
Can I say how impressed I am by Colin Powell's willingness to throw Dick Cheney under the bus to save George Bush, even as he admit he knew all along that the claims about Iraqi attempts to obtain Niger uranium were bunk? As Robert Sheer reports:
I queried Powell at a reception following a talk he gave in Los Angeles on Monday. Pointing out that the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate showed that his State Department had gotten it right on the nonexistent Iraq nuclear threat, I asked why did the president ignore that wisdom in his stated case for the invasion?
"The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush's State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."
When I pressed further as to why the president played up the Iraq nuclear threat, Powell said it wasn't the president: "That was all Cheney." A convenient response for a Bush family loyalist, perhaps, but it begs the question of how the president came to be a captive of his vice president's fantasies.
Powell didn't need Joe Wilson to tell him there wasn't a Niger connection? Well the rest of us sure did. Joe Wilson didn't make the difficult decision to write his July 6, 2003 NYT editorial entitled "What I Didn't Find in Africa" because Colin Powell was letting this be known to the public.
As the NYT recently reported about the July 8 meeting between Scooter Libby and Judith Miller:
But a week earlier, in an interview in his State Department office, Mr. Powell told three other reporters for The Times that intelligence agencies had essentially rejected that contention, and were "no longer carrying it as a credible item" by early 2003, when he was preparing to make the case against Iraq at the United Nations.
Obviously he was not saying this for attribution because I think I would have remembered a NYT headline reading "Secretary of State Calls Bullshit on BushCo."
Barton Gellman and Dafna Linzer's excellent article in the Washington Post last weekend probably didn't get the attention it deserved, overshadowed as it was by Fred Hiatt's editorial misdemeanors. But it contained this bit:
Tenet interceded to keep the claim out of a speech Bush gave in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002, but by Dec. 19 it reappeared in a State Department "fact sheet." After that, the Pentagon asked for an authoritative judgment from the National Intelligence Council, the senior coordinating body for the 15 agencies that then constituted the U.S. intelligence community. Did Iraq and Niger discuss a uranium sale, or not? If they had, the Pentagon would need to reconsider its ties with Niger.
The council's reply, drafted in a January 2003 memo by the national intelligence officer for Africa, was unequivocal: The Niger story was baseless and should be laid to rest. Four U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge said in interviews that the memo, which has not been reported before, arrived at the White House as Bush and his highest-ranking advisers made the uranium story a centerpiece of their case for the rapidly approaching war against Iraq.
Everyone in the administration knew as of January, 2003 that the claim was hogwash. George Bush knew the truth when he authorized Scooter Libby to leak classified information to mislead Judy Miller into believing it was true. It took Joe Wilson's editorial to force George Tenet to finally admit, on July 11, that the eleven words should never have been included in Bush's speech.
I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Dick Cheney but Colin Powell's attempts to portray himself as some sort of truth teller, and George Bush as having been misled, are extremely disingenuous. Powell needs to be telling us why he didn't have the courage to say what needed to be said, what Joe Wilson finally did.
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Wow… Great piece Jane. Unravelling these jerkoffs’ stories is messy and stinky work… Thanks for doing it for us.
I’m with you, Sharkbabe. I didn’t believe anything they said until I watched Powell’s speech. I never thought he would outright lie that way and now that it comes out that he knew it is even worse!
Where is Powell — the patriot?
Where is Powell — the man of honor?
Hell, where is Powell the citizen?
Or were those all just a few of the lesser lies told by the media?
General Powell, your silence now drips with the blood of dead and maimed THOUSANDS who would otherwise be alive and whole. Have you no shame?
So, now we know they are dirty through and through. Powell is such a diappointment.
Isn’t Powell’s son still of an age that he should be going to Iraq to stand close to our nuclear wind of democracy?
May they all be done in throwing each other under the bus.
All these people knew the info was false, and not one stood up to let the rest of us know, except Wilson. These pukes make me sick. I never like to wish bad things on anyone, but it’s real tempting.
Yeah,Powell is no prince.Too bad Fitz is’nt on his ass.Oh make that FITZ!
disappointment
I refuse to be disappointed by Powell. He is a war criminal with the rest of them.
Liar. And as Christy knows, telling lies is good evidence of guilt.
This is what really bothers me. President Bush says that the Iranians cannot be trusted with nuclear technology because they might use it in an irresponsible manner. And in order to prevent them from doing so, we are threatening to use nuclear weapons in an irresponsible manner.
I want so much to present to my Saudi family and friends that the US is the responsible party, but cannot. We torture. We aggressively attack others in preemptive wars. And we are in danger of irresponsibly using nuclear weapons in a preemptive strike — the very thing we accuse the Iranians of threatening.
We are in a looking-glass world where everything is twisted and reversed.
General Colin Powell was Chief of Staff at DOD and supported the reactionaries who vigorously opposed President Clinton’s effort of rescind “No gays in the military”. Powell acquiesced to “Dont ask - don’t tell” as a face-saving out to the civilian leadership while preserving the reactionary-military’s No-Fags! policy. Feh…
Report from the wingnutosphere- they’re still obsessing over Joe Wilson and the shocking absence of a written request from Dick Cheney to go to Niger. See, that proves that invading Iraq was a totally good idea.
That and they have some satellite photos showing that Saddam tricked out a Mr. Softee van to cook up some bitchin’ weed killer. To quote Southpark, it’s coming right for us!
koheleth. Very true. Sad, but true.
“We must destroy the village to save it” has always been a particularly American rationale.
EPU’d and since it’s more than 5 lines, I’m reposting….. and DiFi can join Powell!
**OT**
I finally received a reply from DiFi regarding my asking her to support Feingold’s censure resolution in light of the illegal spying on American’s on American soil. I’m so pissed! Another non-answer answer that does not even mention the word “censureâ€. I’ve cut and pasted her official email response:
April 12, 2006
Ms. Suzanne XXXX
XXXX
Dear Ms. XXXX:
Thank you for writing to me about recent revelations that the United States Government has
engaged in domestic electronic eavesdropping without appropriate legal authority. I welcome the opportunity to respond.
On February 6th, the Senate Judiciary Committee held the first of a series of hearings into this matter, at which Attorney General Alberto Gonzales testified about
the legality of the program. He provided none of the documents the Committee required for proper oversight, and his assurances alone did not allay my concerns.
Instead, he propounded a radical legal theory of presidential power largely unrestrained by either
Congress or the courts.
I have carefully reviewed the Constitution and the laws relating to this domestic intelligence activity, along with the President’s statements and those of the Attorney General and other Administration officials. I believe that the electronic surveillance program was not conducted in accordance with U.S. law. The program, as described,
violates the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires a court order for surveillance of Americans. Congress has updated FISA many times since 9/11 in
order to provide our nation with all the necessary tools to
fight terrorism. The Administration has never asked for
the authority to conduct this program.
I believe the Administration also violated the National Security Act, which requires all members of the Intelligence Committee to be fully and currently informed of all significant intelligence activities other than covert actions. I am a member of the Intelligence Committee, and yet I was not told about this program
until it was made public.
There will be further hearings in the Senate Judiciary and Intelligence Committees. Once the facts are clear, we can decide on appropriate corrective action.
Again, thank you for writing. I hope that you will continue to write to me on issues of importance to you.
Best regards.
