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With new details arriving daily about the history of Karl Rove's testimony before the grand jury there have been many corrections to the known narrative. Thanks to everyone in the comments sections both here and at The Next Hurrah, there is a new timeline emerging that makes it look very much like Rove kept altering his testimony to keep up with what Fitzgerald was learning about his involvement, hence the five trips before the grand jury.
2003:
July 9 -- Robert Novak and Karl Rove speak about Valerie Wilson, according to Murray Waas (12/16/05). Accounts of this call differ, per Novak (10/1/03) and a Rove-friendly Washington Post story (7/15/05).
July 10 or 11 -- Libby speaks with "Official A" in the White House, presumably Karl Rove (per Libby indictment).
July 11 -- Rove speaks with Matt Cooper (per Time Magazine) and then emails Stephen Hadley (per AP).
July 17 -- Cooper et. al. publish "A War on Wilson?" in Time.
July 21 -- Rove calls Chris Matthews and says Wilson's wife is "fair game" (Per Joe Wilson, Politics of Truth).
September 29 -- ABC News producer Andrea Owen asks Rove he has any knowledge of or if he leaked the name of the CIA agent to the press. Rove says "no." (The Note).
September 30 -- Alberto Gonzales notifies White House officials to preserve and maintain all documents related to Joseph Wilson, his wife, his trip to Niger and her role in the CIA.
October (date unknown) -- Rove interviewed by the FBI, at which time he claimed that he only circulated information regarding Plame to journalists after it appeared in Robert Novak's column on July 14, 2003.( Waas 3/8/04). He did not mention that he ever spoke with Matt Cooper and claimed he first heard that Plame worked for the CIA from a journalist, though he could not remember who. (Waas 7/19/05)
December 30 -- Ashcroft recuses himself from the investigation; Comey appoints Fitzgerald (Washington Post).
2004:
January -- Fitzgerald's grand jury subpoenas the White House for all "records on administration contacts with more than two dozen journalists and news media outlets," including Matt Cooper (Newsday, per Just One Minute)
Feburary (date unknown) -- Rove testifies twice before the grand jury:
-- "In February 2004, when Mr. Rove testified about his conversations with reporters, he recalled the [Robert] Novak conversation, but no other interviews with reporters" (NYT, 11/4/05)
-- "He told of speaking briefly to columnist Bob Novak about the Wilson trip. But Rove never mentioned any conversation with Time's Cooper." (Newsweek).
March 1 (possibly, but date unknown): Viveca Novak tells Robert Luskin that Matt Cooper considers Karl Rove to be his source. Luskin says the conversation took place between October and January (Newsweek); V. Novak says it took place between January and May, but Fitzgerald seems to have independent corroboration that it happened on March 1 (Time).
May 21 -- Matt Cooper is subpoenaed for the first time (opinion).
June 3 -- Cooper moved to quash the subpoena (opinion).
July 6 -- District court denied Cooper's motion to quash (opinion).
July 20 -- District court issued a written opinion and order (opinion).
August 9 -- Cooper held in contempt (per Judge Hogan)
August 23 -- Cooper deposed about his contacts with Scooter Libby. Fitzgerald is surprised to learn that Libby was not Cooper's original source. (Washington Post)
August 31 -- Rove tells CNN at the Republican Convention:
-- "I didn't know her name. I didn't leak her name."
September 13 -- Cooper is subpoenaed again (opinion).
October 7 -- District court denies Cooper's motion to quash subpoenas (opinion).
October 13 -- Cooper held in contempt. (opinion).
October (date unknown) -- Luskin hands Hadley email over to Fitzgerald.
October 15 -- Rove testifies for the third time before the grand jury (Time).
-- "Reappearing before the grand jury that month, Rove acknowledged that he must have spoken to Cooper, but he still didn't remember doing so." (Newsweek)
-- "Rove said he believed that he had spoken to Cooper about Plame, but still had little independent recollection of what was said." (Waas 4/28/06)
-- "White House adviser Karl Rove told the grand jury in the CIA leak case that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney’s chief of staff, may have told him that CIA operative Valerie Plame worked for the intelligence agency before her identity was revealed...Rove has also testified that he also heard about Plame from someone else outside the White House, but could not recall who." (WaPo, 10/20/05)
October 19 -- District court consolidates the appeals of Miller and Cooper.
December 8 -- District court hears arguments on the appeals of Miller and Cooper (Special Counsel brief)
2005
February 15 -- Federal appeals court rules that Miler and Cooper may have witnessed a federal crime and may not claim journalistic privilege. (In Re: Grand Jury Subpoena, Judith Miller)
June 27 -- Supreme Court refuses to hear Miller and Cooper's appeal.
June 30 -- Time Magazine agrees to hand over Matt Cooper's notes.
July 1 -- Lawrence O'Donnell appears on the McLaughlin Group and claims that the primary Plame leaker was Karl Rove (he blogs about it on the HuffPo the next day).
July 2 -- Luskin admits to Newsweek that Rove spoke with Cooper, but says he “did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA":
-- "The e-mails surrendered by Time Inc., which are largely between Cooper and his editors, show that one of Cooper's sources was White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to two lawyers who asked not to be identified because they are representing witnesses sympathetic to the White House. Cooper and a Time spokeswoman declined to comment. But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between Cooper and Rove" (Newsweek, 7/11/2005 issue)
July 4 -- Luskin told CNN:
-- "Karl did nothing wrong. Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identity to Mr. Cooper or anybody else ... Who outed this woman? ... It wasn't Karl."
July 6 -- Article appears in the Wall Street Journal (via Froomkin) which says: "If Matt Cooper is going to jail to protect a source," Mr. Luskin told The Journal, "it's not Karl he's protecting." Accounts differ as to what happen, but Cooper's lawyer Dick Sauber said he called Luskin and asked him if the general waiver already executed by Rove covers Cooper, and Luskin said it did.
Sauber, in Editor and Publisher (via Digby):
-- "There was no indication that we had that Mr. Rove or his lawyer were interested in receiving such a request. And it was really only in the last few days, when Mr. Luskin started making some of hiscomments, especially the one that I just quoted to you that was in the Wall Street Journal that led us to feel that we were on firm footing picking up the phone and calling and saying, "Based on your public comments, we would ask for an express and personal...," and that's what we did."
But according to the New York Times :
In court shortly after 2, [Cooper] told Judge Thomas F. Hogan of the Federal District Court in Washington that he had received "an express personal release from my source."
That statement surprised Mr. Luskin, Mr. Rove's lawyer. Mr. Luskin said he had only reaffirmed the blanket waiver, in response to a request from Mr. Fitzgerald.
July 9 -- Luskin confirms to Newsweek that Rove was Cooper's source:
"Rove has never publicly acknowledged talking to any reporter about former ambassador Joseph Wilson and his wife. But last week, his lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed to NEWSWEEK that Rove did—and that Rove was the secret source who, at the request of both Cooper's lawyer and the prosecutor, gave Cooper permission to testify." (Newsweek, 7/18/05 issue)
The article reports that the email sent by Cooper to his editor indicated Rove said "Wilson’s wife" worked for the CIA and authorized his trip. It’s clear that when Luskin asserted on July 2nd that Rove never said "Valerie Plame" worked for the CIA he was being legalistic and intentionally deceptive.
July 11 -- Luskin tells the Washington Post that Rove discussed Plame with Cooper but did not name her:
-- "Rove did not mention her name to Cooper," Luskin said. "This was not an effort to encourage Time to disclose her identity. What he was doing was discouraging Time from perpetuating some statements that had been made publicly and weren't true." (WaPo 7/11/05)
July 12 -- Luskin appears to be telegraphing to Matt Cooper what Rove testified to, potentially coaching Cooper's testimony. From Cooper's account:
-- "A surprising line of questioning had to do with, of all things, welfare reform. The prosecutor asked if I had ever called Mr. Rove about the topic of welfare reform. Just the day before my grand jury testimony Rove’s lawyer, Robert Luskin, had told journalists that when I telephoned Rove that July, it was about welfare reform and that I suddenly switched topics to the Wilson matter....To me this suggested that Rove may have testified that we had talked about welfare reform, and indeed earlier in the week, I may have left a message with his office asking if I could talk to him about welfare reform. But I can’t find any record of talking about it with him on July 11, and I don’t recall doing so.
July 13 -- Matt Cooper testifies before the grand jury (Time Magazine).
July 15 -- AP's John Solomon is shown a copy of the Hadley email:
"I didn't take the bait," Rove wrote in the message, disclosed to The Associated Press. In the memo, Rove recounted how Cooper tried to question him about whether President Bush had been hurt by the new allegations Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, had been making.
[]
"Matt Cooper called to give me a heads-up that he's got a welfare reform story coming," Rove wrote Hadley, who has since risen to the top job of national security adviser.
"When he finished his brief heads-up he immediately launched into Niger. Isn't this damaging? Hasn't the president been hurt? I didn't take the bait, but I said if I were him I wouldn't get Time far out in front on this."
July 16 -- As PollyUSA notes at TNH, Luskin (or someone speaking for Rove) begins telling the press that in his October 2004 grand jury appeareance Rove had disclosed that he discussed Plame's CIA work with Cooper (when in fact Rove had told the grand jury he couldn't remember):
-- "[T]he White House turned the e-mail over to prosecutors, and Rove told a grand jury about it last year during testimony in which he also acknowledged discussing Plame's covert work for the CIA with Cooper and syndicated columnist Robert Novak" (AP 7/16/2005)
-- "Rove has at some point testified that he passed on information about Plame to Cooper, according to two lawyers involved in the case. Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, declined to say when Rove gave this testimony" (WaPo 7/23/05)
-- "On Oct. 14, 2004, Mr. Rove went before the grand jury again to alter his earlier account, by saying he had also discussed the C.I.A. officer with Mr. Cooper" (NYT 12/2/05)
July 17 -- Matt Cooper wrote "What I Told the Grand Jury" in Time.
July unknown -- Rove offers "to come back and answer any questions that might arise from Cooper's testimony," according to Luskin (Washington Post).
July 29 -- Rove aides Susan B. Ralston and Israel Hernandez testify before the grand jury (NYT)
-- "Rove’s secretary was questioned about why a phone call from Cooper to Rove in 2003 was not recorded in White House phone logs, according to sources familiar with the probe. She reportedly explained that Cooper called the main switchboard and his call was not logged because it was rerouted to Rove’s office." (WaPo)
October 14 -- Karl Rove testifies for a fourth time before the grand jury.
