
I go back and forth on the Deborah Howell conundrum — ignorant or craven? I always find myself touching down on the Upton Sinclair quote:
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
And so we find ourselves with Lil’ Debbie, failing to disappoint with this week’s excuses about last week’s Fred Hiatt column:
The Post editorially has supported the war, and the purpose of the editorial — headlined "A Good Leak" — was to support that leak as necessary to show that the president had reason to believe that Iraq was seeking uranium.
Yes, we know you have a lot invested in your warmongering. It has no doubt paid the giant cocktail weenie bill for years. But the fact is that there was no reason for the president to believe Iraq was seeking uranium at the time. Do we have to go through this again? I guess so. Joe Wilson’s oped appeared on July 6, 2003. Five days later, on July 11 2003, George Tenet had to admit Wilson was right and there was no credible reason to believe as of January, 2003 when the President gave the State of the Union address that the 16 words had any validity; indeed, that’s why Tenet said they never should have been included in the first place.
Only this last week we learned what they knew then, but what we didn’t know – the National Intelligence Council had delivered a definitive judgment in January of 2003 that the claims weren’t credible. It appeared in the Post on the same day Hiatt’s editorial did. Lil’ Debbie claims Hiatt had not read Gelman and Linzer’s piece at the time he wrote his editorial, not that it would have made any difference (her words not mine — facts obviously have no place within the bubble world of the Post’s editorial page). But by the time Howell was scribbling her excuses for Hiatt she most certainly had read it. What it said:
Tenet interceded to keep the claim out of a speech Bush gave in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002, but by Dec. 19 it reappeared in a State Department "fact sheet." After that, the Pentagon asked for an authoritative judgment from the National Intelligence Council, the senior coordinating body for the 15 agencies that then constituted the U.S. intelligence community. Did Iraq and Niger discuss a uranium sale, or not? If they had, the Pentagon would need to reconsider its ties with Niger.
The council’s reply, drafted in a January 2003 memo by the national intelligence officer for Africa, was unequivocal: The Niger story was baseless and should be laid to rest. Four U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge said in interviews that the memo, which has not been reported before, arrived at the White House as Bush and his highest-ranking advisers made the uranium story a centerpiece of their case for the rapidly approaching war against Iraq.
How could even she write something so staggeringly dishonest as "the president had reason to believe that Iraq was seeking uranium" when she admits in the same piece that this was staring her right in the face? I mean, WTF? What does it take to get through to these people? There were no attempts to purchase uranium from Niger and the President knew it, even by the Post’s own reporting. How much simpler can we possibly make it?
But wait, now how much would you pay:
The editorial said Bush "clumsily" handled the leak, leading to Democrats’ "hyperbolic charges of misconduct and hypocrisy." (Don’t expect newspapers to editorialize against leaks.)
Don’t expect newspapers to editorialize against leaks? But that’s exactly what Hiatt did:
Rather than follow the usual declassification procedures and then invite reporters to a briefing — as the White House eventually did — Vice President Cheney initially chose to be secretive, ordering his chief of staff at the time, I. Lewis Libby, to leak the information to a favorite New York Times reporter. The full public disclosure followed 10 days later. There was nothing illegal or even particularly unusual about that, nor is this presidentially authorized leak necessarily comparable to other, unauthorized disclosures that the president believes, rightly or wrongly, compromise national security.
Hiatt buys right into the official GOP narrative that the President’s leaks are okay but that the NSA leaks to the New York Times reporters are "unauthorized" and of a whole different beast that could endanger national security. The Justice Department is hunting for James Risen’s head in order to make him turn over his sources and Hiatt gives this the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval. What does this say to people who might be thinking of whistleblowing to the Post? Fuck you, you bunch of traitors, we’ll hand you over like a carnival prize?
Lil’ Debbie again:
The passage in the Post editorial that sent war critics round the bend was this one: " . . . Mr. Wilson was the one guilty of twisting the truth. In fact, his report supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium."
I’m sure it did. She then goes on to not address this point at all, except to get into Hiatt’s shopworn and downright wrong invocations of British intelligence at the time that the White House used to parse excuses for itself. They knew there were no attempts to buy Niger uranium. Both Howell and Hiatt keep trying to distract the argument by making it about Joe Wilson’s report, but it’s not about Wilson’s report. The administration knew, completely independent of Wilson, that there were no attempts to buy Niger Uranium.
"The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush’s State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn’t need Wilson to tell me that there wasn’t a Niger connection. He didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know. I never believed it."
How many new and different ways do I have to find to say this?
More Howell:
It would have been helpful if the editorial had put statements about Wilson in more context — especially the controversy over his trip and what he said.
No. No, it wouldn’t have, and I’m going to tell you why Deb. Not that it will matter, but I’m going to do it anyway.
The attempt by the Administration to smear Joe Wilson was a pure Rovian effort to distract from the fact that he was right. Any attempt to pass off those smears three years later is an utterly dishonest and reprehensible journalism practice. It isn’t journalism at all, it’s thuggery. People often ask why I don’t get into debunking the claim of "Wilson’s wife sent him to Africa." Know why? Because suddenly I’m arguing about Pat Roberts and what a hopeless hack and Bush Administration tool he is and I’m off the main point, the only point — Joe Wilson was right. There is no getting around it and any other discussion trivializes and distracts from the greater truth about the thousands of people who lay dead because a nation was lied into war. There were no attempts to buy Uranium from Niger, and everything else — to paraphrase a great man — is just an attempt to throw sand in the Umpire’s eyes.
Some readers think it’s a scandal when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other, but it’s not that unusual that reporting — particularly in news and editorial — will depend on different sources. It happened again last week when an editorial and a story gave different estimates for how long it might take Iran to build a nuclear bomb.
No, Deb, that’s not what people were upset about. What enraged them was the complete fact-free vacuum that Hiatt seems to be locked in. Even as he tries to excuse the paper’s history as supreme war pimp he does so in denial of the facts not only in the Gellman and Linzer article but of virtually all the reporting that’s been done on the topic by everyone short of the Moonie Times.
Debbie falls back once again on the intellectually lazy "well, everyone’s upset so we must be doing something right" hokum. Yes, she’s an idiot. But she’s quite useful to the Post. Anyone with even a bit more intelligence would have a hard time getting all that insufferable, senseless drivel onto the page. And as they struggle to justify the blood on their own hands, that’s an opiate for which they seem to have a relentless hunger.
Small wonder.



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Fitz!
Jane, well done…very clearly and convincingly made your case…the only bigger idiots are those up the street in the big house.
OT – Cobra II
Has anyone read the book Cobra II? Maj. Gen. John Batiste (RET.) stated as a reason for him “coming out” against Rummy was the publishing of the book “Cobra II.”
Go to Crooks and Liars, the quote is at 3:00.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..html#a7915
We need to think long and hard about why the Generals are turning on Rumsfeld (and actually BushCo). These guys are warriors with a capital W! These are some of the guys who are feeding Seymour Hirsch information on Iran. When Generals get this vocal, it is not because they are turned off on killing. It is because they are planning a coup d’etat. My thought is that they are trying to keep it bloodless.
I mean, lets be serious here. Almost everyone who posts at FDL wants this illegitimate government to fall. It IS as bad as it seems. We are already in Iran, probably with guns. (Bullshit you say? Read Hirsch!)
Listen to every word of General Batiste. What he says is “we have to finish what we started in Iraq, not get distracted.” This is a coded message that Rumsfeld (and Bush/Cheney/Rove/Wolfowitz/etc) have already turned their thoughts away from Iraq.
What else would distract the administration’s thoughts from Iraq?
They can only have turned their minds toward one of two things: 1) Iran; 2) Armageddon.
In my bible, they are the same thing — a shit storm of destabilization. MarcLord, in a previous thread post, correctly states that this is what Cheney/Halliburton/Carlyle want. http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ment-67945 Scarcity, rationing, riots, marshall law, raw power, righteous truth, and the supreme sacred orgasm.
By the way, Happy Easter to everyone at FDL.
If marclord is around there’s an EPU’d response in the last thread.
Awsome Ms Hamsher… The Upton Sinclair quote says it all about these people.
Suck ups… in modern vernacular.
Debbie Howell and Fred Hiatt are shills for the Administration talking points and right-wing fellatio artists of the first order. Whereas Gannon/Guckert was an actual male prostitute, these people are pretending to be “distinguished” journalists, while doing the same work as Gannon. I don’t know whether this makes them higher-class whores, or just more highly-paid ones.
If this wasn’t so tragic… it is damn funny to read… These people have no shame with what they write and say… how they ignore facts, twist logic… and can’t even fake being non partisan.
When Jane does a number on them I am in stitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love to see their faces reading this stuff. Priceless!
Well, that about nails it. It’s a shame, too. You’d think the nation’s capitol would be a great place for a real newspaper. They might as well put the thing out in mimiograph.
or toilet paper…
Tsk – such an angry liberal! I really feel sorry for Ms. Howell… how can she put up with all this incivility???
i removed all wapo links and subscriptions in response to the last deb/wapo bush tugjob.
not a single click on a single wapo link since.
fuck wapo. when i think of wapo now, i summon the image of the corpulent, debauched mug of the delerious exxon chief – who, nearly a billion later, is clearly on his way to hell on cheney’s sled.
wapo. pathetic douchebags. lil debbie is a vile bag of shit. an EVIL CU*T.
Well done Jane.
It’s so hard to keep focus with all the scandals and distractions and mis-direction.
You’re dead on.
Excuse me, but secretly leaking information cannot be equated with “respondingâ€. The explanation of the actions (leaking) after the fact cannot disguise the intentions of the actions (manipulation) at the moment that they occurred. Had the President wanted to respond in order to properly inform the American public about the classified information, then logically, why wouldn’t he have simply done so directly? If the President feels the American public should hear important classified information, he can simply release the information in any number of straightforward ways through a press release from the White House or explained in a speech or through a news conference. Frankly, “a good leak†need not be a leak at all. Trying to explain why it was a leak is the task at hand.
