
PSST…McCain is an unprincipled reactionary
Is there any more pathetic spectacle than the ongoing crush that some centrist liberals have on John McCain? Even liberals who one would think (Iraq excepted, of course) would know better, like Jon Chait, have fallen for his shtick. But given what’s transpired in the past four years, this mash note written by Jacob "Lord of the Eyelash" Weisberg is particularly embarrassing. Letting no evidence or logic stand in his way, remains unshakably convinced that McCain is really a social liberal: "the literal-minded left has McCain all wrong" sez Weisberg:
…McCain’s smoke signals spell out something different–an unsuccessful attempt to back away from a mandatory position he no longer believes in, if he ever really did. In August 1999, McCain said, "I’d love to see a point where Roe v. Wade is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." This wasn’t a fluke comment–McCain said the same thing more than once. But his trial balloon was quickly shot down by the theo-cons, prompting him to abandon the experiment. The same thing happened again following McCain’s suggestion that the nutty Republican platform plank on the topic be rewritten, and again after he made the comment that if his daughter–who was 15 at the time–became pregnant, it would be up to her to decide whether to have an abortion. Despite his professions of fidelity, the pro-life lobby knows better than to trust him. Pro-choicers should similarly recognize that McCain is a hostage, not a hostage-taker, on this issue.
As Ace Rothstein said, there’s that explanation, and then there’s one that makes sense. Yes, McCain has, in the past, said that while he disagrees with Roe it might not be immediately practical to overturn it, and he has taken the radical position that it might not be desirable to pass a Constitutional amendment that would make abortion first-degree murder in all 50 states (as would, of course, any major Republican politician if the thing had any chance of passing.) On the other hand, he has recently come out in favor of South Dakota’s draconian (and illegal) law banning all abortions. Weisberg wants us to believe that the latter (which is not actually inconsistent with anything he’s said in the past) is the pander. Why should we believe that? Isn’t it just as likely that his previous comments were careful panders to the pro-choice majority, and the more recent comments reflect his actual beliefs? (Remember, in the 2000 primaries the religious right was already behind the other candidate, so his rational strategy was to appeal to voters who don’t care for the theocratic right.) If you, unlike Weisberg, don’t start with an a priori belief that McCain secretly agrees with you and all evidence to the contrary is therefore to be rejected, I don’t see why we would immediately accept that he’s only "pandering" now.
But wait: I left out the most crucial part. If there were just dueling statements, then Weisberg might have an argument. But as he concedes, McCain’s "literal-minded" critics "usually begin by complaining about his down-the-line anti-abortion voting record." Well, sorry to be literal-minded and all, but isn’t his voting record kind of, you know, important? Weisberg is asking is to believe that, despite being a stated pro-lifer with a 0% NARAL rating, he’s really a closet pro-choicer. This is just silly. McCain may say it’s not practical to overturn Roe, but if he had his way Roe would already be gone, as he voted for Robert Bork to be the 5th vote to overturn it, and of course also voted for Thomas and Alito. It’s his pro-choice feints, not his consistent pro-life record, that’s the dishonest pander.
And there’s a bigger problem here, what one may call the George Wallace problem. When it comes to politicians, the proof of the pudding is in the eating: what matters is the polices they enact, not their subjective beliefs. Maybe Weisberg is right that McCain is a "hostage" to the pro-life movement, just as Wallace was not so much a virulent racist as someone who played one when it was politically profitable. But here’s the thing: it doesn’t matter. Whether he’s a "hostage" or "hostage taker" is irrelevant as long as his voting record is Santorumesque. Weisberg seems to think that after the primaries he will no longer be "hostage" to the pro-life movement, and will be free to tear of the mask and be the pro-choicer that appears nowhere in his public statements or voting record. But, of course, this isn’t true–Presidents are also subject to political pressures. The modern GOP strategy for winning federal elections is to use a motivated base to overcome counter-majoritarian positions on many domestic issues, and McCain–who has a history of emphasizing extremely unpopular cuts to middle-class entitlements rather than more popular tax cuts–will be particularly beholden to a high turnout for both election and re-election, and particularly unlikely to cross a base that doesn’t trust him. If he’s not willing to be anything but a hardcore anti-choicer as an unbeatable Senator, what makes you think he’ll suddenly turn into one when he needs a high turnout to have a decent shot of winning? Whatever he subjectively thinks about abortion, there’s every reason to believe that as President he’ll continue his reactionary policies on abortion and countless other issues when he’s in office. People waiting for the "real" moderate McCain to emerge are living on ice-cream castles in the air.