Sincerely yours,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator
http://feinstein.senate.gov
If I remember correctly, she didn’t even bother to show up for the censure hearing. (taking deep breaths and thinking calming thoughts)
Egad, DiFi has turned out to be such a big disappointment.
Sorry for the rant and funky text. Tried to fix the line breaks in DiFi’s email but I’m still kinda new at this.
a Mr. Softee van
ding. ding. ding. ding. ding.
Don’t know how any of them can sleep at night. When will this sick feeling end?
I met Secretary Powell many years ago when he was just a Colonel and attached to DoD Secretary Brown’s staff. As a result, I have followed his career with deepening sadness. I am sorry that he chooses to spend his reputation to protect such an unworthy man and family.
immanentize:
Where is Powell — the patriot?
Where is Powell — the man of honor?
Expecting “honor” from colin “my lai” powell is like expecting dog shit to smell like daffodils.
Cheney’s directly in Fitz’s sights and the target’s getting bigger day by day. As soon as BushCo. gives the high sign that Cheney’s off the bus, that’s the day Scooter takes his plea deal/cooperation deal and his pardon will follow later. With BushCo’s approval ratings this deep in the toilet, that day has to be coming just as soon as the national polling reveals whether BushCo./Repugs could recover if they kicked Cheney off the bus.
7 immanentize says:
April 12th, 2006 at 1:26 pm
Isn’t Powell’s son still of an age that he should be going to Iraq to stand close to our nuclear wind of democracy?
It’s not fair to hold the children responsible for the sins of their father. If junior was warmongering and was of military age, then I’m all for saying that he should go. But if I had to suffer for the sins of my father, God help me.
Colin Powell: BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT EVER!!
cathy, I generally agree, but Powell’s son has certainly profitted from his father’s warmongering.
See e.g., Bob Dylan, Masters of War
Michael Powell is 43 years old - isnt that too old for an enlistee?
I watched Powell’s UN talk, and it made me puke. He was the perfect example of a presenter uncomfortable with his material.
Of course that he kept the nuclear stuff out less than a month after Bushie used it in the SOU was telling.
This is the biggie for me, and always has been. If Georgie used it in the SOU knowing it was false, he lied to Congress. Slam-dunk impeachable.
OtisIsHungry -
The sheer volume of mutually incriminating dirt these BushCo pukes must surely have on each other has to in large measure account what on the surface looks inexplicable. The consequences of Bush “throwing Cheney under the bus” are probably lethal to his continuing in office.
From the revelations about Bush authorizing the leak resulting in the Plame outing, to the weapons trailer fabrication to this story, it’s like we’re having an impromptu phase II investigation. And all without the messy republican whitewash!
In yo’ face, Ass-Pat Roberts.
Is there somehwere that we can contact Powell? Why should WashingtonPost get so much of our attention. Powell is doing protection duty — protecting his son’s future career in the Bush machine.
Powell would like to drive the bus BigTime gets thrown under — and then be appointed VP in his place. This is his Rehab Road.
Jane, I think Powell is working up to that.
I believe Colin Powell will be remembered in history as one of the worst villains of the Bush government. Edmund Burke said, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Powell is a monster disguised as a good man who was a key figure in providing legitimacy to the Bush government. Without Powell’s lie-laden speech before the United Nations, the Iraq Invasion may not have been possible. Powell knew, as he spoke with assurance and gravitas, that the pictures he was pointing to were bogus. Every word he spoke was a lie intended to start a war.
Powell has never been a man of honor. What does surprise me the most, however, is how he sold out our military by supporting the complete shredding of the Powell Doctrine (always use overwhelming troop strength to reduce casualties) in order to satisfy Madman Rumsfeld’s desire for a total transformation of warfare (which has failed). But I guess we shouldn’t expect different from Powell, the man who tried to cover up the My Lai Massacre. He has always served the pleasures of his powerful masters.
This is the plan see. We give up Cheney. We’ll let him retire because of health reasons. Then we give him his Freedom medal and wish him well on his return to the board of Halliburton. That allows Dubya to make Condi the new VEEP. We know she can keep Dubya under control the next few years. Then we rig the ‘08 elections for Condi for Prez. Eight more years, 4 more countries to conquer. We’ll be hailed as heroes everywhere. Great idea, huh?
Ken Mailman, GOPer.
OK, I take what I said back about Michael Powell, he was injured in Germany when his speeding jeep crashed on the autobahn. If it weren’t for that, he actually might be in Iraq today.
He still has profitted from his father’s warmongering and political positions.
Cheney collapses at Wingnut Welfare Consortium. Dateline—tick, tock, tick, tock. Cheny retiring for “health reasons.” Dateline—any time now. Cheney heart attack renders him too ill to assist in his own defense. Dateline–right after indictment. Libby and Cheney Pardoned. Dateline–Christmas 2008.
It was Colin Powell’s speech at the UN that caved in the last significant opposition to the war — a speech that was as filled with lies and misleading statements as anything Bush or Cheney said.
Rot in Hell, Colin Powell . . .
History will record that it was Colin Powell who fell the farthest and the fastest. Many believed him to be capable of so much more. But in the end, he became simply a another sad enabler of a pathetic and morally bankrupt agenda. Loyalty is not the same as integrity.
-x-
A dear friend from Gaza commented on Powell’s transparency after watching that speech at the UN, “He has neither scent nor color”.
I think Ismail got it about right — and, knowing Powell’s history and being blessed with access to international media, I thought so at the time, too.
Really? Colin nixes niger nuke tale? Somebody alert Christopher Hitchens.
I think he’s under the table.
Har.
Corey #24 - Be careful… Disappointments everywhere will be offended. Just ask cdj
:-)
BobbyG @ 28,
That’s why Rummy ain’t going anywhere either.
I don’t think anybody has to defend Dick Cheney, because -
Don’t Mr. Powell’s statements and the Gelmon/Linzer piece support the previous extremely tenuous hypothesisis that Mr. Bush is being used as the ultimate (and possible unwitting?) cutout here.
Put another way….. might this not be the ‘Anti-Watergate Offensive Defense’ that would only be attempted by a Goldtriggerfingeresque figure bent on total Information Domination.
(or some such thing)
One by One
Rats are jumpin the good ship Iraq.
remember though, once a rat always a …
Nearly four years ago, some of us thought they were lying. Some of us said they were lying.
When the megamedia and the pundithugs, and, of course, the rightwing bloggers took notice at all, they smeared us for our lack of respect and unpatriotic, unAmerican, pro-terrorist attitudes.
Now, from mobile labs to yellowcake buys, the participants themselves admit that they knew what they were saying was bogus at the very moement they were saying it. They knew they were lying.
So, is it all right if we call them liars now?
How much more kindling has to be piled on before the bonfire is lit?
Immanentize — Michael Powell *has* paid for the sins of his father: he was in the military and was seriously injured, I think when a jeep rolled over on him. I don’t much like his politics, or what he did in office, but I do think the guy is still in constant pain.
Jane, great post as per usual.
OfT: It appears Jim Brady or someone else at the WaPoo interactive edited Nakamura’s article last night about fans booing Cheney.
From the WaPoo’s online chat this morning:
“Peter Baker: Ah, they seem to have posted a web version of the story from yesterday afternoon. I didn’t see that. Old-fashioned that I am, I actually read the real paper, the paper-and-ink kind, and the story I read by David on page B1 describes Cheney being booed as he came out to the mound and then more after his throw. I’ve asked our guys to link to that story.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01820.html
Nakamura’s print edition is still weak, but either Brady or someone who worked for him diluted it even more.
