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	<title>Comments on: Libby Case Update &#8212; A Correction and A New Filing</title>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66721</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;These criticisms of the Howler have nothing to do with the actual content of the article in question.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These criticisms of the Howler have nothing to do with the actual content of the article in question.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66706</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I followed Bob and TDH for a couple of years until I found FDL and Bob shifted his coverage mostly to education matters.  I’m most greatful to him for pointing out in detail the trickery of the press and for his coverage of the misdeeds of the press relative to the 2000 election.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was puzzled by his treatment of Joe Wilson.  Obviously Bob thinks  that Joe is a BSer who overstates his case, and that pisses Bob off.  But, in the one or two cases I tracked down, it was Bob who overstated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob’s rudeness toward Christy about the distinction between “key judgements” and mere assertions goes well beyond anything negative he said about Wilson.  And, Christy is right on when she writes: “But I can guarantee you that if you tried to explain the significance of this to someone who hasnâ€™t paid attention to the case, you are simply going to get some eyes glazing over and a ‘huh?’”  She said nothing that deserves that condescending rudeness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed Bob and TDH for a couple of years until I found FDL and Bob shifted his coverage mostly to education matters.  I’m most greatful to him for pointing out in detail the trickery of the press and for his coverage of the misdeeds of the press relative to the 2000 election.</p>
<p>I was puzzled by his treatment of Joe Wilson.  Obviously Bob thinks  that Joe is a BSer who overstates his case, and that pisses Bob off.  But, in the one or two cases I tracked down, it was Bob who overstated.</p>
<p>Bob’s rudeness toward Christy about the distinction between “key judgements” and mere assertions goes well beyond anything negative he said about Wilson.  And, Christy is right on when she writes: “But I can guarantee you that if you tried to explain the significance of this to someone who hasnâ€™t paid attention to the case, you are simply going to get some eyes glazing over and a ‘huh?’”  She said nothing that deserves that condescending rudeness.</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Moff Texan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66195</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Moff Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Whether the word â€œvigorouslyâ€ appeared in the â€œkey judgmentsâ€ (it did not) or elsewhere in the document (it did) is immaterial mental gymnastics&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, it isn’t, it’s part of the selective leaking that was used to push back against the truth.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s over Somerby’s head, I guess, or else his ego’s too big to admit his little “A HAH!” here is nothing.  He’s the guy going overboard.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He has to he’s marginalized himself by carrying the Republicans’ water on Joe Wilson all along.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Whether the word â€œvigorouslyâ€ appeared in the â€œkey judgmentsâ€ (it did not) or elsewhere in the document (it did) is immaterial mental gymnastics</i> </p>
<p>No, it isn’t, it’s part of the selective leaking that was used to push back against the truth.  </p>
<p>That’s over Somerby’s head, I guess, or else his ego’s too big to admit his little “A HAH!” here is nothing.  He’s the guy going overboard.  </p>
<p>He has to he’s marginalized himself by carrying the Republicans’ water on Joe Wilson all along.<br />
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		<title>By: Grand Moff Texan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66193</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Moff Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;OK, Howler was nitpicky and nasty. Fair enough.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s all he does.  That’s why he’s useless.  He painted himself into a corner on the Joe Wilson affair and he can’t get over himself enough to admit it.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, liberals are getting nasty.  Somerby is getting upset.  You’re breaking my heart.&lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>OK, Howler was nitpicky and nasty. Fair enough.</i></p>
<p>That’s all he does.  That’s why he’s useless.  He painted himself into a corner on the Joe Wilson affair and he can’t get over himself enough to admit it.  </p>
<p>Yes, liberals are getting nasty.  Somerby is getting upset.  You’re breaking my heart.<br />
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66172</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, Howler was nitpicky and nasty. Fair enough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for FDL, do we send a barrage of email to the post.com’s ombudsman? Howler makes a valid point. People are picking nits daily and getting worked up into a lather, on both sides. FDL should discuss these things, just as we would like more discussion from places such as post.com and The Post itself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I enjoy many of people/outlets with which the Howler is being “nitpicky”. That said, I can’t find fault with Howler’s points.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Howler was nitpicky and nasty. Fair enough.</p>
