
Well, well, well. Team Libby has opened up a whole new front in the war on incarceration, and I have to say their response brief is going to engender some serious wrangling over the next few weeks. The media motions hearing on May 16th is gonna be a doozy.
And the intrigue we’ve all been wondering about — the quaking aspens, the St. Regis tete a tete, the Valerie Flame Victoria Plame Valerie Wilson bits and pieces — maybe, just maybe, we’ll get an answer or two out of this.
But if I were Scooter, I’d be worried about Judy Miller. Nothing spells trouble like a diva scorned. (Especially a diva who is familiar with how the news biz works and knows how to get the word out.) And the way this brief reads, she’s not only yesterday’s pal, but she’s been used, abused and flushed like ratty old TP from the bottom of Scooter’s wingtip. Yowch. And after all that obfuscation and parting of the waters that she gave to Scooter, this is the thanks she gets? Methinks her Judyship is not going quietly into that dark night.
Central to the entire Team Libby argument is a series of cases that interpret the requirements for "discovery" and "subpoenas" under Rule 17 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, regarding subpoenas for evidentiary matters (things like documents, notebooks, diaries, bar napkins, that sort of thing).
Discovery is the process by which one side is able to view and test the evidence to be offered — either by the opposing side in litigation, or by witnesses who are to be called by one or the other.
A subpoena is simply a formal document, filed with the court, which demands the production of some tangible object — a document, a knife, etc. The subpoena is then formally delivered to the person who holds that object to be produced — an example would be a subpoena to Judy Miller for her to produce her reporter’s notebook with the "Valerie Flame" reference in it.
A "motion to quash" is a motion filed on behalf of the custodian of that requested evidence, asking the court to put a stop to the subpoena so that the object requested does not have to be produced to the person who sent the subpoena.
Now that we have the legal definitions out of the way, we can get to the meat of the Team Libby Response. (Tom Maguire is hosting the PDFs of the filing at JustOneMinute, in case you want to read the originals.)
On p. 1, Team Libby begins with a little jab at Fitz — saying that they have had to subpoena all this material because Fitz and his team had not already done so, trying to intimate in this perhaps that the investigation was less than thorough. This is a typical haggle between the prosecutor and the defendant, and not remotely something new in a criminal trial motions context, but it’s amusing to see that the same old back and forth is still going on, no matter how big the case.
Team Libby goes on to detail from whom they have subpoenaed material, including Judy Miller, the NYTimes, Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Matt Cooper and Time Magazine. In fn.1, p. 2, they go on to say that they’ve also subpoenaed information from Tim Russert (who says he has none to give in document form); ditto that for CNN; and Bob Woodward, who has already provided the memorandum of his interview with Scooter (of 6/27/03). Then there is this curious last sentence wherein Team Libby says that Scooter chose not to require that the WaPo produce documents it furnished to Fitz, but which the judge has already ruled that they contain information to which the defense is not entitled — but Team Libby phrases it as "do not have to be disclosed to the defense." This is, of course, regarding Woodward’s other source (who presumably may be or is Novak’s source as well, depending on who you read) — so I suppose Team Libby will have to move on to Plan C to publicly expose whoever this person is. (And let the rampant speculation continue.)
There is some substantial presentation of the Team Libby version of standards for discovery via subpoena and, for the most part, they manage to make the argument in a straight-forward (albeit somewhat repetitive) fashion. They rely heavily on the US v. Nixon case. (You can read more about it here.) And they concentrate heavily on its three-prong test: relevance, admissibility and specificity — taking its cues from an older case (in Iozia).
As both parties agree, cases decided in the wake of Bowman have generally followed Judge Weinfeld’s formulation in United States v. Iozia, 13 F. R. D. 335, 338 (SDNY 1952), as to the required showing. Under this test, in order to require production prior to trial, the moving party must show: (1) that the documents are evidentiary 12 and relevant; (2) that they are not otherwise procurable reasonably in advance of trial by exercise of due diligence; (3) that the party cannot properly prepare for trial without such production and inspection in advance of trial and that the failure to obtain such inspection may tend unreasonably to delay the trial; and (4) that the application is made in good faith and is not intended as a general "fishing expedition." (Nixon at 699.)
The problem with their reliance on Nixon, as I see it, is that the opinion gives the full discretion for whether or not discovery for impeachment purposes prior to trial is warranted to the presiding judge — who makes this determination based on the individual facts and circumstances of the case at bar. In the Nixon case, you had scratchy tape recordings that would have had to be transcribed by a typist into readable form for discovery purposes. In Scooter’s case, they are using his crappy penmanship (or at least their claim that it is) and the time it is taking him to decipher his own notes as a reason for a lengthy discovery period for all of these other documents — documents which might generally not be admissible until trial, to be given to the defendant only when there is a need for impeachment purposes depending on the testimony of a particular witness.
