Comments on: Deborah Howell and Fred Hiatt: Fact Free and Loving It http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:32:41 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: NoParty http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-72410 NoParty Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:39:38 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-72410 <p>***Tenet said they never should have been included in the first place.***</p> <p>Because it wouldn’t have made any difference. This has not ‘only’ been a war against ‘Iraq’. It is a war on terrorism. Islamic fundamentalism breeds from the middle east. It has no borders. Iran and Syria have always been a part of our plan. </p> <p>I hear voices here that are solely hell bent on the destruction of this administration. Why would you have such a huge problem with us trying to undermine the leadership in Iran, when you folks here are trying to do the same thing to the Americans and their leadership?</p> <p>Do you ever stop and wonder why you spend so much time trying to find ways to undermine America, the troops, and our administration, and not the Jackals that preach hatred and the killing of ‘non-beleivers’? Do you have anything bad to say about the people that set off bombs in crowded buses or restaurants? </p> <p>You might try to look a little farther and deeper than your hatred allows. We have a country and a free way of life to protect. You’re either with us, or against us.</p> ***Tenet said they never should have been included in the first place.***

Because it wouldn’t have made any difference. This has not ‘only’ been a war against ‘Iraq’. It is a war on terrorism. Islamic fundamentalism breeds from the middle east. It has no borders. Iran and Syria have always been a part of our plan.

I hear voices here that are solely hell bent on the destruction of this administration. Why would you have such a huge problem with us trying to undermine the leadership in Iran, when you folks here are trying to do the same thing to the Americans and their leadership?

Do you ever stop and wonder why you spend so much time trying to find ways to undermine America, the troops, and our administration, and not the Jackals that preach hatred and the killing of ‘non-beleivers’? Do you have anything bad to say about the people that set off bombs in crowded buses or restaurants?

You might try to look a little farther and deeper than your hatred allows. We have a country and a free way of life to protect. You’re either with us, or against us.

]]> By: gc wall http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-70850 gc wall Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:51:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-70850 <p>Dialogue des sourds (French) a discussion in which neither party listens to the other (literally, dialogue of the deaf)</p> <p>This is what the WaPo is doing all of the time. The other major papers too. They report the lie and the truth at the same time. The lie receives prominent attention above the fold page one, the truth appears on A-23 below the fold one column inch. This way they can always claim that they were deceived, but reported the facts accurately on or about the same date. Another stunt over at the NYTimes is for lies they are caught in, they apologize, but then continue to tell lies until caught the next time. There is no integrity, no honor, nor honesty by doing so, but the publishers seem to believe that it works.</p> <p>What continues to trouble me is why so many publishers decided to abandon the American people to fallible and corruptible leadership by divorcing itself from its role as the Fourth Estate. The entity that was supposed to provide Americans with honest information so that we could make informed decisions regarding how our government is run and inform our understanding of the world. With so many people in the media making a living as professional liars the only choice one has is to believe none of them, right, left or middle.</p> <p>Who decides what the left side of an issue is and what is the right? Who decides what the moderate view is? Our nation has been pulled so far to the right that I’ve read fools who refer to the Wall Street Journal and General Motors as left wing organizations. The only people who would refer to them as left wing would have to be fascists, (extreme, radical or militant right,) and would have us believe that they are simply the right.</p> Dialogue des sourds (French) a discussion in which neither party listens to the other (literally, dialogue of the deaf)

This is what the WaPo is doing all of the time. The other major papers too. They report the lie and the truth at the same time. The lie receives prominent attention above the fold page one, the truth appears on A-23 below the fold one column inch. This way they can always claim that they were deceived, but reported the facts accurately on or about the same date. Another stunt over at the NYTimes is for lies they are caught in, they apologize, but then continue to tell lies until caught the next time. There is no integrity, no honor, nor honesty by doing so, but the publishers seem to believe that it works.

