
(guest blog by Taylor Marsh)
As Josh Marshall said very early this morning, "where are the new faces?" Matt Stoller talks about the fake shake-up, with Jesse Berney adding his take too. The bottom line is that all this talk about White House changes so far is more about moving familiar players around, without anything dramatic being delivered from The Decider.
Frankly, I've got my doubts about Rove's "demotion." For me, Bush and Rove will be tied at the hip until the latter leaves freely or by force. The bottom line is that Deadeye is still there. Donald Rumsfeld isn't going anywhere, at least not yet, with Rove in full campaign mode, where he always does the most damage to Democrats. Remember, a cornered animal is always most dangerous: Rove's perceived demotion, his power perceived as usurped, with him back on the campaign trail where he can give us fits, is where we now find Rove, with something to prove at this point. His president has plummeted, with investigations looming in the not too distant future if he fails. The president and Karl Rove are in "survival mode."
On that score, many people who know the administration best are privately dubious. Presidents, more than chiefs of staff, determine how White Houses operate, they said, noting that Bush has shown that he prefers a tight circle of advisers and does not welcome the advice of outsiders. As Bush put it on Monday, in asserting that he would not fire Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, "I'm the decider, and I decide what's best."
Rove's return to a role that closely mirrors that which he played in Bush's first term demonstrates how much this White House has now shifted to survival mode -- and how far events have pushed the president from the grand ambitions with which he opened his second term just 15 months ago.
Then, with Rove as the animating force, the president sought to engineer Republican political dominance by remaking government with such far-reaching initiatives as his plan to remake the Social Security program. Today, Social Security stands as Exhibit A of what went wrong domestically in 2005.
However, something else popped up today that really piqued my interest. Scotty's ticked.
Evidently, McClellan doesn't like what went down over the Plame affair and isn't happy with some of the happenings inside the White House inner circle. Specifically, having to eat Libby's dirt and Karl's crap over the misinformation Scotty was sent out to spread regarding Valerie Plame. This bit of information is positively dishy delicious.
In any event, McClellan apparently has let it be known that he is a little dissatisfied with some people himself. In a later segment on "Dayside," Texas author Wayne Slater, author of Bush's Brain, was interviewed about the news that Karl Rove would no longer be a policy adviser to Bush.
Instead of confining himself to that topic, Slater went off onto McClellan, who also is from Texas, saying, "I know for a fact back here in Texas from talking to members of the McClellan family that they weren’t very happy about what happened when Scott was sent out, they believe by Rove and Libby, to say that Rove and Libby had nothing to do with the Valerie Plame affair when in fact they were involved in some capacity. ... He felt that damaged his credibility. You aren’t going to hear Scott talk about that, but that’s fact."
Why telling a lie about something like that would bother McClellan when he has told so many others is beyond me, except for the fact of that little old grand jury investigating pending out there. Was McClellan participating in the cover-up and is he under suspicion for that? Inquiring minds want to know whether Bush just wanted to remove another potential indictee from his inner circle.
Slater, who wrote Bush's Brain has something else to say on the Rove front. He disagrees that it's not a big deal. According to Slater, who knows the terrain by heart, the fact that Rove isn't handling policy matters anymore is a definite power "loss." As for how that shakes out for Democrats, I'd say Mr. Rove is likely to take his fury out on us. Scorched earth, circa 2006, here we come.
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Hi Taylor.
I think the Rove thing may be the only real move in the package- the rest is cover. When he gets indicted- he will already have been gutted.
Goopers need Rove for one more election- and GW Clusterfuck ain’t runnin- so Rover can do it from anywhere. After November- he’s totally expendable.
Hi Taylor,
welcome back and thanks for the post (I’ll go back and fully digest it in a sec) Question for you -
Am trying to find a Military Blog that is current, there are many on your blogroll, but can’t seem to pick the most updated one.
would really like to be able to check in with the uniformed folks, hear what they’re saying etc. - can you steer me to one ? thanks
The part about McClellan is kind of a “Well, duh!” moment. Rove and Libby sent him out to blatantly lie–either knowingly or unknowingly–about their roles in the Plame affair. During a federal investigation, no less. That’s obstruction of justice, isn’t it? Any chance that Scotty could be facing charges?
I heard McClellan say his goodbye’s on radio this morning. Just from his voice, he sounded either very very hurt, or very very angry, hard to tell which. None of his diplomatic words rang true at all from inflections and tone of his voice.