Unfortunately, that can’t be done logically because, at the time the leak occurred, the leaked information needed to be selective. Had they actually acknowledged the “declassification†openly at the time that they now assert it was declassified by the President, then the documents would have become immediately accessible to the press and the public. If that were to happen at the point in time when the issue was receiving scrutiny in the media, it may have minimized the intended smear of Wilson’s assertions. The media would have reviewed the entire document and found information that would have conflicted with the administrations assessment and potentially given some added credibility to Wilson’s assertions and accusations.
I would argue that the subsequent release of the document (I believe roughly ten days later) was also strategic. It gave the administration enough time to smear Wilson knowing full well that the flurry of media attention before the actual release of the document would provide the players a necessary window of opportunity to sufficiently cast doubt on Wilson’s assertions. In retrospect, the plan to smear Wilson was quite effective given that no significant traction would be gained by those who, at the time, doubted much of the intelligence being provided and the necessity to invade Iraq.
Further, I might speculate that the repercussions of the release of Valerie Plames name may have been a poorly vetted or overlooked detail that resulted in an unintended consequence. Unfortunately for the administration, her exposure and the subsequent attempt to cover it up and reconstruct the events has led to an abundance of doubt as to the intended actions of the President and his operatives. The full degree of damage to this President, who has billed himself as a straight shooter, is yet to be determined.
more observations here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
Atrios thought well enough of this post that he linked to it !
“What a tangled web we weave when once we practice to deceive.”
If Bush and Cheney wanted to honorably argue with Joe Wilson’s conclusions they should have publicly made their case using the declassified NIE. Instead they chose to hide behind a leak. Why did they do that? They did it because they knew their argument was crap on the merits so they chose the dishonorable route and tried to attack Wilson with cherry-picked information, a false story about how Wilson was sent to Niger and a credulous reporter writing it all down. Now Bush and Cheney are stuck in the deep shit and can’t get out.
From what I can tell, Deborah Howell has had a long, successful career in journalism with a rather decent reputation. So why is she pissing away everything she’s done professionally for such a stupid thing? Everyone in this country pretty much accepts Bush is a liar and the Iraq War was started by his lies.
She must have decided to end her career living on cocktail weenies on the DC circuit. Or maybe she’s been completely blinded by some twisted Texas loyalty to Bush, which would be odd since he’s a carpetbagger and fraud from Connecticut.
Did the memiograph thing. It was good if you actualy gave different questions for each question each semester. And that counts.
Off topic. Hugh Hewitt thinks we are not nice. He may have a point, but…
http://vaughnamerling.blogspot…..right.html
Glædelig Påske Angie: Kylle Kylle
The rest of you don’t have to be Danish to click on the link and share in the War on Easter :-)
markfromireland,
Don’t know if you caught my earlier message, you sent some info my way.
Tapadh leibh (or if I may, tapadh leat)
————Scottish Highland lassie
I just saw the end of a media panel discussion hosted by Bob Schafer on CSPAN with people like Leonard Downie Jr. and Judy Woodruff. Schafer told a story about how he got his first media job by a case of mistaken identity, which was kind of funny. Leonard Downie Jr. starting laughing maniacally to the point of it being weird. It was a decent story but it wasn’t that funny. I think they might be snapping at the Post.
Ah I missed it, I’m dipping in and out today, egregious “go raibh maith agat.”
maybe she means he had to HAVE a reason to believe…
Jane, fucking spectacular. When the hell are you gonna get yourself some face time on TV and smoke these fools before millions?
mfi–”The Celt is imaginative, ‘dreaming dreams and seeing visions,’ unpractical, superstitious, tender, of quick perception, living an inner life, a good lover, a good hater. The Lowlander would die for a dogma, the Celt would die for a dream.” Helen Hopekirk
At first I typed ‘for a dram.’ :D
“Schafer told a story about how he got his first media job by a case of mistaken identity, which was kind of funny. “
This is a very old story. I have heard it twice and I don’t have a TV. Downie, who knows these people, must have heard it even more often. It was not terribly funny the first time.
Hmmmmmm. Modesty forbids me to comment on the good lover bit. :-)
Incidentally it’s “leat” which is the singular leibh is plural. She forgot to mention McCain which is after all a Celtic (Scottish) name if you’re a McCain you’d kill for a grope under a Bush, by a Bush, and for a Bush. (My apologies to Tyndale and Lincoln)
“When the hell are you gonna get yourself some face time on TV and smoke these fools before millions?”
Remember Larry Johnson’s experience with the MSNBC booker. They were propagating disinformation, he said he had the facts, the booker said they had something else in mind.
markfi, what a beautiful bottle. I need to breath and such, being not abled myself. Deep breaths. It works everytime. These women rock! Every time. It does my heart good, and those that pay attention.
JANE- I AM SERIOUSLY STRESSING ABOUT THE US NUKING IRAN AND STARTING WWIII. PLEASE USE YOUR INFLUENCE IN THE BLOGOSPHERE TO GET A GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT STARTED ASAP TO KICK THE DEMS IN THE BUTTS TO GET AHEAD OF THIS- THEY ARE TO LAME TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN.
The WaPo has entered the realm of infotainment. Expect investigative reporting now to include topics such as the amazing three headed boy, Elvis abducted by Martians, and Bush tells truth.
We need to think long and hard about why the Generals are turning on Rumsfeld (and actually BushCo). These guys are warriors with a capital W! These are some of the guys who are feeding Seymour Hirsch information on Iran. When Generals get this vocal, it is not because they are turned off on killing. It is because they are planning a coup d’etat. My thought is that they are trying to keep it bloodless.
Bloodless? What’s Cheney going to do, shoot them in the face? Craven cowards are craven cowards. They will swallow the cyanide and the lead like the Nazis did. Aside from that, I hope your right.
“…giant cocktail weenie…”
Oh, there are soooo many places to go with that one! But it’s Easter weekend, so out of consideration for the sensibilities of the still-Christian viewers here, I’ll just wander along.
Glædelig PÃ¥ske Mark– mange tak og mange kaerlig hilsen fra mig til jeres familie! Sorry for the misspells and realize I am on the fly with just my memory and no proper keyboard. Would love a Tuborg right now– a rigtig Tuborg, not the imported stuff! Kylle, kylle indeed! I would prefer a Nisse Ol anyday!!!
I have been only dipping in the FDL waters today because I am so angry and only by being outside and productive with the promise of spring and the end of winter will I feel better… I dislike intensely the conversation about nuclear war and the ‘President’s’ rights… lots more to say, but need to hold my tongue right now.
No argument from me marily :-)
Just pulled those of the WaPoo’s blog:
“Whatever the Post pays Lil Debbie for her intellectual dishonesty it is way too much, however, whatever the administration pays her to lie for them and their lackey Fred Hiatt seems to be moeny well spent.
Posted by: Greg in NY | April 15, 2006 06:57 P”
In addition to the quality, Jane I am very grateful for the speed. Thank you so much. Your post helps the decent reporters remaining at the Post, know again that we support them. The speed with which you got this out will imo give a lot of people a chance to “second” you over the Easter weekend, so everyone at the Post will have read it by Monday morning.
sheila -
Take heart. Increasing number of people are working tirelessly to neuter these criminal pukes. The tougher the Bushies talk, the lower his approval ratings go. It’s FINALLY dawning on mainstream America what a mess we are in and what dangers we face from our OWN government.
http://www.bgladd.com/Easter_2006.jpg
I know how you feel angie – take some time and enjoy the day we all need to recharge sometime.
16 puppethead says:
April 15th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
“From what I can tell, Deborah Howell has had a long, successful career in journalism with a rather decent reputation. So why is she pissing away everything she’s done professionally for such a stupid thing? Everyone in this country pretty much accepts Bush is a liar and the Iraq War was started by his lies.
She must have decided to end her career living on cocktail weenies on the DC circuit. Or maybe she’s been completely blinded by some twisted Texas loyalty to Bush, which would be odd since he’s a carpetbagger and fraud from Connecticut.”
Debbie Snack Cake’s hubby, C. Peter Magrath, is a pretty right- wing think-tank guy. He works in trustee-level higher ed posts, and really hates ‘academic leftists.’ He has a huge hardon for abolishing tenure, and a great line in ‘father knows best’ soi-distant condescention.
He was the youngest President of the University of Minnesota, and was initially a pretty liberal guy, but has become very libertarian and hostile to the academy in the last few years. Macgrath and Howell, I think, are very comfy now, and no longer have much interest in afflicting their own kind.
Just look at the University of California’s woes over executive compensation, anti-unionism, etc. The senior admin are really quite reactionary, and fuggeddabout the Reagents.
My point is that the New Oligarchs all get along jus’ fine, and all is vur’ good in their world.
Speaking as a Christian al-Scooter go there if you want it won’t disturb me. It certainly wouldn’t disturb Christ. And if it upsets the “christianist” pharisees who lurk here from time to time that’s a good thing.
Some readers think it’s a scandal when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other, but it’s not that unusual that reporting — particularly in news and editorial — will depend on different sources
I am upset when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other when one part gets it’s information from the Rove spin machine.
Jane,
After reading your post last Sunday on “A Good Leak”, I went out and read others. The conclusion I reached was that Hiatt, Howell, etc were nothing but GOP Hypocrites–pretending to be journalists. Since Buzzflash has a “GOP Hypocrite of the Week Award”….. I only wish I’d done a better job in my nomination of the post as the “GOP Hypocrite of the Week”.
Jane, without a doubt you have given me the best info on TreasonGate that I’ve seen. Everyone in my office asks what I think of this, so I’m not buying the line “the country doesn’t care…” Unfortunately, I only know what I can glean here (as well as places like the Next Hurrah, etc). There is so much to learn and only so many hours in a day to learn it. I’m not suprised by folks being taken in by the likes of the Wapo.
Great post. Do people like Howell think everyone is stupid or does she really believe this crap?
why is she pissing away everything she’s done professionally for such a stupid thing?
She’s moved to DC to work for the WaPo? Frankly, it’s a waste of time trying to do a Fristian diagnosis on Lil’ Debbie’s unerring ability to fuck up the basic tenets of her job description. Personally, as I’ve said before, I think it’s a textbook case of the Peter Principle: she’s been promoted to her own level of incompetence.