-- "Summoned back to the grand jury last October for a fourth time, Rove said it was "possible" that he had told Cooper about Wilson's wife, but he had simply forgotten it" (Newsweek)
October 24 (week of) -- Luskin calls Viveca Novak and tells her he's going to tell Fitzgerald about their conversation (Time).
October 26 -- Adam Levine is interviewed about his conversations with Rove on the day Cooper spoke to him (WaPo).
October 28 -- Scooter Libby indicted (Fitzgerald press conference)
November 10 -- Viveca Novak questioned by Fitzgerald for the first time in his office (Time).
December 2 -- Luskin gives sworn testimony to Fitzgerald (CNN).
December 8 -- Viveca Novak meets with Fitzgerald for the second time (Time).
December 16 -- George Bush nominates Viveca Novak's husband, Robert Lenhard, to the Federal Election Commission.
2006:
January 5 -- George Bush grants Viveca Novak's husband, Robert Lenhard, a recess appointment to the FEC, thus circumenting Senate hearings and uncomfortable questions (WaPo)
January 23 -- A Fitzgerald letter in the Libby case indicates:
In an abundance of caution, we advise you that we have learned that not all email of the Office of the Vice President and the Executive Office of President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system.
April 26 -- Rove appears for the fifth time before the grand jury (AP).
-- "Rove... testified to the grand jury that when he told Cooper that Plame worked at the agency, he was only passing along unverified gossip.
"In contrast, Cooper has testified that Rove told him in a phone conversation on July 11, 2003, that Plame worked for the CIA and played a role in having the agency select her husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, to make a fact-finding trip to Niger in 2002." (Waas)
-- "Rove testified that he would have had no motive to deliberately conceal his conversation with Cooper. "It would have been crazy" of Rove "to testify about [his conversations with Bob Novak] but not testify about the Cooper conversation," says this source, who adds that Rove would have known he would be "stepping into a perjury trap." (Newsweek 4/30/2006)
Much gratitude is owed to the DKosopedia entry on Plame. I'm sure there will be numerous additions and corrections to this so if you notice any errors or think there should be any other entries, please let me know.
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FITZ!!!
Fitz
everythingseemssofitz
Fitz?
Man, ya gotta be quick…
Props to *ilson46201
;)
Oh, right, get beaten by a bunch of lurkers!
I’m sorry, but who’s hot and who’s not. Joe and Valerie, or Braindead Drunken Impotent Overcompensational Chimp & Xanax Boyfriend Killa?
“…Rove kept altering his testimony to keep up with what Fitzgerald was learning about his involvement…”
Yep. Oh, what a tangled web we weave…
This pigboy is goin’ DOWN!
the full quote is: “Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Later on, it gets easier!”
I think Rove gets indicted on 5/11. He has to resign at that point, no? W’s ratings hit Keyes territory.
(be wary - cornered rats and all that)
Do we get an indictment this week? :)
scarecrow -
LOL!
I had a 2nd browser window open at FDL main page, kept doin’ Alt-tab around from my other window and Ctrl-R.
Then I had to go stir my linguine, and missed my chance.
Silly, I know.
Thanks for posting the timeline, Jane. It’s really amazing that Rove is so arrogant (or is it just plain desperation on his part?) to think he could jerk around the Grand Jury and Fitzgerald they way he has.
just wait until Risen or Dana Priest corroborates the Schuster story about Plame/Iran - that’s when the Preznit hits 27%
Jon Steward on Colbert “ballsolicious”
Ol’ Fish Story Karl, telling us about the one that got away, I guess. Why didn’t he know that Snap-On Tools weren’t meant to be permanently attached?
Jon Stewart calls SC’s performance ‘balls-o-licious.’
John Stewart said he is so proud of Stephen Colbert — it was ballzalicious ! (his wording)
“corroborates the Schuster story about Plame/Iran”
We must help keep the pressure on about that shit.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
IMPEACH!!!
Rove has evidently confused the Grand Jury with the Court of Public Opinion (where his tactics have served him well, and the public poorly)
A Fitz-led Grand Jury is in the process of measuring the rope with which he will hang himself.
The timeline and summary is terrific. Thanks.
scarecrow, who you callin a lurker? well, actually I have been the last few days - non-computer stuff to do and when I’ve been here got nothing to possibly add to brilliance of posts & comments.
Anyway, god & fitz, please smite this evilest bastard ever seen in my lifetime.
the first DC GJ that indicted Libby included 9 African-American women. Not exactly Karl Rove’s usual political base, eh?
*ilson
We haven’t heard much if anything about this GJ. At least if we have, I missed it. Anyone got info on who all we are counting on to save the country?
*ilson46201,
I believe it’s
O, what a tangled web we weave,
when first we practice to deceive.
But, when we’ve practiced for a while,
how vastly we improve our style.
Don’t know who said it.
Fitz vs. Rove - boy, is that our situation in a nutshell or what.
I should say the American situation in a nutshell.
Sharkbabe says:
May 1st, 2006 at 8:11 pm
Fitz vs. Rove - boy, is that our situation in a nutshell or what.
_____
Yeah, For now. And, my money’s on Fitz.
Karl Rove is like the involutionary eagle — it flies around in ever diminishing circles till it flies up its own rectum
Ah, Jon giving props to Colbert. Good on him.
This is an OLD clip.
OT — This is amazing. But it takes a little explanation first if you’re not familiar with Bittorrent. Those who already know it can skip to the last three paragraphs.
I often use a Bittorrent client for downloading films, music, etc. For those unfamiliar with BT, it creates a decentralized network such that a single client can download a file from multiple peers, thereby maximizing bandwidth.
The BT clients that have finished downloading a particular file and are sharing it woth others are called ‘Seeds’.
Those who are still downloading are called ‘leechers’.
Typically, you’ll see tens of seeds for a file, and tens of leechers. The most I’ve ever seen is 200-300 seeds and/or 400-500 leechers.
Anyway, Colbert’s speech in hi-res avi is available via Bittorent (or any other Bittorrent client, I recommend utorrent). The download address for the torrent is: http://www.mininova.org/tor/296239 (h/t A Liberal Dose). The file is about 396 MB in size.
At the time of writing this, there are 3,395 seeds and 981 leechers. It was even larger earlier. There a *lot* of people eager to see this, or see it again. Word is getting out, despite the MSM near blackout on information about the speech.
OT,but I just finished Crashing the Gate.All I can say is wow,really cuts through the B/S,what we’re up against, and what we need to do i.e. drag our Party kicking and screaming back into the light.So in this spirit;to get involved in the roots project in Maryland e-mail me at
paradox65@comcast.net
hope to hear from you.
Jane OT but I have found many on your site and similar blogs don’t have a working knowlege of propaganda. I have made up a 1-1/2 page pdf of the 8 points of propaganda, with website references. I’d like to disseminate it. Can you contact me and I can send it along and see if you think it’s worthwhile putting it out on this site?
That Sept. 30 entry 2003 entry…
No snark about the WH getting 12 hours leeway to gather (*cough* SHRED/ERASE *cough*) data?
31 P. S.
Here’s a link to directly download the torrent:
http://www.mininova.org/get/296239
I’m up waaay past my bedtime,but I’ve got to see Colbert tonight.
Although why I feel compelled to share this I have no idea.
clio at 25
Sir Walter Scott
Thanks, Jane, for the timeline. It helps to keep it all straight or straighter anyway because it’s a pretty twisted tale.
OT on a pet peeve of mine:
John Snow the still Treasury Secretary announced today that the Social Security trust fund will run out in 2040. Without changes, Social Security will be able to pay 74% of benefits after that date.
I like to point out as often as I can that the Social Security trust fund is a fiction. In 1983 a “reform†of Social Security took place which was sold as dealing with future shortfalls. As a result, Social Security taxes were increased. The system went into surplus and it is projected it will remain so until around 2018. The surpluses are what make up the trust fund.
So what happens to this money? Well, you may think it gets invested but, seriously, how can the US government realistically invest trillions of dollars? It can’t. It can spend it, however, and that is precisely what it does. It works like this. Non marketable bonds are written and interest is paid on them, kind of. The money for its part ends up in the budget just like your income taxes and gets spent just like your income taxes.
The difference between the two is that your income tax money the government owns free and clear. The Social Security surpluses, on the other hand, are still borrowed money which the government has promised to pay back later (just as it promises to pay interest on them). And although this money is debt, it is not part of the number which we erroneously refer to as the “deficitâ€. It is treated as revenue and so makes the real federal budget deficit appear smaller than it really is. How much, you might ask? This year the surplus amounts to $183 billion. So anytime you hear a number for the deficit like $334 (or $370 to $375 billion, but that’s another story), add $183 billion to it.
In 2018, Social Security is expected to no longer run a surplus. At this point, the government will have to start paying back the money it borrowed from the trust fund and the interest. Can you guess how this will be done? There are 3 ways:
1) Taxes (income,corporate, etc.) can be raised.
2) Increased spending on Social Security can be offset by reducing spending in other areas.
3) Benefits can reduced
In this way, we will pass from 2018 to 2040. After 2040, the trust fund which is really just a set of obligations will be exhausted. At this point, 74% of benefits can still be paid on the basis of incoming revenues from Social Security taxes but for anything more we must return to some combination of the 3 alternatives listed above.
Maybe you know this already and if you do, sorry for being repetitious but I have found that many people simply never consider how this system operates or how it has been exploited by politicians of both parties since 1983.
DMM — I too am staying up for Colbert and I have to be up at 5am to work the polls at 6am for Indiana’s Primary Election Day. It’s 11:20pm already…it’s gonna be a loooong day !
JGabriell 31
I read somewhere that the C&L website got 5,000,000 hits on the Colbert video, more than for any other, I think. That was a couple of hours ago at least.
People are paying attention, yeah, you betcha.
I’ve got it on my ipod and can’t wait to share it with everyone I can.
But, when we’ve practiced for a while,
how vastly we improve our style.
Now see, they never tell you them two lines.
Ahhh…the wisdom of Fitzgerald.
Give any one man too much rope and they will fuck it up!
In poker, they call this a trap.
oops, that was 500,000 (half million) hits on C&L. Typing without glasses bites. It’s all a blurr . . .
This is a great timeline, that deserves a permalink on your sidebar.
But am I not understanding something about your format? It looks like a blockquote from some other source, but I cannot find a link pointing to that source.
RevDeb, 5,000,000?
That’s fantastic. I just hope some of these are US citizens. I suspect many of the downloads are from outside America.
I’m sure most of the world outside our borders is eager to see W get his comeuppance.
JGabriel, corrected above—half a million. But that was several hours ago.
Also there are many other sites hosting it. Salon has theirs, UTube has another. I’ve seen links to at least 5. BUt I think C&L is probably the Go To web site for most of us.
