
I saw the Paul Bass article in the Hartford Courant yesterday and thought it was quite good. Bass understands and bears witness to something that many big megaphone media types who are busy buying into Hugh Hewitt’s atavistic notions of a "fever swamp" do not: a sea change is at hand relative to the way Democratic candidates position themselves and shape their message on the internet. And Joe Lieberman, he argues, is caught behind the technological 8-ball:
A virus is dogging three-term incumbent U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman. One of its gestation spots is www.youtube.com, a web site where anyone can post a homemade video.
Go there and search for "Ned Lamont." He’s the liberal Greenwich businessman staging a spirited challenge to Lieberman for the Democratic nomination.
Up spring a queue of videos posted by bloggers who love Lamont and despise Lieberman. There’s Ned on WFSB-TV. Ned giving a speech in Southbury. Ned on "Beyond the Headlines." A montage of Ned photos and messages played to the tune of "Rock The Boat."
Now search for "Joe Lieberman." Up spring a queue of videos posted by bloggers who … love Lamont and despise Lieberman. Joe on TV defending the war in Iraq. Joe equivocating on Bush’s illegal wiretapping. A montage of Abu Ghraib torture and President Bush and Joe Lieberman photos played to the tune of "Masters of War." (The fade-out switches to Lamont and "All You Need Is Love.")
The bloggers who spend untold hours preparing these videos also post articles and comments and campaign information all over the Web attacking Lieberman and enlisting supporters for Lamont’s campaign.
They don’t report to Lamont headquarters in Meriden. They don’t charge a cent.
No wonder Lieberman, who months ago seemed the safest of safe incumbents, has been uncharacteristically testy and stumbling lately, getting booed at the Jefferson Jackson Bailey dinner, getting into a bizarre confrontation with radio talk-show host Colin McEnroe over the evil of bloggers and The New York Times. (The transcript’s at www.firedoglake.com (search: Lieberman).
The man who was so ahead of the political curve when he entered the Senate 18 years ago is now hopelessly behind it.
Over at MyDD, Chris Bowers has what I think is a very enlightened and thought-provoking piece on the far-reaching implications of all of this:
Since at least 1992, the easiest and most likely path to national prominence as a Democrat has been through public acts of Sista Soulja. For the past fifteen years (or more), in order for Democrats to gain favor within the national political narrative, it has been deemed necessary that they castigate and distance themselves from members of their own party in the same manner that Republicans would do so. This situation has proven is untenable for Democrats for two main reasons. First, in order to gain national prominence and a favorable position within the national political narrative, Republicans are never required to castigate anyone in their own party for extremism. Thus, the narrative always forces Democrats to look more divided (and hence, no one knows what they stand for). Second, while it may be to the benefit of individual Democrats to repeat Republican talking points about Democrats, it is entirely against the interests of the Democratic Party as a whole. Thus, Democrats have incentives to make their own party appear extreme, anti-religion, soft on defense, etc. This is how we ended up with a situation in the 1990’s when a popular Democratic President presided over a nation where the electoral fortunes of the Democratic Party were in severe decline. When the Democratic Party leadership was repeating Republican complaints about Democrats, in Peter Daou’s formulaiton, the conventional wisdom triangle closed against Democrats. One only wonders what could happen to the Democratic Party if Hillary Clinton is able to complete her plan of becoming our leader by Sista Souljaing every progressive in the country.
I won’t pretend to be the one who originally observed that Hillary Clinton’s call for a wall between the US and Mexico was an attempt to bait the leftier members of the party into a Sista Souljah moment, but I think it is quite probably accurate. And as Bowers notes, it is the kind of move that is ultimately extremely divisive — it puts the interests of self above party and continues to degrade the Democratic brand, both alienating the base and causing people to scratch their heads and wonder what the Democrats stand for in one clean motion.
RJ Eskow had a similar observation in a very good post on the Hillary campaign the other day:
Hillary wants to be President. And she wants to do it by running to the right of the Republicans on national defense and other issues. Why? Because she clings to the naïve belief that her husband won because he was a centrist – when the fact is he won because he’s a great politician. (If right-leaning Democrats are such a great idea, why wasn’t Scoop Jackson ever President?)
And if Bill really is her chief advisor, then he’s proving that, as great a campaigner as he was, he’s equally lousy as a political consultant. (Remember his advice to Kerry – thankfully not taken – that Kerry endorse the anti-gay-marriage referendums being promoted in 2004?) Whoever’s guiding Hillary these days is giving her advice that makes for poor politics and poor policy. In effect she’s running against her own base while inflaming passions in a powder-keg situation.
There is a ground game going on with regard to the internet that the Lamont campaign has not orchestrated, but it has interacted with remarkably well. I’ve seen absolutely no evidence of any awareness on the part of any of the 2008 campaigns regarding this; they’ve done some tentative outreach but one imagines their consultants, major targets of our rancour, wave them off and consider us "tainted," "dangerous," "uncontrollable" and very much reflected in Hugh Hewitt’s characterization of the "fever swamp."
And that’s just fine. Once they wake up we’ll still be here, but by that time the parade may have passed them by.
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fitz!
EPU’d ; )
Just on NBC Nightly News….
Mary McCarthy’s attorney tells NBC’s Andrea Mitchell that Mary categorically denies leaking classified information (presumably about the secret prisons to Dana Priest) and that she never even had access to it…
Most presidential candidates go toward the base until they secure the nomination- and then move back in the general election. (like McCain is trying to do).
Hillary seems to have it bassackwards. Apparently she thinks that she is unelectable as long as she is seen as a liberal by the moderate voters. Don’t know if she is right- but I think she has endangered her chances of getting the nomination- even if the polls show that she would win.
I am looking for a candidate who shows the ability to come up with genuine solutions to the problems we face- I don’t care if he/she comes from left, right, or center. I will NOT vote for someone who is doctrinaire- from either party- we have seen how dangerous that can be.
Sent this to thirdpartykos@yahoo.com (the way to contact Lamonts’ people) for their perusal.
I now proudly have the Lamont bumpersticker on my car.
http://lamont.laresistance.us
Lieberman has to go…and Hillary can go with him – I’m utterly sick of these self-serving faustians that represent nothing but themselves.
OT.
At multiple pollings in the low 30%.
Bush has officially entered into “The Weekend At Bernies Presidency”.
Cheney was just acting out what we already know, this adminstration is moribund.
-GSD
VOT=
I need help with Mozilla Firefox. I have lost my original page with all my bookmarks and themes after creating a ‘profile’ when prompted. If anyone knows how to help, please speak up. I’m desolate, I have so much stuff in the bookmarks that I use almost every day!!!
Thank you.
Pass it on…
Tip to De Le Where
zennurse,
You might try “restoring” to a previous date again. You can always” “unrestore” it if it doesn’t work.
Fafblog had a great satirical skit featuring Hillary with other dems. Written in an interview style, instead of answering her questions, Hillary would bite the head off a small animal. It was the only funny thing faf ever did – just kidding. Maybe he’ll recycle it.
was an attempt to bait the leftier members of the party into a Sista Souljah moment, but I think it is quite probably accurate.
i’m not sure i agree with that. she’s proposed several boneheaded schemes to prove her bonafides to conservatives: video games; flag-burning legislation; build a texacali fence; her muddled, takeallsides on abortion (but really, really play down abortion).
it’s nothing more than cynical political calculations at work. i will not vote for her re-election (although she will win) and i sure as hell will not vote for her in 2008.
Newsweek is also reporting that McCarthy denies leaking classified info on secret prisons. Astoundingly, the same article says that anonymous CIA officials deny she was fired for any particular leak. Presumeably that includes about the secret prisons.
