
(guest post by Taylor Marsh)
Melvin R. Laird has co-authored the most bizarre editorial, along with Robert E. Pursley, today. The gentlemen ask the question: Why are they speaking out now? Of course, they are talking about the generals. And, of course, this editorial would find a place in the Washington Post. In the Vietnam era, there was Robert McNamara as SecDef, then Clark Clifford, then Laird. Pursley is a retired lieutenant general in the Air Force, and a former assistant to three secretaries of defense.
Laird has a lot to answer for on Vietnam, even though he inherited one hell of a mess. Maybe that’s why he relates to Donald Rumsfeld; feeling like coming to a fellow SecDef’s aid is the right thing to do, especially when the soldiers, generals, start firing. Of course, you also have to understand that Laird still believes we should have poured more money into Vietnam, because he thinks, in the end, the South Vietnamese could have won the day. Right. Again, he’s got a lot in common with Secretary Rumsfeld.
The ghost of Vietnam may be whispering to these retired generals, who understandably want to guarantee that military wisdom is never again trampled by political expediency. They make their point by implying that Rumsfeld has run amok and does not listen to his admirals and generals. Yet recently retired Joint Chiefs chairman Gen. Richard Myers and his successor, Gen. Peter Pace (from the Air Force and Marine Corps, respectively), have rebutted the argument that the military was sidelined. Myers and Pace are in a position to know. …
… … In criticizing those with the broader view, they should be mindful of the risks and responsibilities inherent in their acts. The average U.S. citizen has high respect for the U.S. military. That respect is a valuable national security asset. Criticism, when carried too far, risks eroding it.
We do not advocate a silencing of debate on the war in Iraq. But care must be taken by those experienced officers who had their chance to speak up while on active duty. In speaking out now, they may think they are doing a service by adding to the reasoned debate. But the enemy does not understand or appreciate reasoned public debate. It is perceived as a sign of weakness and lack of resolve.
Why Are They Speaking Up Now? – by Melvin R. Laird and Robert E. Pursley
By all means, let’s not rock the boat and try to exert a change of course, because the enemy is listening and watching. You don’t think they know it’s going badly in Iraq? Besides, this isn’t the tune Laird was singing just four months ago.
Back in the November/December 2005 issue of Foreign Affairs, Mr. Laird was lamenting quite a different tale. Talking about how Donald Rumsfeld, his friend of over 40 years, needed to pay more deference to Congress. This is part of what Laird wrote just months ago.
Donald Rumsfeld has been my friend for more than 40 years. Gerald Ford and I went to Evanston to support him in his first congressional race, and I urged President Bush to appoint him secretary of defense. But his overconfident and self-assured style on every issue, while initially endearing him to the media, did not play well with Congress during his first term. My friends in Congress tell me Rumsfeld has modified his style of late, wisely becoming more collegial. Several secretaries during my service on the Appropriations Committee, running all the way from the tenure of Charlie Wilson to that of Clark Clifford, made the mistake of thinking they must appear much smarter than the elected officials to whom they reported. It doesn’t always work.
If Rumsfeld wants something from those who are elected to make decisions for the American people, then he must continue to show more deference to Congress. To do otherwise will endanger public support and the funding stream for the Iraq war and its future requirements. A sour relationship on Capitol Hill could doom the whole effort. The importance of this solidarity between Congress and the administration did not escape Saddam Hussein, nor has it escaped the insurgents. In the days leading up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, television stations there showed 1975 footage of U.S. embassy support personnel escaping to helicopters from the roof of the U.S. embassy in Saigon. It was Saddam’s message to his people that the United States does not keep its commitments and that we are only as good as the word of our current president. We failed to deliver the logistical support to our allies in South Vietnam during the post-Watergate period because of a breakdown of leadership in Washington. The failure of one administration to keep the promises of another had a devastating effect on the North-South negotiations.
