
One point keeps coming across loud and clear to me in this particular filing from Team Libby — this is as much a public relations campaign for Libby and the Bush Administration as it is a vigorous legal defense against criminal charges. The hand of Barbara Comstock is really apparent in this particular document, I have to say, in the recitation of detailed factual presentations destined for public posting and media and blog dissection – it does give everyone a lot for the public consumption end of things, doesn’t it?
Reader Immanentize picked up on the same vibe:
I am very surprised at how much the defense is arguing about facts in its filings. In the discovery period, it is normal to have a decent amount of give and take, but not at such a detailed level of fact dispute. For example, one might argue about whether a document produced by the government is relevant to the defense, but rarely would a good defense attorney spell out in detail why factually it was relevant. I know I have given up some defense ideas and arguments to get additional documents from the government, but never like this. And I don’t think it has to do solely with the amount of money Irving has to play with.
It seems to me that the Irving defense team is purposefully arguing out the facts and getting it into the media, rather than the other way around (which is what you suggest). By that I mean, the media is reporting these details (which you rightly describe as unintellible to the uninitiated) because team Libby has sufficient access to get them to do it. I am beginning to think that Libby’s defense is entirely out of court and that his filings are playing to that jury, not the judge in federal court or the unltimate jury of his peers I hope he someday faces. Taken in this light, I see two external defense strategies:
1) Freak out the White House to get the pressure on for a pardon. After reading the recent revelations? that Scooter is really disliked by all and had no natural constituency in the White House (outside of Dick, perhaps, but that seemed more fuctional than close loyalty based) it would be one of my goals to send strong messages that my client should not be forgotten. Nor should he be presumed to be a total team player at this point unledss the team takes one for him.
2) The publicity is having just the effect you describe: if you tried to explain the significance of this to someone who hasn’t paid attention to the case, you are simply going to get some eyes glazing over and a “huh?” This “HUH?” effect is very useful to Libby. Most people have stopped talking about his lies and obvious perjury before the grand jury and are now in a confused muddle about whether he did or did not leak Plames name and if he did whether that was authorized and if it was authorized, by whom….
This is the place Irving Libby would like best to be.
The big question in my mind is: who is really the intended audience for this particular filing — the public at large or George Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove? If it’s the latter, it’s an awfully ballsy step for someone whose former boss is as low in the polls as he has ever been and who is, reportedly, no longer basking in the glory of Bushie’s love.
And if it’s a veiled threat that a pardon had best be in the offing or Karl Rove and George Bush will have to do their own explaining, let alone that Cheney had best use what little influence he has to strong-arm on Irving’s behalf – one has to wonder a coupla things: (1) How much of this particular strategy will have come from Comstock, who is reportedly working the Administration’s interests end of the bargain for Libby? and (2) Has Karl already chartered a bus with Libby’s name on it and, if so, when can we expect it to come driving by?
One other reminder, courtesy of reader Jim Preston:
On the Libby/Fitz Filings. I haven’t read everything yet but it is important to notice the emphatic discussion of “Plame’s name” in the WaPo article this morning. Remember that it is entirely possible to identify Ms. Plame without the use of her “name”. This cute parsing was already performed with considerable aplomb by Karl Rove: “I didn’t know her name. I didn’t leak her name.” Whenever you hear the word “name” in the discussion of the Plame affair, your ears should prick up and you should realize that someone is about to try and play you. Never forget that you have to parse every word that comes out of the administration very carefully. They don’t think you are smart enough to do it, and they are right that not everybody is, but unless you make a serious attempt, there is not even a reasonable discussion going on.
Careful reading of the quotes in the media articles is essential — especially when you are dealing with such slippery parsing of vocabulary.
We certainly live in interesting times, don’t we?
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I wish the Judge could make the ‘gag order’ include requiring ol’ Scooter to have to wear a Pink Ball Gag around in public!
:-) Cuts a great visual image!
Metoo
Jane, thanks for highlighting this. I’ve been thinking the same thing. Has anyone asked Bush yet about whether he would pardon Libby? Libby’s defense is now creating some heat for the Bush admin, so I’ve been wondering if they would turn on him or whether his case was really designed to try this case in the court of public opinion. Surely Cheney, Bush, Rove and Libby must all have some sense of what Fitzgerald has. My impression of Libby had been that he’d fall on his sword, but that could be wrong.
As usual, you highlight key questions. This continues to be interesting… but boy, Fitzgerald just gets more and more impressive, doesn’t he?
Gah! Sorry! Christy. You both do such great work… ;-)
I would love to be a fly on the wall in Pat’s office.
this is as much a public relations campaign for Libby and the Bush Administration as it is a vigorous legal defense against criminal charges.
You’d be hard pressed to find anything that the Bush Administration does that ISN’T a public relations campaign.
“You’d be hard pressed to find anything that the Bush Administration does that ISN’T a public relations campaign.”
First President in U.S. history to have the hardcopy federal budget document festooned with gauzy photo-op pictures of Hiz Bad Beloved Leader Self, about 30 pages worth.
Just heard on NBC Nightly News that NBC news employees bought flash drives at a bazaar in Afghanistan that — get this — contain thousands of files of confidential military information — info about interrogators, strategy memos, location of jammers to prevent mortar attacks, etc etc.
It seems that these flash drives were easily accessed by Afghanis working on base, they pawned them at the bazaar, and our military secrets are now out in the open.
How much more stupid can these guys be????
The video will be up at 10p eastern on the MSNBC/Nightly Web site.
