
Today I joined sea of Americans - many with official citizenship, some without - to celebrate America.
I find it impossible to convey in words the energy, passion and vitality of the uncountable hundreds of thousands standing shoulder to shoulder today on the National Mall in Washington, D. C., to say, "We are Americans, too! ¡Somos americanos!
Immersed in the present, I felt myself awash in the past:
At the dawn of a new century, fourteen year old Lorenzo and his brother Benjamin left their village of Paita, Peru, to work as a laborers aboard ships traveling about the South American coast. Within a year or two they worked together to build the Panama Canal, where illness claimed Benjamin's life. Alone in the world, Lorenzo continued to do labor and engineering work aboard merchant ships, taking him to the Aegean, the Mediterranean and to Balitic states like Latvia and Estonia.
Many people who are not nativists or racists throw up their hands in confusion over immigration policy. None of the options discussed in the political arena represent good policy right now, and none will emerge while Republicans control either side of Capitol Hill. But if you want to learn all you need to learn about immigration policy, why it's broken, and what sensible solutions would look like, check out this excellent short presentation taken from an event last week sponsored by the New Democratic Network. Suffice it to say that the regulation of immigration in a way consistent with American values has been effectively prevented by forces eager to see the creation of a second class of unprotected, disenfranchised American laborers on American soil. "¡No somos criminales!"
By his mid twenties, Lorenzo ended up in New York. When asked to served in the U. S. Army, he did so, thereby earning his citizenship. He met a nineteen year old beauty of a woman, originally from Puerto Rico, and married her. They settled in Brooklyn and had eight children, though the sixth died at age three. My mother was their seventh child. During World War II, Lorenzo became a neighborhood Civilian Air Patrol officer, tasked with making sure all lights were out during drills. I still have the ridiculously large, heavy steel helmet given to him as part of his duties. I look ridiculous in it, and my little brown grandfather with big ears must have been quite a sight when he wore it.
The Americans and undocumented Americans on the Mall today understand perfectly well that they are discriminated against, but they seek no unfair advantages. Though some are labelled as criminals by those who have rigged the immigration system against them in order to exploit them, they only want to work and build a better life for their children. Shouts of "¡Si se puede!" were puctuated by chants of "U. S. A! U. S. A!" They all know Tancredo and his ilk are racists. They see American racism every day, and intimately know its cotours, the smell of its breath, the curl of its lip. Here at FDL, we've done a lot in the last week to expose the racism that propels much of the American political right. The indispensible Steve Gilliard has more. "¡Un pueblo unido jamás será vencido!"
My grandfather, though uneducated, was wise. His world travels taught him not to judge anyone but by their individual actions. My mother, and all my aunts and uncles, pursued education after high school. At family gatherings during my youth, Grandpa always raised a glass in a toast to members of the family who had enjoyed notable successes since the last family gathering. A working man all his life, whose firm handshake scraped a boy's palm like sandpaper, you could not encounter a man with a more civilized and gentle heart.
Anti-immigrant fervor tends to rise when economic insecurity abounds. American income inequality is at historic levels, and fat cats get fatter while working people tread water. The Republican party, riddled with weakness and undeniable failure, now stoke the old fires of racism, not only to deflect attention from its failures abroad, but also from the failures of our Reverse Robin Hood economy at home.
Enlightened immigration policy is a bread and butter progressive issue. As we protect all American workers, we protect standards of living, promote education, build a more sophisticated and internationally competitive workforce and end the race to the bottom in the domestic labor market that benefits big corporations in the short term at the expense of American strength and security in the long term. Even if you don't share my degree of personal identification with today's demonstrators, policies that support full citizenship rights for American workers are sane, smart and just. At the same time, we need to build real regulatory systems to monitor employers' behavior and hiring practices. Building walls and sending people to foreign lands, on the other hand, destroys American families.
My grandmother and many of my cousins, aunts and uncles gathered in my grandfather's ICU hospital room just after midnight on All Saints' Day. At age fourteen, I held his hand as his life slipped away. He died peacefully and without pain, having lived a full and abundant life, not in material terms, but counting all the things that truly matter. Immigration and immigration policy is not about "them." It's about us. It's about our families. The picture below is of my grandparents at my cousin's wedding, a year or two before my grandfather died. I have this picture on my bedroom shelf. I dedicate this post tonight to his memory, to the memory of my grandmother and to the many Americans I felt priveleged to join today in celebration of the American Dream.
Photo at top by Pachacutec.
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Fitzzzz! Great pic!
viva el pacha
You’re grandparents are smiling at you with love, tonight and always; thanks Pach. It is about all of us.
Fitz and FDL!
You guys are churning out some good blogging today!