Once the dust has settled a bit- we may hear Rover say that since he is no longer doin policy stuff- and since he is the brain behind the 06 congressional elections- it is more logical for him to be housed at the RNC.
This, of course, will be announced as Karl’s decision. Clusterfuck’ll do the “rockin chairs” speech- and Rove will be gone- just before the word hits the street that he’s been indicted.
Clusterfuck will be saved from having to ask for his resignation and pissing of the bat shit crazies.
There’s really no reason for a president who can’t run for re-election to have a political guy around. Rover’s toast.
Cue Tom Petty’s Freefallin’.
Fox News, of all places, with a chimptastic 33% J.A.R. for El Clusterfucko.
http://www.foxnews.com/project.....se_web.pdf
Silly graphics included.
http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/georgie.htm
-GSD
rwcole -
A Fitz indictment of Rove tomorrow would just be SO FINE!
A shake up would probably be more helpful to Bush than his opposition otherwise Bush continues to fail further hurting all but insuring their demise, unfortunately were also tied to their demise.
Fitzy goodness!
Taylor in the house!
I hate having to work instead of reading FDL!
Fox with 33% JAR- not too surprising- when Gallup is pulling 36s ya know the truth is a few points south of there. 33% is probably about right- and watch out for Pew and some of the non- Bush suckers- we may see a 29 soon. At that point- all hell will break lose. Goopers will accuse him of molesting their children.
Sharkbabe says:
“I hate having to work instead of reading FDL!”
______
Ain’t THAT the truth. Sitting here getting MEGO running Medicare hospitalization payment error rate data. Aggghhhh!!!!!
If Fitz indicts Rove soon, I’ll have to get a wireless FDL neural implant.
No replacement for McLellan?
Perhaps the White House will simply try to do without…
by the way, any word on the overdue
Social Security Trustees report?
rwcole - You know, I can’t tell you how much I hope you’re right. I’m so hopeful about Rove getting indicted that I really have to check myself and re-check when writing about him, because I truly believe he’s up to his eyeballs in the Plame imbroglio. Again, I so hope you’re right.
Morning cbl and all - As for military blogs, here are a couple that stay current. Others don’t you’re right:
http://www.blackfive.net/main/
http://www.indepundit.com/
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/
The second one is known as “Citizen Smash.” There are quite a few milblogs on the right hand margin over there. You might want to check a few out. If you find any new ones, let me know.
As for Dem milblogs…
http://optruth.org/index.php
also consider:
http://www.windsofchange.net/
For general national/homeland security:
http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/
I hate having to play golf instead of reading FDL.
(sorry workers- couldn’t resist)
Taylor- sure looks as if it’s comin to me- the tea leaves are all turnin up with the same story. I think this whole White House Cleaning is cover for it.
Golf?
Hmmmm..m.m.m…lessee, you pay thousands for good gear, hundreds for a decent round…
and the object of this game is to do LESS of it?
Man, I’d be shootin’ 80 — on every hole.
Rove indictment in September would be good for the midterms- but it looks as if it’s comin sooner- MUCH sooner.
It’s time for a Turdblossom Indictment pool.
Put me down for April 28th.
Grand jury to hear rove indictments.
This may have something to do with Rove’s “demotion”
Flusterfuck would be more losterer without the homeboys. Little prick needs his daily circlejerk.
Bobby—Thousands for good gear?
Well you pay about a thousand for a decent set of sticks- and then thousands replacing em when ya get pissed at em.
I belong to a decent (but not spectacular) club- so I pay for my torture by the month.
Getting Rove put away won’t entirely solve the problem: like a mob capo he would still call in the political hits from his jail cell.
Never did I believe that Bush would ever hit the under 30 range for JAR. Who do we think is leaving him? Certainly not the fundies. Business? Nah, they are getting too many no-bid contracts. Unfortunately, I fear that the taint of Bush will not smear off on the other republicans. They will be running totally on the local issues this time around. No ‘contract for America’. Just “I can bring you pork better than the next guy, and I know we are bad, but the dem guy is too, so there” kind of campaign.
GSD
Okay that animation is trippin’ me out. You can even move him around…
i’m just saying….
rwcole -
It’s gonna be soon. I just got this feeling. September would unleash an eardrum splitting collective Gooper howl of “abusive partisan attempt to undermine the election.” Fitz is wrapping up all the pieces. Rover will be headlining shortly.