In other words, it’s not a sure win for Team Libby on this argument — they may get some of what they want, but I’d bet not all of it — and a lot of this is going to have to be reviewed by the judge "in camera" (by himself prior to Team Libby or Fitz seeing it) before a determination is made as to whether or not it is relevant, admissible and specific.
In pp. 7-9, Team Libby argues that Scooter didn’t much care what Joseph Wilson’s wife did for a living. (Never mind that dossier he wanted worked up on Amb. Wilson or the carefully prepared notebook of oppo that Libby reportedly carried around with him or anything). There is a curious legalism that I wanted to point out from p. 7:
Documents showing that Mr. Libby and other officials talked to reporters about Mr. Wilson during this time but never mentioned his wife will help show that there was no such campaign — or that if there was, Mr. Libby had nothing to do with it.
It is just this sort of sentence that makes non-lawyers roll their eyes when they read legal briefs, but this is the sort of thing you pay for when you hire a lawyer — they are covering every possible contingency, both for the sake of argument and for appeal purposes, should Libby be convicted. You have to document everything — either in writing or on the record in court, so that there is a paper trail of you making each and every argument. It makes for a smarmy read, but it is good lawyering, and I wanted to point that out for everyone in case someone had a question about this sort of thing. (Plus, I like to think of that particular sentence as a "Hello, Karl.")
On p. 10, we get to the subpoena issued to Judy Miller. And that’s where the sparks begin to fly.
Team Libby begins with a summary of the indictment portions wherein Judy figures substantially. By p. 11, we’ve moved on to a catalogue of her every nuanced equivocation. (This isn’t exactly a romantic Wyoming rodeo chance meeting any longer, is it Judy?)
On p. 12, they argue that Judy Miller’s stated recollections "[are] by no means sufficiently reliable to prove that the conversations [between her and Libby] occurred as the government alleges." So poor Scooter has been forced to ask for every scrap of paper Judy Miller ever touched for an extended period of time, her calendars and anything else that might contain any piece of information about her life. You’ll pardon me if I think this might be considered rather a bit too broad by the court for witness impeachment purposes — especially since this isn’t some tiptoe through the gossamer windmills and mattress outlets of the Miller Files, to give Scooter carte blanche to sift through the extended entries in her Franklin Planner for a convenient scapegoat.
My prediction is that the judge will now have to sift through all of this dross himself, and make a determination as to what is and is not relevent to the case at bar. And won’t that be a rip-roaring, bodice-ripping good time for Judge Walton and his clerks. (Sarcasm intended with every last letter.)
An amusing moment in fn. 2, p. 12, where Scooter signals: Further diva bullshit will no longer be tolerated, Jude.
Ms. Miller’s motion states that at this time she has not located any documents responsive to Mr. Libby’s other subpoena requests, but that she has not yet completed her search….Mr. Libby assumes that Ms. Miller will complete her search as expeditiously as possible (and not later than May 16) and bring to his or the Court’s attention any additional responsive documents she may find.
Yowch. The bloom is off the rose, it’s withered on the vine and been stomped on a few times by elephants.
On pp. 13-15, we get to the heart of the arguments on the Miller materials: Team Libby really is hoping to find a convenient scapegoat in her notes or in the notes of some other NYTimes compadre. First, they bring up the fact that Miller had the Wilson’s name and phone number in her reporter’s notebook — without, of course, mentioning that Kristof works for the Times as well, and that Judy would have, perhaps, spoken with him to pump him for imformation prior to meeting with Scooter at the St. Regis? (Oh, but that wouldn’t serve their purposes, now would it? Can’t expect an admission against interest at these hourly rates, now can you?)
We also learn that Team Libby may have some forensic examination of Judy’s notebooks in mind — "e.g. the color of the ink and the weight of the markings" — in order to determine what may have been going through Judy’s mind at the time of her writing. Well, gee, that sounds fun. It’s scientifically questionable unless Judy’s using highlighters and five colors of ink in one pen sorts of pens like a junior high school girl in advanced placement home management, and this move is going to raise all sorts of expert witness hell, but hey, judge, let’s have some CSI:DC just for kicks. (Legally, I can see their point, but I would assume that Fitzgerald’s team of investigators has already looked things over and done some initial assessment — and although we wouldn’t be privy to any forensic analysis from our vantage point, it pays to be cautious. But still, really, the point the finger anywhere but Scooter game is so transparent, isn’t it?)
Team Libby does make a good point regarding the parentheticals (pp. 13-14) — whether they could represent Judy’s own thoughts as opposed to questions raised by Scooter in their conversation. But the way to determine this would be to ask Judy — not by holding her pages up to the light to divine their meaning in the cosmos. (Depositions — I hear they are all the rage in legal circles this summer.)