So we have McCarthy denying she leaked any secrets and the CIA saying she wasn’t fired for leaking any secrets.
[snip]
Isn’t it clear then that McCarthy is just being scapegoated and made into an example? And pointedly they are punishing her on vague charges, just to put the fear of
GodGoss, in everybody at the CIA.I have a sinking feeling that the McCarthy affair is going to create as much a ruckus as the Plame story and this is only beginning of the story. The back story is that the WH is out to destroy any vestige of accountability that comes from within the administration.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12…../newsweek/
Hi everyone, I just returned from 2 weeks in France and Belgium, suffered some severe FDL withdrawal symptoms, and US political news shortage in general. Here are some observations from watching about a cumulative 1 hour per day of TV news in English in Europe (BBC World and CNN International): in two weeks the only US political coverage was 1) Scott McClellan’s resignation 2) US generals agitating for Rummy’s resignation (a 2.5 day story) 3) Iran 4) Iraq and 5) the Falun Gong protester of Hu. On the positive side, there wasn’t one damn word about Natalie Holloway. I saw one teeny tiny mention of the Mary McCarthy leak story in The Worst Newspaper Ever (USA Today), nothing on TV. I was going crazy for details, I figured, man, Jane and Christy will be all over this one like flies on shit, and, sure enough … (BTW, is Christy on vacation (well-deserved) or what?)
Well, this sure is a fast evolving blog – looks like I’ve got about a one week backlog if I skip the comments. Looks like a lotta new bylines there.
I made a whole bunch of crazy predictions on the last thread, so here’s one for this one:
Hillary won’t be the nominee. She’s gonna go all Muskie and vanish in a puff of bad focus-group data. She’s Muskie. She’s Mo Udall. She’s the conventional wisdom that turns out to be wrong.
zennurse
I’d find out what the browser calls the ‘bookmark’ file, name and type (*.xxx) close the browser and search for files with that name. They may have been moved or renamed slightly. Also, manually open and search the browser’s directory/folder.
I hope you find what you’re looking for.
Kid on the porch with a box of puppies and Dubya rides by on his bike. “Hey kid what kind o puppies ya got there?”
Kid says, “Well sir, they’re republicans.”
W chuckles and says, “That’s fantastic, son.”
Next week Dubya walks by the kids house with the Dick in tow. He says, “Hey Dick, watch this.”
W says, “Tell Unka Dick what kind o puppies ya got in yer box there son.”
Kid says, “Yes sir, These puppies are democrats.”
W says, “Democrats! How’d that happen? last week they was repuplicans!”
Kid says, “Well sir, this week they have their eyes open.”
cleter,
Hillary is the conventional wisdom because Republicans love to frame her as the front runner so they can make fun of her.
She is their go-to Democrat joke candidate.
Whenever the conversation turns to the 2008 election, they throw her name out there and start cackling. Then the one-liners begin.
Anyone who tells you Hillary is the front runner is probably a Republican.
Whenever her name comes up, I say “Whatever. She is of no real interest to any Democrats I know. Feingold, Gore and Clark are my front runners because they are leaders who are willing to call our president to the carpet.”
OT – Don is getting sued. Bunch of mouthy 16 & 17 yos.
How do you swiftboat a 16 yo? *g*
http://tinyurl.com/grmop
The plaintiffs — all 16- and 17-year-old students from the New York area — were approached by military recruiters even after demanding that their information be stricken from the database, Lieberman said.
Say I’m a mom – some creepy guy is keeping a database on my minor child and approaching them to make propositions —
NOt to worry.
“There’s nothing sinister,” [David] Chu [under secretary of defense for personnel and readiness and also named in the suit] said when responding to criticism of the program last year.
Ahhh, Chu. (for punaise)
Hillary just doesn’t get it. If she had hewn to a traditional Democrat line as in “progressive”, she would have a lot more strength in the base. As it is she comes across as standing for not much else aside from support for the Republican war in Iraq. And whatever it is other than the war she stands for, I’m just not sure of. I still think Gore has it over Senator Dogette in spades. Senator Clinton has not much time left to correct course, and secure this Democrat’s vote in 2008. These elections in ‘06 and ‘08 are for the Democrats to lose. I’m disgusted with Hillary and most of the so called Democratic leadership.
On the old thread–I finally got an answer from shooter to my question of why we are torturing now, when we didn’t torture Nazis. The answer contains some bone-chilling fascism. Apparently, Nazis had a code of honor, and were not religious fanatics. So,it’s ok to torture religious fanatics who don’t wear uniforms. Presumably, then, he would be ok with torturing Eric Rudolph. Shooter did not address the other part of my question, which was, why do we need secret prisons anyhow?
zennurse
another thought is that they’re hiding in plain sight. Look carefully at ALL the bookmarks you have now. They may be in a folder you haven’t look at. Ever read EA Poe’s ‘The Purloined Letter’?
Like it or not, because she is a woman she is viewed as “weak” in certain areas. Doesn’t most if not all of this calculation stem from the fact that as the first significant woman contender she has a bit of prejudice to overcome?
Personally, I don’t like all the triangulation that seems to turn good people into politicians, but considering the trouble this country is in because of leaders who have truly black hearts, I’m willing to take a pass on bashing her for being coy to help get elected. I do believe she would have her heart in the right place, and would be savvy enough to reverse some of the damage we’ve witnessed.
As for Joe, no one man with a “d” after his name has caused more damage to this country over the past 10 years. He must go.
XYZ,
Bill Frist won the Tennessee straw poll a few weeks ago. He is the Republican front runner.
Dr. Frist, the ethically challenged frontrunner.
-GSD
More evidence that Hillary is the favorite Republican joke/villain candidate:
Dick Morris wrote a whole freaking book about her running against Condi.
My point is, don’t try to reason with people who call Hillary the front runner. They generally have an axe to grind of some type. They want to talk about her and Bill and the BJ and feminism and whether she is “brittle”.
They aren’t interested in talking about the real candidates or the real issues that we discuss here at FDL on a daily basis.
Cozumel. could you remind me how to do the restore? I think we’ve been down this road together before, a couple of months ago.
Thanks
Cleter are more patient than me, I wrote an F-you reply after the snark about Democrats and terrorists….but deleted it. It is like debating a baked ham.
But there is no reasoning with the unreasonable.
-GSD
Cleter – if you can’t polka, you’ll never understand the right.
Polka, plaid pants and wingtips. No wonder they want to torture someone.
Blank, I have nothing in my bookmarks, it’s like I have just downloaded Firefox for the first time. My toolbar was loaded on the real one, now it looks so……naked. No Stumble, no toolbar folder sites, nothing.
Zen,
http://www.microsoft.com/windo…..store.mspx
http://smh.com.au/news/opinion…..ntentSwap2
OT great editorial calling this the “trash presidency.”
I saw that Chris Matthews show on Sunday, and it was surreal. It was as if the episode was from Sept 2008, and had fallen through a time vortex. They talked as if Hillary was the nominee already. It was quite bizarre.
I still think she’ll be the candidate with plenty of money early on, who still flames out. Think Phil Gramm in ‘96. He had the most money going into Iowa, and it was a humiliating disaster for him.
GSD,
Agreed, Democrats can use the same approach and ask Republicans about their leading candidate, Bill Frist, Mr. Blind Trust and long-distance Terri Schiavo diagonoser?
But the beauty of the Republican approach is that they have picked Hillary as the front runner without having any real evidence that she is anything close to being at the head of the class of Democratic nominees.
So when they talk about Hillary being the front runner – you can respond by asking whether they think that Rick Santorum will be the Republican candidate.