Grandma–”not smear off”
That could be- we aren’t seeing the movement yet in the scattered polls about specific races. Goopers will treat Clusterfuck as an aberration. Dems are already way pissed off at all goopers- it comes down to independants and whether they transfer the sins of the father to the many sons and enablers.
Dems haven’t hit the “enabler” label hard yet- but we’ll see it come October.
Bobby- yep– days not months.
GSD-
That fling the ClusterFuck game is great fun! I want to collect the whole set. Trade you a Rove for a Condi?
jb
After Rover- who’s next? Hadley? That’s my bet. I don’t think Andy will get off without a little whacking either.
My birthday is the 23rd so maybe Fitz will give me my first present. And an indictment is what I always wanted.
Hi, Taylor — a small edit> piqued your interest, not peaked. I’m sure your interest, like ours, just keeps risin’ and risin’.
And an OT question — Divine? Strake? What’s that name about? What’s a little blasphemy amid GWOT, eh?
Thanks, Taylor, for this post. There’s no job more important in W’s WH right now that preserving the GOP majority in both houses of Congress. Denying subpoena power to the Democrats is “job one.” There will be no policy initiatives this year, although the USA may get an October Surprise.
So, Rove’s been given the most important task. And he can focus on it completely.
This theory discounts Fitz; I imagine W and Rove are in complete denial about Plamegate. Given that they have no power over him, it’s probably their default.
I have to say, before I spent any time here, I was worried about the 2006 elections. I don’t anymore, my guess is that rather than losing seats, Republicans will gain in both houses. The capacity for self-delusion, while simultaneously substituting cults of personality pro and con for consideration of real issues is sobering. Can you folks see anything past possible legal consequences for the folks you love to hate? It’s like watching a roomful of children being promised a pony if they’ll just do what they are told.
One would think for instance that the visit of China’s leader might lead to discussions of economics, human rights, or their role in the nuclearization of Iran. But for some reason you people are fixated on what a former press guy might or might not think in regards to Rove and Rummy. Am I missing something here? Is there a real live adult discussion going on behind the scenes that I’ve somehow missed?
PSunshine - Oy and duh. Fixed.
Rwcole:
“After Rover- who’s next? Hadley? That’s my bet. I don’t think Andy will get off without a little whacking either.”
I agree. But I hope (more than expect) that he also zaps “dead-eye” Dick.
Sort of OT, but how weird is it that they had no replacement ready to step onto the stage when they tossed Scotty off the plane?
Folks:
Should we indulge shooter242 or is it just a waste of our time?
sonate-
The policy here is we don’t feed the trolls.
shooter
This is the “dance on the gooper’s graves”. For a serious discussion of the foreign policy implications of the Chinese visit- go to “Peking Lame Duck R US”
“I’m the decider, and I decide what’s best.”
Really, Georgie…I thought the American people were the decider(s).
Whaddya do with a decider who has a 33% and falling JAR?
I’m predicting that Rove won’t get indicted, but his increased visibility in the investigation will make him want to be less visible in the administration. I think that Rove has more tricks up his sleeve to try and stave off an indictment. It doesn’t appear that greymail will work, but I’m sure they are working on something.
peace,
jim
Who are the goopers goin ta nominate for Decider nest time around?
re transferance of Bush stench:
Madge says “hey GOP: you’re soaking in it”
Jim– I think Rove’s toast- pass the marmalade.
Marine corp band warming up for a chorus of “Hail to the Decider”.
I think Josh Marshall ponders a very interesting questions …
I’ve been scratching my head trying to come up with one. But, evidently there have been some responses … Talking Points Memo
Given that Scott McClellan so obviously lied when discussing other issues, why should we believe he was misled by Rove and Libby?
McClellan was a CIA leak grand jury witness, after all, and very possibly faces legal jeopardy of his own for misleading Fitz. I think the “Rove and Libby lied to me” float is a ruse, like everything else, to contain the damage of the leak conspiracy.
We would be suckers to take it at face value.
