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		<title>By: Shag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 02:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought the neo-fascists said she was just a secretary?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the neo-fascists said she was just a secretary?</p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 09:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Judeath Millerâ€™s underlying crime can not be anything to do with the CIA leak case or â€˜ Plamegateâ€™ - it has to be something else doesnâ€™t it?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Judith Miller was not jailed because she had committed a crime.  She was jailed because she refused to obey a court order, which ordered her to testify before a grand jury and reveal her sources.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Miller was a witness to a potential crime–the possibly-unauthorized divulgation by someone (the “source”) within the administration of classified information.  Nobody–not even a purported journalist–is exempt from testifying to matters to which he or she is a witness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Judeath Millerâ€™s underlying crime can not be anything to do with the CIA leak case or â€˜ Plamegateâ€™ &#8211; it has to be something else doesnâ€™t it?</i></p>
<p>Judith Miller was not jailed because she had committed a crime.  She was jailed because she refused to obey a court order, which ordered her to testify before a grand jury and reveal her sources.</p>
<p>Miller was a witness to a potential crime–the possibly-unauthorized divulgation by someone (the “source”) within the administration of classified information.  Nobody–not even a purported journalist–is exempt from testifying to matters to which he or she is a witness.</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
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		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;alert, alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    CSPAN doing the dinner tape right now!&lt;br /&gt;
            (9:30AM PDT)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alert, alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>    CSPAN doing the dinner tape right now!<br />
            (9:30AM PDT)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Maguire</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/28/late-nite-fdl-what-was-that-about-no-underlying-crime/#comment-85013</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I donâ€™t think the truth can be wrung out like lemon juice from what little we have. In particular, though, the reference to Libby is not that there is â€œno evidenceâ€ but rather that there is no â€œdirectâ€ evidence&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jiminy, good game from Mary!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am in complete agreement about the lemon juice - I am gloomily aware that an awful lot of what I write ultimately amounts to a faith-based inititiative.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also agree about the “direct evidence” point, and try to note that when I do a full fledged post (Honestly!).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, I try to sneak that quote past others, especially on comment threads other than mine, or when Jeff may not be around.  Darn.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All that said, I think (semi-faith based) that Fitzgerald is also lacking in indirect evidence, and was hoping for more from Ms. Miller.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Put another way - I don’t think Fitzgerald is shy, and I do think that in various filings a clear statement that he had evidence that Libby knew Ms. Plame’s status was classified would have helped his argument.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, IMHO, his failure to indict Libby for perjury on his testimony that he did not believe Plame to be classified is also telling - it certainly makes me think that Fitzgerald cannot prove the opposite.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well - good job, anyway.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I donâ€™t think the truth can be wrung out like lemon juice from what little we have. In particular, though, the reference to Libby is not that there is â€œno evidenceâ€ but rather that there is no â€œdirectâ€ evidence</i></p>
<p>Jiminy, good game from Mary!</p>
<p>I am in complete agreement about the lemon juice &#8211; I am gloomily aware that an awful lot of what I write ultimately amounts to a faith-based inititiative.</p>
<p>I also agree about the “direct evidence” point, and try to note that when I do a full fledged post (Honestly!).</p>
<p>However, I try to sneak that quote past others, especially on comment threads other than mine, or when Jeff may not be around.  Darn.</p>
<p>All that said, I think (semi-faith based) that Fitzgerald is also lacking in indirect evidence, and was hoping for more from Ms. Miller.</p>
<p>Put another way &#8211; I don’t think Fitzgerald is shy, and I do think that in various filings a clear statement that he had evidence that Libby knew Ms. Plame’s status was classified would have helped his argument.</p>
<p>And, IMHO, his failure to indict Libby for perjury on his testimony that he did not believe Plame to be classified is also telling &#8211; it certainly makes me think that Fitzgerald cannot prove the opposite.</p>
