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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/12/moderation-in-the-face-of-chaos/#comment-65773</link>
		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Recently, I heard on a local “60s-70s Rock” radio station a political ad for a male Republican running for a judgeship. A woman’s voice at the beginning of the ad stated: “People have the right to freedom of religion, but they don’t have the right to be free from religion.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whaaaaat?!?!?!? I was driving at the time and almost ran off the road.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Only a fundie could come up with a campaign slogan so anti-Democracy and anti-First Amendment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would love to ask this judicial candidate and his spokeswoman why they hate America so much.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You see, freedom is freedom.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But some people have the insane idea that their freedom is derived from and maintained by taking freedom away from others. Unfortunately, this only represents a recipe for tyranny. Repressive, cruel, deadly, batshit-insane tyranny.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But then all fundies are the same.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many of the ancestors of the founders of our Democracy fled from the Old World to escape religious tyranny. They travelled across the Atlantic looking for religious freedom…for themselves and their families. Many of these Old World immigrants, though, once they got to America, ended up just being religious tyrants themselves. Other religions were banned. Anyone not properly practicing “their” religion was punished. In other words, they just imported from the Old World their own brand of religious intolerance, hatred and tyranny.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And then something wonderful happened…Democracy. But not just any majority-rules pseudo-democracy (like the hardcore, religious fundie one Bush is allowing to be established in the “liberated” Iraq). One with a Bill of Rights with a First Amendment guaranteeing all American citizens certain inalienable, and supposedly unassailable, rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the fundies have been assailing the inalienable rights of U.S. citizens ever since.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And what is one of the primary freedoms of all U.S. citizens? Freedom of Religion. And what is required for a U.S. citizen to have freedom of religion? The just as essential right to be free from religious tyranny. Or any type of tyranny for that matter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These two inalienable, essential and supposedly unassailable rights of U.S. citizens go hand in hand. Otherwise, the door to religious tyranny opens, unleashing all manner of horror on a nation’s citizens and it’s children, including, of course, the one’s responsible for pulling this evil stunt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I was shocked at what this woman on the radio said. Because this is exactly the anti-Democracy agenda being pushed on America by the likes of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson and, apparently, this Republican trying to get elected as a judge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Their “religious freedom” is all that matters to them. And the freedom of everyone else who’s not a member of their religion? Fuck their freedom.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I get their message. Do you?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, yes, there is a war going on in America. But the war I am waging isn’t against Christianity, or Islam, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or whatever. The war I am waging is against any individual or group of individuals actively out to subvert our democracy so they can setup their nefarious, anti-Democracy tyranny.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If a Communist dictator showed up and tried to pull this stunt, I would resist with all my strength. If an al Qaeda or Taliban dictator showed up, I would resist with all my might. But as it is, the only dictators who have shown up, so far, are the religious fundamentalist dictators promoting their monopolistic right-wing religious tyranny. Nope. Never. Nyet. Forget it, assholes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will defend our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our First Amendment, to my last breath, to keep our freedom-loving democracy from falling into your evil, vile, religious tyrannical hands.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just as I swore to defend these beautiful things and defend all my fellow citizens from tyranny when I entered the US Air Force many years ago. Back then the main threat to our beloved Democracy was the Communists. Today the main threat is from all the batshit-insane religious fundamentalists in the world, including our own. I swore a solemn oath then, and I will always honor this oath.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, I heard on a local “60s-70s Rock” radio station a political ad for a male Republican running for a judgeship. A woman’s voice at the beginning of the ad stated: “People have the right to freedom of religion, but they don’t have the right to be free from religion.”</p>
<p>Whaaaaat?!?!?!? I was driving at the time and almost ran off the road.</p>
<p>Only a fundie could come up with a campaign slogan so anti-Democracy and anti-First Amendment.</p>
<p>I would love to ask this judicial candidate and his spokeswoman why they hate America so much.</p>
<p>You see, freedom is freedom.</p>
<p>But some people have the insane idea that their freedom is derived from and maintained by taking freedom away from others. Unfortunately, this only represents a recipe for tyranny. Repressive, cruel, deadly, batshit-insane tyranny.</p>
<p>But then all fundies are the same.</p>
