
Jeffrey Feldman had a Kos diary yesterday evening that was a stunner in terms of how far the Bush Administration may be willing to go to stop the public from learning more about the illegal NSA wiretapping of Americans via the EFF lawsuit against AT&T. He quoted a story from Wired which I think deserves a lot more of a wide read by everyone.
The government is not admitting, however, that AT&T aided the National Security Agency in spying on American's phone calls and internet communications."[T]he fact that the United States will assert the state secrets privilege should not be construed as a confirmation or denial of any of Plaintiffs' allegations, either about AT&T or the alleged surveillance activities," the filing reads. "When allegations are made about purported classified government activities or relationships, regardless of whether those allegations are accurate, the existence or non-existence of the activity or relationship is potentially a state secret."
The Justice Department has not formally invoked the privilege yet.
While the DoJ hasn't filed the actual motion as yet, filing the notice late on a Friday is a common Bush Administration tactic of trying to sneak one by the American public. And I don't intend to let them sneak this one by at all.
It seems the NYTimes had the same feeling on this:
The class-action suit, which seeks an end to the collaboration it alleges, is based in part on the testimony of Mark Klein, a retired technician for the company who says Internet data passing through an AT&T switching center in San Francisco is being diverted to a secret room. There, Mr. Klein says, the security agency has installed powerful computers to eavesdrop without warrants on the digital data and forward the information to an undisclosed place.The foundation has filed documents obtained by Mr. Klein that ostensibly show detailed technical information on N.S.A. technology used to divert Internet data. He has also said in a deposition that employees of the agency went to the switching center to oversee special projects.
The company has declined to address the suit publicly, saying it will have no comment on matters of national security or customer privacy.
In its action Friday, the government filed a statement of interest asserting military and state secret privilege in asking the judge, Vaughn R. Walker, to dismiss the suit. Separately on Friday, AT&T also filed two motions to dismiss.
The government's filing said the authorities "cannot disclose any national security information that may be at issue in this case." The document went on to say that the filing should not be construed as either a confirmation or a denial of any of the claims made by the civil liberties group about government surveillance activities.
Elsewhere in the document, however, the government said President Bush had explained that after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, he authorized the security agency to intercept communications into and out of the United States by people linked to Al Qaeda and related organizations. The agency is ordinarily prohibited from intercepting the telephone and digital communications of American citizens without a warrant from a special intelligence court.
Oh yeah, no admission that there is some sort of wholesale Hoover vaccuum-type data mining here. Nope. Let's all look elsewhere and the hell with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the FISA laws and Congress. Oh, and the American public -- you should just trust George Bush -- because he's been so honest thus far.
Mmmmm hmmmm.
If you think this isn't part of some general pattern by the Bush Administration, then you haven't been paying attention to the far-reaching chilling effect this can have. Read, for instance, this op-ed in today's WaPo as to how far they may be willing to go to silence critics and keep an eye on potential whistleblowers within the Administration itself.
UPDATE: And on a personal note, Arthur Silber (who is a fantastic writer and blogger) is having a bit of a rough patch. If you can contribute a bit to him, I'm certain it would be much appreciated. (h/t to C&L for the heads up on this)
UPDATE #2: Glenn hits this issue as well this morning, giving some great background on the state secrets privilege issue and why it's been so little used -- until now. The Bush Administration -- giving new meaning to the term CYA on a daily basis.
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FITZ!!!
on a fitz and a prayer…
The book soon to be release by Glenn Greenwald “How Would a Patriot Act?” I hope will deal with this issue. I think Mark Feldstein, the op-ed wroter linked to in this blog piece, is acting exactly as a patriot should. The FBI and NSA are behaving unpatriotically here, and working against the Constitution, as I read it.
I thought we didn’t have a state secrets privilege. What other snippets of old English law are they going to snatch desparately at? Divine right of kings?
Not content with rolling back the Constitution, the Bush administration sets its sights on the Magna Carta. Watch out, Code of Hammurabi! You’re next!
One device rumored to be used is the Narus STA 6400. More on it here:
http://www.spamdailynews.com/p.....y_room.asp
This is a vast warrentless search no matter how you want to spin it.
