Digby catches up with the latest New York Times effort by David E. Sanger and David Johnston to elaborate on the unraveling CIA leak case. I always feel when reading the NYT like I'm looking through a haze -- they struggle to maintain such a distance from their subject, to not say anything that might further jeopardize their access to information, that it always winds up being an effort in reading hieroglyphics to try and decipher the code they are writing in.
But I thought this stood out:
But in one of those odd twists in the unpredictable world of news leaks, neither of the reporters Mr. Libby met, Bob Woodward of The Washington Post or Judith Miller, then of The New York Times, reported a word of it under their own bylines. In fact, other reporters working on the story were talking to senior officials who were warning that the uranium information in the intelligence estimate was dubious at best.
I've never believed Jill Abramson's story that Judy never pitched her the idea. I actually believe Judy on this one -- I think she absolutely did try to get them to print it, like the dutiful operative she is. But at the time, Judy had returned from Iraq and she was on probation. Her reporting was highly suspect and she had two official "minders" to watch over anything she tried to put in print, and one of those minders was David Johnston.
According to Murray Waas, Libby spoke with Judy four times about this topic -- on June 23, July 8 and July 12 (twice). Each time he gave her more information about what the White House was trying to put forward as the official Wilson story, but the NYT never bit.
From Sanger and David Barstow's NYT article on April 8:
Mr. Fitzgerald, in his filing, said that Mr. Libby had been authorized to tell Judith Miller, then a reporter for The New York Times, on July 8, 2003, that a key finding of the 2002 intelligence estimate on Iraq was that Baghdad had been vigorously seeking to acquire uranium from Africa.
But a week earlier, in an interview in his State Department office, Mr. Powell told three other reporters for The Times that intelligence agencies had essentially rejected that contention, and were "no longer carrying it as a credible item" by early 2003, when he was preparing to make the case against Iraq at the United Nations.
I'm guessing that at the same time Judy was coming back to the Times and pleading with them to publish her bogus story, other reporters (possibly including Johnston himself, but I have no idea) were hearing quite a different story from other members of the Administration. Judy would then go back to Scooter and say "you've got to give me more, they not buying it." After Joe Wilson's article was published on July 6, Libby probably got desperate enough to drag out the NIE, Wilson's trip report and one other classified documents in order to close the deal.
According to Waas, Libby gave Judy even more information on their July 12 calls. Emptywheel has an excellent rundown of the sequence of events. But one thing seems clear -- the administration handoff to Judy that had worked so well in the runup to war, which BooMan has done such a good job of documenting, didn't work this time.
Bill Keller is going to be answering questions from Times readers, it seems. Sounds a bit canned but it's a first step. It would be really nice if he cut through all the fog and cleared some of this stuff up.
(note: this post was changed from an earlier version which carried another quote from the April 8 NYT article)
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OT, EPU’d:
Boxer on Tweety tonight is great, and Shuster’s report deserves C&L treatment.
Tweety quoted new poll numbers on censure: 45% for, 53% against. That’s not representative if an extreme position. It’s not even unpopular, just not yet the majority view.
Thank God the Administration had trusty Bob Novak to fall back on.
and to think poor Judy went to the slammer to protect a source on a story she couldn’t even get printed … a double loser!
Now, maybe, we understand why Scooter let Judy rot in jail for 82 days — she couldn’t get the NIE/Wilson story into the NYT like the good little reporter she had been.
Jane - I am really glad you picked up on this! It seems so obvious that by the time of the Valerie Flame notation, the Times was very well aware they had been played by the admin. The question is, why didn’t they just come clean & “report” that they had been fed false info in the run up to the Iraq War. That in itself would’ve made a great story and sold lots of papers. At least you would think so.
I would be willing to bet that the answer is 2 words long.
Jason Blair. Which blew about a month beforehand.
OT…
From reading that Sy Hersh article,
“Bush has a messianic vision of himself ’saving Iran’.”
It occurs to me, who does he see himself saving it from ?
To whose war drum is Bush Marching ?
The more I look at it, the more I don’t understand any narrative that could make the Bush “authorization†a declassification, and the more it looks like (possibly illegal) domestic propaganda. To start with, pursuant to the definitions provided in the Executive Order, declassifying something means making it “unclassified.†While I would agree that you can do that with a portion of a document, as opposed to full document, I don’t see how you have a covert declassification. ???????? How can the genesis to “unclassified†occur if it is kept as a “secret†that the declassification has occurred?
I can see where you can argue that there was an approval to disseminate to another person (say Libby or Miller) but dissemination is a different thing, and handled differently, than declassification (plus, Bush, McClellan and other have specifically said what he did was “declassify†not authorize a limited dissemination). When even other cabinet members are specifically asking about the same NIE information and are not being allowed to release that information — that information is not “unclassified.†How can it be unclassified, but cabinet members cannot release it publicly to the public? The argument that, “well, it was unclassified, we just didn’t tell the cabinet or agencies because it was ‘secret’ that it was unclassified†makes no sense.