<p>Many of the ancestors of the founders of our Democracy fled from the Old World to escape religious tyranny. They travelled across the Atlantic looking for religious freedom…for themselves and their families. Many of these Old World immigrants, though, once they got to America, ended up just being religious tyrants themselves. Other religions were banned. Anyone not properly practicing “their” religion was punished. In other words, they just imported from the Old World their own brand of religious intolerance, hatred and tyranny.</p>
<p>And then something wonderful happened…Democracy. But not just any majority-rules pseudo-democracy (like the hardcore, religious fundie one Bush is allowing to be established in the “liberated” Iraq). One with a Bill of Rights with a First Amendment guaranteeing all American citizens certain inalienable, and supposedly unassailable, rights.</p>
<p>And the fundies have been assailing the inalienable rights of U.S. citizens ever since.</p>
<p>And what is one of the primary freedoms of all U.S. citizens? Freedom of Religion. And what is required for a U.S. citizen to have freedom of religion? The just as essential right to be free from religious tyranny. Or any type of tyranny for that matter.</p>
<p>These two inalienable, essential and supposedly unassailable rights of U.S. citizens go hand in hand. Otherwise, the door to religious tyranny opens, unleashing all manner of horror on a nation’s citizens and it’s children, including, of course, the one’s responsible for pulling this evil stunt.</p>
<p>So, I was shocked at what this woman on the radio said. Because this is exactly the anti-Democracy agenda being pushed on America by the likes of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson and, apparently, this Republican trying to get elected as a judge.</p>
<p>Their “religious freedom” is all that matters to them. And the freedom of everyone else who’s not a member of their religion? Fuck their freedom.</p>
<p>I get their message. Do you?</p>
<p>So, yes, there is a war going on in America. But the war I am waging isn’t against Christianity, or Islam, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or whatever. The war I am waging is against any individual or group of individuals actively out to subvert our democracy so they can setup their nefarious, anti-Democracy tyranny.</p>
<p>If a Communist dictator showed up and tried to pull this stunt, I would resist with all my strength. If an al Qaeda or Taliban dictator showed up, I would resist with all my might. But as it is, the only dictators who have shown up, so far, are the religious fundamentalist dictators promoting their monopolistic right-wing religious tyranny. Nope. Never. Nyet. Forget it, assholes.</p>
<p>I will defend our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our First Amendment, to my last breath, to keep our freedom-loving democracy from falling into your evil, vile, religious tyrannical hands.</p>
<p>Just as I swore to defend these beautiful things and defend all my fellow citizens from tyranny when I entered the US Air Force many years ago. Back then the main threat to our beloved Democracy was the Communists. Today the main threat is from all the batshit-insane religious fundamentalists in the world, including our own. I swore a solemn oath then, and I will always honor this oath.</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;whoops– sorry hostesses, please delete.  Too many windows open as I was trying to shut down the puter and hit submit on an open one. ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/12/moderation-in-the-face-of-chaos/#comment-65742</link>
		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;dannyboy #74&lt;br /&gt;
Precisely– there is so much wrong with what she says– I was working on that part of her commentary;  thanks for that!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Additionally,  does she even know the history of the wars fought in&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dannyboy #74<br />
Precisely– there is so much wrong with what she says– I was working on that part of her commentary;  thanks for that!</p>
<p>Additionally,  does she even know the history of the wars fought in</p>
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		<title>By: timewarp</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/12/moderation-in-the-face-of-chaos/#comment-65481</link>
		<dc:creator>timewarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whoa. From a new &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/12/AR2006041201789.html&quot;&gt;Wapo article&lt;/a&gt; on the trailer lies:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The White House sought to further rebut the Post article with a series of “Setting the Record Straight” statements e-mailed to reporters. In the statements, the White House does not deny the existence of the technical team’s report but portrays it as a preliminary finding, contrasting that report with a public white paper put out by the CIA on May 28, 2003. The CIA paper described the trailers as the “strongest evidence to date that Iraq was hiding a biological warfare program.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;The White House provided a “link” to a CIA Web site where the white paper is still posted, nearly 18 months after its conclusions were refuted by the Iraq Survey Group.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The White House statement also cites the 2005 Robb-Silberman commission report on intelligence failures related to Iraqi weapons. That report criticizes the intelligence agencies for “bureaucratic resistance to admitting error” as evidence showed Iraqi weapons claims to be unfounded. (My bold)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa. From a new <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/12/AR2006041201789.html">Wapo article</a> on the trailer lies:</p>
<blockquote><p>The White House sought to further rebut the Post article with a series of “Setting the Record Straight” statements e-mailed to reporters. In the statements, the White House does not deny the existence of the technical team’s report but portrays it as a preliminary finding, contrasting that report with a public white paper put out by the CIA on May 28, 2003. The CIA paper described the trailers as the “strongest evidence to date that Iraq was hiding a biological warfare program.”</p>