Should I assume that this is the same Secrets Act that they whipped out to keep Sibel Edmonds quiet? And that Judge Reggie Walton upheld?
They’re in front of Vaughn Walker? This could be interesting.
jayt, yes it’s the same Secrets Act.
That sucking sound you hear is the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the FISA laws, and Congress disappearing into the Republican maw.
Farewell America….
It’s morning in our New Amerika!
Heil Shrub! Our Dear Leader who is always right and resolute. Our noble Christian hero. Our Amerikan Cowboy Preznit for Life. Heil!!!
Jesus, will this Reign of Error never end?
I think I know why Shrub is so against stem cell research.
He’s afraid that Congress might grow a spine.
OfT:Why Fire Vivnovka?
by emptywheel
“I hate to move away from one of the most amazing comment threads ever (really, we’re not obsessed, except for the commenter obsessed, who is). But I’ve got a new question…”
Good Morning Everyone,
Christy thanks so much for getting after it so early today - excellent work as always
#7 TEScott - I googled him, only interesting nugget was his presiding in a exxon/climate change matter, but can’t get their site to load anything but research stats - what do you know about him ?
just curious:
What does asdf stand for? Anyone?
“It’s a secret and there are enemies out there, terrorists who hate us, because we love freedom, and I am the deciderer, and this needed to decidified and that’s what a deciderator does he deciduates, and it’s hard, hard work being deciduous, but that’s why they elected me to be Precedent.”
Taken from the Long Term Effects of Alcohol and Cocaine Use on Individuals and the Body Politic *g*
“hard work being deciduous.” That’s funny.
The Imperial Presidency must come to an end.
I don’t always agree with Pat Buchanan *g*, but he nails it here:
>>>>>>
If we sat by while Stalin got the bomb, and Mao got the bomb, and Kim Jong-Il got the bomb, why is an Iranian bomb a threat to the United States, which possesses thousands?
There is a reason the Founding Fathers separated the power to conduct war from the power to declare it. The reason is just such a ruler as George W. Bush, a man possessed of an ideology and sense of mission that are not necessarily coterminous with what is best for his country. Under our Constitution, it is Congress, not the president, who decides on war.
Many Democrats now concede they failed the nation when they took Bush at his word that Iraq was an intolerable threat that could be dealt with only by an invasion. Now, Bush and the War Party are telling us the same thing about Iran. And the Congress is conducting itself in the same contemptible and cowardly way.
It is time for Congress to tell President Bush directly that he has no authority to go to war on Iran and to launch such a war would be an impeachable offense. Or, if they so conclude, Congress should share full responsibility by granting him that authority after it has held hearings and told the people why we have no other choice than another Mideast war, with a nation four times as large as Iraq.
If Congress lacks the courage to do its constitutional duty, it should stop whining about imperial presidents. Because, like the Roman Senate of Caesar’s time, it will have invited them and it will deserve them.
http://www.informationclearing.....e12873.htm
Does hard work being deciduous mean that you have the winter off?
cathy– from wiki
The Internet has taken to the idea that many users type in the characters ‘asdf’ when they’re not searching for anything in particular and just want to fill in a given field. If you run a search through any given search engine, you’ll see many websites listed with the keyword ‘asdf’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asdf
angie-
I’ve seen it used a an acronym, I think.
How about Arlen drafts an amicus brief (w/ALL Sen/Jud member sigs)? Esp. since I see he’s outraged…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....77_pf.html
“Senator to Try to Block Program’s Funding
By Walter Pincus and Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, April 28, 2006; A04
New expressions of frustration over how little information the administration has shared about the National Security Agency’s warrantless eavesdropping on Americans flared yesterday in the Senate, one day after House Republicans barred amendments that would have expanded oversight of the controversial program.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) said yesterday that he will file an amendment to block the NSA program’s funding — but said he will not seek a vote on it at this time — in hope of stirring greater debate on the warrantless surveillance, part of the agency’s monitoring of alleged terrorists.
“Where is the outrage?” asked Specter, who has chaired hearings that questioned the NSA program’s constitutionality.”
——
I mean, if EFF is plaintiff, who else has ’standing’?
ACLU?