It seems to me that, inherent in making something unclassified, is that the actions or orders regarding release are overt and acknowledged. When Government actions are covert, including the actions of the President and Vice President, then it seems to me that you are pretty much in ‘covert government action to influence domestic public opinion’ territory and I would wonder how you can justify such piecemeal, covert release of information without running afoul of prohibitions on covert domestic propagandizing?
I guess if you can have “secret partial covert declassification given only to hand picked operatives to spread to the American public without acknowledged government involvement”
Just how does that differ from domestic propaganda?
Timewarp,
Because they want to be in the loop for future scoops… The NYT is total suck up to power… right wing proto fascist corporate military power. It is who they are… face it.
Bush thinks his numbers will go back up if he nukes Iran. I’m a little worried about June 6th ( because it will be 666 ) and I know this has to appeal to the neo-con dark side.If the bomb drops, I’m thinking this has got to be when.
Jane, you and Christy should really consider writing a book about the ins-and-outs of this Plamegate affair. You deserve the Koufax award and more. Your coverage has been magnificent — better than an All-Pro cornerback with 4.2 speed, sticky fingers, and an uncanny eye for the ball.
Just checked. The Jason Blair scandal was out in the beginning of May, which was when Harold Raines was forced to resign.
I think the last thing they wanted to admit was that they had been “played” by 2 reporters in the space of one or two months.
mary… perfect reasoning BINGO. But you need for the MSM to push your analysis… which is rather unlikely.
More likely, is hero Fitz will get wind of your post or arrive at the very same conclusion… and drive a stake into their BS…
Ray McGovern wrote a great article on the leak case.
http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=8837
Okay, so it will be 06/06/06, close enough for jazz.
Thank god for Murray Waas.
We should give him a medal of honor. Or at least the pitchfork with Cheney’s head on it!
The Times has been knocked off the pedestal called all the news fit to print… They perch upon all the potty called propaganda you can pass off as news.
And as Jane says… their stories are like ready through a scuba mask in muddy water. You have to read 3/4 the way through a story just to get to the money.
I read only Krugman, Frank Rich…Modo for laughs… and the letters to the editor… Their Washington and Bush covereage is pathetic
‘Hot off the presses, all the news that fits’
Lie magazine, 06/06/06
;>)
Standing ovation, applause, applause, for Mary in 8.
Mary,
Thank you… again you take out yer trusty “defogger” and illuminate the distinctions that make the difference in an argument. I think the longer this simmers out in the bright light of public awareness and as a few of the dimmer pulbs in the puditocracy begin to understand the difference between “dissemination” and “declassification” Bush’s gander-ass will be well done.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T FERGET TA RELOAD!!!
Jane -
This is intriguing:
Let’s see whether these conjectures are plausible: was it solely Judy’s request for more information (and wasn’t she barred at that time from further reporting on intelligence matters?) that prompted Scooter to disclose classified information to Judy? Was Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert status part of what was disclosed then?
OT: Boxer on Hardball had a great line that jumped out at us: a Congress owned and operated by Karl Rove. The key = “owned and operated by Karl Rove.” Who elected that schmuck? And to think the rightwing went ballistic on two Clintons for one. We’ve got a two-fer: Bush-Rove. Bush-Cheney. Mix that in with Lou Dobbs drumbeat about the war on the middle class and there’s an economic issue to pound the Rethugs with from now to Election Day.
Biden’s given us a mission: get the nonvoters back in the process and it won’t even be close.
As Boxer said tonight, give us [Dems] a chance. We’re not perfect, but we can do better. [Correct quotes-see videoclip or transcript, I’m paraphrasing here.]
Vote the Rascals Out….
Everythingseemssoneat:
A great article indeed and I have a lot of love for that man, too. Protesting in the halls of Congress with an orange jumpsuit on and giving back his medal in protest of torture.
Hmmm.Got me on the Norma Desmond thing,Jane. had to google it.It was wayy worth it. Your snark is sublime.
Darkblack, you are the darkest, man.
Mary 8 — I think the whole “declassification” issue just distracts from the larger issue — Libby leaked the contents of two documents that weren’t declassified to Judy. Who authorized him to do that?
EPU’d, but addresses #7, Sophist
(at the end)
join in more often, bushbehindbars! We love to hear how wonderful we are!!!
kidding, but please come out of hiding, nice to meet you.
Thanks to everyone for the economic information. I am not very tuned in to the finer details and always appreciate your updates and analysis.
To follow up on Hugh’s post, I really feel that W was following a butterfly in the garden when we went into Iraq when we sould have been focusing on N Korea’s nukes and on the larger economic picture. He essentially declared war on the ME and has not paid much attention to anything else, imo, because of his messianic vision of himself at the gates after the Rapture. I think we often forget that connection for him; (not a bible person) isn’t there evidence, according to the RW evangelicals that this is all preordained and that Bush is the chosen one??? I think that’s what scares me most, that he might as well have an explosive belt on himself.