I wonder what Debbie Howell is going to say about Brady editing the print edition?
Hmmm. Here’s a thought that I haven’t seen posted yet: I think Powell is doing this at Poppy’s urging. Poppy knows that W is going to go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever, and he’s trying to get people to shift the blame to Dead-Eye Dick.
As for Powell, he’s a shining example of why anyone with any shred of honor should avoid dealing with this Administration. They destroy everyone they touch. Powell was the Othello to the Administration’s Iago.
When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Jane - We need to draw more attention to, and get White House and other reporters asking questions about, that newly reported, January 2003 NIC memo you highlight. Here are my questions:
1. Does this document actually exist and is it as described? Specifically, does it really date from January 2003? Is it the authoritative judgment of the NIC? And does it say the Niger story is baseless and should be laid to rest?
2. What is the exact date of the memo?
3. When precisely was it received at the White House? By whom? What did that person do with it? Who else at the White House learned of it? Specifically, who in a position to do anything about the SOTU learned of it, and when exactly? What did they do with that knowledge?
4. Why is there no mention whatsoever of this document, as far as I can tell, in either the SSCI report or Robb-Silberman?
Further down the road, there may be these other questions:
5. Is there any connection between the White House learning of this document, and the NSC putting out a call for any new or more intel on Iraqi WMD on January 24, which resulted in Walpole, the NIO for whatever, faxing over a package of rehashed NIE stuff to the NSC, among other things presumably?
6. Did the newly reported NIC memo play any role in the decision for Powell not to include the Niger story or any claim based on it in his presentation to the UN shortly after the SOTU?
Colin’s always been an asshole.
I read his frigging book (didn’t buy it, borrowed it) and he doesn’t even mention Jimmy Carter. Carter was the Prez who who pulled his name, and career, off the ash heap and onto the promotion list for Brigadeer. Without that move, Colin would have retired a full bird if he was lucky.
Carter was presented with a very white promotion list and asked if the military could “do better” so they put Colin on there. Not that you’d ever read that in his book, which only tells the up-from-the-bootstraps, good Republican fight up the food chain.
Yeah, right.
They are not just liars, but utter criminals and perpetrators of war crimes and treason.
Powell has always been posited by the media as one of the few voices of reason in the category-9 shitstorm of idiocy and incompetency that is this administration. Whatever grain of truth there is to that perception was negated a VERY long time ago by his collusion in the greatest presidential crime in American history.
Anybody remember the story regarding Powell’s pitching a fit, throwing papers down and exclaiming, “This is bullshit!”? Then he went ahead and read it anyway?
Powell’s son, Michael was the head of the FCC for a couple years. He was the guy that the religious right was pulling strings on (re: censorship). Howard Stern’s wrath was invoked on the FCC and the Michael Powellster. (Stern was a Bushite, until they (Bush’s FCC under Powell) started hitting him in the pocketbook, then he turned on them.)
Bobby G-
Trial delayed until election. Fitz has too much integrity and respect for “the system” to let his trial mess with the election. Once the election is over, they get pardoned. They (Repugs)expect to take the hit in this election cycle anyway and as long as everybody can expect a pardon (a pardon which will come too late to ruin the election that is already ruined anyway,)then the case will never get any bigger. After Scooter, nobody talks, everybody walks. They won’t go after each other for the goodof BushCo. BushCo. uber alles, baby.
Colin Powell’s son has been working diligently to limit radio access to the masses, among other things. Wasn’t he the head of the FCC for a while? Seems to me his name came up with regard to low frequency radio, and ownership regulations for radio, tv and print media in the same areas couple of years back.
The son has learned at his father’s knee.
Still, not entirely fair to tar him with his father’s brush, maybe
Get a load of this now up at Raw Story- ballsy little fuckers in the White House eh?
McClellan: Media Should “Publicly Apologize†For Reporting On Mobile Weapons Lab Story
On May 29, 2003, President Bush said “We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories.†This morning the Washington Post revealed that a Pentagon field report transmitted to Washington on May 27, 2003 “had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons.â€
Today during the White House press briefing, Scott McClellan demanded a public apology from the news media for covering the story:
You know, I saw some reporting talking about how this latest revelation — which is not something that is new; this is all old information that’s being rehashed — was an embarrassment for the White House. No, it’s an embarrassment for the media that is out there reporting this.
I brought up with some of you earlier today some of the reporting that was based of this Washington Post report. And I talked to one of network about it…they expressed their apologies to the White House.
I hope they will go and publicly apologize on the air about the statements that were made, because I think it is important given that they had made those statements in front of all their viewers. So we look forward to that happening as well.
McClellan’s complaint is that the Washington Post and others suggest that President Bush may have known about the report before he made definitive statements that the trailers were for the purpose of building biological weapons.
When McClellan was asked when the White House became aware of the Pentagon field report, however, McClellan couldn’t say. He told the press corps “I’m looking into that matter†but the answer was “not the point.â€
“I watched Powell’s UN talk, and it made me puke. He was the perfect example of a presenter uncomfortable with his material.”
Agree with kemo above…I lost any respect I had for him at that point. What the hell…sure, no smoking gun, but we’re going to war with evidence like satellite photos of unrecognizable junk and cartoon drawings of mobile labs?
Frank Probst,
I was wondering a few days/threads back whether Poppy and some of his spook friends might try to prevent further disasters in the White House….
Powell’s career in a nutshell:
Opening gambit, circa Vietnam War:
“My Lai? What My Lai? Nothing happened in My Lai!”
(enter Seymour Hersh to set the record straight)
Closing gambit, circa 2003 opening of the Third World War:
“Iraq has nuclear weapons! We must pre-emptively attack them!”
(again, enter Seymour Hersh and others to set the record straight)
Don’t forget Powell’s vial of anthrax b.s.
angie,
Speaking of anthrax, who exactly sent all that weapons grade anthrax in letters to liberal leaning media types?
I can’t remember how that turned out in the war on terror….
In defense of Powell, he is doing a lot more than any other Republican. He is also following in his own way, his Powell Doctrine, I guess. He’s is not attacking an enemy he cannot defeat easily, Bush, Cheney, Rove. Cheney, split off from Rove and Bush is in his opinion, the more vulnerable target.
Powell’s attacks also make it a lot tougher for Comstock to raise money for Scooter. They also put a lot more pressure on Scooter and all the Congressional Republicans.
Colon Powell? Everyone expresses surprise that Colon Powell would participate in a cover-up to advance his career? The same Colon Powell that helped cover-up My Lai? Ah, you must have read the self-serving autobiography. Colon has long been like his namesake–the sack where the shit sits until it get excreted.
For what it’s worth, Powell did make that comment in early July or late June 2003 for attribution, and it was used by Sanger and Risen in their July 12, 2003 story. Here’s a chunk of it. I’d say it’s worth revisiting the question of whether Powell got new information in the form of the newly reported NIC memo:
Other senior administration officials had been more cautious about the information. In a recent interview, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said that by the time he got to a meeting that Mr. Tenet attended at the C.I.A. three nights after the president’s Jan. 28 speech, Mr. Powell’s staff had already dismissed any thought of using the Africa claim to bolster the case the secretary was to make a few days later at the United Nations.
The intelligence agencies, Mr. Powell said, were “at that point not carrying it as a credible item.”
