Comments on: China’s Hu Comes to America http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:30:17 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: kpinvt http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-75063 kpinvt Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:50:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-75063 <p>Gannon was sneaking in. I thought he was a plant who could throw softballs to get Scotty out of a jam.</p> Gannon was sneaking in. I thought he was a plant who could throw softballs to get Scotty out of a jam.

]]> By: TSop http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74349 TSop Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:14:34 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74349 <p>Hu looked like the King of the World. Chimpy McBushwhack looked like…well, Chimpy McBushwhack. Shameful.</p> Hu looked like the King of the World. Chimpy McBushwhack looked like…well, Chimpy McBushwhack. Shameful.

]]> By: chicago tom http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74274 chicago tom Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:57:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74274 <p>JANE: QUESTION ABOUT THIS, FROM ONE ATTY TO ANOTHER — good point that you usually can’t call and impeach your own witness but what if you call them as an “adverse” or hostile witness? A defense tactic is to ALWAYS find someone else to blame. Of course, this makes no sense when you are charged with lying. Do you get discovery on that witness? </p> <p>But can a def go to the prosecutor and say: “I want the dirt on witness X because I plan to call them adversely for whatever reason (they did it, or they ordered me to lie). </p> <p>THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE: </p> <p>He’s gone out of his way to say who he would not be calling, and put Libby in the position of having to call these witnesses himself. Rove is one of those people. When Team Libby then argued that they were entitled to anything Fitzgerald had about Rove, Fitzgerald countered by saying that they should not be allowed to fish through his files for information with which to impeach their own witness.</p> JANE: QUESTION ABOUT THIS, FROM ONE ATTY TO ANOTHER — good point that you usually can’t call and impeach your own witness but what if you call them as an “adverse” or hostile witness? A defense tactic is to ALWAYS find someone else to blame. Of course, this makes no sense when you are charged with lying. Do you get discovery on that witness?

But can a def go to the prosecutor and say: “I want the dirt on witness X because I plan to call them adversely for whatever reason (they did it, or they ordered me to lie).

THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE:

He’s gone out of his way to say who he would not be calling, and put Libby in the position of having to call these witnesses himself. Rove is one of those people. When Team Libby then argued that they were entitled to anything Fitzgerald had about Rove, Fitzgerald countered by saying that they should not be allowed to fish through his files for information with which to impeach their own witness.

]]> By: mui http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74272 mui Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:55:09 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74272 <p><i> The United States has defended Taiwan in one form or another since 1948. Now its Taipei’s turn to help the United States. In the first deal of its kind, the Pentagon is planning to buy 300 million 5.56-millimeter rifle bullets for an estimated $62.5 million.</i><br /> Came across an old despicable Washington Times article that says Taiwan is being “rewarded†for the deal with a huge “comprehensive arms deal†to fight off “threats†from China. Actually, the reality is that Taiwan may actually be paying for the upkeep of the U.S. “defense.†More dollar diplomacy . . .</p> The United States has defended Taiwan in one form or another since 1948. Now its Taipei’s turn to help the United States. In the first deal of its kind, the Pentagon is planning to buy 300 million 5.56-millimeter rifle bullets for an estimated $62.5 million.
Came across an old despicable Washington Times article that says Taiwan is being “rewarded†for the deal with a huge “comprehensive arms deal†to fight off “threats†from China. Actually, the reality is that Taiwan may actually be paying for the upkeep of the U.S. “defense.†More dollar diplomacy . . .

]]> By: mui http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74249 mui Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:30:06 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74249 <p>Contd. I actually softened my friend’s language up considerably and he’s not even mainland Chinese. There’s nothing funny, humorous or even remotely comparable to Bush I’s visit to Japan. Chimpy’s reception of the president of China was an unmitigated disaster with many possible outcomes and repercussions. And let me emphasize, the Chinese did not *hate* Americans before this. There are lots of diverging opinions and some antiWestern anger but nothing approaching that of Iran, and the rest of the middle east.</p> Contd. I actually softened my friend’s language up considerably and he’s not even mainland Chinese. There’s nothing funny, humorous or even remotely comparable to Bush I’s visit to Japan. Chimpy’s reception of the president of China was an unmitigated disaster with many possible outcomes and repercussions. And let me emphasize, the Chinese did not *hate* Americans before this. There are lots of diverging opinions and some antiWestern anger but nothing approaching that of Iran, and the rest of the middle east.

