The past is not dead. In fact, it’s not even past.
If you turn on your cable tonight, and you happen to have Turner Classic Movies, you’ll be able to watch, for one of the first times in broadcast, D.W. Griffith’s classic silent, The Birth of a Nation.
It’s an instructive film, in part because Griffith introduced so many innovations that we now take for granted. One of these, of course, is the wealth of racial stereotypes that run throughout it.
It’s also instructive that it’s happening now, because there seems to be a fresh wave of thinking out there that sees this whole ugly racism thing now as a thing of the past. We can sift through its bones and quaintly examine them, tut-tutting the primitives of a century before, smug in our certainty that of course it lives no more.
One of these is Shelby Steele, who wants to argue that "white guilt" over the depredations of white supremacy keeps us whites from doing what we need to do in places like Iraq and on our southern border:
To maintain their legitimacy, they practice the minimalism that makes problems linger. What but minimalism is left when you are running from stigmatization as a "unilateralist cowboy"? And where is the will to truly regulate the southern border when those who ask for this are slimed as bigots? This is how white guilt defines what is possible in America. You go at a problem until you meet stigmatization, then you retreat into minimalism.Possibly white guilt’s worst effect is that it does not permit whites–and nonwhites–to appreciate something extraordinary: the fact that whites in America, and even elsewhere in the West, have achieved a truly remarkable moral transformation. One is forbidden to speak thus, but it is simply true. There are no serious advocates of white supremacy in America today, because whites see this idea as morally repugnant. If there is still the odd white bigot out there surviving past his time, there are millions of whites who only feel goodwill toward minorities.
The notion that racism is dead has been a favorite theme of the right for awhile now. It began, probably, with the Thernstroms’ America in Black and White, and continued with Dinesh D’Souza’s The End of Racism. In a similar vein, the new White House Press Secretary, Tony Snow, suggested awhile back that he thinks racism a dead issue:
"Here’s the unmentionable secret: Racism isn’t that big a deal any more. No sensible person supports it. Nobody of importance preaches it. It’s rapidly becoming an ugly memory."
— Tony Snow, on an October 2003 edition of Fox News Sunday
What Snow is really doing, of course, is defining racism away. This is only true if "racism" is largely just the purview of the Ku Klux Klans and Silver Shirts, the David Dukes and Hal Turners and the National Socialist Movements of the world. It’s also only true if you believe that the only racism of possible significance is that which might be condoned by public officials — that racist acts by ordinary citizens are of no consequence.
The stark reality, however, is that racism not only continues to thrive in America both in less obvious, institutional ways, but also through the auspices of the conservative movement and its official wing, the Republican Party. The 21st-century American right has proven remarkably content not merely to let the embers of racism smolder away at the roots of our society, but to fan them in ways both subtle and unsubtle.
There is a long history of this: the long-running collaboration with neo-Confederates in the South, courtesy of the Southern Strategy and its transformative effects on the GOP, is only the best-known instance. The transmission of appeals from the far right in the 1990s, though less remarked upon, is certainly a piece of the picture.
Then there are the increasing numbers of overt white supremacists, clothed in seemingly normal personas, stepping up and running for public office as Republicans. The nice young man running for the Mosquito Control Board in Florida is also an avid member of the National Alliance. Out in Montana, another neo-Nazi announced his plans to run for the state Legislature.
And even though Republican officials there, appropriately, condemned the man’s candidacy, it does little to drown out the consistent drumbeat we hear from conservative quarters these days. The more common refrain from rank and file conservatives, especially when it comes to the immigration debate, sounds a lot more like Michael Savage when he calls pro-immigrant marchers "vermin."
Let’s take the most recent variant: the bizarre overreaction to the new Spanish-language version of "The Star Spangled Banner."
John Chuckman noted the weirdness of the reaction — and the underlying cause:
"This is evoking spirited revulsion on the part of fair-minded Americans," offered John Teeley, representative of one of innumerable private propaganda mills in Washington commonly dignified as think-tanks. Mr. Teeley continued, "You are talking about something sacred and iconic in the American culture. Just as we wouldn’t expect people to change the colors of the national flag, we wouldn’t expect people to fundamentally change the anthem and rewrite it in a foreign language."A foreign language? There are roughly thirty-million Spanish speakers in the United States. The analysis here is interesting: an immigrant singing an anthem in his own language resembles someone changing the national flag. This argument does, perhaps unintentionally, reveal the real concern: Hispanics are changing our country, and we don’t like it.
As No More Mister Nice Blog points out, there have been previous renditions of the "Star Spangled Banner" in German, French, Polish, and Tagalog. According to the Wikipedia entry on the song:
The Star-Spangled Banner was translated into Spanish in 1919 by the US Bureau of Education. It has also been translated into a number of other languages. In 1861, it was translated into German (and is also on that page in Latin). It has been translated into Yiddish by Jewish immigrants and into French by Acadians of Louisiana.It has also been translated into Samoan:
O Roketi mumu fa’aafi, o pomu ma fana ma aloi afi
E fa’amaonia i le po atoa, le fu’a o lo’o tu maninoa
Aue! ia tumau le fe’ilafi mai, ma agiagia pea
I eleele o Sa’olotoga, ma Nofoaga o le au totoa
The whole uproar reminds me a bit of the outrage that followed Jimi Hendrix’s performance of the national anthem at Woodstock:
The creation of these effects was groundbreaking in its own right, far expanding the traditional techniques of the electric guitar. The rendition has been described by some as a generation’s statement on the unrest in US society, and others as an anti-American mockery, oddly symbolic of the beauty, spontaneity, and tragedy that was endemic to Hendrix’s life. It was an unforgettable rendition remembered by generations. When asked on the Dick Cavett Show if he was aware of all the outrage he had caused by the performance, Hendrix replied: ‘I thought it was beautiful.’
Jimi was so cool.
Unfortunately, the harpies of the nativist right are not.
You see, to them, it doesn’t matter that there have been other renditions of the National Anthem in other languages. For them, it’s the same thing as those dirty Mexicans who were waving Mexican flags: they polluting our culture. They’re taking away our lily-white, English-speaking past and replacing it with a multilingual, multiracial present.
Some of this is plain old ignorant provincialism. Americans are the only people I know who are positively insulted when someone tries to speak to them in another language. And some of it, frankly, is latent white supremacism: the belief that "traditional" white culture is innately superior, and any dilution of it is a bad thing.
The overarching narrative, though, is fairly clear: Latinos are the problem, and they should be sent back to Mexico.
The reality is that much of the demographic change fueling this anger is occurring in places that, previously, have been homogeneous white communities: rural and suburban communities in the West and Midwest and South. The kinds of places where, only fifty years ago, it was not uncommon to encounter signs on the city borders reading: "Nigger, Don’t Let the Sun Set on You Here."
These signs were particularly common in the Midwest, but also could be found out West and in the East as well. They were less common in the South, which dealt with its black population differently, through Jim Crow laws and segregation; the rest of the country simply ran blacks out of their communities and forced them into urban black neighborhoods. As James Loewen documents in his book Sundown Towns [more about which I'll soon be writing] the direct effects of these policies have given us a legacy of racial separation that is still with us. And most of these privileged white communities, despite the changes in modern racial sensibilities, still continue to resist any demographic change.
One of the ways this resistance manifests itself is in the form of hate crimes, which as I’ve explained previously, are known to occur not in correlation with economic downturns, but rather with dramatic demographic shifts. (I go into this in some detail in Death on the Fourth of July.) Particularly in formerly homogeneous communities facing an influx of easily identifiable Others.
So it should not surprise us that, as the ADL recently reported, the levels of threats and actual violence directed against Latinos is rapidly rising in these precincts around the country. A sampling:
January 2006, California. Ryan Nicholas Newsome, a member of the Another Order white supremacist gang, pleaded no contest on January 20, 2006, to assault charges in Yuba County. He pleaded no contest to assault with force likely to cause great bodily injury with a criminal street gang enhancement as a result of an August 2005 incident, in which he and an associate allegedly assaulted a Hispanic man.
December 2005, Tennessee. A Blount County judge on December 1, 2005, sentenced Jacob Allen Reynolds and Thomas Matthew Lovett to four years in prison and six months in prison (and two and a half on probation) respectively after they pleaded guilty to vandalizing a Mexican food store in Maryville on May 7, 2005, causing over $17,000 in damages. The men allegedly broke windows and a refrigerator, vandalized a car, and spray-painted Nazi symbols on the store. Three others charged still await trial.
November 2005, Texas. Christopher Chubasco Wilkins, a prison escapee, was recaptured on November 5 and charged with murdering three men in the Fort Worth area during his month-long escape. Wilkins, who is according to police a self-proclaimed white separatist heavily tattooed with a variety of white supremacist tattoos, including a portrait of Adolf Hitler, is alleged to have killed two Hispanic men and one African-American man by gunshots to the head. Police are examining a possible racial motive. Wilkins had been living at a halfway house in Houston, after being released from federal prison, and left the house without permission.
November 2005, Tennessee. A federal judge sentenced former Klansman Daniel James Schertz to 14 years in prison for selling pipe bombs to a person he thought would use them to kill Mexican and Haitian immigrants. The person turned out to be an undercover informant. Schertz, a former corrections officer and member of the North Georgia White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, pleaded guilty to making five pipe bombs to be used to blow up a bus carrying Mexican workers. Later, Schertz expressed gratitude that the government had stopped him, but said, "We should have people here who know how to speak English. They are over here illegally and nothing gets done to them."
October 2005, California. A Sacramento man and two other suspects who allegedly attacked and injured six people in a hate-crime spree at two local parties were arrested in the early morning of October 16, 2005. Ryan Marino, 22, posted bail from El Dorado County Jail later Sunday after being charged on four counts of assault with a deadly weapon with an extenuating circumstance of a hate crime. He allegedly used brass knuckles after shouting epithets against Hispanics and proclaiming "white pride" at a home Sunday evening. Party attendees later identified Marino, who police said crashed the parties with the intent of "beating up Mexicans."
September 2005, Utah. A federal judge on September 27, 2005, sentenced Lance Vanderstappen to 20 years in prison for trying to kill a Hispanic man while in a holding cell in July 2005 awaiting sentencing for a racketeering charge. The victim had stab wounds to his neck, throat and chest. In court, Vanderstappen, a member of the notorious Soldiers of Aryan Culture white supremacist prison gang, admitted that he targeted the victim because he was Hispanic, saying "I intentionally tried to kill him." Vanderstappen pleaded guilty to attempted murder.