In a briefing with reporters on Thursday night in South Africa, Mr. Powell suggested that he had looked into the assertion more closely and decided it was not based on sufficiently reliable information to repeat to the United Nations.
“When I made my presentation to the United Nations and we really went through every single thing we knew about all of the various issues with respect to weapons of mass destruction, we did not believe that it was appropriate to use that example anymore,” he said. “It was not standing the test of time. And so I didn’t use it, and we haven’t used it since.”
Yesterday, Ms. Rice said Mr. Powell’s decision had not been driven by any new information but by longstanding concerns in the State Department’s own intelligence branch about whether the data was reliable.
rwcole -
You should read the transcript of that. Scott McFelon repeatedly TAUNTING the press to “apologize” for their “shameful” behavior. Like, about 8 times in a row.
Turn the spotlight around 180 degrees. Lame.
so Colin Powell admits he lied to the United Nations about the casus belli of an offensive war ???
by my reading of the Geneva Conventions, Colin Powell just confessed to committing Crimes Against Humanity
how does Powell differ from Herr Goebbles ???
both lied about the origins of an illegal war
somebody wanna try to convince me that this piece of shit is a hero ???
David Rees summed up Colin Powell’s “value” back on 11/16/04 quite nicely (scroll down to the 6th strip) at http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war43.html
And how about the old NYT? WHy wasn’t there a story based on an interview Powell had with not 1, not 2 but 3 reporters?
If Powell had resigned in protest back then, it’s entirely possible the Iraq debacle would never have happened. He’s one of the worst of the lot, as far as I’m concerned. Whore.
Bobby-I couldn’t find the transcript- the White House didn’t have it up yet when I checked. Is it up now?
Colin Powell wore the uniform. He sold a lot of soldiers down the river by covering up for Bush. He is beneath contempt. He led good men to slaughter because of his own political ambitions. If he hadn’t already given his balls to W., he would be a prime candidate for castration. Gulf War hero? No, he’ll go down in history as a simpering little political weasel. There is absolutely NOTHING good that can be said about this fellator.
Cleter @ 70: Bingo.
John Casper: Powell resigns with a simple statement “I can no longer act in good faith…” => No Iraq bullshit.
BobbyG, thanks for pointing that out. From what I can tell, they let Snottie get away with murder. Snottie comments on the CIA leak case everytime he wants to. Then when they ask him a direct question about it, he ducks behind “policy about ongoing investigations.” Then a few lines later, Snottie’s back commenting on the CIA leak case. As long as the WH Press corps allow him to get away with that, he’s going to keep doing it.
And now for a remake of Condi’s “mushroom cloud”.
Check this one out:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....orld_news#
Rademaker at State says that Iran can make a nuclear bomb in 16 days. We need to clobber the Administration over this crass propaganda.
rwcole and BobbyG–
Re: Mr McClellan’s tauntingof/apology demands from the press for reporting on the ‘Beneath The Valley of The Double-Wide’ trailer stories….
Always important to remember that they only smear that which they fear most.
Heck.
I’m expecting little Scottie to accuse Ms. Hamsher of actually being the illegitmate twin of Ms. Plame anyday now.
.
There are two memorable UN Security Council speech moments for the United States. The first was in 1962 by Adlai Stevenson as he showed the (properly) declassified aerial photos of the Soviet missle sites in Cuba. For a few days thereafter the world teetered at the brink of WWIII but adroit militrary-diplomacy tactics by the U.S. got the missles out of Cuba (and certain obsolete U.S. missles out of Turkey too).
The second moment was Colin Powell’s speech in February 2003 presenting the case for war with Iraq. It was initially reviewed as another great Stevenson moment by the compliant MSM. In the few months that followed this misperception was corrected. That speech is now seen as the garbage moment of Powell’s career. Them that remember Stevenson’s speech to the UN know that better than anyone else.
No One was found responsible for the anthrax. It was a strain the US was responsible for holding. As I recall, it was only targeted against Democrats in opposition………..
rwcole -
Here’s some from Salon.com…
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An ABC reporter tried again: “Was the president aware of the faxed field report?” McClellan snapped back: “I think it’s reckless reporting for ABC to go this morning and say that the Washington Post says that the president knew at the time what he was saying was not true.”
Reporter: So was the president made aware of the fact …
McClellan: And are you all going to apologize?
Reporter: Was the president made aware of the faxed field report?
McClellan: Are you all going to apologize for that?
Reporter: Was the president aware of the faxed field report?
McClellan: Is that a correct statement?
Reporter: Scott, was the president made aware of the field report that was faxed?
McClellan: Jessica, I just told you, I’ve asked the intelligence community what they based this paper on. I can’t tell you what they based their paper on. You have to. We’re not an intelligence-gathering agency.
Reporter: No, but was the field report faxed …
McClellan: The president made his comments based on this white paper that was publicly released by the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is the arm of the — which is an arm of the Pentagon …
Reporter: … The question is, was he aware of this report on May 27?
McClellan: I just told you — you shouldn’t make any assumptions, but you should go and ask the intelligence community what was this based on. I can’t tell you what they based that on. They’re the intelligence-gathering agency.
Reporter: You can tell us if the president had this information. Did he have this information?
McClellan: Jessica, this — I just saw this report. I’ll come back with more information if there is. But this is reckless reporting. And for you all to go on the air this morning and make such a charge is irresponsible …
A few minutes later, the ABC reporter asked McClellan to “clarify” what specifically was wrong with the Post’s article. “I’ve got to go,” McClellan said, then insisted that he’d already done just that. The reporter began to ask McClellan again whether he was denying that Bush was aware of the faxed report from the experts at the time he spoke about the supposed mobile weapons labs. McClellan cut her off.
McClellan: Hang on. Are you saying that the president went out there and said something that he knew was not true? That’s what you said on ABC News —
Reporter: I didn’t say anything on ABC News —
McClellan: ABC News said that this morning. And is ABC News going to apologize for making that assertion?
Reporter: My question is, are you denying that there was …
McClellan: You haven’t answered my question. Are you going to apologize for that?
Reporter: … contrary information?
McClellan: I just did, Jessica. I just answered that very question.
Link to Snottie McMuffin’s WH Press Bluffing today:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000353.php
So Scottie demands an apology from the press for implying that Clusterfuck would have been familiar with a memo from the Pentagon- and then can’t tell us when if ever Clusterfuck DID become familiar with the memo.
These guys really piss me off. Fuckin lying smug assholes! Shit!
immanentize;
good question…
No wonder Scott Ritter reacted so strongly to Colin Powell’s famous performance at the UN when he held up a vial of dry power representing dry anthrax. Only the Americans and the Russians have weaponized dry anthrax and here Powell was suggesting that the dry anthrax attack on American’s came from Iraq.(8) Ritter says “Colin Powell holds up a vial of dry power anthrax and he makes allusions to the attack on the United States through letters. That was U.S. government anthrax. It has nothing to do with Iraq.”(9)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO304B.html
Dru- #68– heheh; love that site.
From Larry Johnson’s blog. An excellent rebuttal to the wingnuts’ faulty assertions about Joe Wilson and Plamegate:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m......html#more
rwc–
you left out the illegitimate sister stuff.
it’s gotta be there….I just know it does….
Hey Jane,
I sent you this link last night. I’m glad you used it. Great job. If the rest of the GOP now follows Powell’s lead, there won’t be anyone left to offer support to bush - except maybe for the democrats who continue to amaze me. I didn’t know a person could stand up without a spine.
