Christy and I are both going over the new Libby filing, and it's really quite interesting.
The most popular word in the filing is "misrecollected." (From p. 3, "whether it is Mr. Libby or the reporters who have misstated or misrecollected the facts." From p. 26, "it is Mr. Russert who has misrecollected or misstated the facts.") It's being employed here for the purpose of avoiding an explicit discussion of what they're really talking about, commingling under its broad tent two distinct activities: the act of remembering an event but failing to recall certain details, which would also be known as "forgetting," and the act of remembering things that never actually happened, which would be in effect "fabricating." They seem to be describing the latter while hoping for the more innocent overtones of the former.
Noted Judith Miller scholar Emptywheel has a fine discussion of the Miller section, which pretty much reads like a tale of rabid rats starting to eat each other for breakfast (oh how far we have traveled from buttering each other's toast at the St. Regis, eh Scooter?) We devoted many a post here as to how Scooter was trying to telegraph Miller's testimony to her in the days leading up to her appearance before the grand jury, and how Judy quite likely did her best to comply with those requests. Now Scooter is using the faulty memory she leaned on in order to shield him to destroy her credibility and impugn her abilities as a reporter. How do you like them aspens now, Judy?
The other interesting bit has to do with the Andrea Mitchell section. Her statements have been grossly inconsistent on this topic for a long time, and Tom Maguire has a good discussion of the implications of the new filing. It appears that Mitchell talked to Libby during the time period "relevant to the indictment" and she has notes from the conversation, but Mitchell is maintaining that they "contain[] no information of any kind relating either to Ms. Wilson or to her employment." I'm with Maguire in that I'd love to see Mitchell get dragged into this and explain all the inconsistencies in her statements regarding the case (for a good rundown see David Fiderer's Huffington Post piece of 11/5/2005) before she's allowed to show her face on television again and report on anything, but I'm not sure that what they're asking for has anything to do with what Libby is charged with.
More interesting is the fact that they are trying to assert that Mitchell might have told Tim Russert about Wilson's wife prior to his conversation with Libby. It sounds like they are fishing here, but I think it's high time these questions are put to her both by her network and the journalistic community at large. Since she claims she has never been questioned in the matter, she can't claim (as others have) that Fitzgerald has asked her not to discuss it. She's not some royalty who is beyond accountability, and if the answers she has come up with to date are any indication of her standards, she isn't qualified to be doing the job of a serious news reporter.
More later. Once again, thanks to Tom Maguire for hosting the documents.
Update: Crooks & Liars has relevant Mitchell videos here and here.
Update II: For the record -- I don't think Mitchell knows shit, I think she was probably just talking big in a way that made herself seem important. But NBC's total failure to addresss the situation, and her continued stumblings when she's been asked about it, are going to make her one hell of a scape goat. She looks like an idiot, she's obviously been extremely inconsistent in all her conflicting statements, and Team Libby will no doubt use that to imply she isn't telling the truth about things which serve their purposes.
Nicely handled, NBC.
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Fitz!
fitz for the lurkers!
Fitztastic!
Fitzaroonietooniescrumptious.
Colbertz!
Fitz forever!
ooh, I love the picture!
c’mon Missus Greenspan– spill the beans and clear your conscience… then you can live out your very rich retirement in some semblance of peace.
Love the picture, Jane!
F for Fitzilla!
Ahh, yes…I misbelieve the misinformation being mispoken in order to misconstrue the misbehavior of these mis..erable miscreants.
more observations here:
www.thoughttheater.com
http://thinkprogress.org/
Link to the story about Clusterfuck singing the national anthem in spanish and having it sung at his first inaugral. Priceless!
First the Bush government relies on the silent conspiracy of journalists to cover up treasonous acts. When that fails the Bush government decides to scapegoat the journalists. These aspens aren’t turning in clusters, they’re turning on each other.
Can someone explain why the hell our journamalism elite act as such sycophants to this rogue, incompetent government?
If you were to poll an average cross-section of Americans (say, those that might be on a grand jury), I’ll bet the term “misrecollected” sounds a lot like “lied.”
Imagine hearing it in conversation: “Oh, I’m sorry—I must have misrecollected that.” What if your child said it? “I misrecollected when I said I didn’t eat all the ice cream.”
You would immediately hoot. So will the grand jury.
“Misrecollected”
Anybody see the Tom Clancy-based film Clear and Present Danger where the Ritter says something to the effect: “Remember that phrase, Jack: ‘I have no recollection, Senator.’”
I think Mitchell should tell what she knows too - but I have to say I would take Tom Maguire’s analysis with a huge grain of salt. He spins absolutely everything for Libby and Rove, and some of his commentators are either leaking kool-aid or clearly nuts. One of them, Clarice, has accused Fitz of prosecutorial misconduct because he put the Blind Shiek in jail for the first World Trade Center bombings. Apparently the first world trade center bombings were an act of war by Iraq - not a terrorist act by Al Queda.
Even if Rove and Libby confessed - those guys wouldn’t believe it.
Exclusive: Top CIA Official Under Investigation
March 3, 2006 — - A stunning investigation of bribery and corruption in Congress has spread to the CIA, ABC News has learned.