American Dream
My favorite Norman Mailer novel.
Si se puedo!
Sorry.”Above all, we are a nation of laws.”You cannot cherry pick what you want to obey.Illegals are criminals.Period.They have circumvented the process others have obeyed.
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And, BTW, I have a few questions for the Bush administration. Hey, BushCo., you cannot cherry pick what you want to obey. You have circumvented the process others have obeyed. And, even if illegals are criminals, we really do know that BushCo. corporations thrive on exploiting them…
grr- YOUR grandparents are proud…
Did I misspell? Si se puede! I won’t forget it again.
Hello, shutting up to go and read post!
and
Nicely done Pach!
PS I loved your “Pachacutec” explanation/pronunciation guide this weekend.
Hey Pach:
Little typo
what sensibel solutions
MsAnnaNOLA: Thanks; fixed.
Nice tribute Pach! Thanks.
Please take the time to view the video I linked from NDN. Do it when you have about 12 minutes to spare, but it’s well worth it.
I have attended many many demonstrations: a few were notable for the inclusive atmosphere, the peacefulness, the friendliness. Today’s Immigration Rally in Indianapolis was one of those. I just couldn’t help from smiling and grinning. I was taking quite a few photos: everybody waved a flag and smiled when they saw the lens was on them.
Good times all around.
I don’t think illegal immigrants are evil brown invaders, or even criminals, in any real sense, though they are obviously violating immigration laws. But I do think they have to be kept out of the country. No program for giving illegal immigrants rights, protection from exploitation, access to public services, etc., is feasible as long as the borders are, in effect, simply left open. Does that mean we need a wall? I don’t know. The only alternative that I can see is real, effective, jail-time law enforcement against anyone who employs illegal immigrants. And that looks to be simply not a political possibility. So what’s left?
Hooray for the Americanization of America! Si, se puede!!
The “rule of law” crowd seem to forget that the only people who can claim to not be immigrants in this country are currently living on reservations in the west, displaced by a bunch of white-skinned European immigrants.
And it goes without mentioning that when these people start banging on their “nation of laws” shtick, they seem to be blissfully unaware of their own chief executive’s flagrant and routine dismissal of the law when he finds it inconvenient to his political ends.
My grandparents came from Italy and had 12 children. My grandfather said his papers were stamped TO NY, so he named my dad Tony.
SqeakyRat.
Why must immigrants be kept out of the country? Without immigrants, we would be in negative population growth. Without immigrants our tax base would shrink. Without immigrants our economy would sputter. Without immigrants, our culture would grow rank and stagnant.
So what exactly is the issue that demands exclusion?
What a beautiful post, Pach. Thanks so much for showing up and letting us know about it.
Thanks, Pach, for reminding me why I love fdl. Your grandparents are proud of you today, and I am proud to know you, and them.
This morning on CNN, they did a feature on a family that had come here illegally 15 years ago and now had four children who are legally Americans. The announcer interviewed the parents. They had to get a translator for the mother. 15 years and she couldn’t speak
English.
My grandparents were immigrants (legal) from Sweden. Swedish was banned from the house. Everyone had to speak English. No one even dreamt of teaching English as a second language.
It seems to me that those illegal immigrants who have made an effort to learn the language should stay. And that should be the only test–not how long they have been here or how many children they have had in America.
A couple of weeks ago, there were 100,000 who marched in Chicago. I wasn’t there, but a student of mine was driving in for our meeting, and he was waaay late. He had to drive through the area where the thousands had gathered to march to the federal building. He was completely invigorated by the people he saw. He couldn’t stop talking about it once he arrived at our meeting. I got “stuck” in the traffic on the way home. This was hours later. But I saw just what he was talking about. It was beautiful!!! There were still thousands making their way back to whatever means of transport had brought them, and they were happy and smiling and waving their flags and singing and chanting. I thought the same thing someone mentioned earlier— Even with our nation in as big a mess as it is, these people risk their lives to come here, to work here, and to live here. God bless them !
Amen.
Fitzcutec !
Pacha,
choked up by your moving tribute to your Grandpa - mine was a 12 year old cabin boy from the Azores. The C Span coverage was exciting, knew that it had t/b 10 times the fire to be there live.
Thanks for the links - great post
Un gigante durmiente ha despertado!
Thanks Pach for a lovely post. I ought to have said this sooner.
ccmask: that is such a sweet story. Lucky for your father, no?