I think Bush is “saving”Iraq in the evangelical sense.
p.s. I still think that Der Feurerchimp may hang on the exposure of Valerie Plame as a NOC…it seems clear that he didn’t follow procedure in gettin the right folks ta sign-off. The war in Iran is his final distraction…
Nat’s fans boo DeadEye:
“Cheney’s Pitch is Low at Nationals Game”
By David Nakamura Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, April 11, 2006; 2:05 PM
“The first pitch of the Washington Nationals’ second season at Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium was low and away, bouncing in the dirt before being scooped up by catcher Brian Schneider.
For that, Vice President Cheney received a round of boos from the home crowd this afternoon. But the catcalls didn’t last long before the fans cheered for the Nationals, who took the field in their white uniforms with red trim against the New York Mets…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....41106.html
Cheney does what he wants over there and he tells Dubya what to say in little sound bites. Cheny and Rove… Dubya’s minders. Dubya can’t think on or off his feet. He just repeats sound bites over and over… Ain’t it great when these college kids sound 100x more intelligent than he is. HAHAHAHA
This is an ubelievable fucking low from the WaPo. This Cheney getting boo’d is on fucking tape! What the hell are they thinking they can get away with, lying about this?
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....story.html
To the keyboards and off to the wapoopoo to correct yet another lie…
Re Mary: “How can the genesis to “unclassified†occur if it is kept as a “secret†that the declassification has occurred?”
A: When it didn’t really happen.
With this line of reasoning ‘classification’ is the fluid concept of a single mind.
Boxer was strong on Hardball. She made no bones about repeatedly stating Bush is a serial liar and had a college campus crowd back her up.
the WaPoo is quickly becoming the cosmetologist to swine.
“All the perfumes of Araby will not wash away…”
Mary, it’s the classic case of an inability to get their story straight. If they talk its purpose, they can’t explain the process. If they explain the process, the purpose makes no sense.
Apple Canyon 2
Gingrich was heavy into the neocons. His emphasis was more pro-Iraq War, pro-Israel, and less spread the democracy.
His foreign policy associations make this clear:
• American Enterprise Institute: Senior fellow
• National Defense University: Distinguished Visiting Scholar and Professor in February 2001
• Council on Foreign Relations: Terrorism Task Force
• Foundation for the Defense of Democracies: Advisory Board Member and Distinguished Adviser
• American Enterprise Institute: Senior Fellow
• Hoover Institution (Stanford University): Distinguished Visiting Fellow
• National Strategic Study Group: Member of the congressionally chartered National Strategic Study Group
• Committee for the Liberation of Iraq: Member of the Advisory Board)
• Defense Policy Board: Member
• United States Commission on National Security-21st Century (“Hart-Rudman Commissionâ€): Appointed in 1999
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1203
As for the original post, poor Judy, so willing to fellate but she just couldn’t close the deal.
DefJef - you read it right. Bush is an empty suit (mebbe we should call him George M T Bush). All the real power is behind the throne. btw, mehtinks I smell a rat named Squeaky? a troll perhaps?
Mary,
I don’t see how you have a covert declassification. ???????? How can the genesis to “unclassified†occur if it is kept as a “secret†that the declassification has occurred?
Just to push you a bit to clarify your argument . . . .
I don’t see a problem with that. Doesn’t the government (OK, didn’t it, in the old days) declassify lots of stuff routinely without taking out ads to let people know about it.
In other words, it could be not a “covert” declassification, but just a “quiet” one. Then the declassification is not kept as a “secret” but simply as one of those quiet things that happened.
You also ask:
How can it be unclassified, but cabinet members cannot release it publicly to the public?
Easy. Tons of information in the Federal Government is never released to the public. Some of it is protected by exemptions in the Freedom of Information ACt — but it’s simply not available, not classified under national security laws. Other information is not protected, but the government still sits on it, and the President tells his Cabinet and others, “Don’t let this out.” Nothing to do with being classified or not.
You also wrote:
The argument that, “well, it was unclassified, we just didn’t tell the cabinet or agencies because it was ‘secret’ that it was unclassified†makes no sense.
But if the “secret” part is not part of the national security classification system, it makes sense. That is, “we just didn’t tell the cabinet or agencies because if was a political secret that we declassified it.
By the way, I think that there may be more legs to your “covert domestic propaganda” argument, and that argument may not depend on the foregoing issues.
Pach — click on the reporter’s name in this link to write to him directly about mis-reporting the booing. Even FOX wasn’t able to ignore the booing; it clearly begins the moment BigTIme sets foot on the field. Nothing to do with the pitch (which did suck) whatsoever!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01009.html
tiredfed,
Lol, I just got a mental picture of ‘Pinky the Brain’ And his world domination quest.
Hang on, Pach and all. Before you believe AmericaBlog’s statement that the “pool report” contradicts the WaPo, take a look at the web link for that “pool report.” It’s Wonkette.
