I was on our good friend Colin McEnroe's radio show today and they asked me the dreaded question: what does Viveca Novak have to do with Karl Rove's situation?
I tried to make it as simple as possible, which is not simple at all, and you could feel the radio dials switching over to Golden Oldies. So I'm going to try again here to make it simple and comprehensible.
There are basically two competing and I would say mutually exclusive theories about the role Viveca Novak plays in Karl Rove's defense. They are rooted in the initial reporting on the whole affair, done in the days following our scoop (never credited but confirmed three days later by the New York Times) that she had spilled the beans to Rove's attorney, her good friend Robert Luskin, that his client had been Matt Cooper's source. My guess is that Rove and Luskin feel it is in their interest to keep the waters muddied by fueling both of these theories, hence the largely incomprehensible mess that exists in the press.
The Shuster Theory
Goes something like this: In the days leading up to Libby's indictment, Patrick Fitzgerald expressed extreme skepticism about Karl Rove's series of explanations due to the fact that Rove could never provide an adequate excuse for why the Hadley email was not produced in response to the January 2004 subpoenas until October of 2004. Robert Luskin goes to Fitzgerald and says, in essence, "aha! I'll tell you why. I was having cocktails with my good friend Viveca Novak of Time Magazine in May of 2004 and she told me that everyone at Time knew that my client was Matt Cooper's source. I went to my client who was shocked, shocked I tell you to hear this because he had no recollection of talking to Matt Cooper. This sent me on a search through Karl's emails, and voila! The Hadley email. Karl then goes before the Grand Jury once again in October, his memory has been restored and it all makes perfect sense."
So Fitzgerald tells Time Magazine he wants to have a little chat with Viveca about conversations she had with Luskin starting in May 2004. Except when Viveca testifies, she thinks it's quite probably March or earlier that the conversations with Luskin took place. According to Shuster, Fitzgerald continues to be quite troubled by the seven month delay between the time Luskin was evidently tipped off by Viveca and the time Karl had his memory restored.
The VandeHei Theory
In VandeHei's reporting, the alibi provided by Viveca Novak is altered dramatically. Once again, in order to stave off indictment, Robert Luskin walks in to Patrick Fitzgerald's office and says "have I got an excuse for you." His client Karl Rove first testified before the grand jury in February, 2004, at which time he did not indicate he'd ever had a conversation with Matt Cooper. Nonetheless, he would not offer Cooper a waiver of confidentiality. Cooper quite nearly went to jail and it was only after the judge held him in contempt of court and Time Magazine agreed to turn over Cooper's notes that Rover's memory was restored to him. Bless be.
In the VandeHei theory, Luskin tells Fitzgerald he was knocking back highballs with Viveca Novak in January of 2004 when Viveca spills the beans. Luskin gets a hold of himself, recovers from his shock and tells his client that people at Time Magazine think he was Matt Cooper's source. Rove says "nonsense," goes before the grand jury and claims no knowledge of ever talking with Matt Cooper -- exactly what he had told the FBI in October of 2003. Luskin says to Fitzgerald, "see? He didn't change his story just because he knew Cooper was going to talk -- he'd heard that story before and STILL went in and told the grand jury he'd never spoken with Cooper." Or something.
Only same problem -- Viveca Novak testifies that she thinks she told Luskin in March or so, and quite possibly after Rove had already testified. Oops.
Two Theories
Now I myself have always given more credibility to the Shuster theory because if Luskin walked into Fitzgerald's office claiming that he had talked to Viveca Novak in January of that year, why did Fitzgerald issue subpoenas for conversations starting in May? He's a rather meticulous fellow who has done a very good job of limiting the scope of his inquiry to exactly the parameters he thinks he needs to explore. Pourquoi?
My guess has always been that the VandeHei theory was a second attempt at spin. Once Viveca Novak's recollections did not match up with Luskin's and did not support the tight timeline Luskin was trying to sketch between the tipoff and the discovery of the Hadley email I have always thought it possible that they floated a second cover story to try and accommodate the earlier meeting, although it's always sounded like patent bullshit to me. But you can still see the two theories cropping up in the reporting of each reporter today:
Robert Luskin spoke of a conversation with Time reporter Viveca Novak and a tip about what her colleague Matt Cooper might testify to. Luskin and Rove then searched for White House information to refresh Rove's memory and found a white house email about the Rove-Cooper conversation. Then, according to Luskin, Rove changed his testimony.
