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]]> By: Ronzoni Rigatoni http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88877 Ronzoni Rigatoni Wed, 03 May 2006 23:18:39 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88877 <p>Ah, good. The end of the thread. I don’t need to ask anyone to disregard these musings. BUT, why Joe “small potatoes” Wilson? Why not destroy Plame herself in order to frustrate CIA efforts at getting the truth re Iran’s nuclear program? How you gonna start a nudder war if your spies tell you there are no grounds for it? Well, first, destroy the spy network (Plame/Brewster-Jennings). Then we can make it up as we go along.</p> <p>Neat, huh?</p> Ah, good. The end of the thread. I don’t need to ask anyone to disregard these musings. BUT, why Joe “small potatoes” Wilson? Why not destroy Plame herself in order to frustrate CIA efforts at getting the truth re Iran’s nuclear program? How you gonna start a nudder war if your spies tell you there are no grounds for it? Well, first, destroy the spy network (Plame/Brewster-Jennings). Then we can make it up as we go along.

Neat, huh?

]]> By: woid http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88807 woid Wed, 03 May 2006 22:05:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88807 <p>I’m wondering about the ink color and pressure… Would they want to look at that as an indication of state of mind? Or, is it to find evidence that some of the notebook entries could have been changed after the fact?</p> I’m wondering about the ink color and pressure… Would they want to look at that as an indication of state of mind? Or, is it to find evidence that some of the notebook entries could have been changed after the fact?

]]> By: Malcolm http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88802 Malcolm Wed, 03 May 2006 21:59:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88802 <p>Superb post, as always. Thank you so much. Is the graphic a Cranach?</p> Superb post, as always. Thank you so much. Is the graphic a Cranach?

]]> By: Rafe http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88770 Rafe Wed, 03 May 2006 21:32:07 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88770 <p>Redd (Christy) You may be one hell of a lawyer and one hell of a writer, but you’re also one hell of a psychotherapist, at least I feel a glimmer of hope about this whole mess when I read your stuff.</p> <p>Thank you!</p> Redd (Christy) You may be one hell of a lawyer and one hell of a writer, but you’re also one hell of a psychotherapist, at least I feel a glimmer of hope about this whole mess when I read your stuff.

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]]> By: StealthBadger.net » Blog Archive » Aaaand “La Judy” gets thrown under the bus. http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88758 StealthBadger.net » Blog Archive » Aaaand “La Judy” gets thrown under the bus. Wed, 03 May 2006 21:23:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88758 <p>[…] Firedoglake has the news. […]</p> […] Firedoglake has the news. […]

]]> By: Arne Langsetmo http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88692 Arne Langsetmo Wed, 03 May 2006 20:22:53 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88692 <p>Libby’s (or his lawyers’) main objective here is not to fish for something that may be exculpatory (Libby knows the truth of what happened, and it’s not very likely that any tidbits will come up that will get him off the hook that wouldn’t also have come to Fitzgerald’s notice).</p> <p>Rather, this is casting out for a lifeline to prevent a trial at all; ask for everything you can think of that might possibly be plausibly coloured as “relevant material” (either to the judge or on appeal), hope someone cries “Bulls***” and refuses you, and then complain that you just <i>can’t</i> defend yourself properly without that material, and ask for a mistrial or dismissal of charges. They have/will use[d] this same tactic in asking for maladministration documents, including secret ones (the classic “grey mail” defence). It’s not the sign of a confident defence lawyer; the tactic may not endear them to the judge, and that wouldn’t help their case a whole lot….</p> <p>Cheers,</p> Libby’s (or his lawyers’) main objective here is not to fish for something that may be exculpatory (Libby knows the truth of what happened, and it’s not very likely that any tidbits will come up that will get him off the hook that wouldn’t also have come to Fitzgerald’s notice).

Rather, this is casting out for a lifeline to prevent a trial at all; ask for everything you can think of that might possibly be plausibly coloured as “relevant material” (either to the judge or on appeal), hope someone cries “Bulls***” and refuses you, and then complain that you just can’t defend yourself properly without that material, and ask for a mistrial or dismissal of charges. They have/will use[d] this same tactic in asking for maladministration documents, including secret ones (the classic “grey mail” defence). It’s not the sign of a confident defence lawyer; the tactic may not endear them to the judge, and that wouldn’t help their case a whole lot….

Cheers,

]]> By: neurophius http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88542 neurophius Wed, 03 May 2006 18:09:50 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88542 <p>Christy:</p> <p>You are doing a great job as usual of keeping us informed and up to date. I have a question. Please excuse me if it is already addressed somewhere in today’s comments, I haven’t had time to read them all. </p> <p>Question: Does the prosecuter have standing to challenge discovery requests by the defendant made to witnesses, and in their possession (as opposed to materials originating with witnesses that the prosecution already has custody of)? I assume Fitz is not going to make any arguments of, say, privacy or privilege or burdensomeness, on Judy’s behalf, but can he argue that production of more and more documents sought from witnesses in Libby’s fishing expedition becomes a burden to the prosecution, as it would need to review any documents so produced, and since they aren’t likely to be relevant anyway,it is a big waste of time? Is the fight over the current round of discovery going to be strictly between Judy Miller and other NYT staff and their attorneys, or will Fitzgerald also be involved in that fight?</p> Christy:

You are doing a great job as usual of keeping us informed and up to date. I have a question. Please excuse me if it is already addressed somewhere in today’s comments, I haven’t had time to read them all.

Question: Does the prosecuter have standing to challenge discovery requests by the defendant made to witnesses, and in their possession (as opposed to materials originating with witnesses that the prosecution already has custody of)? I assume Fitz is not going to make any arguments of, say, privacy or privilege or burdensomeness, on Judy’s behalf, but can he argue that production of more and more documents sought from witnesses in Libby’s fishing expedition becomes a burden to the prosecution, as it would need to review any documents so produced, and since they aren’t likely to be relevant anyway,it is a big waste of time? Is the fight over the current round of discovery going to be strictly between Judy Miller and other NYT staff and their attorneys, or will Fitzgerald also be involved in that fight?

]]> By: Jane Hamsher http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88532 Jane Hamsher Wed, 03 May 2006 17:56:15 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/03/the-millers-tale-and-other-legal-wranglings-part-i/#comment-88532 <p>Jeff — I think Judy probably signed on to a version of this, but was probably expecting something like “even Pulitzer-prize winning jounalist Judith Miller could not recall the details. How could Mr. Libby be expected to?” </p> <p>Her ego is much too big to take the pounding they obviously have in store for her. It think Christy is right. I’m sure somebody’s doing some hand holding, maybe a big Regnery book deal in the offing (though that’s considered a bit declasse by the Hamton’s crowd) but I think the faulty weld spots are starting to show.</p> Jeff — I think Judy probably signed on to a version of this, but was probably expecting something like “even Pulitzer-prize winning jounalist Judith Miller could not recall the details. How could Mr. Libby be expected to?”

Her ego is much too big to take the pounding they obviously have in store for her. It think Christy is right. I’m sure somebody’s doing some hand holding, maybe a big Regnery book deal in the offing (though that’s considered a bit declasse by the Hamton’s crowd) but I think the faulty weld spots are starting to show.

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