I wonder if I have “standing” to sue over this:
I received an official CIA E-Mail about 3 or 4 months ago(I reverse searched the accompanying phone number), warning me I had visited 6 “illegal” web sites.
I don’t recall the exact text but the implication was clear, and I unfortunately double deleted it from my E-Mail but figure anything can be retrieved.
Curious since I only visit standard news sites and liberal blogs (even I already know what conservatives positions will be on any given topic), and a few overseas newspaper and blog sites to read for myself what our “media” refuses to share.
Tin foil hat stuff or ACLU?
And so, the electronic games continue. Broadly speaking, what the “Decider” permitted a few years back was to allow Eschalon to turn its ears onto American soil. You’ll find some articles out there on Eschalon. It exists….its real…and the rumors as to its capabilities are, basically, correct.
This little dust-up over in SF is but a piece of the bigger project. Remember when Abu Gonzales (I just LOVE that nickname!) testified on this issue? Go back, find a transcript, and read thru. You’ll see how he carefully mentioned “this program”, or “this project”…or some such. (hell, I can’t remember right now how he parsed it)…but parse he did. That’s because there are multiple programs, each compartementalized, so forth and so on.
[and no, I’m NOT doing the tin foil hat thing, truly!…chuckle]
Anyways, if the Dems regain control of either House, and if any of you have an “inside” with a member…ask/implore him/her to convene a hearing and…drop a few subpoenas on “Sugar Grove” personnel. Then step back…and watch the fur fly.
Ghostman
cathy 17, lol. Maybe that’s why Dubya has to take so many vacations, because he’s deciduous all year.
And an addendum to angie 18 - asdf are the first four letters of the middle row of keys on a standard typing keyboard. Easy to type.
Great post! Been laid up a bit (knee surgery) and it is good to see some FDL again. The withdrawl from this site was the hardest part.
I think being deciduous means you hope people won’t be able to see the forest for your trees. Or it might just mean you hope male dogs keep their distance. One of those.
Jim R @ #21:
This is the first I’ve heard of an e-mail from the CIA like you describe!! Has anybody else here had that experience or heard of it happening to somebody they know?
Redd:
What gives me a sense of impending doom about your post is that it seems that no one in Congress is objecting to this practice in any way. Where are the Dems? Where are the libertarian conservatives? Where are those that wish to defend our freedoms? Are there any left? Is anybody out there?
Jim, 21: friend, I really think you got suckered. The CIA doesn’t do that sort of thing. Next, there are no “illegal” web sites. Next, if you somehow “accidentally” tripped into a passcode protected gov’t site….you wouldn’t get an email…but a knock on your front door.
I think you’ll be fine.
Ghostman
sonate-
I agree with you. I always hear that the Dems can’t be heard because they don’t have the majority and the republicans won’t let them speak, but I never hear them speak about these issues when they’re on the news shows either, where they can say what they want. If they wanted to have a press conference on a topic they could talk about this stuff there too.
angie
ASDF are the left-hand home keys on a standard QWERTY keyboard. I used excrucuiatingly boring typing-lesson tapes way back when, and one of the first exercises was tying ASDF, while the tape voice solemnly intoned “A!…S!…D…F!…” over and over. If it has some sort of other meaning now…beats me.
“Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it.
……when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
Soooooooooooooo, when do we start?????
The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist and McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnel-Douglas, the designer of the F-15. The hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valleys technologies is called the US Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.
We, the Government, have vital information which we cannot disclose. It is upon this knowledge that we make decisions. You, who are merely private citizens, have not access to this information. Any criticism you make of our policy, any controversy about it in which you may indulge will therefore be uninformed and valueless. If, in spite of your ignorance, you persist in questioning our policy, we can only conclude that you are disloyal.
This really angers me. The fact that the Bush government has taken over this country and shredded the Bill of Rights is obviously horrific, but I still believe a democratic government will be restored.
But AT&T’s blatant selling out of our privacy disgusts me. People complain about what Yahoo and MSN and Google are doing in China, but this is not much different. This is an act of corporate America creating permanent infrastructure for enabling the monitoring of activities. It is a police state. Unless forced to dismantle what they’ve done, AT&T’s special spying room in San Francisco will be a permanent part of our lives. And they’ll happily do more.