The problem is that the time lapse from the Novak tip to the new Rove testimony...was 7 months.
All the while, Fitzgerald suspected that Rove was acknowledging what had happened only because new evidence was surfacing, according to lawyers in the case. But Rove and his lawyer have presented an alternative explanation: that Rove genuinely did not remember his conversation with Cooper, and testified to that effect even though he was aware of rumors that he was one of Cooper's sources.
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Luskin told the prosecutor that Viveca Novak had informed him that she had heard from other Time reporters that Rove was Cooper's source for a July 2003 story on Plame. Luskin shared this information with Rove -- before Rove testified that he did not recall his conversation with Cooper.
Yesterday, Rove told the grand jury that it would make no sense for him to lie in February, knowing that all of this would soon be public, the source said.
Notice that Robert Luskin seems to be the source for both of these stories.
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“Fitz me once and Fitz me twice, then Fitz me once again, it’s been a long, looong time…”
not that complicated. now back to reading math papers…
F-I-T-Z YAHOOOOOOOOOOkitt
Damn, you guys are just too freaking fast.
Well, FITZ-YAH, anyway!!
Rerun alert:
The excellent filibuster by Senator Ron Wyden, with Dick Durbin et al is being replayed (via c-span2 online or tv) right now, as he attempts to save us BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of further debt issued for the sole purpose of further enriching profit-swamped oil companies…
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Josh’s sleuths are thinking Porter Goss might be one of the “users” of the Wilkes prostitution service. That’s the guy who hangs out at the health club most mornings IIRC.
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Hopefully they are casting a wide net and pulling in a few big fish!
I love the title.
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Did anyone see Dana Milbank’s great story about Senatorial hypocrisy as they had a little gas-price related event today?
“”Since George Bush and Dick Cheney took over as president and vice president, gas prices have doubled!” charged Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), standing at an Exxon station on Capitol Hill where regular unleaded hit $3.10. “They are too cozy with the oil industry.”
She then hopped in a waiting Chrysler LHS (18 mpg) — even though her Senate office was only a block away.”
Milbank article
OMG
I’m not going to spoil the surprise… just go to this link!
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000494.php
That story makes no sense whatsoever. How could Rove “kno[w] that all of this would soon be public” if he didn’t remember it, and didn’t believe it happened?
And if Luskin knew in January 2004 that there was a chance that Rove was Cooper’s source, why didn’t he go back and find the Hadley email BEFORE Rove testified, produced the email to Fitz, and prepped Rove to talk about it?
Luskin is utterly desperate — or a really bad lawyer, which is not his reputation — under both scenarios.
Ned’s on Majority Report right now.
Okay, back to Jane’s post.
LOl..
revdeb already beat me.
Anyway, it’s a great story.
Let’s make this really simple - under either theory, Rove was obstructing justice. His lawyers can spin this all they want. Rove lied and for a very obvious reason which has nothing to do was the “I don’t recall” defense.
C’est “pourquoi”, cherie.
If the “why would I be so stupid to lie” defense is such a winner, there would be precious few perjury or obstruction of justice convictions.
This is a really clear explanation Jane. I would’ve LOVED to have been a fly on the wall in that GJ room today as Fitz went over and over and over the different stories that were told to this person and that person and another person.
For me, the key words are the last sentance. Rove/Luskin throwing sand in the faces of the people.
marky—
Mrs. Goss is not a happy camper right now. ROTFLMAO! Whoo boy, how will the NSA recover from this ugliness?
God Jane — when you tell it, it’s so deliciously clear and logical and funny. Can you just go back to the beginning and tell the whole tale in this kind of prose? What a great book THAT would be! A humorous, easy-to-read, retelling of the whole frikkin disaster. I bet that would hit #1 on Amazon in no time.
God bless Monk.
zennurse
Just to put that in perspective — the limo that Bush rides in gets — 8 (eight) miles to the gallon. My ‘67 Chrysler 300 with the 440 engine and holley double pumpin’ carbs did better than that!
But it does weigh something like 4 tons.
OT, but I found an amusing title on a front page diary at RedState:
“IN-02: MoveOn.org continues its relatively baseless attack on Chocola “
“Relatively baseless”? That’s the best they can do?
