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	<title>Comments on: Steel Cage Death Match:  VandeHei vs. Shuster</title>
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		<title>By: David Lewis Clark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/27/steel-cage-death-match-vandehei-vs-shuster/#comment-84419</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lewis Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;having spent much of the latest war prep and execution in an alcoholic haze, I am not exactly sure what I remember.  But… didn’t I see that one great technological breakthrough was that all electrical grids could be shut down by some sort of aluminum shower that would preserve all infrastructure?  So, why the bombs if not simply to cause a need to rebuild?&lt;br /&gt;
  Second, did not Bush remove something like 6 thousand pages of the Saddam data dump before giving the info to the UN folk?  What was in that group?  Why didn’t Saddam save a true copy?&lt;br /&gt;
  I told my girls when I came back from the first gulf war that my kids and grandkids would have to finish the job that daddy bush was too wimpy to complete when we had the guys to do it.  I was astounded when his baby boy tried to do the same thing with less than half the guys we had then.  (When we heard that Saddam was killing our friends not 200 k from where we were waiting to go home, the 90% reserve unit I was in (I was a major and must admit I instigated it locally, but with much interaction with other unit leaders), signed 4187’s (requests for reassignment) asking to be assigned to units which would go to our friend’s rescue.  That went very well….., but we tried to kick as much ass as we could.&lt;br /&gt;
   We finally got redeployed (I was in Ops at Med Center West, up in the top of the disputed triangle, actually well into Iraq and straight west from Kuwait City during the war).  I then was redeployed back in July to the med center at Dahran, until early December 1991.  Maybe folk don’t remember well, but in September the UN inspectors were taken hostage in the Agriculture ministry offices.  They were released when GWB made a deal to have all the doors and cabinets tied off with those really secure (Ha) alluminum railroad seals.  Our guys were totally ready to resuce the UN team.  (I had access to TS reports, and we knew that the team had found the entire WMD program files.  Unfortunately, it also included all the US help during the Bush/Reagan rears… Oh yeah, it did.)  We had SF guys on the ground.  We had the 18th airborne in the air.  Our local guys–me–had prepared the medical support part of the operation to rescue the folk.  In fact, we had it aced.  Fifteen minute standby to execution for more than a week. No problem, few casualties expected, very high payoff in info.  Then, boom, GWB made a deal.  This was at the same time that all roads from SA to Doha in Kuwait were being BLOCKADED and SEARCHED by Iraqi forces.  (We were removing the huge stockpiles in SA to Kuwait, and they had routine roadblocks on the way and diverted the contents into Iraq.  There was also a huge and wellknown scavange project by Iraq into Iraq and Kuwait to recover vehicles and ammo.  In fact, in Oct or Nov 91 something like a 50 vehicle column, captured and diverted to Doha, blew up “accidentally” a few miles before arriving.  Every vehicle blown up.  Yep.  True.  I had the great opportunity to write up the “military history” of the medical operations during the war and after.  (I couldn’t leave until it was done.)  This is now in the Carlisle Barracks history center.  Having had the opportunity to see all secret level intel briefs and sit reps in the Fort Sam Houston medical operations center from about 15 Aug 90 until mid Jan 91 when I finally got myself deployed to the ground war (and always thereafter except while in transit), I knew about the “A team” (anthrax) deployed immediately from FSH after the invasion, and why (we had given Saddam the crap during its Iran war), I knew that in Nov 90 we had a total standown to recount troops because we did not know WITHIN 100 THOUSAND who was in SA or Kuwait or otherwise sent to prepare for war.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having spent much of the latest war prep and execution in an alcoholic haze, I am not exactly sure what I remember.  But… didn’t I see that one great technological breakthrough was that all electrical grids could be shut down by some sort of aluminum shower that would preserve all infrastructure?  So, why the bombs if not simply to cause a need to rebuild?<br />
  Second, did not Bush remove something like 6 thousand pages of the Saddam data dump before giving the info to the UN folk?  What was in that group?  Why didn’t Saddam save a true copy?<br />