Bush policies? How bout Tee Ball? Well I guess even that one isn’t as popular as it once was.
mommybrain 38
…when they tossed Scotty off the plane…
desaparascotto’d over open waters - just like in Argentina
Taylor,
This is do or die for the Neo-Confederate/neo-Con wing of the Republican Party. A little more than a year ago, they were talking about the “permanant Republican majority”. Unfettered power, the death of the Democrats. They have seen their gravy train–in the name of Casino Jack Abramoff derailed. They have had their chief legislative bully, Dirty Delay, buried in a pile of his own ethical feces. Their figure head is now victim of his own machinations. Once seen as a firm leader, he is now seen as a stubborn jack-ass..mired in low poll ratings, an economy shaken and stirred by a housing bubble and ultra high gas prices, failed initiatives, international scorn, domestic loathing and friend to money and enemy of the working man.
The Republicans,under Rove’s oil and blood soaked tutelage will open the sewers, unlock the sanatariums, and call upon Sauron and the army of Orcs to bring hellfire and damnation upon the Democrats and anyone who dares challenge them.
We saw the hat tip with the recent–blatantly false–Latino radio attacks accusing the Democrats of pushing for felonizing illegal immigrants. Howard Dean and Harry Reid have joined to beat this one back. Huzzah!
They will muddy the waters with ethics charges so that they can claim–Everyone is corrupt..Forgetting that they rode to power on a “clean up the barn” white horse.
Look at the lunacy that passes for right wing radio–Rummy calling Generals tools of Al Qaeda–Malkin exposing college students to death threats–Michael Savage(the vox populi man for Bush advisor Dan Bartlett) calling for the ELIMINATION of 100’s of millions of Muslims. Rover with his set-up claiming that “some areas of America are like Third World Dictatorships” when it comes to fair elections. Even Delay, after stepping down unleashed his Brooks Brothers Brownshirts to ruin a press conference by Nick Lampson.
Having set the table by mainstreaming fascism now they are preparing to carve up the bird of democracy.
They are paving the way for a parade of venom, vitriol and viciousness like has never been seen before.
Because their very political lives depend on maintaining the dark shadows and lack of scrutiny they have enjoyed for 6 years.
Hold onto your hats kids, fill some sandbags and get ready for a fight for the Republic…it is coming. Let’s hope that Dr. Dean has sufficiently battened down the 50 state hatches and let’s hope the troops will hear the trumpets call.
-GSD
Has GW Clusterfuck teed up the first ball for the season yet fer the rich little white kids?
Josh Marshall also asked this question:
This is more a retreat to the bosom of the Harriet Miers Brigade than it is a serious reorg. God help whatever GOP dissidents and honest conservatives these people unleash their wrath upon.
I keep hoping against hope that the White House showed McClellan the door because they didn’t want him fielding questions about what I really, really hope are many indictments of administration officials.
http://people-press.org/report.....portID=275
Link to new Pew report- Clusterfuck at 35% according to Pew. Lowest rating since 1992 for the gooper party. Goopers in deep doo doo according to the poll.
GSD gets it right in #53. Thanks for reminding me about the sandbags. I think that they will really work the voter suppression techniques this fall as well as the sliming. What are other’s guesses for the favored Republican techniques to save the majority this fall?
I hate to work instead of read Fdl, so I’m standing here at the lectern, giving make-up tests and quizzes to student athletes and others who’ve missed a test date, while my assistant grades ‘em as they get handed in, reading fdl posts the whole time….
Corrine:
Could be that Snotty just threw up his hands and said “I QUIT!”
… I said “could”
:-)
this is brilliant - i found it at the end of the stateproject post by David Swanson -
Gooper techniques?
Frist has already announced that he will be bringing flag burning- gay matrimony- and abortion constraints up for votes this session.
They’ve gotta get the whackos pissed off or it’s curtains.
Rwcole:
“Who are the goopers goin ta nominate for Decider nest time around?”
Hastert for Decider — 2006
I want to see all democrat spokespeople all the time - on TV, radio, wherever - when asked about Rove’s “demotion,” to connect the word SMEAR to his name. Make it known that we know that he’s the “smear king” and we will call SMEAR in every campaign that even looks like his hand (or another republican smear artist) is in it.
I wanna hear “this (whatever) stinks of Karl Rove smear tactics” or republican smear tactics.
I’m so tired of democrats just laying down for this stuff and arguing on the merits - there are no merits to these kinds of bought-and-paid-for dirty tricks and whisper campaigns.
“Republicans can’t win on the merits - they have to lie and smear their opponents.”
hungrycoyote#49 - Does the Medicare “reform” package qualify? It becomes less and less popular as time goes on and folks realize it actually costs them more, in some cases, to use Medicare for prescription drugs.
(And by the way, hungrycoyote, is that you been eatin’ my chickens? Stop now ;-)
Golfing is the best sport, IMO.