September 2005, New Jersey. Joseph Schmidt of Little Egg Harbor received a sentence of three years’ probation in September 2005 after pleading guilty in June to two counts of bias intimidation, two counts of aggravated assault, two counts of criminal mischief, two counts of possessing weapons for an unlawful purpose, and simple assault. The charges were related to a string of attacks on minorities, primarily Hispanics, in Ocean County in 2003. Schmidt, a member of the white supremacist skinhead group East Coast Hate Crew, received a light sentence because he had cooperated with authorities in prosecuting other members of the group. Three others involved in the incident pleaded guilty and one was acquitted. Others have yet to go to trial.
July 2005, California. Four people, three men and one woman, were arrested in Riverside, California, on July 11-12, 2005, charged with making terrorist threats with a hate crime enhancement. Some of the people arrested had "white pride" tattoos, according to authorities, who also seized a variety of white supremacist items. According to police, the suspects drove to a home and challenged several Hispanics there to a fight, threatening them and using racial slurs. A similar episode occurred the next night. According to police, the people arrested claimed no particular group affiliation but said they were proud to be "members of the Aryan race."
May 2005, Arizona. White supremacist Steve Boggs was sentenced to death on May 13, 2005, for murdering three fast-food workers in Mesa, Arizona, in 2002 during a robbery. He had been convicted of three counts of first-degree murder and various robbery, burglary and kidnapping charges. Boggs shot the victims, a Native American and two Hispanics, then stuffed their bodies into a freezer at the store. Boggs wrote to a Mesa police detective that he had wanted to "rid the world of a few needless illegals. I don’t feel sorry." Another defendant still awaits trial. According to prosecutors, the two men were members of a small hate group they called the Imperial Royal Guard.
May 2005, Texas. Two racist skinheads pleaded guilty on May 5, 2005, to a racially motivated beating of a Hispanic man in January 2003. Douglas Brannan of Hockley and Mark Fletcher Smith of Spring, both sporting many white supremacist tattoos, were convicted of civil rights violations. The two men, and a teenager, had attacked a Hispanic customer at a gas station, beating him and kicking him with steel-toed boots until he was unconscious while shouting "border jumper," "spic," and "we kill people like you." Brannan received a five year sentence and Smith a three year sentence.
December 2004, California. Ten racist skinheads from Redlands and Riverside attacked three Hispanics in the parking lot of a topless bar on December 29, 2004. According to police, they assaulted the men while yelling racial slurs at them and identifying themselves as members of skinhead groups. No arrests have yet been made.
November 2004, Wisconsin. Mark Lentz of Sheldon, Wisconsin, received a three-month sentence and two years of probation, as well as 40 hours of community service, after pleading no contest to a misdemeanor hate crime. Lentz was the last of four racist skinheads to be sentenced for luring a Hispanic man outside a bar in Waukesha, then hitting him on the head with a bottle and repeatedly kicking him. Mark Davis II of Watertown earlier received a 3 � year sentence and two years of extended supervision, Kasey Bieri received an 18-month jail term and three years of probation, and Jeffrey Gerloski received four months in jail and two years probation.
June 2004, Texas. Ranch Rescue member Casey Nethercott was convicted by a Texas jury of felony firearm possession in connection with an attack on two illegal immigrants from El Salvador outside of Hebbronville, Texas, in 2003. He was sentenced to five years in prison. The two immigrants (now in the U.S. legally) successfully sued Nethercott and others involved in the incident for a total judgment of $1,450,000.
November 2003, Idaho. Aryan Nations member Zachary Beck was arrested for felony malicious harassment as a hate crime for attacking a Hispanic male in the parking lot of a supermarket after asking if the victim was Mexican. While awaiting trial on that charge, he was later re-arrested after allegedly shooting at a police officer in Longview, Washington, during a standoff. He still awaits trial on the alleged crimes.
June 2003, California. Two racist skinheads, Waylon Kennell and James Grlicky, were convicted in separate trials for the brutal beating of a Mexican migrant worker in San Diego in the fall of 2003. Grlicky was convicted of attempted murder, conspiracy, robbery, assault and battery, with a hate crime enhancement. Kennell was convicted of assault causing great bodily injury and battery with serious bodily injury. According to the prosecutor in the case, the two went hunting for a "beaner" to beat and rob. They kicked the victim in the head around a dozen times, including "curbstomping" him�kicking down on the back of the head when the victim’s open mouth is placed against a concrete curb (emulating a scene in the movie "American History X"). The victim suffered brain damage as a result of the attack.
May 2003, New Hampshire. Aryan Nations member Russell Seace, Jr., of Hampton Beach, pleaded guilty on May 27 to being a felon in possession of a firearm as part of a plea bargain with the federal government. In exchange for money, Seace had agreed to kill a Hispanic inmate after he was released, in retaliation for an alleged attack by the Hispanic man on a white prison inmate.
February 2003, Oregon. A Mexican landscaper in Beaverton was beaten with a baseball bat, robbed, and told to "go back home," by a man with a shaved head and a coat with "KKK" on it. Baseball bats are one of the weapons preferred by racist skinheads. Authorities posted a reward but were unable to make an arrest in the crime.
The most recent, and horrifying, such case occurred recently in Texas, where two shaved-headed young men with a history of racial epithets and brawling attacked a 16-year-old Hispanic youth, sodomized him with a broomstick, carved him with a knife, poured bleach over him, and left him near death. (Somewhat predictably, prosecutors are declining to file hate-crime charges at this time.)
And, as the San Francisco Chronicle recently reported, there has been a regular onslaught of racist, clearly white supremacist ugliness floating around the anti-immigration forces recently, almost certainly whipped up by the pro-immigrant marches. This includes death threats against public officials.
There’s no reason to be surprised by this, though. Anyone watching the anti-immigration agitation carefully — particularly the semi-official celebration of violent viglantism known as the Minutemen — can hear for themselves the old embers of racial hate crackling back to life.
So while Minuteman founder Chris Simcox works steadily to deny the presence of any kind of white-supremacist element in his ranks, you can hear one of his early fellow border patrollers expounding:
No, we ought to be able to shoot the Mexicans on sight, and that would end the problem. After two or three Mexicans are shot, they’ll stop crossing the border and they’ll take their cows home, too.
At an anti-immgrant rally in Tennessee four days before the marches, this proposal drew applause:
On Apr. 27 — four days before a mass movement that includes undocumented workers, legal immigrants and U.S. citizens refused to go to work or school in observation of the "Great American Boycott" — more than 1,000 people attended an anti-immigrant meeting called "Demagnetise America" in Franklin, Tennessee.
Those in attendance heard Nashville radio talk show host Phil Valentine say that he thought that U.S. Border Patrol Agents should consider shooting undocumented immigrants as they come across the border.
According to the news story posted at the website of the Centre for New Community’s Building Democracy Initiative, Susan Tully, the national field director for the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) — present at the event — "chuckled at the idea, while the large crowd erupted into applause".
At the immigration marches themselves, pro-Minuteman agitators showed up and shouted racial hatred:
The Minutemen were doing their best to incite the Mexican protesters to violence, with shouts of "you motherfuckers" (from the black woman pictured above) and "go home, Mexicans", not to mention the skinny guy (pictured above, middle finger extended) who kept flipping them off and grabbing his crotch (really!). There were several people who did a wonderful job keeping the marchers away from the line of cops and the Minutemen, telling them that there was no need to sink to that level and that "we’re better than that". There was never a point where I thought violence was imminent, to the credit of the police and the rally organizers.
You see, everyone knows that being a racist is bad. That’s why no one ever admits to being a racist, even when they’re rather nakedly so.
But that doesn’t mean that people actually stop being racist. It just means that it goes on under the surface, when people think they aren’t looking.
So the Minutemen loudly proclaim that they’re weeding out any white supremacists and neo-Nazis. But then former organizers come forward and tell quite a different tale:
Neo-Nazis volunteered for Jim Gilchrist’s recent congressional campaign and distributed racist propaganda at Gilchrist rallies with the full knowledge of the Minuteman Project co-founder and his campaign managers, according to a former Gilchrist campaign volunteer whose account is supported by photographs, video footage and postings on the white supremacist Web site Stormfront.
"They were basically allowing Skinheads and white nationalists to work the phone banks and do IT [computer work] and distribute National Alliance fliers targeting non-whites," Cliff May, a dance instructor in Orange County, Calif., told the Intelligence Report. "When I told Mary [Gilchrist's finance manager] and Eldon [Gilchrist's grassroots coordinator] that I didn’t want to work for a campaign that was tainted by white supremacy in any way, they told me not to cause a stir.
"When I kept bringing it up, they kicked me out."
Photographs taken at an Oct. 29 Gilchrist rally in Sacramento show a man outfitted like a Nazi Skinhead distributing propaganda from the neo-Nazi National Alliance. "I talked with Gilchrist about it and he said they’d decided to, in his words, ‘let it go,’" May said. Three weeks later, May says he spotted two neo-Nazis among a crowd of Gilchrist campaign volunteers at a City Council meeting in Lake Forest, Calif. May recognized the young man and woman from photographs of neo-Nazis giving seig-heil salutes in front of swastika banners at an anti-immigration protest in Laguna Beach four months earlier, in July. May said he videotaped the neo-Nazis at the November meeting in Lake Forest and immediately afterward played the footage on a big screen television at Gilchrist’s campaign headquarters.
"I identified the couple on the tape as white supremacists and started asking everyone if they’d actually been working the office, and the front desk person and other volunteers said they had," said May. "Gilchrist was there and stated that he didn’t want to deal with it and he left." May said he later learned from Gilchrist’s campaign managers that some neo-Nazis were told they could work for the campaign as long as they kept their ideology quiet. "Gilchrist had assured the media several times he had a zero tolerance policy toward white supremacists. But from what I saw from the inside, it was more like, ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell,’" May said.
At Thursday night’s hearing where Simcox spoke, the Minutemen were treated to a long series of harangues against them, including some that entered the realm of inaccurate hyperbole.
But the real prize came from Simcox:
Also, I take great pride in being part of the Civil Rights Movement — Martin Luther King. And of course I admire the original border Minuteman, Cesar Chavez, who warned us about illegal immigration 25 years ago and actually marched to the border to protest illegal immigration and predicted the problems we have today.
It’s factually true, but distorted; Chavez would never have condoned an operation so clearly aimed at demonizing Latinos as the Minutemen. Nonetheless, some of the Minutemen’s supporters sounded similar notes. One in particular chastised the crowd for exhibiting its "prejudice" against the Minutemen, and wondered aloud, at numerous points, "What would Martin Luther King say?"
Human Rights commissioner Ellis Casson, a Seattle pastor who actually knew King, piped up at the end in response.
"I knew Dr. King," he said. "I know what he would say:
"’Here we go again.’"
Yes indeedy.

[Hat tip to Gene Lyons for the Steele piece.]




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whoo- boy, gotta go back and read, but
FITZ!!!