What next—Bush is “relatively better” than Hitler?
marky #9:
holy fucking shit! to quote tmp: double yowzah.
even the rumor of this is gonna result in beanies poppin throughout goober america.
damn, there’s just waaaaay too much to keep up with. lookout iran…
Anyone care to make predictions tonight? I say Karl Rove gets indicted tomorrow morning for perjury and obstruction of justice.
Does anybody remember what was happening when Rove laid down in front the of the wheels of Air Force One? His excuse to the Grand Jury that forgetting to mention his Cooper conversation would be suicide may be like G. Gordon Liddy’s moment of holding his hand over the candle even when it burned flesh — the secret is in not caring.
Ned’s over, but Greenwald’s coming on.
Sam shreds.
the real question is…. why didn’t Rove call up Cooper and ask him about the rumors?
It is anti-repukian, so how can it be off topic:
What You Need To Believe To Be A Republican:
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of
homosexuals, Arabs, and Hillary Clinton.
Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney and Rumsfeld did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush couldn’t find Bin Laden.
Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is
Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
The United States should get out of the United
Nations, and our highest national priority is
enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans’benefits and combat pay.
If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents
won’t have sex.
A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle and antagonize our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.
Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
HMOs and insurance companies have the
best interests of the public at heart.
Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
A president lying about an extramarital affair is a impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but George Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s driving records are none of our business.
Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.
Supporting “Executive Privilege” is imperative for every Republican ever born, who will be born or who might be born ( in perpetuity.)
What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the ’80s isirrelevant.
There’s nothing wrong with supporting drunken hunters who shoot their friends and blaming the friends for looking too much like quail.
I have to hand it to you, Jane, (and Christy, too) for being so on top of this and keeping the details as straight as it is possible to do with so many twists, turns, and players. It’s hard to believe there is a straight-shooter in the entire bunch, which makes it all the harder to figure out who’s zoomin’ who, and why.
I’m starting to picture Fitzgerald as getting closer than ever to finding the little end of loose yarn that, with barely a tug, will unravel the whole sordid mess, and the Bush presidency will finally - and truly - be in its last throes.
While I think impeachment is a terrible thing to put the country through, I am at the point where I do not believe it is nearly as harmful as allowing these despicable pieces of crap to maintain their hold on this government. I pray America wakes up and realizes that we face far greater danger from the likes of Bush, Cheney and their many minions than we ever have from any terrorist act.
marky says:
April 27th, 2006 at 5:21 pm
Would you call that undercover work?
It’s getting harder than a wedding peter to keep up with all these stories.
p.lukasiak — great post earlier. Really enjoyed it. Sorry my comment is not more timely — can’t post from work.
I’ll go with the FireDogLake Theory: Rove thought the fix was in as long as Ashcroft was in charge of the justice department and he lied like a cheap rug until James Comey put Fitzgerald in charge of the investigation. Suddenly, all those convenient omissions and missing emails acquired an importance they didn’t have before.
“I know what we’ll do,” says Esquire Luskin. “We’ll get Viveca Novak to acknowledge what everybody’s known all along: that Karl has been a lying sack of crap from Day One on this because he just forgot. I’ll admit it, Karl will say he’s sorry and Fitz will be appeased!”
Only Fitz’s response to Luskin was “I’ve got evidence that you and your client have been lying to me. You’re lucky I don’t slap YOU with obstruction for that last little gambit you pulled. And if you don’t come up with a better story by the end of April, this grand jury will be allowed to do what they’ve wanted to do the first time you lied to them.”
Great stuff. Check out NRO’s The Corner. Byron York is confident that no indictment is coming any time soon. This is followed by Andy McCarthy telling us that leaking Ms. Plame’s name was of no consequence. Please go after these two clowns!
I don’t think impeachment would be a terrible thing for the country at all. I think it would be like an exploratory laparotomy (open belly surgery) to remove a huge, malignant tumor that is invading many organs and will kill if not removed.
Impeach.
semblance - 22:
Didn’t Fitz schedule a press conference the day before he indicted Libby? Wouldn’t he do the same for Rove?
Kazuza !!!!!!
It becomes easy if you remove Luskin as the source of Fitz’ knowledge of (i) the alleged conversation with Vivak and (ii) the Hadley email.