Except for that hole with the windmill.
It’s still unclear to me whether rover will keep security clearance or not. With that (and who’s to know for sure?!), irregardless of whether he successfully dodges Fitz’s net, we should probably expect filthy campaigning beyond our wildest dreams this year and beyond.
The nastiest, most dangerous fighters are those who are wounded/cornered/desperately out of options. This gang fits the bill. I fear there’s nothing they, AND those who depend on access to them & their power, wouldn’t try.
Stay on your toes, folks, & keep fighting for “safe”, reliable voting, if there is such a thing any more.
ever—Well- ta be fair- Goopers didn’t INVENT the smear campaign- that would be some Athenian. There’s good reason for em- they work.
Turns out that the swiftboating of Kerry- for example- was actually a replay of a smearing he got from a dem in a past primary battle.
I’ll take any Fitz action - preferable Rove AND Cheney simultaneously - bt now and May 19. It’s a Friday, and I go Hawaii (and in ‘Five-O’birthday).
aside: Wasn’t ‘Mulholland Drive’ about ‘death freefall’?
Nick Nolte?
OK — WATB = ‘What About THe Baby’, maybe?
and why is Brady ‘Church Lady’?
Thanks to all at FDL. First in Fitz. (If it came to pass, I have TM on ‘Decider Indicter’)
Punaise, missed you.
Maybe there were Snakes on the Plane!
Pew=Deep doo-doo.
-GSD
We were talking at lunch today about what Bush’s poll numbers will be when he is in the middle of his impeachment. Anyone want to try to guess?
Hmm- if Anyone knows what Mulholland Drive was about- please post it here.
It’s my favorite movie that I don’t understand.
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There are probably legal considerations to posting PDF content from created from other sources, so this is assumed to be a mechanism for creating PDF’s for one’s own reference.
Cheers,
Sometimes I think way too many hopes and aspirations being placed on Patrick Fitzgerald.
Many people seem convinced that Mr. Fitzgerald will single handedly swoop down in a cape and tights and rescue us from this vile and corrupt administration. “Look! Up in the sky. It’s our savior!”
Most things I’ve read lead me to believe that Mr. Fitzgerald is an honorable man, an incredibly smart man, a careful and thorough man, and a tremendously hard worker. He apparently also commands a prosecution team that is worthy of great respect. All this could be true or it could be just so much hype. I don’t know because I don’t personally know Mr. Fitzgerald.
But I do know this. If even half of what has been written about Mr. Fitzgerald is true, then it’s not his job to deliver us from evil. It’s not his task to bring down this administration (even as badly as I believe it deserves to be brought down). It’s simply his job to determine if crimes were committed and prosecute the offenders - nothing more. And that, in and of itself, will be extremely difficult,
Thousands of crimes go unprosecuted each year because the prosecutors are simply unable to develop enough evidence to yield a solid case. Coverups are often successful. And we should also note that the principle players here all have multimillion dollar legal defense ‘dream teams’.
So while Mr. Fitzgerald may eventually be able to sort this all out and successfully prosecute those who deserve to be prosecuted, there is no guarantee of success. And there are many reasons to believe such prosecutions would be difficult if not impossible (For example, if Mr. Fitzgerald were to determine that Bush himself committed a crime, a sitting president cannot be prosecuted. Or, for players who are not the president, there is a distinct possibility of a pardon by the president.)
Therefore, it would be prudent for the rest of us to consider alternative strategies if, despite the best best efforts of Mr. Fitzgerald and team, this investigation should collapse. I’m not saying it will. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t be putting all our eggs in Mr. Fitzgerald’s basket, however much we respect him.
-x-
typo — “AS in …B’day.”
GSD 53 - Rethug lashing out, kind of like this from d r i f t g l a s s - from the end of a long post:
…Expect trench warfare…as the stalling and obfuscating and rear-guard cover-up actions by Quislings like Pat Roberts to get hotter and angrier.
Expect the Swiftboating to be cranked up to a hitherto unimagined level.
Expect terror-alerts every seven minutes.
…
So as they scramble for the lifeboats while simultaneously declaring that anyone who says the ship is taking on water is a traitor, expect Republican rhetoric to get very wild and very ugly indeed over the next six months.
Bush claims he invented the I-Pod. Not really, but that is the spin I will put on this story.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/0.....oped-ipod/
Also, for a Party that claims to hate government, they appear to be willing to do anything and everything to maintain control of the hated beast.