It is getting around and will not be lost to history.
Oh well, 500,000 is still pretty good too.
RevDeb,
how did you get the Colbert clip onto your ipod??
JGabriel, she corrected herself. It’s 500,000 (half million).
Again, the “welfare reform” story sounds preposterous as ever. Is it known if Cooper ever wrote such a story. I believe Cooper wrote that he didn’t say such a thing to Rove. Rove wants us to believe he wasn’t cold calling reporters, but within days he’s telling Tweety Wilson’s wife is “fair game.”
I don’ believe the Hadley email is authentic, that is to say I think it was fabricated and back dated. A lot seems to be hinging on the inherent value of that email, which renders it that much more suspicious.
Hang in there *ilson,plenty of time to sleep after the dust settles.Ooops,gotta go,Steve’s on
Great timeline Jane; thanks much for the effort. Strikes me there are two timelines. The First is when something actually happened; the second is when a particular actor — e.g., Rove — found out it happened. The latter would also be relevant in revealing Rove’s motivations. Are all the dates the same, or are key dates different wrt to Rove? It’s a “what did he know, and when did he know it” thingy.
and how many thank you(s) to Stephen Colbert now you ask?
17308 Responses to “Thank You.â€
OT, but its that time of night…
Is Biden really calling for a partitioning of Iraq? I have so many mixed feeling about this. Saw Juan Cole’s modified parititioning plan. On the one hand partitioning makes sense. I thought (having spent a tiny bit of time there) that the EU should reparition. On the other hand, I hate the idea such a clean break would be imposed from outside rather than as a democratic decision from within the Iraqi government.
And then I wonder how people here (well, the lower 48) would feel if, for example, we would allow Alaska to succeed.
Since Biden (if the report I read is true) is hawking this, it has a good chance of happening since it is the Cheney/others wet dream.
All Hail Jane!
This is the best, and probably the only definitive timeline on Karl Going Down. It must’ve taken a hell of a lot of time to put together. What a public service!
Thanks again, Jane. You and Christy just keep outdoing yourselves. You Rock!
haven’t seen any links to Gilliard re Colbert. It is masterful.
Rove is the evilest queen since J. Edgar.
MarcLord 48
Downloaded the file (I’m on a mac- control click to download) then dragged it into itunes and dragged it into video file. Works like a charm. I’m building quite a collection thanks to C&L.
It’s really amazing that Rove is so arrogant (or is it just plain desperation on his part?) to think he could jerk around the Grand Jury and Fitzgerald they way he has.
I think it’s a combination of arrogance and ignorance. Karl seems to have an encyclopedic knowledge of how various tyrants throughout history have seized power, but an equally encyclopedic ignorance of how history has almost invariably dealt with these men when the populace finally gets wise.
It started with Caesar and the Roman Senate and runs all the way up through the downfall of Saddam Hussein. And Rover’s boss is next.
Perhaps naive question:
If Rove is indicted, what compels him to resign? There’s no legal requirement, is there? Could they simply stonewall and refuse to have him resign? (W could do some sort of charade about refusing to accept Rove’s resignation or something.)
From what I can see, the resignation would only be forced politically, with the administration suffering scandal and loss of credibility if Rove stays on. With Bush’s JAR where it is there isn’t that much more damage that could happen.
It seems to me they might decide that the damage caused by losing Rove’s political expertise would be worse than whatever they will suffer from keeping him in place, and as a result there might be no resignation. Am I crazy? Anyone care to weigh in?
dunno if you guys have seen this “Thank You, Steven Colbert” site. It only has about 17,000 thank-yous so far:
http://www.thankyoustephencolbert.org/
Let’s get our butts over there and thank the man.
Tuesday’s Boston Globe -
Kennedy, Leahy, Reid set to condemn Bush on signing statements and 750 . . .
Raw Story
Developing
What MarcLord 56 said. And Marc you’ve done some serious excellence around here yourself.
‘I’d perp walk a million miles for one of your smiles….STRIP SEARCH SAAAAA-MMY!’
Ah–thanks RevDeb. =) Colbert’s act was living history and deserves preservation for posterity. It’s kinda like “The Reichsfuhrer Meets Hamlet.” Intense. Surreal. Genuinely dangerous. Bravest thing I’ve ever seen.
Yeah,I already did the’Thank you’thing.
finally some senators speak out against the signing statements
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0501.html
Three leading Democratic senators attack Bush over ’signing statements’
RAW STORY
Published: Monday May 1, 2006
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Three leading Democratic senators blasted President Bush Monday for having claimed he has the authority to defy more than 750 statutes enacted since he took office, saying that the president’s legal theories are wrong and that he must obey the law, the BOSTON GLOBE will report in Tuesday papers, RAW STORY has learned.
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“We’re a government of laws, not men,” Senate minority leader Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, said in a statement. “It is not for George W. Bush to disregard the Constitution and decide that he is above the law.”
Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, accused Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney of attempting to concentrate ever more government power in their own hands.
“The Bush-Cheney administration has cultivated an insidious brand of unilateralism that regularly crosses into an arrogance of power,” Leahy said in a statement. “The scope of the administration’s assertions of power is stunning, and it is chilling.”
Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, also warned that the Bush administration, abetted by “a compliant Republican Congress,” was undermining the checks and balances that “guard against abuses of power by any single branch of government.”
The senators were responding to a report in Sunday’s Boston Globe which revealed that Bush had sidestepped some 750 laws (Read the report here
The ‘Two W’s’ at the WHCD (one being Bush’s alter ego), original? No.
Colbert does it four nights a week. “Word” ; )
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0605/S00026.htm
I’m curious to hear more details about the “250 pages of emails that resurfaced February 6 from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office and the Office of President Bush.”
can’t stay up any longer. signing off to watch the last segment of our newly crowned hero’s show.
I am the Lord Thy Bush; thou shalt have no other gods before me, thou shalt Adore Me with all thine heart, for only I protecteth thee…
http://www.bgladd.com/The_Disgracer_in_Chief.jpg
RE: the timeline but sorta OT
I am still wondering about Woodward’s role in all of this, and I’m not sure I’ve seen a definitive statement about who his 3 ? sources were. I once thought that Rove might have been one of Woodward’s sources, but I can’t back that up. So, short question, does Woodward fit into this timeline in any definitive way?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01829.html
===Text of Woodward’s Statement
Testifying in the CIA Leak Case
Wednesday, November 16, 2005
[]All three persons provided written statements waiving the previous agreements of confidentiality on the issues being investigated by Fitzgerald. Each confirmed those releases verbally this month, and requested that I testify.
[]I was first contacted by Fitzgerald’s office on Nov. 3 after one of these officials went to Fitzgerald to discuss an interview with me in mid-June 2003 during which the person told me Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA on weapons of mass destruction as a WMD analyst.
I have not been released to disclose the source’s name publicly.===
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....857_2.html
===It is unclear what prompted Woodward’s original unnamed source to alert Fitzgerald to the mid-June 2003 mention of Plame to Woodward. Once he did, Fitzgerald sought Woodward’s testimony, and three officials released him to testify about conversations he had with them. Downie, Woodward and a Post lawyer declined to discuss why the official may have stepped forward this month.===
Stephen Parrish — left you something end of last thread. Ex: Committee for the Preservation of Capitalism (includes MANY big corporations) > 5K to Eagle Forum PAC (only 3 donors) > 7K to Tom Coburn
Rosebud . . .
Strangelove . . .
TCM is smokin’ tonight — Dr Strangelove just ended, and Citizen Kane is up next.
btw — “rosebud” was William Randolph Hearst’s nickname for Marion Davies . . . er, um — special little thingy . . .
Jane,
The timeline is great, but I have one important correction. The Newsweek article you have listed as July 18, 2005 actually came out around July 9 or 10. July 18 was just the publication date on the magazine. You can tell because the July 10 WaPo story actually references the Newsweek story.
This is important because the Newsweek article was the first to report the content of Cooper’s email. When Luskin confirms that Rove discussed Plame with Cooper in the July 10 WaPo article, he is presumably just spinning the contents of the Cooper email. If Rove is to be believe, he still had no recollection of having discussed Plame and had not testified to doing so at that point. So Luskin either made a damaging revelation in that article or he was simply acknowledging what Cooper’s email said, without necessarily vouching for its validity.
JimBOB 61 good Q. The entire Cheney admin M.O. is eff-you bitches, what you gonna do about it.
It is so crucial to have a semblance of an honest media, and we’re so past the graveyard of any such. They can make Rove’s treason into nothing.
I think Colbert was huge. I think they’re all still walking around stung as hell in their heart of hearts, including Dipshit Himself.
Your Q JimB is what we’ve all been asking forever - when will the point be reached that the cosmic shame of these criminals will be inescapable, will eat them alive of its own course. I think this is all that will stop them, since they have deliberately and systematically broken the entire political system and co-opted the media. I don’t think anything’s ever been seen like this. At this point my faith is in nothing but the truth of the old Greek playwrights.
Scracth that last comment. It was a different Newsweek article. This one was from the July 11 issue, but it must have been posted earlier because it was referenced in the July 10 WaPo article.
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002764.htm
===VIDEO - MSNBC: Plame Leak Hurt Ability to Spy on Iran for WMD
Includes Newest Video of Valerie Plame-Wilson
Shuster attended the White House Correspondent’s Dinner. He was able to get a short interview with Joe Wilson. ===
I don’t know if this has been posted, or if it is available via C&L. Anyway, link has link to Shuster interview with Wilson at WHCD.
Reporter from the Globe was on Countdown talking about his article over the 750 broken laws.
btw — “rosebud†was William Randolph Hearst’s nickname for Marion Davies . . . er, um — special little thingy . . .
holy crap, ck! you’ve shaken my whole worldview! c’mon, it was a fuckin sled and innocence, dammit - right? My great granddad’s generation wasn’t really hip to girls’ actual thingies, were they? *head exploding* must go lay my thingy down
As with all dynasties, there are telling moments where the words of those in power, unbeknownst to the individual delivering the message, by comparison to those they have succeeded, predict the future mistakes that will spell their own demise. In identifying the wholesale errors of the vanquished opponent, they inoculate themselves with a righteous assuredness that is seemingly invincible…yet all too often blinded by the need for the type of power and authority that is seen to be virtually absolute.
Karl Rove may be waging his final campaign and it may be over well before November.
more observations here:
www.thoughttheater.com
Anonymous Liberal — thanks you’re right, I have it in my archives as July 10.
Thanks for the continuing coverage of Traitorgate! I think our collective watch of this is helping to hang the traitors. I am just glad patriots Joe and Valerie Wilson didn’t lose their lives over GWClusterfuck and Co’s treason! If some did, may they rest in peace with the fun loving Louisiana folks that died during Katrina.