I do think, though, that shifting from the editorial desk of a decent-sized regional paper to the WaPo can be a bit like being a state pol elected to high federal office. There’s a parallel to Zell Miller’s going totally batshit bonkers when he became a senator in the wake of Coverdell’s death. Being in the political centre of power is like being handed a crack pipe the size of an alpenhorn.
Posted at WaPo blog and sent to Howell via e-mail
Ms. Howell,
You said:
“Some readers think it’s a scandal when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other…”
Here’s how that sentence would have read if you had a clear idea of your role as ombudsman for the Washington Post.
“Some readers think it’s a scandal when two parts of the newspaper appear to be in conflict with each other over the facts…and they’re right. Because we need to get at least the facts right on both the news pages and the editorial pages. Then we can let our editorial writers fight it out over what those facts mean … not over what those facts actually are.
Your news and editorial pages are not having a difference of opinion or a conflict of ideas. It’s not a meaningless llittle tiff we have going on here. They are in basic disagreement about a set of facts. The job of the news pages is to set forth the facts as clearly and completely and accurately as possible. The editorial page should be using those facts to develop thoughtful and thought-provoking opinion pieces.
It is a scandal when an editorial writer ignores the facts as reported in his own paper in order to support his position. That’s called fiction. Or wishful thinking. Or propaganda. Not an editorial. Editorial writers get to come up with their own opinion. Not their own facts.
Unless it is now your position, as it now appears from your column today, that the misstatement of facts is acceptable in a Washington Post editorial. If that’s the case, it’s quite clear that the Post editorial page is now useful only for lining litter pans or bird cages. As is the ombudsman’s column.
Regards,
AJ
This is the bit that made me nuts
“The “supported” in the editorial refers to Wilson’s report that there was a trade meeting between officials of Iraq and Niger. Though news accounts have said there was no talk of uranium, the meeting was seen as corroboration that the Iraqis were seeking uranium, because that’s mostly what Niger has to export.
“
So we don’t know they were talking about it but they MUST have been because there is nothing else they could be talking about…. if this is the logic of our intelligence community there is no wonder we are in the mess we are in…..
its corroboration because there is no other reason we can think of (nor are we trying to think very hard…)
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
Well, her salary from the WaPo doesn’t depend on it – she’s on a straight two-year contract.
So maybe the question about what the White House is paying her is more relevant.
it’s not just the post — mainstream media have been carrying the can for our glorified leaders since bush made it clear he wanted to take us into iraq — where are the photos of the war dead?
i personally know a few journalists who work at the post — let’s just say they never were the sharpest knives in the drawer
Sheila, imo Bush, Cheney and the neocons all want you to keep commenting what you did in 30. The topic has been very well covered in previous posts and will continue to be, because it is important. In a lot of commenter’s opinions, the nuke thing is “bait and switch.” When Bush attacks without nuclear weapons, everyone will breathe a sigh of relief.
Although I doubt you intended it, imo your use of capitals was disrespectful to Jane. Had you not used all caps, I probably would have just chosen not to respond to your comment.
No one could have anticipated Howell’s latest stupidity, so Jane dropped whatever she had planned to put together a really brilliant post, as per usual.
If you are concerned about Bush nuking Iran, did you check out the map Swopa posted last night? Do you know the wind directions in the Middle East? US forces surround Iran on all sides. We need all the help we can get. I would encourage you to link articles, information that you think helpful on this issue. That will make it easier for Jane, Christy, Pach, and the others to post about it. They are also wonderful at giving credit to readers who provide material that helps them write their posts. I know they may look it easy, but it isn’t. Every word Jane and Christy write is dissected by people all over the blogs, so it takes a lot of effort to crank out all these posts.
Again, we need all the help we need. Attacking Iran with or without nuclear weapons is extremely serious. FDL has posted on it and I know it will continue to be a topic.
there are only two explanations for this wapo level of bushit.
1. hiatt, howell, and most of the wapo staff are assets of the intell services. the wapo is a journal prepared and published in a conspiratorial manner by the state and its agents.
2. on the other hand. there is a mot juste[sic] that has been describing the real world for me for years.
what is the difference between stupidity and genius?
genius has its limitations.
quite often, when i have suspected that conduct was conspiratorial, it turned out to be the result of unimaginable levels of ignorance, unimaginable inabilities to ratiocinate.
never forget that seldes and stone considered the washington press corpse mentally dead. nothing has changed, i think.
Jane:
Aside from the detailed and insightful deconstruction of this nattering nabob currently (mis)representing Katherine Graham’s legacy…
The headline alone is worth the price of admission here.
Just great stuff here (including comments).
angie, please take time for yourself.
Though news accounts have said there was no talk of uranium, the meeting was seen as corroboration that the Iraqis were seeking uranium, because that’s mostly what Niger has to export.
Meaning that anyone who speaks to Lil’ Debbie is actively seeking bullshit, because that’s mostly what she has to export?
The WaPo, like the WSJ, can have a reactionary Editorial Board because it is essentially irrelevant what they say. The WSJ has to have good journalism because money-making is the ultimate “reality-based community” – businessmen above all require facts to make informed profitable decisions. WaPo readers are Federal government bureaucrats who also depend on facts to make decisions. They often have independent governmental sources of information which they compare to the facts in the Post. If the Post facts deviate too egregiously, useful credibility is lost for the paper.
In other words, Fred Hiatt is as useful as a tit on a male hog.
mfi–I thought leibh was formal, like Sir MFI, and leat was informal if I would dare to be informal with the esteemed Elf.
al-Scooter, Ever read Song of Solomon in the Bible? Whew. Hot stuff. We are allowed to be human and sexual beings, God made us that way, thank goodness.
Though news accounts have said there was no talk of uranium, the meeting was seen as corroboration that the Iraqis were seeking uranium, because that’s mostly what Niger has to export.
As I recall, the Iraqis spoke to a number of countries at that time about improving commercial relations — Iraq was under severe U.N. sanctions and the Saddamists were seeking political/diplomatic breakthroughs. Uranium is the main export of Niger but slick wheeler-dealers could try other commercial gambits to support “good relations”. Camel-saddles real cheap?
markfromireland #40
Thanks for the kind dispensation, sir! In return, may I say that I think of your son every time I read one of your posts. I hope he’s well and as safe as can be afforded.
I was going to make some reference as, “That’s no way to talk about Fred!” But it prolly is.
And I must salute, in the finest sense of that word, Jane’s righteous throw-down of Fred and Debbie. There are times, and this is one of them, when I become unable to respond intellectually to people who seem beyond all reasoning and all facts. There seems to be no way to communicate.
In any case, thanks for indulging my weak attempts at humor. It’s one of the few coping mechanisms that still works. Ever since the Sy Hersh article, I’ve had this sense that I’m trapped in Joseph Heller’s Catch-22, the scene where Yossarian is wandering at night through liberated-but-not-secured Rome, numbed by the myriad ways that humans are hurting each other without concern or remorse. So FDL is my substitute for heavy drinking, not that I’m ruling out a “medicinal” approach.
Jane,
I don’t think you’re being fair to Ms. Howell. While I was shocked and nauseated by the Hiatt editorial, and wrote to WaPo to complain about it, I am hardly surprised that she didn’t openly denouce it. She couldn’t really do that and still keep her job, now could she? Instead, she gave a fairly neutral account of the disagreement, and I thought it left the unstated impression that she thought the facts in the article spoke for themselves and that Mr. Hiatt should be understood to live in a world of his own where facts are irrelevant, and that if readers can’t figure that out for themselves, it’s not her job to tell them whom to believe. Yes, I find that disappointing, but she’s really just the paid spokesperson for the paper. She’s not the real enemy. I vote you save your scathing brilliance for the true players. I’m just saying.
Unbelievable.
Good job again, Jane — as usual!
egregious #56
Thanks, I have. And you’re right.
I trust that the editorial judgment to let readers use their respective imaginations won’t be misplaced. :-)
Sheila #30
We all should be so worried. It feels as if we are on the eve of Kristalnacht!
You guys are sooo fast! And accurate!
The Howell piece was lame, plain and simple. I thought it was funny that she claimed that one sentence had sent so many of us “around the bend”. No Debbie, the fact that the entire thing was a pile of lies was really what got to us!!
On one level, the bizarre aspect of the front-page story directly contradicting the editorial gave us a bit of a smoking gun, it also gave them a bit of an out. i.e. “We hadn’t seen the front page story yet.” In reality, as I had pointed out in a letter to Howell, the main points of the front page story were well known for a long time, and were the only plausible explanation for the Plame affair, in direct contradiction to the “Good Leak” theory. Also, the Bob Graham Op-Ed from the WaPo that I referenced extensively pretty well refutes the “Good Leak” theory. Of course, Howell does not address any of these issues. What is her final argument? That reporters think all leaks are good, so the actual arguments put forth in the “Good Leak” editorial are mere sophistry designed to promote leaking in general, and war-promoting leaks in particular. Where does the outing of a CIA agent fit into this “new moral paradigm”? Oh, well, they left that one for Novak, they’ve got the cookies on his pillow in hell already.
In reality, it wasn’t Howell’s job to deal with this stuff. The editorial board should have retracted the piece. The fact that they haven’t done so in the face of the vast number of demonstrated falsehoods in it speaks volumes about whether or not they really care about their credibility. As long as Senators can wave their editorials around and say “See, the Washington Post agrees with me.” , they’re happy. Have you heard one meaningful comment by any Post reporter or editorial board member about the piece? I didn’t think so. These guys aren’t that shy. Something just got “fixed around the policy”.
Kind of a drag, but not as bad as some huge endless war. Oh, I forgot, we’ve got one of those too. Shit.
peace,
jim
al-Scooter, first may I say what a remarkable nom de plume. Excellent choice. Many of us find ourselves on the strange side of the looking glass under current political circumstances. Welcome to my world. Of course in my case it helps greatly that I am mentally ill. Bipolar manic-depressive plus attention deficit disorder what is that SHINY thing? Yay! Boo. I keep trying to explain to people in my immediate family, a few of them get it, the rest feel like everything is pretty much fine, and will work itself out. &*@#$*&!!!!