-GSD
hi mommybrain 71!
(back to lurking)
# 75: I agree. Does the centrist Democratic establishment agree? Providing a small target and providing opponents enough rope to hang themselves is not quite the same as doing nothing. I am glad to see recent more aggressive pushback against GOP immigration reform lies. I think there should be *some* political strategy re *some* aspect of Bush national security and/or foreign policy fiascos as well.
“Therefore, it would be prudent for the rest of us to consider alternative strategies if, despite the best best efforts of Mr. Fitzgerald and team, this investigation should collapse. I’m not saying it will. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t be putting all our eggs in Mr. Fitzgerald’s basket, however much we respect him.”
rwcole 74
Mulholland Drive was (IIRC) sorta like ‘Chinatown’.
Corruption leads to ‘unexplained’ death.
Nick Nolte as (world weary, but dedicated and effective detective).
Turns out vic was ‘lady of ill repute’ who knew too much and was ’shut up’. Hard landing out of plane.
DAY 1,028 AND THE KILLING GOES ON!!
rwcole,
I think you are right as rain about Rove ultimately endin’ up at the RNC and you are equally correct in your speculation about his ability to completely contaminate the election from anywhere outside of a jail cell. After all, this is Armageddon for the fascists and all of their policies (economic, domestic, forgeign policy, political process) are based on the understanding that structural failure of policy serves their interests…so even if they fail they win as long as they hold power. Which is to say that Rove will be free to create political civil war and so infect politics in November that the fascists hold onto one house of congress even at the expense of destroying the continued viability of BOTH parties.
IMO, Fitz hasta indict the Rover and the Democrats hafta take the gloves off and go after the Republican Party before Rove is given the room to set the agenda for November.
We are at the endgame here…these folks are comin outta the closet in full SS uniform.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER GOD IS WATCHIN’ AND SHE’S PISSED!!
#70 watb is “whiney ass titty baby” and church lady…SNL Dana Carvey character known for “Isn’t that special?” and the superiority dance.
Truthfully, why use Rove as a policy advisor when his real talent is as a political strategist (hack). The White House is simply acknowledging this well-known fact. Additionally, Republicans realize that standing on ceremony and titles won’t win the upcoming elections. The change is simply about expediency. While I enjoy thinking he’s getting a bit of a spanking, I don’t buy it.
Bush is trying to demonstrate to Republicans up for reelection that he has their backs and is moving to help get them reelected…and how better to demonstrate that than getting Karl Rove focused on a strategy for the Party. The architect hasn’t been cast aside as a lowly carpenter…he’s being asked to build something out of nothing…and he’s pretty darn good at that.
read more observations here:
www.thoughttheater.com
love the pic– his hand is demonstrating his IQ , his credibility and soon to be his JAR.
I’m pretty much with you Ed (75)(and there are so few people, M or FM, that I really want to see in lycra tights*g*) but it has been a pretty amazing effort to get it as far as its gone. For me, the whole Plame/Spec Pros/Niger investigation and issues has been a lot like the jigsaw puzzle in the hosptial waiting room. I can focus and even over focus and it helps take your mind off other things, but I know I’m going to come and go and never really take it from start to finish, and there are going to be pieces missing, and pieces from other puzzles mixed in, and the most you really hope for is that it gives you something for focus.
I guess, too, if a part of what you want is to see some actual punishment it is more rewarding to watch. I’m pretty neutral on that - it would be nice to see the people involve ante up publically to the things they have done, but lots of those things are not a part of the suit and no one on the list of probables seems to have any penitent genes, so I don’t hope for much, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think that they are doing a nice job with the prosecution.
OT-
I’m also still wondering a bit on the GJ. How is it that Fitzgerald breezed through with only Jason (and Blumenthal) knowing?
Matt below thread 88 re: SC and parties - thumbs up;
GSD two threads below 52 (Marcel Marceau) *G* I guess we’re hoping that Fitzgerald is working on “the box” for his mime-alist leaking?
Dru 83…
OK. The Dana Carver character also was ‘Could it be SATAN?!” iirc. But what’s the connect to Brady? Or is it justified scorn and derision on general principle?
Thank you.
BobbyG #13 -
I’ll have to get a wireless FDL neural implant.
Do you know where I can get one of those?
