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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-89697</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 19:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whoever said this 43 year old mom was attractive:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/quotes/0,26174,1189539,00.html&quot;&gt;http://www.time.com/time/quote.....39,00.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s an understatement.  Believe me, when I worked for DIA, I never saw *anybody*, male or female, that good looking.  Must have hung in the wrong spy circles.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever said this 43 year old mom was attractive:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/quotes/0,26174,1189539,00.html">http://www.time.com/time/quote&#8230;..39,00.html</a></p>
<p>That’s an understatement.  Believe me, when I worked for DIA, I never saw *anybody*, male or female, that good looking.  Must have hung in the wrong spy circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Screddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-88276</link>
		<dc:creator>Screddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 10:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are people maybe underestimating how important the reactions of those in our immediate proximity are when we judge what is funny? A comedy always seems funnier if we see it at the premiere, with the director in attendance. Jim Jarmusch seems amusing if you’re at the premiere and all those cool people are there breaking up over every hip thing he says. Colbert’s jokes were very funny (though it did go on a bit long). But it just seems less funny than on his show, say, since the people watching the show are so fanatically in his corner it’s like a laugh track. He’s always funny. I don’t think he was any less funny at the Correspondence Dinner. But even the funniest jokes sound flat in a live context if the audience is uncomfortable. Reading the Titanic/Hindenberg joke on paper was really funny. Then I saw it, and no one laughed. I think that has more to do with the mood of people afraid to laugh at the president, or uncomfortable with the edginess of the material.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are people maybe underestimating how important the reactions of those in our immediate proximity are when we judge what is funny? A comedy always seems funnier if we see it at the premiere, with the director in attendance. Jim Jarmusch seems amusing if you’re at the premiere and all those cool people are there breaking up over every hip thing he says. Colbert’s jokes were very funny (though it did go on a bit long). But it just seems less funny than on his show, say, since the people watching the show are so fanatically in his corner it’s like a laugh track. He’s always funny. I don’t think he was any less funny at the Correspondence Dinner. But even the funniest jokes sound flat in a live context if the audience is uncomfortable. Reading the Titanic/Hindenberg joke on paper was really funny. Then I saw it, and no one laughed. I think that has more to do with the mood of people afraid to laugh at the president, or uncomfortable with the edginess of the material.</p>
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		<title>By: melior (in Austin)</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-87936</link>
		<dc:creator>melior (in Austin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How long before the insane wingnuts call for Shuster’s prosecution for ‘damaging national security”? After all, they don’t have the mental agility to grasp the concept of ‘exposing government lawbreaking’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long before the insane wingnuts call for Shuster’s prosecution for ‘damaging national security”? After all, they don’t have the mental agility to grasp the concept of ‘exposing government lawbreaking’.</p>
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		<title>By: lou</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-87825</link>
		<dc:creator>lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 22:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jose,&lt;br /&gt;
If you trust Christopher Hitchens, I have some swampland to sell, too….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose,<br />
If you trust Christopher Hitchens, I have some swampland to sell, too….</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Chung</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-87600</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose Chung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 19:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, folks, Saddam WAS trying to buy yellow-cake from Niger.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See Christopher Hitchen’s piece on it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, folks, Saddam WAS trying to buy yellow-cake from Niger.</p>
<p>See Christopher Hitchen’s piece on it.</p>
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		<title>By: mason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-87578</link>
		<dc:creator>mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 19:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I am not a Plame expert so forgive me if I get some of the details wrong but I wanted to point out this from swopa on April 28 about the Rove Hadley email:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;â€œNote whatâ€™s missing there? Thatâ€™s right, any mention of Joseph Wilsonâ€™s wife, the former Valerie Plame.â€&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cooper says he talked to Rove about Plame and in consequence Rove suddenly finds an email. Yet the email doesnâ€™t mention her.”&lt;br /&gt;
***************************&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You asked a great question because that is exactly what they talked they about and its absence is damning evidence that shows (1) Rove knew that leaking her name was a crime, but decided to do it anyway, (2) he knew that email never is tuly private, (3) and he knew that he had to give his boss an update on the caper: Mission Accomplished, as the presdent likes to say. Otherwise, you have to believe that Matt Cooper committed perjury when he testified that Rove revealed that information to him, confirmed its veracity, and authorized him to print it, so long as he did not identify him by name as his source. Particularly with this administration that so covets control and secrecy, I find it difficult to imagine that an experienced, but newly assigned reporter to cover the White House for TIME, would write his first story regarding a matter of considerable national and international attention and mis-attribute his sources. That would have been the last story that he wrote while working for TIME, if Rove believed that he had misrepresented him, or published classified information. No way Cooper lied, or misunderstood what Rove told him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe that people of this country are like a shadow grand jury and we have probable cause to believe to that (1) Rove knew about Plame’s covert status because he had reviewed the State Department Memo for President Bush (to review with Powell on his trip to Africa) and the memo revealed her status (or someone along on the trip like Ari Fleischer called and tipped him off), (2) Rove and others knew that they would be committing a crime if they outed her, (3) they decided to do it anyway for reasons that remain uncertain since the White House was in the process of “admitting” that there was no basis to support the infamous sixteen words in the SOTU address, and (4) by prior agreement with Hadley, Rove’s loose description referencing Wilson was intended to convey the following message: I passed on what you and I agreed that I should say, but not memorialize in an email. Rove’s message could only have been coded to assure local privacy. If I’m right, Hadley has some explaining to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, we should not discount the possibility that Rove created the Hadley email at a much later time, but Fitzgerald certainly will have that possibility checked out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isn’t this the sort of decision that members of this administration would defer to the Decider, particularly given his rather keen interest in syping and national security? If I were Rove, I would want to know that my president had authorized me to commit a serious felony involving national security. Did Rove desire such assurance?