I think it is time to stop fighting WAPO, take it for what it has become — a mouthpiece for the Administration — and ignore / dismiss it, just like most of us ignore / dismiss the Washington Times, the New York Post (at least this one is funny!) and assorted rags.
It is obvious that Howell, Hiatt, Little, and Brady take their clues from the power-that-be at WAPO. Otherwise, they would have been fired a long time ago.
The more we keep insisting that WAPO be the paper that we used to love and respect, the more attention we give it, and the more we play into the hands of the editors. Because, that is what, I believe, the powers-that-be at WAPO have in mind as a strategy. It allows them to curry favors with the Administration and it supports the circulation by keeping people screaming at the turn that WAPO has taken.
The best way to defeat that strategy is to ignore what WAPO puts out. WAPO is dead. Let’s bury it without honors.
egregious says: April 15th, 2006 at 4:49 pm
“leat” = “you”
“leibh” = “youse”
dead last says: April 15th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
We don’t need to think long and hard at all. The decision was made in November 2004, shortly after election day.
John Casper says: April 15th, 2006 at 4:42 pm
Neither of us know of course, but I think this is wishful thinking on your part. The part of Hersh that convinced me was the recounting that Bush felt no future president, Democratic or Republican, would have the courage to do what he was going to do.
Billmon has nailed it:
Death Of An American Newspaper
Ms. Hamsher, that could be the title of a book you and Ms. Smith write about the fall of a once-proud paper. Seriously, you two have solid minds, great writing skills, and a fine knowledge of the decline of this paper. You two think about it.
Some random thoughts:
1. Sometimes, when a heavyweight begins to fall…others think of striking up competition. It’s like an animal sensing that its prey is weak, it attacks. Could we possibly, on the far horizon, see a legitimate competitor spring up to this paper?
2. Almost as a sub-issue to #1…I wonder how this crazy schism of news reporting vs. editorial board sits with some of their ace reporters? Might some leave? Or might new talented blood veer away from taking a job there…they don’t want to be in the mess…and does this accelerate the paper’s decline?
3. If I owned the paper…I’d seriously consider junking the entire editorial thing. It’s ok to have columnists presenting varied points of view….but when your paper’s editorial position so drastically conflicts with solid news reporting…eventually people do one thing: they laugh at you. Laughter at the validity of a newspaper is a death knell…I’m starting to hear titters over these folks at this paper.
Oh well. Good reporting and good story Ms. Hamsher! Ghostman
dead last–we are the canaries in the mine, because we perceive that something terrible is possible. Most people do not get this. I try, every day, to talk with at least one person about politics–at THEIR level of understanding. Hard to restrain myself, yet need to work lovingly with other people as they are.
It’s a great privilege to be the canary. But painful.
angie says:
April 15th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
To add to the good advice posted above in response to your post, I can think of one or two possible calming agents: if you have some books containing some of my paternal grandfather’s illustrations, you might find a restful change of scenery – and if the skies are clear where you are, please look at the stars after twilight ends.
Great post Jane.
OT,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00213.html
===How To Steal an Election
It’s easier to rig an electronic voting machine than a Las Vegas slot machine, says University of Pennsylvania visiting professor Steve Freeman. That’s because Vegas slots are better monitored and regulated than America’s voting machines, Freeman writes in a book out in July that argues, among other things, that President Bush may owe his 2004 win to an unfair vote count. We’ll wait to read his book before making a judgment about that. But Freeman has assembled comparisons that suggest Americans protect their vices more than they guard their rights, according to data he presented at an October meeting of the American Statistical Association in Philadelphia.===
Above is entire text, but the graphic along side is a must read. For those of you who don’t want to get your mouse dirty over at WaPo, I made a .jpg of the graphic http://i8.photobucket.com/albu…..600213.jpg
DKD, I completely disagree.
The WaPoo is a HUGE player. Debbie is the ombudsman.
DKD, the WaPoo and the New York Times set the margin on what passes for “the left” in the corporate media. All the other corporate media outless line up “to the right” of them.
DKD, you wrote: “She couldn’t really do that and still keep her job, now could she?”
Did you bother to even read Jane’s post? It began with a quote from Upton Sinclair: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
DKD, have your heard of Dwight David Eisenhower? He mentioned something a long time about about the “military-industrial” complex. DKD, we got a whole lot of people on Republican Welfare hiding behind the imprimatur of the “objectivity” of the journalist, making comments with only their pocketbook in mind.
You appear to really, “not get,” how completely the corporate media frames the political debate in America. You also appear to really miss how courageous some of the WaPoo reporters are, because they don’t report what Hiatt, and Debbie want them to.
I’m out of here, but I’ll check the thread later for your response.
“…the complete fact-free vacuum that Hiatt seems to be locked in.”
Hmmmm, maybe Fred is thinking of running for preznit, as successor to our present “fact-free vacuum” preznit, and Debbie is auditioning as a replacement for Scottie McClellan in some future Hiatt administration?
What a great idea for a “Twilight Zone” episode. Rod Serling starts the episode by doing an opening commentary at preznit Bush’s 2001 inauguration, which would have ended with, “you have just entered the Twilight Zone” after Bush was sworn in.
Because it is obvious to anyone in the “reality-based community” of patriotic U.S. citizens that the “fact-free vacuum” that began with Bush’s inauguration directly contributed to or led to the 9/11 attacks occurring, the war in Iraq, the huge budget deficits, the huge trade deficits, the assaults on science, the assaults on our civil liberties, ad nauseum.
Yep, we all “entered the Twilight Zone” just over five years ago. But let’s pray to God there isn’t a sequel. Even nightmares end once one wakes up.
And more and more patriotic U.S. citizens are waking up from the Bush/Cheney/Hiatt/Howell nightmare, gasping in horror at all the evil being promoted or already initiated in the name of all Americans…and pledging never again to be fooled by those living in a “fact-free vacuum.” These people are dangerous. And our democracy already faces enough dangers. Let’s face the facts for a change.
Devil’s Advocate-
We’re in this mess because we let it go every time something came up that was wrong. No more letting it go.
egregious
My canary is on life support. Any ideas?
DKD @ 59 says:
She couldn’t really do that and still keep her job, now could she?
In fact, yes she can. Ms. Howell has crowed before about her guaranteed contract.
Jane, thanks for another great take down.
Maxfield Parrish?
On the other hand, I just read what AJ in #45 said, and those points were excellent. Ms. Howell ’s column basically ignored the key thrust of many complaints, including mine: a reputable paper shouldn’t publish editorials that present lies as truth. To not address that whole issue is infuriating.
egregious #64 and #68
You’re too kind! The Irish Lass has informed me that I’m taking her out to an early dinner, and I dare not risk the nano-nuke that’s sure to detonate if I disappoint her, so I’m off for a bit.
And I know all too well what happens to Cassandras. I’ve spent much of my working life in that role. Happy endings seem always to be reserved for others. But we have to be who we are. I hope some feeling of peace comes to you tonight and renewal tomorrow. Happy Easter!
“You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”
Mark Twain
OT but scary. The WaPo has a lengthy story about plans for Bird Flu: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00901.html
"Retired federal employees would be summoned back to work, and National Guard troops could be dispatched to cities facing possible “insurrection,” said Jeffrey W. Runge, chief medical officer at the Department of Homeland Security.Jane,
thanks for pounding my pet peeve…
This business of, if you are getting it from both sides you must be doing something right, is the biggest crock of shit.
No, what it means is that one side is very likley right and if you haven’t the brains to see who comes out on the right side time after time you should hang it up.
Yes, the hippies were right about Viet Nam and the liberals AND the American people were right about Iraq.(don’t forget most Americans didn’t want to go into Iraq.)
Valley Girl says:
April 15th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
The answer to your question is yes. His father, after whom I was named, was also an artist.
One the most concise statements I have read on fundamental failing in the Hiatt editorial was contained in a diary over at Kos.
Give it a look. Worth the read.
I assume that by publishing the news items debunking the uranium in Africa claim and the editorial claiming it is a valid claim WAPO is trying to boost circulation by attempting to be all things to all people… the end result will be nobody buying their rag.
Nicely put. Summarizes my feelings well. Is it really so much to ask that one of our premier newspapers does a good job in *all* departments? The Gelman/Linzer article is superb, and much of the paper’s coverage is fantastic. Doesn’t Hiatt realize he undercuts the paper’s credibility when he pens such drivel in an op-ed? Doesn’t Howell realizes she hurts her credibility and that of the paper when she offers such a bland, insultingly obtuse “play nice, now” judgment?
Perhaps others have heard it, but Lil’ Debbie’s phrase, “fraught with fraught” was a new one for me. A quick Google search revealed that she seems to like using it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..16_pf.html
http://postbulletin.typepad.co…..th_fr.html
Does it seem like Ms. Howell is projecting a little bit?
Jane, when I read Deb’s contribution this week, I thought, “oh, my, Ms. Hamsher will have fun with this one.” And you did an excellent takedown. But I think we’re done with her, don’t you?
Think she’ll change? No.
Think she’ll be shamed? No.
Think she’ll advocate for readers? No.
Think she’ll ever care? No.
She’s got a two-year contract. We’re just going to have to wait her out.
egregious: I think we are the canaries, too, and I don’t find others out of the-know who really grasp the big picture. I am losing heart at the moment.
Thanks, John Casper in #71, I do “get it.” I just thought Jane’s post took an artillery gun to a target when a smaller weapon seems more appropriate to me.
Just ran through the comments, but not sufficiently closely…. What strikes me about Howell, is not her maliciousness, but her cluelessness. She fancys herself as the tough-talking, “fuck”-saying, Real-Texas truth teller. But like McCain, her ability to talk straight is so skewed by ignorance, that her statements seem to be contrived partisan BS.
Sadly, I now pity her for her limits and revile her for her abuse of her position.
Jane -
What a shakedown. You’re on Fire!
Two posts one on “Good Leak” and the other on Howell.