And she (whoever that is, these days) later updated with this:
This wasn’t the real pool report. The real one was less interesting. This is from a slightly tipsy operative. Must we explain our every little joke?
Environmental defense fund sent me a fund raising letter from are you ready?
John McCain & Joe Liberman…..
I sent back a note and emailed them….
Mary
“The more I look at it, the more I don’t understand any narrative that could make the Bush “authorization†a declassification, and the more it looks like (possibly illegal) domestic propaganda.”
I was actually foolish enough to think that all these questions had been resolved during Watergate. I even heard John saying way back, that it was illegal for the President to use such tactics for political gain. How is it that everyone is scratching their heads again?
Listen for yourselves at C&L. Doesn’t sound like cheering to me when BigTime walks onto the field:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....html#a7877
And I’m not saying when the booing began. I don’t know. But citing Wonkette’s joke “pool report” to jump on the WaPo is not what I’d call heavy ammunition.
Let’s fight when we have links and facts, not just every time we are pissed off.
Now if you heard pre-pitch booing on Fox news, you can cite your own experience, but citing Wonkette will simply weaken your own pitch to the WaPo.
You folks are watching Cheney on Fox News? Did I stumble onto the wrong blog
Excellant! I really like the Norma Desmond
headline.I’ll join with radlib suggesting
you do a book on the Valerie Plame leak!
Jane - at 26 you stated “Mary 8 — I think the whole “declassification†issue just distracts from the larger issue — Libby leaked the contents of two documents that weren’t declassified to Judy. Who authorized him to do that?”
Thank you for keeping your eyes on the prize. The question is this: Libby was unwilling to disclose the contents of a classified NIE regarding Iraq’s WMD program without first getting confirmation from Dick Cheney that George Bush had authorized its declassification. Libby was so cautious that even after he received this confirmation from Cheney, he still checked with Addington to make sure that this unorthodox declassification procedure was legitimate.
Raise your hand if you think that someone who was so cautious about the NIE would suddenly go ahead and reveal the identity of a covert CIA NOC to several journalists in rapid succession without also obtaining exactly the same confirmation from exactly the same persons?
I thought so.
If Libby wouldn’t disclose the NIE with authorization from Bush, then he wouldn’t disclose a CIA agent’s identity without the same authorization. Bush has acknowledged that he authorized the disclosure of the NIE, thus confirming that part of Libby’s story. Logic takes us the rest of the way.
Bush authorized the leak of Valerie Plame’s CIA identity.
As I’m reading Ray McGovern, and Mary, I’m thinking about what would happen to me if I did something comparable to what Bush has done.
It would be as though I saw a patient on Thursday but was supposed to see him on Monday. I would tell my supervisor I saw the patient and let her know how he was on Monday, and created the paperwork as though I had, but then saw him on Thursday and oops, he’s not the way I said he was at all and hadn’t been for many days. I would have to disclose it and would be fired for altering documentation. I would also very likely lose my license for a few years as this is a bad, bad thing for nurses to do. (Imagine if you were the patient or thier loved one. I think I should lose my license too) All because I couldn’t be bothered to follow the standards of nursing and the committment I make when I sign my registration every two years.
So I would end up serving coffee somewhere and Bush gets to be president. something is very wrong here.
Just read that Pat Fitzgerald has made a correction to a sentence in his April 5th filing.
mary
John Dean!
xyz 46 — very good points.
Well, either boos sound different back East, or there’s something wrong with my ears, because I couldn’t hear anything on the C&L clip that sounded like anything but cheering.
Jane: “I think she absolutely did try to get them to print it, like the dutiful operative she is. But at the time, Judy had returned from Iraq and she was on probation.â€
That seems correct. According to Maureen Dowd, Miller’s editors at NYT had shut her down from writing about prewar intelligence.
“The Bushies once more showed incompetence by creating this elaborate daisy-chain leak and giving it to the one person in journalism who had been roped off from writing about the prewar intelligence, while her editors sorted out problems with her past W.M.D. coverage. Judy never authored an article about what Scooter gave her, either that intelligence or the identity of the woman whom she wrote down in her notebook as “Valerie Flame.â€
http://select.nytimes.com/2006.....8dowd.html
OK–Here’s my first crack at the Presidential Apocalypse metric:
Oil Price $69 per barrel–60% of the way to Apocalypse Now
30 year mortgage rate 6.64% 78% of the way to Apocalypse Now
US deaths in Iraq 2,360 79% of the way to Apocalypse Now
Presidential Jars average 37% 87% of the way to Apocalypse Now.
Overall:
GW Clusterfuck now has a 76% “Apocalypse Now rating– well on his way to total destruction!
In order to reach 100% Apocalypse Now- Clusterfuck need only hit:
$100 per barrel oil
7% mortgage rates
3,000 deaths in Iraq
And
29% JAR.
He’s 76% of the way there!
Give it up for GW Clusterfuck!
rwcole,
Don’t you hate it when clusterfuck doesn’t give 100%?