<p>As for FDL, do we send a barrage of email to the post.com’s ombudsman? Howler makes a valid point. People are picking nits daily and getting worked up into a lather, on both sides. FDL should discuss these things, just as we would like more discussion from places such as post.com and The Post itself.</p>
<p>I enjoy many of people/outlets with which the Howler is being “nitpicky”. That said, I can’t find fault with Howler’s points.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66154</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eric,&lt;br /&gt;
re “OK, so you donâ€™t like the Daily Howlerâ€™s language. Thatâ€™s really beside the point. Was the Daily Howler incorrect?” I would say that Bob is guilty of cherry-picking here.  He excerpted Susan’s statement and left off the conclusion that invalidates his entire point: “(I know, Iâ€™ve tried, even with legal beagles â€” unless they are political junkies, they donâ€™t seem to see a huge difference.)”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve read Bob’s Daily Howler since the 2000 campaign.  He’s done good work over the years, and I still give him a read daily.  However (here it comes), he thinks that he is the &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt; rational voice out here. Only &lt;b&gt;he&lt;/b&gt; saw Gore being picked on by the media.  Only &lt;b&gt;he&lt;/b&gt; can correct what’s wrong with education.  Only &lt;b&gt;he&lt;/b&gt; can correctly/accurately analyze the media.  And so on. His attack on FDL is par for his course.  And, in my view, unwarranted regardless of the vulgarity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
re “OK, so you donâ€™t like the Daily Howlerâ€™s language. Thatâ€™s really beside the point. Was the Daily Howler incorrect?” I would say that Bob is guilty of cherry-picking here.  He excerpted Susan’s statement and left off the conclusion that invalidates his entire point: “(I know, Iâ€™ve tried, even with legal beagles â€” unless they are political junkies, they donâ€™t seem to see a huge difference.)”</p>
<p>I’ve read Bob’s Daily Howler since the 2000 campaign.  He’s done good work over the years, and I still give him a read daily.  However (here it comes), he thinks that he is the <b>only</b> rational voice out here. Only <b>he</b> saw Gore being picked on by the media.  Only <b>he</b> can correct what’s wrong with education.  Only <b>he</b> can correctly/accurately analyze the media.  And so on. His attack on FDL is par for his course.  And, in my view, unwarranted regardless of the vulgarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eric,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the issue is tangential in the grand scheme of the Plame leak investigation, right or wrong. I also think that that level of nastiness should be directed toward whoever committed the treasonous act of outing Plame in the first place. Just my humble opinion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I think the issue is tangential in the grand scheme of the Plame leak investigation, right or wrong. I also think that that level of nastiness should be directed toward whoever committed the treasonous act of outing Plame in the first place. Just my humble opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66100</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, so you don’t like the Daily Howler’s language. That’s really beside the point. Was the Daily Howler incorrect?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so you don’t like the Daily Howler’s language. That’s really beside the point. Was the Daily Howler incorrect?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66069</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, but did yuou read what he wrote on this? Check it out:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey, you dumb f*cking rubes: This morning, over at firedoglake, Christy Hardin Smith is treating her readers like a pack of dumb, f*cking rubes. â€œReddHeadâ€ just canâ€™t puzzle it out the meaning of Fitzgeraldâ€™s correction. Try to believe that she wrote this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    SMITH (4/13/06): Now, to those of us who have been obsessed with this case since the investigation began, this has some meaning. But I can guarantee you that if you tried to explain the significance of this to someone who hasnâ€™t paid attention to the case, you are simply going to get some eyes glazing over and a “huh?â€&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pathetic. So letâ€™s explain it nice and slow, so slow that even Smith will get it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but did yuou read what he wrote on this? Check it out:</p>
<p>Hey, you dumb f*cking rubes: This morning, over at firedoglake, Christy Hardin Smith is treating her readers like a pack of dumb, f*cking rubes. â€œReddHeadâ€ just canâ€™t puzzle it out the meaning of Fitzgeraldâ€™s correction. Try to believe that she wrote this:</p>
<p>    SMITH (4/13/06): Now, to those of us who have been obsessed with this case since the investigation began, this has some meaning. But I can guarantee you that if you tried to explain the significance of this to someone who hasnâ€™t paid attention to the case, you are simply going to get some eyes glazing over and a “huh?â€</p>
<p>Pathetic. So letâ€™s explain it nice and slow, so slow that even Smith will get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pachacutec</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/13/libby-case-update-a-correction-and-a-new-filing/#comment-66063</link>
		<dc:creator>Pachacutec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are a lot of people in the lefty blogosphere doing a lot of great work for no pay, and Daily Howler is one of them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of people in the lefty blogosphere doing a lot of great work for no pay, and Daily Howler is one of them.</p>
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