Not being a lawyer, yet being a keen student of human nature, Redd:
1) The public doesn’t matter…The facts and of the case are rapidly becoming too arcane for non-professionals (no doubt, a defense stratagem), and Libby is not sympathetic enough to warrant a mass media human interest angle.
Thus…
2) Who else can Libby turn to but his accomplices? Specifically, those who are in a position to ‘Weinberger’ his ass at the critical moment of escape.
The current administrational disarray makes it a complex timing issue as to when, but it is when, and not if he gets a pardon that would be the angle played internally by Libby’s people.
What might be seen to be required here is a definitive settling of the issue by the prosecution…Establishing in the public mind guilt, rather than just general, yet unfocused revulsion at a son of privilege who dabbles in pornographic novels involving contrived bestiality.
The longer the dance is drawn out, the greater the opportunity for Libby to finagle a pardon from his masters, as there is no incentive for him to ‘fall on his sword’ in order to be taken care of later.
He’s not hard enough to hack a protracted spell of incarceration, in my opinion.
‘Spelt Libby, not Liddy’
;>)
never forget that it was Attorney Scooter Libby himself who was the mastermind of the Bill Clinton last-minute Presidential pardon of convicted financier Marc Rich. That was a mixture of good lawyering and good political string-pulling. At the time, the wingers screamed bloody murder about it …
So, if the Libby defense subpoenas Bush and Cheney to testify and they cite “Executive Privilege/National Security” and refuse, will this Supreme Court back their play? And, if they do, does the case go away (”can’t get a fair trial”), no pardon needed?
Centrist Dem Bashing log 15.54.46.13.04.06:
Another reason IMO for Dems to make public issue of poor Bush performance and weak credibility on Iraq and national security. Pardon will be difficult enough politcally as it is. Those in position to do so, need to make it a politically nasty as possible for BushCo to pardon. That means more focus on BushCo dishonesty on leaks and national security. Shouldn’t focus Libby to extent that Dems can be accused of trying him in public. But if defense using this stage of trial to confuse public with more chaff and disinformation, and to implicitly threaten WH with political damage at trial, this needs to be publicly countered.
Team Libby doesn’t cae about the public — the audience they are trying to impress are the media stenographers, and their co-conspirators in the White House.
It is clear that Karl Rove saw Libby walking around with a hard-on for Joe Wilson and cheered him on with attaboys as Libby took the lead in punishing Wilson. After Libby broke the news about Valerie Plame, Rove was there to second it to Cooper and others, probably Novak. Rove was trying to insulate himself by making sure that Libby was the guy on point.
This filing was a message from Libby to Rove, et. al., that Libby will not go quietly. Perhaps Libby is trying to figure out if he will get a pardon, but he has got to know that he can’t trust Rove, et. al., to get him one.
I think his strategy is to try to make it hard for Fitz to prosecute him, and failing that, secure the promise of a pardon before Bush leaves office.
Oh, did the MEK break out of ‘prison’ already? They were being held close to the border of Iran and just by coincidence, also close to a stupendously huge ammo supply. They were being guarded by a handful of people who were likely paid to look the other way.
So…we’re paying terrorists to fight ‘terrorists’ and planning to pre-emptively use nuclear weapons because the Iranians -might- develop a nuclear weapon in the next few years. Um hm.
Iran is a threat to Israel. Does that make it our fight? Our dead soldiers? Our legless and traumatized kids? It is possible to separate out what benefits them and us. Waiting to be flamed as ‘anti-Semitic.’
I’ve gotta take a break. my brain hurts. EPU’d from last thread:
Absolutely and completely OT. Found this at Corrente. Take a break from serious stuff and check it out.
http://highclearing.com/index……04/07/4991
Christy,
I completely agree with Immanetize, and it is one more puzzle piece that answers the question that has always been bothering me about the Libby defense. That question is:
How can Libby ever make the ‘I was too busy to remember’ statement in his own defense, without being subject to devastating cross-examination?
I take it for granted that Libby absolutely cannot get up on the stand in front of Fitzgerald to answer questions. It would be utter insanity for his lawyers to allow him to do so — if you were comparing the Plame affair to a minefield; there is almost no possible path that you can walk through it without stepping on a mine. In ordinary prosecutions it would be bad enough, but it’s clear that in this particular case Fitzgerald knows every nook and cranny of the case.
So, how to make the defense otherwise? You can’t just put the PDB’s up on an easel and say “See? He must have been too busy to remember.” You can put his assistants on the stand (I suppose) to say that “My, he seemed awfully preoccupied”, but I don’t think that that would be very convicing to the jury — especially if Libby is sitting right in front of them (as he no doubt will be.)
I just can’t think of a way to make the claimed “too busy to remember” defense in the courtroom. But, as stated in the lede here, the target of this defense is not the courtroom, and the normal rules of evidence and cross-examination do not apply.
I’d be curious if you had any insight into this, Christy, from a prosecutor’s point of view.
Thad Beier
[btw — this new comment system is fan-tastic!]
Regarding the NBC Nightly News story, with the flash drives found in a Kabul market, they are only pushing one side of the story: viz., the terrible security breach.
The other story is that it just so happens that the flashdrive that NBC purchased had memos on interrogation techniques as well as many torture photos. NBC says “it isn’t certain who performed the torture”. What, are they running a free clinic at Bagram Air Base and anyone with burns and lashes across his back can just come in for treatment?
Email “chief investigative correspondent” Lisa Myers to insist she tell the rest of the story. This could very well be another Abu Gharaib.
egregious -
The Israelis are utterly committed to fighting Iran — to the last American soldier, sailor, and airman.
Could Fitzgerald be holding off indicting Rove as a hedge against a pardon for Libby?