Iraq: Learning the Lessons of Vietnam, by Melvin R. Laird
"Iraq: Learning the lessons of Vietnam" coming just months before "Why are they speaking out now?" is quite a juxtaposition, especially given what we’re facing right now in Iraq. We obviously haven’t learned the lessons of Vietnam, which is one of the reasons the generals are speaking out now. Maybe Laird will remember what happened to General Shinseki for speaking out. The irony opening out from Laird’s two pieces is thick. That it’s Melvin Laird who co-authored the criticism of the generals today, after writing his own piece criticizing and warning Donald Rumsfeld to change his style or pay the price, is obviously one for the memory hole.
After being ignored, Laird is getting nervous. Join the crowd. He sees the ghost of a very bad war coming back to haunt the present. Previous warnings to his pal Rummy having gone unheeded, now opening out on to a plea to back the boss because things are going from bad to worse in Iraq. Laird doesn’t want to see another Vietnam. The U.S. once again pulling back from Iraq, like was done in the bad old days he remembers so well.
However, Mr. Laird needs to take another moment to think about the piece he wrote in Foreign Affairs, pondering an important point. If Donald Rumsfeld had taken his advice in November, would the generals have had to speak out at all? If they’d listened to Shinseki in the first place, would the generals have waited so long?
Bush and Rumsfeld’s stubborn weakness to "stay the course," at a time when pride is too high a price to pay for the crisis that begs for a change in strategy, is just one reason why Melvin R. Laird’s Washington Post editorial rings so falsely today.



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fitz!
Fitzzzzzz!
peeance freeance?
It is perceived as a sign of weakness and lack of resolve.
Will this threadbare, shopworn, tired-ass, bankrupt BULLSHIT EVER cease with this crowd?
Fitz, round up all these bastards and throw em into Stupid Hell for all eternity, k? Thanks ever so.
Sharkbabe (#4):
NO!
good lord, when i saw that name this a.m., i couldn’t believe it. truly a sign of desperation to roll out someone who’s name was long ago consigned to the history books of administrations past.
i mean, there’s gotta be lots of others besides me who thought the guy long dead.
OT–Howie’s love story to Britt Hume.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01943.html
Russert says: Bush “won’t fire Rumsfeld because it would be the equivalent of firing himself.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-rumsfeld/
“…the enemy does not understand or appreciate reasoned public debate. It is perceived as a sign of weakness and lack of resolve.”
Get fucking lost, Laird. That’s the political “baggage” we carry around with us as a free society. The “weakness” and “lack of resolve” can be laid at the feet of the pols who allowed Bush to 9/11-bully them into this mess. Our enemies rightly see our weakness in full klieglight display. They need look no further than the Office of The Deciderer-in-Chief.
“Klieg light display” is right, BobbyG.
Taylor, we gotta be all over that frigging tired-assed canard like a pack of wolves, 24/7. The Decider Who Hears Voices is putatively all about promoting “freedom.” It should be unnecessary to have to point out what that entails.
Therefore the US should allow our agenda and dipolomacy to be set by the perceptions of “terrorists who chop off peoples heads”.
Sounds great Mel.
-GSD
You got that right, BobbyG.
The problem is that the war itself was built on a foundation of lies and misinformation, and all the “fixes” in the world cannot keep it from falling down on us.
Onto this foundation went Rumsfeld’s “vision” for a new and modernized military (has anyone else wondered how the modernization of an institution like the military could have been sufficiently perfected between the beginning of Rumsfeld’s tenure and the time the war was launched?). Apparently, Rummy is a big “McGyver” fan, with troops being forced to scrounge junkyards and dumps for metal to up-armor their vehicles and forced to get friends and family to supply the body armor that was in short supply, or woefully inadequate. The generals were forced to abandon a decade-long plan that took the culture of Iraq into account, and anticipated an insurgency.
Why are the generals speaking out? Because it looks increasingly likely that a war with Iran will be the next defective structure to be designed by this administration, and built by Don “McGyver” Rumsfeld, and many still within the military are begging their retired comrades to help bring some reality back into the equation before Bush’s nuclear trigger-finger gets too itchy.