Remember that Suskind article on DiIulio (sp?) that ran years ago? When he sat outside Rove’s office he overheard him screaming about some infraction against him: “we’ll fuck him like he’s never been fucked”. This is a mean, black-hearted bastard who looks exactly like the sneak he is. Like the fat-faced suck-up in school in everyone’s memory who ratted out anyone he could to achieve some semblance of what passes for dominance in his mind.
Blank Kludge #81
“Mulholland Falls,” I think. “Mulholland Drive” was the David Lynch flashback murder flick.
Happy Days are not here again? No more Shake Your Booty at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? I think Scotty took his boom box and took the party with him. :(
By the way, have we ever thought of a James Jeffords Psychic award?
There is a man who saw exactly where the Republican Party was going under the corrupt influence of the Boy Chimp and his Svengali of Deception.
Talk about a man of principle and integrity.
-GSD
Silly me. I thought you were genuine and actually looked for “Peking Lame Duck R USâ€.
So let’s look at the bit of info I’ve been given that does seem real, “dance on the gooper’s gravesâ€. Is there anything to this group past that? Are there any positive points to be talked about? What do liberals have to offer, and are you folks up to talking about your views of the world?
Regarding sonate and cathy, if you want to avoid controversy by calling it trolldom, so be it. But then I have to ask who is living in the bubble? While my post certainly demonstrates frustration, it hrdly rise to the level of troll. No one was personally attacked, nor was any bad language used. If complaint is more than you folks care to deal with, I can respect that and leave you to our own devices. Any response?
Norske:
“IMO, Fitz hasta indict the Rover and the Democrats hafta take the gloves off and go after the Republican Party before Rove is given the room to set the agenda for November.
How right you are!! Now….do you think that will happen, or do you think that the Dems will disassemble into numerous clones of Schumer cowering in the corner?
W. Timberman 90–
Thank you. I stand corrected. ahhh…the benefits of fact checking…
I also wonder why Rove should maintain his security clearance if he’s only involved in the political aspect.
I also can’t figure out if he’d be in violation of the Hatch Act. I would think that he’d be in violation of it’s not being permissable to: “engage in political activity while: on duty, in a government office…”
http://www.osc.gov/hatchact.htm
I’ve also thought that Condolezza Rice was cutting it close on some of her speeches before the 2004 election.
Anne
Jim Preston at #59: What will Rove do in this election?
Let’s see, planting bugs in his own offices, stealing laptops (if a dem laptop gets stolen, they will report a republican one stolen (see both parties are dirty). He is going to throw mud bigtime to cover the the stinking hyde of republicans. So all dem campaigns should be alerted to keep all laptops with them personally, and have a strategy in place for responding to robo calls, false leaflets to homes, and mostly voter supression.
And be ready to contest any where a candidate thinks something bad has gone down. fitht back.
Blank K.#87, I think this might have been the beginning:
http://firedoglake.blogspot.co.....ahhhh.html
mommybrain - I don’t think so. Is anybody really happy with that? Except the people in that cherry-picked audience?
The only thing I could think of was when Bush took office and sent us all that Refund check. But, then again, though I appreciated receiving the check, considering the state of the national budget today, that wasn’t exactly a good idea either.
I found Josh’s question intriguing because when it comes down to it … no wonder the poll numbers are so low for Bush. Can anyone name one thing that he has done in office that has had a lasting, positive impact and reaction? Perhaps, that will be his legacy. The President that Never Accomplished One Positve Thing.
(I’m innocent! ;-) I never saw your chickens.)
P.S. re wanting to read FDL instead of working — Lara Croft had a device in Tomb Raider (yea I am a fan — who knew) like a telephone headset with a pull down mini-screen in front of one of her eyes and she could see a computer screen. All the while fighting the badguys. Great huh?
In the mindset of truth, I have 8 old Tomb Raider games that I used to play all the time. But they won’t play on my new setup. Darn.
James Jeffords Psychic award?
I think it would either have to be a ccmask award, or ccmask wins the first round. ;)
Below thread OZ: I go with growly “better things to do with my time than serve” Cheney as the lion, Bush as the Scarecrow, and Gonzales “let me smile through the torture descirptions and josh with then Gov Bush over the DP weekend fry-s” for the tinman. Add in Rove as the wicked witch and the Republican Congress as the flying monkies.
Unfortunately, the only one I can think of for the red slippers is Feingold and I don’t think he’d like that casting - but Jane & Christie might work. Besides, I’d love to see them throw a bucket of water on Rove, just to see what happens.