Fitz!
Thanks in advance, Mr. Neiwert.
Ask BobbyG about racism:
http://www.bgladd.com/my_girls.jpg
quite the post – much to digest. thanks.
OT– I hate to repost, but Leslie gave us the heads up that the replay of the Bolton hearing today is on CSPAN 1 right now and he gets flamed on Niger– worth watching.
early descent into silliness, entirely inappropriate in the context of the seriousness of the post’s subject matter, but what the heck, it’s Late Nite:
angie 67 (previous thread)
Shez, thank you– you just made me dance with my kitty more and more much to my joy and probably his chagrin…
your chat must be happy if he grins
Thanks so much, David.
The deeply racist impulses being fueled on the right over immigration are very frightening. They try to appropriate the language, imagery and legacy of people like Chavez and MLK just as you say, and then point to this and pompously claim how very egalitarian and color blind they are (witness the Red State racists and Ben Domenech) as cover for the dangerous stuff they are espousing.
Then they go into their victim act and whine about how oppressed they’ve been by “white guilt.” It’s a truly disgusting spectacle and thank you so much for being willing to take it on.
David Neiwert ! you are blogosheric – everywhere I’ve been tonight, folks have been awaiting your weigh in on this – and here you are right here – THANK YOU JANE !
rip it big guy, rip it – I’m going back for seconds – Thank you
There’s no place like home . . .
In Memphis, Tennessee, in 1965, when SNCC and SCLC were just beginning to test the Civil Rights Act in local restaurants, I saw a sign on a laundromat wall: “maids in uniform only.”
The fundamental viciousness of that sign, cloaked as it was in a veneer of white southern gentility, has haunted me ever since. To this day, I hate and despise all forms of racism, especially the sugar-coated, cowardly versions.
Now, kracker kids, you know in your little lily white hearts that Jesus wasn’t Aryan …Don’t you?
This looks like an argument whereby the tail wags the dog. Before you can make the conclusions offered by Steele, it seems you need to analyze each war.
If one does an analysis of the wars (take Vietnam and Iraq as examples) the problem doesn’t originate in white guilt…it originates in the lack of any consensus measure of the legitimacy for conducting said wars.
Steele’s analysis is an insult to the American public, offered to bolster the misguided decisions of a select few…all the while undressed and exposed by the majority of the citizenry for what it actually is…a mistake. Therefore, the analysis is quite simple…Americans aren’t inclined to support mistakes.
more observations here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..05_pf.html
Immigrant Backlash In Herndon
Voters Oust Leaders Who Supported Center
darkblack says:
May 2nd, 2006 at 9:04 pm
Now, kracker kids, you know in your little lily white hearts that Jesus wasn’t Aryan …Don’t you?
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Neither was he Jewish. He was a “Christian.”
chatgrin, heh– you are a master, punaise.
Me, I am a meer mistress of my kat.
Thank goodness I found the new thread again.
Wave the bloody red shirt of Martin Luther King.
In answer to the rhetorical question of when will you noisy civil righters ever be satisfied King thundered out a lightening string of never’s – NEVER so long as police brutality, disenfranchisement, housing and lodging discrimination, ghettoization and routine attacks on black self esteem exist and spread. NEVER, he shouted quoting the prophet Amos till…”Justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream…”
” Should unjust conditions for anarchists prevail the call for them to be non-violent is a demand for them to submit to injustice. Nothing in the theory of non-violence counsels this suicidal course.”
King on non-violence and it’s inextricable link with justice.( he may have mentioned Negro’s there, not anarchists; my bad.)
Martin Luther King jnr also described ” AGGRESSIVE non-violence, MASSIVE non-violence and non-violent SABOTAGE ” this post 67 King also spoke of the new campaigns ” DISRUPTIVE DIMENSIONS.”
Only such campaigns would be “POWERFUL” and “DRAMATIC” enough to bring essential change.
” Non-violence must be adapted to urban conditions and urban moods. Non-violent protest must now mature to a new level, to correspond to heightened black impatience and stiffened white resistance. This high level is MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE. There must be more than a statement to the larger society, there must be a force that interrupts its functioning at some key point…to dislocate the functioning of a city without destroying it can be more effective than a riot because it can be longer lasting, costly to the larger society, but not wantonly destructive. It is a device of of social action that is more difficult for a government to quell by superior force…it is militant and defiant not destructive.”
Round this time MLK also said he wanted to “go for broke”, was willing to accept longer jail time and said…” In a sense you could say we were engaged in the class struggle,” and also called for …” a redistribution of economic power. We are now making demands that will cost the nation something…you are messing with folk then. Your messing with the captains of industry…and this all means that we’re in dangerous waters because it really means that we’re saying something’s wrong with capitalism…there must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”
Do you want to know more?
Search on ‘ Anarchism and the Black revolution’
because power concede’s nothing without the demand – it never has and it never will.
cbl — David Neiwert is awesome.
Indeed, BobbyG…He was one of the good goys.
;>)
sorry, Punaise
is stephen colbert writing shelby steele’s material for him?
just askin’ …
The contemporary Republican party thrives on racism. Racism is the animating emotion of its base. Racism gives Republicans the solid South. The nice clean oligarchs don’t share the personal sentiments of the racists, but they love them — they use them to maintain their power.
David Neiwert keeps us up on how the hard right more and more infiltrates the mainstream and his description is true. But this could not happen if one of the two poltical parties had not chosen to embrace racism as a strategy to win and maintain power.
As long as we allow this, America is morally foul.
It feels like you are saying that if you are against illegal immigration you are racist.
You point out several violent acts, and the latent underlying racist trend on the side of those who think this is an issue. But you do not seem to acknowledge the same tendencies on the side of the immigration movement. Are you suggesting that whites are the only group which has violent tendencies?
It also seems like you are not acknowledging that racism is a two way street. For example, my wife teaches in the Los Angeles area and has a very large percentage of hispanic students who openly admit that they HATE white people.
Racism is a problem that ALL people have to deal with, as it can come from many different places.
Immigration has placed many people, especially here in southern california and perhaps in AZ and TX, at odds to each other. Middle class white Americans view immigration as a threat. And immigrants view Middle class white Americans as a barrier to their percieved liberties. I have heard ignorant things from both sides. But to take the side of one at the expense of the other does not help the situation.
Wow, what a powerful read! Geez did that need saying. Thank you!!!!
Who pays these losers to talk. We have nothing better to worry about (according to this person you mention) than white guilt, and who invented what?
People are different colors…get over it.
I would pray that “white guilt” over slavery and atomic bombs and stockpiling 10’s (100’s?) of thousands of nukes with our buddies USSR might keep us from this manifest destiny propaganda for a while longer.
Ignorant intellect.
And illegal immigration is just one small thing in this guys comments – it sounds like a wedge for a fear & pride combo ticket.
Well, what do you know. What serendipity!
I was just talking up the TCM series (Tuesday and Thursday evenings all throughout the whole month of May) in the thread below, and here is one of my very favorite people in the world, Mr. Neiwert, mentioning it as an intro to his FDL piece.
I’ll be back here later tonight to scarf down every single one of David’s words a bit later, along with all the great comments, but for now I’m going back to the TCM series.
They’re currently in the middle of the 1927 version of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.” I just had to pop back over to the ‘puter to see what was up with the mysterious disappearing and reappearing new thread.
I’m so happy to see who our guest poster is, because as I said here just yesterday, David Neiwert is unique in what he does, priceless. No one else covers the racist/fascist threat to this nation in such detail and with such insight as he does.
Now it’s back to the evil Simon Legree and the long-suffering Eliza.
The Republicans in Power lust for the 1950’s. They want women at home in pearls and apron waiting for the man to come home and make the important decisions. They want the brownskinned people to “know their place”, a subserviant place, doing all the hard work that is too beneath them and their ilk to dirty their hands doing.
They want pure little daughters who want to be just like mom when they grow up. They want power over other people’s lives but insist they are above the law.
They want their Cold War back. They want a scared populace doing duck and cover at their beck and call. It is all about power, power over others makes them feel better about themselves.
Power and control. Racism is just one way they operate.
No Irish Need Apply —
Read Mark Twain’s Roughing It —
Racism is the antagonism of one tribe against another; different skin color is not required.
Don’t know if this has been mentioned on another thread, but if not –
Go check out the WaPo op-ed “My Guantanamo Diary” by Mahvish Khan, a law student at U of Miami who’s been to Gitmo as a translator nine times;
and then you can hand it to yr favorite neighborhood racist and dare them to deny the folks that are imprisoned there deserve, as Khan says, less rights than the iguanas at Gitmo, which are protected by the Endangered Species Act.
Why do Republicans hate Hispanics?
If they want to give us all the Latino voters, they can keep all the skinheads. I’m down with that trade. I’ll take the growing demographic over the shrinking one.
I think the Republican leadership is very, very scared the base won’t turn out in November. That’s why they’re cranking up the Brown People Fear Machine. It’s really a stupid, short sighted move, politically, as well as morally bad. Heckuva job, guys!
YOu’re my codliver oil David. I know you are good for me, but I flinch.
Today, at a stoplight, I was behind a truck that had a faded flag decal and right after that the words: “It’s a WHITE thing, you wouldn’t understand it”
I’m 5′2″ blonde and today was driving a truck (driverside window down). The shaved head (so are my nephews, so that doesn’t really bother me) 20something looked in his rearview and grinned at me. I’m pretty nonconfrontational, but his grin provoked me to take my thumb and turn it down. The anger in his face, spitting out the window, gunning his motor – it was as if his mother disowned him. So much anger, just awaiting a trigger.
Racism wins in Herndon, Virginia:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01805.html
darkblack 18
…one of the good goys…
where’d jew hear that?
Woodrow Wilson was a Princeton academic and Governor of New Jersey before he was elected President — but he was a Georgia Southerner before he went North.
Woodrow Wilson thoroughly enjoyed Birth of a Nation, and endorsed it’s overt racism. It was this failure of character that betrayed and destroyed the first Progressive Movement in America.
When Franklin Roosevelt was elected President, he called himself a Liberal — because the word progressive had fallen into disgrace.
Sound familiar?
In the Spring of 1945, LIFE magazine ran a story on their editorial page that began, I’m a Liberal too, but . . . — the point being, Conservative had been turned into a dirty word, by FDR and the New Deal Era.
Sound Familiar?
Where do you think the modern GOP Reactionaries got their playbook?
As usual, I’ve been listening to the BBC in the background as I read here, and earlier I heard a comment that I found painful. I am sorry I don’t know where it came from, but the gist was that illegal immigrants are taking jobs that unemployed blacks should have.