“Even as some officials, including Colin L. Powell, then secretary of state, started to reveal deep doubts that Mr. Hussein had sought uranium to reconstitute his nuclear program…”
Oh, really? Because I don’t remember Colin expressing those doubts when he got in front of the UN and I sure as hell don’t remember the NY Times calling him on it.
Oh, this is just disgusting. I can’t even think about this happening,
Karaoke for bedsheets
Jane,
Your posts make me smile, frequently make me laugh (when I’m not crying or screaming with rage at the latest BooshCo idiocy/illegality), but this is the first time I’ve laughed out loud at a title. Norma Desmond Redux, indeed.
Who else but the one, the only, the Madonna of Mesopotamia.
The baseline figures GW Clusterfuck is working from are:
Oil at $23 per barrel (on 9/11)
Mortgage rates at 5.4% (in 2003 if I remember right)
Deaths in Iraq 0 on 9/11
JAR at 90% on 9/21/01
He’s come a long way baby!
Thanks Jane.
I hope that an intrepid reporter at the next press conference asks a question to the effect of:
“The president has acknowledged he authorized the leak of a classified national intelligence estimate in order for Scooter Libby to quote “get the truth out” about Iraq. If Scooter Libby is a person of integrity, as you have stated in the past, it stands to reason that he would get also get authorization from you before disclosing the name of a covert CIA agent, as he has acknowledged doing.
Could you please tell us for the record whether the President authorized Scooter Libby to leak Valerie Wilson’s CIA identity?
zennurse 57, that is truly appalling. It’s like everything else about this administration: just when I think they can’t go any lower, I learn something that tells me otherwise. The way our troops have been treated just sickens me.
Sigh. Britney Spears’ baby has fallen on its head. There goes any hard news reporting for the next 48 hours. We’d all better pray that Spears herself doesn’t go missing. We’d never hear the end of it.
zen at 46:
Exactly. That is how I explained supporting Bush’s impeachment and not Clinton’s to my Oxford lawyer friend. Bush’s crimes (oh so many) are directly related to the job so he should be fired. Clinton’s were not related to the job so I gave him a pass.
This is the WaPo article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....09_pf.html
It’s live now.
First two paragraphs:
The first pitch of the Washington Nationals’ second season at Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium was low and away, bouncing in the dirt before being scooped up by catcher Brian Schneider.
For that, Vice President Cheney received a round of boos from the home crowd this afternoon. But the catcalls didn’t last long before the fans cheered for the Nationals, who took the field in their white uniforms with red trim against the New York Mets.
Zen Oops! 47
zenn 57, un the freak believable. and as No More Mister points out, DoD is bragging on it. Gods!
And then, WaPo has a video of the booing that exactly contradicts the paper’s own reporting:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01153.html
Jane is exactly right that the declassification is not at all the issue, and Bush’s claims about “educating” the public by disclosing false information are, once again, insulting. For those who haven’t looked back at it I recommend you look up the Op-Ed “What I Knew Before the Invasion” by Bob Graham (google’ll get it).
The proposals about why the Times did not print all this stuff are plausible, as is the idea of why it finally fell to Novak.
Has anyone heard back from Hiatt? Not me. Can’t even get an answer out of Eugene Robinson or Colbert King. I guess Deb Howell will address us next Sunday and complain about our manners.
What level of civil disobedience do folks think would be appropriate to try and stop an Iran attack?
rwcole — are you talking about Bush’s Apocalypse Now, or ours?
A reporter needs to ask Bush why he felt that it would be “educational” for the NIE to be released in false and misleading manner.
Then, ask him whether he authorized the leak of Valerie Plame’s CIA status for “educational” reasons as well.
Ms. Howell informed me in an Email that she indeed may write about the editorial kerfuffle this Sunday…
Oh crap Olberman is reporting that St. Bernard Parish, LA is thinking of hiring Heck of a job Brownie!
That hurts but I know those St. Bernard guys are fierce maybe they won’t do it.
I highly, highly recommend reading (and widely distributing) this post by Larry Beinhart at HuffingtonPost:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....18906.html
Wow, what a masterpiece (his subject is our Top Secret government).
xyz
I have this vision of McClellan being replaced by a robot with two buttons. If you push domestic policy, it will say, “Ongoing investigation. If you push the foreign policy one, you’ll get, “Wild speculation, wild speculation.” Who would notice the difference?
Zennurse, excellent point, but in my mind the situation has a combination of several very powerful drivers–
- Protect our country from the evil Islamic fundies. Our fundies are good, but keep those other fundies away from our shores…
- Grab bases to protect and eventually control “our” oil (huge for the oil industry and it’s handmaidens)
- Cripple the spread of radical Islam throughout the world,
- Bring on the rapture by pushing everything to the point of Armageddon, where the Big War is held over and in Israel and Christ shows up to distribute the medals of freedom to our guys. (ya know, just as an aside, it takes a lot of, um, I guess balls, ’cause it certainly ain’t brains, to think that YOU can somehow push Jesus H. Christ Himself to show up to your war. Were’d they get that kind of thinking?)
