
I go back and forth on the Deborah Howell conundrum -- ignorant or craven? I always find myself touching down on the Upton Sinclair quote:
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
And so we find ourselves with Lil' Debbie, failing to disappoint with this week's excuses about last week's Fred Hiatt column:
The Post editorially has supported the war, and the purpose of the editorial -- headlined "A Good Leak" -- was to support that leak as necessary to show that the president had reason to believe that Iraq was seeking uranium.
Yes, we know you have a lot invested in your warmongering. It has no doubt paid the giant cocktail weenie bill for years. But the fact is that there was no reason for the president to believe Iraq was seeking uranium at the time. Do we have to go through this again? I guess so. Joe Wilson's oped appeared on July 6, 2003. Five days later, on July 11 2003, George Tenet had to admit Wilson was right and there was no credible reason to believe as of January, 2003 when the President gave the State of the Union address that the 16 words had any validity; indeed, that's why Tenet said they never should have been included in the first place.
Only this last week we learned what they knew then, but what we didn't know -- the National Intelligence Council had delivered a definitive judgment in January of 2003 that the claims weren't credible. It appeared in the Post on the same day Hiatt's editorial did. Lil' Debbie claims Hiatt had not read Gelman and Linzer's piece at the time he wrote his editorial, not that it would have made any difference (her words not mine -- facts obviously have no place within the bubble world of the Post's editorial page). But by the time Howell was scribbling her excuses for Hiatt she most certainly had read it. What it said:
Tenet interceded to keep the claim out of a speech Bush gave in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002, but by Dec. 19 it reappeared in a State Department "fact sheet." After that, the Pentagon asked for an authoritative judgment from the National Intelligence Council, the senior coordinating body for the 15 agencies that then constituted the U.S. intelligence community. Did Iraq and Niger discuss a uranium sale, or not? If they had, the Pentagon would need to reconsider its ties with Niger.
The council’s reply, drafted in a January 2003 memo by the national intelligence officer for Africa, was unequivocal: The Niger story was baseless and should be laid to rest. Four U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge said in interviews that the memo, which has not been reported before, arrived at the White House as Bush and his highest-ranking advisers made the uranium story a centerpiece of their case for the rapidly approaching war against Iraq.
How could even she write something so staggeringly dishonest as "the president had reason to believe that Iraq was seeking uranium" when she admits in the same piece that this was staring her right in the face? I mean, WTF? What does it take to get through to these people? There were no attempts to purchase uranium from Niger and the President knew it, even by the Post's own reporting. How much simpler can we possibly make it?
But wait, now how much would you pay:
The editorial said Bush "clumsily" handled the leak, leading to Democrats' "hyperbolic charges of misconduct and hypocrisy." (Don't expect newspapers to editorialize against leaks.)
Don't expect newspapers to editorialize against leaks? But that's exactly what Hiatt did:
Rather than follow the usual declassification procedures and then invite reporters to a briefing — as the White House eventually did — Vice President Cheney initially chose to be secretive, ordering his chief of staff at the time, I. Lewis Libby, to leak the information to a favorite New York Times reporter. The full public disclosure followed 10 days later. There was nothing illegal or even particularly unusual about that, nor is this presidentially authorized leak necessarily comparable to other, unauthorized disclosures that the president believes, rightly or wrongly, compromise national security.
Hiatt buys right into the official GOP narrative that the President's leaks are okay but that the NSA leaks to the New York Times reporters are "unauthorized" and of a whole different beast that could endanger national security. The Justice Department is hunting for James Risen's head in order to make him turn over his sources and Hiatt gives this the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval. What does this say to people who might be thinking of whistleblowing to the Post? Fuck you, you bunch of traitors, we'll hand you over like a carnival prize?
Lil' Debbie again:
The passage in the Post editorial that sent war critics round the bend was this one: " . . . Mr. Wilson was the one guilty of twisting the truth. In fact, his report supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium."
I'm sure it did. She then goes on to not address this point at all, except to get into Hiatt's shopworn and downright wrong invocations of British intelligence at the time that the White House used to parse excuses for itself. They knew there were no attempts to buy Niger uranium. Both Howell and Hiatt keep trying to distract the argument by making it about Joe Wilson's report, but it's not about Wilson's report. The administration knew, completely independent of Wilson, that there were no attempts to buy Niger Uranium.
"The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush’s State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn’t need Wilson to tell me that there wasn’t a Niger connection. He didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know. I never believed it."
How many new and different ways do I have to find to say this?
More Howell:
It would have been helpful if the editorial had put statements about Wilson in more context -- especially the controversy over his trip and what he said.
No. No, it wouldn't have, and I'm going to tell you why Deb. Not that it will matter, but I'm going to do it anyway.
The attempt by the Administration to smear Joe Wilson was a pure Rovian effort to distract from the fact that he was right. Any attempt to pass off those smears three years later is an utterly dishonest and reprehensible journalism practice. It isn't journalism at all, it's thuggery. People often ask why I don't get into debunking the claim of "Wilson's wife sent him to Africa." Know why? Because suddenly I'm arguing about Pat Roberts and what a hopeless hack and Bush Administration tool he is and I'm off the main point, the only point -- Joe Wilson was right. There is no getting around it and any other discussion trivializes and distracts from the greater truth about the thousands of people who lay dead because a nation was lied into war. There were no attempts to buy Uranium from Niger, and everything else -- to paraphrase a great man -- is just an attempt to throw sand in the Umpire's eyes.