I wonder if we could all stop doing business with AT&T and put them out of business. Wishful thinking, I suppose.
That Buchanan article is a humdinger.
He does make the point, Stalin, Mao, and Kim Jong Ill are al nuked up, so is everyone else in Iran’s neighborhood.
As to the CIA e-mails…that was a phishing scam or a virus scam.
It wasn’t the CIA, it was some dudes in Nigeria who realized that too many people were on to their “Letter from Ms. Sani Abacha-we have a big amount of cash and want to give you some” scam.
-GSD
Christy,
Have to say a couple things re you excellent Limbaugh visits his PO scenario earlier this morning.
I supervised people on parole and probation for over six years. A couple of observations on Limbaugh’s chances over the next 18 months:
1. Addicts, and he is being treated like one, almost universally have to go to NA more than one time per week. If alcohol abuse was indicated in the PSI (pre-sentencing investigation - although he has probably had a different evaluation, as prosecution is being deferred by his bargain), he will also have to attend AA.
2. A lot will depend on the kind of PO he gets. I’m hoping his is a big, muscular black woman who has a masters degree in criminal justice, a cousin in jail for ten years for possession of a small amount of weed, and practices kick boxing as a hobby.
3. A sharp PO can trick clients to whom they’ve taken a dislike into thinking their supervision modality is going to be slack. Then, when it is obvious the client is sliding, the whip gets cracked, the OUAs (observed urinalysis) and breathalizer checks become constant, and the client fails. Almost always works.
Then there’s the FBI snooping without a court order on 3,000 people:
http://apnews.myway.com/articl.....9DSG1.html
Jim R #21
The ACLU is engaged in a high profile civil liberties suit against NSA spying. Plantiffs or Co-Compalainants include:
ACLU
James Bamford
Prof. Larry Diamond, Stanford (formerly CPA Iraq)
Prof. Barnett Rubin, NYU (UN Advisor in Afghanistan)
Council on American-Islamic Relations
Reporter Peter Bergen
Reporter John Burns
Nat’l Assoc. Crim. Def. Lawyers
and (blergh)Christopher HItchens (not yet officially US Citizen)
I love that they filed on 1/17/06 - Ben Franklin’s 300th Birthday
If you haven’t already, you may want to check ACLU website to see if they want to talk with you about your e mails
sorry, Co-Complainants
ET, I really liked your 35. If Florida figures OxyRush is an armpit-deep-in-denial addict, why waste their resources fighting. Put Rush in this program and give him enough rope to hang himself, good cost/benefit strategy. Wrt his PO, let’s hope s/he is a huge Donovan McNabb fan.
c u n d gulag @number 10–
Hahaha!
Thank you, thank you. What a great cartoon caption that would make!
Jim R at 21 — I think the CIA put out a statement on that particular e-mail scam a while back. It wasn’t sent by the CIA, suffice it to say, and the phone number included in the e-mail was a bogus one. I don’t know if it was meant to flood the CIA phone switchboard or if there was a click-thru that installed something icky on your computer, but either way the CIA has a lot more to do than send out e-mails to people about their internet usage. If they were that troubled by you, the FBI would just come knocking on your door and we wouldn’t see you post here for a while. (Oh yeah, that’s comforting…*g*)
Ghostman & cbl, thanks! I was more angry than scared, even knowing it might be a spoof (although it looked pretty official), and that as Ghostman said there is no such thing as an illegal web site.
I was hoping they’d call or come over so I could give them a piece of my mind and inform them they’d have to pry my mouse from “my cold dead hands”; grrrr!
Scene:
Smokey church basement, NA Meeting.
Rush: MY name is Rush and I’m and addict. I can’t believe I am saying those words. Sounds so mushy and liberal. I mean, I am a sick man, I was taken over by the addiction. I couldn’t help it.
As I look around the room I see lots of women who should have stayed home instead of getting all hopped up on drugs. You know, if you were doing your husbands laundry and cooking him dinner, you probably wouldn’t have been hanging around the crackhouse.