Andrea Mitchell on Hardball just said Israel has nuclear weapons! They’ve had them for 40 years now but it was unthinkable to say that openly in “polite company”…
I tire of hearing the pundits say how the poor little dauphin is getting bad information from his staff and is ill-served by his advisors. And it’s not only Republicans making such excuses, it’s the Democrats too.
Bush does not get a pass if he has let his veep take command and control. It’s the president that is in charge and making the decisions… or so we have been told over and over again.
let’s be fair and examine this in 3 ways.
1. Colin Powell is a spineless traitor who could have stopped the slaughter and did nothing because of his sense of fear or reward. He was a military officer and he knows that the war criminals were sent to prison, when they are caught.
2. He is trying to tell us that shrub is as stupid as he appears and dick is running things and telling the maroon what to say.
3. He knows that he is a redundant and discarded ex employee that no one cares about and he is exacting his revenge
if you can think of other ways to examine it, by all means!
Bush’s 2003 SOTU speech was on Jan 28th, I believe, and Powell’s speech to the UN was after that, on Feb. 3rd. So why the hell didn’t he CLEAR UP that little Niger uranium misunderstanding?
It would have been sooooo easy to do. He and Wilkerson argued with the administration about what to include in the speech and what was bogus, so why not add the Niger facts right up front?
old tree–
are each of your three possibilities necessarily mutually exclusive?
In the meantime, scottie is demanding the press apologize for covering this story !!!
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/.....apologize/
sorry rwcole, I didn’t see your post.
I’m on my way out the door. I’ll be back for late nite.
Powell has often cited George Marshall as his beau ideal of a soldier-statesman. During the Big Lie campaign to sell the war, I wonder if he ever rationalized FDR’s provocative posturing towards the Axis as sufficient precedent for his own treachery? I’d wager that’s exactly what he did.
Re: Condi, 16 DAYS to a nuke? LMAO!
And then, of course, 45 minutes to deployability. Grave, Grave threat.
“…run AWAY, run AWAY…”
BTW have I said today how much I hate these thugs and want the impeached and then imprisoned… all of them
Thanks for the link John- from the transcript:
“QUESTION: Well, of course, that is what they would say. That is what they always say. My point is this: If intelligence that is at 180 degrees variance from what was officially put out by the United States government is coming in, you would think that somebody might take notice and say, we better look at this and get this to the White House right away.
SCOTT McCLELLAN: Well, the article says that was incorporated into the Iraq Survey Group. Again, I can tell you what the President made his comments based on. And I think this is just, frankly, reckless reporting.
QUESTION: So the President was not aware of the fact –
QUESTION: — President was so definitive –
SCOTT McCLELLAN: And I think it’s reckless reporting for ABC to go this morning and say that The Washington Post says that the President knew at the time what he was saying was not true.
QUESTION: So was the President made aware of the fact –
SCOTT McCLELLAN: And are you all going to apologize?
QUESTION: Was the President made aware of the faxed field report?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: Are you all going to apologize for that?
QUESTION: Was the President aware of the faxed field report?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: Is that a correct statement?
QUESTION: Scott, was the President made aware of the field report that was faxed?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: Jessica, I just told you, I’ve asked the intelligence community what they based this paper on. I can’t tell you what they based their paper on. You have to. We’re not an intelligence-gathering agency.
QUESTION: No, but was the field report faxed –
SCOTT McCLELLAN: The President made his comments based on this white paper that was publicly released by the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is the arm of the — which is an arm of the Pentagon –
QUESTION: — President have access to material before it’s declassified, so the question is, was he aware of this report on May 27th?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: I just told you — you shouldn’t make any assumptions, but you should go and ask the intelligence community what was this based on. I can’t tell you what they based that on. They’re the intelligence-gathering agency.
QUESTION: You can tell us if the President had this information. Did he have this information?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: Jessica, this — I just saw this report. I’ll come back with more information if there is. But this is reckless reporting. And for you all to go on the air this morning and make such a charge is irresponsible.
QUESTION: But the President spoke very definitively –
SCOTT McCLELLAN: And I hope that ABC would apologize for it and make a correction on the air.—–”
The slimy fucker absolutely REFUSED to answer the key question- from that I believe we can conclude that Clustefuck DID know about the report when he made his lyin comments. I can’t fuckin believe what these guys do and say.
Powell is just as much of a dirtbag and coward as the rest of the administration.
By the way, remember this?
In 2001, Powell and Rice both said sanctions were working.
But then they both started pretending they never thought that.
about Diane Feinstein;
is anyone else as worried as me that the grassroots of the blogs is going to turn the demos into little meat puppets? It has been years now that we know the admin is a terrorist one, devoid of law as we know it. Now, these flakes are ignoring that, and trying to protect themselves.
I get the impression that hillary and diane are just 4 pounds of shit hiding in a oversized dress. we have Russ and maybe a handful of others that actually care about their constituents, and the rest are human garbage that needs to be thrown out.
we need to get rid of all of our congress people. recall them all, and then get new ones in that will work for us. The ones that are there now that can earn that, by all means.
those that do not, good riddance.
Ot.
Headline in today’s Oregonian,section B Pg 6.
Plenty of seats left for Ashcroft speech.
Vancouver event/an organizer is perplexed by slack demand for tickets to tonights event.
Vancouver -With ONLY 100 TICKETS SOLD IN ADVANCE,Washington State University Vancouver officials are hoping for a large walk-up audience tonight for a speech by former U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft. (my emphasis)
Lol.
An 1100 seat auditorium and only 100 tickets sold.
Priceless.
Harry Reid really needs to get that commission going looking into how intelligence was used or misused on the run up to war. And it needs to be done quickly on a parallel track to getting these insane, lying, Christo-Fascist thugs out of office. At this point, I really don’t know if we can afford to wait three years.
Colin Powell drives a PT Cruiser.
As if PT Cruisers or Colin Powell needed any more help in looking uncool.
FOCUS PEOPLE, FOCUS: WE’RE ABOUT TO NUKE IRAN.
THIS SHOULD SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYONE.
IT’S SO CRACKED, SO WEIRD.
SEY HERSH WAS ON DEMOCRACY NOW THIS A.M. AND HE SAID SOME IN THE MILITARY SEE IT AS CRAZY. MESSIANIC.
www.democracynow.org
Greg Palast was also on this a.m. talking about Hugo Chavez and Venezuela. Did you know they have more oil than Saudi Arabia? It’s heavy crude but still…we could save so much on shipping if we just invade or “take out” Hugo as we have tried to do.
TWO OF THE THREE BEST INVESTIGATE JOURNALISTS ON THE PLANET RIGHT NOW, with Murray Waas the 3rd.
Post script for above post. Giving credit where it is due. Above article byline is Allen Brettman.
Jeff — that’s a good article but Sanger and Risen did not write that until after Wilson published his oped and Tenet fell on his sword. There is no indication that it became for attribution until after Joe Wilson made the issue public. Either that, or Risen and Sanger mysteriously sat on the story for for a week and a half. I’m not seeing anything that gets Powell off the hook here.
seepeesate -
I’m reminded of Dr. David Kessler tobacco industry antagonist, ex- head of FDA (if I’m recalling correctly), who once said on “60 Minutes” ‘if you’re worried about keeping your job, you can’t do your job.’
Powell should have resigned in protest. Condi, well, she’s just the house ho’ who’s angling to be President.