Some readers think it's a scandal when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other, but it's not that unusual that reporting -- particularly in news and editorial -- will depend on different sources. It happened again last week when an editorial and a story gave different estimates for how long it might take Iran to build a nuclear bomb.
No, Deb, that's not what people were upset about. What enraged them was the complete fact-free vacuum that Hiatt seems to be locked in. Even as he tries to excuse the paper's history as supreme war pimp he does so in denial of the facts not only in the Gellman and Linzer article but of virtually all the reporting that's been done on the topic by everyone short of the Moonie Times.
Debbie falls back once again on the intellectually lazy "well, everyone's upset so we must be doing something right" hokum. Yes, she's an idiot. But she's quite useful to the Post. Anyone with even a bit more intelligence would have a hard time getting all that insufferable, senseless drivel onto the page. And as they struggle to justify the blood on their own hands, that's an opiate for which they seem to have a relentless hunger.
Small wonder.
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Jane, well done…very clearly and convincingly made your case…the only bigger idiots are those up the street in the big house.
OT - Cobra II
Has anyone read the book Cobra II? Maj. Gen. John Batiste (RET.) stated as a reason for him “coming out” against Rummy was the publishing of the book “Cobra II.”
Go to Crooks and Liars, the quote is at 3:00.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....html#a7915
We need to think long and hard about why the Generals are turning on Rumsfeld (and actually BushCo). These guys are warriors with a capital W! These are some of the guys who are feeding Seymour Hirsch information on Iran. When Generals get this vocal, it is not because they are turned off on killing. It is because they are planning a coup d’etat. My thought is that they are trying to keep it bloodless.
I mean, lets be serious here. Almost everyone who posts at FDL wants this illegitimate government to fall. It IS as bad as it seems. We are already in Iran, probably with guns. (Bullshit you say? Read Hirsch!)
Listen to every word of General Batiste. What he says is “we have to finish what we started in Iraq, not get distracted.” This is a coded message that Rumsfeld (and Bush/Cheney/Rove/Wolfowitz/etc) have already turned their thoughts away from Iraq.
What else would distract the administration’s thoughts from Iraq?
They can only have turned their minds toward one of two things: 1) Iran; 2) Armageddon.
In my bible, they are the same thing — a shit storm of destabilization. MarcLord, in a previous thread post, correctly states that this is what Cheney/Halliburton/Carlyle want. http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ment-67945 Scarcity, rationing, riots, marshall law, raw power, righteous truth, and the supreme sacred orgasm.
By the way, Happy Easter to everyone at FDL.
If marclord is around there’s an EPU’d response in the last thread.
Awsome Ms Hamsher… The Upton Sinclair quote says it all about these people.
Suck ups… in modern vernacular.
Debbie Howell and Fred Hiatt are shills for the Administration talking points and right-wing fellatio artists of the first order. Whereas Gannon/Guckert was an actual male prostitute, these people are pretending to be “distinguished” journalists, while doing the same work as Gannon. I don’t know whether this makes them higher-class whores, or just more highly-paid ones.
If this wasn’t so tragic… it is damn funny to read… These people have no shame with what they write and say… how they ignore facts, twist logic… and can’t even fake being non partisan.
When Jane does a number on them I am in stitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love to see their faces reading this stuff. Priceless!
Well, that about nails it. It’s a shame, too. You’d think the nation’s capitol would be a great place for a real newspaper. They might as well put the thing out in mimiograph.
or toilet paper…
Tsk - such an angry liberal! I really feel sorry for Ms. Howell… how can she put up with all this incivility???
i removed all wapo links and subscriptions in response to the last deb/wapo bush tugjob.
not a single click on a single wapo link since.
fuck wapo. when i think of wapo now, i summon the image of the corpulent, debauched mug of the delerious exxon chief - who, nearly a billion later, is clearly on his way to hell on cheney’s sled.
wapo. pathetic douchebags. lil debbie is a vile bag of shit. an EVIL CU*T.
Well done Jane.
It’s so hard to keep focus with all the scandals and distractions and mis-direction.
You’re dead on.
Excuse me, but secretly leaking information cannot be equated with “respondingâ€. The explanation of the actions (leaking) after the fact cannot disguise the intentions of the actions (manipulation) at the moment that they occurred. Had the President wanted to respond in order to properly inform the American public about the classified information, then logically, why wouldn’t he have simply done so directly? If the President feels the American public should hear important classified information, he can simply release the information in any number of straightforward ways through a press release from the White House or explained in a speech or through a news conference. Frankly, “a good leak†need not be a leak at all. Trying to explain why it was a leak is the task at hand.
Unfortunately, that can’t be done logically because, at the time the leak occurred, the leaked information needed to be selective. Had they actually acknowledged the “declassification†openly at the time that they now assert it was declassified by the President, then the documents would have become immediately accessible to the press and the public. If that were to happen at the point in time when the issue was receiving scrutiny in the media, it may have minimized the intended smear of Wilson’s assertions. The media would have reviewed the entire document and found information that would have conflicted with the administrations assessment and potentially given some added credibility to Wilson’s assertions and accusations.