I know I post this before but it was so uplifting! IMPEACH BUSH behind a plane at Jazz Fest thousands cheered spontaneously! Remember Shrub won because he was “more popular” when “IMPEACH BUSH” becomes popular he he it is all over. Drip Drip Drip.
FDL forever!
I like Susan Ralston being included in the timeline. I saw Mary’s comment earlier today on Ralston that was about, if I read it correctly, how trouble from the Abramoff end of things could be leverage to compel Ralston’s cooperation in the Rove investigation. The effect could be shattering. I can easily see how aspects of different charges of perjury, false statements, and obstruction form a ‘whole’ much stronger than the sum of its parts. If you have a witness to corroborate intent to obstruct, all those lies to the Grand Jury are a whole lot easier to illustrate.
By PETE YOST (Yahoo News)
Wed Apr 26, 7:45 PM ET
The only other time Fitzgerald was seen going before the new panel was Dec. 7. (2005)
FDL: thanks for timeline. Regardless of what Fitz does or when he does it, this and Plame’s work on WMD needs to be told to public so that they “get it.” I’m nost sure how to do that, though.
Hugh #38
Saw your comment on social security. This is OT, but you sounded alarmed. Well, here is consunsus view of normal economists.
The trust fund was never meant to be permanent. Most social security benefits are paid from the younger working generation to the older retired generation. That is a respectable way to run social insurance and many countries do it that way. Economically it is the same as investing in the total productive capacity of the country, a far safer and more stable investment than the stock market and one that has paid off over the long term about as well.
The trust fund was never meant to be permanent, it was supposed to supplement the current system with pre-paid benefits that would serve as a cushion while the bulk of the bably boomers retired.
The only problem in paying back the social security trust fund bonds are future deficits, which are mostly caused by the GW Bush tax cuts if made permanent or not repealed. In other words, the main problem with sailing through the years after the trust fund is exhausted is that BushCo does not want to. The Bush Sr. and Clinton tax increases that reduced the deficits were also great programs to keep social security solvent.
There may or may not be a long term problem with social security. There may be a short fall after baby boom, so that only 70%, or 75%, or 80-90% of scheduled benefits can be paid. Or, we may be able to go on forever paying 100% of the scheduled benefits with no problem at all. This depends on what we think the real per capita growth rate of the economy will be. Lower the real per capita growth rate, then there is a shortfall. That is main point of contention in recent social security trustees reports. Many mainstream economists say that Bush administration has been issuing overly pessimistic reports by 1) lowballing expected real per capita growth rate, 2) lowballing expected immigration, 2) low balling expected future real interest rate returns on trust fund bondfs.
I think there is some truth to these charges. New report came out today. The Bush administration has changed the way it calculates expected real per capita growth several times, in a way that coincidentially keeps it lower than recent history seems to indicate. The report issued today has some very low growth rates that are supposed to be based on new unpublished data, and economics blogs I checked today cannot figure out how they square with published numbers.
Some responsible links on social security:
http://bruceweb.blogspot.com/
http://economistsview.typepad.com/
http://economistsview.typepad......urity.html
http://economistsview.typepad......index.html
http://ecolanguage.net/
Social Security: The Real Connections
http://www.globalaging.org/pen...../index.htm
http://www.socsec.org/
Also chck out Angry Bear blog and Brad DeLong (respectable mainstream macroeconomists when not screaming to impeach GW Bush)
Also, there is nothing wrong with partial privatization if done right (eg, Sweden, Canada, Australia).
apologies for lengthy off topic.
re #86
“the main problem with sailing through the years after the trust fund is exhausted”
should read
“the main problem with sailing through the years after we start drawing on the trust fund and before it is exhausted”
FDL forever!
Yeah baby and you too!
KEEP THE NORSKE FAITH, WE ARE THE TRUE LOVERS AND KEEPERS OF EVERYTHING THIS COUNTRY MEANS!
Night all (still reeling from thingy revelation)
Thanks for the comprehensive timeline, particularly the resources for each entry. It’s so frustrating, trying to wade through all the MSM muck to find the facts.
Question: Where does Tim Russert, Andrea Mitchell, and the other members of the fourth estate (such as it is) fit into the timeline? Were they questioned but not subpoenaed? Did they even testify, or were they just questioned by Fitz and his team? Am I just confused?
I only have one thing to say hang them as they deserve.
And no I’m not kidding.
Traitors need to be…they cry out to be…hung by their fat necks until they are dead.
Just as dead as the, as of this post 2,617, coalition troops who are. Along with tens of thousands of Iraqi’s who were guilty of nothing more than living in a country that The Face of Evil chose…that’s right chose to invade.
A question for yer…are we any different from the Germans who lived under Mr. Hitler?
The answer my friends is: No.
Unless…
We bring Mr. Bush and his crimnal crew to justice.
I’m for it. How about you?
I found this interesting link on another site re the back story to the damage done to Brewster-Jennings and other agents in outing Plame. The scope of B-J was much larger than I thought. This speaks to treason on a huge scale if true. Also gave best explanation of a NOC that I have seen.
http://shininglight.us/mt/ archiv…leaked_cia.html
NumberFour #89: I second. I would like to see a “media diva map.” Maybe more important things to do for the Plamology mavens. Perhaps Mr. Josh Marshall could open up another blog franchise devoted to that. It could be a companion to his Daily Muck blog -maybe, Media Muckers!
KOberman referred to Limbaugh as “comedian Rush Limbaugh” very good
AL — no you were right the first time, I have it in the archives — the July 18 issue came out on July 10.
I feel like the guy who said “Follow the money,” but it’s only a strong hunch on my part.
No inside info., but here you go:
Assume that the e-mail to Hadley was created after the fact. (Remember: it just doesn’t seem to be a real time e-mail. It mentions that Cooper called to talk about welfare reform. Cooper denies that that was mentioned, but Rove had said in his Grand Jury tesimony that it was.)
You guys have to sort it out. I wish I had the time to. You’re doing a great job. I still say: FOLLOW THAT BOGUS E-MAIL TO HADLEY!
It’s like the Rosetta Stone.
Sharkbabe #63,
Geez, a compliment coming from you, I’m flattered. Thanks, that made me feel good. Then my toddler splashed me with his bath water and called me back to reality. I’m just a ranting frustrated-professor-gasbag. But nice place we got here, iddn’t it? Right back atcha.
It seems like the neon lights are quickening along the dark cornices of scandal, playing a little faster and brighter every day. We who are paying attention can feel it, we can see it. I wish there were more I could do than rants and emails among my splashing toddler, my business, my wife’s business and her getting a master’s in public health…but wait there is something I can do and put off for no good reason.
A few weeks ago I noticed a non-paypal donation button. Jane and Christy will know the best way to steer a little money. So here I go…
I think he should be called Rush “Random-Drug-Test” Limbaugh, Aspiring Comedian
I would just encourage all not to get too lost in detail analysis of 1)the Viveka cocktail moment, and 2) the Hadley email timeline.
If you look at this very fine work by Ms. Hamsher, you can start to see that Luskin/Rove treated the cocktail chat and Hadley email as “cover”. These things were “cards to play” only if Cooper got busted (meaning, Coop has to testify). Welllll….Coop had to testify! And out came these “playing cards” by Luskin/Rove.
Employ, if you will, the “Honest Man” test. Pretend you’re accused of something…making some sort of statement to somebody. You honestly can’t remember much! You wrack your brain, you look in your calendar…but damn! Things are fuzzy. The DA questions you, the GJ questions you…you tell them “it didn’t happen”. But you sense that the DA has some doubts, and you acknowledge to yourself that your own hazy memory sounds fishy. You lose alot of sleep over this!
And then….early one morning your lawyer calls you. “Buddy, you WON’T BELIEVE who I had drinks with last night! This chick tells me that her office gossip is ablaze with rumors that you talked to “X” way back then!”
You’re an Honest Man…what do you do? You tell your lawyer “CRAP! I still don’t remember this…but we need to call that DA RIGHT NOW!!! He has some doubts on me…and I can understand why. We need to call him right now and tell him all about this chat over drinks. We need to show him I’m CLEAN and cooperating in every way!!” Lawyer says “you’re damn right.” THAT DAY the phone call is made to the DA.
Now….what did Luskin/Rover do with this info??? They sat on their ass…did nothing…kept their mouth shut. Is that what an “Honest Man” would do? Nope. The cocktail thing was their second line of defense…in case the dam broke. Cooper testified…and so the dam broke.
Ghostman
Rubber Soul 92, link doesn’t work.
Ghostman #99: But that is the honest and *innocent* and *reasonable* man standard. Rove is certainly not honest, and probably not reasonable. He is way too smart to have caught being not honest about not being innocent. He told explained just that the Grand Jury on Friday. One hopes, in the nick of time.
Condi (I’m not going to directly)-LieSa:
So, the question is why couldn’t Rummy understand what Rice is implicitly admitting here?
For the record, Woodward says Colin despises Cheney.
#92: same problem here. I am curious about the Brewster Jennings work. I can’t see how anyone, even BushCo would feel better off not knowing than knowing as much as possible about Iran nuke program. Even if BushCo were up to no good behind the scenes, wouldn’t they want to keep it open to see what others knew about what they were doing. I can’t see that aspect as anything other than a huge goof. They are 100% responsible for it nevertheless. I can’t see it being intentional, though.
Karl has become so focused on trying to avoid a perjury charge that he hasn’t seemed to notice that in the process he’s admitted to outing a covert CIA agent–which is, after all, the original crime.
Oh man, its really late for a school night…
Someone remind me of Bobby’s spin on the seriousness of the Plame leak. Woody is Cheney’s man.
Hell, Skippy, my tinfoil is a bit tight tonight, so I’ll posit that Karl’s idea of discussing welfare reform might be along the lines of, “Well, that’s about as done as welfare reform, Matt! HAHAHA! But, seriously, there’s something else on my mind today. About that Joe Wilson…”
You see, technically, saying he discussed welfare wouldn’t be a lie… But it’s not the truth, either. You have to consider how these guys (especially ove) can twist words. It really could be a ploy that simple.
Three primaries tomorrow- including Ohio- six months to the election.
101: right…I just get the feeling that some folks get lost in the smoke of the microscopic details of cocktails and Hadley. Hell, this story IS complicated….so tis easy to do! Cocktails and Hadley are just more of Rover’s smoke grenades….he’s been lobbing them for years!
102: on this….what is left out of the questions to Condi is…..”so Condi, what you’re saying then is that it was the military’s fault, RIGHT?”
