Comments on: Just the Facts, Ma’am http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:39:31 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: professor rat http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74587 professor rat Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:35:49 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74587 <p>If Fitz is playing a waiting game then it’s up to us to bring-it-on ( patent pending)<br /> We have to get pardons ruled out in writing so Fitz can strike like Thunderball.</p> <p>‘ Mr President, as a sign of your good faith efforts to bring this case to a conclusion when will you completely rule out pardons for all parties and put that commitment in writing’?</p> <p>‘ With respect, sir this is starting to look like a criminal cover-up ‘</p> If Fitz is playing a waiting game then it’s up to us to bring-it-on ( patent pending)
We have to get pardons ruled out in writing so Fitz can strike like Thunderball.

‘ Mr President, as a sign of your good faith efforts to bring this case to a conclusion when will you completely rule out pardons for all parties and put that commitment in writing’?

‘ With respect, sir this is starting to look like a criminal cover-up ‘

]]> By: Jane Hamsher http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74373 Jane Hamsher Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:32:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74373 <p>Jeff — I’m pretty sure right after Libby was indicted they said there was a grand jury already empaneled and Fitz would be using that one, not a Special Grand Jury dedicated to the CIA leak case. I’ll try to go back and look it up.</p> Jeff — I’m pretty sure right after Libby was indicted they said there was a grand jury already empaneled and Fitz would be using that one, not a Special Grand Jury dedicated to the CIA leak case. I’ll try to go back and look it up.

]]> By: Gene in DC http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74282 Gene in DC Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:05:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74282 <p>Dear Jane, </p> <p>I’ve been lurking for a while. Thought I’d chime in here briefly. I’d first like to say that I am a proud alum of the honorable Thurgood Marshalls’ law school. I’ve been practicing now for almost six years. I currently work at large firm here in DC.</p> <p>At work today, another attorney in the office (a right winger that seems willing to defend any action taken by BushCo) snidely stated that he had $100 that said Rove would not be indicted. He made this challenge in front of several of our colleagues, thinking perhaps he might score some points. He seemed a bit taken aback when I immediately walked over and extended my right had to accept his wager. He then said that he wanted to put a definite time limit on the wager, because he “want[ed] to be able to collect [his] money.†I let him off the hook at that point because as you stated in your post above, it could take two weeks, two years or anything in between given all of the moving parts at play here.</p> Dear Jane,

I’ve been lurking for a while. Thought I’d chime in here briefly. I’d first like to say that I am a proud alum of the honorable Thurgood Marshalls’ law school. I’ve been practicing now for almost six years. I currently work at large firm here in DC.

At work today, another attorney in the office (a right winger that seems willing to defend any action taken by BushCo) snidely stated that he had $100 that said Rove would not be indicted. He made this challenge in front of several of our colleagues, thinking perhaps he might score some points. He seemed a bit taken aback when I immediately walked over and extended my right had to accept his wager. He then said that he wanted to put a definite time limit on the wager, because he “want[ed] to be able to collect [his] money.†I let him off the hook at that point because as you stated in your post above, it could take two weeks, two years or anything in between given all of the moving parts at play here.

]]> By: Jeff http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74235 Jeff Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:17:47 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74235 <p><i>And they are a sitting grand jury, they could be meeting over any number of things.</i></p> <p>Jane - Are you sure about that? When The Note first reported that the grand jury was scheduled to meet, I got all excited, then got reminded that they could be hearing other cases, but then got a conflicting claim that in fact they were dedicated only to this case - whcih still doesn’t mean that they actually meet every time they are scheduled to. But I never got a clear answer on whether this grand jury was hearing other cases as well as this one or not.</p> <p>Fair enough on Shuster; compared to other cable news outlets, he may look pretty good.</p> <p>KM - I should have specified that Blumenthal was ignorant and foolish on the CIA leak case, not necessarily the other stuff.</p> <p>Swopa - I don’t know about the whole complex judgment, with the various tradeoffs, but there is no question in mind that Rove would flip - on Cheney - infinitely faster than Libby. That is, I don’t think Libby is going to flip on Cheney no way, no how, for two reasons, and it was a major mistake on Fitzgerald’s part if he ever thought he would. The two reasons: Libby’s loyalty of absolute intensity to Cheney; and the pardon that Bush and Cheney all but promised Libby on the day he was indicted and resigned.</p> And they are a sitting grand jury, they could be meeting over any number of things.