Not that people don’t try to obstruct investigations or think they are more clever than prosecutions, and not that Rover isn’t someone who would obstruct or think himself too clever, but I still think the better way to bet on the whole Vivak/Luskin charade is that Fitz knew about both before Vivak testified and Rover testified again.
First, you really do have to assume that prosecutors always know more than they let on. That is particularly true with emails, since we don’t know who might have been copied on it, who it might have been forwarded to, etc. Even if it was erased, they did collect computers. There is also the fact that, IIRC, there were (and perhaps still are) expectations that Hadley would be indicted when Scooter was, and a great deal of surprise when he wasn’t. Admittedly, Fitz having knowledge of a Vivak/Luskin meeting is more less easy to explain, but remember, Time WRT Cooper was in a bind, and there are many ways for prosecutors to gather information that fall short of an appearance before a grand jury.
I didn’t and the time, and I still don’t, think that Luskin through a curve ball into the investigation or Fitz’ schedule. (Not that a prosecutors timetable is written in stone, it is necessarily organic).
I still think the best take on the Luskin/Vivak story is that Luskin learned that Fitz had the email, with the Vivak “story” (not that their meeting didn’t really happen) then being offered up to rehabilitate Rover’s testimony. That is why Vivak then went before the GJ, to put it into the official record, and why Rover followed her.
Most importantly perhaps, if I were to speculate some more (and I will), that would have been the start of Rover’s cooperation (I still don’t believe that anyone who testifies 5x before a grand jury is not cooperating).
What it all means, I don’t know.
The foregoing, being a stream of consciousness that I felt I needed to share, may have holes in it. Poke away at it.
Lina-34 (re semblance-22). It would seem natural for Fitzgerald to hold a press conference on the SAME day the Grand Jury hands down an indictment. Maybe he will tomorrow!
36–
Last time he announced a press conf. the day before the Libby indictment. I don’t expect a surprise indictment.
Didn’t Fitz schedule a press conference the day before he indicted Libby?
I don’t remember. Shuster tonight said that Libby didn’t know until that morning, but I can’t remember the press conference details.
Regarding Porter Goss, time for another lie detector test?
Marky and RevDeb -
thanks so much for the TPM link - please jeebus, please jeebus, please . . .!!!
Wonder if Gannon was covering that story (Goss, Cunningham)
Great, great analyis! I think you nail it here. My favorite part of the supposed Rove defense is that “of course he wouldn’t have lied”… Give me a break. Early on, when Gonzales was directing the investigation, there was no reason to think they’d get caught… I simply don’t believe Rove forgot he spoke to Cooper, unless he was leaking the story to so many people he lost track… Of course, while we can’t know any of this for certain yet, the Shuster Theory plus your take makes a great deal more sense. Those seven months look nothing less than damning. And I trust Luskin almost as much as I trust Rove…
It should be a investigative circus once the dems get control of the house. I think Goss will be the first to be looked at closely.. Having a shameful history of politicizing the CIA in the more shameful effort of covering Bush’s ass makes him a most appropriate target for investigation. He and Senator Pat Roberts are the worst of the worst in bringing down our democratic form of government. They outperform those who threaten our way of life. They have demoralized the intelligence community we depend on for fighting terrorism. Republicans can be proud of what they hath brought forth.
I still don’t believe that anyone who testifies 5x before a grand jury is not cooperating).
EPU, don’t you mean cooperating?
Hell,I almost believe that Bush was the Arabian Candidate, with people like Goss and Roberts his henchmen.
marky #40 -
funny you should mention that as I noted to myself that none of the numerous accounts I’ve read today make any mention of ‘da hookers gender
You are oh so right, zennurse. Though I support censure– it is sorta like finding a horrible , metastasized malignancy during an e-lap, shutting the belly with button closures so that the surgeon can rush the unfortunate person out of the OR and put him/her back in the ICU to die a horrible and slow death in hushed tones.
BTW– Countdown just played the You Spin Me Round lyrics– methinks they read them some Christy and Jane. ;)
OT - Malkin was on O’Reilly. I didn’t realize she has buck teeth if I ever saw any. They were super white, too. Kinda scary.
But I never knew her teeth are that huge.
cbl,
Cunningham has admitted to loving men (although he’s not gay, of course!).