(Cross-posted to Lawyers. Guns & Money . Graphic by Shakes Sis.)



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The Hague!
Fitzy!
Fitz RULES!
Feingold!!!!!
Same comment as last thread: Take McCain at face value. If he walks and talks like a reactionary, he is one. I get the added benefit of having him as one of my two outstanding senators at the moment; not everyone here can say that.
That graphic is classic.Two thumbs up!And a good beat.Truly a ‘brokeback’moment.
This man has no integrity whatever. That should have become evident to anyone who saw him hug Bush after the way he and his family were trashed in South Carolina in 2000.
What scares me is that he will become the Republican candidate – with Jeb or Condi on the ticket.
McCain is a FLIP FLOPPER re Falwell & Robertson.
In the last few months, several major players in George W. Bush’s campaigns, including media adviser Mark McKinnon and political director Terry Nelson, have started advising McCain and McCain has been saying more nice things about Bush than he used to. And in a hat trick designed to show both his political courage and wide appeal, he announced last week that he would make commencement speeches at Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, Bob Kerrey’s New School University in Manhattan and Ohio State University, in the center of the political universe.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..3428.shtml
1,025 DAYS OF KILLIMNG IN IRAQ
Aristophenes wrote a play called “The Birds” a couple a millenia ago…he mighta been writing about 21st century America. Good God, how can anyone take anything that is said in corporatist media seriously??!! John McCain is a red-blooded fascist who has 3 brain cellz left and he needs 1 fer the left foot and 1 fer the right that leaves 1 ta chew gum and find his way ta the outhouse. How can this pathetic creature be taken seriously, he couldn’t manage a rock garden?!!
I don’t care how good American marketing is…you can’t possibly make a president outta this moron.
KEEP THE FAITH, STUPIDITY IS NOT CONTAGIOUS!!
Actions speak louder than words. McCain has shown in numerous ways already that he has no integrity, that he has become W’s lapdog and that every move he is making is purely political and not about conscience.
I despair of the democrats who don’t see it, yet. We have a big job to do educating our friends and neighbors.
Well…I guess I’m sorta out-of-the-loop? Because:
A. I’m sure not aware of any “ongoing crush that some centrist liberals have on McCain”
B. I’ve not heard of this Jacob Weisberg
But, I found Weisberg’s reasoning goofy, and your pointing out how his reasoning is goofy to be right on target. Besides, anyone that will quote the greatest sports book of all time has my vote! (chuckle).
Best wishes, Ghostman
Yeah, and Bush is a compassionate conservative.
I love that picture.
Remember the Keating 5? Somehow McCain managed to slither out of that relatively unscathed, but I for one never ever bought his lame excuse that he got caught up in it because he was new to DC politics and naive. No he was greedy for power and influence, and barely got through it with his career intact.
Scott–
Bingo, right on, well said, etc. And it’s not as though presidents don’t have to tack according to the prevailing winds in Congress. When, then, do we get the guarantee that McC will “really be socially progressive”? There is, indeed, such a thing as being sophisticated, and understanding when a pol has to say one thing to one constituency to get something else done. But with McC, where’s the basis for thinking we know what he secretly/”really” believes?
Oh, and: In these troubled times, aren’t we all just yearning for a bit of stopping power? Where is McC’s (and everyone else’s, except Feingold, Harken, and Boxer) denunciation of the current nightmare? How is any of what W and Co. are doing remotely okay?
All that complicity and, to take it all home in, you’re telling me McC voted for Bork? Jesus. Check, please.
OT– rolling blackouts in texas– and it is only Spring– welcome to $100 a barrel oil. Spin away– we are so done; now it is essential we secure our energy– can you hear it now?