Did I miss anything? Oh yeah,
- Make a pile of money off the wars and homeland protection racket, and
- Create a political environment that guarantees one-party dominance and absolute control over all domestic speech and action (and all the money) (and there’s something here about dealing with America’s growing number of darkish-complexioned people, isn’t there?) Just in case the Christ doesn’t actually show up, ya’ know, like He’s busy or something, well, you’ve got your bases covered…
Well now I’ve gone and made myself depressed. Damn.
xyz - At this point, it doesn’t seem like a stretch to believe Fitzgerald has evidence demonstrating that Bush authorized the leak of Valerie Wilson’s identity. As we’ve all seen, the ample opportunities created by Fitzgerald for those involved to give up the ghost have proceeded stepwise to the top. In the last week, the light has finally shone on Bush in this matter. But in speaking up during the last week he failed to come clean. He’s toast. I don’t gamble, but I’d bet large he told some whoppers to Fitz in 2004 at the Oval Office.
This is OT, but it’s about Catkiller, so not really.
Photos of him and his son hunting in Tanzania, with commentary from Michael Shaw at BAGNews
Frist and his gun
There’s also a piece on the Saturday NYT article on Condi, which he describes as “fawning”, with war photos in juxtaposition. A few posts later.
pow wow
on the subject of top secret govt. I found this a while a go via tompaine.com and it has good info.
http://www.openthegovernment.org/
I am very interested in this subject because my family has one of the few independently owned newspapers left anywhere. Dad has won awards for FOIA article exposing former LA Republican state auditor’s politically motivated invesigation/character assassinations. Our small town also had a former mayor who was fond of closed city-council meetings. It is very helpful for the public to know the playing field when it comes to what is customary and lawful. Keeping the government’s actions at all levels protects us from corruption.
off soapbox now…thanks for indulging me.
Here’s the letter I penned to my local papers in OR, whaddaya think?
To The Editor,
In President Bush’s own words: “I wanted people to see the truth and thought it made sense for people to see the truth. You’re not supposed to talk about classified information, and so I declassified the document.”
There it is in black and white. The President unitarily and secretly declassified a national security document (the NIE or National Intelligence Estimate) to ward off embarrassment and conceal past failures in an attempt to rebut critics who were saying his assertions for going to war were based on faulty intelligence.
Hindsight being 20/20 we now know, in fact, that his arguments about aluminum tubes, uranium from Niger, and ties to Osama bin Laden were 100% wrong and that his critics were correct. What many people still don’t know (despite Bush’s desire for us “to see the truthâ€) is that that very same assessment told another story – that many in the intelligence community believed even then that the intelligence could not pass the most basic sniff test.
Remember when you were young and your parents told you not to lie? I do. They had two very specific reasons: A.) it is wrong to lie; and, B.) that one lie would lead to more lies to cover up the initial lie. Look no further than our current President for a perfect example of this behavior.
I would be ashamed of any President who acted so callously with our national security. This story isn’t about his legal right to declassify, but HOW he did it. If he really “wanted us to see the truth†why was Libby ordered to pass along to a solitary reporter only the cherry-picked portions of the NIE that backed his assertions? Why did he tell the reporter to attribute it to a “former hill stafferâ€? Why did he characterize a footnote about procuring uranium from Niger as a “key judgment†when in fact he had already admitted “those 16 words†should not have been included in his State of the Union speech? And why did he leave out every single portion of the NIE that questioned the intelligence.
If he really wanted us “to see the truth†why didn’t he just make a speech? I know I did not get to see the truth, at least until now. But what about Congress?
Bush was also unwilling to declassify this very document for Congress in the autumn of 2002 when they were deciding whether or not to give the President the power to go to war. Don’t you believe they might have made a more informed decision if they had seen the questioning of evidence from those who actually put their lives on the line to collect it? Instead his decision resulted in the outing of a CIA agent (and the front company she “worked” for), one of those people who did put her life on the line, and who ironically had sources in Iran gathering intelligence on their development of WMD.
From the evidence it is clear that Bush did not deem the document worthy of declassifying until his reelection campaign was starting, the war was going badly, and his rationale for war was being questioned. He is responsible for his decision to use a national security document for partisan political gain, ie. to cover his own butt, and such a misuse of authority is the very essence of a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States. It is also precisely the abuse of executive power that led to the impeachment of Richard M. Nixon.