Also, lots of Negroes and Latinos. You folks are using your race as a calling card for victimization. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself, why not pick yourself up by the bootstraps? I mean, “the man” didn’t make you do drugs. You did. I mean you people need to take responsibility for yourselves,the excuses must end…
Group: Keep coming back asswipe, easy does it.
-GSD
The CIA email was a widespread and fairly well publicized virus a few months ago. I think there was also one purportedly from the FBI as well.
Rush thread - did some googling this morning - DOJ and Palm Beach County stats -
PB County - 1st time drug offender rate is about 5% higher than national average FYE04
Recidivist Rate:
16.4% Drug Court Probees
43.5% Trad.Court Probees
what I was really looking for was the P.O. to Probee ratio and couldn’t find it, but anecdotally, using repeat offender and recidivist stats, the county does appear to have better than average resources -
Taylor Marsh’s blog just got a mention on MSNBC, re: Plame
Edward Teller #35
Thank you for your analysis of what might happen with a PO.
I have a question though, Does Roy Black or the good Gov. of Florida have any input into the choice of a PO?
I know you are in Alaska and maybe this is an unfair question, but an inquiring mind wants to know.
By the way, your choice of a PO suits me fine.
Thanks, Christy, there was no attachment or click through, and I guess the thing that lent at least a shred of credibility to it was the phone number was legit, although anyone could get that.
Having nothing left after ending up grist in our vaunted health care system, I figured what the heck, I’ve got nothing to lose anyway but my freedom and that diminishes every day in value in this Orwellian Bush state.
46: well, what was said??
I’ve got my TV on espn….NFL draft day. I’d like to think I’m fairly smart, but I’m also a caveman in some respects….chuckle.
Ghostman
“46: well, what was said??”
That was about it. They showed a screen shot of the site too.
shoogarp, you really need to upgrade your equipment if you’re still using one of those computers powered by a foot treadle…..or are you Amish? Hope the knee feels better, take it from someone who’s been there, swimming is the best way to get things working well again.
I’ve always just assumed that all my electronic screeds were being saved in some concrete block storage facility for use in tracking me down later. My thought on this is: Fuck ‘em. If there are too many of us to imprison they can’t do shit. It’s like a school of fish who move in a shoal so as to confuse predators. Our safety lies in our numbers; don’t allow stories like this to intimidate you, because that is the main benefit these programs provide to the un-American hypocrites who have hijacked our country. I, for one, won’t let them fly us into the Statue of Liberty without a fight. Better to crash and burn. Looking forward to playing checkers with you at GITMO…….
John Casper #39
LMAO on the Donovan McNabb fan suggestion as a PO.
Beyond the Constitutional outrage, the forensically comatose methodology in this sort of panoptic data mining is succinctly expressed as follows:
Authorities couldn’t connect the pre- 9/11 “dots”? Simple; let’s GIVE ‘EM MORE DOTS! Let’s give ‘em EVERY DATA DOT IN THE NATION! Why, if we just had ALL of the hay, we’d know EXACTLY where the “terrist” needles are — they’re RIGHT THERE IN THE HAY!!!
BRILLIANT!!
See my old anti-TIA rant: http://www.bgladd.com/Total_Information_Awareness/
Won’t do much against “terrah,” but will make for handy domestic political opposition research and surveillance.
wow, i just posted this. way to be on it.
you guys are the best.
this is about the only site i read anymore, this and www.whatreallyhappened.com
I still wonder: why don’t we all just overload the NSA by repeatedly sending out emails with the words:
assassination
bomb
hijack
white house
terror
Bush
infidel
dKos is loaded with warm fuzzies –
Republican Whorefest at the Watergate
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....94126/2575
Saturday Morning Scandalrama, Sponsored by the Bush Administration
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....133758/893
WaPo: New Scandal For The Watergate Hotel
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....94323/1995
chicago tom -
Oh, yeah. I recommend that all the time. Construct an email footer with every “terrist” buzzword you can think of. Put ‘em in your web page header meta-tags, etc.
Apple Canyon #47,
Florida, like most states, has a disproportionate number of blacks incarcerated. But, if Florida is like Alaska, some of the best parole and probation officers and correctional administrators are black. By far, my best boss, when I worked in criminal justice, was a black woman, who had previously worked in the Florida system.