I haven’t completed all the links, but your commentary is, as always, powerful. The immigration issue is complex, but rhetoric like I heard tonight and when I linked to one or two of the sites simply fuels the fire of hate. I have concerns now about the increased involvement of the US in the Darfur issue. I believe it is long overdue and crucial and that our country should be ashamed of neglecting our moral responsibility. But I wonder what these hate groups will do with it in communities where refugees from Nigeria and the Sudan have emigrated and settled. Shame, shame, shame.
ck
right now, it looks like the Republican’s are using the Goebbels play book…when they use a play book at all, and aren’t just making crazy-ass shit up.
Faulkner did not write “in fact.”
Faulkner didn’t have a blog, either. Loser.
Mary, beautifully stated.
and
Pachacutec, I didn’t know about that, how terrible. How deeply ironic that the guy who won is a health club person, huge donation to the common good. Where will he get his healthy veggies if the migrants leave?
Punaise:
Ask BobbyG…I thought he brewed it up.
;>)
If illegal aliens break the law and feel they are entitled to citizenship, then they are showing by example how life should be in the United States.
Likewise, I should be able to sit across from your six year old daughter in a restaurant, lay out a line of coke on the table and snort away. Or, pull out a needle and shoot up heroin.
We simply quit enforcing laws and bless those who break them. Or, are you trying to rationalize that some instances are justified while others are not?
rocksaw-
Racism really only has meaning when it is perpetrated by the race in power. Eliminate that, and the hatred that your wife speaks of will disappear, magically.
rcauthen– read it the day it was published. thank you for linking to it tonite. I have hated this part of us for a long time and will for a long time to come, I will fight this and kick myself silly everyday until we rectify this…if we ever can.
Racism is alive and well here and the many have jumped on board…
But our country– both dem and rethug– is participating in the worst example imaginable. Forget for a minute our revered founding fathers, what about our true beliefs? What about our parents, our grandparents, our great- grandparents, our ancestors and every thing we’ve been taught? Was it hatred or tolerance?
God. Yahweh. Buddha. The Goddess, etc. Did any Deity exhort us to hate or kill or even fear one another. No. It is a human instinct and a human act. Other animals kill to simply survive. We now kill to reign, not to coexist. We kill to dominate and subdue. I have never heard of a herd of animals killing wantonly and indiscriminately (including a feeding frenzy by sharks) that was not meant to satisfy simple hunger. Yet, supreme humans quite often slaughter the weak in order to claim superiority.
I have never owned, shot, or wanted a gun and yet I would do all of that and more to protect my loved ones and my country… it is why I understand the compulsion that occupied and war ravaged people fight back. THAT to me is the only just war.
National security can only be preserved by nurturing our humanity.
G’nite, friends. Sorry for the ranty purge.
put away the spoon.
do not feed.
37 CLETER
No snark intended. Just that the source for the quote is wrong. For a place that struggles to get facts right, right Jane?, better be consistent.
Why do Republicans hate Hispanics?
If they want to give us all the Latino voters, they can keep all the skinheads.
Courting the Latino Vote was key to Karl Rove’s strategy for a permanent GOP majority — and he was that close to pulling it off.
http://www.coronadoproject.com…..amp;p=memo
Over the last three election cycles, the Democratic Party has lost 28 percent of market share among Hispanic voters. This lost share represents crucial winning margins in states like Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado — all states that could have helped John Kerry become President.
But all of that has been thrown away — mute testimony to how desperate it has become in the BushCo bunker.
That they would court the racist vote instead of Latinos, means they are scraping the maggots off of the bottom of the BushCo barrel. There is no future for this den of thieves — surviving November is their only goal . . .
One more thing, a survey released today reveals how little we, as a young nation, have progressed:
>>>>>>
The US may be the world’s only true superpower but global domination does not equal global knowledge. A new survey shows young Americans have what can only be described as shoddy geography skills, with six out of 10 unable to locate Iraq on a map and almost half incapable of pointing to the state of Mississippi.
Traditionally, the US has bowed to the idea of isolationism, hoping that geography in the form of vast oceans can help act as a protection from other nations. But the survey suggests that such an attitude- both culturally and in terms of interest in overseas travel – is having a woeful impact on Americans’ ability to learn about the wider world.
>>>>>
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..361584.ece
The cspan rebroadcast ended a while ago. i’ve been catching up since then. and it is time to go to bed.
angie, thanks again for the original reference to the Bolton hearing. the 2nd part was not shown, but the first half was worth every minute.
BobbyG, my heartfelt sympathies. I took time out to visit your site tonight. I hope you and your ladylove have a good reunion. wishes for peace and happiness.
‘nite all.
g’nite Leslie, g’nite all.
i’m not sure what i’m going to say here but i feel like i’m going to, maybe, at least seem like a devil’s advocate. i don’t believe that racism is dead. in the u.s., or in any other country for that matter. sometimes it’s the result of wars or violence (koreans are still angry at the japanese), sometimes it’s differences of religion and/or class (the northern sudanese find the southern sudanese inferior). sometimes it’s a matter of the color of one’s skin, or facial features. it is difficult to parse the rejection alterity prompts. and sometimes it’s all wrapped up in tradition. and all of the above relate in some way to identity and territory.
when i came back to the u.s. after being away for ten years at the end of august 2001, i had just gotten settled in when the lid blew off. a few weeks after 9/11 i began to see all of this really disgusting language regarding arabs and muslims in general. it was shocking to me and i call the perpetrators racist. when i called them on it i was castigated, indignantly, for using the word racist. it was as though the word was passe. it’s meaning had been drained. it was an empty shell, or so they were attempting to bully me into believing.
we progressives, liberals, or leftists should, however, reconsider the idea of tradition. we should embrace tradition as something to continue to value and respect. it is part of our identity as well, not simply the consolation of “conservatives”. i, too, love jimi hendrix’s version of the national anthem. but i also understand the preference that many people have for the “old fashioned” arrangement. part of the reason we have become so fragmented as a nation is loss of things that were traditional and have been lost. there are americans who are good people who have been alienated from progressive ideas as a result of these broken traditions. we have lost them and in the process we have lost elections and the possibility to lead the country in a better direction.
There was something this week on the local news about Chris Simcox in Arizona about his accounting practices, not being a non-profit and where is ALL that money going. I cannot find anything on a short search but the jist of the story is compaints from donors & the guys who are down on the border. They want to know where those $10,000 checks are going because these guys are down there on their own, no port-a-potties, food or any supplys. It is bring ALL your own if you are going to be a boarder watcher.
Some of the old codgers being interviewed look like your clasic hate anyone of color and they were really sour on the Mintuemen with how poorly they are being treated. Stating they have seen large checks being passed to Simcox.
One of the local stations did interview Simcox about the donations, lots of song & dance not to give real answers. But he did state he has recieved approx 150,000 individual donations and finally said he has recieved around $250,000 which made the reporter really astounded saying that there that many people donating $2.00 checks….
There was also investigation into if Simcox had done any IRS filing for his group and if the donors are telling the truth, that checks in the thousands were given to him, he is just getting rich off of HATE!
As the mother of two non-white children this issue is upfront and personal. If they first come for the Mexicans (approprate term here in AZ) then next they will be after the asians …. which will be my kids next…. If they pass laws to deny birthright citizenship to the children of immigrants, that means my own grandchildren would be denied their American Citizenship even though my kids are naturalized. YOU just do not know how far these racist ReThugs will go.
I have often thought the young supremisist movement in the U.S. has an erie silence over the past few years, at least in the media. My guess is large percentages are in the armed services and will someday come home ready to spread newly acquired skills. What we all spend the most of our public resources on. Who in our land would want a paid invitation to learn the tactics of armed war more? Just guessing.
This country has come a long way, yet we are still only just begining to heal and learn from the civil rights movement. Ignoring our history and present situation as this story points out so well, along with our wars, ignoring Darfur, Katrina denial, gated communities, to name a few giant examples.
Thank you for maintaining an eye on this important issue, ignoring hatred will not make it go away.
rcauthen28 – thanks for the link. I’m getting to disheartened to stay awake and keep the wheels spinning. Here’s hoping for dreamless sleep.
Racism is Tribalism — the weak and fearful retreat into their tribal group, and throw stones and outsiders.
The secure and self confident have the strength of character to see beyond tribal differences.
The shock of 9/11 tipped the balance of American character from self confidence to fear; Bush/Rove seized the opportunity, and we will pay the price for decades to come.
throw stones at outsiders; not and –
good for you, angie.
I may be alone on this thread, going to bed in a minute, but I think that in the light of what we read here tonight and in r.cauthen’s link, in the tribal killings in Iraq and in Darfur, the choice becomes ever more clear. We can’t allow our country and our Constitution to continue on this path of insatiable power for power’s sake. When the Bill of Rights was so carefully crafted, when the government was in its infancy, the dreams for this nation were for peace and equality, for prosperity and justice for all people. I look at my country with a growing sense of shame and sorrow. All of our divisions are manmade and sustained by hate and fear. When did America become anyone’s personal property? Remember when you were little and were in school saying the “Pledge of Allegiance”? Did you ever just feel really proud? Did you ever have a little flutter in your heart? I did. More than a few times. America was so much more than a thing to be had; it was an idea, a notion of the way things could be; it was leaders and neighbors and good. It was the American Dream.
One of the differences I see between myself and the Republicans is that when I disagree with something I read or see from them, I don’t seem to have a knee-jerk reaction to point a finger and scream, Traitor. When did one party become more American than the other? Why is my opinion less valuable because it is different? I read so often on townhall or redstate that liberals are “crazy” or “stupid” or “ignorant”, but if that person needed my very specialized care, would it matter? Would I be ignorant then?
I don’t think that the majority of us at firedoglake are as interested in being perjorative or ugly as we are in moving our country forward in a way that can be safe and fair for everyone, where compassion is as important as power and where the least of us is as honored as the greatest. When we are verbally derisive, I always feel a little let down, but I know it comes from a place of deep and long-harbored frustration, not a place of real hate. When I visit redstate or LGF or freerepublic, I feel fear because the language there is so loaded with meanness and derision, as though the commenters could reach through my screen to lash out at me.
It’s 2am and since I’m mostly alone here, I think, just for old time’s sake….
I Pledge Allegiance
to the Flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic
for which it stands;
One Nation, under God
indivisable
With Liberty and Justice
for all.
Steele is wrong in just every way you can be. Here is just two that stuck in my craw. The idea of just war and the laws of war started with Muslims and Catholics in the middle ages -that was about arabs fighting arabs and white people fighting white people. These ideas got a big boost from mid 18th through end of 19th century in Europe -more white people fighting white people. Certainly the Geneva Conventions were about how to head towards minimal war, and this was a very white on white affair of late 19th century Europe.