BobbyG
So are we, so are we… Bush said so the other day. ;(
Wow. It’s pretty hard to believe that the cabal will come apart here. I mean, Libby seems like a company man. It just seems out of character for BushCorp to start eating their own. But damn if it wouldn’t be entertaining. I’m just saying it’s too good to be true.
*ilson46201 mentioning Marc Rich made me refresh by looking at the Wiki entry an came across this:
“On January 20, 2001, only hours before leaving office, President Bill Clinton granted Rich an extremely controversial presidential pardon. Since Rich’s former wife and mother of his 3 children, socialite Denise Rich, had made large donations to the Democratic Party and the Clinton Library during Bill Clinton’s time in office, Clinton’s crited alleged that Rich’s pardon had been bought. Clinton explained his decision by noting that similar situations were settled in civil, not criminal court, and cited the clemency pleas from Israeli government officials, including Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Federal Prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed to investigate. She stepped down before the investigation was finished and was replaced by James Comey. Though Comey was critical of Clinton’s pardons, he could not find any grounds to indict him on.”
***
Nice to see James Comey’s name appear, but what potential crime(s) involving use of presidental pardon were being investigated ?
BobbyG 8:
First President in U.S. history to have the hardcopy federal budget document festooned with gauzy photo-op pictures of Hiz Bad Beloved Leader Self, about 30 pages worth.
In the budget? Fercryingoutloud. I was in the state Capitol here in Cali recently, and couldn’t help gagging at der Gropenfuhrer’s numerous glossy self-promoting photos adorning the walls, but at least that was a more or less logical place for them.
But the budget. Truly, these folk are stranger, and worse (or as Alice would say, worser and worser), than whatever we can imagine about them.
“Nice to see James Comey’s name appear, but what potential crime(s) involving use of presidental pardon were being investigated ?”
Bill Clinton was an elected Democrat President.
Can’t remember where I read it yesterday, but someone was reminiscing about Watergate — how it seemed such a complicated story that the public couldn’t “get” — but then all of a sudden it had become the hottest contest in town. (Do you really think this is any more arcane and difficult to understand that sports box scores? Really?)
The same thing is beginning to happen here.
And my question is — would Bush really have the power to pardon at this point? Now that he’s tied in to the whole mess (see Sidney Blumenthal’s column at Slate today), is his pardon power worth anything in this equation? As the filings go on, and people see more and more of what actually happened — and watch the President blandly admit that he is in fact Leaker-in-Chief — Libby’s pardon card looks more and more worthless.
And that’s been the gamble from the beginning, IMHO. Fitz laid out part of the big picture in the indictment, and Libby’s lawyers’ filings are putting more nuance and detail on the picture, directly and (thanks, Fitz) indirectly. Even when they’re trying to obfuscate, they’re illuminating it.
Makes you think there really is something in Justice.
angie -
The Israelis would rather jump in from the sidelines and throw a few punches, if the opportunities arose once WE started the fight. They know that, were they to act offensively and unilaterally, all hell would break loose against them from everywhere in the Islamic and Arab world. Times are WAY different from the days of Osirak. The region-wide sense of ill-will is palpable and growing.
Are people sure that it is Israel that is committed to fighting Iran? Juan Cole’s blog reports that even Israeli intelligence and military are questioning BushCo’s approach. Maybe BushCo is is listening to the wingnuts left in the Likud party, which has turned into a real rump party of extreme extremists. I don’t think that makes any difference to BushCo, but I cannot believe all of Israel leadership so foolish.
*ilson – Ha/grrr
OfT: From today’s WSJ:”The Minority Maker”
“The clever GOP strategy for defeat in November.” April 13, 2006 “If Republicans lose control of Congress in November, they might want to look back at last Thursday as the day it was lost. That’s when the big spenders among House Republicans blew up a deal between the leadership and rank-in-file to impose some modest spending discipline…..”
http://www.opinionjournal.com/…..=110008226
BobbyG @ 28– yes.
I posted this on the last thread courtesy of Dru–
http://www.iran-interlink.org/…..060306.htm
Leslie in CA
“In the budget? Fercryingoutloud…”
—
Yep. He routinely barges in to hog the photo-op spotlight everywhere. He recently had pics of His Bad Self put in the annual Commerce Department/ASQ Baldridge Award ceremony.
I’d argue that the public view of the case does matter, if only because the WH decision calculus re: a pardon would entail some political cost to be borne. The public wouldn’t have to support a pardon, but enough of it would have to be sufficiently indifferent that it would be perceived as a non-event.
The other side of that coin is that Libby might not be found guilty or might not have started serving his sentence by January 2009, when GWB would be able to “Marc Rich” him.
If you were Libby now, how many of the above factors (verdict, sentencing, potential appeals, timing, future GWB JAR level and WH risk tolerance) would you be comfortable forecasting? Anyone for some Bayesean analysis?
angie -
Oh, jeeez… is “Reza Pahlavi” “Ahmad Chalabi” spelled backwards in Farsi?
in 1776 we fought our Revolution to replace a monarchy with a republic. In Iran, the US govt now seems to want to overthrow a republic to replace it with a monarchy. Sensitive seismographs near DC are already picking up the furious spinning in the graves of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Franklin, et al …
Clever scientists at the University are attempting separation of uranium isotopes at the tomb of Jefferson using the ultra-high-speed rotation going on inside the coffin.
egregious 16
I don’t see how Israel would gain one iota from a US attack on Iran. Say what you will about them, they are not stupid. They would know that the blowback would be enormous, and they do live in the neighborhood. Covert support and encouragement of groups like M.E.K & the Reza Pahlavi club (no love lost between those two groups, since the founders of M.E.K played a pivotal role in the overthrow of the Shah in ‘79 – ’tis interesting that the Israelis are playing with both) to harrass the Mullahs. If they could manage (with the help of the US) to provoke an internal rebellian, so much the better for them – that would be an added bonus.
