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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-73448</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt; Rhode Island has the worst Bush Approval Rating in the nation. How can this weasel have a chance?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately? Local news covered regional races. Some working class guy: â€œthe name Chaffee is *gold*â€&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Rhode Island has the worst Bush Approval Rating in the nation. How can this weasel have a chance?</i><br />
Unfortunately? Local news covered regional races. Some working class guy: â€œthe name Chaffee is *gold*â€</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-73447</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cntd.Maybe we progressives need to take some courses from some truly hardened advertising veterans so we donâ€™t all sound like John Kerry to the general public. *Sigh* No offense to John Kerry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cntd.Maybe we progressives need to take some courses from some truly hardened advertising veterans so we donâ€™t all sound like John Kerry to the general public. *Sigh* No offense to John Kerry.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-73446</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What really bothers me about the NARALs is that the Joe Liebermans consistently point to those endorsements etc. as â€œproofâ€ of their â€œrecord.â€ And meanwhile there is some more progressive candidate that is getting short shrift from these groups. That is egregious. Trying to explain that to people can be difficult; especially since some peopleâ€”potential voters– are prone to get this â€œglazeâ€ when something is too involved. How can we combat this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really bothers me about the NARALs is that the Joe Liebermans consistently point to those endorsements etc. as â€œproofâ€ of their â€œrecord.â€ And meanwhile there is some more progressive candidate that is getting short shrift from these groups. That is egregious. Trying to explain that to people can be difficult; especially since some peopleâ€”potential voters– are prone to get this â€œglazeâ€ when something is too involved. How can we combat this?</p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-72776</link>
		<dc:creator>AA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll stay with the pittance I normally give the Sierra Club.  They’re an extreme-centrist environmental group. They did get targeted by the right gaming their very open election system, and  came perilously close to getting captured. That would have been a major (or at least significant) loss to the country, assuming we still have a country, which I take as a working hypothesis.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll stay with the pittance I normally give the Sierra Club.  They’re an extreme-centrist environmental group. They did get targeted by the right gaming their very open election system, and  came perilously close to getting captured. That would have been a major (or at least significant) loss to the country, assuming we still have a country, which I take as a working hypothesis.</p>
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		<title>By: SD Coaster</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-72731</link>
		<dc:creator>SD Coaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First, I want to clarify my personal position. We had a recent split decision on an endorsement here.  I argued the same position as Kos and others.  I said that given the current situation in DC, if John Muir himself was running as a republican, I would not support him (and that is on tape).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Second, in defense of the RI and National political committees, there are two sides to this issue.  As one poster noted, the Sierra Club is a small-d organization.  No one person made this decision, and I am sure there were some lively discussions and some lost sleep before it was resolved.  While it was not what I would have decided, I respect the decision, because I understand and respect the process that the club uses to make these decisions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Third, it is irresponsible for Kos and FDL to repeat media talking points without checking them out, and it is grossly irresponsible for FDL to make the groundless and unsupported assertion that the Sierra Club wants the republicans in power so we will get more donations.  Try telling that to all the California Sierra Club members I know who rode busses to Nevada to walk precincts for Kerry in 04, and walked and phoned for Busby in CA50 this year. Tell it to the thousands of Sierra Club volunteers who give up evenings and weekends to work on environmental and political campaigns.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Take a look around the Sierra Club web site, learn what we do and how we do it, and then get out your checkbook.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I want to clarify my personal position. We had a recent split decision on an endorsement here.  I argued the same position as Kos and others.  I said that given the current situation in DC, if John Muir himself was running as a republican, I would not support him (and that is on tape).</p>
<p>Second, in defense of the RI and National political committees, there are two sides to this issue.  As one poster noted, the Sierra Club is a small-d organization.  No one person made this decision, and I am sure there were some lively discussions and some lost sleep before it was resolved.  While it was not what I would have decided, I respect the decision, because I understand and respect the process that the club uses to make these decisions.</p>
