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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/gold-bars-spins-back-how-could-he-resist/#comment-87626</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 20:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 20:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok.  Now with the href stuff I hope.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801878.html&quot; title=&quot;post&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.  Now with the href stuff I hope.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801878.html" title="post"></a></p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/01/gold-bars-spins-back-how-could-he-resist/#comment-87614</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ignore me.  Trying to do learn tags.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801878.html&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01878.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore me.  Trying to do learn tags.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801878.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..01878.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: pollyusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>pollyusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeff and pow wow,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the information about the 10/7/04 decision against Cooper, I have read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/04-ms-460.pdf&quot;&gt;the 11/04 memorandum&lt;/a&gt;, a revealing document BTW, and didn’t notice the  significance of the Oct 7 decision regarding Cooper. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is my question on this.. Would Rove have known about the 10/7/04 decision? I don’t believe it was reported at that time, and the memorandum wasn’t out until November 2004. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/04-407.pdf&quot;&gt;The decision&lt;/a&gt; on 10/7/04 against Miller didn’t mention Cooper and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/%5Cnews.aspx?id=14166&quot;&gt;reporting on 10/8/04&lt;/a&gt; didn’t mention Cooper. That Cooper was held in contempt was reported in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/%5Cnews.aspx?id=14191&quot;&gt;this 10/14/04 AP article&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff and pow wow,</p>
<p>Thanks for the information about the 10/7/04 decision against Cooper, I have read <a href="http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/04-ms-460.pdf">the 11/04 memorandum</a>, a revealing document BTW, and didn’t notice the  significance of the Oct 7 decision regarding Cooper. </p>
<p>Here is my question on this.. Would Rove have known about the 10/7/04 decision? I don’t believe it was reported at that time, and the memorandum wasn’t out until November 2004. <a href="http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/04-407.pdf">The decision</a> on 10/7/04 against Miller didn’t mention Cooper and the <a href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/%5Cnews.aspx?id=14166">reporting on 10/8/04</a> didn’t mention Cooper. That Cooper was held in contempt was reported in <a href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/%5Cnews.aspx?id=14191">this 10/14/04 AP article</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pow wow — thanks for the great work, I’ll work it up into a post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pow wow — thanks for the great work, I’ll work it up into a post.</p>
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		<title>By: BobbyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobbyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 21:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mrs. K8 -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks. Her lame attempt to bury the story is neutered ayway by Froomkin’s excellent recounting today.&lt;br /&gt;
LOL!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. K8 -</p>
<p>Thanks. Her lame attempt to bury the story is neutered ayway by Froomkin’s excellent recounting today.<br />
LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. K8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. K8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 20:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BobbyG –&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Am arriving late, without time to respond to the thread itself (which is MOST excellent, per usual), but just want to say I love your “Bumiller” email.  It inspires me to send similarly themed missives.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BobbyG –</p>
<p>Am arriving late, without time to respond to the thread itself (which is MOST excellent, per usual), but just want to say I love your “Bumiller” email.  It inspires me to send similarly themed missives.</p>
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		<title>By: BobbyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobbyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 20:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My ‘Dear Elisabeth Bumiller’ (WaPo) email -&lt;br /&gt;
_____&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, if a Steven Colbert “falls flat” in a forest of tux’d &amp; gowned mainstream media suckups and no one subsequently hears about it, did it really happen?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess people like you gotta assiduously safeguard your precious DC dinner party “access,” ‘eh?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheers -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BobbyG&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ‘Dear Elisabeth Bumiller’ (WaPo) email -<br />
_____</p>
<p>So, if a Steven Colbert “falls flat” in a forest of tux’d &amp; gowned mainstream media suckups and no one subsequently hears about it, did it really happen?</p>
<p>I guess people like you gotta assiduously safeguard your precious DC dinner party “access,” ‘eh?</p>
<p>Cheers -</p>
<p>BobbyG</p>
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		<title>By: Basharov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basharov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 20:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Just before Fitzgerald indicted Libby last fall, he met with Luskin and told him that he was considering indicting Rove, according to a source close to Rove who declined to be identified discussing sensitive matters.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anybody have an idea who this “source close to Rove who declined to be identified discussing sensitive matters” could be?  Luskin? Comstock? Rove?  The voices inside Isikoff’s skull?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Just before Fitzgerald indicted Libby last fall, he met with Luskin and told him that he was considering indicting Rove, according to a source close to Rove who declined to be identified discussing sensitive matters.</i></p>