First on Good Leak. In DC area, there are a few weekend talking shows (besides Sunday national ones) that play on local TV. A prominent one is “Inside Washington” hosted by Gordon Peterson (anchor for local ABC affiliate) and the panelists usually include (among others): Charles Krauthammer (wapo syndicated columnist), Mark Shields (syndicated columnist/PBS), Nina Totenberg (NPR) and Colby King (Wapo editorial board, signed columnist, pulitzer winner). This wk (this Sat evening), those were the panelists.
Peterson comes to the topic of Wapo’s Good leak editorial and Gelman’s front page story on the same day. He starts with Colby King. King takes a sip from his cup and says “As the Posts’ editorial page deputy editor, let me first drink some cool-aid and then say…”. He was devastating in his takedown. Totenberg howls with laughter and Mark Shields joins. King comes up with some lame explanation with a grin/smirk, while not believing anything he says. Nancy says” Come on, Colby, you can spit it out.” I mean, it was like it was rehearsed, but you can tell it was not. The point is, Hiatt’s deputy was making fun of the editorial on TV. Which means, that editorial had no credibility even with the editorial board.
Then Nancy cuts down Hiatt and then Shields does the same. Krautthammer spews out some of his usual nonsense.
Video and transcript will be up on wjla.com (abc channel 7 in DC) site maybe Monday or Tues. The video clip will be good for C&L.
DKD must not realize that Ms. Howell’s position is NOT head of the public relations department at WaPo, but that of ombudsman.
The very definition of an ombudsman includes the notion that she is there to represent the READERS, not to act as apologist for the godawful errors and intentional obfuscations of an editorial board which acts as propaganda organ for the White House.
There are ombudsmen at other papers which rake their own paper’s staff over the coals when such a response is warranted. That’s just part of the job description. [It’s also the reason why some papers resist HAVING an ombudsman in the first place.]
Any further obtuseness about so basic a point as this will be regarded by me as wilful and/or disingenuous ignorance.
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To all of you, my dear FDL friends, have a most happy Easter, or gut Pesach, or spring celebration. Let us love and enjoy the meaningful things of life this season, if for no other reason than to spite the evil operatives who worship nothing but mammon and Mars, the god of war.
We’ll go out of town on Tuesday for approx. 2 weeks, but I’ll try to log in here with Mr. K8’s company laptop (or a family member’s computer) in the interim.
PS, I therefore agree with John Casper above (as usual) but, tonight, without his passion.
And I think cathy at 73 is equally right.
Hi Vallley!!!!
I vote for ’stupid’. No, wait. I vote for ‘craven’. Wait. One more try. I vote for ‘dung beetle’, as in Deborah Howell is a dung beetle playing with her thoughts and words as if they were her poopoo. The fact that her writing is at all grammatically coherent is explained by the monkey-at-the-typewriter phenomenon. So that’s my final vote, ‘Dung Beetle at a Keyboard’.
Taylor #66
You are enlighted! So spend your time “thinking long and hard” about other things. But many out there are still fence sitting, did they or didn’t they. The Generals are saying they DID. These guys play chess with live ammo for a living. When they say the game is rigged, it must be serious. My question is how serious does it have to be before we take action? Any action? The only action I currently am taking is talking to freinds, contributing campaign funds (primarliy at Jane’s recommendation), posting to blogs, buying 1 rubber stamp, and trying to finish my taxes. Not a great patriot. My actions are not even equal of commensuate to my fears. How close are we to losing the war on freedom? I don’t even have a gun. See I am a liberal, I don’t believe in guns in the city. So who will be master and who will be slave? The generals don’t want to play that game and they are trying to stop it before it goes on too long.
Iran is bigger than Nukes. It doesn’t matter what type of weapon is used. It is not about American Imperialism — as only some selected shareholders of those who get the spoils will be the Imperialists. (DP World and allies? Halliburton? Carlyle Group?) All they need is global instability. Then they can put forward their own Prince of Peace to calm the masses and to subjegate the rest of us into metaphorical House of Israel/The Egyptian Years.
This is what Cheney wants. He has convinced Peter Pan Boy Bush that he gets to play the roll of Prince of Peace for real.
ben Bush versus bin Laden. Jesus versus Satan. This is the roll Georgie Porgie is playing. Cheney is just fucking greedy and mean.
OOohhhh, I knew this would be coming the minute someone mentioned that Little Debbie would be posting this Sunday. Jane, you are like the energizer bunny on the truth in media issue and it makes my day to read your wonderful, um, assessment. Taylor’s post on the Embassy is just heartbreaking especially when I think of the tens of thousands of women and children who have just evacuated and become homeless. The arrogance and inhumanity of this group is just breathtaking.
But, actually, it really isn’t anymore, is it? I find myself less and less shocked when these reports are published, and that is just so sad.
Can’t visit anymore, I have to go to bed. Everytime I do this sit-at-the-desk-and-run-the-weekend job, two or three times a year, I am reminded how much I love seeing patients. I worked a little overtime tonight and saved a visit for myself just so I wouldn’t miss out in it for the whole weekend.
Blessings for Easter, either the bunny and chocolate kind or the church and resurrection kind. Just eat some chocolate for me, m’kay?
Seeya Monday.
zen
ecoast—that’s excellent news. Ridicule is one of our most effective weapons. Hope Colby King has a guaranteed contract.
This is what Barney Calame , the NYT Ombudsman said about fact errors on the opinion pages:
Opinions expressed on the editorial and Op-Ed pages of The New York Times aren’t part of the public editor’s mandate. But the facts are. And so are corrections of any misstatements.
So when I discovered on Aug. 19 that Paul Krugman’s Op-Ed column that morning contained a sweeping assertion that was wrong in at least one respect, a formal correction was my sole concern. The column, which dealt with the controversial 2000 presidential vote count in Florida, also contained plenty of opinions critical of the outcome — but they weren’t the province of the public editor.
The problem was this sentence: “Two different news media consortiums reviewed Florida’s ballots; both found that a full manual recount would have given the election to Mr. [Al] Gore.” It was basically a sloppy generalization about a vote count that remains a hot-button issue for many readers. It turns out that both of the news media consortiums did statewide manual recounts with varying standards, and some of those scenarios made George W. Bush the winner.
For the sake of present and future readers, there seemed to be a need for a formal correction—one that is distinct and clearly labeled. Publishing a formal correction does more than alert readers of that day’s paper to an error. It triggers a process that appends it to the electronic versions of the article in NYTimes.com and in electronic databases. And as NYTimes.com expands, I think the value to readers of having corrections appended promptly to articles becomes quite significant.
Link – http://forums.nytimes.com/top/…..f779788/11
This is the Debbie Howell approach:
[I]t’s important to understand that I have no purview over the editorial policy of The Post. The editorial board makes policy, and it is not my job to second-guess it. But this case provides an excellent opportunity to point out to readers how reporters and editorial writers can see things quite differently.
Editorials and news stories have different purposes. News stories are to inform; editorials are to influence.
What a pathetic person she is. The FACTS in the editorial were wrong. What an embarrassment.
Here’s what we are to conclude in my view – the WaPo editorial board will not let the facts stand in the way of their opinions. The WaPo Ombudsman confirms this.
After all. news reports are to inform, and editorials are to persuade, and thus don’t need to be faithful to facts.
Amazing.
Larry,
Deb Howell is the Peter Principle in practice. She is not bad, not good — morally she is neutral. She is an eight year old girl.
Because being morally neutral in this fact environment is the same as living in the world of a third grader in which the most exciting thing currently on the table is whether the Easter Bunny is or is not your parents.
On Howell’s column:
Howell wrote in her “Good Leak” column for tomorrow’s paper:
Reader Thomas J. Cassidy of New York wrote: “Do the Post editorial writers read the Post articles before publishing their opinions? . . . It is understood and correct that editorial staff and news staff be kept at a distance. But it is not understood that editorial writers do not read revealing and well-researched articles by their reporters.”
Dkos diarist Charles C in a diary identified himself as that writer and wrote this in diary:
Here is the e-mail I sent to Howell, which she requested she be able to cite in her column:
“Are we to believe Geller and Linzer’s reporting or the Post’s lead editorial? They are irreconcilable. The Post’s already dwindling reputation for credibility is seeping away with the continued silence from the editorial board and the Post’s ombudsman. I hope you appreciate how
grave this situation is for the Post.”
Howell distorted and fabricated Charles’s email.
I corresponded with Charles this morning.
He has a series of PR actions planned.
If she did truly distort that email (as distinct from making a genuine mistake in mixing it up with some other person’s quotes)
she may be in trouble. Stay tuned.
dead last and curious cent tx re canary in the mine
We who perceive things early and who suffer are the forward scouts that will warn and protect others in the coming troubles.
It is very painful to feel things before other people do, and I have the psychiatric bills to prove it. But WE are the ones who will sound the alarm, observe that our beloved country is beginning to sink into quicksand. There IS time to save our nation. We must not lose heart forever–I lose heart every day–but it is necessary to dig deep for courage and carry on. If you have children, do it for them. If you have nieces and nephews or neighbor children, do it for them. Even if something terrible happens, they will need us to help them understand what happened, and how to go on from there.
Even if you think we are completely screwed, hang on out of love for the young ones. We know what is happening and they don’t.
And this paper helped bust Nixon? I guess everyone sold out. Huh, Woodward!
#73
I respectfully disagree with you.
I do believe that the owners and editors in chief at WAPO have made a choice to be the mouthpiece of the Administration, and that they count on readers like us, nostalgic that we are for the old WAPO, to raise hell, and therefore, continue to buy the paper.
Let us defeat them by boycotting the rag. The WAPO is a propaganda rag. Worthless.
I find that it helps to think of the Wapo as the Wapoo.
I vote for sloppy, stupid, craven, and probably compensated by other than the Washington Post.
This is what happens when the ,”Big Lie,” technique stops working and the only ones left believing it are the ones who created it in the first place!
Immanentize-
Deb Howell is the Peter Principle in practice. She is not bad, not good — morally she is neutral. She is an eight year old girl.
I actually have an 8 year old girl and she can be persuaded to have a moral opinion of anything I want her to have. It’s quite easy to convince her of anything, given a reasonably sane argument. So you are right, just like an 8 year old girl.
105: Deb’s said there are two entities: the WaPo and the WaPoO. Dead trees, pixels.