And another thing, we are supposed to believe that there were no white people in the US advocating “minimal war” back before white guilt was supposed to popular. So there were no whites in the US protesting treatment of Native Americans in the 19th century? No whites protesting Mexican War, no whites protesting US suppression of Philippine independence? Mark Twain didn’t have to apologize for suggesting the US adopt the skull and crossbones as the national flag?
Damn funny how conservatives like this can show the most grotesque kind of ignorance -that they would condemn and wail about as showing the decline of standards. Yet they walk around without a doubt in their heads about their superior knowledge and wisdom. It is a phenom deserving of scientific study.
I like my pledge the old fashion way
I Pledge Allegiance
to the Flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic
for which it stands;
One Nation, indivisable
With Liberty and Justice
for all.
wesgpc #56
Exactly. The abolitionists should have kept their mouths shut; then everything would be hunky-dory today. Has Mr. Steele asked himself where that would have left him, I wonder?
david, thank you for such a thoughtful and thought-provoking article.
as always, your writing gives me both cause for concern and the needed energy to push for change.
I think we should try a Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish.
rocksaw: But to take the side of one at the expense of the other does not help the situation.
I agree. Illegal immigration is not, in a number of very significant ways, a good versus evil issue, and it has no easy solution. There are literally billions of impoverished people in the world. If we take them all into our system, one by one, the point will come when even the best and most unselfish among us reaches an intolerable level of personal suffering. Right now, it’s only staggering health insurance premiums. When it comes down to starvation, it will really start to hurt … physically. And make no mistake that that’s exactly what it will come down to if we try to do the right thing for all of humanity. Hundreds of thousands of innocent, wonderful human beings are dying every day. How much of your own comfort … how much of your very survival … are you willing to put on the line to save how many of them? If someone held guns to heads of your parents, and you could only save one, which would you save? It’s that kind of unthinkably terrible choice that lies at the heart of this. It’s not a political issue. It’s a human tragedy. Of course we have to take care of the illegal Mexicans here. We know them — we’ve seen their faces — we’ve heard their voices — they’re our friends and neighbors — at least where I live. What about the other 52 million Mexicans still in Mexico? And Mexico is one of the less impoverished countries in THIS hemisphere — think of Africa. Where does it stop? Sure, I sent a $200 check to the Red Cross for the Katrina victims. But I didn’t sell my house and send the proceeds, now did I? Did you?
I had long since given up on “the left” for being essentially hypocritical — for sipping $9 a glass chardonnay while preaching about the rights of the impoverished. It took the unbelievable crimes of Bush, Cheney & Rove to bring me back into the fold and stir me to righteous indignation once again. And I am no fucking doubt righteously indignant, but when we’ve gotten rid of these bastard crooks, and we’re left with real problems that need real solutions, it’s not going to be so easy to tell right from wrong.
This new crop of crooked Republicans and phony Christians is ruining our objectivity. Everything they say and do is so unquivocally evil and inexcusable that we’ve become conditioned to expect a simple right & wrong answer to every issue. Well, I, for one, am not a college student any more. I’ve been there and done that, and I’m not about to be fooled again.
One commenter referred to trolls on this post. I hope they weren’t referring to rocksaw #21 and fahrender #49, because I think they make valid points. One reason why Steels’s “odd white bigot†passage is BS is that it is true that many whites are resentful of what they perceive as unfair advantages given to minorities. When you put that together with stagnant or declining wages for many low skilled whites and increased uncertainty, that produces many unconscious white bigots. We all know them. Many of them have “best friends†who are black or Hispanic or Asian or whatever, but when they start talking about faceless communities, they talk like racists. The GOP southern strategy could not have succeeded without there being many of these people.
I do believe that there is institutional racism. I’ve lived at times in the poor inner city, and the very very poor boondocks. I’ve lived in places where I have seen with my own eyes how young African-Americans (book them, carefully following procedure), Hispanics (beat him up, prolly illegal anyway, so what’s he gonna do?), and whites (hey, dude, chill, or you’ll get a really stern warning next time) have been treated differently. And there is always a reason at had that doesn’t directly concern race.
Yet I think it is dishonest to say that it is easy to cure institutional racism, using tools such as affirmative action in hiring, without perceived individual level discrimination against whites. I believe I have seen instances of that too. In fact, twice I have been privately told that I missed an job opportunity for, well, you know, uh, delicate political reasons when competing against some minority. My own thinking was, frankly, “Well, so what? I am a white man and I got oodles of opportunities, something else good will turn up for me. And if we were the finalists, who knows for sure, anyway? Probably not the person who gave me their opinion†(and it was their opinion, not a fact, if one were to be objective about it.)
A whole lot of people don’t see it that way. They would take the helpful tipster’s opinion as fact. They don’t perceive alternative opportunities. So then you get racial resentments, and lawsuits, and lots of angry frustrated white marks for GOP subliminal racist appeals.
What the point? I agree with this insightful post. But we have to look at the big picture and have the guts to confront the GOP racist strategy across the board. These GOP strategists have said that they do not mind working class people getting squeezed so they are more susceptible to resentment and hatred. They do not mind passing crappy bogus international corporate welfare treaties with the words “free trade†in them that will impoverish Mexican lower classes and drive them over the border. In fact that is a great strategy: create an undocumented immigration problem and use it for domestic political advantage. After many places in Mexico are emptied of working age people then the kids and oldsters are easier to rip off. Criminalizing the undocumenteds will effectively lower their wages and working conditions here in the US, and the deportees back to Mexico will end up working for even lower wages in maquilladoras at the border. (hey kids, remember back in the day, then those were in the news and going to create a new Mexican middle calss. Wha happened?)
Conclusion: I think David Niewert is correct as far as he goes, but I think we also need to think about how t convince all the non-wingnuts who are susceptible to subliminal bigotry that they are being used in this game.
I will leave inevitable corollary about how this is another reason centrist Democrat strategy is a pathetic loser as an exercise for the reader. (you know that was coming, huh?)
David,
Best ultra-long post here I can remember. Almost too much brought up to comment upon unless I want to type here until dawn.
Yiddish, Samoan, W singing the anthem en espanol. Porque?
For the end of racism and religious intolerance as those Yiddish, Samoan and Hispanic citizens had known it, that’s porque.
I use Hendrix and his “Star-Spangled Banner” at Woodstock as a metaphor in my music appreciation class. In the class, I try to show that once one talented or ingenious musician has shown the rest of us that some new technique is not only usable but awesome, the rest of us merely have to learn how to do it. The fact that one might have to work harder and practice longer hours to accomplish mastery is part of why the advancement is important. That technique eventually becomes another step along the way of cultural evolution. Every year I hear another eighth-grade guitarist spending hours and hours hoping to get that icon of American patriotic music down.
The meme from the right that racism is over in America is one of the many faulty doctrines they teach which we can use as a wedge.
You see, to them, it doesn’t matter that there have been other renditions of the National Anthem in other languages. For them, it’s the same thing as those dirty Mexicans who were waving Mexican flags: they polluting our culture. They’re taking away our lily-white, English-speaking past and replacing it with a multilingual, multiracial present.
This is very reminiscent of the ugly racism of le Front National in France under Le Pen. Subsititute “North-African Arab” (magrehbin) for “Mexican”. They’re defending a mythic monolithic culture, “les Francais de bonne souche” (the French of pure strong roots, more or less). Intermixed with a strong anti-semetic strain.
obsessed #61 too, huh? See, lots of people get a bit ruffled by liberal and progressive lectures on racism. I do not think they are all trolls. Sermons on racism are needed, especially now. Bad stuff might be brewing that needs to be prevented, or impeded, if possible. But we need to find arguments and perspectives that answer these kinds of concerns.
Anybody who says (or actually believes) that racism is dead in America is either stupid or lying to you.
Way, Way OT
Here’s the Storm Track site if anyone wants to bookmark it. It’s run by a Yale grad student named Bryan Woods. He’s got a pretty good sense of humor about the weather, and a good eye for what’s important. I get the feeling he doesn’t think much of Dr. Gray, and judging from how bad Gray’s forecast was off last year. I agree with him….click here
From Steele’s column:
There are no serious advocates of white supremacy in America today, because whites see this idea as morally repugnant.
This isn’t just wrong, it’s a goddamn lie. There are no serious advocates of white supremacy in America today, because racism is no longer respectable and thus most racists eschew explicit avowals of white supremacy.
Perhaps why Steele so miscontrues the issue is that, for the last 30 years or so, racism has been less about controlling black people than about controlling white people. Racism is the crack cocaine of political discourse. Its function isn’t so much to oppress people of color as to seduce working class white people into forsaking their natural, economic interests for the transitory psychological pleasures of hating and feeling superior.
Americans are the only people I know who are positively insulted when someone tries to speak to them in another language.
Different facial expressions, carriage, clothing and body language also insult them. People don’t seem to realize that a person is not “speaking American†in that regard, and see these differences in Asians or Africans for instance, as insults. Americans can be very insulting about Asian food as well; e.g. “it smells terrible,†nadada, when in fact these are really yummy dishes that are being cooked. Then there’s driving. Honk if you see an Asian. This is particularly acute in the South.
Things that make you go Hummz,
~ Estimates are that by 2020, Anglo Americans will be the minority.
~ The cultural history of America is one that is historically driven by the need to oppress the brown skinned person. First you have the Native Americans that the white man killed to have this land. Then you have the African, whom the white man enslaved to work the land. Then you have the Asian who built on this land. And of course the Hispanic who again works this land.
~ Best of all, we have the Arab. Who has the oil that we conquer his land to claim it as our own.
Now let’s talk about racism. Tony “Snowman” left a chill for me. I read what he said and somehow I felt compelled to mention to myself, The more distant that racism becomes an “UGLY MEMORY”, the more present it becomes to our current reality. What’s next? We’ll be teaching our youth that racism no longer exists and that the dispersions shown toward other societies or cultures is to be considered “NORMAL” ? And the shirt color will be . . . GREEN?
I have long contended that America’s biggest plague unto herself IS racism. While we claim to be THE MELTING POT of societies, we tend to do it best with our own kinds. This is why races tend to segregate themselves. But America, the home of the free? If you’re white.
Along that line of segregated societies and history, I have also long contended that America’s fascination with the BROWN RACES is equivalent to the 1930’s era Germanic States fascination with the Jews. While Hitler had his Jews and Europe was his battle field, so does Bush have his Arabs and the Middle East is his battle field. I mean, come on, America doesn’t attack Indonesia for their al-Qaeda cells, or Spain, or Great Brittan.
What gives?
Last weekend, I got an e-mail containing the following:
See? Not only is bigotry patriotic, it pays well, too!
wesgpc
#40
“throw them all in jail”
In fact if there is a travel book on safe places to go outside Northeastern America for persons of color, Asians and interracial couples, I’ll buy. By safe, I mean some hard to define level of tolerance where people are just less hurtful, more aware and more sympathetic to other human beings. It can be very wearing.