Here’s the thing about requesting everything Judy has in every one of her notebooks. (And I can’t believe I’m going to write anything supportive on Judy Miller’s behalf given her track record in this case, but here goes…) Team Libby is not entitled to Judy’s dry cleaning "to do" list, or her contacts with people on completely unrelated stories, or even her doodles. (Although I’m guessing she’s regretting that "SL + JM, BFF xoxo pinkie swear" one, even if her surrounding aspen trees doodle is a bit Monet-esque.) Team Libby is entitled to discovery of evidence that is material to the preparation of his defense — and nothing else. The judge is going to have to decide where the line between relevant and not is — but I’m betting that Judy’s attorney Bennett has vetted this six ways to Sunday before making any representation to Judge Walton as to relevance.
The last paragraph in the Judy, Judy, Judy section sums up Team Libby’s current strategy toward her: it’s the blame Judy the Blabbermouth strategy. If you can’t pin it on another convenient scapegoat, Judy and her tattered shreds of credibility will have to do.
As a prosecutor, one of the things you have to come to terms with early on in your career is this: you don’t find swans swimming in sewers. (OMG, she needs more coffee, you are thinking…but be patient, it will all make sense, grasshopper.) Criminals do not hang out with nuns or saints or pristine pillars of the community, by and large — and when you are preparing a case for trial, whether you are prosecuting or defending a criminal, you learn early on to come to terms with the fact that almost every person you will deal with as witnesses (outside your own investigators…and sometimes including them) will be someone you’d rather not have to call to the witness stand because they all bring a buttload of baggage. In this case, that person just may be Judy Miller for Pat Fitzgerald — but you take the case as it comes to you, warts and all — and sometimes that means you have to work with and around a particularly difficult duckling.
Thankfully for Fitz, Judy is not the sole witness in the case. There is a lot more to this response — and I’ll cover it in the next part.
In case you missed it yesterday, MSNBC’s David Shuster did a follow-up to his damage report on Valerie Wilson’s outing, it’s impact on our intelligence network in Iran and the Administration’s role in all of this mess. Crooks and Liars has the video of this, and it’s worth a watch.
(I found this medieval little picture via Dacha Dude, and thought it would fit the potential mood of La Diva Judy after reading this Response Brief.)
Related posts:
- The Bush Fairy Tale on the Libby Pardon
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible
- A Tale of Two Nominees: Why Civil Liberties “Extremists” are Disappointed in Obama
- Cheney’s Lawyer Already Leaked the Content of Cheney’s “Privileged” Interview
- SCOTUS Denies Valerie Plame Wilson Her Day in Court





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Fitz!
As ususal-great graphics!!!!!!!
yeah, cool pic, and of course impeccable analysis….christy, you always so rock in the morning! many, many thanks from this ever-lurking plame junkie!!
SL + JM, BFF xoxo pinkie swear
HA HA HA !!!!
makes me feel like i’ll be rooting for judy…..
crikey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
double crikey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
neeeeeeeeh-vuh wood ah thunk it. (!)
If Judy was willing to go to jail to protect Scooter why shouldn’t Scooter go to jail to protect her?
Wonderful stuff as usual. ‘Advanced Placement home management’ will be filed in my dossier of epithets. You are certainly right about the sewer. My wife’s first case was assisting the defense of a murderer (a roofing contract dispute), who had the misfortune of doing away with his victime while said victim’s answering machine was running, allowing victim to identify his killer while registering the sound of the shot. The number of people who testified that they had been approached by the defendant to do that killing for him (but had refused for one reason or another, none of them ethical) was truly eye-opening. It’s another world out there.
The Killer tried the Rove defense ‘I might have been there, as the evidence suggests that I was there but I don’t remember.’ (Reads funnier in the original French).
Will the Scorned Woman tell what Bolten told her while she was doing penitential time?
I didn’t do it……
I disagree. I think Team Libby’s use of Miller is just what she invited with the way she couched her testimony in extreme uncertainty. I don’t think they are particularly scapegoating her; she deliberately made her testimony, and her public statements, be as unreliable as possible, and now Team Libby is simply capitalizing on that opportunity.
And they’re a lot meaner about Matt Cooper and Time anyway. So there’s no sense in which they’re singling out Miller just because she comes first in the filing.
It is true, as emptywheel pointed out yesterday, that Libby’s defense is rather dishonest and evasive about the role that Miller’s testimony actually plays in the charged offenses, which doesn’t necessarily bode that well for them. But that’s their job, if it’s called for, I suppose.