I can’t even believe anyone has to ask the question. Is anyone really buying the “some people are resistant to change” meme that Rumsfeld and his few supporters keep raising? Guess they haven’t considered that some people are resistant to failure, and after three years of it, think change is in order. Duh.
hah! got EPU’d with this:
oh, EPU, you are so funny. that “when I was in a younger universe†idea was hysterical. we always get it, even if u mistype. some day, I will have to post some Thomas Jefferson quotes. back in that time, spelling was kinda optional.
lemmesee here– other than rove and snootie given the gilded lily treatment, the big news from the corporate yellow media is, drumroll please!: the preznit’s helicopter was grounded today for ‘radio problems’ but hey, everybody’s fine and dandy, atlanta north terminal closed now, mumps, plague, babies for the stars, duke lacrosse players. oh and news from Aruba. did i miss anything?
Like, the rest of the world??????? Man, they all got the talking points.
I was thinking (hoping by the title) this was gonna be a good guy’s story. Instead, its more of the same tired ideology. More hawkish, pandering to the corporatocracy, don’t wake the children, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, old sage knows what he’s talking about, right wing horseshit. Can’t talk about nuthin or the terrists win. They gotta keep beatin that dead horse, cauz its all they got until the next big scare. They got closets full of these old turds to foist upon a paranoid public and they will get the face time.
Nobody will ever notice the contradiction in these two points of view that this right wing gashole has spewed b/c our complicit, warmongering, war profiteering corporate media will not ever present it thusly.
Rumsfeld has the nerve to talk about those who are resistant to cahnge. That caveman admits that he doesn’t use e-mail.
Friggin’ amazing.
We are seeing the Hitler in the Bunker logic on full display folks.
The longer they stay in the Whitehouse the more they begin to morph into a Saddam Hussein caricature.
-GSD
Anne, I go back what I posted back in 2004 campainging against Bush:
It is argued that Bush “had no plan” for “postwar” Iraq. That could not be more wrong. (Read Naomi Klein’s article “Baghdad Year Zero,” http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html)
The “plan” was simple, an 11-Step Program (appropriately for GW, one step shy of an AA regimen):
[1] Shock & Awe;
[2] Bad Guys pee their aggregate britches and vanish “at the first whiff of gunpowder” (the ‘cakewalk’ thing);
[3] Us Noble Liberators are greeted with showers of flowers;
[4] Secure the Oil Ministry;
[5] Hang out the “Iraq-is-Now-Open-For-Business” sign (as Paul Bremer in fact did. Again, see Klein’s article);
[6] Install Ahmad Chalabi — the Iraqi Andrew Fastow — as Prime Minister;
[7] Oil gushes forth, reconstruction is “cost-free”;
[8] We get our strategic Big Footprint smack in the middle of the region;
[9] All regional Hostiles are duly cowed into compliance before the Blinding Majesty of Bushdom;
[10] PNAC opening salvo complete;
[11] On to Damascus and Tehran and beyond.
Simple. elegant. “Light and Mobile.” It just didn’t work. They NEVER considered that it might not, so in the thrall of their own fevered visions of Magnificence were they.
Sorry, Plano tex. But if you want a “good guy’s story,” try this post from Markos:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..12428/4131
Shorter Mel. In order to protect our freedoms we must smother them.
-GSD
Fuck Melvin Laird….he almost got me killed. Another apologist for fucking cowards.
So old rusty battle axe Melvin Laird thinks that free expression by U.S. citizens about foreign policy helps the enemy. Next he’ll be telling us that even THINKING critical thoughts about Dear Leader is treason–Thoughtcrime.
“[9] All regional Hostiles are duly cowed into compliance before the Blinding Majesty of Bushdom.”
Besides Ahmadinejad, Assad, Hamas, Egypts Islamic Brotherhood and the resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan all of the regional hostiles have been duly cowed.
Heckuva job Bill Kristol.
-GSD
Shorter Laird: To hack or not to hack, that is the question. Hack it is.
Who they gonna drag out next? William Calley? The ghost of Martha Mitchell? Pat Boone?
Sharkbabe– ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Anti Meme Pledge (I hope Punaise went back to billable work)
I hereby vow to no longer use the term meme;
Ima gonna use shtick instead.
Hopefully that will assuage ani and all anti meme-ists.