There’s some irony in the speeches of the anti-immigrant folks: they keep talking about the immigrants coming here in order to take jobs from Americans - that in itself is incredible! - while ignoring that their own ancestors came here and, quite probably, did exactly the same thing. But then, they slept through history and missed the parts about ‘No Irish Need Apply’ and the discrimination against Italians and eastern Europeans. Then there were the anti-Asian laws…
Where in the Constitution does it say that we can pull up the drawbridge and close the borders to everyone else? It would be a really dull country without all the various people who’ve come. (I keep thinking of my sis-in-law: British, German, Norwegian, one person from Belarus, and that’s the ones we know about!)
Immanentize –
You know perfectly well what the problem is. It’s wages for bottom 20% of the income pyramid. It’s exploitation by cheesy business greedheads. I don’t think, and didn’t say, that all immigrants should be excluded. But I don’t think it’s acceptable that, when someone in Mexico or El Salvador or Guatemala or China or wherever finds that the shitty corrupt policies of their governments have made life impossible for them, the best option is sneaking across the border into the US to work for subminimum wages.
Lee-
I don’t get that “they should speak English if they want to stay here” crap. Who cares if they don’t want to learn English? They are the ones who would suffer, not you. If they can’t understand you that’s their problem. Why would you care one way or the other? Get a real problem to have a cow about.
‘As we protect all American workers, we protect standards of living, promote education, build a more sophisticated and internationally competitive workforce and end the race to the bottom in the domestic labor market that benefits big corporations in the short term at the expense of American strength and security in the long term.’
I would just like to add that we need comprehensive and affordable health care for every soul on our soil. Medicare part D needs to be repealed and fixed. We owe our Veterans what we promised them. We owe the poor, the weak, the sick, the youngest and eldest among us the very best care we can deliver. It is an abomination that we here in America cannot and will not do this very basic thing. It is a right, not a privilege. The art of medicine/nursing/pharmaceuticals/science should not be reserved for the affluent. Nor should big business benefit from the neglect of the masses while tending to their own coffers.
On my street lives the Sanchez family, citizens originally from South Texas. The grandparents barely speak English (Eliverto better than Maria). The 4 grown children all speak English with a thick Spanish accent but speak Spanish with a strong Hoosier accent! The grandchildren speak English and know just a few slang terms in Spanish … Eliverto’s son Juan named his firstborn Johnny.
Everyone at that rally shouted that they wanted to learn English. It’s not so easy when you work 60 hour weeks.
By the second or third generation, these families are fully English fluent. Just as very immigrant group has been.
What is with these language — what was the phrase? sinkhole trolls (I actually liked soft trolls ’cause it made me think of dinner trolls).
Anyway, I am second generation and two of my grandparents never really spoke English well, ever. My father banished Czech from his life — much to his sorrow as he grew older and realized his children were not offered that part of his heritage.
English is NOT the official language of this country. So get over your Swedish self. Or move to Lake Wobegone or whatever.
PS Here is a little mind-fucking fact for you language racists: One of the reasons that Texans fought for independence against Mexico was because the Mexican government required every transaction — like land sales — be done in Spanish. That’s right, the war of independence (the Alamo — remember?) was about language plurality.
Lee says:
April 10th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
…My grandparents were immigrants (legal) from Sweden. Swedish was banned from the house. Everyone had to speak English. No one even dreamt of teaching English as a second language.
Okay, my great-grandparents did the exact same thing. But do you know what? My grandpa always regretting not knowing more Swedish than he did. Language is a way for people to maintain their own cultural identities.
And I’m not sure of the statistic, but most immigrants- by the 2nd or 3rd generation or so, speak only english as their 1st language.
reposted from a previous thread:
in 1851 Indiana devised a new state Constitution and printed up 50,000 copies for mass public distribution. At the time, the State had many of those slow-headed German immigrants, hard-working and clean but they loved their beer too much. Those Krauts were also too pigheaded to learn English so the State also printed up 5000 copies of the new Constitution in German too. Why couldn’t Hans learn English like real Americans?
That was back in 1851…
When a co-worker (who fancies himself Libertarian and knows my political leanings) recently asked how I felt about the immigrant tuition break being proposed by Massachusetts politicans (can’t recall if it was a state effort or the Boston mayor’s?), I told him I had mixed emotions. You can’t “globalize” and set conditions for such a massive influx of cheap labor (the corporate wing of the GOP’s position) and then go ballistic when the situation gets out of hand. You can’t cash in on this influx of cheap labor and then treat them like dogs because it’s a strong wedge issue.
This issue was hatched by cynical GOP operatives (not that I deny that out borders need to be secure and immigration laws are unenforced) hence the recent furor. I say we turn it around on them: Look how far the Bush Administration has allowed the immigration problem to spiral out of control….and in the wake of 9/11.
How would they explain this away?
SqueakyRat –
It just cracks me up that you forgot to mention immigrants from Ireland, Canada, Poland, Russia, Israel, etc. etc. etc.