There is so much more in the brief. I tried to make this a concise, single post — but there was just too much detail to go over. And I figured you guys wouldn’t mind a two-parter. *g* I hope this is an eye-opener for Judy that her “friends” weren’t really looking at her as a pal for life, but as a useful tool that is no longer of use, other than as a scapegoat. (Or, perhaps, that has been the plan all along…one has to wonder.)
Jeff — I’m getting into the Judy gets what she deserves portion of the argument in Part II — the final portion of the brief really plays that up. Her vague memory idiocy is going to come back to bite her — and she should have known that it would.
I, too, thought that Libby’s lawyers should beware their “trash Judy” plan. After all, she single-handedly kept him away from the most serious charge on the table–knowingly outing a covert agent. Why would they want to piss her off?
Yet, I don’t really think they have much to worry about. Judy testified twice and was presumably asked every relevant question by Fitz and his staff. If she were to turn on Scooter at this late date, wouldn’t she also have to admit to perjuring herself? I don’t see that happening. In the meantime, I will enjoy seeing Miller get trashed by the “friend” she loyally helped out.
Jeff-
Do you think Judy played dumb on purpose as part of the overall plan of the defense, knowing it would ultimately play against her in the long run?
You don’t find swans swimming in sewers should be the phrase that every democrat talking head should use on teevee. Not just for this case, but the whole bush cabal.
Jim E-
No, she just has to say that she disrecollects.
I mean misrecollects
Minor typo:
should be “gossamer” not “gossimer”
Judyship- so funny!
OFF TOPIC but we need to support Juan Cole against the right wing smear machine. Send a letter to the editor’s of Slate complaining about snitchen’s sleazy antics.
Thanks Burlington — it’s fixed.
If Judy thought that people who would leak the name of a covert agent as a political move would give her a pass, then she deserves what she gets.
christy: you are a talented writer, and your insights are so helpful for the lay person to understand these filings.
FWIW: I think the pic is renaissance rather than medieval.
Hysterical writing — it helps me to swallow down the bile rising up from my stomach when I go to C&L and watch news on Hardball that was available from October 2003 and realizing it is only starting to get the exposure it deserves — after the 2004 election. It never ceases to amaze me how much the MSM has influenced and set the political course of the country by their selective reporting and stenography.
Ugh! Wait, let me go back and read Christy for the laughs so I can feel better.
Knight Ridder reported (19 October 2003):
Compounding the damage, the front company, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, the name of which has been reported previously, apparently also was used by other CIA officers whose work now could be at risk, according to Vince Cannistraro, former CIA chief of counterterrorism operations and analysis. Now, Plame’s career as a covert operations officer in the CIA’s Directorate of Operations is over. Those she dealt with — on business or not — may be in danger. The directorate is conducting an extensive damage assessment. And Plame’s exposure may make it harder for American spies to persuade foreigners to share important secrets with them, U.S. intelligence officials said.
Redd:
If you haven’t been offered a tenured chair at Harvard Law School, or Yale or Princeton there is no justice in this world (Yeah, I know …).
For when the trial actually begins, or at some other appropriate moment, if Dame Judith succeeds in delivering the goods that knock the props out from under Scooterbutt, I suggest some alteration (or even the original image) of Gentileschi’s “Judith and Holophernes” for the graphic to your account.
This is brilliant writing and thorough, fine thinking, Christy! If we have to writhe through all this dreck, it is at least made entertaining by the manner in which you analyze it. (I thought to my self, thank goodness, I am not one of the participants in this legal hell. Schemers and manipulators get just what they deserve…anxiety about conviction and sleepless nights, I’ll bet.)
thanks for staying up late
and the picture
oh the picture
It shouldn’t be forgotten that Judy wasn’t just protecting Scotter when she couched her public statements about her testimony in fuzzy terms — she was trying to protect her already fading status as First Amendment heroine. But, yeah, Scooter, last time she’ll do you any favors.
Libby’s lawyers are hoping that they’ll find evidence in her notes that someone other than Scooter told her about Plame. But they’re not going to find evidence that shows that Libby DIDN’T talk to her about Plame. And even if they do, how does it exculpate Libby from the charges actually made against him: lying about the fact that he talked about Plame with Miller.
Is Scooter married, how is his marriage?
Oops, typo in my previous post. Delete the phrase “even if they do”.
Doesn’t Team Libby just have to enter Judy’s WMD NYT articles into evidence to impeach her credibility?
Can someone interview the St. Regis staff to break open the “breakfast in bed” angle?
We need some sex in the story to get appropriate media coverage on this.
Wouldn’t Greta van Rhinoplasty provide us with some super legal analysis? Maybe Geraldo could get in a few good licks.
Thanks for once again being a Virgil in our 8 year slog through hell.