That’s why I wondered about the gender.
Zennurse - I have that double negative thing going. There are plenty of typos, but that isn’t one.
BTW - I once biked from Providence, through the Cape, all the way up to Salem. Been to Rockport and Marblehead (and I lived for three years in the Boston area too). Rockport and Marblehead are great towns.
I’ll take the Shuster version. “…Fitzgerald seems to be quite troubled by the seven month delay between the time Luskin was evidently tipped off by Viv…” and the time Karl cooked up his very unclever senior moment explanation. Yeah, I’ll bet Ranger Fitz IS TROUBLED. I smell whole hog, with an apple in his mouth, Rove, roasting in chef Fitzgerald’s kitchen while being basted with the chef’s special blend of herbs and indictment sauce.
angie #46
I’m sure Olbermann and co. read the blogs.
For Libby, the grand jury was expiring on the day of the indictment, and the press had worked itself into a frenzy, demanding some sort of response from Fitz. That could be one reason why a press conference was announced a day ahead. Maybe now is different.
I’m still hoping. :)
Great, but as Shakespeare might put it “y’are too cold.”
C’mon now. Raw Story has Schuster’s Hardball report quoting Rove as saying his experience in the GJ was “hell.” The Grand Jurors were all over him like white on rice. Put a Republican in a room with people curious about factual information, under no time constraints, and the end result will be a vaguely odiferous puddle under a chair. And Jane, you left out the best part, they are meeting again TOMORROW.
That means we all get to pull out the F-Word again, and jam our fingers silly all day pecking the refresh key, as if some Pavlovian mannah were to be dispensed with each hit.
Add to the mix, the bombshell that Porter Goss might be implicated in HookerGate and you have the makings for a very nice weekend.
zennurse - the only reason I think impeachment is not good for the country is because nothing else seems to get done while it’s ongoing. I am old enough - maybe you are too - to remember Watergate, which I think in terms of criminality, this president has clearly exceeded.
On the other hand, the kind of stuff that has been getting done - and the list is pretty long - hasn’t been good for the country, either, so stopping it in it’s tracks might be be a good thing.
Bush is such a cancer that I agree that impeachment is the only way to “save the patient.”
I used to think the people could be separated from their actions, but I now believe that their actions are a true reflection of the kind of people they are. And they need to go - preferably to jail.
zennurse #33: Impeach.
Not to quibble, but I think the correct spelling is: Chimpeach.
hurm
BTW, if my theory is right, I am claiming double super omniscience, which is the strongest kind there is. :)
About impeachment: look at it this way. Suppose the Dems win in Nov., hold lots of hearing, and all the bad shit comes out. Let the REPUBLICANS call for impeachment then, and if they don’t, hang Bush on them in 08
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....02386.html
OT on McCarthy.
Long time lurker, finally stepping out to say hi.
Because I have to say… damn, Jane, I fucking love you. This post and yesterday’s recapping Rove’s grand jury testimony… well, they’re simply works of art. You brought it all back, so clearly, simply and delicately but delectibly snarky. I think I love you.
But seriously, thanks. I’m a huge fan.
Billmon has some great stuff up tonight. He says it could be that Rove is a squealer: The following, from Billmon:
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Whether Karl can help give it to him is another story, one that hasn’t been told yet. Like I said, this may all still be about getting Scooter (although Libby could also just be a rest stop on the road to Cheneyville). But if Fitz decides to let Rove off, or taps him lightly on the wrist, in order to get what he thinks he needs to prosecute the foulest son of a bitch to inhabit the vice president’s office since Spiro Agnew copped a plea, then all I can say is more power to him.
Indictments all around on next Wed. Tomorrow would be good, too.
mesoderm– feels good doesn’t? nice to meet you!
doesn’t it? whoops.
Thanks for the link RevDeb, first I heard that
that malevolent piece of shitGoss might get caught in Hookergate.Since Porter likes lie detector tests so much, this is a perfect opportunity for him to take one.
angie - thanks. and yes, it does.
re TPM - Goss is not an un-handsome fella, right ladies? (at least, for a crusty ole gray spook)….probably oozing with charm, n’est-ce pas? So why pay for some action when you’re oh-so-powerful (think “Mona Lisa” movie with Bob Hoskins.) That must have been one heck of a love shack…
Punaise–yet another reason to wonder what sort of forbidden fruit they were offering. I bet it was boys, but there are many other possibilities.