I was in London when the bombing of Kosovo and Serbia began. The second day of the campaign, we walked into an Albanian restaurant near the zoo. When the owner found out we were American, he refused to let us pay. We had a wonderful meal, interrupted by numerous toasts to “BEEL CLINTON!!!”
Near the end, one of the young Albanians told me, “Your country will never forgive Clinton for being the only American president to bomb white people since World War II.”
Gyro Gear Lo*se #67: thanks for that weather/climate site. It looks very good.
Liberals must aggressively fight myths that anything phenomena that reactionaries want to use as a wedge issue is a problem created by liberals, or a harbanger of some new sinister force of evil and Something Wrong in the World.
So now the US national anthem (which started as a drinking song) is violated if some one translates the lyrics. I hope FDL publishes the words to Anacreon in Heaven, so the blog can be accused of subverting patriotism with a subliminal message advocating boozer hetero promiscuity. Of course there are dozens of translations going back a century.
There are other examples. Undocumented drivers licenses in CA are a legacy of crazy radical liberal 70s, when in fact they were around something like 80 years.
Lousy crime ridden housing projects and redevelopment schemes in Chigago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco were crazy radical liberal dreams. Certainly they were not big money real estate scams masquerading as progress. Interesting how the Native Americans, Japanese, Chinese and African Americans in SF and LA saw that very clearly and protested the destruction of their communities at the time. The reactionaries who want racial wedge issues either never learned what really happened or knowingly falsify.
Anyway, all this stuff feeds into white urban myths that seriously work against true progress.
Great idea David, and every language out there. When I talk on IM’s with my friends in Belgium and elsewhere whom are naturally fluent in several languages they talk about how it is sad many or most Americans come off as being such self centered rubes and lacking in true culture, and history. Most Americans have no clue how horrified Europeans were to see what happened with the neglect and deaths of Katrina and cancelled their bank drafts.
Another U.S. friend online argued with me tonight about everything should be English only, I said since I am Native American should I demand it be in Ojibwe or other true “Native” languages instead? It’s exactly why I commented one night to a troll that illegal immigration has been going on since circa 1492. My historical book Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee is the one book I’ve only been able to read once. Being Native though we welcome all peoples, everyone is All Our Relations and all living things are treated with reverence, honored, and respected. Any form of racism is an insult to our sensibilities and hearts, our way of life. People ignore that they need to not only act honorably but be honorable and humane. Racism is a grave and mortal sin, that harms their very soul. Their victims are the ones who progress spiritually by lightyears while the racists regress.
Thank You for this well done article.
OT – Josh Marshall has a bit more tonight on Shirlington Limousine, Cunningham, Wilkes, and other defense contractor types:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..008350.php
Oops, sent the post before it was finished. Here’s the whole thing.
I was in London when the bombing of Kosovo and Serbia began. The second day of the campaign, we walked into an Albanian restaurant near the zoo. When the owner found out we were American, he refused to let us pay. We had a wonderful meal, interrupted by numerous toasts to “BEEL CLINTON!!!â€
Near the end, one of the young Albanians told me, “Your country will never forgive Clinton for being the only American president to bomb white people since World War II.â€
I told him that many Americans are confused on who is white or not, “as if it matters.” He laughed and said “You’re right, Americans think Jews are white, Arabs are not, Serbs are white, Alabanians are not. So, I am right, he is bombing white people and he will not be forgiven for this.”
The original words to our national anthem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Anacreon_in_Heaven
Chorus:
And long may the Sons / Of Anacreon intwine
The Myrtle of Venus / With Bacchus’s Vine.”
I’ve always imagined a thick lush moist kind of myrtle growing in picturesque cracks and crevices. And a stout vine, with stout branches. For a strong stout country.
Of course, Native Americans are said to be the first immigrants from Asia. There is a connection– no matter how far flung– that seems to interest a lot of Chinese. A friend of mine is really fascinated by Mayan writing, because it resembles that of an earlier dynasty. It’s really amazing how some of the motifs look so similar but span mega amounts of time and space. I once picked up a book and started to read Zuni/Japanese connections, but didn’t have the patience. Will do so again, at a later date
mui,
When I was in junior high scxhool and wanted to be an archeologist, I read all the books of a guy named George Churchwood.” He wrote about Lemuria, a Pacific version of Atlantis. He did many comparisons of Mayan and Aztec idiograms with those of Asia in the first milleium B.C. I think the guy was overall loony, but, you’re right, recent scholarship and computer analysis is making headway solving the dilemma of trans-Pacific contacts in the centuries before Columbus.
Mu = Lemuria, mui…..
I like that Mu=Lemuria. I am a little more proletarian though. Mui=sister.
There is also a book that is not well accepted by historians, but very fun to read and food for thought, entitled: When China Ruled the Seas, or something like that. A retired British navy guy wrote it. The Chinese were into exploration at one point, but probably not to the extent that our author claims.
Ed*ard, it is also said that the Lemurian words for “I love you” were: I Trust You.
RE: “Hoe Down” as Josh called it tonight. That lastest post is amazing by the way. Ed Rollins was Charlie Rose tonight and he said he had heard that there was, “this tight little cabal on the Armed Services Comm. wrapped-up in this”.
Josh is really poshing this story along. That Limo service was gettin’ some huge contracts from HSD.
Aw the sleep thing. I feel it coming on now. Good night all.
One more thing on the Rose show. George Step. from ABC was sittin’ in as host, and he said that the AP was reporting that Jack Abramoff or one of his minons made over 200 trips to the White House in the first 10 months of 2001.
“I love the smell of indictments in the morning.”
OT: Not sure if anyone has really read this, but eriposte’s latest analysis of the Iraq uranium claims is exactly why the blogs like FDL and the Left Coaster should be required reading for anybody wearing a tux last Saturday at the Washington Hilton.
If you’re not into details, the thoughtful conclusion is that the word “sought” as in “sought significant quantities” was complete bullshit from the beginning because the documents indicated that the uranium was “purchased.” They didn’t learn that uranium was sought, they saw a dubious claim that it was purchased and softened it to make the claim easier to defend.
My point above is that for every one of the insiders like Mike McCurry who whine about blogs, there are dozens of “reporters” writing about how we got into Iraq who know less than one percent about it as eriposte and have exhibited less than a billionth of eriposte’s diligence.
But you all know that anyway.
anybody wearing a tux
Or a gown!
I’m muuing for Josh to milk ‘hoe-down” like he has so many other calamities of the hypocritical right.
When does Mr. Marshall get a guest post here? Or Laura Rozen? Maybe they’re too busy, but they have done so much to document the atrocities.
night.
one digby’s commenters found the choicest quote, from joseph conrad’s heart of darkness:
To say nothing of the large scale disenfranchisement of minority groups through voter suppression during at least the last two presidential elections! An important effect of the new corporatism is that the rich get richer, and this reinforces existing inequalities that are the bricks and mortar of racism. On this standard you could argue that the systemic effects of institutionalized racism have recently been more severe than in the late 20th century, because things like environmental degradation and the underfunding of social programs also disproportionately effect minority groups.
Looking at this politically here is the smart play. You use Zulu ‘ Impi’ tactics to rip the DLC,MSM,GOP blob of shit in the ‘ center’ ( that is really red/brown fascist totalitarianism) a huge big MASSIVE new one.
And don’t tell me that can’t be done loosely co-ordinated informally on the net because it already has been. Look at Europe – they have common currency and Shengen travel arrangements ( no hated pass laws ) but they have no big central state with associated armed forces. That Uberstate proposal was just ripped down with the Impi tactics and the referendum.
Common currency and Shengen travel – SI!
Fortress Amerikkka – NEVER!
” If you seek peace; if you seek prosperity for the United State’s AND South America. If you seek liberalization… Senor chimpyhawk Arbusto – TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! “
One of the reasons I believe that overt racism is becoming more visible on the right is because leading republicans like Sen. George Allen keep reassuring the racists that most Americans agree with them. Rather than shamefully hiding their racist tendencies, the republicans are sending the message that it’s OK to come out of the closet, since these repugnant ideas supposedly represent the majority view in America. I know I shouldn’t be, but I’m constantly amazed at the depths to which the republican party will sink in order to maintain their grip on power.
when they say it isn’t so..it is…
Southwest border racism is alive and well, thanks for posting this subject for discussion. In Queens NY I live around tens of thousands of Mexican immigrants as well as many others from every part of the universe (Men in Black II). I don’t feel the (hate immigrants shtick) here so I was very surprised and discusted in things I experienced recently on a trip in the southwest. The border police and DHS are out in force down there, lots of fresh money infused. Increased boarder security overall is good although security’s been increased do to right wing fear pressure, racism and prejudices. Mexicans did not fly planes into buildings, Canada was a terrorist port of entry, Bushco’s corporate buddies like to exploit cheap non union workers, so why the hate Mexico campaign. Most the people I came across on the south west border were regurgitating as expected (Mex. hate), they didn’t seem to care much about Randy “Duke” Cunningham or Francine Busby, the NSA or Rove but they really knew they didn’t like Mexicans. Strange, after all the southwest was Mexico not so long ago. I commented for instance that America could do far worse than Mexico for a neighbor to which the hot tub’rs cackled “yea New Yorkâ€, (that’s true, New York doesn’t have oil). Large oil resource countries seem to have inordinate amounts of hate and fear propaganda directed toward them, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela and now Mexico. The U.S. tends to promote unstable governments in such places.
Great quote:
The past is not dead. In fact, it’s not even past.
– William Faulkner
What’s with this tendency towards 19th century syntax when wingnuts start letting the demon truth out:
“One is forbidden to speak thus, but it is simply true.”
That sentence is as far from basic grammar as Iowa is from Iran. It is as if the evil that they wish to bring out must be robed in some poetic remix of forefather-speak to legitimize their madness.
With bu$Cos policies sending wages into the toilet, now that (male) whitey is feeling the pain that minorities and women have been feeling for centuries, they have to have someone to knock for their pain. And God forbid they use half their brain and blame shitty gov’t policies and that good Xian bush.
Note who they get to counsel that it is time for white folk to get over their collective guilt and wipe out some brown people. Wouldn’t dare have a white man broach the topic, since that would be rude and all. Get them a nice well-spoken black man to do it.
Gotta admire (?) the depravity of it all. The shamelessness of this call for genocide. An African American is calling on the White Folk to commit genocide against the Brown Folk. Sounds like a plan, doesn’t it?