Y’know, “white” people
que toda la vida es sueño,
y los sueños, sueños son.
I am the grandson of immigrants from China who went to Hawaii to seek “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness,” even though they most assuredly never heard of Thomas Jefferson. Their more likely intellectual hero was Confucius.
Within my generation, all the males have served in the armed forces, one of them dying while in uniform. In my case I was a volunteer and still have my dogtags, and my serial number is still burned in my memory: RA4244094, Staff Sgt., Pacific Theater, US Army.
My first and deceased wife had a father who was a German immigrant, a mother who traced her ancestry to Cotton Mather. My second and ex-wife, is third generation Jew of grandparents from Russia and Lithuania. Her brother is married to a woman who is Japanese-African American.
One of my daughters married a 6th generation Scots-American, the other daughter married the third generation son of a Jewish father and Irish-Italian mother.
Immigrants all.
The real scandal is not the so-called undocumented aliens who are seeking a better life. The real scandal is the people who themselves are descended from people who came to this country to seek a better life, and having achieved that, want to deny it to others.
Can anyone in these United States look into a mirror and not see an immigrant past?
Reuters is reporting Prodi won lower house:
http://today.reuters.com/news/.....-ITALY.xml
Well put, orangejumpsuit.
There’s a lot heartwarming genuflection to our immigrant past going on around here, but it doesn’t change the fact that letting the world’s poor move to the US is not a solution to anything. This is not the 1850s or the 1880s or the 1900s. The US simply can no longer absorb unlimited numbers of destitute immigrants and send them off to murder Indians and get rich. There are, what, 5 times as many people in this country as there were when Granddad and Grandma got off the boat. It really is just not the same, you know.
orangejumpsuit~
Bravo!!
The up close, personal,coming from on the scene post was a great and informative read, Pach
Thanks
orangejumpsuit
righteous.
What a day…I didn’t logon tonight, and I missed a Lieberman thread, followed by a thread comparing Bush’s crew to the Watergate gang. My two favorite topics! Aaarghhh!!!
On the plus side, I was really happy to see how well-attended the nationwide demonstrations were. The message to the Republicans is clear - if the undocumented aliens are allowed to stay and become legal residents, there will be an additional 10 million registered Democrats.
No wonder they want to deport ‘em!
Does anyone think the REAL problem for the administration is that the “illegals” lean left? Or is it because 11 million illegals drink up their gas? Or are the corporations pissed because they need them to work over there so they don’t have to pay taxes in America?
Also, why do I feel nervous that Congress is on vacation. When the cats away…….
spin ..dance..cha cha..mambo…….IF you snuck across the border YOU BROKE THE LAW.you can spout all the flowery prose and uplifting tales you want.YOU ARE A CRIMINAL.I’m surprised that the caretaker of this blog who is such a stickler for the law when it pertains to the behavior of those of opposite political views would chose to ignore the law in this case.Tell me, “any means to an end”
and I gonna aint gonna dance cha cha wit eny ones but tem reilly reilly hi-clasy crimimals liken the Preznit cuz thems the stuf that makes Amerika greaaaatttt….
immigration and overpopulation: Holland is the most densely populated country in the world - we have a way to go in this country (although Hong Kong has the land area of Indianapolis and a population 10 times the size)
Agreed…a beautiful post, Pach. Today I feel more proud to be an American than I’ve felt for a long time. This outpouring of pride by Latinos is the best antidote to the hate-mongers.
I want my Latino brothers and sisters to be given the same opportunity as I was given a young Irish immigrant when I arrived in this country more than forty years ago.
Si se puede! These new Americans are reminding all of us of the Rights we have and cannot take for granted as Americans. They believe! When was the last time you heard the term, “Melting Pot”? It used to be said with pride and as a source of our Strength. April 29th in NYC - United for Peace and Justice. www.unitedforpeace.org
Great post, Pachacutec. I see strong parallels between the comments that are being made about Latino immigrants and what was said about my Irish and Slavic family up until World War II.
People who struggle to get here understand and embody the American dream. My grandparents and other immigrants came/come here for the chance that their hard work can result in better circumstances for their families. Our immigration laws should be fair, clear, and blind to ethnicity/religion/color.
I should point out, in DC, the event was attended by many immigrant groups, not just latinos.
As for illegality, the law has been designed to criminalize people we otherwise rely upon for labor. This is an American caste system. Liberalization of immigration law is a 21st century civil rights issue.
umm, when we immigrated here, all of us kids spoke a combo of 3 languages– teachers here got upset, said to my parents — nobody can understand them except them. Have the children speak only English. Problem for them was that we were different and to this day, I believe, suspicious of anything so strange and unintelligible. Shame on them for telling us to do that.