<p>Anybody have an idea who this “source close to Rove who declined to be identified discussing sensitive matters” could be?  Luskin? Comstock? Rove?  The voices inside Isikoff’s skull?</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: 116 and part of your post:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“However, even if itâ€™s hard and fast DOJ policy to indict all possible crimes at once, does it not seem that in this case there might be some leeway involved? Fitzgerald even said last Fall when he got the indictments on Libby that the only reason why the indictment wasnâ€™t for the underlying crime was that Libby (and, we must assume, others) lied and otherwise acted in such a way to stymie investigation into the underlying crime.”&lt;br /&gt;
************************&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Fitzgerald didn’t have sufficient evidence to convince the grand jury to indict anyone for deliberately outing Plame knowing that she was an undercover CIA operative, he still should be able to prosecute some, or all of the defendants now, or about to be charged with false statements, perjury, obstruction of justice, etc., for committing the more serious crime crime because (1) all of the King’s soldiers and all of his men lied, and (2) he (Fitz) couldn’t identify the people who committed the more serious offense until some, or all of those defendants cooperated in the investigation and prosecution of others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Assuming that Rove hasn’t cut a deal, he’s going to be indicted soon because Fitzgerald has him cold on a false statement(s) to the FBI in September, 2003, and perjury when he testified at the grand jury in February, 2004. Others are likely to be charged, possibly Hadley who was in on the whole thing, given Rove’s email updating Hadley on his conversation with Cooper and his effort to get out the word on Plame, “but don’t get too far in front.” Rove’s remark in the message about telling Cooper that he’d heard the information from a journalist was Rove smirking about their plan to start a rumor by leaking information to reporters, inviting them to spread it around, but warning them not to write a story, and then confirm the rumor when reporters call for verification by saying that they heard the same rumor from another reporter. Wink, wink, do ya think?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fitz ain’t fooled, yuh durn tootin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then there’s the matter of the 250 emails that the reincarnated soul of Rosemary Woods deleted in the Office of the Vice President. Rather a treasure trove of material for Fitz to investigate and set traps for the unwarry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I expect a few more people to be indicted with additional indictments down the road as Fitz puts together all of the pieces of the puzzle.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everyone shouldn’t forget that John Hannah and David Wurmser know the whole story and they worked out cooperation deals with Fitzgerald a long time ago. Hannah is a neocon who pled guilty to passing classified information to Israeli agents and was sentenced to 12 years. Wurmser, apparently decided to cooperate with Fitz after learning that he was a target of the grand jury investigation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pray that Rove keeps his powder wet and his bullets dry, shaken, not stirred.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: 116 and part of your post:</p>
<p>“However, even if itâ€™s hard and fast DOJ policy to indict all possible crimes at once, does it not seem that in this case there might be some leeway involved? Fitzgerald even said last Fall when he got the indictments on Libby that the only reason why the indictment wasnâ€™t for the underlying crime was that Libby (and, we must assume, others) lied and otherwise acted in such a way to stymie investigation into the underlying crime.”<br />
************************</p>
<p>If Fitzgerald didn’t have sufficient evidence to convince the grand jury to indict anyone for deliberately outing Plame knowing that she was an undercover CIA operative, he still should be able to prosecute some, or all of the defendants now, or about to be charged with false statements, perjury, obstruction of justice, etc., for committing the more serious crime crime because (1) all of the King’s soldiers and all of his men lied, and (2) he (Fitz) couldn’t identify the people who committed the more serious offense until some, or all of those defendants cooperated in the investigation and prosecution of others.</p>
<p>Assuming that Rove hasn’t cut a deal, he’s going to be indicted soon because Fitzgerald has him cold on a false statement(s) to the FBI in September, 2003, and perjury when he testified at the grand jury in February, 2004. Others are likely to be charged, possibly Hadley who was in on the whole thing, given Rove’s email updating Hadley on his conversation with Cooper and his effort to get out the word on Plame, “but don’t get too far in front.” Rove’s remark in the message about telling Cooper that he’d heard the information from a journalist was Rove smirking about their plan to start a rumor by leaking information to reporters, inviting them to spread it around, but warning them not to write a story, and then confirm the rumor when reporters call for verification by saying that they heard the same rumor from another reporter. Wink, wink, do ya think?</p>
<p>Fitz ain’t fooled, yuh durn tootin.</p>
<p>Then there’s the matter of the 250 emails that the reincarnated soul of Rosemary Woods deleted in the Office of the Vice President. Rather a treasure trove of material for Fitz to investigate and set traps for the unwarry.</p>
<p>I expect a few more people to be indicted with additional indictments down the road as Fitz puts together all of the pieces of the puzzle.</p>
<p>Everyone shouldn’t forget that John Hannah and David Wurmser know the whole story and they worked out cooperation deals with Fitzgerald a long time ago. Hannah is a neocon who pled guilty to passing classified information to Israeli agents and was sentenced to 12 years. Wurmser, apparently decided to cooperate with Fitz after learning that he was a target of the grand jury investigation.</p>
<p>Pray that Rove keeps his powder wet and his bullets dry, shaken, not stirred.</p>
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