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		<title>By: owlbear1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63530</link>
		<dc:creator>owlbear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OH NO! Illegal Immigrants are killing America!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its a War on Native Americans, er… wait.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its a War on Working Americans. YAH! That’s the ticket! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look the Mexicans are Invading!! LOOK LOOK OVERTHERE!! AN ATTACK!! BE AFRAID!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Bush Administration must be laughing its ass off how EASY it is to distract this country.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH NO! Illegal Immigrants are killing America!</p>
<p>Its a War on Native Americans, er… wait.</p>
<p>Its a War on Working Americans. YAH! That’s the ticket! </p>
<p>Look the Mexicans are Invading!! LOOK LOOK OVERTHERE!! AN ATTACK!! BE AFRAID!</p>
<p>The Bush Administration must be laughing its ass off how EASY it is to distract this country.</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63479</link>
		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;La Repubblica is reporting that the center-left won the lower house by 26,000 votes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Repubblica is reporting that the center-left won the lower house by 26,000 votes.</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63478</link>
		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, wow! The overseas vote will decide it! I forgot there was an election today…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, wow! The overseas vote will decide it! I forgot there was an election today…</p>
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		<title>By: ChÃ© Pasa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63286</link>
		<dc:creator>ChÃ© Pasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s been a tendency to conflate criminality with terrorism and security issues, visible in a number of posts on this thread, and then a conflation of all of that with the desire of many millions of immigrants, with and without papers, to come to America and succeed. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Christy said that it was a “tough call” on the immigration bills because of the security issues, possiblity of terrorist infiltration and so on, and I felt she was conflating those issues with those of the hundreds of thousands or millions who were marching all over the country today and who promise a General Strike on May 1, &lt;i&gt;to protest the disgusting racism and contempt and criminalization of immigrants and those who help them in the Sensenbrenner bill. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As has been pointed out repeatedly here and elsewhere, all the terrorists we know about in this country have been either native born or immigrated &lt;i&gt;legally&lt;/i&gt; not illegally, and the likelihood is that if any bad guys wanted to come to this country to set up some nefarious terrorist cell, they would most certainly do so legally, just like the Atta cell. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, it is very simple right now for criminals of many kinds to slip back and forth across the border (north or south) with nary a second glance from INS. I submit that is an entirely different issue than the security issue vis a vis &lt;i&gt;terrorists&lt;/i&gt; and it does us no good to continue to conflate them. Better control of the borders and better enforcement of existing immigration legislation (which is hardly even being discussed at this point) would probably be sufficient to deal with the issues of criminals skipping over the borders. But that’s not what’s happening. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact of the matter is that the Patriot Act is being used to prosecute or deport gang members, drug couriers, petty thieves, you name it, as well as being used to put away an unknown number of people accused of such things. In addition, police forces all over the country are conflating dissent, protest, petty crime, more significant crime with terrorism — throwing it all together — and it is wrong. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The millions who are marching and protesting now are protesting the Sensenbrenner bill. They are not protesting reasonable controls on immigration. Those controls may or may not require addional legislation, but they certainly require better enforcement of existing legislation, as well as clear instruction to law enforcement agencies not to conflate immigration violations with terrorism.&lt;br /&gt;
The only legislative action passed thus far is the Sensenbrenner Brown Person Criminalization Bill, and if you aren’t out in the streets protesting it, too, I want to know the reason why.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is not a tough call.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s been a tendency to conflate criminality with terrorism and security issues, visible in a number of posts on this thread, and then a conflation of all of that with the desire of many millions of immigrants, with and without papers, to come to America and succeed. </p>
<p>Christy said that it was a “tough call” on the immigration bills because of the security issues, possiblity of terrorist infiltration and so on, and I felt she was conflating those issues with those of the hundreds of thousands or millions who were marching all over the country today and who promise a General Strike on May 1, <i>to protest the disgusting racism and contempt and criminalization of immigrants and those who help them in the Sensenbrenner bill. </i></p>
<p>As has been pointed out repeatedly here and elsewhere, all the terrorists we know about in this country have been either native born or immigrated <i>legally</i> not illegally, and the likelihood is that if any bad guys wanted to come to this country to set up some nefarious terrorist cell, they would most certainly do so legally, just like the Atta cell. </p>