The CIA inspector general has opened an investigation into the spy agency’s executive director, Kyle “Dusty” Foggo, and his connections to two defense contractors accused of bribing a member of Congress and Pentagon officials.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=1684086
Wolfie’s gonna cover Joementum and some new poll nos. in a minute…
Coz -
Uh oh… did you hear that? I just heard Porter Goss pee in his pants.
wondering when someone would mention Tom Clancy. remember the “get out of jail free” letter Ritter pulled from the wall safe? bet KKKarl has one. wonder why Scooter doesnt.
synonyms for misrecollected include: balloon, blow lines, blow up, clean forget, disremember, fluff, go blotto, kiss off, laugh away, laugh off, obliterate, punt, unknow, unlearn…
“whether it is Mr. Libby or the reporters who have misstated or kissed off the facts.”
much clearer now!
I love that: “misrocollected.” I’ll have to rmember that next time I lie my ass off.
Oh, wait, I don’t do that, unless I’m responding to the question, “Do I look fat in this?”
Cozumel @ 16
That’s from March. Is there any more to this story?
it’s hopeless. I have 15 threads of FDL archived. will never get to them! arrrggghhh. must. find. time. to. read.
Pacha -
So they look fat in it?
“which pretty much reads like a tale of rabid rats starting to eat each other for breakfast (oh how far we have traveled from buttering each other’s toast at the St. Regis, eh Scooter?)”
Hilarious.
1. A new Libby filing? Oh fun…we’ll surely see what the boys are up to now.
2. Query: will Libby seek all sorts of papers about Rover? Didn’t Rover say that he thought he’d heard about Plame from Libby? Will Libby need to start chewing away at Rover?
3. Looks like Libby is trying to say that various MSM folks are either liars, or incompetent. Will MSM push back…or just not report on all this, in an effort to hush up this little spat?
Questions, questions.
Ghostman
I like unknow, unlearn and obliterate too…
But kissing off a federal prosecutor and GJ– priceless.
It’s quite amazing that all the reporters who, in the early part of the investigation, spoke out against Fitz, are somehow involved in the leaking. Hmmm…..
Puppethead 12: Can someone explain why the hell our journamalism elite act as such sycophants to this rogue, incompetent government?
—
1. Make a list of the industries who advertise on the political shows.
2. Make a list of the industries who get
a. tax breaks
b. defense contract bids
c. free reign to merge to the point of monopoly.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
Help Impeach!!!
If you have already signed all the petitions, and have sent a letter to your Reps & the media today…
Then please send the link to your friends and ask them to chip in some time :)
Aren’t Valerie and Joe Wilson just da bomb at the WHC Dinner? The best part of Colbert’s stunning piece: their reactions (and of course, the brush-by past Bush when Colbert left).
oops, didn’t finish. Match the two lists. It should be close to 1:1.
“That’s from March. Is there any more to this story?”
Whoops! I should have checked the date. Huffpo just put it up!?
anyone have a link to the whole new Libby filing yet? more late-night reading.
Combing through Libby’s new motion is certainly fun with Reddhead, Jane and all of you, but are Libby’s lawyers sure they want to tease Fitz again? The last time Fitzgerald responded to a Libby motion there was some really good snark and some news in there.
Be careful Libby lawyers, you might be getting a surprise return package.
So will Judy Miller act as a woman scorned or protect her man to the end? Come on Judy write a new tell-all book.
“Misre Accomplished”
“As executive director of the CIA, Foggo oversees the administration of the giant spy agency. He was appointed to the post by CIA Director Porter Goss after working as a midlevel procurement supervisor, according to former CIA officials.”
…….priceless.
I think they mean “mistruthed”; as in “I mis-truthed when I said I only spoke to Cooper about welfare reform. ” Or maybe they mean “obfuscollected” - as in, “all I can remember at the moment is an obfus-collection of the event.”
Or maybe Libby could say….
No, that wasn’t a lie, that was a reco-fuscation. Or as some refer to it “crypto-collection”.
Of course, when you’re speaking of a Democratic testimony, you would use the word, “mis-nuanced”.
Then there is “inversionation” - a totally unintentional inversion of the truth. Or more precisely, an auto-inversionation. An inversionation suggests plurality, while auto-inversionate suggests an individual act
LOL
Angie 26; I just have to say this:
What did the president unknow and when did he unknow it?
rwcole - Though they got the story right, the photo thinkprogress used was from May of 2001. Trying to find out now if it was another bilingual performance.
looseheadprop at 8 prev thread re federal agents: It’s a Catch 22 for them.they know that one day the pendulumn will swing back in favor of observing the Constitution and they don’t want to be on the wrong sid eof that either.
>>> I left in the cute little typos :)
To me this is one of the strongest arguments for clarifying separation of powers. What do you expect federal employees or armed forces to DO? Which rules are they supposed to follow, the ones written down, or the ones that come from the King?
They have to choose one or the other, reports dribbling out that long-time employees feel really trapped by this dual system.
jwr–Thanks for the update. Hope there’s video somewhere. This is too good!