(I blew the Firesign quote. It should be, “In these troubled times, well aren’t we all just yearning to turn on a bit of stopping power”? Sorry for the confusion.)
And another thing. That picture above? The worst part is that he closed his eyes. In a transport of ecstasy? In deep personal shame? I leave the reader to decide which is worse.
I have a theory about McCain and “centrist” Democrats. McCain has a spine. Yes, he is opportunistic. Yes, he’d sell out his best friend to get elected. But he doesn’t wring his hands and worry about everything he says. He doesn’t convene a focus group before he dares to have an opinion.
In short, he is precisely those same centrists argue that the Democrats should not be. I think it is a form of projection — unconsciously the centrists realize they are full of shit and project those unrecognized desires on McCain.
It really is kind of sad. If they had a little more self-knowledge, they might actually be able to work to make Democrats successful, instead of fellating McCain whenever they get the chance.
100 degrees in Arlington TX on April 17– do you believe in global warming yet, King George??????
OT- me to me, I did an EPU response to you below thread re: Schwarzkopf
EPU – I’ll see your McCain and raise you a McConnell
Man, that’s the ickiest political hug since Sammy Davis did Nixon.
Pro-choice and proud of it. One of my girlfriends likes him because she thinks that he is! Wrong answer. I have got to send her this post.
OT: When asked why we should save my all girls Newcomb college at Tulane I announced it was 1) because of the history and reputation that it enjoys 2) I believe we are in a new “Civil Rights” movement for women. We have South Dakota passing abortion bans and whatever you think about abortion it is the woman’s choice. Forcing women to bear children they don’t want is not good for society. Furthermore the next step is taking away birth control. This is just crazy and unacceptable.
Some were shocked but then my mom’s cousin chimed in that there was a case in their small LA town about a pharmacist who was the only pharmacist in his zip code and refused to dispense birth control. He was sued! I told him that guy should get a new job!
New Civil Rights Movement for women! I think we should promote that meme. Maybe more would get on board and get active with it framed like that. Too many women are very uninterested in this fight.
Maybe we’ll see a McCain/Lieberman ticket in 2008. Two fine “moderates” and “mavericks”. “I’ll see your Maverick (McCain) and raise you a (George ‘Wyatt Earp’) Bush. And throw in a Festus (Lieberman) for good measure.”
zennurse: I believe in the past you have recommended one or two first-aide type books to have on hand for emergency situations. Will you post again, if it was you? Thanks.
EPU #5 –
McCain is a Senator in this AND a parallel universe?
Man, that guy gets around . . .
Sorry Curious, wasn’t me, I keep all my know-how between my ears, but let’s see what’s out there, shall we?
goes searching….
This should be a good resource for anyone. I would also suggest anything the Red Cross puts out, and you can take basic First Aid at most of thier branches; don’t know about certification or anything, but feeling confident in the basics would allow you to help others with aplomb. If the Mayo Clinic has a hard copy, or any hospital based resource, I’d say it would do fine. The most important thing to remember in any emergency is 1) First, take your own pulse (calm down) and 2) Don’t say “Eeeeeewwwww” out loud.
awfully quiet here tonight.
lol, zennurse. Thanks.
zen, maybe it was the disaster preparedness files that curious in tx is thinking of?
zennurse says:
April 17th, 2006 at 1:50 pm
We also might want to take a look at these, save them in bookmarks. Sorry, but necessary disaster preparedness lists.
http://www.fema.gov/hazard/index.shtm
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fdsk.pdf
BTW, thanks for these! *hugs*
whoopsies! check out the super duper secret document that kills the NY Sun disputatious article today:
http://www.nysun.com/pics/31062_2.php
Quiet but lots of lurkers I’m sure
(headed back to lurker corner)
where’d the picture go? All I see is text now….
McCain blows with the wind. Don’t trust him for a second. He has
folded tosided with Bush consistently. Either he:1. Lies and decieves to pander to the left.
2. Lacks the ability to hold a commitment to any issue, and easily sells out (i.e. torture).
Either of these makes him DEFINITELY NOT PRESIDENTIAL material.