When they say no, ask why?
Is it because he is so aligned with Bush and the Christian Right? Is it because the whole Republican Party is the Party of Bill Dobbs and Jerry Falwell?
This is how the game is played.
Either you’re with the baked ham or with the tairists.
Ran a Clusty on shooter, we need to let go. Nothing awful, but he’s a troll and you know the policy. It only takes one to hijack the thread.
I ham what I ham.
Chicago Sun Times is reporting that Dems in the Dem controlled IL state legislature have introduced legislation calling for IL to transmit impeachment charges to Congress.
http://www.suntimes.com/output…..ach24.html
I think VT is considering similar legislation. This could get pretty funny if a half dozen state legislatures impeach Bush.
If states are so angry that they are impeaching the preznit under an obscure parliamentary rule never before exercised in the history of Republic and intended to protect the states from tyranny at the center, when will congressional dems get a clue?
zennurse — I think that is the general consensus. Community decides.
Either the transcript of the president’s talk to a group of business people in CA got mangled, or he actually said the following:
No, Mr. President, it’s not easy work. But as you have demonstrated, it is a lot easier to go from a democracy to tyranny. In five short years.
http://www.editorandpublisher……1002385210
I would also like to express my support for ham.
Bill Dobbs? Lou Dobbs? James Dobson? I don’t think I’m familiar with Bill Dobbs. Is he a wingnut-someone I’ve missed?
A Ham with a Yam.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/holi…..ving/2005/
-GSD
James Sponge-Bob Dobson.
-GSD
Well, interesting. I think Ms. Hamsher is on to something about the importance of blogs, and the internet in general. Here’s my take: blogs can educate someone about an issue, the issue becomes more than a poll number. That doesn’t mean that you have to agree with the “consensus” of a blog’s thoughts on something, but at least a blog will give you texture.
If I were a politician, I’d get my poll data on say….gay marriage. It’d tell me….35% think this way, 50% think that way, etc. But if I read a blog on the issue, the numbers turn into texture and meat. I see WHY people think this way or that…what the key issues “within the issue” are. A politician could learn alot from reading a blog on some issue.
And, using the internet to generate some pizzazz in your favor can be VERY effective, and its damn near free!
One last thing:
What in the HELL is a Sista Soulja moment? And who in the HELL is sista soulja???
Ghostman
All right Zen, but I was having such a polka party. :(
More OT – the Pew polling showed what I’ve been pushing here a bit; even though he has laid pretty low, Edwards polls better than Hilary or any other Dem right now, and doesn’t do awful with Republicans and Indies.
I actually like a lot of things about Hilary, but I’d go 3rd party unless she ends up running against Cheney. So, Tweety, that bastion of “everyone loves GWB except a few nutbars” political wisdom is calling it for Hilary? Uh, what eggsactly does that tell us [insert a Morningstar “past performance is no guarantee . . .” disclaimer]
Jane,
Welcome back. Taylor did a nice job in your absence.
-GSD
Hillary’s just putting on an act for the rubes. We forget here, just how god awful stupid many people are. I’d vote for Hillary in a New York minute.
Ghostman
Sista Souljah was a musician who made a remark about killing whites or somesuch. Instead of black people killing each other they should kill white people–I think she may have been commenting on rap lyrics or something. Clinton criticized her for it in the 92 campaign. It supposedly made him look tough or independent or something.
Hillary’s just putting on an act for the rubes.
But,but,but,She’so aaaaaaangry!
lol.
zennurse, you might want to use this for next time. ;)
http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/
47: ok, thanks. I’m sort of a non-rap kinda guy. chuckle.
Ghostman
O/T Mary McCarthy – is she following our Mary and looseheadprop’s lead – if it’s illegal, it’s not classified and therefore if she is the leaker, she didn’t leak “classified” info ??
and did they go heavy on the polygraph as a means of avoiding prosecuting her ?
curiouser and curiouser -
cleter,
I hope your correct in your prediction. I just feel Hillary will be a bad idea as President.
Let me share a conversation I overheard from two Rush ditoheads today.
They were saying that all the generals coming out were from Clinton’s time in office (Ok these are the guys I want to sell that bridge I have been trying to get rid of in Brooklyn!) and that BushCo’s poll numbers were low because of his people. (As if he reads anything before he signs it!) They also were laughing hopefully that Hillary would be our nominee. (Who can know what these GOP blinded freaks find funny…)
These dip-shits are the 32% that still think BushCo is the doing a good job.
“Pink and pudgy, he looks like one of Disney’s three little pigs, although infinitely more smug.”
great line describing Rove from Margot’s find.
And Jane, I didn’t mean blog policy, I guess I used the wrong word, I meant more like “community norm”.
Thanks, Jane! I also wrote a piece three weeks ago about Hillary called “Running Against the Base” that began with the words “We’re all Sistah Souljah now.”
Obviously a meme whose time has come!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..18374.html
thanks for the help, I have been restored.
What a relief!
I liked what Eskow had to say about Hillary but disagree about Bill. He did not win in ‘92 because he was a great candidate. He won because of Ross Perot. In ‘96 he won because the Repugs put a living cadaver up against him. The Clintons do not represent the historical Democrat party: they represent themselves only. Witness the negative aid they gave Gore in 2000 and almost non-existant aid to Kerry in ‘04. I am non-affiliated but would like to vote Democrat, a.k.a. progressive, but they will have to put up someone like Gore or Howard Dean to get my vote. Otherwise, it will be Green Party for me.
Nix.
Dittohead logic:
The Generals joined the military in 1992. Quickly became Clinton Generals and promptly left in 2000.
With that logic if someone joined when Reagan was in office and became a General under Clinton, does that make them a Reagan General or a Clinton General?
Great logic.
-GSD
Sister Souljiah was a Black singer who put out an anti-killing song that contained a line addressed to young Black men, asking why are they so busy killing other young Black men instead of killing whites. The racist wingers (did I repeat myself?) seized on that line — making it seem she was actually advocating killing white folk. Bill Clinton as a candidate also jumped on that bullshit bandwagon to prove he wasn’t “too Black” (wink, wink from a white boy from the South). Disgusting!
Later that summer, I met Sister Souljiah and got an autographed photo for my office door…way cool for a punkazz whiteboi like me!
“thanks for the help, I have been restored.”
Cool ; )
Nix 52
Generals from Clinton’s time? What does that mean? Did he brainwash them? Let’s say you were in the Army 30 years, retiring as a general in 2000. That would mean you were in the army under 4 republican presidents and two democrats–12 Democrat years, to 18 Republican years. They are as much from Reagan’s time or Bush 1.0’s time as Clinton’s. That’s just dumb.
#13 – op99
Welcome back op99. My computer was down for 5 days and when I came back Jane was in San Diego and Christy wasn’t posting and I don’t know why.
Can anyone enlighten me as to why Christy isn’t posting? If not, I guess I’ll be reading through 5 days worth of posts to see if it’s in there.
Hillary will never get the nomination. Picture the whole slew of candidates in those cattle call debates they have during primary season. Now imagine all the candidates who voted yes on the Iraq debacle explaining their positions. Then imagine who primary voters will choose in the voting booth.
Case closed.
Sorry, Tweety. It ain’t happening for Hil.
14 Cleter
I knew Mo Udall.
Mo Udall was a family friend and my congressman.
He ran an honorable campaign talking about what he (really) believed, came in second in a bunch of primaries to Carter, and was, as the title of his book suggested, Too Funny To Be President.
She’s no Mo Udall.
Glad to see people are waking up to the self-serving opportunist that is Hillary Clinton. Maybe she, like Lieberman, should consider running as a Republican.