]]> By: mui http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74232 mui Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:14:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74232 <p>I just spoke to a friend in Taiwan. It was disturbing. Here is my friend’s take. Mainlanders who watched the debacle on TV are likely to become fired-up, since nationalism is on the rise. The preznit’s behavior will be seen as a humiliating insult. Prediction: relations with Taiwan and China will be very tense as a result of the frat-boy-in-chief’s “prank†to the point of irreparable for some time, and the Chinese will find the Americans despicable.</p> <p>More rumors: The Bush administration has coerced Taiwan into selling high-tech bullets at a fraction of the cost, and Taiwan is complying because they did not want to send troops to Iraq for good reasons. To sum it up, Taiwanese taxpayers may be subsidizing Bush’s “adventure†in Iraq at no choice of their own.</p> I just spoke to a friend in Taiwan. It was disturbing. Here is my friend’s take. Mainlanders who watched the debacle on TV are likely to become fired-up, since nationalism is on the rise. The preznit’s behavior will be seen as a humiliating insult. Prediction: relations with Taiwan and China will be very tense as a result of the frat-boy-in-chief’s “prank†to the point of irreparable for some time, and the Chinese will find the Americans despicable.

More rumors: The Bush administration has coerced Taiwan into selling high-tech bullets at a fraction of the cost, and Taiwan is complying because they did not want to send troops to Iraq for good reasons. To sum it up, Taiwanese taxpayers may be subsidizing Bush’s “adventure†in Iraq at no choice of their own.

]]> By: That American Chap http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74074 That American Chap Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:44:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74074 <p>“Bush asked President Hu to “expand Chinese consumption of U.S. goods, enforce intellectual property rights, and allow freedom to assemble, speak and worship,” but he might as well have belched into the breeze.”</p> <p>This reminds me of the pathetic trip that Bush senior took to Japan in 1992, joined by the heads of American car companies. They went there to *plead* with the Japanese to buy shoddily built American cars that were too large to drive in Japanese environs, too expensive to afford and built with their steering wheels on the wrong side for Japanese drivers. Oh, and then Bush Sr. threw up on the Prime Minister during dinner…</p> <p>Needless to say, the Japanese didn’t exactly start throwing money at their competitors in the auto industry and I think we can safely say that the Chinese aren’t going to stop taking the money that short-sighted American corporations have thrown at them. Jesus, our national motto ought to be “Take the money and run” because that sure as hell has been our history.</p> “Bush asked President Hu to “expand Chinese consumption of U.S. goods, enforce intellectual property rights, and allow freedom to assemble, speak and worship,” but he might as well have belched into the breeze.”

This reminds me of the pathetic trip that Bush senior took to Japan in 1992, joined by the heads of American car companies. They went there to *plead* with the Japanese to buy shoddily built American cars that were too large to drive in Japanese environs, too expensive to afford and built with their steering wheels on the wrong side for Japanese drivers. Oh, and then Bush Sr. threw up on the Prime Minister during dinner…

Needless to say, the Japanese didn’t exactly start throwing money at their competitors in the auto industry and I think we can safely say that the Chinese aren’t going to stop taking the money that short-sighted American corporations have thrown at them. Jesus, our national motto ought to be “Take the money and run” because that sure as hell has been our history.

]]> By: Evil Dr. Puma http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74034 Evil Dr. Puma Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:13:02 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74034 <p>Blub:<br /> I completely agree with your refusal to allow arithmetic to determine moral credibility. For any official or agent of the American federal government to utter a single word about the human rights record of any other nation is almost laughable at this point in our history. That is to say, it <i>might</i> be laughable if it weren’t contemptible.</p> Blub:
I completely agree with your refusal to allow arithmetic to determine moral credibility. For any official or agent of the American federal government to utter a single word about the human rights record of any other nation is almost laughable at this point in our history. That is to say, it might be laughable if it weren’t contemptible.

]]> By: kurotenshi http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74013 kurotenshi Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:53:18 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74013 <p>This is getting very embarrassing.</p> This is getting very embarrassing.

]]> By: orangejumpsuit http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74012 orangejumpsuit Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:53:09 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/21/chinas-hu-comes-to-america/#comment-74012 <p>Blub, 75</p> <p>Excellent insight in your post. After Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, trampling on habeas corpus, extraordinary renditions, and black sites, preaching to China on human rights is the pot calling the kettle black. Now with unwarranted wiretaps, we are doing what the KGB was famous for, only they lacked the sophisticated technology.</p> <p>When we don’t have our morals and principles straight, in due time we become like the enemy. Sometimes the main difference between the prisoner and the jailer is that the jailer has the key.</p> Blub, 75

Excellent insight in your post. After Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, trampling on habeas corpus, extraordinary renditions, and black sites, preaching to China on human rights is the pot calling the kettle black. Now with unwarranted wiretaps, we are doing what the KGB was famous for, only they lacked the sophisticated technology.

When we don’t have our morals and principles straight, in due time we become like the enemy. Sometimes the main difference between the prisoner and the jailer is that the jailer has the key.

]]>