Re the Oregonian story on Ashcroft’s speech not selling, even at $10 a ticket (!): The gal quoted in the story is flummoxed as to why nobody is interested in hearing Ashcroft talk. She is wondering why the Republican Party here in Oregon, at the very least, isn’t pushing people to come out to see him.
That just kills me. That, and the fact that his speech topic is civil liberties.
Note to self: Send that woman a dictionary with the definition of “irrelevant” highlighted.
Suzanne, I got the same response from Feinstein - so disappointing. At least we have Barbara Boxer here in CA.
But back to Colin Powell, I never could understand why he made that presentation at the UN. Up until then I kept expecting him to come out against invading Iraq because he didn’t seem to support it. The “evidence” he presented seemed very thin to me even at the time. It was all these grainy satellite photos that looked like they were taken from Mars, with tiny vehicles and buildings that we were assured could be nothing but smoking guns for nukes and chemical weapons.
I think maybe Powell had presidential aspirations and was going along to protect his future with the GOP (see John McCain). Once things started falling apart in Iraq, he knew that all this would eventually come out and he would never be able to live down that UN presentation. If all had gone as planned in Iraq, the truth about WMD wouldn”t have been as damaging because the administration would have said “all’s well that ends well” and Powell would have skated.
I hope Colin Powell eventually expains why he was willing to throw away thousands of lives and his own reputation for nothing. I’d really lke to know.
I love it when people type their demands on what people should be FOCUSING ON in all caps.
Oh wait. No, I don’t.
Would Ashcroft’s shitty singing count as free speech? ‘Cos “Let the Eagle Soar” makes me throw up a little.
Bustedknuckels, that’s hysterical! A couple weeks ago I talked to several people at an antiwar protest, and no one even wanted to protest him. He’s not in gov’t anymore, so it didn’t seem worth it.
Haha, and even the local Repubs don’t care. I love it.
Mr. Powell was willing to compromise what he thought passed for integrity for a chance at self aggrandizement when he accepted the position in the administration. Why is anyone surprised that he is consistent in his hypocrisy?
Bustednuckles-
Would you pay to hear Ashcroft spew his venom? I sure wouldn’t.
Doesn’t bode well for the juggernaut of
Ashcroft ‘08, does it?
Based on the transcript, I don’t think the White House press corps let Scottie off the hook today. I think Rove sent him out there with orders to attack attack attack, and the press just kept relentlessly asking the same question: Did Bush see the report that said those things weren’t weapons labs? Scottie was repeatedly asked and repeatedly refused to answer.
A couple years ago, I blog-whored all over the blogosphere re: Olbermann and what a mensch I thought he was. In every comment, I included his Cornell convocation speech about his quitting msnbc during the Clinton impeachment hogfest. Recall his first use of ‘moral force’ in that, but also recall his mentioning a conversation with a DC insider about how many honest decent reps and senators are on the Hill. Seems to me it was 6 or less. DiFi definitely not one of them.
www.news.cornell.edu/campus/Olbermann_speech.html
Looks to me as if Scottie got caught in a half truth- and decided to bluff his way through by attacking the press. That’s the kind of thing, by the way, that REALLY pisses reporters off.
I would be VERY surprised if he doesn’t get grilled on the same subject next time.
“Powell would like to drive the bus BigTime gets thrown under — and then be appointed VP in his place. This is his Rehab Road.”
Yes, Teddy, and his tombstone should say,
“Here lies Colin the Coward who has the blood of thousands on his hands”.
Frank Probst (#48) - I think of Powell as this administration’s Londo Mollari, a man who ignored his conscience in pursuit of a “greater good”.
I never understood the canonization of Powell.
As late as November of 2005, he was still blaming the failure of prewar intelligence on the CIA.
Where is the General now? A venture capitalist out in Silicon Valley cashing in with his son on Michael’s FCC experience.
Another thought on Scottie: When Scottie goes out there and weaves and ducks and won’t give a straight answer, the headline should start “White House Refuses to Deny…” I saw a few of those after the NIE mess. I’m hoping to see a lot more.
A couple of people have alluded to it upthread:
Powell’s career really started in 1968, when, as Major Powell of the Americal Division, he was given the task of covering up the My Lai massacre under the guise of conducting an investigation.
He did such a good job that the massacre didn’t come to light for another year - plus; by then his superiors had recognized his skills at comforting the comfortable and he had moved on to bigger and better things.
Those who followed his career in the Army knew that he was (to paraphrase Martin Sheen’s line in “Apocalypse Now”)being groomed for a top slot in the corporation. And he has proven to be the perfect little company man.
Frank–Good point- that’s exactly what happened- and it should be reported that way.
re: My previous post - Lawrence Wilkerson would be Powell’s Vir.
Cujo359
Exactly. He’s Londo! Bush always reminds me of that evil, illegitimate president from Babylon 5.
Aren’t you happy somebody caught your B5 reference? I made a reference to Stinkor from He-Man yesterday, and nobody caught it. Sniff. Nobody remembers Stinkor.
“The reporting I saw this morning was simply reckless and it was irresponsible,” White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. “The lead in The Washington Post left this impression for the reader that the president was saying something he knew at the time not to be true. That is absolutely false, and it is irresponsible.”
No, Scotty, it is going to turn out to be documentably true. You can run, but you can’t hide.
Scooter et al was supposed to file motions today. Has it hit the streets yet? CNN said he was “running late”…
The hairball of hair-splitting lies is growing larger by the day, almost comically so.
If brains were shit, Bush wouldn’t be able to fart.
It is obvious why Powell held back. Thay have something on him. Have you ever seen the little village people dance video?
Powell is gay!
Too bad Colin didn’t have the backbone to speak up before we embarked on this catastrophe!
Anyone recall who said this to who:
“Your poll numbers are in the 70s. You can afford to lose a few points.”
Colin Powell is a fucking tool. May he rot in the hell of his own creation.
Anyone have the over/under on ccmask’s prediction?
cleter @ 2:37 pm (#123) - Yes, I’m glad someone remembers. The series was all about the choices the characters made and the consequences that resulted. I can’t think of a TV show that’s more reminiscent of what’s going on these days, except maybe Battlestar Galactica or, for obvious reasons, this seaon’s 24. These days, The West Wing looks more like science fiction than B5.
Nobody remembers Stinkor. Sadly, I’m among them. It appears, though, that he’s known to someone at the Wikipedia.
cleter #112,
Persnally, I wouldn’t walk across the street to spit on him.
Muzzy 129
Didn’t Leo say that to President Bartlett?
God, how I wish I lived in the alternate universe where Martin Sheen was president. This universe sucks.
cleter #134 - Hell, I’d settle for Geena Davis.
Here is the video of Powell as the hard-hat guy doing YMCA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/vi.....cox_vi.ram
#25
See e.g., Bob Dylan, Masters of War
Even Jesus wouldn’t forgive the things that you do….
Regarding Feinstein: In the past three years, she voted to place her trust on declaring war into the hands of GW Bush; has voted in support of the bankruptcy bill; and voted in support of the administration’s medicaire “reform”.
She has also purchased a $16 million dollar home in the Pacific Heights Area of San Francisco.
To repeat: She voted in favor of the bankruptcy bill, and then bought a $16 million dollar mansion.
She is a Bushite to the marrow of her bones. The best anyone can do in California this November is to withhold casting a vote on her behalf.