*waves @ punaise, miss ya*
Same here, the post has morphed into all text, no pic or links.
it’s tiresome that americans can’t see how mccain & hillary are both blinded by the jesus-zionist axis when it comes to setting our foreign policy — but that’s hard to do when everybody in the news media gets excited trying to find something to like about the two warmongering creeps
picture’s back…
hey Shez! long time….
just thought this was funny. Not haha funny, but hmmmmmm, funny.
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2006/3/21wayne.html
Angie,
if you are still here
do you have link to any info on Texas rolling blackouts ? maybe you just heard it on news
96 deg in the shade @ 3 pm today and power went out – no explanation, could be the usual bubba w/ a backhoe, maybe not.
Scott,
good to have you back with another great post.
JOHN MC CAIN MADE A PUBLIC PROMISE TO GARY BAUER TO ONLY APPOINT ANTI CHOICE JUDGES !
where’ve ya been punaise?
We’ve been missing you mightily!!
You OK?
walking on eggshells in the SF BAy Area: a lengthy SF Chronicle chronology of what would happen to the Bay Area if the exact same quake as 1906 struck today. 1700 or more dead, pieces of the Bay bridge dropping into the water, etc.
As an engineer professor once told us: “Always sleep with your sneakers on”.
This was a post from earlier in the day — and I’d be interested in what others thought of it.
Podkopayeva says:
April 17th, 2006 at 11:32 am
Fitz has let us down completely:
http://www.house.gov/hinchey/F…..inchey.pdf
One page pdf linked at Rep. Hinchey’s site. Why did it take Fitz SIX MONTHS to offer his REFUSAL TO INVESTIGATE THE NIGER FORGERIES as requested by Rep. Hinchey and 39 other Democrats?
I like that top first post. While Fitz is doing a good job, The Hague is where my dreams are…
zennurse! been laying low, plus we were out of town for a week. real busy with work, so I’m *trying* to keep a lurky low-key profile….we’ll see how long that lasts.
I looked at it too angie. Interesting that, with redactions in front of and behind the sentence about Valerie Wilson being a “CIA WMD manager, and the wife of Joe Wilson” they are so confident about whether or not her status was further specified. Also interesting that the “mere” classification of the whole paragraph as “SECRET” is not enough to mean that the things said in the paragraph were supposed to be kept secret.
The guy who wrote it and classified it classifed it as follows:
Classifed by Carl W. Ford, Jr. EO 12598 .5 (c) and (d)
That’s referring to the old Clinton order and those sections are:
(c) intelligence activities (including special activities), intelligence sources or methods, or cryptology;
(d) foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources;
So it was marked secret based upon intelligence activities, sources, foreign activity and confidential sources. The redactions, before and after the sentence about Wilson, remain secret, according to the declassification, under what appears to be the GWB revision (13292), as “Parts not being released 1.4 (d)” which under the BUsh order is:
(d) foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources;
The declassification was by Sharon Ahmed, and there is a date of March 31, 2006. I wonder if that is the date declassification was requested or agreed upon? If agreed upon, don’t you think that there are several pending FOIA requests for this memo? I mean, if the papers are doing anything, they have that request in, don’t they? SO how come just the SUn has it on April 15th?
punaise– where have you been? hope it was fun!
where is the ecstatic photo of the turdblossom express? i am going to make a coffee drink named after them for my friends who need to change their vote… the turdblossom espresso or the honest cup of coffee? which would you like??? hmmmm?
cbl– wolfie mentioned it many times at the 5pm hour– he kept breaking it as news– google now only provides a Canadian linky first: curious, yes, no?
http://www.canada.com/topics/n…..mp;k=49057
hi, angie O. (heh heh)- road trip to southern Cal, looking at colleges with punaise jr., and a stay in Death Valley.
Mary, when did Bush talk about it, I can’t find it in my bookmarks?
angie o, oh, yes he’s back alright.
ot; malkin is the worst person in the world!!!