That hasn’t received too much media play…but it’s screaming thru the halls of the Pentagon. Not a smart thing to say, Condi!
Ghostman
Besides, Ghostman, Rove is the guy who had memorized precinct voting records dating back 100 years. And he can’t remember a conversation with a reporter about a CIA agent with a rather unusual name?
Sorry. The Honest man thing might work with someone else, but it can’t work with Rove when it comes to memory.
Blogwhoring again:
Fixing Europe’s Unemployment
The fact is, and I hate to admit it being the socialist that I am, that when minimum wage levels are lowered, the market has more chance of employing a person. This is the basis of the solution - reducing the minimum wage level.
Let’s take a major European country with 10% unemployment - France. At present, France legislates their minimum wage at €7.61 per hour - which, according to today’s exchange rates (US$1 buys €1.2579), is around US$9.57. When you consider the fact that the US minimum wage rate is set at $5.15 per hour, you can see how much harder it is for French businesses to employ staff.
But, of course, imagine if French politicians attempted to legislate a drop in the minimum wage to €4.10 per hour to match the American wage rate - the keywords here would be Bastille and Guillotine.
Moreover, while I certainly agree with the notion that a lower minimum wage level would decrease unemployment, it would also certainly cause that great American institution of “the working poor”, ie people who live in abject poverty but who are fully employed at the same time. So what’s the solution?
Read the full article here
It seems to me that 30 December when Ashcroft removed himself from the process is the key date. Until then, Rove and others thought they could lie with impunity, and so they did.
LJ/Aquaria @ 106 -
So, Cooper did eventually write a mindless article about welfare reform. Much later. Fitz probably asked about that article. I don’t remember, was there an appointment entry for a phone call expected from Cooper about welfare reform somewhere?
Ghostman@99: I had the same scenario as you do soon after the V. Novak story broke; I called it the “innocent man” defense. If I were an innocent Rove and I had heard from my lawyer that someone at Time was contradicting my GJ testimony, then I would arrange a meeting with the prosecutor and the person who was contradicting my story. We would get this sorted out as best as possible before I said another word to the GJ. In this scenario, Cooper never faces a jail threat and the prosecutor learns ASAP what may be an innocent difference of opinion as to what two people think happned in a phone call.
109: yep. you said it better than I could!
Ghostman
Wouldn’t it be fun if Hadley flipped two years ago, and the e-mail was totally faked? Then Rove could be charged with perjury for several of his grand jury appearances…
Why and who? Sand in my eyes…
- Why so desparate to cover it up?
- Close election?
- War crimes?
- Final step of whacking the CIA by running an OP right under their noises?
- All of the above?
All the calls are logged. I don’t remember what Cooper was supposedly on the line about, when. The logs ought to say, but was this the call that Ralston claims wasn’t logged, something about it going through the main WH switchboard, or some such? That happened with one, but I don’t remember if this was it. Somebody help me here…
Oh, and I will again plead with people not to say that Valerie Plame was “outed”. She was an undercover agent. Sleazy closeted gay men are “outed”; undercover agents are “betrayed”.
August 21 2004
KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) … administration officials who have been questioned in this whole investigation, did someone in the White House leak the name of the CIA operative? What is your assessment of the status of the investigation, and can you tell us that you had nothing to do with…
ROVE: Well, I’ll repeat what I said to ABC News when this whole thing broke some number of months ago. I didn’t know her name. I didn’t leak her name.
This is at the Justice Department. I’m confident that the U.S. Attorney, the prosecutor who’s involved in looking at this is going to do a very thorough job of doing a very substantial and conclusive investigation.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
116: yes, ralston says the call went thru main WH board, and so wasn’t logged.
Ghostman
many thanks for that timeline fdl! it’s enabled me to see, for the first time, not only the forest but also each tree in this sordid affair. however, there’s still one small sapling (maybe it’s only a bush?)… whatever, there’s one secondary detail i’m still curious about: do you happen know exactly when someone in the administration (and, do you know who?) appointed v-novac’s husband to a very important government job? could it have been, by chance, right after she had allerted rove’s lawyer to his client’s potential legal predicament? concerning his previous testimony before the grand jury?
Jane,
Thanks for the excellent chronology. It is quite telling that Karl Rove volunteered to testify on October 15, 2004 (2 days after Cooper is held in contempt). One thing to flesh out is when in October Luskin handed over the Hadley email to Fitzgerald. If he handed over the email after Cooper was held in contempt, Karl’s goose is cooked.
But Ghostman… I seem to recall some remarks that it didn’t matter how Rove got the call. Ralston was supposed to record it, IIRC.
If so, it’s awfully fishy, that call not getting logged properly. You might say someone didn’t want anyone to know about it, and, later, thought no one would get upset if one eensy weensy call got “overlooked.” I mean, people forget, right?
Uh, back to my post at 109…
pfina — thanks much, I’ve added it.
Ralston was supposed to record the call, as in a logging record, not an NSA kind of recording.
Dave #120 - I forgot about that. So many pieces to the puzzle, so many players on the field.
just did a little statistical arithmetic. FDL has had, as of my writing, more than a thousand comments posted since five o’clock this morning. i’m wondering if this is just average for FDL or what? wonder if any other blogs have this much activity…….
Thanks. Maybe I’m imagining things (in a moonbat way). But I thought I remembered someone saying that Ralston told Rove the incoming call was about welfare reform and then he took it. Maybe in the morning I’ll look for and convince myself that was “fact collision”.
122: well, in any event, it didn’t get logged. Oh, there’s lots of bad fingerprints all over the minutae of this sordid tale!
Ghostman
all this is going to go on brewing past 2008 with Bush-Cheney getting away scot free handing out pardons to rot the brew and terminate any judicial process
Sharkbabe
Well, I think we still have some semblance of a system of law, though it’s in tatters. Rove after all did feel compelled to go back to the GJ to defend himself. While Bush has claimed a nearly limitless legal mandate to do whatever he wants, as yet they aren’t openly defying the law. In the NSA business, they came up with some transparently flimsy legal reasoning to back their position, rather than just openly declaring W as dictator.
So we’ll have to see if Rove resigns if(when) he’s indicted. Given that he’s the administrations best hope for staving off Democratic takeover of at least one house of congress (with resulting subpoena power) I can’t see them letting him go no matter what happens with Fitzgerald and the GJ.
KOberman referred to Limbaugh as “comedian Rush Limbaugh†very good
KO always says “comedian” before saying Rush’s name. Every single time. :)
Just did a sweep of the daily’s web sites, not a single mention of Plame/Iran/WMD. Safer. Stronger.
OT: MsAnnaNola, just saw that Fats is ill, hope he gets to play Jazzfest this weekend! Never liked Springsteen like I do Neil, but he took it to “President Bystander” yesterday at the Fairgrounds! Thinking always of your wonderful city. We bought xmas gifts from places like Basin St. Records, La. Music Factory, pralines, etc. Bought my bride the “We Will Rise Again” Blue Dog piece for charity. Hopefully we’ll be back in 2007.
If Rove instructed Ralston to do anything unconventional (or destructive) to avoid leaving a timely trail to Cooper, or having such a trail discovered, either before Cooper’s call, or anytime after it, the picture of his state of mind becomes ever more clear. The Ralston interview came late in the game as if Fitzgerald was circling back with knowledge and a purpose.
semblance #131
Is that a riff on the way Rush describes himself as an “entertainer”, and not a political operative?
wesgpc (#92):
Something that Sibel Edmonds said awhile back that still resonates with me. She was talking about her being silenced, the AIPAC scandal and TreasonGate. She said to the effect that all 3 of these led to the same people. The way I read it was illicit weapons sales which involved some high level players and that was why she was slapped with the State Secrets thing. Her judge in the case, I believe was Reggie Walton….which has always worried me.
Plame may have been another investigator to these sales, that was silenced. Over at Citizenspook, he believes that this had alot more than just retaliation against Joe Wilson.
I’ve often wondered (and perhaps this is way out there) that Plame dug up something that was too heavy to pursue. Knowing this, she had to be public, to avoid something drastic. Since the Bush admin is legendary for being vindictive, send out the hubby to make public the already known truth and trick them into attacking you via the press. Since that has happened, she is safe from further reprisal as anything that happens to her is traceable back to the known players in this case.
On the Adam Levine entry for October 25, 2005, I’d change that one to RE-interviewed. He’d already testified before the grand jury once, on February 6, 2004.
…are you all (or any of you) calling Karl Rove a Queen? Cause I always thought he was, waaaaay back when…was he the Queen who got the visits from the kingly stud Gannon? Is Rove married? Astrologically Rove is in big trouble and the end of next week looks especially troublesome for him…he has finally met his match with Fitzgerald, that is one sure thing…
Ron @ 135 -
Warren Strobel, a reporter, said a source told him something similar.
Frank Probst - 117 - good point — it would be interesting/useful to find out who first characterized the Plame Affair as an “outing”.
fahrender - 126 - Atrios seems to get a couple grand per weekday . . .
Tryggth:
It took me a while (crazed cat needing my attention here) but I found the date of Cooper’s welfare reform article: September 22. That’s well over two months after Plame was outed. Of course, I’m not so sure that some articles don’t take longer to write/get into the magazine than others. That might not be terrrrrribly significant. But it might be.
My Fellow FDLians:
I have never asked anyone here to write anything to anyone about anything, and am not likely to do so again, but in THIS case, I implore you to show some love to Mr. Cobert, who has put it all on the line to speak truthiness to power, and who, in my opinion, has done so with courage, brilliance, and viciously incisive humor.
This is the email:
thelionelshow@aol.com
… of an otherwise great talk show host who has somehow arrived at the braindead take that Colbert “bombed” at the WHPC dinner because the people THERE didn’t laugh that much! How stupid is that? Of course they didn’t laugh. They were the butts of the jokes, and if we stop joking for a moment, the press corps of this country are the biggest single reason that Bush has gotten away with so much bullshit. It doesn’t take canned laughter to appreciate Colbert’s humor and it doesn’t take half a brain to realize why there was dead, squirming, sweaty, delicious silence in that room as he landed each body blow to the decider in chief and his army of journalistic whores.
Radio host Lionel also thought it in poor taste to attack the president to his face. I say thank God someone finally had the guts to do it.
I only ask that you drop Lionel the braindead talk show host a line and tell him how completely full of crap he is on this subject.
Dave at 120 - IIRC, Viveca’s husband did not get appointed to his new plum job until early January 2006. Ya know, Bush and crew are such smug bastards, they didn’t even worry that his job would look like a super pay-off to Viveca.
Spiderpaws:
Rove is on his second marriage (his first lasted less than five years).