Sharkbabe, no shit. Dig up a few more mummies for some fresh ideas.
-GSD
Maybe he wants to be Sec Def again? Have another go; do it right this time?
That praising not burying thing.
Rumsfeld has the nerve to talk about those who are resistant to cahnge. That caveman admits that he doesn’t use e-mail.
If he can’t change, why is he complaining about those who are resistant? Or is it just they don’t think he has a clue about what needs changing, and he’s getting the message unconsciously?
Well, one of the retired generals who came out to defend Rummy was Paul Vallely – the Fox news “military analyst” – wasn’t he part of the Joe Wilson smear, claiming that Wilson “outed” his wife in casual conversation in the Fox green room a full year before the Novak column?
Yeah – true patriot there…
(I am very cranky this afternoon)
RAWSTORY DEVELOPING:
Report: Leak inquiry heads toward Rove… Developing…
Only a day after the George Ryan(Republican) roll-up.
Go figure.
-GSD
Springtime for Assclowns.
“The ghost of Martha Mitchell?”
LOL!!!
Martha’s got a Madman
Standing hidden in her closet
With a long, curved Turkish dagger
With a bejeweled handle,
And he’s tellin’ her that
The world is full of
Freaks and geeks and cripples,
And he keeps findin’ leprechans
And gnomes among the ripples
In the pool of time she thought she knew,
Someone threw a stone into,
And it broke up the surface
And it’s makin’ her nervous…
Old song, “Martha’s Madman.” I forget who wrote it.
MarcLord – Now that’s funny.
Bobbyg 20
The worst part is, the voices are probably telling Bush that it did work.
OT/Breaking
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200….._explosion
KABUL, Afghanistan – A massive explosion believed to have been caused by a rocket shook the Afghan capital late Wednesday near the diplomatic area where the U.S. Embassy is located, a police official said. At least one policeman was wounded.
[…]
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was unauthorized to speak to the media, said the blast was apparently caused by a rocket targeting the U.S. Embassy building
[…]
Pursley is a retired lieutenant general in the Air Force
Ah, a flyboy. Like Myers. I’m sure the Army guys will give him all the respect they usually bestow on the USAF.
Boy, are they getting desperate. Spring has sprung and the Turdblossom is flowering again.Get the weed killer.Scotty has some downtime now, maybe he can have the neck stabizers installed to stop the head spin thing.Bush is playing musical chairs with the help.Rumsfield is getting a reach around from his good old boy’s.Fitz baby, are we there yet? I am patiently waiting for more wheels to fall off this wagon.
Moronic Convergence.
Delay possibly linked to the NH phone-jamming scandal that is possibly linked to Ken Mehlman that is possibly linked to the Whitehouse via Karl Rove that is possibly linked to Jack Abramoff.
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor…..03146.html
-GSD
Why don’t they get some ex-KGB bigshots to say what an effective Def Sec Rummy was under Ford?
The world is too dangerous for 4 more years of Republican Rule.
War-Economy
Weather-Environment
W-E need principled common sense for a change.
OT–Carol Lin is going nutso crazy over the Atlanta airport incident and is so concerned that people are not being able to take off– “some of us know people on those planes and they must be frustrated” She asked one gal in an airplane, what are you seeing outside the airplane? Reply– it’s starting to rain. But, they gave us free drinks and snacks and a movie.
goddess help us all.
forget about the explosion in Afghanistan… ain’t no big thing.
Hey, angie, it could be worse…on MSNBC they’re talkin’ about tomkitten.
And to the poster who mentioned Turdblossom…I guess that would make King Georgie the Turd.
Blumenthal Rove story.
Says that there is info in the recent Libby filings that claim that Rove is a “subject” of investigation by Fitz.
-GSD
http://commentisfree.guardian……plank.html
No Rummy Left Behind
Also, right on cue.
A terrorist scare!
-GSD
There can no longer be any doubt that anytime one of the administration apologists says anything about a “sign of weakness and lack of resolve”, they have, in fact, conceded the argument. Game Over. Done.
peace,
jim
Too bad Gen. Lebed is ded. I’m sure he was a Rummy man.
all clear in Hotlanta– whew, that was a close one!!!
jim – yeah, it should be some sort of Godwin’s Law corollary.