Back in the broohaha over Abramoff and Dems that Deb was promoting, I looked at her scribbling to what gives.
There WAS a job description posted adjacent to her text. It is ATYPICAL of what all here assume ‘ombudsman’ to entail. It does not comport w/reader advocate. More with ‘WaPo advocate/ejumicator/translator. Oh, and journalism explanator.’
I’d suggest ‘readers’ will continue to be disappointed in her responses if they expect a ‘traditional’ ombudsman role out of Ms. Howell.
According to my ex-girlfriend, it’s hard to get a man to understand anything, period.
*****!!!
Five stars Jane!!!!
WTF WAPO?????
THE PRESIDENT KNEW THERE WASN’T A NIGER-IRAQ ENRICHED URANIUM CONNECTION EVEN WHEN HE WAS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THERE WAS.
And even while declassifying a classified employee of the CIA possibly endangering our national security. Where is WAPOs “influence” in demanding an accounting of the consequences of Bushco’s leaking of Valerie Plame’s name?????
“In my line of work you have to keep repeating things…to catapult the [WAPO EDITORIAL BOARD AND OBUDSPERSON] propaganda.” Dubya in a rare moment of honest discourse.
Jane, we have to keep saying it over and over because whores like Hiatt and Howell will keep repeating the White House’s crap.
Give me a fucking break, too, Deborah Howell.
To add my two cents, there was nothing clumsy about Libby’s breakfast with Judyjudyjudy. The whole thing was a well-coordinated hatchet job.
the WaPooBlog has been hijacked and is open for comments at http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..aunch.html
I left them a link to this Hamsher post about the Hiatt/Howell imbroglio…
And frankly, I’m not taking the WaPo seriously until Woodward gives me a damn good reason for his continuing silence about his role in this whole affair.
ecoast –
Wooo hooo! Here’s hoping that the “series of PR actions” will take place in venues well-positioned to garner lots of attention.
egregious –
Amen to your post at 102! I have a great-great-great grandfather who fought in the Revolution. He was taken prisoner in NY and placed on one of the infamous British “prison ships” — where he suffered frostbite and borderline starvation. He was eventually part of a prisoner exchange.
What did he do when he came home from his hideous and brutal captivity? He signed up again, and went back out to fight on for the cause.
Let us never, ever forget the magnitude of the suffering and sacrifice which has gone before us. It is easy to get discouraged while living in a system designed to MAKE us discouraged; you are quite right that we must dig deep for the courage to fight on in spite of the darkness.
Bless you for that post! Your good and stout heart is inspiring to us all…
If you look at most of our modern institutions: government, media, corporate, there seems to be an air of willful self destruction about them. Everyone makes mistakes now and then. Everyone has missteps but to repeatedly make the same kinds of errors to the point where they become predictable indicates a sickness in the system. The realization that an initial mistake easily avoided will be followed not by a correction but a larger, more costly one has many of us out here wondering whatever happened to basic levels of competence and professionalism. Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Hiatt, Howell, and many other of our society’s leaders seem not so much detached from reality as at war with it. Their errors like their failures are distressingly unsurprising.
meet Danube “ahss”
same as the old boss
Lil’Debbie aka bongo brain.
Armando, that is sort of interesting, but apples and oranges, No? I mean, WAPO had an ombudsman way before the NYTimes — and I am one of those , like so many others urged the Times to follow the brave example of the Post.
Calame, of course is but one Times public editor and many including Atrios (and you?) roundly and appropiately criticized the previous, Okrent, for his partisan slant. These folks are individuals, they are not positions. No standards, to my mind, exist.
Therefore to critique a Post ombudsman based on a Times ombudsman quote is valueless.
as we speak, ABC-TV is broadcasting the film that turned Jack Abramoff to his religious roots: “The Ten Commandments” by Cecil B. DeMille. It is telling that this piece of pretentious Hollywood commercialism could be so powerful on young Jack’s psyche…
Okay, I had to write to Deb one last time, just to say bye:
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This one put me over the top, Debbie. I am sorry, put a fork in you, you’re done. There is absolutely no journalistic credibility left in your output. I understand now that you and I have completely opposed viewpoints of your job. Clearly, you’ll continue to do it your way until your contract runs out. I lose, you win! (Or maybe not. Maybe the Post loses, I lose, and you get to gorge on cocktail wienies!)
Nice knowin’ ya! It’s been a blast. For an eloquent summary of my views, I direct you to Jane’s latest takedown on firedoglake. Warning: there are swears in Jane’s post!
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But, now, I put aside my fascination with Debbie. No more!
Hi punaise! welcome back!
thanks TSF, it’s good to be back – I was in FDL detox, howling at the full moon in Death Valley!
just keep giving wapoop hell.
with the facts,
no embroidery necessary.
just
“give’em hell, jane”
eventually wapoop will cave.
but,
cave or not,
they need to be held accountable.
that’s what you are doing with your own op-eds, jane.
this kind of media criticism is a service to this nation.
and, no,
that’s not just sweet, sloppy praise from an admiring commenter,
it’s the god’s truth!
this nation badly,
badly ,
needs to hold
the corporate wapoop
and
the corporate NYtwiTimes
accountable for their political game-playing,
their self-serving obeisance to one of the most authoritarian presidencies in american history,
and
their reportorial cowardice in political reporting.
thanks, egregious for post #102. I’m going to save that post on my desktop for its affirmation, support and encouragement. I’m listening to the CD version of American Theocracy as I type this — I recommend it to all FDLers.
OT: Burns, baby, Burns….
probably late to the party on this, but it caught my eye:
GOP senator expects seven lawmakers headed to prison after corruption probes
RAW STORY
Published: Saturday April 15, 2006
A Republican senator told a town hall meeting on Friday that he expects at least seven lawmakers will go to jail in the wake of investigations related to convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and others, according to an Oklahoma newspaper, RAW STORY has found.
Speaking in Wagoner, Oklahoma, Senator Tom Coburn (OK-R) said that “if you’ve been keeping up with things, you’ve got a pretty good idea” who the unnamed lawmakers might be.
Tulsa World reports that Coburn indicated that six congressman and a senator would end up being convicted on corruption charges and that “members of both parties have been involved in questionable dealings.”
punaise,
Missed ya.
I agree with whoever it was above who said to ignore WaPo. I too long ago eliminated the bookmark, and for the NYT also. It’s a waste of energy to get all worked up over these people, a completely useless exercise. Things are way too far gone for us to be farting around showing how smart we are at catching liars in the newspapers! Come ON, please… leave the pathetic lying media alone and focus on how to bring down the bloody government … and how we can survive in our local communities with a devalued currency, an oil embargo, food shortages, and martial law.
See, that would be important.
welcome back Punaise! Hope the trek was a success!
125
tone poem?
An ombudsman is a person who is charged with representing the interests of the public/readers by investigating and addressing complaints reported by public/readers.
So please tell me again how she has represented the public’s interest here? I guess her definition of public means RoveCheneyBushco Q. Public.
Lastly, In Mr. Kurtz’s online chat this week, someone asked about Hiatt and he inferred that he wouldn’t be able to write columns as he did with “A Good Laugh..err I mean Leak” if Donald Graham didn’t approve. Let’s not forget that fact either and Powell wouldn’t be out there once again defending the indefensible if Graham weren’t behind this.
I think that when it comes to Howells, Mrs. Thurston Howell could do a better job as ombudsman of the Post.
You fail to get it. The job of the “ombudsman” is to defend the paper’s editors at all costs.
This is a wonderfully articulate article, Jane. While you’re capable of this anyway, I suspect it’s easier when you’re writing on this subject because it’s an issue you’ve had to address so often. You’d think someone besides us would read this and get the point by now. By the time they do you may be up for a Pulitzer or something.
One slight correction: It’s isn’t journalism at all, it’s thuggery.
off topic again I am, sorry
I have confirmed to myself that the president is a dispensationalist.
a movement intended to force the will of god, and bring on the battle of armageddon so they can go to heaven without suffering
pretty sick group of beliefs, that is for sure
Bienvenue en arrière Punaise, nous avons manqué le ya !
Funny you mention Death Valley – was thinking the wildflower extravanganza of last year would have an encore performance this spring -
hope you had a good time
hi imm, Siun! ….looks like y’all helped keep the place together….
salut cbl, il faut dire que j’ai ete tres decu par le manque de fleurs sauvages.
we musta been a couple of weeks too late, ’cause there were barely any flowers around at all. Plenty of desolate awesome open space, however.
RE AJ’s post #45
Well said!
How far a newspaper has sunk when an ordinary citizen must intruct them on the proper role, function and relation between reporter, editorialist, ombudsman and reader.
curious cent tx–”I’m going to save that post on my desktop for its affirmation, support and encouragement”
Your taking my post to heart will help keep me fighting against the darkness. Thank YOU.
Mrs K8–thank you so much and bless you and may the good Lord restore you to health, wholeness, and the peace which passes all understanding. We are not of this world, but we are here for now. Let us share with others what we can.
Coburn indicated that six congressman and a senator would end up being convicted on corruption charges and that “members of both parties have been involved in questionable dealings.”
Is Coburn not the one who is certifiably insane, believing as he does that elementary school bathrooms breed lesbianism?
DO 142,
yep, that’s the one. a grade A knuckle-dragger.
cathy @ 4:35 pm (#41) – Good point. Anyone who experiences cognitive dissonance under these circumstances should avoid reading the Wall Street Journal’s editorial pages (which I do, anyway).
It’s the complete lack of ethics involved when you just say something’s black when it’s clearly white that bothers me. I don’t mind when folks have differing priorities or outlooks, but just don’t sit there and tell me it’s sunny out when I’m standing in a downpour.
dead last–hang on. Your suffering is holy. To experience pain on behalf of others, even strangers, is worthy of honor. To observe your country sliding into the quicksand, and react with pain, that is a GOOD reaction. Good like in the Bible good. We fight not only flesh and blood but matters of the spirit.
I’ve been close to the edge not once but many times. Life for those who *see* is very painful. Yet we must try to carry on, for the benefit of loved ones who are bewildered by all that is happening to them. We have KNOWLEDGE. It is our solemn duty to live as long as possible to share that knowledge.