<p>Third, it is irresponsible for Kos and FDL to repeat media talking points without checking them out, and it is grossly irresponsible for FDL to make the groundless and unsupported assertion that the Sierra Club wants the republicans in power so we will get more donations.  Try telling that to all the California Sierra Club members I know who rode busses to Nevada to walk precincts for Kerry in 04, and walked and phoned for Busby in CA50 this year. Tell it to the thousands of Sierra Club volunteers who give up evenings and weekends to work on environmental and political campaigns.  </p>
<p>Take a look around the Sierra Club web site, learn what we do and how we do it, and then get out your checkbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Charon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-72722</link>
		<dc:creator>Charon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;obsessed says above: “Why keep a guy with a 90% environmental environmental record when you can replace him with a guy with a 100% environmental voting record?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chafee got a 90% last year. Know what? So did Cantwell. And Boxer. I’m not supporting the Sierra Club on this one, and wrote them about it. But I am pretty pissed at the people trashing the SC over this (even more at dKos than here, actually). It’s one endorsement, and not a clearcut case. CTG and big-tent ideas tell me I’m supposed to support Cantwell despite CAFTA, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War resolution, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So why on earth are so many of you dropping Sierra Club memberships because of one endorsement?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obsessed says above: “Why keep a guy with a 90% environmental environmental record when you can replace him with a guy with a 100% environmental voting record?”</p>
<p>Chafee got a 90% last year. Know what? So did Cantwell. And Boxer. I’m not supporting the Sierra Club on this one, and wrote them about it. But I am pretty pissed at the people trashing the SC over this (even more at dKos than here, actually). It’s one endorsement, and not a clearcut case. CTG and big-tent ideas tell me I’m supposed to support Cantwell despite CAFTA, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War resolution, etc.</p>
<p>So why on earth are so many of you dropping Sierra Club memberships because of one endorsement?</p>
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		<title>By: jayackroyd</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-72658</link>
		<dc:creator>jayackroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SD Coaster–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nobody, especially longstanding members like my family, is &lt;i&gt;sy[m]pathetic to mindless and ill-informed bashing of the Sierra Club&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nonetheless, the CTG argument has to be dealt with.  In the current political realm it is not at all clear that people like Chafee are SC friends.  Votes on single issues may well be in line with SC recommendations, but the overall effect of having a republican in office in THIS Senate, with THIS House and THIS President is not necessarily serving SC’s membership. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you need to address this issue directly and forthrightly. Explain to your membership why they are better served by a Republican who will support commmitee chairs hostile to SC positions, whose voting pattern will be less in line with SC positions than a Dem challenger, and who has voted to confirm Supreme Court justices actively hostile to environmental issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If this were a fight between an environmentalist republican and a corporate interest democrat, I’d be on board. But the democratic challenger in RI is likely to be more environmentally sound than Chafee, and will also vote for democratic leadership.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t get it.  I think CTG is right here.  Can you explain why this argument is wrong?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD Coaster–</p>
<p>Nobody, especially longstanding members like my family, is <i>sy[m]pathetic to mindless and ill-informed bashing of the Sierra Club</i></p>
<p>Nonetheless, the CTG argument has to be dealt with.  In the current political realm it is not at all clear that people like Chafee are SC friends.  Votes on single issues may well be in line with SC recommendations, but the overall effect of having a republican in office in THIS Senate, with THIS House and THIS President is not necessarily serving SC’s membership. </p>
<p>I think you need to address this issue directly and forthrightly. Explain to your membership why they are better served by a Republican who will support commmitee chairs hostile to SC positions, whose voting pattern will be less in line with SC positions than a Dem challenger, and who has voted to confirm Supreme Court justices actively hostile to environmental issues.</p>
<p>If this were a fight between an environmentalist republican and a corporate interest democrat, I’d be on board. But the democratic challenger in RI is likely to be more environmentally sound than Chafee, and will also vote for democratic leadership.</p>
<p>I don’t get it.  I think CTG is right here.  Can you explain why this argument is wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: margaret</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-72606</link>