Perhaps we should discuss how Bill Clintons penis has left the nation in such a pickle 6 long years after his departure.
-GSD
Work is the curse of the FDL-reading class.
The old refund check. Because the government was doing so well that they felt the need to return our money to us!
But then that was shoved down the memory hole and we were reminded that Bush was handed a “damaged economy” in the throes of a recession.
Who could forget.
-GSD
for all the numbered shooters out there who want more substantive discussion and connection of FDL obsessions with rest of real world:
Apparently US has not, and is not now even considering having direct talks with Iran since last offer was rebuffed. Unless something back door and secret is going on. So, why should we trust BushCo that military option will be last resort, when one of the first resorts (direct talks) is not being used, and apparently will not be resorted to? That is why a post on the fake up shake up in WH is interesting to me. This is evidence that the advertised shake up really is a fake up: nothing substantive will change.
Maybe worthy of an FDL post?
Here is link, via Talkingpointsmemo post today:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c.....008657.php
rwcole 74: watch it in a different order. The movie breaks pretty cleanly in half, I think at the blue-box moment (it’s been a while, but I think it’s there), and they’re chronologically in the wrong order. Start right after the “blue-box” moment, through to the end (I think the end, but maybe not the final scene, it’s been a while so I’ve forgotten)–that’s what actually happens. Then watch the beginning to the blue-box as a dream / nightmare inspired by the events.
Ed n Sted @ 75
Sometimes I think way too many hopes and aspirations being placed on Patrick Fitzgerald.
Remember, Watergate started when an office building security guard noticed tape placed on a door to keep the bolt from seating in the latch. (Of course, they put it on cross ways, so that the tape was visibile on the front of the closed door.)
We don’t need Mr. Fitzgerald to unveil the government as criminal enterprise crowd. He only needs to pull the loose thread that will cause the filthy raiment of the GOP to fall away, like Toto pulling on the curtain in the chamber of the great Oz.
Dru 90…
ahh…NOW I get it…thanks so much (I was even here when that went up…shoulda known)
and that character does seem to reflect an accurate image of “gosh…such vile language on our blog’ and the way he disdains Jane and FDL is like the ’superiority’ attitude (not to mention the underhandedness of the way Jane was ‘allowed’ to respond when she did that ‘interactive’ thingie about ‘bloggians and ethics’)
I got yer Columbo putdown right here, Brady!
Cheeers. (from another Jane Hamsher of the left)
addy: ‘Fevered Swamp’ of FDL
OK. End-Rant
ohhh…just one more thing. I see/read this ‘Not So Much’ all over the place on a variety of topics. When/where did this particular phrase originate.
I’ve actually already done a google to no avail; don’t mean to be a WATB, but if anyone has an idea…
Now that I have a little time (and a really fast connection and computer)…. I wanted to post something like this last night, but the time delay on typing was just tooooo annoying). Anyhoo…..
This is a general comment regarding Fitz’ investigation. Too many people read way too much into the acts, and perhaps more importantly the effects, of the machinations by the Chimpministration and its supporters.
The vast majority of Americans are not Plamologists. But as we shall see, that is not necessarily a bad thing. A majority of American’s however do believe, even though they are not Plamologists, that the Chimpministration did something wrong, most likely illegal, that a senior Chimpmin staffer is on trial and that other senior members of the Chimpministration are under investigation: They know a serious Federal trial and ongoing investigation is taking place. AND THAT IS ENOUGH.
The vast majority of Americans obviously don’t rely on the CM to tell them how to think, cause if they did, then most likely polling would show very different numbers for the Chimpmin.
No amount of spin by the Chimpmin. and its shills is going to change that perception. Most people look at the “big” story, they don’t look at the lacunae or care about them. Most people also think that if someone is indicted or investigated that the people indicted or investigated are guilty of something. Presumption of innocence? Not in this country - doesn’t really exist, even at a trial.
Then there is the issue of whether the shills and and their spin will someohow effect the investigation and/or trial. Won’t happen.
With respect to any “hard” evidence, the only assumption to make is that Fitz has originals or copies of all documents and communications (other than those that have been withheld, but even then, you never know). Thus to alter or create new documents is just foolhardy. Fitz seemed to know that he didn’t get all the emails, didn’t he. So the idea that somehow, some altered or created new evidence is somehow going to appear and “save” any of the assh