The second marriage has lasted almost 20. They have one child.
Jane, this timeline is great. It reinforces my hope/feeling that the pieces of this puzzle may finally be coming together.
It is amazing to me that the Plame case–which is what first drew so many of us to FDL, just as, if I remember correctly, it inspired you to first begin blogging–may yet be the proverbial straw. “Amazing” because so many other scandals and so much other lawbreaking have come to light since then, any one of them should have been enough to “breach the levees” around this WH.
Yet, as we all must have sensed way back when, the Plame case stood the best chance because it was the only one that got away before they knew what had hit them–the only scandal or crime for which a real investigation was launched directly involving the WH.
Your timeline and its implications give me further hope that our faith and patience (and rallying cry) have been justified and that it won’t be long now.
Thanks for all you and Christy and this community have done to motivate, inform, keep us laughing, and never let us give up hope.
—
rat bastahd @ 132
OT: I hope Fats is better too. He is a wonderful performer. I was dragged to Springsteen, but it was great. All bluegrass and folk songs. I was very impressed and never thought I would type those words. Just saw the Rolling Stone article about it today. Same issue as “Worst President Ever?”. I would buy the CD.
I hope you get back here. We need all the help we can get.
Flashback (something sadly not different):
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....se.07.html
From the referenced transcript:
Indeed.
frank probst / 117– great point. i really hope ‘betrayed’ takes over. you’re right, it should replace ‘outing.’ betrayed is exactly what happened.
Rove’s remark, “wilson’s wife is fair game,” makes me as angry today as it did when i first heard it. thank you, jane, for including it the timeline. i’ve always thought [hoped?] that line would come back to bite Rove in the ass.
we can only imagine the kind of sacrifices valerie plame had to make to do her job. in what imitation human being’s mind does a woman who put her life on the line for her country for years become ‘fair game?’
Ohio Blue:
I thought I was the only one who noticed Bush’s bald-faced bribe of Hovak & her Hubby.
After reading the timeline and some of these comments, I think that nice man in the picture might exaggerating quite a bit.
Was not Novak’s husband’s appointment in the works long before the testimony with the Grand Jury? I think it was.
Here’s Jane’s initial take on Viveca Novak’s husband being given the FEC job, with a link to the WaPo story which accidentally forgot to mention who he was married to:
http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005/12/cozy.html
Sharkbabe is the reigning queen of fitzisms.
Great summary Jane - gracias
Jane,
Thanks for this great resource.
Clio 26:
O, what a tangled web we weave,
when first we practice to deceive.
…
Don’t know who said it.
I’m going with Charlotte, who, evidently thinking of Karl, wove “Some Pig” in her web.
Just back from a rehearsal and I am so pumped. I hope it isn’t a waste of pumpiness….
Why didn’t CNN, the old TV nets, MSNBC, etc not run photos of Valerie Plame yesterday and today? She was very photogenic. Ignoring Colbert was fairly predictable, but her? As somebody pointed out somewhere else Monday, she looks like a supermodel and has twin 6-yo kids and used to be a spy.
Other than my skepticism on that - maybe its too much for the Norons ans so ons to digest at once - I’m pumped.
The Wade investigation is on…..
Rove gets indicted within the next two weeks……
The Republican leadership is backing up so hard for so many reasons, they’re starting to remind me of the old joke about Italian tanks in WWII - five speed transmissions, with four of them in reverse.
wesgpc - According to Sourcewatch, Lenhard was nominated December 16, 2005, 8 days after Viveca Novak met with Fitzgerald for the second time. (Haven’t checked wrt GJ appearances.)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....D._Lenhard
sorry for the 2xneg…
Greg Mitchel of E&P gives a GREAT SMACKDOWN of that putz Dana Milbank. Read and ENJOY!!!!!!!!
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp.....1002426015
the crime happened the night of the 29th of september, 03. can’t somebody subpoena the blackberry correspondences between gonzales and the white house staff? i mean, if the orders to shred are anywhere, they’re there.
JWR #159: But wasn’t he recommended for nomination months before that by some commission or Congressperson(s)? I’m not sure but I vaguely remember something like that punctured the obvious and initial suspicions.
Whatever, I am just enjoying the fact that Rove’s fingers seem way too far apart in that picture.
fyi, impeachment season has officially opened.
on monday morning, vermonters delivered three resolutions for impeachment to speaker hastert and were promised by their congressman bernie sanders that they would be introduced to the house.
these are the first of the state initiated resolutions to make it to congress. expect more resolutions to follow. let the games begin!
for more details, check out my posts “season opener” and “tremors” which is a synopsis of last week’s developments.
Header for Mitchell link above from Franco #161:
“When the President Joked About Not Finding WMD
Many say Stephen Colbert went too far in lampooning President Bush at the White House Correspondents Dinner, or was just “not funny.” Where was all that disapproval when Bush, at a very similar gathering two years ago, built a whole comedy routine around not finding WMD in Iraq?”
I think that is a very good question. Colbert was more outta line than joking about mistakes (or worse) that resulted in war death and destruction? “How low can you go?”, I thought at the time.
Maybe they are like Senators when Caligula insisted his horse be admitted to the Senate, (or did he deify the poor horse?). Anyway, they had to humor Little Boots.
wesgpc - This caused some consternation back when he was nominated, with some saying he was nominated by the Dems. He wasn’t. He was recommended by some Dems, which I think is kind of a long standing FEC nomination process.
June 24, 2003
Pelosi, Daschle Recommend Robert Lenhard for Federal Election Commission
http://democraticleader.house......easeID=324
Here is a growing list of supposed voices of reason who missed the point of Colbert’s Bush takedown:
http://projects.washingtonpost.....a+milbank/
thelionelshow@aol.com
Catching up on the law-May-loyalty day wit and wisdom of fdl.
Jane said earlier today - well worth reposting!:
“I fear no one on the right. Ever. All they are capable of is wavering between ham-fisted brutality and self-righteous pecksniffery. They are outrageously pretentious and their bubbles so easily burst. I think it emboldens the entire left side of the blogosphere, knowing that those on the right are completely incapable of coming back at them with anything other than unimpressive, humorless thuggery.”
Bravo, Jane. I often doubt I’m as courageous about all this as you cretainly are.
“certainly are.”
obsessed - The night of Colbert’s performance, I was periodically checking in on a freeper thread live-blogging the dinner. According to them, Colbert bombed, while Bush was pretty much the second coming of Henny Youngman. Best freeper comment wrt Colbert:
“Nobody is laughing - doesn’t he get that?”
OT - Who here is going to the Yearly Kos?
I didn’t have time to read all the comments, so please forgive me if this is already an old issue.
I still wonder about that silly stunt that Rove pulled when he posed in front of the wheels of Air Force 1. That was during the election canpaign, wasn’t it?
Does that give any insight into the inner workings of Rove’s mind (ugh) on this issue? I know that this is not a huge issue in all this, but it struck me at the time as a really strange thing to do. Was he saying that he was laying down his life for the re-election cause? Somehow, I think that Karl always thinks that Karl will get away with whatever scam he’s working at the time…just like W does.
Am I crazy?
….Revealing Brewster Jennings and V. Plame’s identity ruined V. Plame’s career and everything connected to BJ -
which means that if BJ was involved with uncovering plans to plant WMD’s in Iraq that part of the CIA network was destroyed and/or compromised.
I mean, wouldn’t it surprise you if the WH wasn’t actively trying to plant WMD’s in Iraq?
And wouldn’t the WH do Anything to prevent us from finding out about it?!
including purging the CIA?
Matt O #171
I am a maybe. Depends on the price of gas and how much it costs to attend the panel. Fixed income and rising gas prices don’t help.
Just out from the WaPo:
Lawyers: Libby Needs Media Records
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00086.html
As some have remarked, it is a tangled tale. So much minutia. I get reminded of little bits and pieces from time to time as I have followed this story since the Summer of 03.
It will be interesting when the book comes out…huh? We will learn how we chased fabricated stories and leaks about who did what and said what when. We know Fitz doesn’t leak so alot of what we have has come from players of the game. We will find out whose theories were right.
A Plame Junkie Too
From the WaPo story I linked above:
“The key to Libby’s defense is whose memory is correct _ Libby’s or three reporters who talked with him in June and July 2003. His lawyers said they need the reporters’ records to use in cross-examining them and government officials, who, the lawyers said, may be “shading” the truth to protect themselves or their bosses.”
You hear that Karl?
Suzanne - I believe it’s $95 to sign up for the convention, plus $98/night rooms, travel expenses (I’ll be flying) and standard tourist expenses.
The reason why I asked was because I wanted to know if anybody would want to split a double at the Riviera from Wednesday night to Sunday morning. No preference on guy or girl. Non-smoker, though.
Thanks, Matt O. IF I am able to do it, I would only be able to drive in for the panel and then head back to the SF Bay Area. At $98 a night for rooms, I dunno…
Suzanne -
SF Bay Area huh? I was born in Oakland, grew up in Hayward and Danville.
Landing in the middle of this steaming pile-o-crap will be the release of Jack Abramoff’s visits to the White House and who he saw. That happens on May 10.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....hdA–
Bush’s spokesman has said Abramoff attended “a few staff-level meetings” at the White House, as well as Hanukkah receptions in 2001 and 2002.
This is gonna be the biggest train wreck in history.
RE: The new report on Brewster Jennings. Remember what Col. Wilkerson said,”More leaks are coming, you ain’t seen nothing yet.”
#173:
I mean, wouldn’t it surprise you if the WH wasn’t actively trying to plant WMD’s in Iraq?”
relax scutty — even for the sole superpower, smuggling wmds ain’t easy! the biggest (known) player in the black market, pakistan’s aq khan, sold plans only and hooked up buyers & sellers of aluminum tube technology. no weapons!
besides, i think even this administration would be afraid of the real think falling directly out of their hands, especially if they could get blamed for it.
Gyro:
Should be interesting exactly how many times Bush forgot Abramoff was over.
Bush administration officials sure forget things a lot.
Gyro –
Do you happen to know if the Secret Service is willingly agreeing to turn over the Abramoff info, or is this something being forced on them at metaphorical gunpoint by a judge in some kind of legal wrangling over the matter of the logs?
I ask that because I can well imagine that there are some S.S. types who are sick to death of the petulant brat and his team of arrogant WH sycophants. Perhaps at least some of them are pleased with the notion of helping Georgie hoist himself on his own imperial petard.