Dr Bong
Agreed. I’d settle for Geena davis, too. Jimmy Smits. Anything. Well, maybe not President Weasel from 24, but just about anything else.
Cujo359
I’m trying to imagine somebody perusing wikipedia, and saying “Dammit! there’s nothing on Stinkor!” and then writing that entry. The mind reels.
I’m not seeing anything that gets Powell off the hook here.
Jane - I agree. Powell is a disgrace. I just thought it was at least worth noting where that quote that Sanger reused for this weekend’s story came from. It would be interesting to know whether Powell said it on the record at the time, which would pre-date the Wilson op-ed, and the Times didn’t get around to using it until two weeks later, or whether Powell said it on background and then let it be known it could be used for attribution at some later date.
In any case, I’d really like the real answer to the question of why Powell didn’t use the Niger story in his UN presentation such a short time after the SOTU. Let’s just say I don’t trust Rice to tell us the truth on this. So i wonder whether there really was new information that led Powell to not use it.
Yep, Cheney to Powell before the UN schtick.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0719-20.htm
What does it say about the OVP when someone fully complicit in this criminal debacle calls the entirity of Libby and Cheney’s would be production ‘bullshit’?
New thread. Apparently, someone named Harry has a good point.
new thread!
Powell= traitor to America=lies
Bush = traitor to America=lies
Cheney=ditto
Let’s stop the mythology of Powell as an upstanding, sober analyst of the truth who did not fit in to the Bush administration
He fit perfectly.
Now we see him making a fine living giving speeches while the rest of us, victims of his lies, wonder how we can afford heating costs
He is set–and I suspect he knew that. That is all any of them want –a cushy life with fame and “reputation” so they can continue on making big bucks and desperately want to preserve their “reputation” as defenders of the American people
In the end, few will be held accountable. They are engenues.They are unassailableand they will continue to make big bucks in spite of their selling out. They threw their lot with George Bush, the biggest liar of president ever who is repsonsible for the killings of tens of thousands of people all based on LIES
You have proven yourself to be a toady , Powell
And I don’t think you care.
There’s a new thread that’s not about Man-whore Powell, Stinkor, or Babylon 5.
More “Masters of War”
(Sorry to good not to submit)
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death’ll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I’ll stand o’er your grave
‘Til I’m sure that you’re dead
Colin Powell: BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT EVER!!
–Corey #24
I’m surprised to see so much of that sentiment on this thread. Colin Powell has long been a no good lying son of a bitch. Think about it. An honorable man doesn’t allow a gawdawful farce like this Iraq invasion to happen when he is in a position to do something about. He had deeply inbedded sleazebucket genes in his bones to begin with or he couldn’t have done it. There is no honor in so called loyalty when it leads to this murderous mess.
Plus, if you all would really take a good look at his history, well, you would have seen it coming.
Powell is scum. He got his boost covering up a war crime. His doctrine - the “powell doctrine” explicitly makes no difference between civilians and military both are to be subjected to “overwhelming force.” - That’s working out really well isn’t it? He knowingly deliberately lied to get yet another war for his masters and is now trying to escape the consequences. I’m in the process of writing about this pathetic excuse for a “soldier” who is the spriritual blood brother of those German “officers” and “gentlemen “(bwaaaaaahahahaha) who abetted Hitler’s rise to power. He’s cowardly scum he always was he always will be. He’s the perfect exemplar of the Amercican dream gone disastrously wrong lots of immigrants and children of immigrants are the cream and rise to the top that’s the dream. Unfortunately he exemplifies the nightmare - shit floats too.
Colin Powell knew exactly what he was doing when he presented to the UN. He had the replica of Picasso’s “Guernica” at the UN covered so he and his audience would not see the eyes from that painting looking out at him and them. There is no excuse now for what he did then to enable the deaths of so many.
markfromireland @ 3:11 pm (#148) - Hard to say how it would have worked out, but the Iraq War is not an example of the Powell doctrine in action. Rumsfeld used the minimum force he thought he could use to subdue Iraq, which is the opposite of what Powell advocated. The Persian Gulf War was an example of the Powell doctrine, and that went pretty well.
As for the civilians/military (non)distinction, I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
Amen, Jane, amen.
Colin Powell seems to have enough dirt to spread around to protect himself, but he was missing in action when it counted. 2300+ dead Americans and probably 100,000 dead Iraqis later, Powell steps up to set the record straight.
Bullshit.
brendan #21>”…Expecting “honor†from colin “my lai†powell is like expecting dog shit to smell like daffodils.”
Ah yes, Mr. My Lai Whitewash
And as far as Mr.Powell`s son is concerned note :
His son is a lawyer that recently removed himself as Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission & he did serve in the U.S. Army
Michael Powell, while a member of the FCC, was one of the leaders in turning the broadcast media over to those that now own it
not the best of histories…
“The wind blows over the surface of the lake. In this way, the effects of the invisible are made visible.” - I Ching
Powell is pond scum - a ‘company man’.
My Lai. Then he was up to his ass in missiles during Iran Contra - would’ve been indicted except for his boss being pardoned. He always does what his masters want and looks and sounds good doing it.
I never trusted him - and when there was talk of him as a candidate, I believed he didn’t run because his past would come out.
I’m regret to report that Grand Prairie, Texas, is home to both Colin Powell Elementary School and Barbara Bush Elementary School.
Kill me now.
Jane,
Please, please, PLEASE stop writing “lead” for “led” (and “mislead” for “misled.” If I see it one more time, I think MY head’s gonna explode!
Did anyone hear Hitchens call Powell “Bushs Bitch” on Hardball?? Last 10 minutes of the show…catch the rerun. Unbelievable.
Before the war, I was not able to convince dozens of my Democratic and very smart neighbors that invading Iraq was a foolish and dangerous idea. While they didn’t trust the Bush administration for a minute, they trusted Colin Powell. Their words verbatim…”If Colin Powell supports the idea, it must be true.” I will never forgive that man.
I agree with Scheer, throwing Cheney under the bus is one thing. What’s worse is that he threw Joe Wilson under the bus. Joe Wilson has been under attack for two years now for his Niger investigation, and only now Powell gets around to telling the truth. What a coward.
Does anyone else think that this sounds a lot like Son of Sam blaming the dog?
Powell is now wedded to the Iraq mess. He is as wedded to it as Dick the prick and George the Uranus. This is his legacy. Think Stormin’ Norman isn’t laughting his ass off.
Powell did the same thing during the My Lai investigation and lied his ass off to save the “company”.
His legacy will be summed up in one word: Mephisto.
Two words come to mind - depraved indifference.
Two more - criminal negligence
Like so many in this dreadful continuation of Watergate and Iran/contra, Colon Bowell was a quintissential ‘ Kiss up - Kick down’ sort of guy.
He should die screaming - just like the rest.
John — are you suggesting that the appropriate usage would be “to leak classified information to misled Judy Miller into believing it was true?”
Because if you are I think we may be speaking a different language.
At one time, I could actually name two Republicans that I would have considered voting for — Powell was one of them. When he became Bush’s Secretary of State, I even started to think — hey, maybe Bush won’t be so bad.
Now, with the help of snake-pit therapy provided by the Bush administration, I’ve made a full recovery
Sigh! Colin Powell is such an incredible disappointment. I understand that having a military background conditions a person to defer to superiors in many cases but Powell seriously underestimated the power he had to derail the entire process.