I would argue that the subsequent release of the document (I believe roughly ten days later) was also strategic. It gave the administration enough time to smear Wilson knowing full well that the flurry of media attention before the actual release of the document would provide the players a necessary window of opportunity to sufficiently cast doubt on Wilson’s assertions. In retrospect, the plan to smear Wilson was quite effective given that no significant traction would be gained by those who, at the time, doubted much of the intelligence being provided and the necessity to invade Iraq.
Further, I might speculate that the repercussions of the release of Valerie Plames name may have been a poorly vetted or overlooked detail that resulted in an unintended consequence. Unfortunately for the administration, her exposure and the subsequent attempt to cover it up and reconstruct the events has led to an abundance of doubt as to the intended actions of the President and his operatives. The full degree of damage to this President, who has billed himself as a straight shooter, is yet to be determined.
more observations here:
www.thoughttheater.com
Atrios thought well enough of this post that he linked to it !
“What a tangled web we weave when once we practice to deceive.”
If Bush and Cheney wanted to honorably argue with Joe Wilson’s conclusions they should have publicly made their case using the declassified NIE. Instead they chose to hide behind a leak. Why did they do that? They did it because they knew their argument was crap on the merits so they chose the dishonorable route and tried to attack Wilson with cherry-picked information, a false story about how Wilson was sent to Niger and a credulous reporter writing it all down. Now Bush and Cheney are stuck in the deep shit and can’t get out.
From what I can tell, Deborah Howell has had a long, successful career in journalism with a rather decent reputation. So why is she pissing away everything she’s done professionally for such a stupid thing? Everyone in this country pretty much accepts Bush is a liar and the Iraq War was started by his lies.
She must have decided to end her career living on cocktail weenies on the DC circuit. Or maybe she’s been completely blinded by some twisted Texas loyalty to Bush, which would be odd since he’s a carpetbagger and fraud from Connecticut.
Did the memiograph thing. It was good if you actualy gave different questions for each question each semester. And that counts.
Off topic. Hugh Hewitt thinks we are not nice. He may have a point, but…
http://vaughnamerling.blogspot.....right.html
Glædelig Påske Angie: Kylle Kylle
The rest of you don’t have to be Danish to click on the link and share in the War on Easter :-)
markfromireland,
Don’t know if you caught my earlier message, you sent some info my way.
Tapadh leibh (or if I may, tapadh leat)
————Scottish Highland lassie
I just saw the end of a media panel discussion hosted by Bob Schafer on CSPAN with people like Leonard Downie Jr. and Judy Woodruff. Schafer told a story about how he got his first media job by a case of mistaken identity, which was kind of funny. Leonard Downie Jr. starting laughing maniacally to the point of it being weird. It was a decent story but it wasn’t that funny. I think they might be snapping at the Post.
Ah I missed it, I’m dipping in and out today, egregious “go raibh maith agat.”
maybe she means he had to HAVE a reason to believe…
Jane, fucking spectacular. When the hell are you gonna get yourself some face time on TV and smoke these fools before millions?
mfi–”The Celt is imaginative, ‘dreaming dreams and seeing visions,’ unpractical, superstitious, tender, of quick perception, living an inner life, a good lover, a good hater. The Lowlander would die for a dogma, the Celt would die for a dream.” Helen Hopekirk
At first I typed ‘for a dram.’ :D
“Schafer told a story about how he got his first media job by a case of mistaken identity, which was kind of funny. “
This is a very old story. I have heard it twice and I don’t have a TV. Downie, who knows these people, must have heard it even more often. It was not terribly funny the first time.
Hmmmmmm. Modesty forbids me to comment on the good lover bit. :-)
Incidentally it’s “leat” which is the singular leibh is plural. She forgot to mention McCain which is after all a Celtic (Scottish) name if you’re a McCain you’d kill for a grope under a Bush, by a Bush, and for a Bush. (My apologies to Tyndale and Lincoln)
“When the hell are you gonna get yourself some face time on TV and smoke these fools before millions?”
Remember Larry Johnson’s experience with the MSNBC booker. They were propagating disinformation, he said he had the facts, the booker said they had something else in mind.
markfi, what a beautiful bottle. I need to breath and such, being not abled myself. Deep breaths. It works everytime. These women rock! Every time. It does my heart good, and those that pay attention.
JANE- I AM SERIOUSLY STRESSING ABOUT THE US NUKING IRAN AND STARTING WWIII. PLEASE USE YOUR INFLUENCE IN THE BLOGOSPHERE TO GET A GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT STARTED ASAP TO KICK THE DEMS IN THE BUTTS TO GET AHEAD OF THIS- THEY ARE TO LAME TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN.
The WaPo has entered the realm of infotainment. Expect investigative reporting now to include topics such as the amazing three headed boy, Elvis abducted by Martians, and Bush tells truth.
We need to think long and hard about why the Generals are turning on Rumsfeld (and actually BushCo). These guys are warriors with a capital W! These are some of the guys who are feeding Seymour Hirsch information on Iran. When Generals get this vocal, it is not because they are turned off on killing. It is because they are planning a coup d’etat. My thought is that they are trying to keep it bloodless.
Bloodless? What’s Cheney going to do, shoot them in the face? Craven cowards are craven cowards. They will swallow the cyanide and the lead like the Nazis did. Aside from that, I hope your right.
“…giant cocktail weenie…”
Oh, there are soooo many places to go with that one! But it’s Easter weekend, so out of consideration for the sensibilities of the still-Christian viewers here, I’ll just wander along.