(hi punaise)
Hmm- So Texas is about to get Enroned eh? Guess the energy bandits figure it’s been long enough that they can afford to game the system again? Besides- Texas is a RED state- so they’ll NEVER complain about gettin fucked by GW’s buds eh?
curious, don’t go that far. I don’t see it that way at all. He’s just talking about the niger stuff, which I agree needs to be looked at, but that was not where his investigation was really targeted. He is involved in Plame and the Leak. IIRC, the Niger issue and possible investigation information was requested, but just because he is answering in the negative to Hinchey, there may still be a recommendation to investigate or a link of some kind. IMO, the leak is the larger issue right now and the hope that Niger would come out of it was kind of a wish on our part, not ever a promise. The man has enough on his hands investigating Cheney!!
I”m sitting with my brother watching Keith O and 3rd worst person comes up and I shout out for the worst, Michele Malkin and sure enough . . . . boy did she deserve it!
I love Keith more and more every day.
oops, curious, I misread, I see that it is that fellow whose name starts with P who is feeling “let down completely”. Sorry!
Here’s a story that makes me puke!
Rupert Cornwell in Washington
17 April 2006
In an act of at least partial contrition, an officer in charge of the US military occupation of Babylon in 2003 and 2004 has offered to make a formal apology for the destruction his troops wrought on the ancient site.
Colonel John Coleman, former chief of staff for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in Iraq, said yesterday that if the head of the Iraqi antiquities board wanted an apology, “if it makes him feel good, we can certainly give him one”.
For more than a millennium, Babylon was one of the great cities of antiquity. It reached its greatest glory in the early 6th century BC, as the capital of Nebuchadnezzar II, builder of the celebrated Hanging Gardens.
Babylon declined and fell into ruin after it was conquered by the Persians under Cyrus the Great in around 538BC. But no devastation seems to have matched that inflicted by US troops and their Polish allies after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
Saddam himself had not helped. He had much of the ancient site rebuilt and developed as a tourist site as part of efforts to portray himself as Nebuchadnezzar’s modern successor and turn Mesopotamia once more into a regional superpower. He built a contemporary ziggurat-shaped palace nearby and carved out an underground car park among archeological deposits.
But after entering Babylon in April 2003, coalition forces turned the site into a base camp, flattening and compressing tracts of ruins as they built a helicopter pad and fuel stations. The soldiers filled sandbags with archeological fragments and dug trenches through unexcavated areas, while tanks crushed slabs of original 2,600-year-old paving.
“All of these things have combined to do a lot of damage to what is one of the most important, sensitive archeological sites in the whole world,” John Curtis, curator of the British Museum’s Near East department, said last year.
Col Coleman’s repentance was qualified. “If it wasn’t for our presence,” he told the BBC, “what would the state of those archeological ruins be?” – a repeat of the US claim that had its forces not occupied ancient Babylon, the site would have been laid waste by looters.
“Is there a price for the presence? Sure there is,” he declared. “I’ll just say that the price, had the presence not been there, would have been far greater.”
After US and Polish troops left in 2004, the first restoration plans for Babylon were drawn up. Last November Unesco, the United Nations’ cultural and scientific organisation, said it would be carrying out some initial repair work, and setting up a photographic registry of the site.
The work, in which France, Britain, Poland, the US, Iraq, Japan, Italy and the Netherlands are also involved, is being co-ordinated by the German Archaeological Institute, under the direction of the Iraqi authorities and Unesco.
But Babylon is not the only point of archaeological controversy in a country with an estimated 10,000 sites. In a separate complaint, the Iraqi Ministry for Tourism and Antiquities has demanded that US troops pull out of the city of Kish, which dates back 5,000 years, accusing American forces of damaging the precious archaeological site.
It accused the soldiers of preventing anyone from entering the city to assess damage. There has been no comment from the US military.
* At least six Iraqi policeman died and up to 39 others were missing yesterday after insurgents ambushed a police convoy near a US base, officials said. Separately, a suicide car bomber outside Basra wounded four British soldiers at the Shuaiba military base, and killed at least one civilian.