More of BushCo’s new material:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-rumsfeld/
Tony Snow Attributes High Gas Prices to “People Complaining About Donald Rumsfeldâ€
I hope he gets the job.
Speaking of which… If I don’t run out now and fill up during lunch hour, looks like I’ll be paying over $3/gal for gas. My first time! This gas price don’t go down, BushCo is really cooked. Search Pollkatz and see the Bush Approval-Gas Price Index.
And today the Iranian President Adj–whatever was raving the high oil prices really benefit developed countries, and victimized Iran. I hope that helps convince people he is basically a BushCo type of guy: spouting BS to pander to fearful people in his own country. As if the Iranian “Million Dollar Movie” Isotope Dance production number a few days ago shouldn’t have done the trick.
No Rummy left behind
GSD – my favorite line from Blumenthal’s article:
“McClellan is a flea on the windshield of history.”
Btw, I predict that the forthcoming Dixie Chicks CD will be the bestselling CD of the year.
CNN.com has the Afghanistan explosion story up… no mention of the proximity to the U S Embassy.
GSD – my favorite line from Blumenthal’s article:
“McClellan is a flea on the windshield of history.â€
I prefer to compare him to a brown stain on the mattress of life.
-GSD
Steve Bell is a genius!!! That’s a keeper, mfi.
Hey all – From TPM Muckraker, the guy taking Rove’s policy spot was one of the “Brooks Brothers” rioters in election 2000.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000416.php
Taylor–I have redubbed them the Brooks Brothers Brownshirts.
Use it liberally, that is what they were.
-GSD
Taylor – re: Kaplan, one of the “Brooks Brothers” rioters – that’s just perfect.
Is there no one that these people know who has any integrity or decency? Apparently, the depth of the low to which these people will stoop is bottomless. Imagine being proud of subverting an election.
Anne – When I saw this all I could think was that it must be a Rove lackey, a protege. I have a sneaking suspicion that Rove will still keep his hands in policy.
It boggles the mind that Wolf and other cable talking heads are saying that Rove not holding the policy position is really a slap in the face to Rove. Talk about gullible!
I thought people here would like it angie :-)
As I have posted elsewhere, as chief of staff for the Army and chairman of the JCs, Shinseki’s next step had to be out of uniform, but by announcing his replacement earlier than usual, Shinseki was lame ducked. The only more overt action they could have taken would have been to fire him, for which they had no cause. The icing on the cake was Rumsfeld not attending Shinseki’s retirement ceremony. Also a huge deal, given how big a deal protocol is in the military. (I remember once hearing a discussion about the requirement for an officer to remove his hat indoors, and the different interpretations among the branches about whether a tent with no sides was indoors or outdoors!)
The entire officer corps got the message, down to the greenest lieutenant. I’m sure after that Shinseki was a verb, as in, “Don’t cross anybody in the SecDef’s office or you’ll get Shinseki’d.”
Yeah, why didn’t they speak up?
And speaking of Viet Nam, the guys who are speaking out now were lieutenants and captains at the tail end of that war. Most of them spent their careers rebuilding the Army as a professional organization with human capital and esprit de corps. Remeber the movie Stripes? But it was actually a lot nastier than that. I remember when my sister’s husband got his commission, she told me that the reason he didn’t have a West Point sticker on his car because it would have been vandalized (the car not just the sticker).
Oh yuck did you have to mention the stuff named after Senator Hot for Pooches GSD?