Glædelig PÃ¥ske Mark– mange tak og mange kaerlig hilsen fra mig til jeres familie! Sorry for the misspells and realize I am on the fly with just my memory and no proper keyboard. Would love a Tuborg right now– a rigtig Tuborg, not the imported stuff! Kylle, kylle indeed! I would prefer a Nisse Ol anyday!!!
I have been only dipping in the FDL waters today because I am so angry and only by being outside and productive with the promise of spring and the end of winter will I feel better… I dislike intensely the conversation about nuclear war and the ‘President’s’ rights… lots more to say, but need to hold my tongue right now.
No argument from me marily :-)
Just pulled those of the WaPoo’s blog:
“Whatever the Post pays Lil Debbie for her intellectual dishonesty it is way too much, however, whatever the administration pays her to lie for them and their lackey Fred Hiatt seems to be moeny well spent.
Posted by: Greg in NY | April 15, 2006 06:57 P”
In addition to the quality, Jane I am very grateful for the speed. Thank you so much. Your post helps the decent reporters remaining at the Post, know again that we support them. The speed with which you got this out will imo give a lot of people a chance to “second” you over the Easter weekend, so everyone at the Post will have read it by Monday morning.
sheila -
Take heart. Increasing number of people are working tirelessly to neuter these criminal pukes. The tougher the Bushies talk, the lower his approval ratings go. It’s FINALLY dawning on mainstream America what a mess we are in and what dangers we face from our OWN government.
http://www.bgladd.com/Easter_2006.jpg
I know how you feel angie - take some time and enjoy the day we all need to recharge sometime.
16 puppethead says:
April 15th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
“From what I can tell, Deborah Howell has had a long, successful career in journalism with a rather decent reputation. So why is she pissing away everything she’s done professionally for such a stupid thing? Everyone in this country pretty much accepts Bush is a liar and the Iraq War was started by his lies.
She must have decided to end her career living on cocktail weenies on the DC circuit. Or maybe she’s been completely blinded by some twisted Texas loyalty to Bush, which would be odd since he’s a carpetbagger and fraud from Connecticut.”
Debbie Snack Cake’s hubby, C. Peter Magrath, is a pretty right- wing think-tank guy. He works in trustee-level higher ed posts, and really hates ‘academic leftists.’ He has a huge hardon for abolishing tenure, and a great line in ‘father knows best’ soi-distant condescention.
He was the youngest President of the University of Minnesota, and was initially a pretty liberal guy, but has become very libertarian and hostile to the academy in the last few years. Macgrath and Howell, I think, are very comfy now, and no longer have much interest in afflicting their own kind.
Just look at the University of California’s woes over executive compensation, anti-unionism, etc. The senior admin are really quite reactionary, and fuggeddabout the Reagents.
My point is that the New Oligarchs all get along jus’ fine, and all is vur’ good in their world.
Speaking as a Christian al-Scooter go there if you want it won’t disturb me. It certainly wouldn’t disturb Christ. And if it upsets the “christianist” pharisees who lurk here from time to time that’s a good thing.
Some readers think it’s a scandal when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other, but it’s not that unusual that reporting — particularly in news and editorial — will depend on different sources
I am upset when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other when one part gets it’s information from the Rove spin machine.
Jane,
After reading your post last Sunday on “A Good Leak”, I went out and read others. The conclusion I reached was that Hiatt, Howell, etc were nothing but GOP Hypocrites–pretending to be journalists. Since Buzzflash has a “GOP Hypocrite of the Week Award”….. I only wish I’d done a better job in my nomination of the post as the “GOP Hypocrite of the Week”.
Jane, without a doubt you have given me the best info on TreasonGate that I’ve seen. Everyone in my office asks what I think of this, so I’m not buying the line “the country doesn’t care…” Unfortunately, I only know what I can glean here (as well as places like the Next Hurrah, etc). There is so much to learn and only so many hours in a day to learn it. I’m not suprised by folks being taken in by the likes of the Wapo.
Great post. Do people like Howell think everyone is stupid or does she really believe this crap?
why is she pissing away everything she’s done professionally for such a stupid thing?
She’s moved to DC to work for the WaPo? Frankly, it’s a waste of time trying to do a Fristian diagnosis on Lil’ Debbie’s unerring ability to fuck up the basic tenets of her job description. Personally, as I’ve said before, I think it’s a textbook case of the Peter Principle: she’s been promoted to her own level of incompetence.
I do think, though, that shifting from the editorial desk of a decent-sized regional paper to the WaPo can be a bit like being a state pol elected to high federal office. There’s a parallel to Zell Miller’s going totally batshit bonkers when he became a senator in the wake of Coverdell’s death. Being in the political centre of power is like being handed a crack pipe the size of an alpenhorn.
Posted at WaPo blog and sent to Howell via e-mail
Ms. Howell,
You said:
“Some readers think it’s a scandal when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other…”
Here’s how that sentence would have read if you had a clear idea of your role as ombudsman for the Washington Post.
“Some readers think it’s a scandal when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other over the facts…and they’re right. Because we need to get at least the facts right on both the news pages and the editorial pages. Then we can let our editorial writers fight it out over what those facts mean … not over what those facts actually are.
Your news and editorial pages are not having a difference of opinion or a conflict of ideas. It’s not a meaningless llittle tiff we have going on here. They are in basic disagreement about a set of facts. The job of the news pages is to set forth the facts as clearly and completely and accurately as possible. The editorial page should be using those facts to develop thoughtful and thought-provoking opinion pieces.