Chris Matthews has a show on at 6:30 on NBC on Saturday. I’d never seen it before. It’s really scary. He and Nora O’donnell are trying to show how the president is talking differently about Iran than Iraq and how he “hasn’t even mentioned a military option”. I swear this is like something out of a movie.
me to me @ 6:27 pm (#136) – pretty sick group of beliefs, that is for sure
Not to mention filled with some colossal assumptions.
* There is a god,
* He/She/It is the god they think it is,
* Said god actually gives a crap about these people,
* Said god hasn’t moved on from this sorry experiment to another one on another world,
* There actually is an afterworld that any of us would want to visit.
Another retired miliary officer says we are going to war with Iran. This is the guy who war gamed the happy days to come.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..html#a7928
I vote craven. and I was only half joking about this being tied to the stock price and someone selling short
Sunday’s NY Times editorial calls it A Bad Leak.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04…..6sun1.html
say, today is April 15….anybody heard from ccmask? I was hoping Bush would be out of office by now…..
dead last–We may or may not end up going to war against Iran. In either case those of use who are sensitive to unnecessary suffering have a critically important role to play. We need to speak boldly about the value of human life. The suffering of soldiers and innocent civilians needs to be expressed. If you can stand it, speak, and if you cannot stand it, come over and hide under the blanket with me. The world is too much sometimes. I often ask God why he made such a broken world.
punaise–so great to see you here again! For ccmask, depends on his/her time zone. If in the pacific, it’ll be another 5 hours. Important in life to learn to wait patiently. I am still trying hard to learn this.
cbl @ 6:56 pm (#149) – I’d vote “froth-mouthed lunatic”, but I’d have to write it in…
egrigious
the dark side is my hobby. if someone doesn’t express the pov, it lies dormant. for example, cnn international (above crooks and liars post) states at the end of the broadcast “the decsion to go to Iran may have already been made.”
Also, the reason I love Jon Stewart is when he was on Larry King a few weeks ago, Larry said that he must love what is going on becuase it gives Jon so much rich material. Jon turned to Larry and said something like “Please Larry. I have kids. I want them to live in a decent world. This is not about me making money.”
I have 2 kids (under 6). I am hopeful. I just think that if we don’t wear our dispair on our sleves, no one will think anyone cares…
Thanks for the upbeat messages. You are obviously a saint in the kurt vonnegut sense of the word (one who does nice things for others without any expectation of reward). send me a picture and I will put it in my shrine.
New thread from Jane. This time she’s taking on Bill Keller.
egregious: I often ask God why he made such a broken world.
If there is indeed a God — an issue about which I have doubts — then I believe our righteousness is judged by our responses to a broken world. It is hardly how we react in paradise that will be the measure of our worth, eh?
Still, it is an egregious arrangement….
#142-143 That’s a fine way to talk about (groan) my Senator
Wha!
They are wanting to have it both ways…does Libby’s defence know about this!
ditto dead last at 155. My son turns 5 next Thursday.
Do people like Howell think everyone is stupid or does she really believe this crap?
No one could be that stupid without being paid extra for it.
dead last–what goes into your shrine is a photograph of your beloved children. I keep photographs of my children right by my workplace to remind me why I need to keep going. But thanks for the encouragement. People who can encourage others are very special and very important. Thanks for helping me. Your kind words may resonate out to others that you will never meet, but still you will have an effect on them. Ripples in the pond.
imman–many, many conversations with God with my fist in the air. Why are you doing this to us? Don’t you love us? Don’t you care? Reference several angry Psalms, it is the human condition.
Egregious,
Gee. Of course, I could learn to like New Zealand…
Seriously, it’s odd to me how people even here at FDL still want to assign rationality to the Triumvirate in power, or debate whether the Office of President has the Constitutional right to reach out and bomb someone. It’s gone way beyond that, folks, and if the arc of Dick Cheney’s clinical impulses aren’t forcibly changed, it’s guaranteed that he will use tactical nukes. He has repeatedly stated his desire to do so and could not be talked out of using nuclear bunker-busters in Iraq. The only reason Iraq wasn’t nuked was because the particular weapons weren’t deployable yet:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/se…..weighs.htm
What exactly would people need to see to have it sink in that BushCo is a criminal organization that kills people?? And that they’re itching to use nukes? If we do nothing and let the Generals dangle out there with no expression of popular support, nukes will be dropped. It’s the nuclear element that the Generals are protesting, so questioning their motives is, some would say, counterproductive. Others might call it stupid or suicidal. The professionals are pushing the panic button in front of your eyes. The conflict with Iran is inherently nuclear, and if we don’t get rid of BushCo, they will happily bring it to mushrooming fruition.
To Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush, it’ll just mean more good loot, more dead bad guys, and the greater glory of Jesus. These people don’t do diplomacy. Get it yet?
TP: Next time, don’t insult Jane.
On second thought… gee, maybe it is a tossup between clueless and intentionally deceptive. I mean, Debbie does seem to be pretty stupid… and ignorant… and prejudiced… and narrow-minded… and… did I mention she seems to be pretty stupid?
MarcLord–i might be the passenger next to you on that ship to New Zealand. Pass me another blanket, will you?
We may indeed live under a government that is actually insane. The question is how to respond. While considering compatible other countries to live in, I also contemplate leaving behind a large number of beloved innocent ones who will not know what is happening, nor how to reassemble their shattered nation after the fall.
I am still bothered by Sy Hersh’s quote that Bush feels he has to be the one to take out Iran, because no future president “if elected” would be brave enough to do it. What’s with this “if elected” bullshit? Did Bush accidentally tell us something we aren’t supposed to know yet?
Jane – superb job as usual. I think little Debbie has nightmares about you!
egregious,
As Job’s wife said, “Curse God and die!”
Really the best quote in the whole bible.
…and Bush tells truth.
–Hugh 31
LOL. That cracked me up Hugh.
Great job as always, Jane.
imman–Excellent verse to express human anger against God. I always liked “Jesus wept.”
God suffered. Very strange.
166 Mash says:
April 15th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
TP: Next time, don’t insult Jane.
Sheesh, I wasn’t insulting Jane! I love Jane’s stuff. I was agreeing with her.
Read my post about Deborah Howell and maybe you will see the humor in my Dan Ackroyd reference.
Please don’t tell me we have lost our sense of humor and please uncensor my comment.
I read your post, Mash. It’s a very good read. The Firedoglakers should take a looksee.
Kitt, thanks.
Yup, here’s the irony of it. I wrote a open letter today to Comedy Central about why I think it incorrectly censored South Park, and here I am at Firedoglake getting censored for quoting Dan Ackroyd tongue-in-cheek in a comment in which I support Jane Hamsher.
My goodness, if this is the way we treat people who agree with us, we arent going to win any friends.
Who the heck censors someone without fully understanding what they are censoring.
This will be my last visit to Firedoglake. Hope to see most of you on other blogs.
Mash, alas it’s gone. You’ll have to repost the link. The troll stuff of late has everyone’s nerves on edge. Not to mention the greater world at large. Too quick on the trigger on my part. Sorry. Next time just don’t call Jane an ignorant sl*t, please.
Someone please tell me the rules.
Punaise 139 said: we musta been a couple of weeks too late, ’cause there were barely any flowers around at all.
It’s too early in one way: the rain was so late, they’ve hardly had time to get to blooming stage. No rain to speak of in the months of Jan and Feb, when the desert flowers need it most. Maybe next year, if we’re still here next year.
And yeha, I think our current maladministration is out of whatever mind it might have. Cue the guys in the white coats!
Q: How does out little Debbie defend the editorial in last Sundays Washington Post about The Good Leak: Which was completely refuted by a front page story on the same day?
A: By acting like the Washington Post is the FBI before September 11th when the Criminal side could not enter act with the Foreign Counter Intelligence side because of a legal wall. Wake-up Debbie its a newspaper not a member of law enforcement. One might think that someone at the Post might have a brain bigger than a Snow Pea rolling around inside their little head and asked why don’t we check our facts. That wouldn’t be right because the Washington Post is always right when its wrong.
Mash, I also went over to your blog, and posted a comment, but it seems to have been eaten.
-Mash- I’m the person responsible, and I sincerely apologize. I sent you a couple of emails after I saw your comment. In one of them, I said that yes, I had temporarily lost my sense of humor (what with all of the trolls at FDL lately, along with the world situation). I also noted in my email that I hadn’t ever seen SNL, as I lived in the UK during that whole time, but having seen the comment about SNL, I was sure Jane would have found it funny. And, I see, as Jane says above, that she did find it funny. Again, my sincere apologies.-
Hey, Mash,(via your link) get in line with the “big crush on Jane Hamsher”. ;o)
Very nice of you, Jane, to have sent a prompt reply to Mash about the unfortunate misunderstanding. You’re a heck of a good egg.
I went and read Howell’s article. I, too, think that she was trying to be fair on this one. She deserves praise when she’s trying.
TP, I got your emails and comments and I sent you an email reply. In short, my last post says it all. My crush on Jane just got bigger and Kitt, I’m guessing I get to cut in line a little :)
Can we now get back to taking our country back?
Excuse me, I am in DC? Are you, ahem, serious?
Well, my small contribution was to write an email (and post on their blog) the following:
Dear Ms. Howell,
I am amazed at the contortions you go through to try and repair the damage inflicted by “A Good Leak”. Today’s article only reinforced the view that the Post Editorial Board is a Joke.
Finally, I can see that my nomination of the Post’s Editorial Board as the Buzzflash “GOP Hypocrite of the Week” is well earned:
http://www.gophypocrites.com/2006/04/hyp06015.html
I was not suprised to see that they agreed with me and made the Post’s Editorial Board, this week’s winner.
Angrily,
Ron Russell
I know of about a dozen folks on this blog (from the comments I have read to date) who could have done a better job on the original nomination. I only wish someone had, as that was a good forum to ridicule what needs to be ridiculed. The WAPOOO has gone beyond shills into the territory of a laughingstock.