Jane – Are you sure about that? When The Note first reported that the grand jury was scheduled to meet, I got all excited, then got reminded that they could be hearing other cases, but then got a conflicting claim that in fact they were dedicated only to this case – whcih still doesn’t mean that they actually meet every time they are scheduled to. But I never got a clear answer on whether this grand jury was hearing other cases as well as this one or not.

Fair enough on Shuster; compared to other cable news outlets, he may look pretty good.

KM – I should have specified that Blumenthal was ignorant and foolish on the CIA leak case, not necessarily the other stuff.

Swopa – I don’t know about the whole complex judgment, with the various tradeoffs, but there is no question in mind that Rove would flip – on Cheney – infinitely faster than Libby. That is, I don’t think Libby is going to flip on Cheney no way, no how, for two reasons, and it was a major mistake on Fitzgerald’s part if he ever thought he would. The two reasons: Libby’s loyalty of absolute intensity to Cheney; and the pardon that Bush and Cheney all but promised Libby on the day he was indicted and resigned.

]]> By: Beware The Man » For Mom http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74229 Beware The Man » For Mom Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:11:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74229 <p>[…] Anyone who has been following this story knows that Jane (an attorney) at firedoglake.com has this story down to the details as well as any "mainstream" journalist, with apologies to David Shuster of MSNBC, who has to do it on TV, and is thereby limited in terms of what he can do. […]</p> […] Anyone who has been following this story knows that Jane (an attorney) at firedoglake.com has this story down to the details as well as any "mainstream" journalist, with apologies to David Shuster of MSNBC, who has to do it on TV, and is thereby limited in terms of what he can do. […]

]]> By: antonetteg http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74211 antonetteg Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:41:08 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74211 <p>swopa:<br /> I had the same thought about whether adding an indictment against Rove, setting up a prisoner’s dilemna, might actually work very well for fitz.<br /> now that he’s freed up from the ryan stuff, it seems like indicting rove–and perhaps even others?–would help in the overall case.</p> <p>divide and conquer and all</p> swopa:
I had the same thought about whether adding an indictment against Rove, setting up a prisoner’s dilemna, might actually work very well for fitz.
now that he’s freed up from the ryan stuff, it seems like indicting rove–and perhaps even others?–would help in the overall case.

divide and conquer and all

]]> By: l http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74199 l Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:23:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74199 <p>Troll who also goes by the name of “Kathy.”</p> Troll who also goes by the name of “Kathy.”

]]> By: Patrick J. Fitzgerald http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74194 Patrick J. Fitzgerald Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:14:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74194 <p>#54 - within 10 days…</p> #54 – within 10 days…

]]> By: BarbaraB http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74151 BarbaraB Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:02:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74151 <p>Hi Agave — I de-lurked a couple of days ago. You can come on in; the water’s fine. On Katherine Harris and that nice young man: the surprising thing is that she wasn’t leading with her improbable boobs. Angels and ministers of grace, defend us; don’t let her implode until it’s too late for anyone else to file.</p> Hi Agave — I de-lurked a couple of days ago. You can come on in; the water’s fine. On Katherine Harris and that nice young man: the surprising thing is that she wasn’t leading with her improbable boobs. Angels and ministers of grace, defend us; don’t let her implode until it’s too late for anyone else to file.

]]> By: margaret http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74139 margaret Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:44:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/just-the-facts-maam/#comment-74139 <p>After reading Jane’s post and the commments, here, it is obvious that the thoughtful and insightful perspective of a real lawyer like Christy is sorely missed. Her word has real authority, and if she is only on vacation, I’ll sit it out til she comes back. If she isn’t coming back……over to emptywheel who matches Christy in intellect and depth of thought.</p> After reading Jane’s post and the commments, here, it is obvious that the thoughtful and insightful perspective of a real lawyer like Christy is sorely missed. Her word has real authority, and if she is only on vacation, I’ll sit it out til she comes back. If she isn’t coming back……over to emptywheel who matches Christy in intellect and depth of thought.

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