I think Team Libby is going to wind up getting access to JudyJudyJudy’s grocery list if they ask for it. She went to jail for Libby, then tried to hedge with Fitz and bought herself a second grand jury appearance. You don’t get much more evasive than that. Granted, she was doing it all to protect Libby, but it looks BAD, and if Team Libby wants to use it against her, they’ve certainly got a winning argument. Now we can all kick back and see if JudyJudyJudy retaliates. I’m going to guess that she does. Hell hath no fury like a Woman of Mass Destruction scorned.
P.S. to egregious: Did you try to e-mail me? If so, please resend. I think my spam filter zapped it.
Could Fitz be meeting with the GJ today? Isn’t it Wed. and Friday? What are the times? Sightings?
Thanks for doing all of the heavy lifting by reading and analyzing the briefs.
And when we get to part 2, make sure we bring up the fact that the filing says that Ari and Cathie Martin could be leakers, too. I suspect that will be seeing something from an “anonymous source close to” either Ari or Cathie Martin (or both) in the next few days.
Any Fitz sightings at the courthouse yet?
Hopefully, Miller will be more like the gum wad stuck to Scooter’s wingtip shoe.
Christy Hardin Smith -
If Team Libby had a single functioning synapse, they’d offer you an eight figure retainer, replete with a comprehensive nondisclosure agreement, of course.
Excellent vetting, as usual.
#7
Maybe he’s too busy watching the aspens turn…
Jane S.,
Haven’t heard anything yet, but Jason Leopold wrote that the GJ is supposed to meet today. If they DO meet today, it might give some credibility (maybe) to his contention that the indictment is already written up and ready for a vote.
Mmm, nothing like the delectable aroma of fitzy goodness in the morning – served up in style by La Redd – gonna wait till a little later so I can savor this post properly!
Sharkbabe -
Yes, indeed. First place I check in with anymore.
Methinks there will not be any more pillow talk between Scooter and Judy, nor any more “Aspens turning” love notes in the future.
Seriously though, Judy must be really pi$$*#
that this is happening after she spent so much time in jail protecting Scooter, herself, oh, and of course lets not forget the First Amendment.
Frank Probst, Yes just something to share about my medical work overseas. Thought as a physician you would be interested. Will resend.
Christy,
Forgot to add the most important part.
Thank you for your analysis and excellent writing. You make it so easy to follow the story for a non-lawyer.
So, is Team Libby attempting to make the case that Valerie Wilson was to them only the nexus for how Joe Wilson was picked for the Niger mission?
That seems hard to believe on so many levels, it’s hard to know where to begin.
When Joe Wilson’s op-ed piece was published, he explained in it how he came to be sent to Niger. He also detailed his diplomatic assignment history, which supported the logic of him being tasked to look into the yellowcake procurement questions. Is it possible that some journalist would have tried to track back the assignment to the source, and found Valerie anyway? Hard to know, but it seems reasonable to think that given the CIA’s belief that her employment was classified, they would not likely have revealed that information. In fact, when Bob Novak, armed with the information, spoke to someone at the CIA, he was cautioned not to make her name public. Someone whose CIA employment is common knowledge would not have the CIA warning off reporters.
If Valerie Wilson was an incidental connection, you’d think they would have gone out of their way to keep her out of the story, rather than putting her in the middle of it. There’s just no logical reason to bring her into it unless they figured that casting this as “wifey getting her has-been husband a gig†would emasculate and humiliate him and give the right-wing media some red meat for their attacks and smears. Which, it turns out, was exactly what the usual suspects did – and are still doing – with this information.
The argument being bandied about since David Shuster’s reports have brought Valerie’s work on Iranian nuclear proliferation into the mainstream, is that it works to prove the innocence of the members of the administration who are under indictment or suspicion, because they could not possibly have been so stupid, or so focused on destroying someone who dared to question their use of intelligence, that they would have compromised the work of the CIA.
Well, I think that’s exactly what they did, and in the characteristic hubris of those in power, believed they would get away with it. I think one of the reasons Team Libby, as well as the 24K Gold Team, are dancing as fast as they can, is that they know what will happen if it can be proved that they did know, and stuck with the plan anyway.
I read it the other way. I think Miller and Libby are still a pair! That “aspen” thing tickled her memory, and now it is both of them against the blackguard Fitz. If Libby loses she looks worse for the association. We all rightly surmise that the commingling of the aspen roots was a metaphor for stirring past associations, and emotions. No, its “us” against the Fitz colored world. Or am I being too sentimental over this treasonous act?
Luckily Judy’s current husband seems to be fairly wealthy to be able to afford all this legal scuffling. The other media characters all seem to be backed up by ‘deep pockets’…
This shit ain’t cheap !
litigatormom: May 3rd, 2006 at 6:38 am
“Libby’s lawyers are hoping that they’ll find evidence in her notes that someone other than Scooter told her about Plame. But they’re not going to find evidence that shows that Libby DIDN’T talk to her about Plame. And even if they do, how does it exculpate Libby from the charges actually made against him: lying about the fact that he talked about Plame with Miller.”