I don’t really think open warfare is Israeli style; in the end they would be happy with diplomatic containment of Iran. They are much more comfortable meddling in ME politics covertly.
My suspician is that Washington (Cheney et al) have gotten so out of hand they won’t even listen to Israeli advice. They are bound and determined to do it their way. Period.
There has been much made in these posts about Team Libby’s strategy but not enough about what Fitz’s strategy is. I believe he knew all along that there would be a knock-down drag out about classified documents in this case as well as the specter of trying to force a Bush pardon if the case cut too close to the bone. The Beauty of a perjury charge is that he can argue from a relatively narrow set of facts without the greater discovery elements that would force a presidential pardon. Give this guy credit, he knows what he’s doing and he knows what slimeballs he is up against.
Memo to Chris Matthews: who has contributed to Scooter’s defense fund and why have they done so. Van Dehei, schmidt; anyone?
BobbieG– yep, and keep reading all the way down. I promise that when you read this and along with Larisa’s article at Raw Story, and the Guardian article you will become sickened……
OfT: Anyone got an address(es) where I can email/snailmail a thank you to the three retired Generals who have called for Rumsfeld’s resignation?
JC–Make that give generals. Yea…
oops–make that five generals. Proofreading is good, previewing is good….
John Casper – it is now 5 retired generals. The most recent was a Gen Riggs.
BobbyG
“He routinely barges in to hog the photo-op spotlight everywhere. He recently had pics of His Bad Self put in the annual Commerce Department/ASQ Baldridge Award ceremony.”
I’ve said before that Dubya is really a frustrated actor at heart, in the worst, narcissistic, attention-craving sense of the word (and I say that as an actor myself). I keep vainly wishing that we lived in some alternate universe where his family would have let him go to Hollywood, where he would have done no one but himself any major damage.
How does Libby get a pardon when Fitz still has big fishies on his hook ?
Not to mention, Bush giving a pardon to Libby would look really bad.
Think Progress says that Riggs may actually be the sixth general to come out against Rumsfeld.
There’s a very nice shout out to the site in this issue in the NY Review of Books piece on Jerome and Markos’s Crashing the Gate. The book apparently did Bill McKibben a lot of good. His previous piece on the state of the media was very much clueless wrt the web. But now he gets it. Good for Markos (who was great on the Kolbert Report) and Jerome, and it was good to see that McKibben understood this is about an interlinked, supportive community. Hence the shout-out.
He mentioned other widely trafficked sites, like C&L, Juan Cole, TPM and atrios. No mention of digby though, which is, to my mind, an unfortunate oversight. No matter. If the dead tree fogies who read the NYRoB come visit here, they’ll find digby soon enough.
BobbyG 35 — Not sure whether you’re kidding or not but just in case, Reza Pahlavi is (or was) the Shah — whom Elliott Roosevelt and others of our CIA, with a little help from our (British and Israeli) friends, placed in power in 1953 after ousting the popular, and legitimately-elected Mohamed Mossadegh (who I believe died in jail). Savak, the Shah’s Mossad-aided secret police, were among the most brutal on earth, and his regime (and its American sponsorship) were utterly detested. Most Americans remember Khomeni, but don’t know what led up to his coming to power.
OT a coupla outtakes from tonight’s Hardball:
Biden straight-talkin’ about Bush’s abysmal performance on Iraq. And what he’s said directly to Bush about dumping Rummy and Cheney. Solid!
Why did Bush’s DUI matter in the 2000 election? puzzles Matthews. My husband’s observation–it wasn’t the morality issue of a DUI. It was that he was a deceptive liar. It’s the pattern of his life.
Bush could pardon (at some political cost) a staffer for perjury or obstruction of justice. Pardonning a staffer indicted for espionage would be politically impossible.
It seems if one operates from the premise that the only game in town is preventing impeachment, then it’s not only easy to see Comstock’s hand behind the scenes, but also the hands of Poppy, Babs, and Jeb Bush, as well as Jim Baker and the rest of the Texas mob and virtually anyone else sympathetic and indebted to the Bush clan that can be enlisted to prevent the catastrophe for the Bush’s that will transpire if the Dems can take back the House in the fall. It is essential, critical and likely a matter of human survival, not so much that the Democrats defeat the Republicans, (though I don’t know how else to do it, short of popular rebellion) that power is taken from the Bush empire. Perhaps we are doomed to the necessity of reliving the lessons of Watergate and a re-enlightenment of the values of democratic government periodically. Maybe that’s the price we pay for real freedom.
going back to read the threads and comments but just in case folks haven’t seen this yet – press briefing by the top US Intel guys say Iran is years away from nukes:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..-iran.html
so far I can only find the story on Bloomberg and in this San Diego article, heard it on NPR this afternoon as well
Thanks for the props, Christy.
On another note, I guess all of you folks have probably already seen the MEK piece over at Raw Story
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/US_….._0413.html
This kind of operation is very similar to the way the Mexican-American war was initiated, as well as how the Soviets were lured into Afghanistan.If you think about it, what could possibly be better for Republicans than for the war to “expand” before the mid-terms as a result of an apparent Iranian initiative? Believe me, I’m not a conspiracy theorist, just a guy with a good plausibility meter :)
peace,
jim
Navy and Airforce appear to be hanging back.