Working from within may have seemed the best option at the time but when you’re in deep water with sharks like Cheney and Rumsfeld, you don’t stick around to see if they’re going to do the right thing.
All Powell had to do was resign. Or failing to be quite so dramatic, tip off the press that the administration was twisting the intelligence.
I’m embarassed that Powell seems proud to have known the truth while choosing to do nothing about it. How does he sleep at night knowing that his “loyalty” may have cost the lives of 2400+ U.S. soldiers and countless Iraqi innocents? Sad!
It’s worth noting that a) Robert Scheer is and has been doing fantastic work for as long as I’ve been reading him and b) The LA Times dropped him recently.
fooj, did you also hear that ass Hitchens say that Wilson was WRONG about Niger. He has some flimsy story about somebody going to Niger in 1998 and “what else would he be going there for since there’s nothing in Niger but yellowcake?” Powell may be “Bush’s Bitch” but so is Hitchens IMHO.
Having Powel as the straight patriot career military man front for their BS was the most cynical ploy. He is a murdered and he covered the my lai massacre… he’s powell doctrine is nothing more than mayhem squared.
I dispise him. He was pushed forward because he was a black man from a poor background and these creeps can’t control themselves when they smell cash and power.
Too little too late. Powell is just as complicit in this fiasco. Lying scumbags all of them. He should have been a real hero, like Wilson and told the truth. This all just gets more sickening by the day.
fuck you colon bowel.
108 lisa says: April 12th, 2006 at 2:21 pm: I love it when people type their demands on what people should be FOCUSING ON in all caps. Oh wait. No, I don’t [/quote]
Ok honey, try this, see if you can h e a r :
“Focus people, focus: we’re about to nuke Iran.
This should scare the sh*t out of everyone.
It’s so cracked, so weird.
Sy Hersh was on Democracy Now this a.m. and he said some in the military see it as crazy. Messianic.”
[end quote] Ok? even without the caps, it still looks like WWIII.
Take Action Now
Okay. What’s up with Colin protecting Bush? And if you catch Brownie-heck-of-a-job, he does the same exact thing on his rounds.
There are others but those are the two that stand out in today’s load of crap to shelter Bush. Ongoing load of crap.
Thoughts folks. And where is Bernard Kerik these days, and what’s he pulling down from the private sector?
it was always worse….
i think that i have been banned from certain supposedly leftie sites for saying it,but i shall say it again…..
how could so many be so brain dead concerning yellowcake and its acquisition?
surely some must have encountered my disquistions on reprocessing reality that i posted at kos, at eschaton.
but perhaps not. the anti-fascists are really not out there. as i keep discovering.
what was always so crazy about the yellowcake stories is how no one parsed the deceit. and the deceit was so obvious.
i cannot retrieve those essays. that hard drive fried. but perhaps some of you remember them. to the best of my recollection, i was one of the few at the eschaton site elucidating the realities of yellowcake acquisition and its enrichment.
essays that pinpointed the bushit with technical accuracy.
the only other poster who relayed similar realities was gordon prather on the lew rockwell site.
and there was a canadian journalist, eric margolis.
to the best of my knowledge, we were the few that tried to tell the truth about yellowcake.
as early as 2001/2002 - when the first bushit sabers where being unsheathed.
demtillians ignored what we had to say as fervently as reptillians.
and it concerns me that purportedly anti-fascist sites ban us. makes me wonder about identities.
i close this way. any of you who read me on the atrios blogspot know what i said about yellowcake. in 2003, you might have thought me wrong. what do you think today, 3 years later?
and tell me, please, did i deserve banishment?
for telling you the truth?
is the left much different from the right?
not in my appraisal.
Cathy (Comment #23):
In terms of Colin Powell’s son: Don’t worry about holding Powell’s son accountable for his father’s crimes. He’S done enough damage of his own at the FCC to warrant a special place in hell (next to his dad, Cheney, Von Rumsfeld, etc).
Cujo359: If Powell is Londo Molari, does that make our Toxic Texan, Emperor Cattargia? My wife always says that those who Bush have trampled are like the Severed heads that lunatic talked to! Also, does that mean the entire world is to be set on fire so that Smirky can achieve “godhood”? Perhaps this explains the focus on Iran. Bush can’t ascend, unless… Babylon5 fans may recall, that when this path was chosen, Londo’s aide put a knife in one of Cartigga’s hearts (unlike Bush who doesn’t have ONE). By the way, who would be Vir Cotto? I don’t buy Cleter’s view of Wilkinson as that character If only we had a bumbling, mumbling honest man like Vir to do what needed to be done! Then again, Vir only did the right thing by accident.
Said Colin “What, My Lai?” Powell as he looked up from his doctored reports of Iraqi Intel, “Hey, the dog ate my reports on that hamlet in Vietnam, so I just made some shit up, whitewashed the details and give our boys a pass. Since then I’ve gotten even better at the game of ‘cover my six’.
What time is Happy Hour at the Club?”
There are two kinds of people who get ahead in a large bureaucracy (corporate or government, they’re the same): (1) those who are so capable and brilliant that they achieve it, (2) and those who are fairly smart, but so diplomatic, so malleable and ingratiating that they slime their way to the top. Powell is clearly the latter type.
He’s a cut and run coward, sacrificing truth and democratic principles for his own advancement. There is seldom justice, but Powell’s disgrace is justice enough for me.
I lost respect for Powell when he had an opportunity to run for president and he choked…i knew it was something fishy about him then…he chose loyalty to the bush clan over duty to country….fuck powell and his hands are just as bloody as the rest of the bush trash…he is a traitor
This is the guy who wanted to nuke Baghdad during the first Gulf War in 1991. Anyone who thinks that he is a good guy is lying to themselves.
Ron Russell @ 12:06 am (#174) - You and your wife have a point. Bush does seem a bit daft at times, and the whole rapture thing just strikes me as uncomfortably analogous to Cartagia’s ideas about godhood.
Another Mollari quote to consider: Only an idiot would fight a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts.
We’re haven’t quite reached the Kingdom of Idiots yet, but we’re well on our way. Besides the two active wars, we have Iran and North Korea, and we seem to be doing our best to isolate ourselves from anyone who might be inclined to help us.
I don’t buy Cleter’s view of Wilkinson as that character
Actually, that was my view. I’ve read enough about Wilkerson to imagine him saying things like “some favors come with too high a price” to Powell back when they were at State. Could be wrong of course, but he’s my candidate for now.
What I’m trying to figure out is who is Morden in this Administration? Chalabi? Libby? Stay tuned.
I once had respect for Colin Powell. I now have nothing but contempt. Where are the three cornerstones of American military officers:
“Duty - Honor - Country”.
He did not do his Duty to find out the truth and not promote a lie.
He has lost all Honor as a man and a public official.
He has betrayed his Country.
In other times, he would be stood up before his fellow soldiers, and his rank and honors would be physically stripped from him and ignominiously drummed out.
Too bad they don’t do that anymore, it would be a fit punishment
Ah yes, Colin Powell. Can’t wait for blurb on him in the history books now that we have a growing chorus of generals calling for Rumsfeld’s resignation or firing. In that chorus is Army Maj. Gen. John Batiste who walked away from a third star because it was getting so bad.
The last line in our Declaration of Independence reads, “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”
Powell doesn’t hold up too well in hindsight.
damn shame..i can honestly say i knew he was lying that morning at the UN. This guy was somebody i had so much respect for.. i don’t think i want his book on my bookshelf.