Well said Frank in 42, thanks.
If the subpoena mentioned May, it was probably because Viv herself told Fitz that was a likely date.
From Viveca Novak’s firsthand account in Time, beginning with an informal interview before her subpoena:
Anne–I think it would be a relief to a lot of people in this country. It would look as though at least some damn thing worked right anymore.
I do remember Watergate. I was scared during the hearings because of the depth of the wrongdoing was exposed, and I feared for the country if Nixon stayed on. But he did not.
‘All work and no play makes Karl a dull boy’
Howdy Mesoderm. Ain’t Jane a peach!
Jane:
It’s porquoi
joe scarborough doing the prostitute story
p luk, great catch in 25. That sounds like a question Rove got from the grand jury.
Goss is not an un-handsome fella, right ladies?
i’d agree — the package ain’t bad; it’s the contents that smell.
And is this the man who spends several hours a day at his health club? Is/has he been born again?
Handsome is as handsome does.
Schuster’s greater credibility than Pool Boy’s is evidenced by the fact that we have not seen fit to give Schuster a nickname.
mesoderm — come on in, the water’s fine.
Love the handle! Ecto, meso — it is all skin to me….
Meanwhile, what I just do not get about either Viveca Novakula theory is why Luskin hasn’t been conflicted out of represtenting Rove. I mean, he has insinuated himself as a fact witness. Normally, that means an automatic conflict and precludes future representation. When there are other types of conflicts, the client, once informed of the conflict, can waive it and continue with conflicted counsel. That is normally not the case, however, with fact witness conflicts because the other party is in charge, ultimately, of calling in the witness chit.
So, anyone have a theory about how Luskin continues to be Rove’s attorney?
marky 68: oh, my. that NAMBLA stuff will play well to the base….
punaise– Goss’ lips creep me out as does his voice. Cover those with duct tape and just maybe I can think about it……nope, can’t do it. sorry;)
Markey,
Ya think Goss will be continuing to hang out at the health club or will he have to find another cave to hide in?
Now they’re talking about Jerry (Gerry?) Lewis too!! Getting tastier! Keep it coming. . . .
deadlast #26, Saddam was a bad guy when he was considering using the euro instead of the dollar. Unforgiveable, ya know.
angie - at least you tried
I don’t mean to be a lurker, but by the time I get through reading all the comments, a new thread pops up and I miss the boat. You are all awesome. Thanks so much for all the insight. Jane, Redd and the rest, you kick ass!
61:
Billmon’s theory could be right that Rove was before the GJ, again, because he’s cooperating with the prosecutor. But he makes too much of Karl “volunteering” to go and Luskin being remiss in letting him go. I don’t think anyone volunteers to go. They are just avoiding a subpoena by agreeing to go.
immanentize says: “So, anyone have a theory about how Luskin continues to be Rove’s attorney?”
April 27th, 2006 at 6:04 pm
I have been wondering about that as well - but are there any circumstances that would permit an attorney to continue representing a client when the attorney is also a fact witness, so long as the client consents?
FWIW: Friday, a week from tomorrow, with be the 5th of May — please make it the Fitzo de Mayo … Indict Cheney !
Finally! Hookers and sex. Impeach Porter Goss!!
neurophius #79
I happen to like Schuster, even though he works with Chris Matthews and used to work for FOX News, but he bashed FOX after he left:
Goss is the one cleansing the CIA from Dems. Boyoboy, I’ll bet there are a few spooks that will volunteer their time to help out the FBI on this one.
colleenmiltarymom says:
are you watching scarborough. i’m amazed to see him devoting the first segment of his program on this story. david shuster, melanie sloan, a reporter from san diego union tribune and wonkette all had something to say. lol.
Stephen — plea deal — Luskin could continue to represent Rove then because the facts would be off the table.
Meanwhile, if Goss is implicated in the hooker scandal, I’ll bet anyone a dinner at the Palm that the CIA was the source of the information.
RevDeb #92
I sure hope so.