This is a persistent problem in much of America now, a virtual dearth of knowledge of other cultures and languages outside of the family or community. But the resentment against all things alien remains. That is, of course, unless we choose to go abroad and then– ooh, la, la– that’s another story altogether for some.
It is to our benefit that we embrace our varied cultures and languages. It makes us part of the greater world, instead of isolationists. I have met few native Americans in my life here, much to my dismay. I have met nobody here who did not immigrate or had family that immigrated… funny, huh?
Immanentize –
It matters when people came. Sometimes countries need immigration and sometimes they don’t. The time when the US needed mass immigration of poor people, whether it was from Ireland, Russia, Poland (I don’t even understand your mention of Israel and Canada?!) or anywhere else is long gone.
I’m all for helping the poor of the world. I just think we should help them where they already are. There really is no particular reason why Mexico, for example, should forever produce a flood of impoverished immigrants to serve as nannies and gardeners for middle-class Americans. Just doesn’t have to be that way!
Hersh on Anderson Cooper now - Cooper says lots of criticism but no denials, Hersh says he’s noticed this too.
Important - Hersh says this is operational planning no speculative planning which they obviously do all the time. Operational planning is preparing to act.
Pentagon wants nuclear option off the table, WH won’t take it off.
Senior officers will go to the pres and formally ask him to take it off the table which Hersh believes he then must do.
Messianic W - not sure what leads to this but this is a pres who believes he can do what no one else can do. W believes that Iranian prez is hitler and this is 1935, people in the WH believe this.
Cooper says “there’s a lot of fear about what is happening in Iran”
Hersh says IAEA has been tough on Iran. Iran wanting nukes makes some sense given how W is talking. Ayatollah has more power than secular authorities.
Huge diversion (from Tricky Karl, Curious George and Tricky Dick) is what this “immigration issue” is. Hugh Hewitt wingnut ass that he is, calling for a fence. We’re gonna call it a fence. Take a look at Israel’s “fence”. They always have to lie. It’s a huge freakin wall that will cost billions of dollars that goes directly to Haliburton and/or other connected Contractors.
They are intent on wrecking this country, and drowning it in a Katrina.
Beautifully said, Pach. Your story helps give faces and souls to a topic that is far too easily made into an abstraction for purposes of easy argumentation.
it’s interesting to note the parallels some folk make: “illegal aliens” broke the law so they should be punished. Bill Clinton broke the law (by lying about a blowjob) so he should be impeached. “Breaking the law” gets abstracted out and strong punishment gets demanded, regardless of the consequences or import.
Vengeance is mine is their mantra…
SqueakyRat: If during the last century we had actually barred Mexicans from coming here or seriously constricted the flow, we would have revolution in Mexico and another leftist-socialist government in the hemishphere. Is that what the right wing wants?
Of course not. The right wing wants to exploit brown people without rights for cheap labor and keep a landed plutocracy generally favorable to the US in power in Mexico.
Credit Steve Gilliard with pointing this out.
dyjech, 49
“IF you snuck across the border YOU BROKE THE LAW.you can spout all the flowery prose and uplifting tales you want.YOU ARE A CRIMINAL.”
Maybe your immigrant ancestors were lucky enough to get in because the means of legal entry were not denied to them.
Dale: That was my goal: to put this issue in its human context, out of the disembodied realm of abstract policy mused upon by those who are comfortable and lacking pigmentation.
if a giant fence is to be built, let’s import on temporary work visas some older architects from Eastern Germany. They have such superior experience in constructing Walls…
C-SPAN is rebroadcasting the DC demonstration now..
“El Sueno Americano”.
Whoever invented Spanish was a poet.
Question for those who want to send all undocumented workers “home:” how do they plan to pay for $10/head lettuce and $20/bunch grapes? Do those who want to deport the undocumented imagine that labor costs aren’t horribly depressed for all in an economy with 10% of its labor force “illegal?”
Lovely, Pach, simply lovely.
Thank you.
G’night all.
Keep your fingers crossed and pray for sanity.
Pach, man. Just great.
Pach, Orange Jumpsuit, Edward Deevy — I am so struck by all of us having this wonderful montage of immigrant (and/or Native American) backgrounds and all those ethnicities, faiths, narratives, working not only for each of us but all of us together, here, as a community — a microcosm reflecting what is absolutely the best this once-and-hopefully-soon-again-great country of ours has to offer. For the life of me, I cannot at base comprehend people so mean of spirit as to deny people already here the right to make something of their lives — when it is so obvious that the ONLY way to curb illegal immigration is to fine, big-time, those who hire them.