OTOH, whenever I hear about this extraordinarily sinister executive branch being forced (kicking and screaming) to cough something up, I find myself wondering if the same crew which was so happy to make use of Nigerien yellowcake forgeries — so crude that the crest of arms on the letterhead looked like it was drawn by a sixth grade boy doodling during English class — wouldn’t be stupid and arrogant enough to try to hand in altered Secret Service logs…
Stupid Question: What happens if Rove is indicted? Who would become the new Rove? Would it be Ken “Mealy-Mouth” Melman? The reason I ask is that with the impendingcharges he’s facing, Rove has been making alot of Blunders that have come to define the incompetence of the Bush Admin. A new Rove might reverse that trend.
Rove let Katrina get out ahead of him and politically handled it too slowly. He has not pivoted on strategy in IraqMire. He’s allowed 2 Dubai deals to aggrivate his base. He allowed Harriet Myers. He allowed the Immigration debate to blow up on them. For him to not wave Bush off on condeming the Spanish version of the National Anthem is going to cost the GOP the Hispanic Vote for years, if that wasn’t already blown by the House bill. Bush’s “Guest Worker” push is going to cost him dearly on the anti immigrant side of the coin (with his “base”). He’s not had Bush veto a single Bill that could be used as a story to recapture fiscal conservatives. He caused Snotty to look like a fool, defending him. He clearly blew the Social Security Privatization push. He’s just so preoccupied now that everything he touches, turns to…”turdblossom”’s.
I’m beginning to wonder if we would be better off with him indicted, or with him right where he is with the sword hanging over his head with Bush, until Bush is gone. I’m thinking of the old saying “Becareful of what you wish for, you may get it”.
Then again, I also have been waiting a long time to see him indicted.
Is this a stupid question?
#186
“A new Rove might reverse that trend.”
only if the new rove can — before november — get the white house to …
1) withdraw from iraq
2) disappear the deficit
3) lower gas prices
4) create new jobs — lots of new jobs
5) stop the scandals
… for starters.
in other words, these guys are toast.
Ron Russell 186–
Rove let Katrina get out from under him not just politically but (in theory) operationally as well. Remember, Bush actually put him in charge of the cleanup. Except no one took that seriously, no one called him to account, and the assignment evaporated.
There’s been a lot of that kind of thing. Like when Bush put Condo in charge of Iraq stabilization in 2003, an assignment no one heard from again…so much so that when Bush re-put Condo in charge of Iraq stabilization again in 2005, the irony and horror were lost on almost everyone except for the random, pathetic DKos diarist: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/14/1910/4600
It would be an excellent research project for someone to list all instances of Bush putting someone in charge of something really important and then no one (not the administration, and certainly not the missing-white-woman-chasing media) ever (or hardly ever) mentioning it again, because they never took it seriously for starters.
My original word for FITZ
COSMITHEREALAMERICAN
my definition -
a heavenly cosmic
spiritual soul bound by the cosmic
laws of the universe that will achieve
victory for mankind against all odds
examples:
Martin Luther King
Gandhi
Saint Theresa
Cosmic
adj 1: of or from or pertaining to or
characteristic
of the cosmos or universe; “cosmic laws”;
inconceivably extended in space or time
inconceivable -victory against all odds.
ethereal
Of the celestial spheres; heavenly.
Not of this world; spiritual.
Just watched Frist on CNN “interviewed” by Soledad O’brian. He was trying to sell his $100 gas “relief” (which would amount to 1-2 takns of gas). He fended off the notion that that would look like they were trying to buy off the American public - Even Rush Limblough said that. But, he said that some Dems. had suggested $500 per person, he said that would really look like they were trying to buy off the public. Then he started pushing ANWR drilling - said it would bring 1,000,000 per day.
Soledad O’brein proved Colbert’s points that the press, in general, sux. She didn’t question anything Frist spewed. Not even the FACT that nobody knows how much oil, if any, is in ANWR - it could be none.
One way or another, they will drill there. They don’t care about the environment at all except how much money they can get for pimping it out like a 2 cent whore. When they do finally drill there, I hope there is nothing.
‘Morning all–
Rove must be providing evidence. It doesn’t make sense otherwise; that he would get so many chances to get his story straight.
there can be no question that traitor karl is behind the plame fiasco. Being rotten to the core; a thoroughly and completely vile individual with absolutely no redeeming value, masterminding a political hatchet job on the Wilsons is his perfect MO.
“in other words, these guys are toast.”
repukelicans learned from Poppy and they learned from Iraq, maintaining active military operations is the best way to get the dullard ‘Murkan vote. Don’t discount an active invasion of Iran as a means for the bushliar-criminal regime to avoid defeat in the fall of 2006.
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Some added context for late September and early October 2003.
This WH press briefing from September 29th 2003 strongly indicates they believed they could ride this out as long as the press refused to reveal their sources. McClellan makes it very clear, and Bush himself said similar things in early October.
July 11 — Luskin tells the Washington Post that Rove discussed Plame with Cooper but did not name her:
I am almost certain I have read that in fact Rove referred to “Wilson’s wife,” with the highly disingeneous implication that this did not amount to “naming her.”
Outstanding timeline. I anxiously await the Fitz narrative about the story of Piggly Wiggly.
I think the great lesson to learn here is that there are many people like Karl Rove across this great Nation. I can only speak for the Southern culture that I know well..Slavery did not die in the south it morphed into peoople like this administration and KKKarl Rove
DEMOCRACY DOES NOT EXSIST EVEN IN AMERICA UNLESS YOU CAN PRACTICE IT.
…I call them men and women (Condi too.) (who decends from the “passed” (ole black term) who lived in the big house who developed their own cast system against their darker negros, and by her demeanor she expresses that to me)now back to KKKarl… he is a poor white man who latched onto the weatlhy family intown(he went cheap, $157000,00 a year)you know ..the families who line their pin stripe suits in the KKK white sheets of their ancestors…
This POTUS was a uniter alright he united the hate of the NORTH & SOUTH ELITEST…
thus your southern history lesson..
but the other states have their factors too
Utah and Big love comes to mind..Orrin Hatch.. illeagal alien abuse..until these “shitted nest”(my mother’s term the only curse word she ever used throughout her life)) against democracy are removed from each State in this Nation we are not free..WE ARE ONLY AS FREE AS THE POOREST MAN OR WOMAN IN EACH SMALL SOCIETY AND TOWN THROUGHTOUT AMERICA..
IF DEMOCRACY DOES NOT EXIST FOR THEM IT WILL SOON NOT EXIST FOR ALL..
LOOK WHAT SIX YEARS OF THIS HIDDENHATE HAS DONE TO THIS GREAT NATION..UNTIL WE ROOT OUT THIS HIPOCRACY IN OUR LEADERS IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN..
Jane
To add to the details on the timing of the release of Rove’s email, there’s this passage from Cooper’s story:
Luskin tried to coach Cooper’s testimony, before the fact.
This will likely be EPU’s but I’ll repost in the new thread, too. Has anyone seen this link at TPM for the Sunlight Foundation? They are actively providing grants for greater transparency for citizens to understand what’s happening in legislative areas (including the “follow the money” angle) using the internet to imagine new linkages and strategies. They also have many good links to public information and are following issues and reporting. They just rolled out the site a week ago but have been organized since January, as I read it. They are hoping for a kind of one-stop shopping approach to researching a congressperson or group. Sounds extremely helpful, I haven’t played with it yet.
http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/
zennurse says:
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:51 am
Thank you very much for posting that information about the Sunlight Foundation and providing the link to its Web site.
This timeline is superb, Jane. My only suggestion (at this point) would be that it be merged with a timeline of the “prequel.” The events leading up the decision to leak…Wilson’s report, meetings on Airforce 1, etc.
Great job!!
And more point about Mark Levine. Part of his testimony in Fall 2005 related to an email supposedly exchanged between him and Rove just before Karl left for vacation.
I have a suspicion that that may have been Fitzgerald’s way of getting another email written in almost the same circumstance as the Rove-Hadley email (internal email sent at about the same time), which would have given him email log information which may have helped him ascertain whether the Rove-Hadley email was intact.
Jane, this is a wonderful timeline of the Plame affair so far. Ultimately however, to truly understand what happened we also need a timeline for the Niger forgeries and the aftermath. As we know the Niger forgeries story ultimately led to the Plame leak. The two streams are intertwined and are ultimately part of the same larger stream of deceptions by George Bush and his traitorous minions.
Free Kittens (5 of them). Ms. Crystal is very proud of herself, as she should be. This is her first litter. The colors and markings on a couple of them made me ask her where she’d been. She just looked me with reproachful indignation.
Here’s something from Oct 3, 2003 by Justin Raimondo.
It’s amazing how spot on he was with his view back then.
L’AFFAIRE PLAME
It’s about more than ‘outing’ a CIA officer. It’s about treason….
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j100303.html
http://www.eriposte.com/
That is a good resource on Yellowgate - act 1
As is the James Moore article ,’ Judy’s tubes of terror ‘ BTW if you want a regular news clipping service I highly reccomend Carolyn Kay @makethemaccountable.com
Send her some $ if you can afford it.
With the timeline above - the Abu ‘ 18 minute gap’ really pissed me off. He and Card look fithy dirty from that. Also Gold-bars, V.Novackula and the Monsignor ( Russert ) have hardly covered themselves in glory.
They should all be named and shamed as much as possible inmho. Vampires hate sunlight and mirror’s I hear.
Woodworm has seriously pissed me off by slithering off to the dark side and can almost be placed with those disgusting red/brown fascist’s , Hitchen’s and Ledeen.
We need to be awake to the machinations of these bad actors and all their stinking klingon’s.
Once Turd B is in the bag we can turn our attention to the next set of crooks and criminals up the chain of command. That should enable a lot more exposure of the Yellowgate ‘ prequel’ and heaps more factoids to come out.
While I suspect a link with the AIPAC espionage case and the Niger forgeries the Sibel Edward’s and Wayne Madsen extrapolation’s need more corroboration - we don’t want to get our tit’s caught in a big bad wringer do we now?
Although I fear a sellout by the DLC and sabotage from the FBI we can smoke them all out of their bunkers and get them on the run.
Fitz is on the way with more ammo than we’ll be able to carry on mule’s!
I hope we are all rested and ready for battle this Fitzmas eve. Folks not alive today will be talking about this epic struggle in years to come.
Let’s make them proud and our enemies bleed. The twilight of the neocons draws near - soon they will breathe their last and we will all breathe free.
!ztiF
Over to the new thread, folks.
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#193
“Don’t discount an active invasion of Iran as a means for the bushliar-criminal regime to avoid defeat in the fall of 2006.”
if bush & co. actually believes this they really really will be toast. there just aren’t enough “dullard murikans” left to win 2006 for them.
not only that, the current no-longer-dullard plus the never-were-dullard majority — along with the rest of the planet — will be so horrified by yet another unnecessary war, especially if it includes an unprecedented nuclear strike, that losing 2006 will be the least of bush’s worries.