As a lawyer, I can tell you that people misrecollect things all the time. Often what happens is that they forget some part of a complex string of events, and then unconsciously reconstruct what “must” have happened. This new “memory” takes the place of the forgotten fact, and the person is fully convinced of its accuracy. The new “memory” is often a simplified version of the truth. It may omit a conversation, or replace someone that the person met only once or twice with someone that the person sees every day, or conflate two separate events into one. Then when you show him a document, he is shocked to realize that the “memory” cannot be correct. Often the misremembered material is the sort of thing that would have been routine at the time but becomes important in hindsight. For example, an executive may accurately recall that he was told a fact, but misrecollect which of his subordinates told him the fact.
Ahhh Andrea, keep your chin up babe, the old dude’s gonna kick it soon.
Dru– LOL– Sounds like a rummy-ism, but even more tragic.
>>>>>
“Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don’t know we don’t know”.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/.....56,00.html
I can remember when Andrea Mitchell was a reporter in Pittsburgh. I used to love her all those many years ago.
jane:
i hope this isn’t too much off topic but, i think somebody with good referencing skills and technology should start compiling a list of all of the journalists and talking heads that have been willfully disinforming us about wilson/plame (especially as regards scooter and karl) and preparing a proper yet polite (ahem!) public refutation of their disingenuous bloviating. here are my starters:
1. victoria toensing (and whatever her husband’s name is
2. byron york
3. tucker carlson
4. ken mehlman
5. that redneck banty rooster that keeps popping up on “hardball” (his name eludes me).
it should be ready the day turdblossom gets his inditement. please, somebody take this one and run with it.
never mind. found the two links to the Libby filing. dang. printer jammed. oh well. gotta go fix it if I want to read it.
Jane, the quality and usefulness of your plameological expoundings, compilations, & analysis in recent days has been simply astounding. I really don’t know how you and Redd do all you do, but I don’t thank either of you enough.
oh how far we have traveled from buttering each other’s toast at the St. Regis, eh Scooter?
How do you like them aspens now, Judy?
plus, your trademark rapier deliciousness -
angie 45
Just say Know.
hah. CNN has Joe on now.
Big Letters below “joe-Mentum”
Wolfie goes on to underscore that Joe is ahead by 46 PERCENTAGE POINTS. (he said it twice for impact)
They must be quite scared.
Just read the ABC link about the corruption investigation now involving the CIA.
Dusty Foggo??
Dusty… Foggo.
Wasn’t that a character out of one of the Star Wars prequels or something? Kee-RIST!!
So, Scooter’s trying to destroy Judy’s credibility as a reporter. That’ll be a tough job.
I am thinking I should go on a limb and declare tomorrow Fitz-mas.
Any fitz sightings?
Matt O:
Um, well. . . I never said how I answer that question.
On the advice of counsel, I decline to elaborate.
As a lawyer, I can tell you that people
misrecollectlie about things all the time. Often what happens is that theyforgetlie about some part of a complex string of events, and thenunconsciouslyreconstructlie about what “must†have happened.Boy, do you and I live in different legal universes - mine is way more evil.
Not that people don’t “misrecollect” at times, but, not so much criminal defendents.
More right-wing racism, from Glenn:
Pacha -
Haha, classic. Or, if you were Mark McGwire: “I am not here to talk about the past. I’m here to be positive.”
Judy Kneepads
D’you need? He pads.
Somebody needs to ask Judy Miller and Steve Engelberg what they knew and who was the source.
In July of 2001 Judy Miller had top secret intelligence that a major terrorist attack was imminent. Who in the White House also knew?
See this link: http://www.cjr.org/issues/2005/5/judycode.asp
In July of 2001, Steve Engelberg, then an editor at The New York Times, looked up to see Judy Miller standing at his desk. As Engelberg recalls, Miller had just learned from a source about an intercepted communication between two Al Qaeda members who were discussing how disappointed they were that the United States had never attempted to retaliate for the bombing of the USS Cole. Not to worry, one of them said, soon they were going to do something so big that the U.S. would have to retaliate.
Fahrender @ #47:
According to Josh, Mehlman was booed today!
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....008348.php
egregious 41 - unfortunately, it continues to be used in just the opposite way. Something like, “bc DOJ dangled it out there so wrong for so long, good people relied on our not having an enforceable Constitution - and so now we can’t ever go back, bc that would put those people who relied on us for their torture, illegal wiretaps, killings, kidnapping, etc. would be hung out to dry. Can’t do that, so we can’t really re-institute adherence to law or morality. It would be “misreinstitution.”
*double sigh for double talk*
MISRECOLLECTTED…
the new and improved frame
OT but Digby is on fire today. McCurry, Monicagate, the blogosphere, etc, etc. When all the typing down all the lies of the right-wing facist noise machine began.
Schuster on Hardball reporting on the damage that outing Plame caused
reintelligence on Iraq and Iran.
jane, the problem with ms. moonsurface telling “what she (thinks she) knows” is: how will we know if she (really) is telling what she knows, and how would she know if she’s telling what she knows? is that sentence just a smidgin convoluted? is the pope bavarian?
they’re fishing?