I’m so glad there’s increasing support and patter about lieberman and ned now, and that the progressive community is moving ned into the public consciousness in a big way. By doing it there naturally follows a clear look and what a disaster lieberman has become for the Dems and how his DINO status is a huge liability.
I just can’t warm up to hil at all. She is such a politician with a capital P. I’d be interested to know how our NY contingent feel about her in terms of her state work and results. I actually liked her better when Bill was President; I respected her active role and her obvious humanity at the time. Now, I feel she says what she says only after all the info has been sorted and evaluated. I never get the feeling she is speaking from her heart.
RE Hilary and Wall:
CA GOP governor who understand how to get elected does not want a wall -at least does not want a wall you can see. Wants a soft wall. Arnold understands how walls can backfire. Also Yahoo news item that even President Bush understands you can’t deport all the undocumenteds. So Dems can run right of Bush and still bash House Gop immigration bill. Who wudda thunk?
Schwarzenegger Blasts Idea of Border Wall By MICHAEL R. BLOOD, Associated Press Writer
Mon Apr 24, 1:17 AM ET
LOS ANGELES – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Sunday said that building a 700-mile wall along the Mexican border to deter illegal immigration would amount to “going back to the Stone Ages,” and instead urged the use of high-tech gear and more patrols to secure the nation’s southern boundary.
“We are landing men on the moon and in outer space using all these great things. I think that other technology really can secure the borders,” the Republican governor said in an interview on ABC’s “This Week.”
“If I say now, ‘Yes, let’s build the wall,’ what would prevent you from building a tunnel? I mean, we’ve detected tunnels left and right that people can drive trucks through,” he added.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..mmigration
de-lurking to say, it’s about time that shooter shmuck got the boot, it’s been spewing rightwing ignorance around here for a while and in typical wingnut fashion….the truth will not penetrate the thickness of its skull.
GSD, are you on-board with Pach’s Roots project? angie, you’re from NH too (I think), are you involved?
Senator H. Clinton, meet “Stone Ages” (and that does not mean Gubernator Arnold, apparently)
Jay,
I haven’t signed on. How?
-GSD
Olbermann was joking that Bush is on ice with a Farenheit of 32 degrees.
Susan 63
I meant no disrespect to Mo Udall. He was a fine person. I merely meant that he was widely expected to be the nominee for 76, and Carter was sort of a surprise sleeper candidate. I merely meant she was like Mo in the sense that this is like 76.
Keith O, while talking about the Preznit’s ratings, said it is approaching Jefferson Davis levels !
Honorary Neo-Con Joe Lieberman
Susan,
Moe Udall story from NH. He approaches a group chuckling men in a coffee shop and says “I’m Moe Udall, I’m running for President.”
One of the men responds: “We know, we were just laughing about it.”
-GSD
Jay– I did not think there was a roots project for NH. wow. And I really try to pay attention, too.
orangejumpsuite 38 -
The Articles of Confederation wasn’t exactly a real smooth start for our government to begin.
It gets more and more clear. Someone forgot to tell him we moved on to a Constitution, complete with a Bill of Rights.
No wonder he’s so confused about the 4th Amendment.
GSD, go back a ways to Pach’s post with the Muhammad Ali photo, and he lists the email address to sign up. I’m game to make the trip up to Concord if we can organize it.
shooter? boot? Shooter posted a few nice links that contradicted his own talking points. Seriously -the one on Scott Ritter. I’m glad I read that for the next time some wingnut accuses Ritter of being brainwashed or on the take. Shooter debunked his own thesis with his own link, but I couldn’t make Shooter see that. This Shooter doesn’t think like me at all, but I don’t want him booted. I think I’ve hijacked a few threads as much as he has. And then there the WTC *ins*d* j*b c*nsp*r*c* posters…
lol
Cleter 70 Thanks.
Carter was no saint when it came to campaigning. I ended up despising him, and voting for Anderson after spending four months on Mo’s field campaign.
Mo was such a wonderful man. He wasn’t the gifted politician that Bill C. is, but he was brilliant, genuine, and I loved him.
not sure if this campaign has been sent around yet but Color of Change (http://www.colorofchange.org ) is asking for help and all you have to do is sign on to an online letter campaign. Color of Change is an organization founded by Van Jones and friends for black americans and their allies in the wake of Katrina and they have been putting the pressure on for Censure and other causes we are working on – this would be a good time to return the favor by helping on this:
http://www.colorofchange.org/darfur
Since 2003, as many as 400,000 Black Africans have been killed and over 2 million have been driven from their homes, in what the UN has called the biggest humanitarian crisis in modern history. It’s genocide, plain and simple, but no one is doing what’s necessary to stop it. It’s time for Black Americans and our allies to take a stand against the genocide in Darfur.
Our voices should be among the loudest calling for an end to the mass murder of Black Africans, and, as citizens of the most powerful country in the world, we have a very real ability to make a difference. Speaking of the genocide in Rwanda, the late Senator Paul Simon said, “If every member of the House and Senate had received 100 letters from people back home saying we have to do something about Rwanda, when the crisis was first developing, then I think the response would have been different.” Those voices, coming from every corner of America, would have echoed in our leaders’ ears. Congress and, more importantly, the President would have been forced to act. It’s a tragedy that there were not 100 people in each district to speak up for the Rwandans who were being slaughtered in 1994. We can’t let a similar tragedy unfold today.
Let’s take advantage of the opportunity that we have: let’s get 100 people in each of the 435 districts in America to demand that our government stop dragging its feet and take decisive action to stop this genocide:
http://www.colorofchange.org/darfur
This week, the time is right to make our voices heard. Tens of thousands of people will march in Washington, on Sunday, April 30th, to demand that President Bush take the steps necessary to end the genocide and build a lasting peace. National media will be focused on the horrors of this genocide in a way they haven’t been since it began.
Now is the time to speak up. When we say enough is enough, it changes the political calculus, and it can force them to act. Let’s demand that our government take action which sends a powerful message to the international community, the government of Sudan, and, most importantly, to the people of Darfur: we will do everything in our power to end the genocide immediately and to establish long-lasting peace and justice for the region.
http://www.colorofchange.org/darfur
Thanks.
LisaDawn82 says:
April 24th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
Christy has been on vacation and will be returning tomorrow (?) or Wednesday.
GSD
I heard that exact same joke, from a New Hampshirite, only about Clinton.
New Hampshirian? New Hampshiroid? Help me out here.
I’m sure others here have already commented on the preznit’s foreign policy speech today in Cali, but I coudn’t resist repeating these awesomely profound lines:
“I base a lot of my foreign policy decisions on some things that I think are true,” he said. “One, I believe there’s an Almighty.”
In other words, God made me invade Iraq. I’m glad we know who to blame now.
The problem I see with Hillary Clinton is the same problem that seems to always crop up when Beltway politicians run for president… there’s always this sense of “You should vote for me because it’s My Turn.”
It’s not just a Democratic thing either. Bob Dole’s ‘96 presidential run just reeked of this syndrome.
angie,
If I’m not mistaken, the roots project is meant to engage folks from anywhere and everywhere. I know the Granite St. Senators are likely a lost cause…but let’s give em an earful anyway. Make em sweat a bit, force them to acknowledge the fact that they work for us!
Oh, Lord, Susan in Iowa. I hope you learned your lesson in that election, and didn’t vote for Nader later. Anderson was such a loser.
