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“… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!”

Ok, let’s be conservative and assume “hundreds” means 200 and let’s say each call lasts 3 minutes. This means Karl spends a solid 10 hours a day on the phone.

So how did he get to be so rotund? He doesn’t have time to eat.

The “Rove’s War” film is a two DVD set thats a complete Chronology of the Plame outing, spent a year researching it.

Here’s one take on the situation with Rove that I’ve put forward on another site, I was asked to post it here by another great poster yodermom, thinking it might be a good theory to bring up..

Here it is:

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I’ve been doing some more research on the web and I think I can see a solution that answers ALL the issues and even in a way, bails out Mr Leopold..

Here’s the scene. Now a Target Letter may not have to be a “letter” at all, tho some kind of agreement may have been reached on paper before today. As folks may recall Fitz met with Luskin AND Rove BEFORE they went into the Grand Jury and had a discussion. There’s a possibility that Fitz gave Rove a “Come to Jesus” speech, which is basically, “Look bud, I OWN YOU.. I’ve got the goods on you, you may as well fess up, plead guilty and co-operate and we’ll see what we can do as far as reducing the sentence..”

Now IF according to Leopold there was an Agreement beforehand (maybe on paper), then that letter would “technically” be a “Target Letter”, IE Rove is now a Target, but part of the agreement is that Fitz will allow Luskin to state publicly outside and after the Grand Jury meet that Rove is only a Subject and NOT a Target.. Once Rove has pled GUILTY inside to the COOPER LIES, then he technically is NO LONGER a “Target”, BUT he still had to deal with two subjects SINCE those lies, Vivica Novak, and the 250 emails..

So, since he’s pled guilty to the one charge on this visit “Obstruction of Justice”? “Lying to a Grand Jury” whichever.. he’s STILL open to Indictments on these other counts, part of the agreement being to spill his guts, so Fitz can get to the CENTER of the cookie, Bush or Cheney (who can still be btw, charge with “Obstruction of Justice” whether they were under oath or not).. That’s why it’s been reported that Rove, “Doesn’t know if he’ll be Indicted yet..”

He gets to walk out and his lawyer says he’s NOT a Target, as per the deal with Fitz.

Which means that the look you saw in one photo, the pucker factor reflecting the other end of this monster’s face was about 9.98.. It is possible that Rove Pled GUILTY YESTERDAY and may STILL BE INDICTED on more charges, or bled some more for info.

Hopefully leading to Bush or Cheney. And we may never find out what he copped to, or anything for that matter, a lot of this being done in SECRET, and plenty of conjecture.

Ideas? Thoughts?

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So , sure, I know the GJ can’t do anything but indict, and I’ve been told that he’s got to be indicted, then judged in open court and all that..

But from the times I’ve been in court I’ve known that it’s a dog and pony show, once everyone has agreed to a plea bargain it’s just rubberstampping a bunch of paper, signatures, etc..

Sealing the Indictment would still allow Luskin to walk out of the Grand Jury with Fitz’s approval and say that Rove is still a “SUBJECT” etc, while Rove is singing his lil heart out at each meeeting..

Going to so many meetings has made me thing there MUST be a deal, and there’s a LOT of secrecy going on in any case, being the Bush admin in the first place..

So, there’s my theory, hack away, anyone, but in the end I do think this is possible, and that there may be an anticlimactic end to this, hopefully not a pardon, and we take back both houses and slash and burn all the criminals

Keep up the great work!

Symbolman co founder of Takebackthemedia.com

I don’t know why they spin. They remind me of very young children who, when they hide under a blanket really think they are invisible. That lasts till what, 3 or 4?

I (really should use We) believe they are delusional in so many ways, so why not have a delusion that the public will believe that Rover is not a subject or target or whatever so long as he is not indicted or not know publicly to be cooperating; take refuge under their blankie of spin; until Fitz speaks or acts, nothing has happened and all is well, and somehow, the vast majority of Americans will believe it.

Silly? Ineffectual? Strange? Dumb? Yeah, since they’ve lost the “Keith Jackson” vote and so many other constituencies. But, it is all they have. Taking a different tack would lead to admissions regarding the phony evidence used to promote the war, the lies, etc. And that just cuts too deep, so really isn’t available to them.

I’m fine with their strategy b/c I believe that most people don’t get past Bush Administration/Criminal Investigation/National Security. The details don’t matter. The big issue themes are a winner so long as they talk about it.

So. Delusion Away.

Say, I really like that real-time preview feature!

You’ve made some excellent points in your comments. Yes, his bank account needs to be looked into; perhaps that project is already in progress.

The idea for him to step down is a big story.

This leads me to EPU’s comments in post 87 above. If Karl has entered into a plea agreement or if he will be indicted, then why all the spin? Although this week’s spin resembles the spin from three or four months ago, I’m wondering if it’s intended for the general public – no, perhaps not now, though that may have been the intent three or four months ago. I think I see what is happening…

“Could be good news for Rove”- Yeah and the next good news will be that he’s got terminal brain cancer-there’s NO way this is good news for Rove and any reporter who prints that shit without comment deserves to be fired.

Rove is not a wealthy guy- he came into the White House with less than a million dollars in assets- and he’s been FHON-ing (feathering his own nest) ever since. The cost of Luskin alone would damned near break him. He wants to spend his golden years runnin with the hot shots- that means at least $10 mm in the bank. He’s vulnerable.

The combination job at the White House (politics and policy) was the perfect opportunity to shake down donors. “If you give us this- I’ll get you that- and I am the guy who can do it.”. It also provided a perfect opportunity for nest feathering. Someone needs to look into Karl’s bank account.

Karl knew about the GJ interview at least three weeks ago. It certainly influenced his “demotion”. So whose idea was it for him to step down? There’s a big story there.

If Karl gets indicted- and convicted- he’s in much worse shape than Libby. Libby has money. Libby can do work that has less high visibility and support himself. Karl only knows politics- and if he’s poison- he can’t make a living.

All of these things have to be spinning around in his mind. His goal has to be to get out of this thing undamaged- both politically and financially. That’s a tall order.

Lots of people spinnig like mad and going nowhere.

Only hope it’s predictive.

I think if you look at it from that perspective, cut out all the CM BS, and just look at the facts regarding the investigation so far and your client’s role in both the events being investigated and the investigation itself, you would come to one of two conclusions – he is already cooperating in exchange for a plea deal, or he will be indicted.

But that’s me.