<p>Well &#8211; good job, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: notimetowaste</title>
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		<dc:creator>notimetowaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is it just that we’re being cautious, or has Jason L. developed a bad record on Plamegate?  His latest article says Rove is a done deal next week (unless the G/J turns Fitz down, I guess), but it’s getting downplayed bigtime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042806Y.shtml&quot;&gt;http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042806Y.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t get me wrong, I’ll continue to keep the champagne on ice.  But a little optimism’s not a bad thing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just that we’re being cautious, or has Jason L. developed a bad record on Plamegate?  His latest article says Rove is a done deal next week (unless the G/J turns Fitz down, I guess), but it’s getting downplayed bigtime.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042806Y.shtml">http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042806Y.shtml</a></p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong, I’ll continue to keep the champagne on ice.  But a little optimism’s not a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: J i O</title>
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		<dc:creator>J i O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Madam_Deb,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve been hanging around here at the end of the Late Nite FDL thread for a while, so at least one person shuffled over to see Karzai with Scoots.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think most FDL regulars are aware of the fund raising efforts of Libby. They’re a sharp bunch. But thanks for posting the link just in case.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madam_Deb,</p>
<p>I’ve been hanging around here at the end of the Late Nite FDL thread for a while, so at least one person shuffled over to see Karzai with Scoots.</p>
<p>I think most FDL regulars are aware of the fund raising efforts of Libby. They’re a sharp bunch. But thanks for posting the link just in case.</p>
<p>–</p>
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		<title>By: Madam_Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madam_Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I might be EPU-ing myself here, but this post is the most likely place to share this recent find:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scooterlibby.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.scooterlibby.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I’m probably very late to the party with this URL discovery, but just in case…)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I might be EPU-ing myself here, but this post is the most likely place to share this recent find:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scooterlibby.com/">http://www.scooterlibby.com/</a></p>
<p>(I’m probably very late to the party with this URL discovery, but just in case…)</p>
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		<title>By: pluege</title>
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		<dc:creator>pluege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;one of important lessons in the trashing of America by republicans is that Ralph Nader and his supported were tragically wrong in their ignorant justification that its OK to vote for Nader because there is no significant difference between republicans and democrats.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any democrat can freely admit that politics is a desultory business and perhaps all politicians lie and are somewhat corrupt or at least are  prostitutes. But there are important shades-of-grey-differences between the democratic ilk and the republican ilk that Naderites failed to discern and which ushered in what may well someday be known as the second Dark Ages, the age of Bush:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the democrat ledger we have:&lt;br /&gt;
** Clinton tried to mask an extra-marital BJ in  the office;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the republican ledger:&lt;br /&gt;
** abused the government and media during the Clinton years to thwart the will of the American people in hounding a popular President with extensive false and specious charges;&lt;br /&gt;
** illegal, unnecessary invasion of sovereign nations;&lt;br /&gt;
** illegal torture and rendition;&lt;br /&gt;
** illegal spying on Americans;&lt;br /&gt;
** anti-constitutional dictatorial grab of executive power;&lt;br /&gt;
** extensive corruption and abuse of power for self-enrichment and for enrichment of the obscenely rich;&lt;br /&gt;
** extensive cronyism at the expense of the American’s well being and security;&lt;br /&gt;
** dismantling of regulations to free corporate interests to abuse Americans and America..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If anyone ever again says there is no difference between democrats and republicans be conscious-free in promptly spitting their face.&lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of important lessons in the trashing of America by republicans is that Ralph Nader and his supported were tragically wrong in their ignorant justification that its OK to vote for Nader because there is no significant difference between republicans and democrats.  </p>
<p>Any democrat can freely admit that politics is a desultory business and perhaps all politicians lie and are somewhat corrupt or at least are  prostitutes. But there are important shades-of-grey-differences between the democratic ilk and the republican ilk that Naderites failed to discern and which ushered in what may well someday be known as the second Dark Ages, the age of Bush:</p>