It is a scandal when an editorial writer ignores the facts as reported in his own paper in order to support his position. That’s called fiction. Or wishful thinking. Or propaganda. Not an editorial. Editorial writers get to come up with their own opinion. Not their own facts.
Unless it is now your position, as it now appears from your column today, that the misstatement of facts is acceptable in a Washington Post editorial. If that’s the case, it’s quite clear that the Post editorial page is now useful only for lining litter pans or bird cages. As is the ombudsman’s column.
Regards,
AJ
This is the bit that made me nuts
“The “supported” in the editorial refers to Wilson’s report that there was a trade meeting between officials of Iraq and Niger. Though news accounts have said there was no talk of uranium, the meeting was seen as corroboration that the Iraqis were seeking uranium, because that’s mostly what Niger has to export.
“
So we don’t know they were talking about it but they MUST have been because there is nothing else they could be talking about…. if this is the logic of our intelligence community there is no wonder we are in the mess we are in…..
its corroboration because there is no other reason we can think of (nor are we trying to think very hard…)
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
Well, her salary from the WaPo doesn’t depend on it - she’s on a straight two-year contract.
So maybe the question about what the White House is paying her is more relevant.
it’s not just the post — mainstream media have been carrying the can for our glorified leaders since bush made it clear he wanted to take us into iraq — where are the photos of the war dead?
i personally know a few journalists who work at the post — let’s just say they never were the sharpest knives in the drawer
Sheila, imo Bush, Cheney and the neocons all want you to keep commenting what you did in 30. The topic has been very well covered in previous posts and will continue to be, because it is important. In a lot of commenter’s opinions, the nuke thing is “bait and switch.” When Bush attacks without nuclear weapons, everyone will breathe a sigh of relief.
Although I doubt you intended it, imo your use of capitals was disrespectful to Jane. Had you not used all caps, I probably would have just chosen not to respond to your comment.
No one could have anticipated Howell’s latest stupidity, so Jane dropped whatever she had planned to put together a really brilliant post, as per usual.
If you are concerned about Bush nuking Iran, did you check out the map Swopa posted last night? Do you know the wind directions in the Middle East? US forces surround Iran on all sides. We need all the help we can get. I would encourage you to link articles, information that you think helpful on this issue. That will make it easier for Jane, Christy, Pach, and the others to post about it. They are also wonderful at giving credit to readers who provide material that helps them write their posts. I know they may look it easy, but it isn’t. Every word Jane and Christy write is dissected by people all over the blogs, so it takes a lot of effort to crank out all these posts.
Again, we need all the help we need. Attacking Iran with or without nuclear weapons is extremely serious. FDL has posted on it and I know it will continue to be a topic.
there are only two explanations for this wapo level of bushit.
1. hiatt, howell, and most of the wapo staff are assets of the intell services. the wapo is a journal prepared and published in a conspiratorial manner by the state and its agents.
2. on the other hand. there is a mot juste[sic] that has been describing the real world for me for years.
what is the difference between stupidity and genius?
genius has its limitations.
quite often, when i have suspected that conduct was conspiratorial, it turned out to be the result of unimaginable levels of ignorance, unimaginable inabilities to ratiocinate.
never forget that seldes and stone considered the washington press corpse mentally dead. nothing has changed, i think.
Jane:
Aside from the detailed and insightful deconstruction of this nattering nabob currently (mis)representing Katherine Graham’s legacy…
The headline alone is worth the price of admission here.
Just great stuff here (including comments).
angie, please take time for yourself.
Though news accounts have said there was no talk of uranium, the meeting was seen as corroboration that the Iraqis were seeking uranium, because that’s mostly what Niger has to export.
Meaning that anyone who speaks to Lil’ Debbie is actively seeking bullshit, because that’s mostly what she has to export?
The WaPo, like the WSJ, can have a reactionary Editorial Board because it is essentially irrelevant what they say. The WSJ has to have good journalism because money-making is the ultimate “reality-based community” - businessmen above all require facts to make informed profitable decisions. WaPo readers are Federal government bureaucrats who also depend on facts to make decisions. They often have independent governmental sources of information which they compare to the facts in the Post. If the Post facts deviate too egregiously, useful credibility is lost for the paper.
In other words, Fred Hiatt is as useful as a tit on a male hog.
mfi–I thought leibh was formal, like Sir MFI, and leat was informal if I would dare to be informal with the esteemed Elf.
al-Scooter, Ever read Song of Solomon in the Bible? Whew. Hot stuff. We are allowed to be human and sexual beings, God made us that way, thank goodness.
Though news accounts have said there was no talk of uranium, the meeting was seen as corroboration that the Iraqis were seeking uranium, because that’s mostly what Niger has to export.
As I recall, the Iraqis spoke to a number of countries at that time about improving commercial relations — Iraq was under severe U.N. sanctions and the Saddamists were seeking political/diplomatic breakthroughs. Uranium is the main export of Niger but slick wheeler-dealers could try other commercial gambits to support “good relations”. Camel-saddles real cheap?
markfromireland #40
Thanks for the kind dispensation, sir! In return, may I say that I think of your son every time I read one of your posts. I hope he’s well and as safe as can be afforded.
I was going to make some reference as, “That’s no way to talk about Fred!” But it prolly is.