		<dc:creator>margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Off the subject, but where is Christy? I miss her take on the CIA leak, and her thoughtful writing about everything else.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off the subject, but where is Christy? I miss her take on the CIA leak, and her thoughtful writing about everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-72580</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey this is the reply I got from Sierra Club. She says that the 20 percent figure is wrong. Take a look at the rating figures she puts up:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Neal,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for contacting the Sierra Club regarding our recent&lt;br /&gt;
endorsement&lt;br /&gt;
of Senator Chafee.  The Sierra Club Political Committee (SCPC) is the&lt;br /&gt;
political action committee through which Sierra Club endorses and&lt;br /&gt;
supports&lt;br /&gt;
candidates for office. The goal of the SCPC is to elect Democratic,&lt;br /&gt;
Republican and Independent pro-environment candidates to the U.S.&lt;br /&gt;
Senate&lt;br /&gt;
and House.  Our goal is a pro-environment majority.   The Sierra Club&lt;br /&gt;
is a&lt;br /&gt;
nonpartisan organization that endorses candidates of any party if they&lt;br /&gt;
meet&lt;br /&gt;
our criteriaÃ¢â‚¬â€which does not include party affiliation.  ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s true&lt;br /&gt;
that&lt;br /&gt;
weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve endorsed a lot of Democrats, but itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s because in recent&lt;br /&gt;
history, they&lt;br /&gt;
tend to generally have better environmental records.  We are extremely&lt;br /&gt;
pleased to support Republican candidates with good environmental&lt;br /&gt;
records.&lt;br /&gt;
In this case Senator Chafee has one of the best environmental records&lt;br /&gt;
of&lt;br /&gt;
any Senator of any party.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For more information on the Sierra Club Political Committee, please&lt;br /&gt;
contact:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jonathan Ela, Chair&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:jonathan.ela@sierraclub.org&quot;&gt;jonathan.ela@sierraclub.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Information on the activity of the Sierra Club Political Committee is&lt;br /&gt;
available on-line at:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sierraclub.org/politics/&quot;&gt;http://www.sierraclub.org/politics/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We don’t list or post the recipients of political contributions on our&lt;br /&gt;
website but this information is reported to and regulated by the&lt;br /&gt;
Federal&lt;br /&gt;
Elections Commission. The Sierra Club is a nonprofit 501(c)(4)&lt;br /&gt;
organization.  (c)(4) money does get used to communicate with members&lt;br /&gt;
in&lt;br /&gt;
Rhode Island encouraging them to support Chafee.  The FEC website&lt;br /&gt;
features&lt;br /&gt;
FEC filings, receipt and distribution information for political action&lt;br /&gt;
committees, candidates and campaigns.  Please feel free to contact them&lt;br /&gt;
at:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fec.gov/&quot;&gt;http://www.fec.gov/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The real strength of the Sierra Club is mobilizing our members in Rhode&lt;br /&gt;
Island as well as informing voters in the pro-environment majority of&lt;br /&gt;
RI&lt;br /&gt;
about Senator Chafee’s record of protecting our families’ clean air,&lt;br /&gt;
clean&lt;br /&gt;
water and special places.  The Sierra Club takes many factors into&lt;br /&gt;
account,&lt;br /&gt;
but mainly our endorsement is based on the candidateÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s overall&lt;br /&gt;
environmental record and platform.  The number for a 20% approval&lt;br /&gt;
rating is&lt;br /&gt;
inaccurate.  We use the League of Conservation Voters.  Chafee did have&lt;br /&gt;
a&lt;br /&gt;
50% in 2004, he currently has a 90%.  2004 was a year with very few&lt;br /&gt;
environmental votes.  Their record is measured by their history of&lt;br /&gt;
public&lt;br /&gt;
service, public statements, responses in Club interviews and&lt;br /&gt;
questionnaires.  Chafee’s accurate LCV numbers are:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;109th, 1st Session (2005) 90%&lt;br /&gt;
108th Congress (2003-2004) 72%&lt;br /&gt;
107th Congress (2001-2002) 68%&lt;br /&gt;
106th Congress (1999-2000) 100%&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Sierra Club takes its endorsements very seriously.  In order to&lt;br /&gt;
ensure&lt;br /&gt;
that we have a fair process that results in a mutually beneficial&lt;br /&gt;
endorsement, we often consider several candidates for endorsement.&lt;br /&gt;
While&lt;br /&gt;
Senator Chafee clearly is an environmental leader, we believe our&lt;br /&gt;
endorsement carries more weight and credibility when we can say that we&lt;br /&gt;
have carefully looked at the candidates before making our decision.&lt;br /&gt;
Senator Chafee has an excellent environmental record.  He has voted to&lt;br /&gt;
protect clean air-he was the deciding vote to stop Bush’s Clear Skies&lt;br /&gt;
plan&lt;br /&gt;
which would have gutted the Clean Air Act.  He is a leader on&lt;br /&gt;
protecting&lt;br /&gt;
the Endangered Species act.  He protected Clean Air laws again by being&lt;br /&gt;
the&lt;br /&gt;
deciding vote to stop a plan to build more oil refineries without&lt;br /&gt;
environmental protections.  He is a leader on global warming on energy&lt;br /&gt;
issues.  Senator Chafee has been there for the environment when the&lt;br /&gt;
environment needed him the most.  We cannot take party affiliation into&lt;br /&gt;
account when someone who has been a loyal friend to the environment&lt;br /&gt;
needs&lt;br /&gt;
our support.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hopefully this will help answer some of your questions and clarify why&lt;br /&gt;
the&lt;br /&gt;
Sierra Club has chosen to support Senator Chafee.  Please let us know&lt;br /&gt;
if&lt;br /&gt;