<p>On the democrat ledger we have:<br />
** Clinton tried to mask an extra-marital BJ in  the office;</p>
<p>On the republican ledger:<br />
** abused the government and media during the Clinton years to thwart the will of the American people in hounding a popular President with extensive false and specious charges;<br />
** illegal, unnecessary invasion of sovereign nations;<br />
** illegal torture and rendition;<br />
** illegal spying on Americans;<br />
** anti-constitutional dictatorial grab of executive power;<br />
** extensive corruption and abuse of power for self-enrichment and for enrichment of the obscenely rich;<br />
** extensive cronyism at the expense of the American’s well being and security;<br />
** dismantling of regulations to free corporate interests to abuse Americans and America..</p>
<p>If anyone ever again says there is no difference between democrats and republicans be conscious-free in promptly spitting their face.<br />
.</p>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If I can just pull mine out…Judeath Miller’s underlying crime can not be anything to do with the CIA leak case or ‘ Plamegate’ - it has to be something else doesn’t it?&lt;br /&gt;
I mean she never actually wrote a story that meant much of anything in 2003 AFTER the illegal aggressive invasion of SW Asia did she?&lt;br /&gt;
Certainly nuthin bout no ‘ Valerie Flame’*&lt;br /&gt;
I reckon it’s what I call ‘ Yellowgate’ and that is her ‘ little tubes of terror’ story ( Ta James Moore ) That came out in 2002 as the war drive was running into sand dunes and the BIG LIE had to be wheeled out. The BIG LIE little Ms run-amok was running needed two halves. The yellowcake and the technology. She ran the tecno side and the Cheney/Libby team cooked up the yellowcake. ( w/help from Bolton and Ledeen and etc ) I ain’t no lawyer but this is the SUPREME CRIME according to the Nuremberg precedent.&lt;br /&gt;
ALL the cover-ups trace directly back to the BIG LIE technique and the rethugs get their backs up whenever this touchy subject is bought up.&lt;br /&gt;
So RICO looks like the way forward from here - then Chimpeachment/25th ammendemnt move - then last train to Haguesville.&lt;br /&gt;
Feingold for president - Fitz for AG - medals of freedom for all firedoggers in good standing.&lt;br /&gt;
Judith Priest is she a criminal all right.&lt;br /&gt;
They could all be shot and they could all be hung. ( I’m well hung and don’t need strap-on’s )&lt;br /&gt;
* Both Judick and count Novacula mention ‘ Flame’…probably just some vampire thang.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I can just pull mine out…Judeath Miller’s underlying crime can not be anything to do with the CIA leak case or ‘ Plamegate’ &#8211; it has to be something else doesn’t it?<br />
I mean she never actually wrote a story that meant much of anything in 2003 AFTER the illegal aggressive invasion of SW Asia did she?<br />
Certainly nuthin bout no ‘ Valerie Flame’*<br />
I reckon it’s what I call ‘ Yellowgate’ and that is her ‘ little tubes of terror’ story ( Ta James Moore ) That came out in 2002 as the war drive was running into sand dunes and the BIG LIE had to be wheeled out. The BIG LIE little Ms run-amok was running needed two halves. The yellowcake and the technology. She ran the tecno side and the Cheney/Libby team cooked up the yellowcake. ( w/help from Bolton and Ledeen and etc ) I ain’t no lawyer but this is the SUPREME CRIME according to the Nuremberg precedent.<br />
ALL the cover-ups trace directly back to the BIG LIE technique and the rethugs get their backs up whenever this touchy subject is bought up.<br />
So RICO looks like the way forward from here &#8211; then Chimpeachment/25th ammendemnt move &#8211; then last train to Haguesville.<br />
Feingold for president &#8211; Fitz for AG &#8211; medals of freedom for all firedoggers in good standing.<br />
Judith Priest is she a criminal all right.<br />
They could all be shot and they could all be hung. ( I’m well hung and don’t need strap-on’s )<br />
* Both Judick and count Novacula mention ‘ Flame’…probably just some vampire thang.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve been reading the speculation that Rove is a snitch, and that the real target is Dick Cheney. (My name for him is the Earl of Evil.)&lt;br /&gt;
The speculation suggests a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice. But I wonder about perjury. Has Cheney actually testified before the grand jury, and, if so, was it under oath?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been reading the speculation that Rove is a snitch, and that the real target is Dick Cheney. (My name for him is the Earl of Evil.)<br />
The speculation suggests a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice. But I wonder about perjury. Has Cheney actually testified before the grand jury, and, if so, was it under oath?</p>
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