Well sorta. More like floundering.
Former Sen. John Danforth (R-
MIMO) on same-sex marriage ban:jwr–guy now saying that it wasn’t the anthem at the inaugral- it was America the Beautiful in spanish. Shit! He’s got persuasive links.
ouch — shuster just ended a very tough report on rove’s treacherous outing of valerie plame with george bush’s quote:
“for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.”
jinny - Schuster is on Hardball right now with a follow up on yesterday’s Plame bombshell? That’s big. Is he talking about the extent of the damage done to the CIA operation? Thanks!
rgdurst 67 - sounds crappe to me.
Is antidismisrecollecting a word?
Gallup Poll
JAR 32/64
Irag 30/64
LOL….Jose, Can Jooooooo Seeeeeeee, Amigos ???
_____
On Friday, President Bush blasted the idea of singing the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish. But Bush’s highly-scripted 2001 inaugural ceremony actually featured a rendition of the national anthem sung in Spanish by Jon Secada. From Cox News Service, 1/18/01:
The opening ceremony reflected that sentiment. A racially diverse string of famous and once famous performers entertained Bush, soon-to-be First Lady Laura Bush, Vice President-elect Richard B. Cheney and his wife, Lynne, who watched on stage from a special viewing area.
Pop star Jon Secada sang the national anthem in English and Spanish.
Apparently, Secada singing the anthem in Spanish was a regular feature of the Bush campaign. From the 8/3/00 Miami Herald:
The nominee, his wife Laura, erstwhile rival John McCain and his wife Cindy joined Bush on a platform where children sang the national anthem - in “Spanglish,†Secada explained.
This morning, ThinkProgress revealed that, according to Kevin Phillip’s book American Dynasty, Bush himself sang the national anthem in Spanish. Looks like Bush’s conviction that “the national anthem ought to be sung in English†was something he acquired very recently…
[from Thinkprogress, via HuffPo]
Drumheller and Bernsten now with Tweety, the Wilson’s excellent adventure the other nite, Bolton grilled by the committee today, Shuster again pounding away wrt Iran….
A perfect storm is brewing– batton down the hatches.
rgdurst 67
they’re fishing?
Well sorta. More like floundering.
hook(ers), lyin’, and sink her.
Lautenberg calls for investigation into damage of Plame leak
Misrecollected = Made up
Mistated = Lied
Drip, Drip, Drip.
xyz @ 71
Yes, its big - unfortunately had to answer ‘phone, but its a must catch for the later show. CM is questioning Drumheller and Gary Bernstein about it. Now Dana Priest comingup after break.
wow these two CIA guys along with Tweety: the admin lied and twisted and manipulated intelligence to go to war…
Now what, Patsy Roberts? Need some new memory pills or maybe just a super duper shot of testosterone to waken up your cojones?
jinny (#61):
yeah, you would think, given the bush administration’s pro-israel bias, that the AJC would hesitate to respond in that fashion. if him getting booed at that venue didn’t set off alarm bells in mehlman’s little brain i wonder what would.
Just say Ney?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01879.html
Down to 32, hut one hut two GASPRICE HIKE. Go wide Ney - - -
Looks like the statute of limitations on the underlying bribery charge against Ney expired Thursday:
Under the statute of limitations, Thursday was the deadline for bringing bribery charges against Ney focused solely on his actions related to the Florida casino boat transaction.
There was some “viance†(izzat a word?) between the Miama USAtty and DOJ’s public integrity section over who got primary jurisdiction and last month it looks like integrity won (so to speak) and any Ney case will join the other fed Abramoff spinoffs in DC Courts.
But with the bribery charge out of statute – now what? Well, DOJ “signaled†(I hope it was by touching the hat twice –those crotch adjustments just don’t seem specific enough to be relied upon) they are going for conspiracy.
Federal prosecutors signaled this week that they have decided to pursue a wide range of allegations about dealings between Rep. Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio) and lobbyist Jack Abramoff, rather than bringing a narrowly focused bribery case against the congressman.
Despite expiration of the SOL,
Ney’s actions involving the cruise line could still expose him to criminal liability if the government brings a conspiracy case against him, legal analysts said. In that instance, the statute of limitations is pegged to the date of the last alleged criminal act in a chain, not the first.
Apparently, when the word went out that Bob’s case was going to DC instead of Miami, some poor typist (I promise it wasn’t me) dropped the “case†and the RNC jumped for joy at hearing Bob was on his way to DC.
Despite his travails, Ney has won the uniform backing of district Republican officials and is favored to win.
Final note: supposedly Ney is trailing at the polls against both:
Joe Sulzer and lawyer Zack Space — the two Democrats given the best chance of winning their party’s nod on Tuesday.
Zack Space? Seriously? Zack Space? Further proof that we are living a B-movie script.
punaise 77 - quit carpin’ about it.
Don’t f*** with the CIA. It will come back to bite you!!
While I’m awaiting moderation - you win punaise 77. Who could foggoget the hookers?