And I must salute, in the finest sense of that word, Jane’s righteous throw-down of Fred and Debbie. There are times, and this is one of them, when I become unable to respond intellectually to people who seem beyond all reasoning and all facts. There seems to be no way to communicate.
In any case, thanks for indulging my weak attempts at humor. It’s one of the few coping mechanisms that still works. Ever since the Sy Hersh article, I’ve had this sense that I’m trapped in Joseph Heller’s Catch-22, the scene where Yossarian is wandering at night through liberated-but-not-secured Rome, numbed by the myriad ways that humans are hurting each other without concern or remorse. So FDL is my substitute for heavy drinking, not that I’m ruling out a “medicinal” approach.
Jane,
I don’t think you’re being fair to Ms. Howell. While I was shocked and nauseated by the Hiatt editorial, and wrote to WaPo to complain about it, I am hardly surprised that she didn’t openly denouce it. She couldn’t really do that and still keep her job, now could she? Instead, she gave a fairly neutral account of the disagreement, and I thought it left the unstated impression that she thought the facts in the article spoke for themselves and that Mr. Hiatt should be understood to live in a world of his own where facts are irrelevant, and that if readers can’t figure that out for themselves, it’s not her job to tell them whom to believe. Yes, I find that disappointing, but she’s really just the paid spokesperson for the paper. She’s not the real enemy. I vote you save your scathing brilliance for the true players. I’m just saying.
Unbelievable.
Good job again, Jane — as usual!
egregious #56
Thanks, I have. And you’re right.
I trust that the editorial judgment to let readers use their respective imaginations won’t be misplaced. :-)
Sheila #30
We all should be so worried. It feels as if we are on the eve of Kristalnacht!
You guys are sooo fast! And accurate!
The Howell piece was lame, plain and simple. I thought it was funny that she claimed that one sentence had sent so many of us “around the bend”. No Debbie, the fact that the entire thing was a pile of lies was really what got to us!!
On one level, the bizarre aspect of the front-page story directly contradicting the editorial gave us a bit of a smoking gun, it also gave them a bit of an out. i.e. “We hadn’t seen the front page story yet.” In reality, as I had pointed out in a letter to Howell, the main points of the front page story were well known for a long time, and were the only plausible explanation for the Plame affair, in direct contradiction to the “Good Leak” theory. Also, the Bob Graham Op-Ed from the WaPo that I referenced extensively pretty well refutes the “Good Leak” theory. Of course, Howell does not address any of these issues. What is her final argument? That reporters think all leaks are good, so the actual arguments put forth in the “Good Leak” editorial are mere sophistry designed to promote leaking in general, and war-promoting leaks in particular. Where does the outing of a CIA agent fit into this “new moral paradigm”? Oh, well, they left that one for Novak, they’ve got the cookies on his pillow in hell already.
In reality, it wasn’t Howell’s job to deal with this stuff. The editorial board should have retracted the piece. The fact that they haven’t done so in the face of the vast number of demonstrated falsehoods in it speaks volumes about whether or not they really care about their credibility. As long as Senators can wave their editorials around and say “See, the Washington Post agrees with me.” , they’re happy. Have you heard one meaningful comment by any Post reporter or editorial board member about the piece? I didn’t think so. These guys aren’t that shy. Something just got “fixed around the policy”.
Kind of a drag, but not as bad as some huge endless war. Oh, I forgot, we’ve got one of those too. Shit.
peace,
jim
al-Scooter, first may I say what a remarkable nom de plume. Excellent choice. Many of us find ourselves on the strange side of the looking glass under current political circumstances. Welcome to my world. Of course in my case it helps greatly that I am mentally ill. Bipolar manic-depressive plus attention deficit disorder what is that SHINY thing? Yay! Boo. I keep trying to explain to people in my immediate family, a few of them get it, the rest feel like everything is pretty much fine, and will work itself out. &*@#$*&!!!!
I think it is time to stop fighting WAPO, take it for what it has become — a mouthpiece for the Administration — and ignore / dismiss it, just like most of us ignore / dismiss the Washington Times, the New York Post (at least this one is funny!) and assorted rags.
It is obvious that Howell, Hiatt, Little, and Brady take their clues from the power-that-be at WAPO. Otherwise, they would have been fired a long time ago.
The more we keep insisting that WAPO be the paper that we used to love and respect, the more attention we give it, and the more we play into the hands of the editors. Because, that is what, I believe, the powers-that-be at WAPO have in mind as a strategy. It allows them to curry favors with the Administration and it supports the circulation by keeping people screaming at the turn that WAPO has taken.
The best way to defeat that strategy is to ignore what WAPO puts out. WAPO is dead. Let’s bury it without honors.
egregious says: April 15th, 2006 at 4:49 pm
“leat” = “you”
“leibh” = “youse”
dead last says: April 15th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
We don’t need to think long and hard at all. The decision was made in November 2004, shortly after election day.
John Casper says: April 15th, 2006 at 4:42 pm
Neither of us know of course, but I think this is wishful thinking on your part. The part of Hersh that convinced me was the recounting that Bush felt no future president, Democratic or Republican, would have the courage to do what he was going to do.
Billmon has nailed it:
Death Of An American Newspaper
Ms. Hamsher, that could be the title of a book you and Ms. Smith write about the fall of a once-proud paper. Seriously, you two have solid minds, great writing skills, and a fine knowledge of the decline of this paper. You two think about it.