Army Maj. Gen. John Batiste
Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton,
Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold
Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki
Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/…..571433.htm
OT: ding ding ding ding!
Fresh Red State racist thread:
http://www.redstate.com/story/2006/4/12/121614/643
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If anyone in the west sees this, watch the News Hour. Jim had on Gen. Batiste . They’re not gonna shut up. Lerher asked if this would be the only time he would speak. “I’ve never backed down from a fight in my life.” was the answer.
This story is so huge politically. First we have the punks that invented attacking military service being attacked by the best and the brightest.
Bush’s claims that he listens to his generals is completely shattered by this. This feeds the dishonesty issue.
The “National Security” party is being attacked by the people that used them for stage props.
We’re still in deep shit, but this is a real turning point boys and girls. A real turning point.
dannyboy– you are a real treasure… I have been shaking all day and my head has been exploding finding out that I never wore a tin-foil hat wrt to our ambitions in that part of the world– all of it. I won’t tell you the words I have been muttering all day long.
dannyboy – everything you say is true, but the Reza Pahlavi that is being written about now is his son of the dead Shah. He is hoping to return to Iraq and reinstate some sort of constitutional monarchy. He lives in the DC area.
Bobby G 20: ‘egregious – The Israelis are utterly committed to fighting Iran — to the last American soldier, sailor, and airman.’
You can just shorten that to sailor and airman. The soldiers are depleted. Army special forces are just gone. People who are not trained to do army special forces work are being used anyway. Yay untrained troops.
Oklahoma kiddo-52—I don’t see us re-living Watergate.
I just don’t think we have a press corps that’s not beholden to anyone.
Nor do we have enough men and women of principle in Congress.
We used to have the Fairness Doctrine–no more. That seems important to me; I noticed a lot of changes after that was gone.
Please tell me I’m wrong, I’d love to believe it. It was scary then but much much scarier now.
OT: the only non-Latino speaker at the Indpls Marcha was Representative Bill Crawford, speaking for the Black Legislative Caucus: a group that well understands civil rights struggles…
Oklahoma kiddo 52 — We will be blessed if we can relive the lessons of Watergate, and maybe, this time, actually learn them. Jefferson once spoke of needing a new revolution once every generation and I honestly thought he was off his rocker the first few times I read it. Now *sigh* it’s starting to make sense: if we survive this Iran/economy/etc. tangle and manage to elect enough Democrats to make impeachment possible, we have got, as a nation, to resolve our loss of Vietnam (and most likely Iraq if not Afghanistan) and come to grips with the incipient theocratic as well as fascist threats to our system of government (or what now remains of it). Steep order — but consider the alternatives and pray we have the opportunity!
timewarp @ 59–
Exactly what the article speaks to– he was all over the teevee last year looking like a younger version of his father… with the same sense of entitlement and vengeance.
jayackroyd #48- thanks for the ref to the NY Review of Books article- I went and found the link- pretty interesting reading: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18910
FDL mentions: ===Others are more traditional blogs (if “traditional” can be applied to a medium four or five years old). These include Eschaton (www.atrios.blogspot .com) and Firedoglake (www.firedog lake.com), where bloggers offer their take, hour by hour, on a wide range of news events as they happen over the course of the day.===
===But a kind of proto-journalism is emerging, and becoming steadily more sophisticated. If you want to understand (albeit with plenty of spin) the ins and outs of Scooter Libby’s defense in the Plamegate trial, for instance, the place to go is Firedoglake.===
Okay, what’s this BS about “albeit with plenty of spin”….. The guy should be called on this… spin? WTF is Team Libby doing?
I believe Fitz has a “Libby Pardon Strategery”. He has indicted Libby on a very narrow set of issues. If Libby gets a pardon – Bam! The next set of indictments fall down to new currently unmentioned and unindicted people – how could they be also pardoned in advance?
Just a little background on Iran and the US. Of course it is all about oil.
The deposed Shah’s father made the fatal mistake of backing the nazis – so he was taken out by the allies. With the backing of the Brits (they were everywhere then) and the US, a representative democracy was put into place and in the early 50’s a democratic socialist was elected as the Prime Minister (it was a Parlimentary system). As he had promised in his campaign, he nationalized all Iranian oil. Of course that not be allowed (& perhaps some knee-jerk fear that Iran would somehow be subsumed into the Soviet Bloc) and the CIA engineered a coup d’etat which instated the Shah. Brutal, corrupt, authoritarian, and could not have remained in power w/out US support for long. Very much on the model of Chilli and Allende. The Shah’s secret police, SAVAK is still legendary as one of the most brutal forces of oppression in the 20th century. It amazes me to learn that the former head is alive and well, living in DC.
But there was always resistance – within and without … which came to a head in the mid-late 70’s with a coalition of Islamicists (The Shah did not follow the Saudi model of empowering the clerics and they were quite bitter about it. One of the ironies of history), social democrats, and marxists (the MEK, another irony).
The US should not meddle in Iranian politics – we have a very very bad track record there, and the Iranians have very long memories.
angie — Thank you. My heart has bled so badly for all those innocent people over there I’m literally having problems with both blood pressure and teeth-grinding; am using every meditative and auto-suggestive skill I possess just to keep from revolving, rotating and going nuclear myself. So I understand.
time warp — I wasn’t sure which one, so I thought I’d sneak in a little education, just in case (I figured a *few* people would know) *g*
One other item: the Administration apparently has signalled to Israel that Bush will release convicted spy Jonathan Pollard if Olmert asks!
http://www.wpherald.com/storyv…..0953-5484r
sigh — perhaps there’s a quid pro quo, or am I trying too hard to find a silver lining here?