Back in the day, genocide against the Little Brown Brothers was always couched in gentlemanly terms of “betterment” for them and for the White Folks Who Were Their Rightful Lords and Masters. Of course if their “betterment” resulted in the extermination of the Little Brown Brothers, oh well! Nothing to be done about it, races come and they go, the way of the world, tutt tutt.
In fact, from the end of the 19th century through the first third of the 20th, it was taken for granted that Native Americans — as one example — would disappear from the face of the earth shortly, their race having lost in the battle for survival and all.
We ought not to make light of this call for genocide against those who resist the Imperial American Authority. In fact, it was just such sort of calls that helped justify the wars of extermination that so characterized the March of Anglo Saxon Progress when time was.
What astonished the Little Brown Brothers, however, was that these White Folks, so very superior, as unto the very gods themselves, went to war, wars of extermination, against each other, twice during the 20th Century, and because they did that, so very foolishly, their little world construct of Empire and Might went crashing down all around them, and we’re still living with the debris.
And so now, in their desperation (but a desperation with plenty of resources) we’re hearing calls to return to the glorious days of yesteryear, revive the practice of extermination of recalcitrant natives, and have done with it. Just wipe them out.
That’ll teach them a lesson they won’t forget.
Ed*ard Teller #78
Reminds me of a friend of mine. When she lived in Detroit, she was thought of as white (minority) and when her family moved back to Miami, she was known as Cuban (minority). People want to have someone to kick around. It’s the American way. For many anyway….that’s why I’m super happy to know of FDL, and theleftcoaster. Good people who don’t live with their heads in the sand.
Shez, I’m gonna email you when finals are over.
Watch the brown hate turn white, the strongest Mex. hate I’ve heard recently was from the mouths of Cuban immigrants.
ot, sorry
I just got an email from a friend that there’s a movement to boycott exxon and mobile for one year(one company now)so that they lower prices to compensate
I think that’s a great idea and might actually have an impact
I’m on board
The comments here are excellent.
Just want to add this: from the time I was pretty young I noticed that there is this really odd (to me) sexual component to racism.
I first noticed it when my (sadly racist) grandmother would be asked to babysit us kids while our parents were away at my dad’s annual industry conference which he had to attend for work. Grandmom would make me insane by reading every single newspaper article she could find which mentioned black criminals, but she seemed to get this weird shiver when reading to me (a kid of 11 or 12) about rapes. Since I started reading newspapers at a very young age back in the early sixties when newpaper reporters still felt free to highlight that criminals were black, I already knew that plenty of rapes and other violent crimes were reported without mentioning the race of the accused perp — those were obviously the white rapists/criminals, in whom my grandmother took no apparent interest.
I could hardly wait for mom and dad to get home.
Then when I was older I started noticing a phenomenon which I still notice to this day. White men who are racists really really hate it when white women aren’t “loyal” to the white guy fraternity.
I discovered this when I was young and single and used to go out for happy hour free food and cheap glasses of wine when I was in grad school. I have this unfortunate habit of saying what I think about matters of race, even when it doesn’t seem to be the most congenial situation. My grandmother had already taught me that I couldn’t abide hearing racist nonsense, unchallenged, under any circumstances.
I soon discovered that there were some white guys who felt that they could spew racist garbage in my presence simply because I also belong to their skin color “tribe.” This pisses me off no end, that white folks think they have the right to spit the most vile stuff to me simply because I’m also white. It’s so utterly offensive. So I talk back, and firmly demand that they never utter such stuff around me again, ever. Quietly I say this, politely, but show that I mean it.
Inevitably these guys would want to argue with me. Alcohol seemed to make them more likely to reveal the ugly stuff they might hide otherwise. Just as inevitably they would sooner or later ask the question which tormented them: “so, would you ever date one of them?” This was asked in sheer horror at the mere thought of such a thing. Then when I would reply “what do you mean, would I? I already have,” the look of fury on their faces would be stunning. As if I had personally insulted this guy who didn’t know me, by my own personal dating habits.
That’s when it sank in. These guys acted as though I was a disloyal little “sorority sister.” They were personally insulted. This still strikes me as somehow pathological, and a toxic brew of racism and sexism. Methinks there is a level of basic unconscious sexual insecurity that is running below the conscious surface of a lot of this stuff. I should mention that this sort of thing would happen with middle-class, even professional, “educated” white guys.
The intensity of sudden anger was so remarkable, that to this day I count it as lucky that nobody ever slashed my tires in the parking lot.
Just thought I’d toss it out there. Would be curious if others have similar experiences in this regard.
Don’t buy Exxon anyway although I’m sure their all evil, Citco -support Venezuela.
Nice 96
(poetic remix of forefather-speak)
ppp –
Yes, it’s ugly here in the Southwest in terms of anti-Mexican sentiment. This is nothing new, however. Sadly.
Remember that William Rehnquist, back when he was a young attorney in Arizona, got his start in the world of Republican hate tactics with suppression of the Mexican-American vote. That was a good few decades ago. There were very, very few black folk living in Arizona then (and still, demographically, not so many, but lots more than back then). Mexicans have long been the dark folk of choice to be despised by whites in the Southwest.
It’s sick.
“Nobody of importance preaches it. It’s rapidly becoming an ugly memory.”
Of course its not true, but republicans have learned to lower the screeching, speaking in racist coded language instead of outright screeching. Their lessened racist rhetoric by no means translates into a changed outlook. this is the insidious nature of today’s republicans – they have learned to hide their thoughts, conveying a public persona exactly the opposite to their true outlook.
The bushliar-criminal regime has fomented the worst class warfare, societal striation, and diverseness in American society in at least a generation. Subjugation and manipulation of the masses by and for the oligarchy for selfish greedy purpose remains as much or more the republican credo as it ever has been.
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Mrs. K8, the only time I’ve gotten harrassed in Lansing (college town) was in early ’80s when I, white gal, was walking with my black male friend. Chickenshits yelled from a car, and I think I yelled back. I’m sad to say, now that I’m back on campus here, things seem worse racially than they were back then.
So they’re saying “Racism is dead.”
Yea!!!
“Now lets bring it back”
Huh?
Sharon –
Glad to hear you yelled back. Where do they get off? And we’re supposed to believe there’s no more racism. Hah!
So what do you think? Is it a pathological, neurotic fear of having a small cock? Combined with thinking on a primitive level that they automatically “own” white women?
When I think about the fact that that poor Hispanic kid who is barely clinging to life in a Texas hospital as we speak was tortured almost to death because he was rumored to have kissed a white girl, I think that the kind of hatred that lay behind Emmett Till’s horrible murder so many years ago in the South (for a rumored daring to whistle at a white woman is still alive and well in some quarters. And to a lesser extent evident in the experiences of you and me?
It behooves us, perhaps, to understand this pathology better.
I’ve lived in many cities/neighborhoods/countries and racism/prejudice isn’t propagated alone by Euros. and their descendants; where it grows it should be rooted out but not replaced anew, reoriented or disguised. Maybe most never leave the comfort of their nest but racism/prejudice dose not belong to any one culture, race, sex or status it’s abundant and plentiful among all even to some degree within ourselves.
A friend of mine once told me of an incident at X university in the deep south. It happened in the last decade. An art student (white) decided to decorate a tree with tiny nooses. So in the morning black students were seen staring at the tree. Finally there was a complaint by one of the students. This student either pretended she didn’t realize the meaning of her “art” and didn’t know the history or didn’t care. Very, very typical. Even the rationalizations are just plain ugly.
“If there is still the odd white bigot out there surviving past his time”
IF???
You must be totally ignorant to write stuff like this.
Last time I read something about him, maybe half a year ago, David Duke was alive and well, and he still has thousands of fans.
No misunderstanding pls, of course I’m well aware that Shelby Steele is the ignorant moron.
O! That the white man’s guilt be merely for the treatment of the darker skinned! It’s not the guilt that drives racism…It’s fear! Hell! Racism is alive and well! It’s just more hidden toward the black man and Indian and has now bled, rather effortlessly, over the “brown” person of all nationalities…
The white man that writes it off out of white guilt or that says it is “in it’s last throes” is the man with his pale hands on the rope!
!ztiF
Hmmmmm….no Late Nite FDL thread.
Oh, well. New thread everyone!
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DW was the Leni Riefensthal of America.
His subject manner was disgusting but his
contributions to the art of film making
were hard to ignore.
Spudboy nails it. See “Mandingo” for the truth about racism.
(A friend of mine once told me of an incident) that’s how it gets started, but were different.
ppp,
That is what happened. I was in and out of X University. The person who told me is still a best friend. Please don’t insult me, by implying urban legend. Other faculty were talking. If you are trying to undercut my credibility, please don’t.
Noose incident was covered by the papers.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/…..i_68760416
David Neiwert. I don’t know whether to cheer you for writing this (and Christy and Jane for hosting it) or to weep. I got halfway down the comment thread and clicked on the wapo link to WaPo op-ed “My Guantanamo Diary†by Mahvish Khan and I am so horrified and ashamed at what this band of criminals is doing in my name. I just can’t read any more comments just now, but I will be back a little later to finish.
David, this one phrase said it all for me, “What Snow is doing is defining racism away.” That is what they have been doing with everything. The have redefined what it means to be a human being.
Incredibly ironic that these folks claim to eshew Darwinism, but the most pernicious misrepresentation (and least respected in the field of evolutionary biology btw) of the idea of the “Survivial of the Fittest.” They grab it and run with it – all the while, defining anything that is ‘not-them’ unfit or less-fit.
This site gives me hope. There are so many people out there in the day-to-day world who just can’t past finagling their credit card bills and pushing their kids ahead to hopefully live Ken Lay’s interpretation of the American Dream (that is a story worth following, there is an update in the WaPo everyday … and Kennyboy’s personna is so much like Clusterfuck’s it is not even cute). Here, I have hope that I will not have to face living in a world in which people think without the aid of their teevee sets.
Know this over-EPU’d – but I just had to get it off my chest.
. . . and then there is the “I just can’t believe it” rationalization. *You* must be making that up.
Immigrants who don’t assimilate are properly called “settlers.” When settlers achieve political ascendancy in an area, it becomes a “settler-colony.” Settler-colonialism is often denounced as “genocide” in anti-racist circles. With that in mind, google on “aztlan.”
It was a strong story you raised and I appreciate the link. I wish it had been up on the first post. The offense to the art itself appears to be rooted in the artworks insensitivity, ugly as the incident was I didn’t get the racial malicious intent. The artical points out more about that University, it’s community and our country that this student should be so unaware, insensitive or ignorant to American history.
Holy crap!
Y’all just gotta go read what Juan Cole says to Snitchens and all the warmongers in the country.
All the warmongers in Washington, including Hitchens, if he falls into that camp, should get this through their heads. Americans are not fighting any more wars in the Middle East against toothless third rate powers. So sit down and shut up.