  I told my girls when I came back from the first gulf war that my kids and grandkids would have to finish the job that daddy bush was too wimpy to complete when we had the guys to do it.  I was astounded when his baby boy tried to do the same thing with less than half the guys we had then.  (When we heard that Saddam was killing our friends not 200 k from where we were waiting to go home, the 90% reserve unit I was in (I was a major and must admit I instigated it locally, but with much interaction with other unit leaders), signed 4187’s (requests for reassignment) asking to be assigned to units which would go to our friend’s rescue.  That went very well….., but we tried to kick as much ass as we could.<br />
   We finally got redeployed (I was in Ops at Med Center West, up in the top of the disputed triangle, actually well into Iraq and straight west from Kuwait City during the war).  I then was redeployed back in July to the med center at Dahran, until early December 1991.  Maybe folk don’t remember well, but in September the UN inspectors were taken hostage in the Agriculture ministry offices.  They were released when GWB made a deal to have all the doors and cabinets tied off with those really secure (Ha) alluminum railroad seals.  Our guys were totally ready to resuce the UN team.  (I had access to TS reports, and we knew that the team had found the entire WMD program files.  Unfortunately, it also included all the US help during the Bush/Reagan rears… Oh yeah, it did.)  We had SF guys on the ground.  We had the 18th airborne in the air.  Our local guys–me–had prepared the medical support part of the operation to rescue the folk.  In fact, we had it aced.  Fifteen minute standby to execution for more than a week. No problem, few casualties expected, very high payoff in info.  Then, boom, GWB made a deal.  This was at the same time that all roads from SA to Doha in Kuwait were being BLOCKADED and SEARCHED by Iraqi forces.  (We were removing the huge stockpiles in SA to Kuwait, and they had routine roadblocks on the way and diverted the contents into Iraq.  There was also a huge and wellknown scavange project by Iraq into Iraq and Kuwait to recover vehicles and ammo.  In fact, in Oct or Nov 91 something like a 50 vehicle column, captured and diverted to Doha, blew up “accidentally” a few miles before arriving.  Every vehicle blown up.  Yep.  True.  I had the great opportunity to write up the “military history” of the medical operations during the war and after.  (I couldn’t leave until it was done.)  This is now in the Carlisle Barracks history center.  Having had the opportunity to see all secret level intel briefs and sit reps in the Fort Sam Houston medical operations center from about 15 Aug 90 until mid Jan 91 when I finally got myself deployed to the ground war (and always thereafter except while in transit), I knew about the “A team” (anthrax) deployed immediately from FSH after the invasion, and why (we had given Saddam the crap during its Iran war), I knew that in Nov 90 we had a total standown to recount troops because we did not know WITHIN 100 THOUSAND who was in SA or Kuwait or otherwise sent to prepare for war.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/27/steel-cage-death-match-vandehei-vs-shuster/#comment-83027</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Suddenlly as I was reading this I thought …”Oh I know how to expalin this visually …. Just think of Rosemary Woods and the missing 18 minutes. These guys are timeline contortionists”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suddenlly as I was reading this I thought …”Oh I know how to expalin this visually …. Just think of Rosemary Woods and the missing 18 minutes. These guys are timeline contortionists”.</p>
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		<title>By: J i O</title>
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		<dc:creator>J i O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Paul,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you’re still hanging around, do you have a theory to fit your question of last night?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;the real question isâ€¦. why didnâ€™t Rove call up Cooper and ask him about the rumors?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>If you’re still hanging around, do you have a theory to fit your question of last night?</p>
<p><i>the real question isâ€¦. why didnâ€™t Rove call up Cooper and ask him about the rumors?</i></p>
<p>–</p>
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		<title>By: J i O</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/27/steel-cage-death-match-vandehei-vs-shuster/#comment-82887</link>
		<dc:creator>J i O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;!ztiF&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EPU’d Zone has arrived.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>!ztiF</p>
<p>EPU’d Zone has arrived.</p>
<p>–</p>
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		<title>By: mason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/27/steel-cage-death-match-vandehei-vs-shuster/#comment-82767</link>