<p><b>The White House provided a “link” to a CIA Web site where the white paper is still posted, nearly 18 months after its conclusions were refuted by the Iraq Survey Group.</b></p>
<p>The White House statement also cites the 2005 Robb-Silberman commission report on intelligence failures related to Iraqi weapons. That report criticizes the intelligence agencies for “bureaucratic resistance to admitting error” as evidence showed Iraqi weapons claims to be unfounded. (My bold)</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/12/moderation-in-the-face-of-chaos/#comment-65395</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s nice that the woman in the video takes on the numbskulls, but she needs some help with her facts.  There are better advocates for the secular.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s nice that the woman in the video takes on the numbskulls, but she needs some help with her facts.  There are better advocates for the secular.</p>
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		<title>By: timewarp</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/12/moderation-in-the-face-of-chaos/#comment-65382</link>
		<dc:creator>timewarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Arabic-English translation:  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shukran (shookoran), “thank you.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;djimmi, “non-muslim citizen of a muslim state.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arabic-English translation:  </p>
<p>Shukran (shookoran), “thank you.”</p>
<p>djimmi, “non-muslim citizen of a muslim state.”</p>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/12/moderation-in-the-face-of-chaos/#comment-65323</link>
		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sharia? Nay shookoran.Me  Dhimmi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bombing the pentagon off the map?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Allah al ackbar. YES shookoran.YES!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharia? Nay shookoran.Me  Dhimmi.</p>
<p>Bombing the pentagon off the map?</p>
<p>Allah al ackbar. YES shookoran.YES!</p>
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		<title>By: timewarp</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/12/moderation-in-the-face-of-chaos/#comment-65295</link>
		<dc:creator>timewarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While we are compiling list, don’t forget &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtar_Mai&quot;&gt;Mukhtaran Bibi&lt;/a&gt;, also known as &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4042941.stm&quot;&gt;Mukhtar Mai&lt;/a&gt; of Pakistan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/&quot;&gt; devout Iraqi woman&lt;/a&gt; who is critical of  much of what “passes” for Islam, who has also been forced into exile.  And one to &lt;a href=&quot;http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/&quot;&gt;another Iraqi woman&lt;/a&gt; who is not so devout, who is still living “within it.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Though I don’t see why a woman from an Islamic culture has to be a “devout” muslim in order to be a credible critic. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am just saying that I don’t think it makes much sense for any of us to be judging the personal choices (if they can make them at all) of any of these women, that is, from the safety of our own homes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we are compiling list, don’t forget <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtar_Mai">Mukhtaran Bibi</a>, also known as <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4042941.stm">Mukhtar Mai</a> of Pakistan.</p>
<p>This is a link to <a href="http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/"> devout Iraqi woman</a> who is critical of  much of what “passes” for Islam, who has also been forced into exile.  And one to <a href="http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/">another Iraqi woman</a> who is not so devout, who is still living “within it.” </p>
<p>Though I don’t see why a woman from an Islamic culture has to be a “devout” muslim in order to be a credible critic. </p>
<p>I am just saying that I don’t think it makes much sense for any of us to be judging the personal choices (if they can make them at all) of any of these women, that is, from the safety of our own homes.</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mfi– you are right.  There are countless others, but she easily comes to mind.  Your distinction is also on target– she lives within the struggle and still continues her important work.  Many dissidents languish in prisons and continue their fight and still keep their voices heard by their very confinement.  Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mfi– you are right.  There are countless others, but she easily comes to mind.  Your distinction is also on target– she lives within the struggle and still continues her important work.  Many dissidents languish in prisons and continue their fight and still keep their voices heard by their very confinement.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: markfromireland</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/12/moderation-in-the-face-of-chaos/#comment-65261</link>
		<dc:creator>markfromireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I say again if you want a devout Muslim who risks her life daily &lt;i&gt;in Iran&lt;/i&gt; standing up for moderation and human rights then you’re talking about Shirin Ebadi. I’m not denigrating anybody here. Just sayin’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say again if you want a devout Muslim who risks her life daily <i>in Iran</i> standing up for moderation and human rights then you’re talking about Shirin Ebadi. I’m not denigrating anybody here. Just sayin’</p>
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