Archaeological cost of invasion
* US Marines from the First Expeditionary Force first set up camp in Babylon in April 2003
* Soldiers filled protective sandbags with sand containing ancient artefacts
* 2,600-year-old pavements were crushed by heavy military vehicles
* Landing helicopters caused structural damage to some of the city’s ancient buildings and sandblasted fragile bricks in the palace of Nebuchadnezzar
* Archaeologists say gravel brought in to build car parks and helipads has contaminated key sites
* US troops have also been accused of causing damage to the 5,000-year-old city of Kish by the Iraqi Ministry for Tourism and Antiquities
c in c T
That letter is the reason we all should love Fitz. He is not your shill — or anyone elses, for that matter.
curious in central tx–zennurse might have posted first aid books, I also have suggested emergency medical and survival books:
Wilderness First Responder, Tilton; Wilderness First Aid, Schimelpfenig & Lindsey; Wilderness First Aid-emergency care for remote locations, Am Acad Ortho Surgeons; Ditch Medicine, advanced field medicine for emergencies, Coffee; Wilderness Medicine, beyond first aid, Forgey; US Army Spec. Forces Medical Handbook; Self-Sufficient Life, complete back to basics guide, Seymour.
Boy, what a tragedy another 1906 earthquake would be. I’ve only had the chance to spend very short times in SF, but I absolutely love it. My best friend and I went there 2 years ago and stayed at a great place, The Hotel Rex. wonderful city, I bought lots of pearls in chinatown.
I will re- post my feelings about Fitz “letting us down” just because it feels so lively here with bunnaise back!
angie says:
April 17th, 2006 at 11:44 am
Podkopayeva @ 90
I do not think Fitz let us down– he is focused on the leak from the WH; the Niger forgeries are part of the story and up to Congress to investigate imho– specifically the Senate Intelligence Committee a la phase 2. If and when further indictments are handed down (please, please, please) then I think the whole pack of lies will be unraveled and things will move forward quickly. Fitz has to focus on the the outing of Valerie Plame… for now. There is a reason he said no 6 mos later after the request was made…
excise the word later… pleeeaze.
Mary, this is weird– secret on the left of the document and unclassified on the right– kinda telling.
rw, I read about that over the weekend somewhere, and I couldn’t agree more. What an arrogant jerk, we’ll apologise if he insists. He should be horrified that he allowed a bunch of soldiers to do such stupid things, instead of protecting the history of his ancestors. One Big Pissing Contest. I get so angry I can’t sleep.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/startel…..363904.htm
link to texas blackouts
OT: MSNBC New Orleans Mayoral debate with Tweety on now.
Still undecided election this weekend.
Keeping fingers crossed.
egregious,
You are starting to have a bad influence on me. I was just teaching my son (5 this week) that it is more important to learn to use hand tools than power tools, becaue, well, one never knows….
Hand drill, hand saw, hammer, screw drivers, level, square….
rwcole; saw a link about that atrocity at dependable renegade; reminds me of what the Taliban did to the Buddhas at Bamiyan.
Malkin is a disgrace– wish KO would roll the ‘Phantom of the Opera’ tune and name her….. worst person in the world. YESTERDAY.
rwcole #56 –
This crime against human history is one more confirmation that Bush is the Anti-Christ.
Satan probably impregnated Bar Bush with some Hitler sperm, damaged by his multiple addictions; but whatever, George W Bush is the MOST EVIL human on the planet.
No, Mr Bush — the President of Iran is not the next Hitler — YOU ARE.
I don’t know if there is any connection, but the Judge in Libby had a decision on the motion to Dismiss at the end of March, didn’t he? Patrick’s response is dated March 17. could there possible be a connection. I’m not very good in the synapse department today, recovering from the weekend. (makes me sound like I partied hard, doesn’t it? hahaha)
Oh, Wow, there’s a new thread, but I’m going to follow here too.
Depending on one’s moral and ethical affiliation, the dream/nightmare ticket for 2008 would be McCain/Gingrich. If these two were elected, I’d have to think I had died and gone to Hell. I suppose stranger things have happened.