What continues to trouble me is why so many publishers decided to abandon the American people to fallible and corruptible leadership by divorcing itself from its role as the Fourth Estate. The entity that was supposed to provide Americans with honest information so that we could make informed decisions regarding how our government is run and inform our understanding of the world. With so many people in the media making a living as professional liars the only choice one has is to believe none of them, right, left or middle.

Who decides what the left side of an issue is and what is the right? Who decides what the moderate view is? Our nation has been pulled so far to the right that I’ve read fools who refer to the Wall Street Journal and General Motors as left wing organizations. The only people who would refer to them as left wing would have to be fascists, (extreme, radical or militant right,) and would have us believe that they are simply the right.

]]> By: unspunblog.com » http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-70638 unspunblog.com » Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:34:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-70638 <p>[…]   After all of the back and forth concerning good leaks and bad leaks about the only conclusion you can really come to is that the Washington Post has sunk a long way from its glory days. And no matter how much spin you get from Fred Hiatt and Debbie Howell the bottom line does not change, the administration is lying and for whatever reason the Post Editorial page and little Miss Debie are trying to provide cover. Please pass the kool-aide. […]</p> […]   After all of the back and forth concerning good leaks and bad leaks about the only conclusion you can really come to is that the Washington Post has sunk a long way from its glory days. And no matter how much spin you get from Fred Hiatt and Debbie Howell the bottom line does not change, the administration is lying and for whatever reason the Post Editorial page and little Miss Debie are trying to provide cover. Please pass the kool-aide. […]

]]> By: Catch22 http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-69478 Catch22 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:19:51 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-69478 <p>Another applicable quote:</p> <p>“Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not their own facts.” - Senator Moynihan</p> <p>Howell seems to be confused, that a license to influence by an editorial board means they cant be criticized for abusing their position. She also appears to believe its entirely appropriate for the Editors to have their own facts completely different from the rest of the newspaper on account of choosing different sources. If the paper isnt a good source of fact for the editors why should anyone else trust the paper?</p> Another applicable quote:

“Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not their own facts.” – Senator Moynihan

Howell seems to be confused, that a license to influence by an editorial board means they cant be criticized for abusing their position. She also appears to believe its entirely appropriate for the Editors to have their own facts completely different from the rest of the newspaper on account of choosing different sources. If the paper isnt a good source of fact for the editors why should anyone else trust the paper?

]]> By: margaret romberger http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-69359 margaret romberger Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:01:45 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-69359 <p>it appears that our Not Entrely Fearless Leader is …jane h.i became an idolator of jane’s 2 yrs ago after reading her hilarious hollywood truth crazier than fiction memoir KILLER INSTINCT.imagine my savage glee a few months back when an idle google turned up firedoglake…we must be in Heaven.</p> it appears that our Not Entrely Fearless Leader is …jane h.i became an idolator of jane’s 2 yrs ago after reading her hilarious hollywood truth crazier than fiction memoir KILLER INSTINCT.imagine my savage glee a few months back when an idle google turned up firedoglake…we must be in Heaven.

]]> By: Ba’al http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-69014 Ba’al Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:36:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-69014 <p>Hiatt would not have been influenced by the article in his own paper if he had seen it in advance according to the Ombuds. The article in question being one that destroys his argument, at least to anyone able to read. </p> <p>The Ombuds does not consider that this juxtaposition requires any further comment. In fairness, perhaps she likes her job more than her credibility. Those must be some amazing wienies.</p> <p>The good thing is that they don’t hide things anymore, they remind me of an adolescent who decides its ok to smoke in front of his/her parents.</p> Hiatt would not have been influenced by the article in his own paper if he had seen it in advance according to the Ombuds. The article in question being one that destroys his argument, at least to anyone able to read.

The Ombuds does not consider that this juxtaposition requires any further comment. In fairness, perhaps she likes her job more than her credibility. Those must be some amazing wienies.

The good thing is that they don’t hide things anymore, they remind me of an adolescent who decides its ok to smoke in front of his/her parents.