Normally, Limbaugh will report to the nearest probation office. The supervisor of that office will probably ask for a volunteer to take Limbaugh onto his or her case load. I predict the person will have a lot of experience and a good enough work record to be beyond reproach or retribution. Unless the state gets in there mucking around.
I disliked dealing with clients who were “protected” one way or another, but it didn’t keep me from doing my job.
I remember one in particular. He was a power rapist who was being put into a halfway house far earlier than would be usual. His father was a big contributor to Wally Hickel, who was then governor. One of Hickel’s top political administrators tried to get this kid special favors when he was in the halfway house. I was running the halfway house at the time.
This kid’s PO, a Hispanic woman, suspected he was involved in a few unsolved rapes from around the time of his conviction. She was doing research on him, and I had him under extra surveillance at his work place and when he went to treatment or NA/AA. We caught him and I jerked his furlough, getting him put back into a pretrial facility until he could be processed back to prison.
When his revocation hearing came up, I was surprised to see the state administrator who had shown him favor sitting in on the proceedings. The hearing officer kept on trying to create spin so we’d have to take the jerk back. I couldn’t believe what was happening.
But, as the hearing was winding down in the kid’s favor, in walked his PO with a set of faxes from King County Washington, where his profile had been examined and women interviewed, A request came in for a pre-extradition interview with the King County sheriff regarding several unsoloved rapes there.
He’s still in prison, fourteen years later. I check periodically, because he’s expressed a dislike toward me. One of the saddest things that opccurred the day of that hearing, was that when his mom found out about the possible extradition to Seattle of her son, she killed herself.
So, yeah, presure can come from upper levels of government, but dedicated public safety pros really, really resent it.
OT, but while we addicts await the next Plame post, just a couple of reminders from the past:
Cluster and Scottie trying to get a timeline of Presidential knowledge of the bogus uranium claims together:
http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/....._womd.html
DIA claiming cotten was uranium as late as June 2003:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2.....706E.shtml
Freaking SPECTER, who keeps saying that the program is illegal under FISA, but “prolly ok under the President’s inherent rights” wants to know where the outrage is? Did he check his inbox?
cleter - it’s not just the Code of Hammurabi - its the concept of a Code at all. This is the “no rules” administration and DOJ is lined up like a Red Rover team, arms linked and chanting “inherent powers” and “classified information” and “enemy combatants” and “it’s not illegal if the President ok’s it” as if they are schoolchildren with no indpendent thought process or free will.
I hover between being sad and being disgusted.
Here’s how it shakes out -
The Military has had whistleblowers (young kids usually - no back up, no support system) come forward; the Military JAG has people who have filed complaints, gone to Bar associations with complaints, and are and have been willing to put their cards on the table and call the enemy combatant “termination terminology” and abandonment of the Geneva Conventions and UCMJ for what they are;
A lot of Military counsel have been derelict, but you have had someone like Mora who put it in print and pushed it at every step of the way and even managed to pull out a general consensus (overriden by Haynes and Cambone) in the end that the military had abandoned it’s high ground and should return;
Some military interrogators, like Brandt, have filed complaints, refused to participate and intervened to prevent abuse and questioned the propriety of buying detainees;
Some Military officers have, within the constraints of their commissions and requirements of active duty, raised questions and issues and now, with retirement, there has been the emergence of many more officers who see the awful leadership in place and are willing to take it on and even the civilian employees of DOD, faced with the awfulness that is Rumsfeld’s leadership - have voted no confidence and taken positions;
FBI has had counsel draw a line on their involvement in torture interrogations and a head who at least raised questions and rattled cages;
CIA has refused to participate in some interrogations, generated whistleblowers and had second thoughts on Gulag operations and has generated agents, ex-agents, et al who have spoken and acted;
Congress has been pathetic and abject, but at least has had Feingold and Conyers and a very few others;
DOJ has run silent. Said nothing and acted in furtherance.