<p>On the other hand, it is very simple right now for criminals of many kinds to slip back and forth across the border (north or south) with nary a second glance from INS. I submit that is an entirely different issue than the security issue vis a vis <i>terrorists</i> and it does us no good to continue to conflate them. Better control of the borders and better enforcement of existing immigration legislation (which is hardly even being discussed at this point) would probably be sufficient to deal with the issues of criminals skipping over the borders. But that’s not what’s happening. </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that the Patriot Act is being used to prosecute or deport gang members, drug couriers, petty thieves, you name it, as well as being used to put away an unknown number of people accused of such things. In addition, police forces all over the country are conflating dissent, protest, petty crime, more significant crime with terrorism — throwing it all together — and it is wrong. </p>
<p>The millions who are marching and protesting now are protesting the Sensenbrenner bill. They are not protesting reasonable controls on immigration. Those controls may or may not require addional legislation, but they certainly require better enforcement of existing legislation, as well as clear instruction to law enforcement agencies not to conflate immigration violations with terrorism.<br />
The only legislative action passed thus far is the Sensenbrenner Brown Person Criminalization Bill, and if you aren’t out in the streets protesting it, too, I want to know the reason why.</p>
<p>It is not a tough call.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63246</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On immigration.&lt;br /&gt;
Is this a progressive or a wingnut site? Please let me know asap. Your piece on immigration sounds wing nut to me. … What is your right wing nut problem here? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many hipper-than-thou liberal blogs are bending over rightwards and backwards on issues like immigration, unions, Israel, CIA heroine-worship, TERRRRRRORRRRRRRRR, ETC. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They are starting to sound like liberal Liebermans. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have seen a real rightward drift by many so-called A list bloggers. It was inevitable&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On immigration.<br />
Is this a progressive or a wingnut site? Please let me know asap. Your piece on immigration sounds wing nut to me. … What is your right wing nut problem here? </p>
<p>Many hipper-than-thou liberal blogs are bending over rightwards and backwards on issues like immigration, unions, Israel, CIA heroine-worship, TERRRRRRORRRRRRRRR, ETC. </p>
<p>They are starting to sound like liberal Liebermans. </p>
<p>I have seen a real rightward drift by many so-called A list bloggers. It was inevitable</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63223</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m all for nationalizing the illegal immigrants if it means they will begin to pay into the system. And don’t tell me that many of them already do, because they, for the most part, don’t. There’s loopholes that allow legal immigrants to claim dependents back in their home country, in effect making them the sole breadwinner for 9, 10, 13, 15 family members. So they don’t have to pay taxes, they instead get it all back (and then some!) to send across the border to family on the other side. In the meanwhile schools are overpopulated and falling apart, yet there aren’t any new taxpayers to help support the school system because Pedro apparently has another 12 children across the Rio Grande.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The company my wife works for hires legal immigrants (the largest legal immigrant employer in Portland!) and it amazes me that not just some but ALL of the immigrants employees claim many, many dependents who are still in Mexico. And they don’t have to pay taxes. Their myriad of children flood the schools, but they don’t pay a dime into the system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lastly (yes, I saved the national pride bordering on racist comments till the end), I have NEVER seen a Mexican waving a USA flag until today’s protests. I have seen plenty of Mexican flags sported on their cars, their homes, and their hats, but I have never until today seen a Mexican claim to be a proud American. So when I see it being waved above their heads today all I can think is, “Hypocrites”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m all for nationalizing the illegal immigrants if it means they will begin to pay into the system. And don’t tell me that many of them already do, because they, for the most part, don’t. There’s loopholes that allow legal immigrants to claim dependents back in their home country, in effect making them the sole breadwinner for 9, 10, 13, 15 family members. So they don’t have to pay taxes, they instead get it all back (and then some!) to send across the border to family on the other side. In the meanwhile schools are overpopulated and falling apart, yet there aren’t any new taxpayers to help support the school system because Pedro apparently has another 12 children across the Rio Grande.</p>
<p>The company my wife works for hires legal immigrants (the largest legal immigrant employer in Portland!) and it amazes me that not just some but ALL of the immigrants employees claim many, many dependents who are still in Mexico. And they don’t have to pay taxes. Their myriad of children flood the schools, but they don’t pay a dime into the system.</p>
<p>Lastly (yes, I saved the national pride bordering on racist comments till the end), I have NEVER seen a Mexican waving a USA flag until today’s protests. I have seen plenty of Mexican flags sported on their cars, their homes, and their hats, but I have never until today seen a Mexican claim to be a proud American. So when I see it being waved above their heads today all I can think is, “Hypocrites”.</p>