Tonight while watching KO, I noticed a Citgo sign in the background; wonder how long before the command comes down for the camera angle to be changed…
imman, and don’t forget hand cranked radio for when there aren’t batteries any more :)
Look on the bright side, it takes a lot longer to amputate a finger with the hand tools.
OK kiddo, don’t say it, what a nightmare!
what more convenient way to establish your place in history than by erasing the past? beyond disgusting… no apologies are gonna be enough. civilization erased by a non believing chimp. no evolution, no science, no global warming, no stem cell research… nothing but lies and death. deny the truth and beat your breast.
egreg and imman- love that Foxfire book, too!
Mary, yes very interesting isn’t it? I noticed the date on that doc as being July 7, 2003.
Then we have this:
What I Didn’t Find in Africa. By JOSEPH C. WILSON 4th. 07/06/03: (New York Times)
Angie,
thanks for the link – just phoned it up to the locals who were told it was just an engineering snafu!
rwcole, Texas has enjoyed lower than average energy costs for a long time – until about a year ago – there’s plenty of complaining!
punaise, the ol engineering prof was being optimistic w/1700 dead. the 06 quake was centered in Bolinas of all places. I still shudder to think of the loss of life on the Cypress in 89 had it not been a Bay Area World Series. My concern the last 5 years we lived there was the Hayward Fault – but as a Berkeley resident, I’m sure you’re more than aware of it’s dangers
anyone, this is a one pager on McCain from The Nation
linked text
Oh, after he’s done with Iran he’ll go after Chavez, again– I read an article today that said it will be the fourth time we go after him…after being democratically elected. Citgo = Cuba, etc. aaargh.
Dru #51
ewwww, the proximity to Malkin in your comment….I’m gonna have to take a shower now :-)
Sorry for the sliming Punaise! Welcome back, really,really.
zennurse – I don’t know when Bush spoke about the Powell memo, sorry. :( This document is tied to a post from this morning about a spin piece in the Sun about how the Powell memo is now available and “nothing in it suggests Valerie Wilson’s status was covert” or something similar. Of course, the fact that the paragraph where she is mentioned is marked secret, there are redactions before and after the first sentence we can see that refers to her, and the piece comes out now that the WH info is out, when hit has been held back all this time, makes you wonder who is pulling the strings (ROve? COmpton?) on the release. I wonder in particular if the 3-31 date is the date of declassification. If so, for the Sun to have it exclusively 15 days later seems *odd.* If it is the date of the request, it would be nice to know who made it and again, how the SUn gets the first release.
cbl #77
I wasn’t around at the time of the ‘89 Loma Prieta quake, but I hear it was quite ride. Friends and family that have grown up scoffing at moderate quakes (gee, that was a fun ride) were truly shaken. The ‘06 quake was 30x greater intensity.
The next big one is most likely to hit on the Hayward fault, about a mile or so from chez moi. We’ve done quit a bit of seismic retrofitting to our modest woodframe home, but you never know. Stockpiles of supplies, etc. Phone lines will be jammed, cell towers will be out, so the immediate concern, beyond helping those trapped nearby, is how to gather the family in one safe place.
The SF Chronicle piece I linked to in #42 is fascinating in a Katrina-esque sort of way.
Dru – s’OK, I owe you one…. :-)
uh-oh, Dru– could be fun ;-) Punaise is thinking, thinking, thinking…
angie: nahhh, I’ll just tuck it away for future guilt-free use!
Mary, Angie, FDLers
There is one more page on the NYSun web site that does not show up (at least on my computer). It is the cover memo for the July 7 version: http://www.nysun.com/pics/31062_2_0.jpg It is approved by a William Wood rather than Thomas Fingar and also has one more line — Distro: S, D, P, PA
That’s probably not very important, but this one may be a biggi — (I can’t take any credit – it was spotted by Cecil Turner on Tom Maguire’s blog, 1.33pm): It looks like the word “TOP” has been deleted from the space before “SECRET” in both the July 7 and June 10 documents (except for the appended 2/19 memo). And before paragraph 4, there is a one-letter space between the opening parenthesis and the letter “S”, where the “T” has presumably been removed. These redactions seem to have been done to hide the actual classification level of the document. Assuming, of course, the deletions were made prior to declassification – I suppose it’s just possible (but very unlikley) that somebody at the NY Sun might have done some extra editing.