Gonzales has solicted and generated torture memos and whether they have been “secretly withdrawn” or not he has mainstreamed torture as acceptable within not only our military but our law enforcement and judicial process without a whimper; he has posited from whole cloth an enemy combatant’s terminology that is and was admittedly structured to attempt to evade War Crimes Act charges on behalf of the Adminsitration; he has lied to Congress and the American people about several things, including warrants for wiretaps and he and Ashcroft were involved with and have overseen FIVE YEARS WORTH OF FISA VIOLATIONS under some guise of exigent necessary and proper powers; Ashcroft and Comey laid the foundation for making the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments a matter of Presidential discretion as opposed to any Constitutional requirement and Gonzales has continued and embellished upon that record; we have a Federal District Court judge resigning from the FISA court bc of the loss of the COurt’s integrity bc of the actions and policies (and let’s just call them what htey are - lies) adopted and embraced by DOJ; we have a Circuit COurt Judge (judgeS really, since he delivered the opinion for the panel) pretty much calling DOJ fibbing weasels - great reputation to bring b4 the bench and if the home crowd thinks that of you - guess what happens on the road; we have a District Court judge in the “even if force feeding is torture the way we do it-nanner nanner nanner you can’t touch us” case having to ask DOJ why they or the military can be believed.
Mora - it’s sad.
Kessler - it’s sad day.
It is just sad. All you can claim for DOJ, taken at the crest of the tide, is that maybe Goldsmith pulled the torture memo (although hell, Bybee is on the Circuit Bench with it under his belt and Yoo is teaching with it to his credit) maybe Comey did “something” with respect to the wiretaps program and Kris shows up after his email is released under an FOIA request to actually take, pretty politely and non-confrontationally, the stand that maybe FISA was violated (the last remaining and very wilty nosegay has to go to him I think).
You have to wonder what it would actually take for anyone to just stand up and say: This is wrong. Not in quiet whispers, but in print and in person. I just don’t get it.
/rant
IMO, puppethead is right that there is no significant difference between the US and Chinese approach.
BobbyG - the “give them all the hay” is brilliant.
54, great site; although I’ve always read extensively I’ve learned more about my Democracy and its history this past year or so by reading great blogs like FDL and listening to Thom Hartmann, et al, than in the previous 40.
The recent whining from the MSM about bloggers only confirms to me “the powers that be” are scared witless that this fact will become more widely known. I feel like I’m breathing for the first time in my life.
Rock on everyone, and Thank You!
jim r (21)
scammers have been phishing with bogus FBI and CIA emails and websites. There were several articles a few months back. sorry, no links. might be as innocent as that.
***Speaking of Surveillance***
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....02571.html
http://www.recordonline.com/ar.....04-27.html
Even if you’re a West Point cadet, you’re still a suspect. A few days ago, cadets at West Point rioted because they felt their commanders egregiously broke the Code of Conduct specifically to humiliate and dishonor them. The Army used a pre-dawn fire drill to clear the dorms of all 4,000 cadets; while the cadets waited outside in their underwear, police with dogs performed drug searches on all rooms. Thousands of cadets returned to their rooms and started burning things. Coincidentally, Noam Chomsky had addressed the cadets in Thayer Hall five days earlier:
http://www.recordonline.com/ar.....04-21.html
A protest riot by student officers has never occurred at a US military academy; the last time anything similar occurred although was in 1826 when West Point cadets mutinied after Jefferson Davis got most of them roaring drunk in the middle of the night. This incident has substantial historical significance and deserves much wider coverage. It may be connected to the Retired Generals’ Media Coup, and it would seem that the drug raid was payback for rising dissent re: the Iraq conflict. No drugs were found.
ET & AppleCayon2,
Circuit Supv. for Palm Beach County is an African American woman: Rosayln Baker (23 years w/ Fl DOC)
tryggth #58
DIA claiming cotten was uranium
It’s a common mistake. The last time I made a nuclear weapon I used an old sweater and didn’t I feel silly when the megatonage was less than I expected.
cbl #62
ROFLOL!!! Glad I’d just swallowed my coffee……I wonder if she has a black belt in karate?
chicago tom @ 55 -
I remember someone once suggesting e-mailing a new but irresistibly funny joke. Wait for it to show up in some venue.