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		<title>By: MsAnnaNOLA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63099</link>
		<dc:creator>MsAnnaNOLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok I haven’t even begun to read the comments due to two whole days of attending the Strawberry Festival in Ponchatoula! &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lastrawberryfestival.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.lastrawberryfestival.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if this is old I am sorry!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought about 11 million people being rounded up and my next thought was those prison Haliburton got the contracts for. The ones where they are going to have slave labor just like China! Sorry no link but many here have linked before. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some where in the last week or so I heard the suggestion that prisoners be used to “pick vegetables” and other menial jobs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bunch of new prisoners that work hard = shiny new slave labor + possible brand new American manufacturing sector&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not a conspiracy theorist but this is not much of a strech for this group considering what they have done to habeous.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry if it is old. I just popped on for a minute before cooking!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I haven’t even begun to read the comments due to two whole days of attending the Strawberry Festival in Ponchatoula! <a href="http://www.lastrawberryfestival.com/">http://www.lastrawberryfestival.com/</a></p>
<p>So if this is old I am sorry!</p>
<p>I thought about 11 million people being rounded up and my next thought was those prison Haliburton got the contracts for. The ones where they are going to have slave labor just like China! Sorry no link but many here have linked before. </p>
<p>Some where in the last week or so I heard the suggestion that prisoners be used to “pick vegetables” and other menial jobs.</p>
<p>Bunch of new prisoners that work hard = shiny new slave labor + possible brand new American manufacturing sector</p>
<p>I am not a conspiracy theorist but this is not much of a strech for this group considering what they have done to habeous.</p>
<p>Sorry if it is old. I just popped on for a minute before cooking!</p>
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		<title>By: madcap</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63093</link>
		<dc:creator>madcap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith, becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room but for one flag, the American flag. And this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all war against liberty and civilization just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile.”‘&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language. And we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the American people.”&lt;br /&gt;
 ~ Theodore Roosevelt&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith, becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American.”</p>
<p>“There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room but for one flag, the American flag. And this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all war against liberty and civilization just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile.”‘</p>
<p>“We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language. And we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the American people.”<br />
 ~ Theodore Roosevelt</p>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63086</link>
		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since when the fuck has cosmopolitan statelessness been such a muthafucking crime…oh wait.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;” If you seek peace; if you seek prosperity for the United State’s AND South America. If you seek liberalization… Senor Bush - TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! “&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when the fuck has cosmopolitan statelessness been such a muthafucking crime…oh wait.</p>
<p>” If you seek peace; if you seek prosperity for the United State’s AND South America. If you seek liberalization… Senor Bush &#8211; TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! “</p>
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		<title>By: ourboy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/10/monday-news-round-up/#comment-63043</link>
		<dc:creator>ourboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Saying “they do jobs Americans won’t do” presumes that if all the illegals were not doing those jobs, they would not get done. The tomatoes would rot in the fields, the dishes would never get washed, no apartment complexes would be built. Absurd. Americans will do those jobs if they are paid a living wage. Congress has the power to raise the number of legal work visas to — whatever level they choose. This situation is allowed to continue as it is for one reason only–a source of cheap labor. If the jobs vanish, not many illegals will have to be deported. They will leave on their own accord at their own expense. If there is no work, they will not come and those who come won’t stay long.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying “they do jobs Americans won’t do” presumes that if all the illegals were not doing those jobs, they would not get done. The tomatoes would rot in the fields, the dishes would never get washed, no apartment complexes would be built. Absurd. Americans will do those jobs if they are paid a living wage. Congress has the power to raise the number of legal work visas to — whatever level they choose. This situation is allowed to continue as it is for one reason only–a source of cheap labor. If the jobs vanish, not many illegals will have to be deported. They will leave on their own accord at their own expense. If there is no work, they will not come and those who come won’t stay long.</p>
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