This war and this presidency is a disaster in every possible way: we have depleted our military resources and shown the world our weaknesses on an unnecessary war while facing down a much more dire situation in Iran; almost 2500 soldiers have died, most after Bush declared “Mission Accomplishedâ€; a minimum of 30,000 Iraqis have also died and those still alive do not want us there; we have shattered our image as a freedom-loving nation by torturing, murdering and holding prisoners without due process or recourse; we took the world empathy that we had after 9/11 and drove a stake of division through the world community leaving an alliance that does not exist; we took our eyes off Afghanistan not only leaving bin Laden alive and well, but allowing the Taliban to again extend its influence over the vast majority of the country (a death sentence for converting to Christianity = democracy? progress?); we have a national debt that now equals $90,000 for every man, woman and child in America; and, just last week our Attorney General, Alberto Gonzalez, stated that he believed the President had the authority, without a warrant, to listen in on phone calls between Americans in our own country.
Had enough?
jim preston– howzabout taking our lead from the immigration protestors? Do not go to work, do not buy gas or anything else, let your kids have a holiday and stand in the streets with anti bushco signs for a day. Let’s see, w’s disapproval rating is 60%– how many people will participate? Lots.
Muzzy,
I hope and believe that you are correct. Given the facts as we know them, it seems most likely that Bush authorized the Valerie Plame leak, just as he authorized the NIE leak. The two leaks were motivated by similar intents and distributed via the same channels. They are alike in so many ways that it would be surprising if they weren’t both authorized in a similar manner. And, as I have stated, Bush has already admitted that he authorized one leak.
The next question is, given what we know and given the logical inferences we can draw, why has Fitzgerald, for now, steered clear of dropping the megaton bomb right on Bush with clear, unambiguous evidence of his role in the CIA leak, choosing instead to walk us all right up to Bush’s door instead?
I’m sure that Fitzgerald has his reasons. I’d be curious as to any thoughts that those in the FDL community may have.
I noticed yesterday that I had not seen anything from punnaise lately, hope he is O.K..
Scuse me while I rant. Can I just say FUCK the Washington Nationals? For more than two decades DC was delightfully free of the corporate welfare monster that is baseball. (See Bush, George W.) Now Mayor Tony Williams has brought it back, the bastard. And of course the Nats can’t play at RFK, a perfectly fine & storied & metro-friendly stadium. Nooooo. The taxation-without-representation DC taxpayers must build these billionaire baseball fucks a spanking new stadium near South Capitol Street, which is going to bring tons more mindless cars there and royally fuck up my commuting and cheap parking. Not to mention it’s already killed the finest and most legendary drag bars. Supposedly Colin Powell is one of these Wash Nats fucking corp welfare queens, i.e. investors. Quel surprise. Go live in the New Iraq you created, you fucking disgrace to humanity.
Thank you, end rant.
http://corner.nationalreview.c.....asp#094765
Byron York has found that Fitzgerald has issued a letter to judge Walton to issue a correction.
A few hours ago, however, Fitzgerald sent a letter to judge Reggie Walton, asking to correct his filing. The letter reads:
We are writing to correct a sentence from the Government’s Response to Defendant’s Third Motion to Compel Discovery, filed on April 5, 2006. The sentence, which is the second sentence of the second paragraph on page 23, reads, ‘Defendant understood that he was to tell Miller, among other things, that a key judgment of the NIE held that Iraq was ‘vigorously trying to procure’ uranium.” That sentence should read, “Defendant understood that he was to tell Miller, among other things, some of the key judgments of the NIE, and that the NIE stated that Iraq was ‘vigorously trying to procure’ uranium.”
The fact that York has scooped all the major news outlets is proof for me that he is in cahoots with Babs and the Scooter defense fund cabal.
How’s the president doing?
Once he had 90% job approval- now it’s 37%
Once he had $23 a barrel oil- now it’s $69
Once there were zero american troops dead in Iraq- now there are 2360.
Once he had 5.4% 30 year mortgage rates- now they are at 6.64%
All in all- he’s doin a heck of a job!
Mary #8
Great comment. Can’t wait to pull that out verbatim to my family friends who will parrot the line: “Bush can declassify anything he wants.”
“Libby was unwilling to disclose the contents of a classified NIE regarding Iraq’s WMD without first getting confirmation from Dick Cheney that George Bush had authorized its declassification.” Wouldn’t it be weird if all along Cheney and Rove were only playing chimps on a chain to Bush’s hurdy-gurdy? That in fact George IS the power in the throne. More and more it seems that this president was acutely aware precisely of decisions seemingly made by others in his name. Perhaps the veep and Rove were just lightning rods being used by the man himself to fool us and protect him. If that’s the case, I for one, would be delighted. For if this were so then it would appear to make it impossible for Bush to hide behind his underlings and might ratchet up the liklihood of impeachment and possible criminal prosecution. Could it be that I was selling Bush short, and that he should be given much more credit for micromanaging his foibles and his outrageous decisions?
This bit a little later in the NYT article you cite above, seems to absolutely confirm your instincts on this, Jane:
“Mr. Fitzgerald, in his filing, said that Mr. Libby had been authorized to tell Judith Miller, then a reporter for The New York Times, on July 8, 2003, that a key finding of the 2002 intelligence estimate on Iraq was that Baghdad had been vigorously seeking to acquire uranium from Africa.