Carolyn – the same exact thought has crossed my mind, but since I am complete neophyte when it comes to lawyering I didn’t take myself very seriously! But what if…?
the wannabe Shah’s grandpa overthrew the old dynasty and installed himself as Shah in 1925. He cozied up to the Nazis so in 1941 the Brits overthrew (and exiled) him and installed his young son as New Shah. Prime Minister Mossadegh and the rise of democracy was sidetracking Reza Pahlavi in the early 1950s but with CIA help, he regained power. He was overthrown in 1979 by a mass popular revolution which the Islamicists took over.
dannyboy – Pardoning Jonathon Pollard?!?! I would love to know what the quid pro quo is … ? Iran-related, I wonder?
*ilson46201- I don’t remember the details, but perhaps you do- when the Shah was given asylum in the US and treated for cancer? Quite a bit of controversy at the time, IIRC.
*ilson – you are right. But before the ‘53, he was basically a figurehead. The coup changed all that.
OT?
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) – The United States on Thursday blocked a U.N. Security Council statement drafted by Arab nations and aimed at putting pressure on Israel to stop military strikes on Palestinian targets.
timewarp — I don’t know, but the timing is suggestive. Otoh, since we always end up doing what they want anyhow (refusing to release Pollard having been the exception proving said rule), might this be a 2008 election ploy? Maybe no Jewish money to Democrats (except Lieberman, of course, since he’s really not one anyhow).
I still just can’t believe it.
Valley Girl – the Shah left for Egypt when he was deposed. Carter allowed him to come to NY to treat his cancer (which was pretty far advanced anyway) under pressure from old friends like Kissenger. The blowback was the famous occupation of the American Embassy.
” Chady says:
April 13th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
I would love to be a fly on the wall in Pat’s office.”
You don’t suppose Rove/Cheney have thought of that, do you?
I wonder how often Pat has sweeps done?
yeah…the Shah was admitted into the USA right after his overthrow allegedly for cancer treatment … (as if only the US could treat cancer) … Persians rightly took that as a giant FUCK YOU-ALL and the Embassy was stormed and hostages held.
timewarp is a lil more gentle in his phrasings…
And if I remember correctly, the Iranian Shah was made of the typical stern stuff the US picks for its puppet leaders. Once the trouble came down, and on his own, losing control of his own people, and with his vicious secret police no longer able to clamp down -he had no clue. Cowered like deer in the headlights and then after standing by while his dictatorhsip crumbled around him, he lit out for the territories -or, I mean went into exile. Kind of like Batista in Cuba. The US shouldn’t try to pick ‘em. We should buy the ones that are able to install themselves. Look at Chalabi legions and how they hit Iraq like a planet and prevailed.
Forgive the bitter snark. I simply cannot believe the stuff I am reading and hearing now. It is like a bad Simpson’s episode.
One hope I have is that I think media is mainly about $ and favorable legislation. If Dems can get a chamber and GOP election prospect seem dim, then watch the media change its tune to get its desired legislation and appointments past both Dems and GOP.
dannyboy – I can’t imagine it has much to do with US politics. Not that many people even remember who Pollard is. And the extremists who do, would vote repub anyway, just because they are hawks. No, there has to be another potential benefit.
I find it extremely interesting that Israel is being linked to two key sets of Iranian exiles. The old monarchists (the upper classes) and the MEK (the old Marxist student-types, many of whom were involved in the take-over of the US embassy in Tehran). No love at all lost between those two groups.
timewarp #76- thanks for jogging my memory. I was living in England at the time 1976-1985 so I virtually “missed” the Carter admin., etc. But, the occupation of the American Embassy certainly did have blowback in turn…. Raygun…
timewarp:
The US should not meddle in Iranian politics – we have a very very bad track record there, and the Iranians have very long memories.
The US should not meddle in the region anymore unless it is to be an honest broker. We must come clean; don’t hold your breath. Look at what has happened in Afghanistan and Iraq– the Afghans beat the USSR with their own defense against an invader and murderer of their people– sheer will and anguish. Then there was our weak and covert support for the people and our sick support for the Taliban and the OBL’s to deliver Puty- Put to da man and then we declared victory with Ronnie yelling “tear down that wall”– no bloodshed on our part, but some few dollars. Saddam fought the Iranians with weapons and a nod and a wink from Rummy, et al. Now we are killing everyone until we can find another stratergery to kill some more to secure our oil.
*ilson46201 – but your version is more accurate. I just didn’t have the nerve to put it that way!
wesgpc — is it too hopelessly naive to just, you know, let people choose their own rulers and systems of government? Gosh, silly me.
Margot…
You have raised some good points. About the press corps and the “Fairness Doctrine”. And you mention the lack of courage and principle of men and women in Congress. I share your concerns. However, when I see people like Feingold, Boxer, Murtha and a few others, then it gives me hope. And then there are the Olbermans, Froomkins, the Guardian, and FDL and so many others that it gives me a sense of purpose and will. And most of all we (Americans) may many times be slow and stupid, but I can’t help but think our people have a very keen sense, when all is said and done of what is fair and just. Watergate, for me proves this supposition.
Angie – you are absolutely right. I have lived and traveled in the region extensively, and there is no way we can do any good there. In fact, everything we touch just turns to fire. Anything we do there is likely to lead to senseless killing and suffering. Like we should’ve stayed the hell out of So and Central American.
OT: I was thinking about the 5 or 6 retired Iraq generals who have called for Rumsfeld’s resignation.
Anyone notice what’s missing from this dialog?
