Comments on: Late Nite FDL: Breaking The Code

By: baby_zoot

baby_zoot — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:56:27 +0000

this is the most amazing discussion on racism I have ever come across on a blog.

some things are much harder to see from the other side. so a lot of times, its almost pointless to “talk” across the “racial divide”

if this thread is in anyway indicative of the direction of movement in the general population, then the divide may be narrowing,

John Casper has it absolutely right in his post on the historical legacy of racism. And it should be added that the psychological changes he mentions go both ways.

By: mui

mui — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:30:39 +0000

As for bi-racial relationships, in my Southern city, there are many, and they seem to flourish in spite of prejudice. Love is stronger than hate. as far as rejection of bi-racial adopted children
Margaret, of course relationships can still flourish. This is yet another very strange rationalization that I was talking about. Relationships can flourish of course, but with much, much more hardship. When my partner rejoined me back up North, it was a breath of relief and a saving grace. The oppression, the remarks and the attitudes were things we felt we did not have to put up with, because we knew life was different elsewhere.My experiences elsewhere in this country including Seattle were nothing like the south. And I have been going there since I was a child.

By: BullGoose

BullGoose — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:01:34 +0000

PART 3 (still same thread)

Can’t let nobody step outta line, neither. Sorry Charlie.

http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0187
#187 Mike Charlie 9/27/2005 08:09PM PDT

I know it’s fun to point fingers at the evil crimes of others, but the same kinda things happen here too. Female murder victims in the US are more often than not, murdered by a lover or family member. A woman is raped in the US every 2 minutes. I don’t think that the lives of American women are worth any less than those of Muslim women.
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#191 reaganite 9/27/2005 08:11PM PDT

Mike Charlie,
FOAD Troll
[Fuck Off And Die, I guess]
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0191
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#196 Ringo the Gringo 9/27/2005 08:14PM PDT

Hey Charlie,
You are a fool.
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#203 reaganite 9/27/2005 08:17PM PDT

Mike Charlie,
What part of FOAD didn’t you understand?
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#209 Iron Fist 9/27/2005 08:18PM PDT

Mike Charlie,
GFYWACS
[Go Fuck Yourself With A…?]
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#210 not neo just conservative 9/27/2005 08:20PM PDT

Iron Fist,
With a what? CS… Ummm, Chain Saw? Ouch.
[…With A Chain Saw! Go Fister!]
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0210
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#260 Ringo the Gringo 9/27/2005 08:43PM PDT

Charlie, Go fuck yourself Asshole.
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#337 Locrian 9/27/2005 09:40PM PDT

Ringo the Gringo…
Well put…I hate it when these leftist turd eaters try to compare America with a bunch of scum sucking islamopigs.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0337
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#218 Havoc 9/27/2005 08:24PM PDT

Mike Charlie - “Female murder victims in the US are more often than not, murdered by a lover or family member.”

So what are you doing about it Pal?
Gun is an effective deterrant against rape
Woman’s alcohol consumption the most significant risk factor.
[link is to gunowners.org.]
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#340 jcm 9/27/2005 09:43PM PDT

Mike Charles,
I and many of my friends still believe in defending a womans honor. It’s called chivalry. That and other reasons is why we spent time training and carry. If we ever came across a rape or situation like that in Denmark we could instantaneously stop the crime. But only in America do we have citizens armed and able to stop a crime like that in progress. In the Arab world it isn’t even a crime. My guess is that honor killings are way down in Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0340

The End

By: BullGoose

BullGoose — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:56:50 +0000

PART 2 (from same thread)

Let’s see…virulent mutating shit…check. Subhuman animal garbage…check. Dehumanization complete. Now, what are we missing? The ovens! SeigHei… Ach, too soon. Wrong century. Gotta work ‘em up extra good these days to get that train on track. Need some more homicidal fantasy. But lets bring it a little closer to the Motherla…Homeland this time, shall we? Make it visceral. Mix it up a bit.

#99 Havoc 9/27/2005 07:28PM PDT

It’s called Thermite, the Nazi’s used it to firebomb London, and when the Napalm ran out, Curtis Lemay used it to Bomb Japanese cities in WW II.