Bush down to 37% even in Rasmussen. I note with some amusement that the Republican pollster will now “slightly modify” how he weights the job approval numbers.
http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....proval.htm
cleter at 8:58 am - #4
“Not content with rolling back the Constitution, the Bush administration sets its sights on the Magna Carta. Watch out, Code of Hammurabi! You’re next!“
That reminded me of this, from The Editors:
http://www.thepoorman.net/2006.....resents-6/
Edward Teller #57
Thank you.
The story of the mom killing herself was sad, but this guy really got what he deserved.
Your experiences are a treasure for us in the FDL community.
new thread
Hugh @ 65 -
LMAO. But seriously, are you trying to get this site shut down by leaking details of the explosive AQ Khan design?
I’m wondering if we who have been spied upon can bring a class action suit , sue for damages and use the funds to start a Firedoglake cable news channel… ?
yes .. I was EPU’d all over myself.
I’m wondering if we who have been spied upon can bring a class action suit , sue for damages and use the funds to start a Firedoglake cable news channel… ?
cbl #64
Thank you.
23 years with DOC. That is enough experience to be able to ward off interference from those who would try for special favors I would think.
I appreciate you input as well as E.T.’s to the question posed.
Not that I’ll ever have to speak with the feds for any reason, but I feel that ten years ago I had enough faith in our government that I probably would have cooperated with any investigation the FBI or CIA would have asked me about, if they ever needed to . . . now I wouldn’t trust them enough even to tell them what color my underwear is.
I wonder if being deciduous and all, he is referring to aspens, with their roots all entwined and like that?
Does it rile anyone else that while so much is at stake, so much going on, that Congress seems to be perpetually not in session, only coming in now and again to vote on mega-billion dollar “emergency funding” bills?
Actions and activities and decisions from The Decider and those in his administration cannot be overseen if those responsible for oversight aren’t there.
How bad does it have to get, and how dire do the consequences of inaction have to be, before the Congress decides that it can no longer afford to leave the president home alone and unsupervised?
Wow - the West Point story is pretty amazing and says a lot about military morale and discipline in the Bush era. Interesting how little attention it has gotten, eh?
Mary - the lack of DoJ reaction to all that’s going on is frightening when folks like recruits and jags have tried speaking out. Even more maddening is the lack of response in congress to the whistleblowers we do have. What are they waiting for?
In light of the criminal scandals swirling around AT&T and Rush Limbaugh isn’t it about time the Pebble Beach Company find a new sponsor for their annual popular winter AT&T Pro-Am golf tournament? Rush took terrible advantage this year when FOX crashed the gates with Sean Hannity and set up a mobile studio on the verdant greens of Del Monte Forest and gave amateur golfer Limbaugh a half hour of live broadcast spewing his twisted rhetoric.
I hasten to add that locally popular & highly respected PBC officials Clint Eastwood & Peter Uberroth were off the hook for the Fox & Limbaugh caper. Uberroth was in Greece for the Olympics and Eastwood was also absent mourning the loss of his mother.
I’m just sayin’ the old Crosby Clambake deserves a reputable corporate sponsor and the PBC can do much better. Who knows, maybe even Tiger and other great champions may return someday. The good and gentle people of the Monterey peninsula and countless fans deserve no less.
Mary @ 59
there was a well done piece on Mora in the New Yorker about two months ago (the one with junyah and chainy as brokeback moutaineers on the cover). explained the various roles really well. Mora is a real stand up guy.
knuckledragger - I post links to that piece every couple of weeks or so. Reading the War Crimes Act at the meeting when Cambone and Haynes are shooting down any reformation action — Mora is what you expect as the norm and it’s sad that he was the exception.
Four words that scare Bushyphants to the core:
Democrats with subpoena powers.
No site more informing than FDL -No resposes more intelligent than those on that site. Thank you all, As for todays responses Thank you #61 Koch
Does it rile anyone else that while so much is at stake, so much going on, that Congress seems to be perpetually not in session, only coming in now and again to vote on mega-billion dollar “emergency funding†bills?
i believe their actual work week is t-th because they spend so much time travelling to their ‘home districts’ and fundraising.
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“Hard work being deciduous” — Need wood?