When ever someone of any prominence — Howard Dean, John Kerry, The Dixie Chicks, Cindy Sheehan — or even Joe Citizen like you or me — has criticized the war or its prosecution, the Mighty Wurlitzer of the Right is cranked up and the dissident voices are accused of “not supporting our troops,” “giving aid & comfort to our enemies,” “hating America,” “wanting America to fail,” even of treason. The President we criticize quickly becomes “The Commander-in-Chief” and we are told that we are damaging the morale of the troops in the field who have to hear our traitorous messages on CNN.
Anyone else notice that the right-wing noise machine is not accusing these recently-retired Generals of any of these crimes?
After all, who do “our troops in the field” pay more attention to, the Dixie Chicks, or generals of our Armed Forces?
Where are the AM radio jocks and warbloggers? Why aren’t they calling for these men’s arrest?
I don’t know what we should do about it in terms of media tactics, but I think it’s a glaring inconsistency that should be raised by the left blogosphere.
Tonight’s Countdown had an interesting take: Rove and Fleisher would be called as witnesses supposedly to testify that they were the Plame leakers and, therefore, Libby was repeating gossip that already was “out there”. Ananlysis was that Libby is tossing Karl and Ari under respective busses (there’s gonna be a whole fleet cruisin’ Pennsylvania Ave. shortly!) to save himself, in which case so much for a coordinated WH defense plan. Today’s filing was termed “…a disaster for the White House”.
*ilson- thanks, too. Hatred of the US in the region (the country, not the US people, as MarkfromIreland is kind enough to say) goes way, way back. US=meddling satan. That is why I knew that the invasion of Iraq was totally stupid, to say the least, right from the getgo.
They gonna lose. As usual short term interest trump long term consequences. This time it will be Libby paying the price. Couldn’t happen to a nicer SOB.
timewarp — so your answer to “Why now?” is Mossad support of the monarchists and Marxists as the first part of a joint attack?
(note to self: breathe deeply. repeat. look for paper bag…
dannyboy…
“We will be blessed if we can relive the lessons of Watergate, and maybe, this time, actually learn them.”
Well said.
You can also add Wes Clark and General Hoar and General Odom too.
-GSD
Odom said that the Iraq War was the “greatest strategic military blunder in the history of the US”.
dannyboy – that is what I am very afraid of. It is phenomenal the way an overdose of testosterone kills brain cells (thinking of Kissinger’s aphrodisia and Rummy’s perpetual erection problem. And Cheney’s overcompensation for lack of…all his heart medication and whatnot).
timewarp — Rummy’s perpetual erection problem? For real? He’s so demented I guess I’m surprised he’d even remember what it is.
griffon-I hope sweeps are done on a regular basis-like daily.
dannyboy – there is a rumor, maybe a joke, that this is the reason he has to work at a standing desk. (& wear ice in his pants?) To be honest, I don’t know if such a thing is being possible…but nevertheless, the metaphor is apt.
“wtfwjd? says”
The fact that the likes of Newt Gingrich and Bill O’Reilly have called for some sort of troop withdrawls must indicate that that tactic(”Traitor, cut and run coward”) to bat down critics must no longer be operable.
There will be more of these generals to come. Larry Wilkerson, Powells’ old retired colonel chief of staff, has said that a deluge is about to come at the administration from within the military.
-GSD
A few days ago there was a story about a White House press corps reporter asking the Lyin’ King about a Scooter sighting in the White House cafeteria very recently, but never saw a confirmation or denial after the usual non-answer. Does anyone know if this was corroborated? If he was at the White House in the past couple weeks, then it’s pretty clear that he’s playing some kind of game along with the rest of the Bushists. But what are they up to now? Why not simply pardon him like we all know will happen eventually?
new thread
Christy,
Thanks for considering this issue, it still is bugging me as a defense attorney.
And, to all my friends here, I apologize. Yes, I am a terrible speller and even a worse typist (three fingers and a thumb, generally). And, I am sufficiently AADD not to take the time to preview. I always appreciate all of your forebearance. Let us just consider it Immanentize’s little problem, best not discussed in polite company….
timewarp — sounds like an implant; his Alzheimers is so far advanced at this point he’s probably forgotten what it is. I know Freud (and others) made a big deal of the link between sex and aggression but I think this manly-man horse-pediddle has a lot more to do with insecurity, narcissism and a need for constant reassurance because (snark) the insecurity probably is warranted. just sayin’
dannyboy 68–blood pressure spikes, check. teeth grinding, check. plus more trips to the shrink. plus heavy drinking. any more of this and i’m gonna take up smoking again.
“We’re still in deep shit, but this is a real turning point boys and girls. A real turning point.”
This is a huge development. This helps to put the lie to all of the shiny-happy-talking. Who ya gonna believe General Batista or that fat, ashen faced war monger, Richard Perle?
Who ya gonna believe? Laura Ingraham or General Eaton?
Yup, this is the beginning of a final flood. Bush is going to have to cashier Rummy.
-GSD
egregious — gosh, I don’t know what to tell you about those two habits. I smoked for years and years and my line to critics was that it is life’s most reliable pleasure. Uh — just thinking about it makes me… no, no, I am NOT going to give Chimpy, Big Dick and the crew that much power over me. Merlot — uh, I think so!
I wanted to thank you concerning the your last post outlining in more detail the possibility of Libby trying to demonstrate that it was’t only his memory that was faulty: the government’s witnesses also have faulty memories. The earlier discussions over the past several weeks talked about several defenses Libby might put on which made me very confused. I mean, in my non-legal mind, he either lied or he didn’t. But with several possible defenses, I was thinking along the line of well, he didn’t shoot the guy, or if he did, he didn’t mean it, or if he meant it, it was because he deserved it. One more ridiculous than the other. It kept comming back to either he lied or he didn’t.