you have any additional questions or concerns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Explore, Enjoy and Protect the Planet.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best Regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tammy Erwin&lt;br /&gt;
Sierra Club Information&lt;br /&gt;
(Please include this email in your reply)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey this is the reply I got from Sierra Club. She says that the 20 percent figure is wrong. Take a look at the rating figures she puts up:</p>
<p>Neal,</p>
<p>Thank you for contacting the Sierra Club regarding our recent<br />
endorsement<br />
of Senator Chafee.  The Sierra Club Political Committee (SCPC) is the<br />
political action committee through which Sierra Club endorses and<br />
supports<br />
candidates for office. The goal of the SCPC is to elect Democratic,<br />
Republican and Independent pro-environment candidates to the U.S.<br />
Senate<br />
and House.  Our goal is a pro-environment majority.   The Sierra Club<br />
is a<br />
nonpartisan organization that endorses candidates of any party if they<br />
meet<br />
our criteriaÃ¢â‚¬â€which does not include party affiliation.  ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s true<br />
that<br />
weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve endorsed a lot of Democrats, but itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s because in recent<br />
history, they<br />
tend to generally have better environmental records.  We are extremely<br />
pleased to support Republican candidates with good environmental<br />
records.<br />
In this case Senator Chafee has one of the best environmental records<br />
of<br />
any Senator of any party.</p>
<p>For more information on the Sierra Club Political Committee, please<br />
contact:</p>
<p>Jonathan Ela, Chair<br />
<a href="mailto:jonathan.ela@sierraclub.org">jonathan.ela@sierraclub.org</a></p>
<p>Information on the activity of the Sierra Club Political Committee is<br />
available on-line at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sierraclub.org/politics/">http://www.sierraclub.org/politics/</a></p>
<p>We don’t list or post the recipients of political contributions on our<br />
website but this information is reported to and regulated by the<br />
Federal<br />
Elections Commission. The Sierra Club is a nonprofit 501(c)(4)<br />
organization.  (c)(4) money does get used to communicate with members<br />
in<br />
Rhode Island encouraging them to support Chafee.  The FEC website<br />
features<br />
FEC filings, receipt and distribution information for political action<br />
committees, candidates and campaigns.  Please feel free to contact them<br />
at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fec.gov/">http://www.fec.gov/</a></p>
<p>The real strength of the Sierra Club is mobilizing our members in Rhode<br />
Island as well as informing voters in the pro-environment majority of<br />
RI<br />
about Senator Chafee’s record of protecting our families’ clean air,<br />
clean<br />
water and special places.  The Sierra Club takes many factors into<br />
account,<br />
but mainly our endorsement is based on the candidateÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s overall<br />
environmental record and platform.  The number for a 20% approval<br />
rating is<br />
inaccurate.  We use the League of Conservation Voters.  Chafee did have<br />
a<br />
50% in 2004, he currently has a 90%.  2004 was a year with very few<br />
environmental votes.  Their record is measured by their history of<br />
public<br />
service, public statements, responses in Club interviews and<br />
questionnaires.  Chafee’s accurate LCV numbers are:</p>
<p>109th, 1st Session (2005) 90%<br />
108th Congress (2003-2004) 72%<br />
107th Congress (2001-2002) 68%<br />
106th Congress (1999-2000) 100%</p>
<p>The Sierra Club takes its endorsements very seriously.  In order to<br />
ensure<br />
that we have a fair process that results in a mutually beneficial<br />
endorsement, we often consider several candidates for endorsement.<br />
While<br />
Senator Chafee clearly is an environmental leader, we believe our<br />
endorsement carries more weight and credibility when we can say that we<br />
have carefully looked at the candidates before making our decision.<br />
Senator Chafee has an excellent environmental record.  He has voted to<br />
protect clean air-he was the deciding vote to stop Bush’s Clear Skies<br />
plan<br />
which would have gutted the Clean Air Act.  He is a leader on<br />
protecting<br />
the Endangered Species act.  He protected Clean Air laws again by being<br />
the<br />
deciding vote to stop a plan to build more oil refineries without<br />
environmental protections.  He is a leader on global warming on energy<br />
issues.  Senator Chafee has been there for the environment when the<br />
environment needed him the most.  We cannot take party affiliation into<br />
account when someone who has been a loyal friend to the environment<br />
needs<br />
our support.</p>
<p>Hopefully this will help answer some of your questions and clarify why<br />
the<br />
Sierra Club has chosen to support Senator Chafee.  Please let us know<br />
if<br />
you have any additional questions or concerns.</p>
<p>“Explore, Enjoy and Protect the Planet.”</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Tammy Erwin<br />
Sierra Club Information<br />
(Please include this email in your reply)</p>
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		<title>By: KnotIookin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/20/wait-dont-open-that-wallet/#comment-72579</link>
		<dc:creator>KnotIookin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;we just called and canceled our seirra club membership…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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