I had the same question. How does Libby’s team justify requests for other Judy material? Isn’t this just a smokescreen? Are they going to argue that Judy talked to someone other than Libby on the dates in question?
ps. Thanks for the analysis Redd. For those of us who are not practicing lawyers, your insights are priceless and make sense of legal filings that appear senseless on the surface.
OMG! Chirsty, not only do we get great analysis from you, but your level of snark is top noch! “It’s scientifically questionable unless Judy’s using highlighters and five colors of ink in one pen sorts of pens like a junior high school girl in advanced placement home management,”
Just too tasty!
Everything you always wanted to know about grand juries, but were afraid to ask:
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
Love the graphic! Ahhhh, the tales of Shakespeare, the truths they hold.
Two quick thoughts–I’m behind on my FDL reading. Does the timeline include Rove’s infamous comment about Joe Wilson’s wife being “fair game”? The sheer arrogant premeditativeness of betraying an agent working on the Iran nuclear program makes my blood boil. Hope it does Fitz’s as well.
And, OT, just heard a videoclip of Rex Tillerson, the Exxon CEO, patiently explaining for we benighted ignorant peasants that “we’re in the business to make money.” Hmmmm, sez I, so was Enron, so are drug dealers and bank robbers.
On to catch-up reading now.
Rumor has it that Rove received his target letter today.
Can anyone confirm?
p.s. Okay, Chaucer. It’s been a long time since English lit…..
What a great distillation for us! Thank you Christy. Can I just say I especially love this:
‘but be patient, it will all make sense, grasshopper.’
Invoking such good memories of a great television series… and you are a true Master here.
The prosecutor’s favorite – and most effective – tool: the WEDGE. After this filing, if not already in use, Fitz will drive that wedge DEEP into the divide between Judy and Scooter:
“Listen Sweetheart – it’s either YOU or HIM. Who’s it gonna be? Go home and think about it. And you might wanna re-read his latest filing, particularly those parts where he talks about YOU. Call me with any questions you might have. Have a nice day!”
Buh-bye.
Holden,
Rumors don’t mean anything.
way OT– but for all the Moms around here:
>>>>>
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Just in time for Mother’s Day, an informal study conducted by Web site Salary.com shows that stay-at-home moms would earn an average of $131,471 annually, including overtime, if they received a paycheck.
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>>>>>
Course what Moms and Dads really do is priceless, imho and in my lucky life…
Could all this discovery just be a stall tactic to drag thing past the November elections? Post elections GWB can issue pardons without concerns about the political fallout.
#51: still haven’t taken the hint yet. do you know what it’s like to be knee-capped? “we know who you are, and we know where you live”* and we are not amused…….
* 50 points for the person who can name the movie this bit comes from
Harry #29: Scooterbutt is married and has children.
Christy – Thanks for the highly informative and entertaining analysis.
I wonder – is this a taste of the future? If Libby, under his legal sword of Damocles, is escorting Judy under the bus, how will he behave toward Rove and Cheney as his legal troubles worsen? “Down south the indictees are turning… They turn in clusters. Come back to court Judy…”
Could it be that Libby was Judy Miller’s source for the advance warning before 9/11?
In July of 2001 Judy Miller had top secret intelligence that a major terrorist attack was imminent. Who in the White House also knew?
See this link: http://www.cjr.org/issues/2005/5/judycode.asp
In July of 2001, Steve Engelberg, then an editor at The New York Times, looked up to see Judy Miller standing at his desk. As Engelberg recalls, Miller had just learned from a source about an intercepted communication between two Al Qaeda members who were discussing how disappointed they were that the United States had never attempted to retaliate for the bombing of the USS Cole. Not to worry, one of them said, soon they were going to do something so big that the U.S. would have to retaliate.
HARD COPY – Former tubes stuffer turn’s scat submissive in New York hotel shocker.
Long outside the purview of law enforcement the Putzliar prize winning inbedded gonzo journalist, the famous skanky ho, Judith Miller herself was found today turning kinky sex tricks by an undercover police sting operation.
With Dutch courage, french letter’s and a German sense of humor the ‘John’ G Gordon Libby stood to be insulted and he paid for the privilege. To murder my love is crime – but will you still indict…the turd out of time?
Rico Tanner reporting for Hard Copy.
Bush “is the president of the United States,” Hoyer said Tuesday, “and he deserves some respect.”
- Democratic Rep. Steny Hoyer, whining about Colbert’s body slam of Bush.
STFU, moron. Bush deserves an orange jumpsuit, flip-flops, and chains.