EPU - I’ll see your “antidismisrecollecting” and raise you a “postantidismisrecollecting”
Cozumel –
Here’s the reason I think Huffpo put up the March story on Foggo (again?) –
Foggo just admitted today or last night to having been at the Wilkes “poker parties” — but he says he “didn’t see” any prostitutes there. [He was blindfolded when the games began?]
Maybe Foggo lived true to his name and just “misrecollected.”
Everybody –
This business of making up the word “misrecollected” just adds one more feature which matches the original Watergate scandal –> the mangling of the English language. Remember the Watergate testimony and the fondness demonstrated therein for the newly coined and nonsensically redundant phrase, “at this point in time”?
These folks can only shred the Constitution by first destroying the English language in Orwellian ways.
And they worry about the anthem!
yo, tweety on the warpath again. gary berntsen is a tad too gung-ho/special forces meathead for my tastes, but he and drumheller have backed up tweety’s efforts to explain the manipulation of cheney’s efforts to invade iraq.
Leslie in CA says:
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:25 pm
punaise 77 - quit carpin’ about it.
_____
And, no “catch and release.”
Where the hell IS JudyJudyJudy, anyway? She’s gotten more scarce than our Ambassador to Switzerland. I figured she’d be on Fox News by now.
postantidismisrecollectitudination
Is judy sleeping with the aspen roots now?
Christy, or someone else, little help here!?!
This looks like a good place as any to post, but after reading Christy’s previous overview of a Grand Jury, I have a question.
If a GJ returns a list of charges, is Fitzgerald bound in indicting Rove (or others) on those charges? Can he say, this one I think we can prove well, and this one I will let slide? Can he approach the subject before a formal announcement looking for a plea?
Along those lines, do you think that Fitz has went to the GJ with a list of charge recommendations and the GJ returned indictments and Fitz has just been sitting on them? (is this possible?)
This has been on my mind and needed to have things cleared up.
tweety ends segment with ‘nation building is a tougher sell than a mushroom cloud is coming.’
That’s because a scheme to democratize the Middle East by invading Iraq is obviously crazy. It would be nice if they would mention Iran during this conversation and keep it in context.
rwcole - Who said that? TV? Crap. Maybe he thinks America the Beautiful is the national anthem?
wow… ask and ye shall receive. thank you Dana Priest.
Frank –
Maybe Judy’s in the Green Zone. As “Queen of all Iraq” she’s probably waiting for the formation of the new government so she can walk up the red carpet and be formally anointed and crowned.
[Reminds me of my parents’ saying (they were born in the ‘teens/’twenties) — “Get over here! Boy am I gonna crown you!”]
pseudopostantidisrecollectitudianism
OT,
Did any of you notice the smirk on Wolf Blitzer’s face when he brought up Lieberman vs. Lamont, giving Lieberman 49% over Lamont, somewhere in the teens?
The smirk was seemed like, “that’s why we ignore the blogs, they don’t resonate with the public.”
Bill Bennett was giving plenty of time to speak, a lot more than Donna Brazil. At least I didn’t have to watch Donna hug Bay…
Fuck the MSM…
Mrs. K8–nice to see you around. :)
there’s something fishy going on. it’s a whale of a story: an eel-fated venture.
jr at 43
Kind’a like the observer effect
zAmboni –
It’s my understanding that it is NEVER the state attorney who indicts, it is by definition the GRAND JURY who indicts.
I’d doubt that the g.j. wouldn’t be paying close attention to Fitzgerald’s careful description of relevant statutes and the status of how high the available evidence is mounting up in relation to those statutes. It would be hard for me to imagine that they don’t at least have great respect for his legal mind.
rgdurst (#67)
the pole’s on the bottom ‘cuz that’s where the fish are. or is it the other way around? then, we don’t know if this really is the bottom. maybe those flounders’ll get fooled once again……..
I have a feeling that Berntsen has to justify his killing/perhaps guilty conscience– he said (paraphrased) that it would have been a disaster to have those 2 psychopaths– Saddam’s sons– in power. Tweety said that was a heckuva reason to go to war. Berntsen went on to say they were doing lots of killing since the 80’s. Just sayin…
Wyo Nate–Saw wolfie on the earlier segment smirking re the same thing… he hearts him some Lieberman.
On the National Anthem -
WOODRUFF: Well, as we told you a moment ago, the inaugural opening ceremonies are underway at the Lincoln Memorial. Let’s slip back over there now and listen to Jon Secada.
(JON SECADA SINGS “AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL”)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....ip.00.html
Jane & Christy,
I really ♥ you gals.
:^p
Even without my tinfoil hat on I can’t help but think there is a cadre of who’s whos spattered across the media that are part of an organized propaganda machine, and I think this group is yanking their freeking hair out with every parsing post you two (and your cadre of bloggers) put up. I’m talking about the same sycophant access-driven whoring mouthpeices that’s evident, but something more.
When Bernstein busted open the Mockingbird scandal, which was just that sort of an op, it took that domestic cointel ability away from the CIA. I think the program lives on over at DOD ever since, and methinks Woodward who has long been rumored to have been a double wallet guy on the DOD side of things while at WaPo, (& a few other editors/reporters come to mind), is a large part of this scheme, and the WHIG group just tapped into/expanded/used it to serve their wants/needs.