’cause they’ll get impeached at home and convicted in the world court.
emptywheel @ 199 –
Now THAT is a theory that makes sense — Cooper left a message about Welfare Reform; then called back later in the week to ask about Wilson Plame. Because Rove knew exactly what he was doing, he asked Ralston to NOT log the call, and wrote an email to Hadley to establish the Welfare Reform alibi.
Timeline: 2003: July 11
Time for a new thread, but for the record, I want to add this on Cooper’s phone conversation with Rove (according to the Time article). Cooper says this:
Cooper is being naïve when he speculates that Rove might have meant that he has been on the phone too long, or he has to run, as opposed to his having revealed too much (”being indiscreet”). The choice of words, “I’ve already said too much,†in common usage nearly always means one has revealed more than they should have.
If Cooper said this under oath (he says he did in the Time article), then if I were a Grand Juror, I would pay attention to the nuances of what has been said by the two parties especially in the context, in this case about Plame/Wilson. As a juror I would think about what peope mean when they use that phrase, and give it appropriate weight, and I would conclude that Rove probably has something to hide.
There is about this whole Plamegate, Iran, Iraq, Syria PNAC evil scheme, an evil air of manipulation and misdirection.
Arlen Specter’s claim that the ‘president is walking all over congress.’, when combined with complaints that the president is pursing broader powers relentlessly, combined with portrayals of him as a zoloft drugged, bible thumping maniac, read like an elaborate alibi prepared in advance.
Even the Plame controversy and its possible intersection with the ‘War with Iran’ mad dogs seems suspect. I have a fear of some media warmongering manipulators watching the plamegate unfoldings with glee, knowing in advance who will fall, who will be sacrificed or tarred with scandal, knowing all the while that the ‘real villians’ are going to walk away unscathed, and their various catspaws will be the held responsible.
The continued fracturing of power along pro-war and anti-war sectarian lines, with the anti-war groups being continuously split along various social and moral agendas, adds weight and strength to the agressively organized pro-war movement.
Frightening.
#209
you must not be paying attention. As we blog, US Special operations forces are in Iran marking targets. And if you think that the majority of Americans won’t go scurrying to hide under king george’s skirt when the bombs start flying, and if you think that the bushliar-criminal regime wouldn’t invade iran for exactly that purpose, then I think you know little of human nature. A democratic takeover of congress means impeachment. traitor karl and the gang will do whatever it takes to prevent that.
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A shout out to Rubber Soul, Ron Russell, tryggth, scutty, and others in the know: do you have a single article or web source that lays out, in detail, the connections between Plamegate, illegal neocon weapons sales and their war on the CIA, and plots to hide WMDs in Iraq?
I’m hearing bits and pieces from your posts here and elsewhere (like citizenspook at http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/) and I’d really like to hear more about the subject.
A coherent narrative about the possible connections - much like Jane’s Plamegate timeline - would be a real public service to people like me who need to see it all laid out.
THanks!!!
Joseph Cannon posts stuff I don’t See in other places. This is really scary.
It’s easy to foresee how the scam will work. First, the feds will target a liberal activist. Then, spoofing the email address of a friend, they will send the target a link with an innocent-seeming URL. The link contains a kiddie-porn image. There’s a record of the visit, admissible in court…and viola. One activist visits the slammer, others are intimidated, and conservative propagandists portray themselves as the party of virtue trying to save your children from demonic liberals.
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Jane:
Just wanted to add my thanks to you for this post. I will refer to it numerous times in the future. Excellent!
This timeline is an answer to my prayers. I was about to write to request that you publish one, as I can never keep it all straight, what with all the confusing, “oh, I forgot” prevaricating from Libby, Rove, and Miller. I certainly didn’t expect to see one in the NYT, which loves graphics of this kind. They will wait until it’s all over before they give us the information.
Jane, thanks for the timeline – I know it had to have been a lot of work; I printed it out and plan to refer to it often.
Given the hour of the day, this is sure to be EPU’d, but I wanted to get some thoughts down – maybe more for my own clarity on this issue, but if others find any value in it, great!
This whole mess seems to be about one person – Joe Wilson – becoming the wrench in the machinery that was grinding on toward war with Iraq. Up until Joe Wilson went to Niger, nothing was standing in the way of their plans. Yes, there was definitely disagreement among intelligence officials about WMD and about Saddam’s push to obtain nuclear material, but the administration had been able to successfully quell reports of those disagreements because it was all happening on the inside.
Until a decision was made to send Joe Wilson to Niger. There is no question that the man had the contacts in the region, that he knew people and knew those people could put him in touch with others who could help him delve into the yellowcake issue. This is a man who was praised for his honor and integrity by none other than George Bush’s father; no one hesitated to send him on this mission out of fear that his politics might color his findings.
Wilson went to Niger, and returned with doubts about the allegations, and verbally advised the CIA of his findings. Imagine his confusion when he heard the president’s State of the Union speech, and heard Bush say those famous 16 words. His NYT op-ed piece of July 6, 2003, describes in detail how he came to question what the president asserted. Given his personal experience in helping to determine the validity of the yellowcake claims, it was eminently reasonable to ask, publicly, whether there should be a more extensive look at how – or if - intelligence was improperly used to justify war with Iraq.
The NYT piece was apparently interpreted as a shot across the bow of the administration’s ship, and could not be allowed to stand unchallenged.
Between the July 6 publication of Wilson’s op-ed piece, and the July 14th publication of the Robert Novak op-ed that named Valerie Plame as a CIA agent, a number of White House officials were engaged in discussions about ways to counter Wilson’s implied accusations, and these people were reaching out to members of the print media to begin the usual smear campaign. It appears that one of the weapons in their arsenal was the knowledge that Wilson’s wife was involved.
By the time Robert Novak outed Ms. Plame, he had already had a conversation with someone at the CIA who cautioned him not to use her name. It seems reasonable to believe that if someone in the media was having that conversation with someone at the CIA, that those involved in discussions about Plame at the White House were also aware that she worked in the Directorate of Operations, and that she was a Non-Official Cover agent.
In the almost three years since Valerie Plame was outed, we have had at least two major instances of members of the media being asked by the administration to refrain from publishing or to hold a story for national security reasons. In the case of Valerie Plame, however, it appears that there was no such request made of Bob Novak before he published the name of an agent who was working on nuclear proliferation issues related to Iran, and whose op-ed exposed in the process the cover company – Brewster-Jennings – for whom Plame officially worked. They allowed and perhaps engineered and participated in a major breach of national security, and one has to infer that they did so because their personal political interest was more important to them than the collateral damage suffered by exposing Plame and Brewster-Jennings.
These people are the kind who believed that making Wilson look like he had been doing his wife’s bidding would both humiliate and emasculate Wilson, and in the eyes of many, would render Wilson’s conclusions little more than mealy-mouthed drivel from a henpecked, has-been husband. This was classic right-wing red meat, and if you go back and look at what has been – and is still being – said about Wilson, you will see that it worked.
Libby and Rove were most definitely players in this drama, and while Rove may have contributed his so-called brilliance to the formation of a plan of attack, Rove doesn’t make the decisions; in this case, I think it was Cheney, and I think that all this tap-dancing Rove has been doing has been in an effort to keep Cheney out of it.
And I think Fitzgerald either knows this, or has reason to suspect it, and is playing out more and more rope to Rove for as long as he can, to get as much of a case as he can, before he actually indicts him. My belief is that by the time indictments are handed up, Rove will have made Fitzgerald’s case for him.
At some point, the national security implications of outing Valerie Plame are going to come to the forefront of the discussion, and I think the Rove indictments are going to take it there.
gadfly says:
May 1st, 2006 at 11:51 pm
the crime happened the night of the 29th of september, 03. can’t somebody subpoena the blackberry correspondences between gonzales and the white house staff? i mean, if the orders to shred are anywhere, they’re there….
Actually wasn’t it Hadley who was immediately told by Abu? I think it is his blackberry we should be checking as well?
Possibly significant missing item
On January 23 of this year (2006) Fitzgerald reportedly told Libby’s defense team:
I’m not at all sure what it means or how it fits in (or even if it has subsequently been found to be untrue). But it struck me as odd when I first read it and, along with the missing phone log entries, seems indicative of a possible cover-up.
– MarkusQ
REMgent says:
May 2nd, 2006 at 7:37 am
A shout out to Rubber Soul, Ron Russell, tryggth, scutty, and others in the know: do you have a single article or web source that lays out, in detail, the connections between Plamegate, illegal neocon weapons sales and their war on the CIA, and plots to hide WMDs in Iraq?……
http://www.democraticundergrou.....c_id=66773
A great research compilation.
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May 1st, 2006 at 10:51 pm
Obsesssed - good thought. here is my email
Re: 221 - Thanks hang a left!
I betcha ol’ Turd Blossom aint gonna be callin’ nobody “unpatriotic” anymore. At least not in public. Ha! I’m glad the President hasn’t let him go yet, more ammo to ruin the fundamentalists chance for re-election in the mid-terms of 2006! BOOYAKASHA BITCHES!
Jane- if you could add the dates of the original articles it would be helpful. i.e. Wasn’t there an initial article by Kristof citing an anonymous source, then Wilson’s Op-Ed in the Times. Plus, you should include Scooter’s meetings with Judy.
Thanks as usual.
Karl’s chances of a blanket pardon, if indicted, are 100%. He has nothing to worry about, except paying for lawyering up till the deal is done. It’s pretty hard to fight the conventional wisdom which says all Palme related pardons will happen post election so it will cost him plenty.
Which brings up the matter of his wealth. He made mucho dollars when he was a free agent campaign adviser but now make less than $200K a year. A sum beneath contempt in Fairfax County. One can surmise that his nest egg has been filled with can’t lose deals and he isn’t skimping, but still……….
One wonders if the day will come when he resents his status moneywise?
Thank you! This is a splendid resource!
Patty Fitz. All American Hero.
What’s the difference between a FAT chance and a SLIM chance? Nothing.
Excellent timeline. I didn’t know Vivica Novak’s husband got a recess appointment. What a coincidence! Fitz is going to nail Rove, I cannot wait.
We can soon add a new term to the legal lexicon: He got “FITZED!”
Great timeline. One thing missing however. November 2004, G W Bush wins second term. Surely all this maneuvering was to keep Fitzgerald busy until after the election. He must feel such an ass, they made an ass out of him. And where does Woodward fit in? Truth is stranger than fiction. Thanks, Simon