Some random thoughts:
1. Sometimes, when a heavyweight begins to fall…others think of striking up competition. It’s like an animal sensing that its prey is weak, it attacks. Could we possibly, on the far horizon, see a legitimate competitor spring up to this paper?
2. Almost as a sub-issue to #1…I wonder how this crazy schism of news reporting vs. editorial board sits with some of their ace reporters? Might some leave? Or might new talented blood veer away from taking a job there…they don’t want to be in the mess…and does this accelerate the paper’s decline?
3. If I owned the paper…I’d seriously consider junking the entire editorial thing. It’s ok to have columnists presenting varied points of view….but when your paper’s editorial position so drastically conflicts with solid news reporting…eventually people do one thing: they laugh at you. Laughter at the validity of a newspaper is a death knell…I’m starting to hear titters over these folks at this paper.
Oh well. Good reporting and good story Ms. Hamsher! Ghostman
dead last–we are the canaries in the mine, because we perceive that something terrible is possible. Most people do not get this. I try, every day, to talk with at least one person about politics–at THEIR level of understanding. Hard to restrain myself, yet need to work lovingly with other people as they are.
It’s a great privilege to be the canary. But painful.
angie says:
April 15th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
To add to the good advice posted above in response to your post, I can think of one or two possible calming agents: if you have some books containing some of my paternal grandfather’s illustrations, you might find a restful change of scenery - and if the skies are clear where you are, please look at the stars after twilight ends.
Great post Jane.
OT,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00213.html
===How To Steal an Election
It’s easier to rig an electronic voting machine than a Las Vegas slot machine, says University of Pennsylvania visiting professor Steve Freeman. That’s because Vegas slots are better monitored and regulated than America’s voting machines, Freeman writes in a book out in July that argues, among other things, that President Bush may owe his 2004 win to an unfair vote count. We’ll wait to read his book before making a judgment about that. But Freeman has assembled comparisons that suggest Americans protect their vices more than they guard their rights, according to data he presented at an October meeting of the American Statistical Association in Philadelphia.===
Above is entire text, but the graphic along side is a must read. For those of you who don’t want to get your mouse dirty over at WaPo, I made a .jpg of the graphic http://i8.photobucket.com/albu.....600213.jpg
DKD, I completely disagree.
The WaPoo is a HUGE player. Debbie is the ombudsman.
DKD, the WaPoo and the New York Times set the margin on what passes for “the left” in the corporate media. All the other corporate media outless line up “to the right” of them.
DKD, you wrote: “She couldn’t really do that and still keep her job, now could she?”
Did you bother to even read Jane’s post? It began with a quote from Upton Sinclair: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
DKD, have your heard of Dwight David Eisenhower? He mentioned something a long time about about the “military-industrial” complex. DKD, we got a whole lot of people on Republican Welfare hiding behind the imprimatur of the “objectivity” of the journalist, making comments with only their pocketbook in mind.
You appear to really, “not get,” how completely the corporate media frames the political debate in America. You also appear to really miss how courageous some of the WaPoo reporters are, because they don’t report what Hiatt, and Debbie want them to.
I’m out of here, but I’ll check the thread later for your response.
“…the complete fact-free vacuum that Hiatt seems to be locked in.”
Hmmmm, maybe Fred is thinking of running for preznit, as successor to our present “fact-free vacuum” preznit, and Debbie is auditioning as a replacement for Scottie McClellan in some future Hiatt administration?
What a great idea for a “Twilight Zone” episode. Rod Serling starts the episode by doing an opening commentary at preznit Bush’s 2001 inauguration, which would have ended with, “you have just entered the Twilight Zone” after Bush was sworn in.
Because it is obvious to anyone in the “reality-based community” of patriotic U.S. citizens that the “fact-free vacuum” that began with Bush’s inauguration directly contributed to or led to the 9/11 attacks occurring, the war in Iraq, the huge budget deficits, the huge trade deficits, the assaults on science, the assaults on our civil liberties, ad nauseum.
Yep, we all “entered the Twilight Zone” just over five years ago. But let’s pray to God there isn’t a sequel. Even nightmares end once one wakes up.
And more and more patriotic U.S. citizens are waking up from the Bush/Cheney/Hiatt/Howell nightmare, gasping in horror at all the evil being promoted or already initiated in the name of all Americans…and pledging never again to be fooled by those living in a “fact-free vacuum.” These people are dangerous. And our democracy already faces enough dangers. Let’s face the facts for a change.
Devil’s Advocate-
We’re in this mess because we let it go every time something came up that was wrong. No more letting it go.
egregious
My canary is on life support. Any ideas?
DKD @ 59 says:
She couldn’t really do that and still keep her job, now could she?
In fact, yes she can. Ms. Howell has crowed before about her guaranteed contract.
Jane, thanks for another great take down.
Maxfield Parrish?
On the other hand, I just read what AJ in #45 said, and those points were excellent. Ms. Howell ’s column basically ignored the key thrust of many complaints, including mine: a reputable paper shouldn’t publish editorials that present lies as truth. To not address that whole issue is infuriating.
egregious #64 and #68
You’re too kind! The Irish Lass has informed me that I’m taking her out to an early dinner, and I dare not risk the nano-nuke that’s sure to detonate if I disappoint her, so I’m off for a bit.