Now I think they’re using it to cover their asses.
I don’t know if their is any way to prove any of this beyond speculation, but you might want to at least consider what you really might be fighting against.
Hope a lot of people are watching this Hardball because it really damns
the administration.
Bush will be in the 20’s soon.
Hey Leslie! Back atcha! :-)
It’s good to be back. I had a major FDL withdrawal problem during the times in our trip when we couldn’t even get connected to the net.
Missed you all! I was “at home” for the first time in years with my whole family; but now I’m also back “at home” with all my blog buddies. It’s good to experience both “homes.”
Text of the Schuster’s report today:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0502.html
How many #3 guys at the CIA do you think we have? As many or half as many as there are #2s at al-Qaeda?
Operation Mockingbird
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....ockingbird
Woodward the double wallet guy
http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr196-woodward.html
It would be nice if they would mention Iran during this conversation and keep it in context.
#94: well tweety, fineman and chuck todd did discuss an attack on iran — but as a way for fredo to rebound in the polls. sheesh.
Heads up!
For those interested, and FWIW, Steve Clemons has up a new thread giving his assessment (based on sources he has in the diplomatic and Pentagon worlds) on whether or not we’ll be seeing a “hot strike” on Iran this summer.
www.thewashingtonnote.com
I’m headed back to finish his post now. Thought fellow nail-biters here might also want to add his musings to the current “weather report.”
To me this is the money quote from the Shuster story, the elephant in the middle of the room.
If he had no idea, why not? And doesn’t a “grown-up” (remember the 2000 election meme, a government run ny grown-ups?) consider the consequences of an action before taking said action.
Isn’t it reasonable to assume that one should find out what the status of an employee of the CIA is, before blowing her cover.
[btw - I don’t for a minute actually believe that Rove did not know exactly who Valerie Plame Wilson was and exactly what she was working on. He simply did not care]
Yesterday, Tweety loved Cap’n Codpiece’s “self depracating humor” demonstrated at the Stenographer’s Ball. He just cooed and gurgled over it (the codpiece). You say he’s biting the hand that feeds him today?
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sans-culotte
Here’s another one
www.disclosureproject.org/PDF-.....IAMemo.pdf
Mary 118
LMAO!
Lady Chablis, I mean Ken Mehlman is booed in speech after claiming Iraq is better off now. Also he is chastised for linking Iran and Israel to US foreign policy.
http://jta.org/page_view_break.....intid=2450
-GSD
I haven’t had time to read the story yet but don’t miss the new cover of Texas Monthly. It’s an official, formal portrait of Tom Delay, in his Washington D.C. office, with the headline, “Don’t let the door hit you…”
http://www.texasmonthly.com/
Nice!
Is there a link between Gasoline prices and Bush’s poll numbers?
http://www.pollkatz.homestead......age001.gif
YEAH - I have become moderationemergent in the 80s
Bi-polar Tweety Bird Matthews was at his best today knocking Cheney around for most of the show.
Maybe tomorrow he will be back to praising Bush for his “sunny nobility”.
-GSD
Timewarp -
That excuse will get Rove nowhere, legally or politically. As someone with security clearance, he was obligated to get authorization to identify Plame as a CIA agent. If he didn’t, then he acted illegally. End of story.
And politically, it doesn’t work because there is way too much evidence that he did know exactly who she was and that she worked in counterproliferation. His feeble attempt to claim that he didn’t know who Plame was will be seen by the public for what it is: a lie.
xyz, thanks for the link to Shuster’s report that DeadEye knew Plame was working on Iran, before he outed her.
Jane, thanks for an, as per usual, great summary of the most salient points of the latest Scooter filing.
I this the misrecollection thing may represent classic RCI. Somebody call Drs. Frist and Coburn!!!
rectal-cranial inversion of the first order.
John Casper - Actually the report, as I read it, indicated that it is not know whether Cheney knew that Plame worked on Iran. But he did know that her work was very sensitive. This is the thrust of the report as I read it.
Is misrecollected a bit like revirgination? just askin’
In regards to the number 3 at the CIA invloved in the Duke Cunningham “hookergate” scandals.
His memory is unclear–some say that the first casualty of war is truth..it is also the first casualty in a government sex scandal.
This time memory has been lost in the “Foggo of whores”.
-GSD
GSD
“Foggo of Whores” hahaha hilarious
OK, here’s my least favorite quote from the Clemons piece:
This mess is looking increasingly like 1914…
He says the “canary in the cave” (what happened to the coal mine?) would be the sudden score of resignations from military brass. I guess if we see a dozen highly placed officers resign we should start clearing out the tuna and powdered milk from the grocery shelves…
Bolton is a jackass and a buffoon, but then you knew that. He pulled together a suggested UN resolution which would impose sanctions on Iran. Steve says any sanctions would be virtually impossible to enforce since China and Russia won’t play along with that.