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:</p>
<p>“I am not a Plame expert so forgive me if I get some of the details wrong but I wanted to point out this from swopa on April 28 about the Rove Hadley email:</p>
<p>â€œNote whatâ€™s missing there? Thatâ€™s right, any mention of Joseph Wilsonâ€™s wife, the former Valerie Plame.â€</p>
<p>Cooper says he talked to Rove about Plame and in consequence Rove suddenly finds an email. Yet the email doesnâ€™t mention her.”<br />
***************************</p>
<p>You asked a great question because that is exactly what they talked they about and its absence is damning evidence that shows (1) Rove knew that leaking her name was a crime, but decided to do it anyway, (2) he knew that email never is tuly private, (3) and he knew that he had to give his boss an update on the caper: Mission Accomplished, as the presdent likes to say. Otherwise, you have to believe that Matt Cooper committed perjury when he testified that Rove revealed that information to him, confirmed its veracity, and authorized him to print it, so long as he did not identify him by name as his source. Particularly with this administration that so covets control and secrecy, I find it difficult to imagine that an experienced, but newly assigned reporter to cover the White House for TIME, would write his first story regarding a matter of considerable national and international attention and mis-attribute his sources. That would have been the last story that he wrote while working for TIME, if Rove believed that he had misrepresented him, or published classified information. No way Cooper lied, or misunderstood what Rove told him.</p>
<p>I believe that people of this country are like a shadow grand jury and we have probable cause to believe to that (1) Rove knew about Plame’s covert status because he had reviewed the State Department Memo for President Bush (to review with Powell on his trip to Africa) and the memo revealed her status (or someone along on the trip like Ari Fleischer called and tipped him off), (2) Rove and others knew that they would be committing a crime if they outed her, (3) they decided to do it anyway for reasons that remain uncertain since the White House was in the process of “admitting” that there was no basis to support the infamous sixteen words in the SOTU address, and (4) by prior agreement with Hadley, Rove’s loose description referencing Wilson was intended to convey the following message: I passed on what you and I agreed that I should say, but not memorialize in an email. Rove’s message could only have been coded to assure local privacy. If I’m right, Hadley has some explaining to do.</p>
<p>Of course, we should not discount the possibility that Rove created the Hadley email at a much later time, but Fitzgerald certainly will have that possibility checked out.</p>
<p>Isn’t this the sort of decision that members of this administration would defer to the Decider, particularly given his rather keen interest in syping and national security? If I were Rove, I would want to know that my president had authorized me to commit a serious felony involving national security. Did Rove desire such assurance?</p>
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		<title>By: theExile</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-87320</link>
		<dc:creator>theExile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 15:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not tooting my horn or anything, but I have been pointing out this Plame/Iran connection from time to time here for a couple months or more. I’ve thought for awhile now that embarrassing or discrediting Joe Wilson was a red herring and the true goal of outing Valerie and Brewster-Jennings&lt;br /&gt;
was to eliminate a source of accurate information regarding Iran. Truth is this administrations biggest enemy - if they could get that troublesome force neutralized (truth), they could get on with their program for world domination by themselves and their cronies.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Orange jumpsuits for the lot of them and may they all go bird-hunting with Dick daily.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not tooting my horn or anything, but I have been pointing out this Plame/Iran connection from time to time here for a couple months or more. I’ve thought for awhile now that embarrassing or discrediting Joe Wilson was a red herring and the true goal of outing Valerie and Brewster-Jennings<br />
was to eliminate a source of accurate information regarding Iran. Truth is this administrations biggest enemy &#8211; if they could get that troublesome force neutralized (truth), they could get on with their program for world domination by themselves and their cronies.  </p>
<p>Orange jumpsuits for the lot of them and may they all go bird-hunting with Dick daily.</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-87298</link>
		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EPU’d:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having seen Ms. Plame for the first time in this post, I only have four words — well, maybe eight:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;HBO movie.&lt;br /&gt;
Jeri Ryan.&lt;br /&gt;
During the Gore Administration.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EPU’d:</p>
<p>Having seen Ms. Plame for the first time in this post, I only have four words — well, maybe eight:</p>
<p>HBO movie.<br />
Jeri Ryan.<br />
During the Gore Administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-87236</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 12:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I want to hear this administration deny the allegation that Plame was working on Iranian nuclear matters when she was “outed”. But the question must be asked.  Will the WH MSM corresponcents ask Snow that question ???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to hear this administration deny the allegation that Plame was working on Iranian nuclear matters when she was “outed”. But the question must be asked.  Will the WH MSM corresponcents ask Snow that question ???</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessean</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/plame-working-on-iran-nukes/#comment-87233</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 12:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;God, what I wouldn’t give to see Bush/Cheney, Rove/Libby tried for treason.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, what I wouldn’t give to see Bush/Cheney, Rove/Libby tried for treason.</p>
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