But the Repubs need a big issue, and yes, are worried about those 11 million votes.
How to Rove Rove on this? Play to his strength — like what: my mind’s a fuzz.
Schuyler still doesn’t sound Quechua…
Illegals aliens tend to be law abiding people in every other regard. They have to behave. If they get the attention of the law, and become arrested, they risk deportation. Otherwise, the law leaves them alone. Personally, I like them very much. I enjoy speaking Spanish and I talk to ones I meet. If anyone wanted to round them up, it would be fairly easy. Just go to the local Catholic Church that offers a mass in Spanish. Its usually quite full. I say this immigration issue is a big smokescreen to divert attention from more pressing concerns.
Go Fitz!
Off Topic:
wrt voting in New Orleans, if people couldn’t afford to get out of New Orleans how will they get in! Yikes!
I wonder if the “postal system” in New Orleans is up to the job of handling all those mail in ballots……too bad they didn’t set up polls like they did for the Iraqi’s to vote here, huh?
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But compared to the sophisticated effort to get Iraqis to vote in the U.S., the get-out-the-vote effort for Louisiana residents is a ragtag affair. “I’m trying to get the info out but FEMA won’t tell us where people are,” says a frustrated Katie Neason, who is organizing for ACORN in Dallas.
Pach, A beautiful post, and one I can relate to as my family came into Ellis Island.
Regarding the language issue, Cathy, Lee, and immanetize — yes, people do get hurt when they don’t know English and we are hurt, too. About 5 years ago, a NYPD cop yelled “Stop, police!” three times and the person kept advancing on him. The cop shot him (long story about following into an alley and all — the shooting was not an outrageous action) — turns out the man was from Laos and didn’t understand English. What a burden for the man’s family and the cop to carry forever?
As an ER nurse, I cannot tell you how much time I have spent to secure appropriate translation services for patients who do not speak or understand English. We are now required to do so by law. That hurts other patients I can’t get to, because legally, we cannot use family members because of the new patient confidentiality rules.
And what about a prescription label in English? Is it the pharmacy’s responsibility to be able to print a label in any possible language? The pharmacist then couldn’t proofread the label in every language.
Those are the things I worry about because I have lived them.
Who should pay for all the government documents to be translated into different languages and printed up? Which languages should be included? Isn’t it discriminatory to do just Spanish or Spanish and Polish?
Being an RN, these are things I struggle with. I worry about peoples’ safety. I can’t live with the “it’s their problem” — it’s my legal and ethical and moral responsibility. But I can’t do it all.
“immigration issue” pure Rove
good on all the marchers kicking ass - real human shit.
God knows it’s not going to be our tired, born-here, overfed, tv-luvin Murkan masses that will do something.
Save and reestablish this nation, illegals!
Angie-
I would just like to add that we need comprehensive and affordable health care for every soul on our soil. Medicare part D needs to be repealed and fixed. We owe our Veterans what we promised them. We owe the poor, the weak, the sick, the youngest and eldest among us the very best care we can deliver. It is an abomination that we here in America cannot and will not do this very basic thing. It is a right, not a privilege. The art of medicine/nursing/pharmaceuticals/science should not be reserved for the affluent. Nor should big business benefit from the neglect of the masses while tending to their own coffers.
Hear, hear!! Well said. And it would provide hundreds of thousands of jobs for new health care workers and incentive for training programs. It is obscene and absurd that our ability to seek health care in this country is limited by what is in our bank accounts.
Also, our friend Colin McEnroe who laid Joey out a few weeks back suggested today that the term be “undocumented immigrants” — that’s neutral language — get rid of “alien” (talk about explosive language) or “illegals” people cannot be illegal. Their actions may be (in a variety of situations — Rove and the cabal come immediately to mind), but people themselves are not!
maybe they should just be called “pre-citizens” ?
The overwhelming feelings of pride and positivity in these enormous coming togetherings are something else. It doesn’t escape me, Pach, that you did not use the word ‘demonstration’ in your post. These are something way beyond that.
Me encanta la cultura.
OT.
Christopher Hitchens, the Foster Brooks of international journalism who is in the last throes of wet-brain offers up his latest pre-liver transplant ramblings on the evil Joe Wilson.
http://www.slate.com/id/2139609/
-GSD
Hopeful-Americans?
“El Sueño Americano”
Hmm, that could mean “The American Dream”, but somehow it sounds more like “American Sleep”, which may be appropriate anyway.
Here’s a tidbit from FishbowlDC — Elisabeth Bumiller is leaving the NYT for a year to write a bio of Condoleeza Rice. That figures.
Also, Froomkin calling Murray Waas the now Woodward. Has a nice ring to it.