I’m surprised Steve didn’t mention the story I saw in the “Latest Breaking News” headline list at Democratic Underground — it was about how Bolton is now saying the US will be willing to conduct non-UN sanctions against Iran with other allies. Sounds like Bolton already knows he can’t get any results from slapping around the Security Council.
What diplomacy? These people know nothing but bullying and thuggery.
She looks like an idiot, she’s obviously been extremely inconsistent in all her conflicting statements
Would that make her consistently idiotic?
Foggo didn’t think they were whoere–he thought they really liked him.
punaise, no need for us to scale back our responses–they couldn’t gill us if they tried.
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Marky #135
“These chicks dig me… here baby, $100 for you. Buy yourself a couple tanks of gas.”
OT. This diary might be worth a look—about Rove’s finances.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/2/10177/11404
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And only a lying asswipe like Scooter would be an adherent of postantidismisrecollectarianism
Although I haven’t counted up whether it means he is pro or anti lying.
I’d just go all goo goo eyed if Clusterfuck’s poll ratings went up after killing thousands of innocent people again. He could do a repeat “mission accomplished” command performance. What a crime against humanity it is for talking heads to talk about war in such a cavalier manner. Blood for oil and money, now blood for Poll numbers. Tweety, Fineman (and Chuck Todd?) are sick bastards.
A guy named Foggo #3 at the CIA? Is that really the guy’s name? Man, you just can’t make this stuff up.
And what about Randy’s bribe book? How many hookers per bomb will that be Sir?
This is a story that can get some traction in the sleaze tv, even Fox would have trouble ignoring the most salacious details, you know, the ratings, the premium ad space yada, yada, yada.
I seem to recall that Greenspan and Cheney are, or once were, fairly close to each other. Mitchell’s blatherings may have been related to something she picked up from this.
marky - Just like Neil Bush when those lovelies showed up in his hotel room.
Mary (and others whose names I forget thanks to a slight case of pre-senile brain hiccup) –
Thanks for your good wishes for the pupster. We take her back to the vet tomorrow night. I’m hoping the lethargy she’s showing can be explained by a simple need to up her thyroid meds, and that her recent weight loss is just the hoped-for result of changing her to “senior light” kibble — and that cancer is just an unwarranted fear.
Am engaged in heavy plea bargaining with God right now.
a STD???
Mary #125
CM couldn’t keep it up till the end though. Had to pretend that he didn’t understand lobbying when interviewing the GOP man who’s written a book about lobbying (they had to get their take on lobbying out first!).
CM cannot get through a whole programme without sucking up at least once.
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“Misrecollected” simply does not square with the repeated, proactive, precise, affirmative, specific, unequivocal statements Scooter made to Fitz.
Poignant spin, but banal and futile in the end.
Ain’t a word without a hyphen:
Mis-recollect: To have an erroneous remembrance of; to suppose erroneously that one recollects. –Hitchcock.
Source: Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
– just sayin’
here is a really scary question;
now that the democrats in the senate are finally making some kind of effort to carry out their obligation
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0502.html
can someone tell me what is to stop the administration from telling the head of the cia who is now under the thumb, to just make a damage assesment that indicated there wsa no damage
why wouldn’t he do that?
I seem to recall that Greenspan and Cheney are, or once were, fairly close to each other.
Ben –
Perhaps they had adjacent positions on the floor when they were acolytes sitting at the feet of Ayn Rand?
Get ready to knock another 2 or 3 points off of the right-wing Christian base when they learn that Deadeye Dick Cheney didn’t send his daughter off to a “de-lesbianization boot-camp” when she broke the news of her gayness to her folks.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash6mc.htm
Sorry for the Drudge link it smells like raw eggs.
-GSD
Matt O. 112 - snort. That sounds like a word problem from the math program from hell: x/3 or = 1/2(x/3) or . . .
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“de-lesbianization boot-camp†LOL!!!
Oops - I was using the lesser and great than signs, and even w/spaces and no html, it won’t print them. Oh well.
EPU - of course you’re right, it’s -arianism.
GSD –
OK, that’s now the second time (in as many days) that you have made me laugh out loud. And it’s the second time I’m gonna steal a line from you. :-)
I can hardly wait to see what you’re going to come up with tomorrow. The pressure is on. ;-)
me to me –
can someone tell me what is to stop the administration from telling the head of the cia who is now under the thumb, to just make a damage assesment that indicated there wsa no damage
why wouldn’t he do that?
Maybe because there were pictures at those Wilkes “poker parties,” only THIS time it’s the “good guys” who own the negatives?
Here’s hoping!
Foggo and the Fornigators meet Zack Space and the Integrity Squad-ders.
I think the chorus is Sha Nay Neigh Ney.
Okay, my first pass at the filing.
First of all, it’s Team Libby vs the media. Libby wants a bunch of notes and stuff from reporters, and they don’t want to fork them over. Fitz isn’t involved in this one at all.
Overall, I’d give this filing a B. It’s not nearly as good as their last one, but it’s much better than the rather shrill “Give us everything!” greymail filing from earlier on. They contradict themselves on some points, but overall they present a pretty strong case. Now to the specifics.