But a week earlier, in an interview in his State Department office, Mr. Powell told three other reporters for The Times that intelligence agencies had essentially rejected that contention, and were “no longer carrying it as a credible item” by early 2003, when he was preparing to make the case against Iraq at the United Nations.”
Stephen - The PNAC person on the Hersh show on NPR is Reuel Marc Gerecht. Arrogant, supercilious, neocon lying through his teeth. When I heard his name, it was hard to understand, but Tom Ashcroft had said he was from the weekly standard, so I googled that. What a nasty mast head, I have to go wash my hands.
He’s saying diplomacy has already failed with Iran, sanctions have to have a bite, you will have the great Iran debate, but what he’s really saying is it’s happening, it’s just a matter of when.
rwcole #85
but, but it is all because of 9/11.
when it comes to political campaigns, Bush is a notorious micromanager. Ratfucking isn’t delegated…
Moi @ 84,
Who do you suppose drew that to Fitz’s attention? Seems it would have been better to sit on it till more stock in the erroneous statement had been committed.
Fitz et al may have noticed on their own. But if it came from team Libby they sure played it odd. Babs the spokeswoman sure has been quiet recently.
Mary @ 4:23 pm (#8) - Prof covered this pretty well in comment #37. I’ll just add that I’ve read and heard enough lectures about giving documents to the general public without going through the proper channels that I’d never do it unless there was a serious issue that needed whistleblowing and clearly wasn’t going to get it. Losing your job is the likely result of doing that even if it’s not a classified document. The normal course is to refer the public to the public affairs office for one’s own agency or department. Unclassified government documents are generally labeled “For Official Use Only” (or FOUO), unless they are specifically meant to be for public consumption.
My own take on this is that the President and his posse were negligent if they didn’t inform the CIA or whoever the classification authority was for the NIE that it had been declassified. But, as Prof said, they are under no obligation to inform anyone else that the document’s classification had been altered. They also might, theoretically, be in trouble because of section 1.7 of the EO, which prohibits classification of data to cover up illegal activity or incompetence, or avoid embarrassment. Beyond that, though, what we have is a question of ethics - the President misused his power for political gain.
rat 79 - excellent - however, too long - LTEs should be 3 paragraphs and contain a maximum of fifty sentences. Don’t catalog - distill.
My apologies if this was covered in a previous thread, but Fitz’s diction in the recent court filing prompts me to reach out to the legal linguists on board.
In reporting on the White House damage assessment of the July 2003 Joe Wilson NYT column, Sanger and Barstow, quoting from Fitz’s filing, relate that it “was viewed in the Office of the Vice President as a direct attack on the credibility of the vice president (and the president) on a matter of signal importance: the rationale for the war in Iraq.” Is the word signal a legal term of art?
The meaning here does not comport with common usage. Ordinarily, the denotation “to incite action” applies only to contexts in which we have knowledge of a message to come, anticipating some foreordained imminent alert. Could Fitz be implying a standing White House state of readiness: any NYT column that drops the drawers on the rationale for war triggers the set plan of action, in this case a vindictive campaign to discredit Wilson and damage his wife. This reading ladens Fitz’s sentence with hints of conspiracy, the legal implications of which could serve as a signal (couldn’t resist) to those under Fitz’s scrutiny who have more to tell.
There are, of course, more banal explanations. If not a legal term of art, and if not calculated to suggest conspiracy, could signal be a misrepresentation for single, as in a matter of singular, or unmatched, importance. This misuse befalls the rest of us mortals, sure enough. But Fitz?
Can anyone clarify the legal semantics in the filing or, if not, contribute to the wild speculation (couldn’t resist)?
“why has Fitzgerald, for now, steered clear of dropping the megaton bomb right on Bush with clear, unambiguous evidence of his role in the CIA leak”
IMO, Fitz doesn’t want DeadEye or the Leaker-in-Chief to know what he knows. IMO the reason Barbara Comstock is paying/raising money for Scooter’s defense, is because Bush/Cheney are using Scooter to flush out Fitz’s evidence.
xyz @ 4:59 pm (#46) - Good point. I don’t think this proves that Libby did this with the President’s say-so, but it does suggest it’s highly unlikely that he didn’t. It’s also possible, I suppose, the Libby is lying or not remembering something and we’re getting the wrong idea.
makes sense zennurse– Gerecht is a very loud mouthed war mongering blowhard who happens to sport a not so lovely beard. blech. I also happen to hate the tenor and tone of his voice while spewing. Supercilious is a perfect description.
Ratfucking isn’t delegated
Literally,lol
or in Gerecht’s case: superdupercilious !
rw cole 59
I want to state, for the record, that I was part of the 10% on Sept 21.
So, what happens when Bush hits 100%? The Rapture? The Earth cracks open? What?
Also, does he have to it each of those marks to trigger the Bushaclypse? What if, say, interest rates hit 10% but oil only goes up to $95 per barrel? Can megasuckage on one metric make up for the others?