EPU – *I Believe* ;-) My nephew has undertaken the charge of not only getting Echo & Rabbitpersons, but a few other things, for me. I missed out on the songs below thread, but I think Dire Straits’ Brothers in Arms is pretty much the soundtrack for all of this. From Money for Nothing to Brothers in Arms to Why Worry. Add in So Far Away, One World, and wrap it with:
I’m a soldier of freedom in the army of man
We are the chosen, we’re the partisan
The cause it is noble and the cause it is just
We are ready to pay with our lives if we must
Gonna ride across the river deep and wide
Ride across the river to the other side
I’m a soldier of fortune, I’m a dog of war
And we don’t give a damn who the killing is for
It’s the same old story with a different name
Death or glory, it’s the killing game
Gonna ride across the river deep and wide
Ride across the river to the other side
Nothing gonna stop them as the day follows the night
Right becomes wrong, the left becomes the right
And they sing as they march with their flags unfurled
Today in the mountains, tomorrow the world
Gonna ride across the river deep and wide
Ride across the river to the other side
Tony Sopranos buddy-Mr.Sanatorium!
-GSD
Sorry.
Echo and the Bunnymen did a great version of “We’re on the Road to Nowhere” Mary make sure you get that.
Thanks mark – my nephew is a bit ocd so the more specifics I can add to his “to do” list, the more fun it is to watch. *g*
taylor,
empty wheel asked these kinds of questions preciently last january and i commented at http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..t-12830852
http://www.army.mil/cmh/faq/oaths.htm
The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
“defend the Constitution of the United States” comes meaningfully before “obey the orders of the President”.
presciently
In 1980 I participated in a deposition of Mel Laird. Perhaps someday I should tell you how he got the nickname “Bomb” when he attended Carleton College in Minnesota.
yeah… if we abandon Vietnam now, then The Terrorists will have already won!
In a better world Melvin Laird would be sitting in a cell in The Hague for commiting war crimes against the people of Vietnam. What has this pissant ever done except help drag America into it’s most humiliating defeat in our history? (up til now that is)
30,000 plus names etched in that black wall in Washington DC means Melvin Laird has no moral authority to speak to this issue.
I read this piece in the post, and probably will adress it here.
to condemn speaking out too much on the one hand (as the article does) and then on the other make the very theme of the article that they should have spoken out before retiring, when the requirement, as part of the military structure, of not speaking out, is far greater (and far more reasonable) is inherently contradictory.
Thus the article’s basic point is a contradiction.
The article at the end states,”But the enemy does not understand or appreciate reasoned public debate.” who cares! Then it concludes, “it is perceived as a sign of weakness and lack of resolve.” Again, who cares. but more importantly, this is extremely flawed. Debate over what the best policy in Iraq is perceived as a lack of resolve, and we should care? It shows a resolve to address the problem to the best of our abilities. Also, what enemies? Al Qaeda? how so? And if one is speaking about the insurgents, if anything it shows a resolve, again, to get the problem addressed (nor is it all that clear how our presence in Iraq is affecting the insurgency).
A March 22 Washington Post editorial quoted the President making a similar point. I believe that undermining our democracy because of what our enemies believe is a bad precedent, and in this email to Post editorial page editor Fred Hiatt, addressed this point therein in two words.
Statements like these, “But the enemy does not understand or appreciate reasoned public debate.” are atrocious. They are either meaningless (again, like we should care) or worse, if as here by implication our democracy, on top of the other damage international terrorists have done, should be further held hostage by our own response to this threat. A classic example is the wiretap issue, addressed here and here and in this letter to an associate editor at the Washington Post. this issue has also been covered extremely poorly by the media as well.
the link to the email noted above would not work.
” believe that undermining our [democratic processes] because of what our enemies believe is a bad precedent, and in this email to Post editorial page editor Fred Hiatt, addressed this point therein in two words.” the link is http://www.pressthenews.com/f_hiatt1 or there is a direct link here
“But the enemy does not understand or appreciate reasoned public debate.â€
Or as they used to say back in the good old days:
We have to destroy democracy in order to save it.
Exactly right Ivan Carter. First, you posed the $10,000 question: “What enemy?” which of course aims directly to the heart of the Neo-Con’s phony rationale for war in Iraq. Criticizing Rumsfeld and his deplorable and utterly inept handling of the Iraqi invasion/occupation could not possibly hinder efforts against an actual threat such as Al Qaeda (not that the Neo-Cons have ever shown much interest in fighting Al Qaeda).
Secondly as you say, why should debate in the US over policy in Iraq be held hostage to the perceptions of terrorists?