Judy Miller: She’s going to lose her motion to quash. She may be able to get away with redacting some of her notes from other sources if they have nothing to do with Plame, but Libby will get to see anything that’s Plame-related. And if she’s just got doodles with no sourcing, he’ll get to see those, too. If there are lots of notes with no sourcing, team Libby will try to paint her as a shoddy reporter. Frankly, I’m not going to argue with them.
Andrea Mitchell: She’s also going to lose. She can’t seem to keep her story straight. Before Novak’s column, did she know that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA? Initially, she said yes, but now she can’t seem to give a yes-or-no answer without throwing in a few weasel words. She brought this on herself.
Matt Cooper and Time Magazine: I think Coop will win, because it’s not clear what Libby is looking for here. He’s already got all of Coop’s notes, as far as I can tell. If Coop has notes about Libby that he hasn’t turned over yet, Libby will get those. But Libby seems to be asking for every shred of paper that Matt Cooper has ever written on so that Team Libby can prove that Cooper never wrote down that Libby confirmed Plame’s employment to him. That’s a bit broad, and it seems like Libby himself testified that he told Cooper that Plame worked at the CIA, but now Libby’s trying to say that he heard the information from reporters. Good luck with that one.
Other miscellaneous thoughts: The filing continues to preach the fiction that Joe Wilson was spreading “lies” about Saddam trying to get uranium from Niger. I have yet to see ANY credible evidence that Joe Wilson got the Niger story wrong. Anyone else?
“de-lesbianization boot-camp†LOL!!!
Ok, now isn’t that a sort of oxymoron? Doesn’t the inherent attractiveness of the boots at boot-camp automatically cancel out the de-lesbianization objective? ;-)
jinny 61: I wonder why Mehlman is willing to admit he’s jewish but he won’t admit he’s gay-ish?
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Had enough?
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Matt O — Left you a compliment at the end of the last thread …
new thread
me to me -
Bush and Goss could try that. But you would see the long knives come out for them like never before.
The CIA is not the kind of bureaucracy that can be so easily pushed around.
The CIA might produce a scrubbed damage report.
But I think the truth would be leaked out quickly after that. And then more leaks and more leaks, none of them
Mrs. K8,
Glad to oblige. Humor is always a gift best shared over and over again.
-GSD
What was the line yesterday?
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VANITY FAIR editor Todd Purdum reports that Mary Cheney tells her story in a voice very much like her father’s, and that she came out to her parents when she was a junior in high school, on a day when, after breaking up with her first girlfriend, she skipped school, ran a red light, and crashed the family car. Cheney writes that her mother hugged her, but then burst into tears, worried that she would face a life of pain and prejudice.
new thread — nobody’s said it yet …
i don’t think…
TeddySanFran#163
As someone who has lived in CA many years I just don’t understand why. Then again, Republicans seem to like to believe that on Democrats
are gay.
Instead of State Dept. HQ maybe CIA should be located at Foggo Bottom.
Urban Pirate says:
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:29 pm
VANITY FAIR editor Todd Purdum reports that Mary Cheney tells her story in a voice very much like her father’s, and that she came out to her parents when she was a junior in high school, on a day when, after breaking up with her first girlfriend, she skipped school, ran a red light, and crashed the family car. Cheney writes that her mother hugged her, but then burst into tears, worried that she would face a life of pain and prejudice.
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New right wing talking point: Homosexuality causes you to skip school and get in car crashes. Pass it on.
Excellent, punaise, excellent @ 171.
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FrankProbst/161, I agree Libby will win most of the discovery he seeks, and he should. Fitz spent a lot of time and money forcing reporters to tell him what they knew. Now Libby is a criminal defendant and is entitled to discovery as well, in order to prepare his defense. In a criminal trial more is at stake than the guilt or innocence of the defendant; the process must also be fair. I say give Libby a fair trial. Then hang him. ;-)
Jane and Christy, you continue to amaze me.
Andrea Mitchell, your 15 years are up.
misrecollect my ass
not talkin bout poles n bottoms
Hope the Tshirts are selling well…I just got an idea for a merchandizing tie-in. You know those clear eye protector glasses that sell in hardware stores. wack a Fitz sand storm protector sticker on and double yr money?
If this has already been canvassed then foggogeddaoubit but they could come in handy against tear gas as well as just making a political fashion statement.
As usual, taking up the rear…EPU-ed, but I simply had to thank the following for the best laugh I’ve had in a long time:
Mary #118, Leslie in CA #136, EPU #139, Rubber Soul #154, Teddy San Fran #167
Wonderful, imaginative, intelligent word-play, and so accurate a description of what all those crooks have been, continue to, and will do in court.
In the court of public opinion, ridicule and humour have the greatest effect.
I think the misrecollecting is more a referral to not remembering which version of which lie was told on which day. Liars need good memories, if I remember correctly.
EPU`d but so what - ain`t the first time
Tim Shea >”…Liars need good memories, if I remember correctly.”
“Always tell the truth, that way you never have to remember anything” - Mark Twain
The most popular word in the filing is “misrecollected.”
Do you mean popular as “well-liked” or popular as “most common”?