One, two, three, four! We don’t want your stinking war!
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Way to go spudboy. You’ve done great work on this issue, and your friends from the old Fray have been noticing.
thanks to whomever it was that stood up for me and said i “wasn’t a troll” last night. i don’t think i am either! i do lurk, but that’s mainly because i want to be sure i have something to say before i say it.
Sharon (#106). My sister works at MSU and i’ve been there many times. we of a certain age have the perspective of seeing that the changes we thought had finally come about as a results of the activism/idealism of the ’50’s and 60’s haven’t become rooted and grown the way we would’ve liked. i think it’s true of every generation. the young have to be taught, over and over again. any altuism, any ideals that we manage to hold up and try to live by must be continually renewed. evil isn’t just obvious and shocking. it is more often mundane and insidious. it comes out of laziness and ignorance in many cases. in the u.s. we are so insulated from the harshness and struggles that are much more common for people in the rest of the word that we cannot imagine it. college students, the most privileged segment of our population, often fail to even attempt to imagine what is really going on. ostensibly, one would think, the college community have enough curiosity and critical thinking skills to have more insight but, as you have witnessed, it is, too often, not so.
What I thought was weird about Steele’s editorial was the notion that the only reason we didn’t go “all the way” in Korea, Vietnam or Iraq was because we were afraid of being perceived as racist imperialists.
Aside from the question of how “all the way” we went (Korea was a smoking ruin when we were done, and we hardly skimped on bombing Vietnam), it seems to me the reason we didn’t escalate further to WWII troop levels or use of the atomic bomb was that it was clear then and now that none of these wars was existential. When we were fighting Germany and Japan, we were defending Western civilization from extinction. This meant doing some pretty horrible things that under other circumstances we would (or should) recoil from–firebombing civilians, using atomic weapons (largely against civilians), allying ourselves with the USSR, interring Japanese-Americans in cencentration camps, etc. I’m certainly not defending all these actions, and I think it was right after WWII for us to feel uncomfortable and guilty about them. But given the stakes, one can see why these decisions were made at that moment.
In Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq, no one seriously felt that losing meant the end of democracy, freedom, and all the enlightenment values we hold dear. Consequently, nuking Hanoi or Falluja would have seemed simply barbarous, extreme, and fundamentally evil. We would have rightly become pariahs of the world. So we have refrained from going that far.
It’s not because we’re afraid of being perceived as racists–it’s because we are afraid of the consequences of being perceived as genocidal monsters. If this fear is what keeps the U.S. from, say, nuking Iran, then it is a good thing, and Shelby Steele can go to hell.
There was a nurse, Hispanic ancestry, who bought a house near the town where I was living in TX. Some people were ’sure’ she doing something illegal to get the money for the house – because she was Mexican. No evidence, didn’t bother to think that she worked, just ‘Mexican=can’t afford to buy without doing something illegal’.
The blacks mostly lived in a still-unincorporated area just outside the city limits. And I heard racist remarks about them too, sometimes.
RWB #127: ha ha! Good point. One reason that we didn’t “go all the way” in Korea was that McArthur really goofed up, miscalculated both commie Chinese intentions and ability… and we got our butts kicked all the way from the Chinese border down to the current demiliterized zone.
So, think about it. If McArthur had followed the containment strategy of the Damn Dem Preznit and comparitive lefty Truman, North Korea would be a small rump state now, a sliver hugging the Chinese border.
But NOOOO!! McArthur, after proving once again his military genius at Inchon, had show that he was fricken geopolitically and strategically smarter than the more cautious UN and Truman strategy. And he was sure as hell going all the way -he was going to clean up Red China!
And McArthur learned that you have earn your military genius stripes every damn day. And he got his butt but really really seriously kicked. Reeealllll good Red Chinese butt kicking of UN forces. After McArthur ignored a warning attack when UN got Ponyang, and went up to Chinese border.
Truman’s mistake was to let the go for it gang go for it. He should have held McArthur on a tighter leash.
See any parallels for today? The article was complete and utter fantasy, regarding lesons of history IMHO.
The offense to the art itself appears to be rooted in the artworks insensitivity, ugly as the incident was I didn’t get the racial malicious intent.
Noone can say the intent was real. What the students felt looking at the “art” was a different story.The incident just wasn’t that benign. BTW- I am still offended by your remark.
Far from having disappeared, racism seems to underlie everything BushCo does, from their care and feeding of wealthy (white) taxpayers to their “temporary guest worker” dodge (designed to keep minorities underpaid and invisible) to the invasion of Iraq (because those backward brown people over there don’t know what’s good for them but we do) — not to mention that much of the right-wing base views 9/11 as an attack by all Muslims against all Christians! A useful tool for dealing with these people is to assume that when they make silly statements like “Racism doesn’t exist any more” — they’re lying to cover up what they’re really doing.
BTW. It’s just like the whiteboys not be sensitive to strange fruit lore.
Holy crap!
Y’all just gotta go read what Juan Cole says to Snitchens and all the warmongers in the country.
Ditto . Holy crap. Having all these morally turpitudinal people, like Hitchens, around is like living in a room where sh*t keeps coming out of the walls.
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A tree decorated with nooses is a very powerful and very strong statement of something. Hard to believe anyone, particlarly a white person in US who knows anything about history, who claims they don’t see a racial aspect.
I am against simplifying racism and bigotry. Benjamin Franklin thought that one source of it was that it is very difficult for the oppressor to forgive the oppressed, or the person who wronged another to forgive the one who was wronged. Every subsequent transaction that implies equality reminds the oppressor of his/her past sins, which leads to attempts at denial of original wrong, or subliminal attempts to justify it. Franklin thought it was more difficult for guilty party to put aside past wrongdoings, if the guilty party had any conscience. I think this kind of white guilt may explain some of the weird psychology of whites wrt to current institutional racism in the US.
Ben Franklin: father of white guild. We can expect a WSJ editorial soon: “It all went wrong with Franklin, liberal bleeding heart wimp and father of that evil white guilt.â€
Before I git my arse out the door and stop procrastinating. Very easy to do because I like FDL. I’ll say Ben Franklin sounds right on.
“Some of this is plain old ignorant provincialism. Americans are the only people I know who are positively insulted when someone tries to speak to them in another language.”
You must not know any Frenchmen!
I never underestimate the power of the Southern Strategy to rally white people, no matter what their political leanings.
What made Reagan overwhelmingly popular? Reagan democrats. They knew what he was talking about in that coded language; welfare queen, bloc vote, reverse discrimination, evils of the Great Society, etc.
Repubs are going to demagogue this issue we know that but the problem is they’re only appealing to what’s already there.
The Chinese Exclusion Act can be revived and renamed anytime.
Sadly, racism is alive and well, and affects us all. How much intellectual capital goes unrealized as we keep minorities down? How long will we visit this sin upon our children?
Having said that, it is wrong to conflate bigotry (although bigots are among those opposing illegal immigration) with opposing illegal immigration. This is why:
1. We progressives rightly expect and call for the rule of law – witness the hue and cry over Plamegate, illegal wiretaps, Enron, etc. How can progressives call for the rule of law in one case, and not the other? The only consistent and ethical way one can argue for amnesty is to say immigration laws are a bad decision, like Dred Scott, and must be subverted.To which I reply, do you leave your house unlocked with a sign out front “All Are Welcome”? I thought not. Moreover, name ONE other country without immigration laws, or one that doesn’t enforce them.
2. The bait that lures illegals here in the worst collaboration of corpo-Republicans and Country Club Democrats I’ve ever seen. The corporations exploit the illegals (most corporations love a docile workforce) and water down wages for working class Americans. They don’t pass the savings along to the consumer (check out the historic increase in corporate profits at http://www.cbpp.org/9-3-04ui.htm). CCD’s pass and sign NAFTA (which helped create the miserable conditions in Mexico to start with – http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01272.html) – AND shifted American manufacturing, and now service and technology,jobs out of the country. The CCD’s are lusting after the Latino vote (which explains CCD support for amnesty – illegals can’t vote) after betraying their base – working folks. No CCD, including Schumer, Biden or Hillary, gives a rat’s ass about working folks. The corpofacist/CCD axis must be broken up, and respect for the rule of law is job ONE.
3. Reciprocity – YOU can’t purchase property in Mexico. If YOU go to Mexico and demonstrate as seen Monday, they’ll throw YOU in prison. If they catch you illegally in Mexico (they enforce their immigration laws), you’ll either be deported or jailed.
4. Pragmatism – We just had the largest coke bust ever in our backwater county. Three illegal immigrants were busted, and at least one is MS 13 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1347306/posts). Are things really going so well in this country that we have the time and money to import trouble?
Lastly, don’t tell me whitey is the bad guy – some are – and Latino’s are saints – some aren’t. It doesn’t work that way. Latino’s are my equal, and just as capable of good and evil as I am. If you think God is a Latino, you have to accept the fact the Devil may be Latino,too. Check out the history. Did they speak Spanish in what is now Mexico 1000 years ago? No, the folks illegally demonstrating in our streets are descended from imperialist war-mongers, just like we are.
Equality’s a bitch, ain’t it?
Well, well, well…somebody must be reading deep into the EPU’d Zone because the thread header has been changed to Late Nite FDL.
It’s so gratifying. LOL
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I didn’t take you for a bigot, why try so hard to prove me wrong. Just wanted to point out that judging from this article http://www.findarticles.com/p/…..i_68760416 it only pointed out the multiple contradictions of #111. Maybe it’s a face issue, can’t see past the steam? There is so many stories that would have supported your claim, maybe you should get out more.
(BTW. It’s just like the whiteboys not be sensitive to strange fruit lore.)
Substitute this slur “whiteboys†for any other race and watch the reaction.
My original point was racism/prejudice would still exist and does not hold to one heritage as you have so well exemplified.
BTW “Strange Fruit†actually began as a poem by Abel Meeropol, a Jewish schoolteacher and union activist from the Bronx who later set it to music.
ppp
I don’t even know where you are coming from, and I have no idea what “contradictions†you are referring to. There are none. It’s a very simple story, although the article does leave out some things. Literalism doesn’t work in trying to figure out what happened: why on one hand the art student was oblivious, and students and yes, some faculty were so shocked. Strange fruit: again don’t be so literal. I am more inclined to agree with wesgpc. It’s not my steam I am trying to get past. I am not taking you for a bigot either. Obtuse maybe, but not a bigot. It’s you who are doing all the naysaying here without even trying to understand anything
BTW the story was not meant to exemplify anything universal.(What you are reading into is a complete mystery here) The world is more complicated that. I only threw it out as something that once shocked me as a story that demonstrates sheer insensitivity to the Jim Crow/lynching legacy.