Mary #75 and orangejumpsuit #38: GW said that about Articles of Confederation? I must have had a bad history class about that part of US history. I missed the part about the foreign invasion that deposed the dictator and tried to set up a puppet continental government. And I missed the part all the hundreds of people tortued and killed all along the Eastern seabord every month in the 1780s in murky political violence. And all the money stolen and sent over seas. Yep, I better hit the books on that Articles of Confederation.
Hi lakedogz. Catching up & still reeling from Jane’s torture post and photo. Oh, and per Digby, guess what? We’re not only murderers and torturers in Iraq, we’re freakin slavers. @#$%^&*#@!!!!!!
cleter– we are now New Hamshers of the Left– at least in this house. ;) We asked every realtor we met when we moved here and nobody really knew what natives of the state are called…
I’m game Jay!
Cleter. I am pretty sure it originated with Udall. The rightwing recycled everything and threw it at The Clenis.
Actually, I think Bass is going to get voted out. I also think that John Sunnunu is someone who can be reasoned with.
Jugg Headd is a lost cause.
-GSD
I gotta scram, but lets try something soon.
cleter,
Not really sure what to call NH dwellers since I’m relatively new to NH, but you could do worse than Granite Stater.
GSD 73
He told that story on himself, too. He also identified the only cure for presidential ambition: embalming fluid. If you ever see his book in a second-hand store, it is full of gems like that.
Not to hijack a thread with the wayback machine…
What Jane says is right on. I’m trying to help the newbie doctor/politician who’s running against Tom Latham in IA 4. I keep communicating about the importance of blogs, Crashing the Gate, using the internet as part of the ground game. His name is Selden Spencer.
Jane– I’ve been out all day and just had a chance to read your last post, which you ended by saying, “…the biggest challenge facing Democrats right now is they are perceived as standing for nothing.”
I couldn’t agree more and said so in an earlier thread, which I’ve reposted here with quirky punctuation because I can’t seem to indent:
***
A couple of people have mentioned the dearth of Democratic leadership. But the truth is, we have the leaders. Kerry spoke at Faneuil Hall in Boston just last week. Murtha did an interview with a Pittsburg paper. Harry Reid made a statement. Howard Dean’s appeared on television, etc. etc. But it’s too fragmented to get the nation’s attention.
What I’d like to see is for all of them to get together and call a press conference. Let the country see a group of straight-talking, articulate Democrats actually take a stand for the truth. Demand that the White House tell the American people the truth about why we went to war in Iraq and demand that the Senate Intelligence Committee complete phase II of its investigation as promised two yerars ago.
They need to say it over and over: “The Democratic Party stands for telling the American people the truth. They deserve the truth and they’re not getting it.â€
I think the collective voices of Murtha, Kerry, Reid, Kennedy, Feingold, plus Patrick Murphy and some of the other DemVets, maybe Wesley Clark, would be very powerful. And, given last night’s story on CBS and the number of US casualties in Iraq this month alone (I think it’s 61 as of today), plus Bubble Boy’s I’m-the-Decider-moment last week, now’s the time to do it.
Make it a rebuttal to the Republican’s pathetic 5-point campaign strategy: “Make Wall Street happy?†How about telling the American people the truth?â€
***
The more I thought about it today, I thought why not? George Bush was re-elected in 2004 because the Republican party “owned” national security as an issue. The Democrats need to own telling the truth. Take a stand for truth and build a platform from there.
New Hampshirites.
New Hamsherites.
-GSD
Well, Anderson was a “loser” in the sense that he lost, but he wasn’t a bad person. He actually kind of opposed the fascist theocracy that the GOP has become. He was a kind of moderate Republican that no longer exists.
he won because he’s a great politician
That’s only half of it. He was also a great policymaker, and a good governor. He had missteps in the first two years, but after that, the only thing that got in his way were Republicans doing all they could to put up obstacles to his governing the country.
I have absolutely no faith that Hillary shares these qualities. The trouble is that people who do not have Bill Clinton’s ability to identify where the nation is on an issue (”safe, legal, rare” is one example) and respond to it, and do not have his ability to move the nation toward a position that’s in the interest of the country (the Mexican bailout) think that all they have to do to replicate his strategy is suck up to corporate interests. They don’t understand, at all. They’re looking for a formula, and there is no formula.
Reagan taking the walk in the woods. Johnson writing off the south for a generation in order to make black Americans full-fledged citizens. Kennedy rejecting the advice of Curtis Lemay and the majority of his advisers. Nixon going to China. Bush breaking his read my lips promise. That’s what leaders do.
Clinton was a leader. Most of our presidents in the 20th century, whether you agreed with them or not, were leaders. I look out across the potential candidates, and I see Feingold, and not anybody else, on either side of the aisle. Dean’s leadership qualities were so frightening to the establishment that his own party took him down, with a knife in the back.
For better or for worse, the netroots are the backbone of American principles right now. It’s an awful thing to have to say, but leadership is going to have to come from ordinary citizens who believe in American ideals and insist on their preservation.
Granite Stater is also appropriate.
Please feel free to pepper me with questions, not shotgun shot, about NH.
I have 40 years of useless information.
-GSD
Night all.
Caught the meaty part of Olberman- (I only watch the first twenty minutes). Good coverage of Clusterfuck’s 32% approval rating- and mention of Cheney’s 28.
This stuff is important for goopers. Many of them are “follow the leader” types. If they think that the whole country has blown Clusterfuck off- they will want to be with the “in” group. It starts to get VERY difficult for Clusterfuck to get out of the hole he’s dug for himself. He has two choices that I can see-
1) He does a makeover- gets rid of Ticky Dicky and Uncle RumDum- and says “Look at me- I’m a new man.
2) He stands pat and waits for a pitch that he can hit out of the park. In Clusterfuck’s case- that means that he’ll arrange for someone to float a fat one for him- he can’t hit major league pitching.
He’ll go for option two. So what’s the pitch?
Lisa Williamson aka “Sista Soulja”, Rutgers Class of 1986 — Rapper, Executive director of Sean “PDiddy” Combs’ “Daddy’s House” non-profit children’s organization, one of the founders of the 1999 Million Women March in Philadelphia
Third Party Politics is for later. Unfortunately, we aren’t there yet. The third man is a spoiler. Its a dem (even if its repug lite – bad) or more Bushco, Churchy plus State, Inc. (even more unabashed evil).
wesgpc – this may be how you missed it.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne…..-headlines
We Americans came not from a revolution but from an evolution.
That is in large part why our so-called revolution produced success while most throughout history did not. We came as much from the Magna Carta as from our own doings, as much from British common law and parliamentary development as from the Declaration of Independence and Continental Congress.
. . .
As Alexis de Tocqueville once said: “America is great because she is good. If America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”
In January 2001, with the inauguration of George W. Bush as president, America set on a path to cease being good; America became a revolutionary nation, a radical republic. If our country continues on this path, it will cease to be great – as happened to all great powers before it, without exception.
Props to Wilkerson.
To arms…
Sola Mia 85
It was Anderson or not at all that year. It was personal. I still don’t like Carter, good works and all. Nader; I don’t think so.
If american votes for Hillary- they’ll be getting Bill- this will soon become clear (”soon” meaning after the November elections.) We saw the preview at the King funeral. Bill doin the hard work and Hillary smiling and delivering in a cameo role. Make no mistake- Bill Clinton is runnin for president.
zennurse
glad you got ‘restored’
susan/iowa
I voted for your man is MA primary if that makes you feel any better. I agree. Intellect and personality.
(now, reading to catch up…)
Hillary’s candidacy gives the goopers the cold sweats- cause they’ve NEVER beaten Bill Clinton- NEVER- and he’s running again.