]]> By: Crackbaby http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-68940 Crackbaby Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:04:14 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-68940 <p>Wow. Absolutely true. The POst is post-truth these days and that skanky hag, ‘Lil Debbie, is part of the problem. I wish I had the gumption to sit and tear apart the lies and distortions of the right wing and their whores in media like Jane does in this blog entry. But alas, I must be content to read the excellent blog entries such as this. </p> <p>Just look at ‘Lil Debbie: She’s hideous and clearly affected by a lack of fat, as are most of the other republican anorexic “females” who infect the media. </p> <p>Why attack their looks? Because facts dont matter to republipigs. Regardless of what liberals want to believe, truth won’t will, hard work will but most of us are too lazy to fight anymore.</p> <p>Crackbaby</p> Wow. Absolutely true. The POst is post-truth these days and that skanky hag, ‘Lil Debbie, is part of the problem. I wish I had the gumption to sit and tear apart the lies and distortions of the right wing and their whores in media like Jane does in this blog entry. But alas, I must be content to read the excellent blog entries such as this.

Just look at ‘Lil Debbie: She’s hideous and clearly affected by a lack of fat, as are most of the other republican anorexic “females” who infect the media.

Why attack their looks? Because facts dont matter to republipigs. Regardless of what liberals want to believe, truth won’t will, hard work will but most of us are too lazy to fight anymore.

Crackbaby

]]> By: Joel http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-68692 Joel Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:07:11 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-68692 <p>Jane:</p> <p>Your intelligence and talent are breathtaking. I was with two college friends on Friday who now work at the Post. They read you, some respect you, some fear you, but they read you. I am so glad you’re on our side.</p> Jane:

Your intelligence and talent are breathtaking. I was with two college friends on Friday who now work at the Post. They read you, some respect you, some fear you, but they read you. I am so glad you’re on our side.

]]> By: Michael Grant http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-68686 Michael Grant Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:01:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-68686 <p>I have finally figured Howell out.</p> <p>The Washington Post Electronic doesn’t have a comics page…and she’s attempting to fill in the lack of comedical relief.</p> I have finally figured Howell out.

The Washington Post Electronic doesn’t have a comics page…and she’s attempting to fill in the lack of comedical relief.

]]> By: oldtree http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-68648 oldtree Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:18:13 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/15/deborah-howell-and-fred-hiatt-fact-free-and-loving-it/#comment-68648 <p>we should probably consider the lines of succession right now<br /> we need to begin recall proceedings, as our congress people haven’t done anything that could be considered active to start fixing the mess that they have made?<br /> it does appear that the people in the line of succession are also criminals, and this is disturbing to anyone but the other criminals that will benefit from their pals being the ones to determine their punishments. which of course doesn’t make any sense to us, but loads to them.</p> <p>we are unraveling the details, the government is unraveling themselves<br /> best someone is prepared. For the first time, it does appear that we have to recall the entire executive, impeach at least one, probably 2 incompetents in the judicial, and the feds are going to be arresting many in the legislative. The ones that get spared, and are in the line of succession, are deeply troubling, as most have criminal issues pending for them as well.</p> <p>we have a lot of trouble before we can have a tea party.</p> we should probably consider the lines of succession right now
we need to begin recall proceedings, as our congress people haven’t done anything that could be considered active to start fixing the mess that they have made?
it does appear that the people in the line of succession are also criminals, and this is disturbing to anyone but the other criminals that will benefit from their pals being the ones to determine their punishments. which of course doesn’t make any sense to us, but loads to them.

we are unraveling the details, the government is unraveling themselves
best someone is prepared. For the first time, it does appear that we have to recall the entire executive, impeach at least one, probably 2 incompetents in the judicial, and the feds are going to be arresting many in the legislative. The ones that get spared, and are in the line of succession, are deeply troubling, as most have criminal issues pending for them as well.

we have a lot of trouble before we can have a tea party.

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