SqueakyRat
How many times have you or your friends and/or family traveled abroad with your credit cards and AMEX traveler’s checks to the Caribbean, Mexico, or anywhere else and seen the downcast eyes of the poor people who serve you a lovely tropical drink that costs more than their weekly salary? Their managers look closely as they serve you to check the tip you give, so that all the money goes to the owner.
Can you imagine the yearning they have to come here??? As we go around the globe on our travels, wearing our fine clothes, jewelry, designer bags– think how we are perceived. Worried we may have things stolen from us, safely esconced in our resort– aghast if we are bothered by the hucksters, and eschewing all things native, except for the floor shows that are sponsored safely.
It is a small example, but think about it. Immigration laws and quotas are not entirely fair, you know. Until we work to equalize the world and stop flaunting our good fortune and might, we cannot and should not criminalize those who just seek a better life– or survival.
Pach, thankyou for the story of your grandfather. I live in a fishing community (at least it used to be, but the economy and fishing rules are ending it) and many of our families are Italian and Portuguese. We also have recently seen a large group of Brazilians arriving; I don’t know why. Being a hospital, visiting and hospice nurse in this area has been a wonderful experience. I do not have much family and have been blessed to have been able to care for many of the matriarchs and patriarchs of these families over the years. The most striking thing to me about this experience is the ongoing multigenerational family living and the respect for elders which has not changed over time. In the market, I see grandmother or great grandmother shopping with the younger generation and have cared for many, many elders who share a home with a child and grandchildren. It is just something you seldom see in the “European” families; they may move mom or dad in for a year or two, but in my other families it is the way life is lived, to take care of and share the bounty of love from mother and father.
Your grandmother is a stunner and your grandfather sure has a twinkle in his eye, yes?
tojo2000: that translation bothered me too: maybe it should be “La Visión Americana”?
With One Filing, Prosecutor Puts Bush in Spotlight
WASHINGTON, April 10 — From the early days of the C.I.A. leak investigation in 2003, the Bush White House has insisted there was no effort to discredit Joseph C. Wilson IV, the man who emerged as the most damaging critic of the administration’s case that Saddam Hussein was seeking to build nuclear weapons.
But now White House officials, and specifically President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, have been pitched back into the center of the nearly three-year controversy, this time because of a prosecutor’s court filing in the case that asserts there was “a strong desire by many, including multiple people in the White House,” to undermine Mr. Wilson.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04.....r=homepage
Wonderful thread and thanks to Pach. G’nite.
GSD, loved your Hitchens intro, “pre-liver transplant ramblings.” LMAO.
I always like it when something that took years and even decades to occur is treated as if it happened overnight. As in, I went to bed last night and darn if this morning I woke up and found 11 million immigrants on my doorstep. It’s not like no one knew that this was happening. And if anyone wanted to close the door on this, they should have thought about that, oh say, about 10 million people ago. Nothing happened and you know why? Because no one wanted it to. Not big business: agriculture, construction, restaurants, hotels, or meat packing and not the rest of us who benefited from the resultant lower prices. We will either go with the status quo out of political paralysis and cowardice or we will legalize those 11 million, because we have no other choice.
Someone a few threads back suggested that immigrant labor should be covered by the same labor laws as citizens, including minimum wage and right to sue for unfair practices. I think this is a good idea and would take away the argument that illegal immigrants are unfairly competing with Americans. Still the only real way of drying up the job market for illegals (if this is what you want to do) is to make employers criminally liable for hiring them. Little of this is going to happen, of course. I foresee more hypocritical nonsolutions and lots of rhetoric, it being an election year and all.
OT: our dear Froomkin mentioned in his online chat that the thread on the WaPoBlog has been highjacked into a discussion of “A Good Leak”. I would bet that many folk at the Post have been skimming through it and laughing and crying softly…
Sueño is common for “dream.” It connotes that which is ardently hoped or wished for, and it comes up a lot in romantic ballads, like those sung by Marc Anthony, in Spanish.
zennurse– A great point you made there. People from the ‘old’ country certainly place higher esteem on family, don’t they? They take care of and value the elderly and the young. Everyone has a place and responsibility in the continuum of life. Not a disposable mentality at all. Thank you zen, for your good work. Hospice is near and dear to my heart. ;)
If America had not opened its doors to my mother’s parents – Polish Jews born in the early 20th century — they would most likely have died in one of Hitler’s concentration camps. As much as I may complain about the things I don’t like about America, I never forget that my family and I all owe this country our lives. And I’m also not arrogant enough to think that we’re the only ones who deserve that good fortune.
So here’s my bottom line: unless there is a damn good reason to think that someone will not be a good citizen of America, we should allow him/her to come here and work for a better life.