Hillary = Joementum in drag. Truly she is Exhibit A of everything that is wrongheaded, craven, inauthentic, cowardly, and big-fat-loserish about the current Democratic Party.
BK 104 I know he appreciated every single one.
Gotta go make dinner before anyone starves to death.
rwcole,
I’d be willing to bet the pitch is more fearmongering on the heels of a flurry of conveniently horrifying events.
After today’s Egyptian bombing, yesterday’s visit from the boogeym….errrr, Osama, et al. Many folks are bracing for something wicked from the cornered animals. I’m inclined to agree, buckle your chinstrap.
alittlemusicalityplease-
Wouldn’t it be great if the real leaders of the Democratic party – Feingold, Gore, Kerry maybe, Kennedy maybe, Reid maybe, even Pelosi, Clintons, etc., would get together in a smoke filled room and HONESTLY decide which of them would be the best torch bearer and actually start standing behind that person with all their hearts and energy? It would work, I think because the rest of us would stand behind that person too. And that person would be charged with speaking the truth and fighting this administration with all his or her might.
For the record, regardless of Kerry, Hillary etc., I will vote dem in 2006 no matter what. AND I will vote dem in 2008 no matter what.
I also promised myself that regardless of whether we win a part of Congress this fall or not, I shall continue to fight. To give up is not an obtion. My grandchildren need my best effort now and I hope to keep going.
And if we lose in 2008, we will raise our voices even louder. If the military Generals can raise their voices against all odds, can we do less to save our country?
To be honset, the only candidate I would put in “leader” category is Feingold.
There are others I would vote for too, but no others who took those kinds of stands when it seemed like the whole of the media and Congress and the Administration and the polls were against him, and in the end is emerging on the leading edge of the curve. All of the high profile with Hilary and Reid et al, but who pulled off the Patriot Act hold up in December? Some Wisconsin guy that cast the lone vote against it to start with? That’s when I paid attention. On NSA – a leader. On Iraq – a leader. On not listening to Carville and his palpaul – a leader. ;-)
The problem is not so much a lack of leaders as it is that the party pundits seems terrified of following a leader rather than following a Jokeline.
Everything anyone needs to know about the Roots Project and how to get involved is here:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..rassroots/
Thanks, Susan in Iowa. I feel better now! (Although I adore Jimmy even though he is a bit preachy.)
heads up, Jane – here comes another one of those rolling “best of/my favorite/list” memes that the big-league bloggers pass around from time to time: “people you wish had blogs”.
I like Feingold.
Anybody seen Warner? Is he any good?
Here are the last five polls on Clusterfuck:
Harris 35%
Pew 35%
Fox 33%
ARG 34%
CNN 32%
It ain’t a fluke- it’s a trend.
rwcole
you are SO going to owe me a pony. And not a crappy one, either.
ZENNURSE: Save this link in a folder on yur desktop.
http://byronmiller.typepad.com…..efox_.html
Grandma says: #110
Well said. Well said. I cannot quibble. When all is said and done, if it’s a choice between the “Big Dogette” and a Republican, I shall go with Hillary. But I won’t like it!
GrandmaJ 110-
You are one cool grandma. That’s the spirit that makes me proud to be an American (and I do get discouraged)….nothing left to do but fight. Thanks for that bit of inspiration.
rwcole #103: Well, then Cheney was running for president in 2000 and 2004. What’s the difference (setting aside the obvious difference between Cheney and more regular folk). Actually, Hillary much more competent than GW (it’s insulting to even suggest a comparison). Now that I think on it I’m not sure you are correct. Bill doesn’t “do” hard work, anyway, he just is what he is, and since when did he work or not work with a crowd around and didn’t crack a smile.
I decided I disagree, Mr. Safir… I mean, rw..
Mary, I agree about Feingold. I have a (very small) automatic payment every two weeks going to Progressive Patriots Fund because I love him so. But oddly, I was talking to someone the other day, and we were both ranting about the country, and he said that he didn’t know of a leader in the Democratic Party who was really worth being President. I said, I do – Feingold! And he said no, that he didn’t think Feingold spoke the way he needed to speak to be elected President. I was really dismayed by my friend’s attitude. I don’t know what it will take to shake people into reason. Honestly, what’s wrong with people?
Cleter- I don’t know- but he’s the guy I’m most interested in. He knows how to win in a red state. He overcame a huge budget problem as governor. If dems are looking for a winner- he MAY be the guy.
If goopers are looking for a winner- Romney may be the guy.
When the dust all settles, I wouldn’t be surprised to see these two duking it out.
Both have the ability to reach to the other side. After Clusterfuck- such a candidate may be the only hope of actually GOVERNING after elected- as congress will continue to be bitterly divided and neither party is likely to have much of a majority.
And that’s just fine. Once they wake up we’ll still be here, but by that time the parade may have passed them by.
Eventually, these consultants will be gone. Enough failures and the excuses about fever swamps and uncontrollable voters will ring hollow. Of course, they should ring hollow now, but people committed to a path tend to change slowly, and most Democratic politicians are committed to the path of least risk.
I just hope it doesn’t take too long.
Cleter- I’ve got an e-mail off to Abramoff to see if his clients are willing to donate a pony. I’ll keep ya updated.
Mary, zennurse, cleter, et. al. – Thanks to you guys, I’m now haunted by a mental image of Hermann Goering playing a polka on his accordian.
Dems are playin Woody Hayes football. Three yards and a cloud of dust- kick on third down.
It’s not very exciting- but it’s a smart way to play if you have the advantage.
Romney is NOT presidential timber. I’ve followed him from his start as MA guv and his chameleon-like politics have been completely transparent and frankly, embarassing. Not to mention his lack of toughness. No chance for the Mittster.
rw 103 – well, then Bill’s lost his touch. And if Hil’s just his puppet – wow, that’s insultingly sucktastic on several levels.
Y’know, from the stealing of the 2k election on, I’ve wondered why Bill Clinton hasn’t spoken out as an angry patriot at the destruction of our country. Instead he’s done the very opposite – given the murder monkey cover by love-festing with Poppy – fucking turns my stomach. Bill was an excellent republican president, but as far as I’m concerned, ever since he’s been a prominent enabler of the worst evil ever to befall this country, if only by his silence.
Compare and contrast with Al Gore.
rw, romney will be credited with the health care plan, too.
Jay- I don’t know him very well- but the “health care” success gives him a nice leg up- and he knows how to behave in blue states. His LDS credentials make him strong in the west. Not bad.
I’m glad Ned is getting props on the net. And, conversely for Lieberman there is ‘nedroots, nedroots everywhere and no Joementum to link’. Stumling and bumbling around in silouhette of his master, out-of-touch.
I’m proximate to the Hartford media market, so I’ll have a nice vantage view of this slo-mo takedown.
Zenn- two great minds an all that!
Bill was the best Republican president ever!
Jay, I agree. Romney is all smooth talk and lotsa money and good looks. Big Business mixed with big religion. He didn’t play that card as governor as much as I feared, but I’m betting he will as a pres candidate. He hates the Wind Project too.
For anyone who’s missed it,here’s the tail end of an outstanding post by Susan G
Democrats, take heed. It’s time to talk straight to the American people. The modern Republican Party can best be summed up as devoted to lying and spying while others do the dying.
All in the service of greed and bleed, of money and war
Have a look,its a good read.
Shark- Bill isn’t on my most favorite list either- but he’s a damned good politician- maybe the best in the US. It will be interesting to watch him work.
I heard him on NPR a couple of months ago- talking about energy. He had the whole thing NAILED- every fact and figure- every alternative- and an overview of the correct policy- all in about three minutes.