Isn’t it illegal to fire people based on political affiliation?
mesoderm #60 - well said ! nice to have you join us
am a little disappointed Wonkette did not mention Guckert under ’sex scandals’ but it was still fun to see Scarborough climb all over it
Hi Mesoderm
Desolé, punaise– and I do like men, too. Like Fitz, Feingold, Gore, Neil Young, George Clooney, etc. The list grows every day… and so do they.
Scarborough leads with the Wilkes/prostitution scandal. One of the issues the Republican used against Clinton was the threat of blackmail, not just from Monica, but from anyone who knew about it. The perception is that once a Lobbyist has “something” on you, it’s cheaper to blackmail you than to bribe you.
Karl thinks he’s in bigger do-do than before, and this according to Shuster. Be sure to catch the repeat of Olbermann if you missed it earlier.
There already has been a couple of diaries over at Kos, and one is just now up on the Recommended list.
Story details at Raw Story
Trying to recall, and will stand corrected if recall faulty, but when Scooter was indicted, I don’t think Fitz announced the press conf. until Friday morning. It’s just that there was rampant speculation Thursday night . . . with a huge percentage of folks, even in the MSM, predicting indictments on Friday. Tick-tock, tick-tock.
Maybe he is squealing and Fitz wants others to fret knowing Rove was there so long. I wish I knew if a person had their security clearance pulled, would that fact be classified? I imagine Rove got his clearance pulled…but why would that not be mentioned?
Illegal? What does that mean to this admin?????
Illegal, Schmillegal. They do what they want because no one holds them accountable.
Wouldn’t it be fun to take some of them down for their own blowjobs!
I’m just sayin’
There isn’t enough irony on this planet to let that happen. . . .but please oh please.
Sisters and Brothers,
Let us pray.
bkny, thanks for the tip on Scarbourough, I never would have watched had it not been for your 75.
Let me add about the prostitute thing — Mitch Wade is very possibly not only a corrupt bribing SOB, but also seems to have intelligence connections — CIA, DOD or otherwise. So, Wade’s “relationship” with Goss when the latter was a pro-CIA Congressman would not be surprising at all. Too bad these guys think with their little heads….
I can’t remember when Fitz announced the Libby presser. Everyone knew the GJ term expired on Friday though.
Here’s one you guys should click on for sure. This is a tiger that’s gonna bite alot of people.Insurers continue to pull out of coastal areas
April 26, 2006 - 03:21 PM
From USA Today:
Updated 4/26/2006 12:27 PM ET
By Marilyn Adams, USA TODAY
With the 2006 hurricane season starting in just five weeks, many home insurers from Texas to Florida to New York are canceling policies along the coast or refusing to sell new ones out of fear of another catastrophic storm.
In the widest insurance retreat from coastal property since Hurricane Andrew slammed Florida in 1992, insurers as far north as Long Island, N.Y., and Cape Cod, Mass., are shedding coastal homeowners policies to reduce their exposure.
George Will wrote one of those parrot Op Eds week or so ago, repeating the same talking points as Bush about the cost of Global Warming to the economy. Well the insurers aren’t dummies, and apparantly they’ve done some cost estimates of their own. The News Hour tonight had a story from the Maldive Islands in the Indian Ocean. 4,000 refugees there already, retreating from low islands. Somebody get out a pencil.. the costs of not acting are here and they need to be tabulated.
it was pretty obvious the night before Fitzmas that something big was going to happen. as you recall, that was the night Bob Woodward made his infamous appearance on the Larry King Show poo-pooing the story about him imminently about to break “a big story”.
notimetowaste at 101 — I think that is correct. The announcement for the presser came the morning of the indictment and not beforehand as I recall as well.
101: I stand corrected. The media advisory on Fitz’ web site is dated 10/28.
John Casper
me neither, but i saw the promo for al franken and thought i’d stick around. little did i know. oh hell, i was hoping it wasn’t a pretaped segment, cause franken’s reaction to the hooker angle would have been priceless. guess i’ll have to wait for tomorrow’s radio program.
immanentize #105
Don’t forget, Goss is from Florida, where Katherine Harris is and she has been implicated with the MZM scandal.
ccmask at 102 — when Rover’s portfolio changed in the last few days, there were reports (I belive in the WaPoo) that he maintained his securoty clearance, even with the move across the hallway.
Christy #113
Think Progress noted that McClellan said “absolutely” that Rover-Rover-Bring Karl Rove Over still had his security clearance despite his demotion.