Re: Frank’s “aspen” comment above — when I went digging a while back for info on Aspen Institute and its possible unintended or unpublished use as a think tank for neo-con warmongers, I found this little tidbit:
“Sheepherders used aspen trees as message boards. Arizona Daily Sun, Thursday, October 3, 2002.”
I’ve scouted everywhere looking for the original article, can’t find it even though it had been published in a couple other papers in CO and AZ. I found the date of publication rather interesting…
Prairie Sunshine 52,
Actually it is Chaucer! But your point still stands.
Thanks so much Christy – I would miss so much of my favorite aspect (machinations) if not for your analysis
Thanks again for all the great writing on Plame! I understand the info, timelines, etc. within that specific frame, but when taken togethr as a whole case it becomes much more cloudye. Are there a few very important questions that if answered would put the puzzle together? What are the biggest unknowns? Thanks.
Grumble. Still no Fitz sightings. Where’d the “Rove got his target letter” rumor come from?
P.S. to egregious: Nice work! Let me know if you ever need a geneticist. :)
OT — hope FDL’rs can help. I need a copy or a back door to Friedman’s NYT op-ed today, need it for a discussion in progress. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. (And no, I don’t think much of Friedman but this op-ed is unfortunately at the root of the discussion.)
OT
thinkprogress – The grand jury
investigating the leak of Valerie Plame’s identity may meet today
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…../#comments
rat bastahd says: “Are there a few very important questions that if answered would put the puzzle together? What are the biggest unknowns?”
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:35 am
Let’s start with this question: who is/are Robert Novak’s unnamed source(s)?
I continue to be mystified by freepers’ posts (elsewhere, not here) that Plame was not covert, which they back up with the “evidence” of her marriage announcement, her mention in “Who’s Who…”, etc. I suppose this point bears repeating again and again: It was not a state secret that Valerie Plame existed, or that she was married to Joseph Wilson, or that she worked for a company called Brewster-Jennings. It WAS a state secret that she worked for the CIA and that Brewster-Jennings was a CIA front company. Why do people have such a hard time understanding this?
Rayne says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:36 am
How soon will it appear on Truthout or Common Dreams?
twolf1 says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:40 am
OT
thinkprogress – The grand jury
investigating the leak of Valerie Plame’s identity may meet today
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…../#comments
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This is from “The Note”, which publishes the “may meet” line all the time. I don’t put much stock in it.
The G/J has a schedule that allows for meeting on Wednesdays and Fridays. But because this is a regular grand jury, any US Attorney may use them. Just because the jury is in, doesn’t mean it’s Fitz. I try to wait for a sighting of Fitz or one of his team before getting all tingly. *g* And thus far today, no one has rung me up to give me a Fitz sighting report.
Stephen Parrish, CPA says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:41 am
rat bastahd says: “Are there a few very important questions that if answered would put the puzzle together? What are the biggest unknowns?â€
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:35 am
Let’s start with this question: who is/are Robert Novak’s unnamed source(s)?
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I’ll add a few:
1. Who are Woodward’s sources?
2. Did they (and Libby and Rove, for that matter) know that Plame was covert? If not, why not?
3. If something is stamped as “Secret”, doesn’t that constitute an “affirmative measure” to protect the information?
4. Were Libby and Rove acting alone, or were they acting at the direction of Dick Cheney?
5. Did Bush know anything?
Frank Probst 75-
Classic Red Herring 101, ‘eh?
Any chance Judy plays poker? I’m just wondering how many scandals and cases she can wrap into.
Fitzgerald and Miller seem positively star crossed *g* between this case, the charities tip off case and Salah. Miller and Libby have not just Plame but NIEs and Aspens to share. I guess it would be just greedy to hope that Judy and Dusty have been hold’em fold’em partners too.
Stephen Parrish (76) — good question; I didn’t think either outlet regularly carried Friedman, would go to them for Krugman, though.
I’d like to know if Fitz and his investigators have a version of the Hadley e-mail with the full header, which has all those wonderful lines showing what server received it when and from where … because I think it’s an awfully convenient (and conveniently timed) piece of evidence.
Frank Probst says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:48 am
What may be needed is a place to store all the questions and answers to facilitate connection of the remaining dots of this fascinating puzzle.
Mary #81
“Any chance Judy plays poker?”
that is a loaded phrase for the Miller’s Tale.
Thanks for the post, but the picture shows the wrong instrument (it was a poker) and the wrong end of Libby.
“SL + JM, BFF xoxo pinkie swear”
Ouch!!! That one goes to the depth of this junior high game!
The thing I remember about junior high, when one party in a tit for tat feels provoked, that person pull out the stops and often will play the nuclear option.