Face it- the guy is GOOD!
zennurse,
Did you see the Globe article immediately following the passage of the health care plan? It succinctly explained why that particular plan wouldn’t work and compared it to similar failed efforts in the past, described as much the same. I’ll see if I can find it.
I’m scared of Romney. I’m particularly afeared of a Romney-Jeb ticket.
Cujo said it in another thread, but it goes here too.
It’s pretty funny when people who don’t know us assume people who voted for the PATRIOT Act without reading it would speak for us.
This is what the Dems are not really getting. Right now, we have the gut wrench of Bush’s fascist state to make you choke back the things you want to say and go ahead with that 2006 vote. But by 2008 Bush is on his way out. If the Dems haven’t been speaking for me this whole time (in power or not – they can freakin well call a spade a spade and not a “question of whether the President acted in good faith†when he spat phlegm covered lies down our throats) then I don’t really give a rats ass by 2008 who the Dem candidate is. If its someone I really like, fine, if it’s not, I stay home or vote 3rd party or write in or just skip the offices like Pres where I have a choice between a Hagel or Hilary. I may do it in 2006, but if George is gone and the Dems won’t let me have someone who is WORTH voting for, well, people like me “poll†Dem all the time, but while some are coming late to the party, some are on their way out the door and just hanging on to be polite and say goodbye.
I remember after listening to Clinton for a few minutes- bright- articulate- forthcoming- and eager to be engaged—thinking- and we have this sorry son of a bitch in the White House who couldn’t be a towel boy to a debating team. Made me wannna run off the road.
Romney will find weasels ripping his flesh in South Carolina. You did see what happened to former Vietnam POW McCain, right?
Even if he gets a ‘plus’ for health care, some Rove-like intern will find 16 things to ‘frame’.
wesgpc @ 5:24 pm (#77) – It’d be nice if “shooter” actually read, comprehended, and discussed what we wrote, but I suppose if we kicked people off here for not doing that there wouldn’t be many left, and I probably wouldn’t be among them. He’s also a bit dismissive of opinions not congruent with his own, but once again he’s not terribly different from some of us in that regard.
Just wondering,is anyone paying attention to the telecom-net freedom issue?
Blank Kludge–
Whose weasels? Who do you think takes him out?
I’m voting for the Democrat in 2008 no matter what. Hillary makes me vomit lately, but I’ll vote for her over any of the fascist Republicans.
Sharkbabe says: #129
“Compare and contrast with Al Gore”
I’m sooo pissed with the Big Dog constantly and consistantly kissing the Bush ass. Where the hell is Bill when we need him!
Give me Gore…and give me liberty and liberation.
I promise you, Romney doesn’t have thick enough skin to survive on the national stage and I also don’t see him as real sharp on his feet. He’d be ok in a controlled environment (a la Shrubby) but he’ll get smoked in a debate with someone of Kerry’s caliber (a la Shrubby), although there aren’t many debaters as good as Kerry.
And what’s with all this polka dissing? Didn’t you people get the Weird Al Yankovic polka coolness memo? Anybody who hasn’t enjoyed “Papa Don’t Preach” as a polka hasn’t lived.
If the good Democrats of Connecticut send Lieberman to the showers Hillary will be toast as far as Presidential possibilities. A pro-war Democrat will not have a remote chance of winning the Democratic nomination in ‘08. I guess her advisers/consultants did not recognize something fundamental that was happening to the attitudes of the American people…
Are there going to be fair elections? That’s my main worry for 2006 and 2008.
No, Jay, I don’t read the Globe much, I’m embarrassed to say. I’d be very interested to read it.
Romney is as Right as they come with a different form of Christianity than Bush, but a rigid and limiting one, to be sure. He is antigay antiliberal anticitizen, neocon, and loves rich folks. He would make a terrible president and although repugs like him, I doubt he’ll get far.
Could we not use the showers metaphor?
I’m in Wolcott withdrawal again. He seems to post in flurries then have many silent days. It’s torture. I know this is OT, but I thought he might be around and hear me.
Nadar’s not going to despoil another election in 08 is he?
rwcole 125
It has come to my attention on the previous thread that ponies cannot actually subsist on yard waste and twigs, so I guess I’d be better off with the hybrid car. I think I’d prefer a Prius.
Mary @ 6:05 pm (#140) – Yes, that quote does seem relevant here. I hesitated to say this before for fear of starting another assbite-athon, but I voted for Andersen, I voted for Nader, and I’m perfectly happy to vote third-party again if I’m presented with two dreadful choices for President. Until they “get” the idea that, one way or another, “slightly less dreadful than the other guy” isn’t a winning campaign strategy, we’re going to be presented with that choice each time out. If they’re successful with that strategy, whatever the reason, they’ll try to repeat it.
cleter;
doesn’t matter really, does it. All I know is it’s a sure thing unless, for some strange reason, Mitt is ‘annointed’ by the same forces that got us the current regime.
I’m particularly afeared of a Romney-Jeb ticket.
cleter, one bright spot in this national nightmare is that post-chimp, the Bush brand will be absolute, total plutonium.
I agree that Bill Clinton was the best modern GOP President ever, a so-so conservative Democratic President. But he would make a truly historic first first man. There is no way he would do any heavy lifting policy wonk work when his main first man job was to schmooze and do happy talk. So Ms. H would be true President, ’cause Bill is just specially created for first first man duties. He would have been a historically great Parliamentary style ceremonial President, which I think is what the Presidential spouse has become. It would be a sight to see. Probably a few first first man scandals too, of some sort.
He might have a nervous breakdown with all the temptation… food and otherwise. Now that he has publicly reformed on several scores.
Lawrence Welk for President?????
I’m not a good pundit, but I bet on Hagel over Romney as getting the nod. Even Republicans are sick of this war and Hagel’s the only one making any of the right squeaker noises to catch the pups attention IMO (but I lose bets all the time).
“Until they “get†the idea that, one way or another, “slightly less dreadful than the other guy†isn’t a winning campaign strategy, we’re going to be presented with that choice each time out.”
‘cept with too many more Republican administrations, the word “until” may not be operative since elections will be gone (if we’re all still here). The fact is, the fascists are such disasters that looking for the ideal alternative isn’t an option.
Third party choice is easy here in MA. You can be sure the tally won’t be adverse to the Dem.
cleter says: #140
“I’m particularly afeared of a Romeny-Jeb ticket”
Yeah that’s a bad dream alright. Here’s another nightmare: McCain-Gingrich.
Shark- Yeah Clusterfuck has screwed up Jeb’s chances. Wonder how many times that has happened in their lives.
From Red State: They are taking up a collection:
Van Taylor is currently the only Iraq War Veteran running in a general election race against a Democrat. He’s not running against just any Democrat, he is running against Chet Edwards of Texas’s 17th Congressional District. Van Taylor could use an additional $10,000.00.
This is the President’s home district. We should help a Republican take it. Van Taylor is a veteran of the Iraq War.
snip
Sharkbabe
I hope so. But, I thought that after Bush 1.0’s humiliating loss to Clinton. I thought Poppy had polluted the family name with his one term loserdom, but I was wrong. Jeb is inexplicably popular in Florida.
Two words, Hillary: Iraq War.
Buh-bye, hon.
I don’t think any candidate who needs a “controlled environment” to do well will do well in 2008. GW Bush will be displaying that kind of behavior for the rest of the term, and the act is already in severe trouble. I think signs of needed protection from the reality thing, and interviews that involve promises of getting wise advisors to make up for miscellaneous brain and mind problems will kick up unplesant neurological aversion reflexes in voters.