		<dc:creator>mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, I inadvertently submitted the comment. Here’s the punch line.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rove didn’t know that Cooper emailed his editor about his conversation with Rove. Fitz certainly has a copy of it. Since Cooper had no reason to lie about the conversation, Fitz likely believes him. Meanwhile, Rove’s email to Hadley is coded to conceal what he discussed with Cooper. Because it’s coded, it constitutes powerful evidence that Rove knew that he was breaking the law. Hadley is implicated in the conspiracy because Rove was reporting to him and the report was coded. Finally, waiting to tell Fitz about the email until after Cooper lost his appeal to quash Fitz’s subpoena, some five to nine months later, sure doesn’t seem like a good faith effort to clear-up the record. Instead, it proves that Rove was going to stick with his false, or misleading testimony unless Cooper was forced to testify. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bottom Line: Rove is done and you can stick a fork in him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I inadvertently submitted the comment. Here’s the punch line.</p>
<p>Rove didn’t know that Cooper emailed his editor about his conversation with Rove. Fitz certainly has a copy of it. Since Cooper had no reason to lie about the conversation, Fitz likely believes him. Meanwhile, Rove’s email to Hadley is coded to conceal what he discussed with Cooper. Because it’s coded, it constitutes powerful evidence that Rove knew that he was breaking the law. Hadley is implicated in the conspiracy because Rove was reporting to him and the report was coded. Finally, waiting to tell Fitz about the email until after Cooper lost his appeal to quash Fitz’s subpoena, some five to nine months later, sure doesn’t seem like a good faith effort to clear-up the record. Instead, it proves that Rove was going to stick with his false, or misleading testimony unless Cooper was forced to testify. </p>
<p>Bottom Line: Rove is done and you can stick a fork in him.</p>
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		<title>By: P J Evans</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/27/steel-cage-death-match-vandehei-vs-shuster/#comment-82737</link>
		<dc:creator>P J Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;189 BobbyG says:&lt;br /&gt;
April 27th, 2006 at 7:28 pm &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bobby: He has absolutely incredible luck. Unfortunately we get stuck with the side-effects.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I remember ‘Alas, Babylon’ also. No nightmares, but it sounded all-too-appropriate for duck-and-cover drill days. (We did them at least once a year, sirens and all. I should have more turning-night-into-day mushroom-cloud nightmares than I do.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>189 BobbyG says:<br />
April 27th, 2006 at 7:28 pm </p>
<p>Bobby: He has absolutely incredible luck. Unfortunately we get stuck with the side-effects.</p>
<p>I remember ‘Alas, Babylon’ also. No nightmares, but it sounded all-too-appropriate for duck-and-cover drill days. (We did them at least once a year, sirens and all. I should have more turning-night-into-day mushroom-cloud nightmares than I do.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/27/steel-cage-death-match-vandehei-vs-shuster/#comment-82728</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cleter - you say that as if you think they were using them for something.  Ear today . . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cleter &#8211; you say that as if you think they were using them for something.  Ear today . . .</p>
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		<title>By: ppirt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/27/steel-cage-death-match-vandehei-vs-shuster/#comment-82727</link>
		<dc:creator>ppirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i like FORNIGATE too but come on . . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but: is it not a bit of a challenge for the red state vocabulary???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like FORNIGATE too but come on . . .</p>
<p>but: is it not a bit of a challenge for the red state vocabulary???</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/27/steel-cage-death-match-vandehei-vs-shuster/#comment-82726</link>
		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder what Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson is going to buy with his $100 FristCard?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson is going to buy with his $100 FristCard?</p>
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		<title>By: neurophius</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/27/steel-cage-death-match-vandehei-vs-shuster/#comment-82725</link>
		<dc:creator>neurophius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cmask 270&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Girlie Gate?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you sure the hookers were all female?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cmask 270</p>
<p>Girlie Gate?</p>
<p>Are you sure the hookers were all female?</p>
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