Judy, Judy, Judy. Time to come to Jesus! Tell us about Curveball! Tell us about those nights when Chalibi openned his freedom-fighting heart and let you peer into is soul. This really is part of “all the news that is fit to print.”
If you tell us what really happened, how you were used, we will forgive you. After all, Scooter and Karl are just Dick’s appendages. And no one thinks you were kissing that.
Everyone – time to move to part II of the Miller’s Tale – new thread
Depositions, which are a common means of discovery in civil cases, are unusual in federal criminal cases. Depositions are generally limited to preserving someone’s testimony (i.e., where there is a reasonable likelihood that a person will not be available to testify at trial due to failing health, injury, or some other compelling reason). They also are used to preserve testimony for trial by material witnesses who were detained at the government’s request and released after the deposition was completed. Material witnesses are witnesses whose testimony is material to the government’s case and, for some reason, the government believes that they will not show-up for trial. The deposition serves as an insurance policy for the government since it can have the deposition read into the record, if the witness fails, or refuses to testify.
If the prosecutor has reason to believe that one of its witnesses will not testify at trial, it will apply ex parte to the judge for a material witness warrant. The request must be in writing and it must set forth reasons why the person’s testimony is material and necessary. The request also must explain why the prosecutor believes that the witness will not be available to testify at trial. If the judge agrees, he will issue a material witness warrant, which is basically an arrest warrant. The feds take the witness into custody, contact the defense, and schedule a deposition.
If the government and the defense agree to have depositions, the court likely would go along with the terms of the agreement. I doubt that Fitzgerald will agree to allow his witnesses to be deposed since he derives little, or no benefit if they are deposed.
Mason, I’m with you on the rarity — but Judy has been so all over the map, that I’m wondering if she might prove an exception.
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Duktig — are you have a posting problem or something? What’s with the “test” posts?
Jeff — I think Judy probably signed on to a version of this, but was probably expecting something like “even Pulitzer-prize winning jounalist Judith Miller could not recall the details. How could Mr. Libby be expected to?”
Her ego is much too big to take the pounding they obviously have in store for her. It think Christy is right. I’m sure somebody’s doing some hand holding, maybe a big Regnery book deal in the offing (though that’s considered a bit declasse by the Hamton’s crowd) but I think the faulty weld spots are starting to show.
Christy:
You are doing a great job as usual of keeping us informed and up to date. I have a question. Please excuse me if it is already addressed somewhere in today’s comments, I haven’t had time to read them all.
Question: Does the prosecuter have standing to challenge discovery requests by the defendant made to witnesses, and in their possession (as opposed to materials originating with witnesses that the prosecution already has custody of)? I assume Fitz is not going to make any arguments of, say, privacy or privilege or burdensomeness, on Judy’s behalf, but can he argue that production of more and more documents sought from witnesses in Libby’s fishing expedition becomes a burden to the prosecution, as it would need to review any documents so produced, and since they aren’t likely to be relevant anyway,it is a big waste of time? Is the fight over the current round of discovery going to be strictly between Judy Miller and other NYT staff and their attorneys, or will Fitzgerald also be involved in that fight?
Libby’s (or his lawyers’) main objective here is not to fish for something that may be exculpatory (Libby knows the truth of what happened, and it’s not very likely that any tidbits will come up that will get him off the hook that wouldn’t also have come to Fitzgerald’s notice).
Rather, this is casting out for a lifeline to prevent a trial at all; ask for everything you can think of that might possibly be plausibly coloured as “relevant material” (either to the judge or on appeal), hope someone cries “Bulls***” and refuses you, and then complain that you just can’t defend yourself properly without that material, and ask for a mistrial or dismissal of charges. They have/will use[d] this same tactic in asking for maladministration documents, including secret ones (the classic “grey mail” defence). It’s not the sign of a confident defence lawyer; the tactic may not endear them to the judge, and that wouldn’t help their case a whole lot….
Cheers,
Redd (Christy) You may be one hell of a lawyer and one hell of a writer, but you’re also one hell of a psychotherapist, at least I feel a glimmer of hope about this whole mess when I read your stuff.
Thank you!
Superb post, as always. Thank you so much. Is the graphic a Cranach?
I’m wondering about the ink color and pressure… Would they want to look at that as an indication of state of mind? Or, is it to find evidence that some of the notebook entries could have been changed after the fact?
Ah, good. The end of the thread. I don’t need to ask anyone to disregard these musings. BUT, why Joe “small potatoes” Wilson? Why not destroy Plame herself in order to frustrate CIA efforts at getting the truth re Iran’s nuclear program? How you gonna start a nudder war if your spies tell you there are no grounds for it? Well, first, destroy the spy network (Plame/Brewster-Jennings). Then we can make it up as we go along.
Neat, huh?
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