The gaps correspond to the number of spaces for “TOP” – very easy to see because its a fixed-space font. Also, there’s an underlined leading space before “Secret” in several places. Unlike underlined trailing spaces (which are common with word processors) I would assume that an underlined leading space is unlikely to occur without a preceding word.
Its very interesting, but I have no idea what it all means. Looking forward to hearing from the experts :0)
Dear President Bush:
We are concerned by the growing number of stories that your Administration is planning for military action against Iran. We are writing to remind you that you are constitutionally bound to seek congressional authorization before launching any preventive military strikes against Iran.
(From a VERY long letter by congressman De Fazio-linked at Raw Story)
punaise; this might help… http://cuteoverload.com/
Evil Parallel Universe says:
April 17th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
OUTSTANDING? What planet do you live on? You have Senator Absent (Kyl) who NEVER comes to Arizona, who has voted against every and any funding for military benefits and Vet’s care.
And what about those McCain Family Values???
So that is my two cents on McCain. NO Family Values.
punaise,
quick 89′ personal story – 6 rows from the top at Candlestick ! took me almost 10 years to go to any stadium in Cali after that. on the plus side, while rushing out of the park, I was knocked down by Joe DiMaggio who was very apologetic and helpful, better yet, saw him almost a month later at the SF Zoo where he recognized and greeted me!
That’s what I want–a politician taken hostage by issues. Shows, I dunno, an admirable passivity. Lily-liveredness. A charming sense of fear. Thanks for the strong recommendation, Jacob! I’m sold!
While we’re on the subject–saying that a former POW who suffered terribly is a “hostage” to an issue might, incidentally, be in somewhat poor taste.
Good stuff. It’s almost identical to something I wrote last week. Not complaining or trying to crap on this post by any means. I just don’t get too many commenters at my blog, so it’s good to see someone else who seems to agree with my take on Weisberg’s piece.
Dru – the “awwwww” factor overrides the previous “ewwww”….
cbl – that’s a memory that will last. Better stay out of Cal Bears’ Memorial Stadium – the fault runs right through it!
And frankly, why would Weisberg admire a man who panders like this, who — Weisberg thinks– is lying about what he really thinks? Especially when McCain’s supposed appeal (besides his true heroism as a POW) is that he’s a “straightalker”. None of that sounds very admirable.
katymine -I think you can safely say that EPU did not mean outstanding in a positive sense of the word. ;)
Tortise – thanks, but your are several steps beyond me. What is the June 10 doc? My link to the July 7 doc did not have the docs appended.
I do think that it looks like “top” was removed on the first page, and at least one of the “secret”-s has the underline extending for the space before the “s” which would indicate maybe a phrase, like top secret, had been underlined originally.
The “cover memo” – was that sent with the document to Powell? What is distro? Distribution list? Sadly, I don’t know who Thomas Fingar is or why this should have been from him?
It does look like we have all the following names involved with this memeo though: From the “cover” sheet, drafted Neil Silver,cleared by Beth Frisn(sp?),approved William Wood. From the memo: classified by Carl W. Ford, Jr.; declassification(?)”review authority” Sharon E. Ahmed
NOne of those names mean anything to me, but fwiw.
katymine — don’t ever stop your personal testimony about McCain. Every time I read that story of yours, I am affected again by McCain’s lack of personal integrity. Somehow, to me at least, your experience means a lot in this situation, and I think you should not ever be reluctant to repeat it for this audience and others.
Thank you and bless your family….
And let us not forget that, during the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush also said that it would be impractical to try and overturn Roe v. Wade.
Would anyone seriously suggest that Bush is a closet pro-choicer?
In my opinion McCain is batshit crazy and even more dangerous than Bush. Bush is an empty vessel filled with the delusions of the neocon crowd and topped off with frothy Jesus foam. McCain is a take charge guy on a mission to get even with the world for what happened to him in the Hanoi Hilton. If you want a real ruthless dictator, McCain is your man.