I emphatically agreed with your nomination to BuzzFlash, Ron. In fact I sent the link to one of my favorite not-recognized-enough-blogs, Moxie grrrl. She posted what I sent to her and the BuzzFlash link.
troll
j. west says:
Stop listening to Hannity, he’s rotting your brain.
You defence is that Wilson said their was a Niger deal? Have you read the Nick Kristof article?
Put down the reefer man!
darn, and I was in a fighting mood too!
There’s another reason to keep calling the WaPo to account. Right-wing newsrags play on its “liberal” reputation when they are quoting ignorant or deliberately false WaPo representations to back up their own positions.
Just this last week, the ever-clueless and ultra-right San Diego Union-Tribune referred (in its own editorials) at least twice to the WaPo in order to back up whatever dull point it was trying to make. In one case, the U-T specifically noted that the WaPo was a “liberal” newspaper, and that “even” the liberal WaPo had come down on the side of the righteous righties.
Not only do the WaPo idiocies get repeated in other newspapers, but the extinct “liberal” label is plastered on top of those idiocies. That makes it appear that Progressives are actually endorsing a right-wing position.
What the WaPo says doesn’t stay with its readers. Its tentacles are long and venomous.
A good leak!
A good leak.
Damn the devil! Damn the devil to hell!
Happy Easter, these folks should have shame.
A lie, and a leak, and a plot…to WAR. To death. To suffering.
Wake up right, you are not righteous. Your with the devil in disguise.
Jane,
Thank you for your excellent rebuttal of Howell and Hiatt. Until the advent of the internet and blogs like yours the MSM has been virtually unchecked in their definition of history. They have become lackeys for their fascist leaders and don’t appreciate being called on it.
In times like these I like to repeat to folks my extension of Voltaire’s quote thusly…
Sanity, like history is a lie commonly agreed on.
You give me faith that I might not be crazy….Bless you.
You don’t have any facts on your side Jane. The Butler commission which investigated British prewar intelligence said the Niger uranium report was “well founded”. Joe Wilson himself reported that an Iraqi commercial delegation went to Niger to discuss trade with a country that exports goats and Uranium. And we did find enriched uranium in from their mothballed nuclear weapons program:
Bush might have been wrong about the WMD’s and the yellowcake, but he wasn’t making it up. And it wasn’t like he was accusing Mother Teresa either. He was accusing a serial mass murderer of going on a new crime spree. The fact that Saddam was innocent of the new charges is no reason to weep for making him answer for his lengthy history.
I can respect a position that is anti-war no matter what the facts. I can’t respect an arguement that tries to rewrite what happened. Bush was wrong on the WMD, but he was as surprised as anyone that none were found. I’d also like to point out that not one former Clinton administration national security or defense official has critisised Bush for being wrong on WMD. They all thought Saddam had them too.
I still think that Hiatt is serving as a stalking horse for Donald Graham, the owner of the Post. Katherine must be spinning in her grave these days.
I can respect a position that is anti-war no matter what the facts. I can’t respect an arguement that tries to rewrite what happened. Bush was wrong on the WMD, but he was as surprised as anyone that none were found. I’d also like to point out that not one former Clinton administration national security or defense official has critisised Bush for being wrong on WMD. They all thought Saddam had them too.
Sorry, but this is complete horsesh**. Bush wasn’t just wrong about the intelligence – he cherry picked the intel and sold the war like a used car. He never looked the American people in the eye and told the truth – the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth. And when you are sending our sons and daughters into war, that is the very least you owe. And for heaven’s sake, BUSH is the one who took us to war, he is who launched it and HE is responsible. Not Clinton, not intel agencies from other countries. HE is the one who decided. Bush’s motto should be “The Buck Never Stops Here”. He and CHeney and Rummy and ROve and Condi spun us, told us it would be easy, smeared anyone who doubted them, and got us into this disaster. I cannot respect anyone who excuses that.
Had a busy Saturday so I’m just getting a chance to do some FDL catchup.
Jane, I think this was one of your best posts, it clearly lays out the facts and just decimates the WaPO’s credibility (again). As someone said the said the other day, if it’s not journalism going on here, it’s journalistic forensics, which (aside from fixing the voting machines) is about the most important piece in reclaiming our democracy. I say keep your heel on their neck and don’t let them get up.
Thanks Jane for some excellent work here.
Maybe this is slightly off topic, but Robin Williams isn’t the source of the denial/river in Egypt comparison. Most quote collection pages credit Mark Twain with the quote, “Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.”
And that is the version most often used in 12-step rooms.
Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
The WP editorial; like the cereal Trix is just for kids. You shouldn’t like the GOP because they kill puppies. It may not be true but apparently it should still be okay in the editorials. I’m just trying to to influence.
When your defense has to sink this level, you truly are ignorant or craven. It’s disgusting to see in America.
I have to give D Howell some credit. I sent her this email, (response is noted in the article. I sent these communications to Hiatt. This to editorialist and associate editor David Ignatius. No comment on the WAshington Post editorial page. I do believe all of the questions raised above need to be consistently answered. And I believe the Post has done a poor job of covering (critical) underlying elements of the wiretap issue.
(sent to . These and this to Ignatius, which questions are to the paper as well). Frankly, they need to be raised directly with the newspaper by more sources/readers.
I don’t know why this post keeps getting messed up, but some (links) ARE TO FRED HIATT AS WELL.
I have not read Hiatt’s editorial yet. but since when does information get “declassifie” to like three pople, rather than to the whole country? and wasn’t the point about the leak that the administration claimed it had no knowlege of any leaks whatsoever?
we should probably consider the lines of succession right now
we need to begin recall proceedings, as our congress people haven’t done anything that could be considered active to start fixing the mess that they have made?
it does appear that the people in the line of succession are also criminals, and this is disturbing to anyone but the other criminals that will benefit from their pals being the ones to determine their punishments. which of course doesn’t make any sense to us, but loads to them.
we are unraveling the details, the government is unraveling themselves
best someone is prepared. For the first time, it does appear that we have to recall the entire executive, impeach at least one, probably 2 incompetents in the judicial, and the feds are going to be arresting many in the legislative. The ones that get spared, and are in the line of succession, are deeply troubling, as most have criminal issues pending for them as well.
we have a lot of trouble before we can have a tea party.
I have finally figured Howell out.
The Washington Post Electronic doesn’t have a comics page…and she’s attempting to fill in the lack of comedical relief.
Jane:
Your intelligence and talent are breathtaking. I was with two college friends on Friday who now work at the Post. They read you, some respect you, some fear you, but they read you. I am so glad you’re on our side.
Wow. Absolutely true. The POst is post-truth these days and that skanky hag, ‘Lil Debbie, is part of the problem. I wish I had the gumption to sit and tear apart the lies and distortions of the right wing and their whores in media like Jane does in this blog entry. But alas, I must be content to read the excellent blog entries such as this.
Just look at ‘Lil Debbie: She’s hideous and clearly affected by a lack of fat, as are most of the other republican anorexic “females” who infect the media.
Why attack their looks? Because facts dont matter to republipigs. Regardless of what liberals want to believe, truth won’t will, hard work will but most of us are too lazy to fight anymore.
Crackbaby
Hiatt would not have been influenced by the article in his own paper if he had seen it in advance according to the Ombuds. The article in question being one that destroys his argument, at least to anyone able to read.
The Ombuds does not consider that this juxtaposition requires any further comment. In fairness, perhaps she likes her job more than her credibility. Those must be some amazing wienies.
The good thing is that they don’t hide things anymore, they remind me of an adolescent who decides its ok to smoke in front of his/her parents.
it appears that our Not Entrely Fearless Leader is …jane h.i became an idolator of jane’s 2 yrs ago after reading her hilarious hollywood truth crazier than fiction memoir KILLER INSTINCT.imagine my savage glee a few months back when an idle google turned up firedoglake…we must be in Heaven.
Another applicable quote:
“Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not their own facts.” – Senator Moynihan
Howell seems to be confused, that a license to influence by an editorial board means they cant be criticized for abusing their position. She also appears to believe its entirely appropriate for the Editors to have their own facts completely different from the rest of the newspaper on account of choosing different sources. If the paper isnt a good source of fact for the editors why should anyone else trust the paper?
Dialogue des sourds (French) a discussion in which neither party listens to the other (literally, dialogue of the deaf)
This is what the WaPo is doing all of the time. The other major papers too. They report the lie and the truth at the same time. The lie receives prominent attention above the fold page one, the truth appears on A-23 below the fold one column inch. This way they can always claim that they were deceived, but reported the facts accurately on or about the same date. Another stunt over at the NYTimes is for lies they are caught in, they apologize, but then continue to tell lies until caught the next time. There is no integrity, no honor, nor honesty by doing so, but the publishers seem to believe that it works.
What continues to trouble me is why so many publishers decided to abandon the American people to fallible and corruptible leadership by divorcing itself from its role as the Fourth Estate. The entity that was supposed to provide Americans with honest information so that we could make informed decisions regarding how our government is run and inform our understanding of the world. With so many people in the media making a living as professional liars the only choice one has is to believe none of them, right, left or middle.
Who decides what the left side of an issue is and what is the right? Who decides what the moderate view is? Our nation has been pulled so far to the right that I’ve read fools who refer to the Wall Street Journal and General Motors as left wing organizations. The only people who would refer to them as left wing would have to be fascists, (extreme, radical or militant right,) and would have us believe that they are simply the right.
***Tenet said they never should have been included in the first place.***
Because it wouldn’t have made any difference. This has not ‘only’ been a war against ‘Iraq’. It is a war on terrorism. Islamic fundamentalism breeds from the middle east. It has no borders. Iran and Syria have always been a part of our plan.
I hear voices here that are solely hell bent on the destruction of this administration. Why would you have such a huge problem with us trying to undermine the leadership in Iran, when you folks here are trying to do the same thing to the Americans and their leadership?
Do you ever stop and wonder why you spend so much time trying to find ways to undermine America, the troops, and our administration, and not the Jackals that preach hatred and the killing of ‘non-beleivers’? Do you have anything bad to say about the people that set off bombs in crowded buses or restaurants?
You might try to look a little farther and deeper than your hatred allows. We have a country and a free way of life to protect. You’re either with us, or against us.