Now, questioning the veracity of the government’s witnesses makes more sense to me than just plain Libby forgot or was too preoccupied (both horseshit, of course, but ya gotta do something I suppose) and would explain multiple defenses. I am interested if there is another component to this forgetting theme.
As to whether this filing is for public consumption, I’m sure it is for the reasons you mention. But also, the dissections and huge converstions that occur all across blogland every time a rustle of new Fitzgerald or Libby paper is heard is hard to miss. It’s everywhere and the discussions accompanying them are spectacular. Ms. Comstock probably takes copious notes every time you or Jeralyn starts typing.
Oh, and you and this blog are da bomb :)
*ilson 74: ‘OT? UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) – The United States on Thursday blocked a U.N. Security Council statement drafted by Arab nations and aimed at putting pressure on Israel to stop military strikes on Palestinian targets.’………Rachel Corrie……….
Folks, ever consider that we might be on the wrong side of this? Taking people’s land. Killing them if they object. Demonizing opponents in the press. Suppressing the Mearsheimer-Walt study, along with demoting the author from Harvard. Buying Congressmen. Is this what we support?
Sy Hersh said there is no way Bush will fire Rumsfeld — he might quit, but that will be his decision. The can’t fire him, because they cannot afford to have Rummy on the outside sniping at them. Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld — the Anti-Christ Axis of Evil in the White House.
egregious — I think we absolutely are on the wrong side of this. The National Council of Churches thinks likewise and so do many, many other individuals and organizations. Our tax dollars are hemorrhaging away in direct contravention of our law to support activities that to not meet the sniff test. To say the least. And if I dared make this criticism of Iceland or Ireland, Estonia or England, Chile or Chad, I would not be called a bigot. Otoh, my tax dollars don’t perpetuate the unlawful behaviors of any of those places.
egregious;
did you see this? btw, I wrote a looong article in response to you and dannyboy and timewarp, et al, and it is gone; poof, and I am not able to find it. dammit. but lookie here wrt to Rachel.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041306A.shtml
GSD and Alscooter, two people confirmed the filing by Libby is a “disaster” for the WH–David Schuster and the guy from Newsweek (?).
Also, Wilkerson, on Cspan2 said what GSD claims–more leaks coming from within the military. Wilkerson also said that while he has fairly high respect for Condi, Powell is a “pachaderm.” Long memory? long on experience? Interesting metaphor.
angie, egregious, timewarp and anyone else who may be interested: Jeff Blankfort has written a very well-documented rebuttal to critics of the Mearsheimer and Walt piece. If you’re interested, either post your email addys or ask Christy, Jane or Pach to get them to me and I’ll forward it. He is very knowledgeable and did an excellent job, imo.
dana at 112,
pachaderm: Is that Pachacutek with a shin rash?
Where is punaise when we need him?
angie, I value your impressions. Hope you will reconstruct your thoughts and share them with us. We need a lot of people to think this through. It’s complicated.
Powell is a “pachaderm.â€
Full of elephant shit?
-GSD
I hope that Fitz understands that by taking on Libby he is taking on the pro-Israeli NeoCon lobby in Washington. Be careful, friend!
immanentize at 114– I almost thought he was saying Pachacutec! lol.
egregious;
thank you, and please know that I value your views and those of many others here; it is how I learn! I will try to reconstruct what I wrote and studied today and will get right back to you in time.
thanks dannyboy! – horia at verizon dot com.
And if anyone sees this, if it is not too much trouble, could you please delete this?
I agree with Carolyn (comment #66). It seems to me that by setting up the perjury charge, Fitz has already gotten Scooter to finger Rove in crimes that amount to Espionage (Plame), as well as fLIEscher. I’m thinking he’s saving Cheney as a warning to Bush—Pardon me, or you are next. Now, all that has to be done is to tie in the war on terra with these leaks and you have a violation of Title 18, Section 794(b)—which is punishable by death! The best part is that by trying Libby on the lesser charges, he’s gotten the implications of the serious stuff and hasn’t got to worry about Pardons—for crimes that haven’t even been filed yet. The way it’s being tried in the court of public opinion makes a pardon of the serious indictments (that I think are coming), unthinkable—unless you want to see the masses marching with Pitchforks. I also saw tonight’s Countdown and agree that today’s filings are “a disaster for the White Houseâ€.
(2) Has Karl already chartered a bus with Libby’s name on it and, if so, when can we expect it to come driving by?
bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
now, that’s some fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine writin’ …
Dannyboy –
Of all of the posts on this thread, your words touched me the deepest. I agree with your thoughts, but I am most moved by your caring for the suffering of others, in Iran, in Iraq, and here in America.
Bless you. And keep bearing witness.
My initial reaction to today’s defense filings was that Team Libby’s strategy was to threaten to dish on Karl Rove in order to obtain a pardon. Karl’s the Quarterback of Spin. Without him calling the shots the White House message machine–and the syncopated coordination with Congressional and media sycophants–disintegrates. The result is polls with lower confidence numbers for the President and Congress, followed by a disaster in the midterm elections.
Their maneuvers are not designed to win in the courtroom
They’re sacrificing courtroom advantage for PR advantage because PR is the battle they have to win. Team Libby isn’t aiming to convince judge and jury of Libby’s innocence in order to win acquittal, they’re trying to minimize the SOB’s appearance of guilt to the electorate so that the eventual Presidential pardon will not carry too big a PR price tag.