And Jeb may not need a controlled environment. But I think he *looks* as if he did. Which will be a problem.
ccmask,
“Add $.06 to let them know the conservative online base is helping.”
LOL Now where have I seen that before?
In this morning’s LA Times, Arnold managed to get a leg on both sides of the fence issue:
So a wall would be both too little and too much. Now, why can’t Hilary be so nimble and light?
A major concern, what with Hil’s proclivities toward supporting the Iraq war: if Bush doesn’t bomb Iran to save his sorry tenure, will Hillary bomb Iran after being elected prez in ‘08?
Poppy was merely hapless. Not remotely comparable to this truly epic disaster. Mark my words, people will be spitting the name “Bush” with utter contempt a hundred years from now.
Jeb, who has been having sit ins in his FLA office lately?
zennurse,
I can ‘t find the original Globe critique of the MA Health Bill, but I did find an ever more detailed critique from RJ Eskow a couple of weeks back. Some similar points and worth a read with the caveat that he still needed to absorb some of the details:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..19066.html
Cleter – they fibbed to you. Ponies actually do best with nothing much more than twigs. I’d send you my pony, but I owe him to neurophius.
My pony has to wear a special $65.00 grazing muzzle to be on grass. As a pony is wont to do, he has long since figured out all aspects of muzzle removal and destruction (ponies are special ops of the equine world) and we go through them at frequent intervals. He also takes down fencing and explore the world (or at least portions of the township and County), opens gates (so others more fearful of the fencing can freely accompany him on his jaunts), chases dogs and small children and the occasional ATV or SUV if he has temporarily freed himself, bites and kicks the much bigger horses who live in fear of him, and needs special shoeing jobs to keep his feet from hurting when he does ditch his muzzle and get too much grass.
Or when I’m trying to disguise his hoofprint so that it does not resemble the one left in the new 250 diesel up the road or the new Lexus down the road. I may not have mentioned to neurophius that said pony is also blind in one eye (you don’t need blind horses for a one-eyed pony to be king), so if he decides not to take him after all, the pony’s all yours.
redstate says TX-17 is GWB ‘home’ district. I guess it depends on what the definition of ‘home’ is. His birthplace is New Haven, CT. So, maybe that $10,000 should be sent here:
http://www.house.gov/delauro/
District Office
59 Elm Street
New Haven, CT 06510
Phone: 203-562-3718
Fax: 203-772-2260
sola mia @ 6:20 pm (#163) – I’m not looking for “ideal”. I’m looking for “doesn’t stink up the room”. Bill Clinton, while effective in his own right, may have actually hastened the decline of the Democratic party as we see it now. The man certainly didn’t have long coattails, as the 1994 Congress found out. Even during 1996, he seems to have had very little influence on Congressional elections.
In spite of that, I’d vote for Clinton again if he were running for President. Clearly, I’m not that choosy.
Okla kiddo – major concern indeed. She is simply completely, totally awful on all things Middle East. Hell, she’s almost worse than Dipshit, which is saying something!
Can I just send .06 Coz?
Or maybe redstate should forward the $10k to Lamont!
I wonder what platform the Iraq Republican will be runnung on? The only Republican vet?
Poppy seemed “hapless”, however, he and the devious Bush machine has “served” for eight years as an integral part of Reagan and his trickledown ‘nomics. Then, his own four years of a thousand points of light and go fuck yourself, eight year semi-reprive with the centrist Clinton, and now the SOB for eight freakin years. Its a wrecking ball.
Can I just send .06 Coz?
Shall we? I’m serious.
You don’t state it explicitly, but the between-the-lines meaning of your piece seems to be that Hillary Clinton might, in her 2008 Presidential campaign, share the same sort of “go fuck yourself” resistance now being felt by Joe Lieberman in his Senate race.
You get the feeling that Joe had no idea he’d been pissing off Democrats.
Are you saying that Hillary is that much out-of-touch with the new realities being created by, for example, us folks here?
De Luxe low maintenence pony –
http://atrios.blogspot.com/200…..1934243376
new thread — Neil Young
Until one of these Dems gets beaten, no one will take this seriously. It always seems to be “almost”. Can we get Lieberman’s sorry ass out of there, please?
Harris 35%
Pew 35%
Fox 33%
ARG 34%
CNN 32%
it’s not a fluke it’s a trend
On the subject of polling, an interesting one is Rasmussen, which polls DAILY. It gives consistently higher numbers for Bush, which appears to be due to (1) throwing out the undecided so that the percentage who approve (and disapprove) show up as being higher percentages of the reduced whole (2) apparently using criteria for selecting respondents who tend to be more pro-Bush.
But in any case, it’s still interesting to watch the trend, if not the absolute number. It also allows you to see the famous “margin of error” in action as there’s quite a lot of day to day fluctuation. In any case, it hit an all-time low of 39% for 2 days last week and has now been at 40% for several days. It also breaks it down into “stongly” and “somewhat”.
http://www.rasmussenreports.co…..proval.htm
Rasmussen is virtually useless in my opinion. Especially lately. He’s doing state by state polling- and I suspect he oversamples the staes he’s interested in for the week- and shows skewed numbers for national quesions. He runs five to six points higher than the other polls- but there’s no consistency to it. He may be going up when everything else is going down. I check him out- but don’t have any faith in him. He’s also a big time gooper.
I’m just curious. Could Senator Clinton rehabilitate herself with you hillaryhaters if she were to, say, lead the fight to keep Bush from nuking Iran? Not that she would. Just a thought.
For those who think this nation has finally learned its lesson and turned its back on the likes of Bush, all I can say is maybe but maybe not. After Nixon and Watergate came Reagan and Bush one for twelve years. After Reagan, all those weird conservative ideas were finally and completely discredited, right? Except they returned on steroids with Bush two. The capacity of the American electorate to drink Koolaid is as limitless as its memory is limited.
N- she is just so fundamentally wrong on so many things that I can’t imagine what would change my mind.
N- p.s. an amendment against flag-burning? Does she not remember the Vietnam protests? Nutso. What focus group came up with this one???
I can’t get into the comments on the Neil Young thread. Is anybody else having that problem?
cleter — I bow to Mary’s superior knowledge of ponies, or at least her pony. Horses, in contrast, do not subsist on twigs; they subsist on checkbooks. I note, however, that her pony wears shoes — farrier bills, cleter — and Mary’s probably contributing to the college education of some equine vet’s kids. Ain’t no such thing as a free equine. On the other hand, a Prius requires gas (even if not so much as a non-hybrid) and it will never welcome nose kisses. For me, that makes the choice a no-brainer, which is why I have one car and thirteen horses. :>)
neurophius:
i can get in but not to the most recent comments (including one i sent)
neurophius:
i can get in but not to the most recent comments (including one i sent)
(but it isn’t showing. like the comments on the neil young thread……..)
The firedogs bark and the caravan moves on as the last empire jumps the shark and suffers through its very own suez crisis. With Rove on board this is actually more of a ’sewer’s crisis ‘ and the Turd Blossom special seems harder to kill than Rasputin for some reason.
Yes it’s ‘ weekend at Bernie’s’ for the Chimp and I think the waterski scene is just coming up.
Just one thought – politics is the natural selection of good idea’s and they are put forth by good leaders who show that in the heat of battle. So it’s Feingold – Boxer for mine…that’s if we are all not raptured in a nuclear winter before 08.
Roll on chimpeachment. Roll on RICO and roll on the final rendering to the Hague. Thank you and good night.
Bass understands and bears witness to something that many big megaphone media types who are busy buying into Hugh Hewitt’s atavistic notions of a “fever swamp” . . .
Lieberman shouldn’t let the door slam him on the *way out* :)