Now, exactly how we do that, I’m not sure. We all know the system right now is broken. It’s not just the illegal immigrant problem – anyone who’s fallen in love with and married someone not from this country can tell you what an insane pain in the butt it can be to get their status settled, even when the person in question is here legally.
I recognize that there are some practical concerns that accompany an open door immigration policy and that not everyone who wants to come here is going to be able to come here. That’s Ok, we can work on it. But we need to start from the foundation belief that we want immigration and that immigrants are still welcome in this Land of the Free.
Do Americans have any idea what the systematic deportation of 11 million people will look like? Soldiers hauling away sobbing families, neighbors turning in each other for fear of deportation themselves, children separated from parents, mistakes and wrongful deportations, fetid detention camps in which people are concentrated while awaiting deportation, quite possibly violent, mass and popular resistence in communities where many illegal immigrants live?… and these images will be transmitted to every country in the world, and what’s left of our tattered image as the land of liberty and opportunity will be forever replaced by the inevitable photogged scene of shackled children being manhandled into buses by men with M16s. Just the thought of what this gigantic fascistic clusterfuck will look like sure makes me feel proud to be a citizen…
As somebody who is not American, but who spent a good chunk of time there as an immigrant and who started a family there before returning home to Canuckistan, I just wanted to say…..
Pachacutec’s post and all it evokes, as well as this thread, represent many of the best things about America that I recall fondly.
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OT, but a little bit fun, Fred Hiatt is also a novelist. No need to blogswarm, it sits at ##2,570,597 on the Amazon list!!!
The Rising Sun
He also writes children’s books:
“If I were Queen of the World”
Yesterday: #1,308,979 in Books
and
“Baby Talk”
“21 used & new available from $0.01″
#1,093,175 in Books
Poor Fred
11 million “illegals” comprise about 3.9% of the U.S. population.
We can’t assimilate that? Really?
Pachacutec,
Thank you. That was beautiful. And both photos too.
Thank you, Pachacutec.
If Europe was so great, the Europeans would have stayed there.
remember those horrid pictures of poor Elian being rescued from the batshit crazy Miami relatives? replicate that by the thousands and post it on Al-Jazeera and the BBC…
Leslie did a great job reporting on our Obama Town Hall afternoon. We certainly tried to get to ask a question but the crowd was big and the time was very short and controlled. Also Obama talks a very long time in response to each question - he does into tons of detail about each answer - at one point Leslie and I remarked on the similarity to a filibuster.
Let’s set the scene: Leslie and I met after exchaning emails on our new FDL ROOTS Group - we found each other easily and it was wonderful to meet another FDLer. When we went in, I asked if they were signing up bloggers as media and when they said yes, we signed up on the media list which will hopefully put us on a list to get event announcements, etc. I also asked who handles foreign affairs on the staff and met the young woman who does so. I asked if we could arrange a meeting for Chicago area bloggers to discuss issues more thoroughly with the Senator and got the contact info for his scheduler. (This is a useful thing to do - it begins to introduce us to the staff personally which helps when we want to get their ear, the staffers have tremendous control over info and positions so they are often even more important to influence than the pol themselves, and the more inside info (names,phones, etc) the easier it will be for us to bypass the voicemail machine and make out points heard. Media lists usually recieve special mailings, invites, etc so try to get on one if you can - since there’s a growing desire to get bloggers on pol’s sides but no real system yet, this may be the ideal time to get treated as media contacts rather than just consituents.
The audience was about 1/3 Loyola students and 1/3 regular folks. Leslie ran into a friend and the three of us sat up front and discussed possible questions - we were well prepared but as Leslie said, only about 8 questions were asked and answered and there was a large crowd - most with something to ask.
Obama’s basic message was that he and the dems have no power and no ability to change/pass legislation, etc. The continual meme of we’d like to do more but can’t do anything was frustrating - at one point Obama said “all we can do is ask please for a hearing” which seemed typical of the dem mantra - since we have no control, you can’t ask us to actually do anything. While we know the limitations of being a minority party, taking strong stands and speaking out does not require control of a committee, etc.
Obama was good in response to a question on help for Aids patients from someone in ActUp, thoughtful and good on student loans, supports Kennedy McCain on immigration, somewhat standard responses on environment and campaign finance.
One person asked why the Dems have no balls and he headed back into the “we have no power” speech.
What was striking were his answers on foreign affairs. As Leslie mentioned, the reference to Venezuela as an enemy of the US was very disturbing - this was in the context of a comment on energy independence and he lumped Venezuela, Iran, and Saudi Arabia together.
On Iraq, there were two very good questions