And I know all too well what happens to Cassandras. I’ve spent much of my working life in that role. Happy endings seem always to be reserved for others. But we have to be who we are. I hope some feeling of peace comes to you tonight and renewal tomorrow. Happy Easter!
“You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”
Mark Twain
OT but scary. The WaPo has a lengthy story about plans for Bird Flu: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00901.html
"Retired federal employees would be summoned back to work, and National Guard troops could be dispatched to cities facing possible “insurrection,” said Jeffrey W. Runge, chief medical officer at the Department of Homeland Security.Jane,
thanks for pounding my pet peeve…
This business of, if you are getting it from both sides you must be doing something right, is the biggest crock of shit.
No, what it means is that one side is very likley right and if you haven’t the brains to see who comes out on the right side time after time you should hang it up.
Yes, the hippies were right about Viet Nam and the liberals AND the American people were right about Iraq.(don’t forget most Americans didn’t want to go into Iraq.)
Valley Girl says:
April 15th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
The answer to your question is yes. His father, after whom I was named, was also an artist.
One the most concise statements I have read on fundamental failing in the Hiatt editorial was contained in a diary over at Kos.
Give it a look. Worth the read.
I assume that by publishing the news items debunking the uranium in Africa claim and the editorial claiming it is a valid claim WAPO is trying to boost circulation by attempting to be all things to all people… the end result will be nobody buying their rag.
Nicely put. Summarizes my feelings well. Is it really so much to ask that one of our premier newspapers does a good job in *all* departments? The Gelman/Linzer article is superb, and much of the paper’s coverage is fantastic. Doesn’t Hiatt realize he undercuts the paper’s credibility when he pens such drivel in an op-ed? Doesn’t Howell realizes she hurts her credibility and that of the paper when she offers such a bland, insultingly obtuse “play nice, now” judgment?
Perhaps others have heard it, but Lil’ Debbie’s phrase, “fraught with fraught” was a new one for me. A quick Google search revealed that she seems to like using it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....16_pf.html
http://postbulletin.typepad.co.....th_fr.html
Does it seem like Ms. Howell is projecting a little bit?
Jane, when I read Deb’s contribution this week, I thought, “oh, my, Ms. Hamsher will have fun with this one.” And you did an excellent takedown. But I think we’re done with her, don’t you?
Think she’ll change? No.
Think she’ll be shamed? No.
Think she’ll advocate for readers? No.
Think she’ll ever care? No.
She’s got a two-year contract. We’re just going to have to wait her out.
egregious: I think we are the canaries, too, and I don’t find others out of the-know who really grasp the big picture. I am losing heart at the moment.
Thanks, John Casper in #71, I do “get it.” I just thought Jane’s post took an artillery gun to a target when a smaller weapon seems more appropriate to me.
Just ran through the comments, but not sufficiently closely…. What strikes me about Howell, is not her maliciousness, but her cluelessness. She fancys herself as the tough-talking, “fuck”-saying, Real-Texas truth teller. But like McCain, her ability to talk straight is so skewed by ignorance, that her statements seem to be contrived partisan BS.
Sadly, I now pity her for her limits and revile her for her abuse of her position.
Jane -
What a shakedown. You’re on Fire!
Two posts one on “Good Leak” and the other on Howell.
First on Good Leak. In DC area, there are a few weekend talking shows (besides Sunday national ones) that play on local TV. A prominent one is “Inside Washington” hosted by Gordon Peterson (anchor for local ABC affiliate) and the panelists usually include (among others): Charles Krauthammer (wapo syndicated columnist), Mark Shields (syndicated columnist/PBS), Nina Totenberg (NPR) and Colby King (Wapo editorial board, signed columnist, pulitzer winner). This wk (this Sat evening), those were the panelists.
Peterson comes to the topic of Wapo’s Good leak editorial and Gelman’s front page story on the same day. He starts with Colby King. King takes a sip from his cup and says “As the Posts’ editorial page deputy editor, let me first drink some cool-aid and then say…”. He was devastating in his takedown. Totenberg howls with laughter and Mark Shields joins. King comes up with some lame explanation with a grin/smirk, while not believing anything he says. Nancy says” Come on, Colby, you can spit it out.” I mean, it was like it was rehearsed, but you can tell it was not. The point is, Hiatt’s deputy was making fun of the editorial on TV. Which means, that editorial had no credibility even with the editorial board.
Then Nancy cuts down Hiatt and then Shields does the same. Krautthammer spews out some of his usual nonsense.
Video and transcript will be up on wjla.com (abc channel 7 in DC) site maybe Monday or Tues. The video clip will be good for C&L.
DKD must not realize that Ms. Howell’s position is NOT head of the public relations department at WaPo, but that of ombudsman.
The very definition of an ombudsman includes the notion that she is there to represent the READERS, not to act as apologist for the godawful errors and intentional obfuscations of an editorial board which acts as propaganda organ for the White House.
There are ombudsmen at other papers which rake their own paper’s staff over the coals when such a response is warranted. That’s just part of the job description. [It’s also the reason why some papers resist HAVING an ombudsman in the first place.]
Any further obtuseness about so basic a point as this will be regarded by me as wilful and/or disingenuous ignorance.
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To all of you, my dear FDL friends, have a most happy Easter, or gut Pesach, or spring celebration. Let us love and enjoy the meaningful things of life this season, if for no other reason than to spite the evil operatives who worship nothing but mammon and Mars, the god of w