One thing Melvin Laird has in common with Rumsfeld and the rest of the Neo-Conmen is they’ve been totally, tragically and obstinately wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong about pretty much every goddamn thing they’ve dreamt up concerning how the US should conduct it’s foreign policy.
Revisionist has-beens like Laird need to STFU and hope that people who actually know something about how the world actually works can somehhow wrestle the wheel away from delusional screw-ups like Donald Rumsfeld.
you know, it is odd.
i had this friend. a brevet captain in the crotch. who decided to become an artist after departing .
i have several of his bits. so much like this one.
his work wasn’t included in this collection. who knows why,
but you should check it out.
vietnam: relexes and reflections.
isbn #: 081093945-2
“Laird still believes we should have poured more money into Vietnam, because he thinks, in the end, the South Vietnamese could have won the day.”
Several years ago, I saw a t.v. program in which an ex-Viet Cong was asked whether he believed the United States could have won the Vietnam War. Of course, he could have just said, “No way. We had the upper hand” or something similarly macho. Instead, he replied, after laughing, that the Vietnamese had been fighting the Chinese for over a thousand years…and Vietnam still remained autonomous. Even though, part of Vietnam was lost to China.
So, what’s in store for Iraq?
Saddam Hussein kept the Sunni, Shia and Kurds together as “Iraq” only through brute force. Everytime the Shia or Kurds tried to split away, their opposition was crushed. Because of this, “Iraq” remained fairly stable except for an occassional uprising. But Hussein had a sizable internal intelligence force in place which kept it’s eye on anyone suspected of harboring revolting thoughts.
Right now in “Iraq”, we are seeing what happens when internal security in a country either disappears or is weakened. In this case, the loss of internal security in “Iraq” rests squarely on the Bush administration because after our forces took Baghdad, we didn’t have enough troops to replace Saddam Hussein’s internal security forces with our own.
This means that the only way “Iraq” as a country will survive as “Iraq” is if someone as brutal as Saddam Hussein holds it together. In other words, we are seeing civil war breaking out between the three main Iraqi factions, but it will take one group slaughtering enough members of the other two groups to maintain “Iraq” within it’s current borders.
Fracturing of “Iraq” into three mini-states, however, is more likely.
Oh, another point about the vapidness of Laird’s statements.
If I remember correctly, several years ago the neo-con Republicans jumped all over justices on the Supreme Court because the deciding justices, in a death penalty case, had based part of their ruling on what countries overseas, especially in Europe, had ruled regarding the death penalty.
In other words, the neo-cons got upset that the justices would listen to “foreigners” and decide a case based on what “foreigners” think. (Presumably, I guess, instead of basing their ruling on what only the neo-cons think).
Anyway, now Laird and others like him are saying that we should be concerned about what the “terrorists” will think of U.S. citizens engaging in a healthy, democratic discussion. That somehow, in our practicing of our democratic rights, that the “terrorists” will think we’re weak.
I didn’t realize that Laird and his neo-con pals were so concerned about the “terrorists.”
Which could explain why Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld let Osama bin Laden slip the noose of Tora Bora. They were concerned about what bin Laden would “think” if we’d captured him, or what his fanatical followers would have thought if we’d killed him.
I didn’t realize that these neo-cons cared so much for the fanatical religious terrorists out to wipe democracy from the face of the earth.
Who would have guessed?!?!?!
“…the enemy does not understand or appreciate reasoned public debate. It is perceived as a sign of weakness and lack of resolve.â€
Which creates a perception of weakness and lack of resolve; public reasoned debate or ineffective prosecution of a war?
First the “enemy”, whoever the f**k that is, may not care nor even be aware of the reasoned public debate on war in the United States. Do they gather around the big screen television in between building IEDs and watch blitzer and hume and chortle at them? Feeling empowered by we Bush haters….hardly.
Perhaps what he is really saying is that reasoned public debate makes a good excuse for the failure of the administration.
On Wednesday night’s edition of the Daily Show, host Jon Stewart gave the best reason yet as to why we can expect a war with Iran. watch this video!
http://thebluestate.typepad.co…..feld_.html