B-29’s over Tokyo . . .
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#144 Havoc 9/27/2005 07:45PM PDT
Iron Fist - “Safe, effective, and relatively cheap. Nice toy :-)”

When the war of deportation get’s into full swing (that Rayra keeps predicting), you can sign me up for the airforce thermite squadron.
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#153 Poitiers-Lepanto 9/27/2005 07:48PM PDT

Transferthem - “I wish they’d start killing leftists”

It will happen sooner than we think: the invaders hate the lack of morality of the “West” and they call “West” anything connected with movies, TV, etc. It will be fun. The filth column is hanging (beheading, stoning, shredding, etc.) itself.
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#157 Iron Fist 9/27/2005 07:51PM PDT

Havoc,
I’ll be on the Tomahawk squadron. Best bang for the buck, although the Girlfriend 20.0 doesn’t see the difference between it a regular hatchet. (sigh)
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#159 Havoc 9/27/2005 07:54PM PDT

J.D.,
Ever hear of a place called Dresden?
Depending on who’s neighborhood is the target, it has the intended effect of eliminating all the housing with 3,000 degree firestorm. G_d have mercy on any poor soul caught in it.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0159
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#172 strictnein 9/27/2005 08:00PM PDT

Just a screw driver and an empty room with this guy. That’s all I want.
Philips preferably.
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#174 Havoc 9/27/2005 08:00PM PDT

Iron Fist - “Display or hard use, this cutting tool is built for business.”

I know you like it all to be “Up Close and Personal” but one’sy two-sie is just too slow.
When things really get underway to de-house, for an Industrial sized job , you need industrial sized tools.
[Fister’s link is to a pic at pbs.org. A group of apartment buildings occupied by Muslims]
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#195 melachiro 9/27/2005 08:14PM PDT

“‘Honour killing’ inspires reflection among Pakistanis”

Inspires reflection on what? Not doing it in friggin’ public next time? No hope whatsoever, we will be fighting in our streets within the decade…glad I stocked up on the 7.62 x 39 [guessing…7.62mm cartidges in 39 shot clips?], great for inner city ROP cleansing.
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#309 Earth2moonbat 9/27/2005 09:12PM PDT

Catttt - “They disgust me. I am visualizing collectively kneeing all of them in their collective shrunken balls.”

I’m thinking splitting maul.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0309
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#311 Sarah D. 9/27/2005 09:13PM PDT

no2liberals,
I have better things in mind. Think garrote and gonads.
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#331 energyforcapital 9/27/2005 09:35PM PDT

309-e2m
“I’m thinking splitting maul.”

ooohoohoohooooo…now we’re talking!
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#332 no2liberals 9/27/2005 09:36PM PDT

Sarah D,

Here is another image, with specs. I prefer the .338 Lapua Mag.
/oh yeahhh
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#334 RebTex 9/27/2005 09:39PM PDT

No 2 Liberals,
There’s nothing that can compare (price or useage) with the M-77 Mk2 International with good optics.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0334

By: BullGoose

BullGoose — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:48:06 +0000

PART 1:

This thread is typical LGF. Johnson posts a graphic example of fundamentalist Muslim hatred and violence. In this case:

Honor Killing in Denmark

The Dark Ages come to Denmark in broad daylight, as a Pakistani man murders his sister in a public street… [snip]

The Little Green Feverswamp stirs to life:

#126 Ann 9/27/2005 07:38PM PDT

We must not, and cannot respect this “culture”. It must adapt to civilization as we know it.
Or we will die at its barbaric hands. I am sure that couple thought that they would be above that law in the West. And its cancer just continues to infects us.
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#130 sixstringslinger 9/27/2005 07:38PM PDT

Repeat after me:
ROP…ROP…ROP…ROP…ROP…ROP…ROP…ROP…ROP…ROP…ROP…
R.I.P.
[ROP = Islam, the “Religion Of Peace”. Or, to Little Green F’ers, RO-Pigs, RO-Pork, RO-Porkers, etc.]
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#135 rightasrain 9/27/2005 07:41PM PDT

The infant mortality rate among Arabs and Muslims is mostly a problem of defects from inbreeding. Cousins marry cousins whose children marry their cousins, etc. It’s a breeding ground for birth defects. The trust for marriages is within the family, however, so the inbreeding goes on.
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#152 RebTex 9/27/2005 07:48PM PDT

vero,
It ain’t a religion….it’s an excuse to act like a koranimal.
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#169 Ojoe 9/27/2005 08:00PM PDT

Do we, as human beings, want to go forward into the future carrying this s**t with us?
Wipe them out.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0169
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#217 Toby Petzold 9/27/2005 08:23PM PDT

Subhuman garbage.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0217
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#296 Locrian 9/27/2005 09:05PM PDT

Bury islam…..cult of garbage
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7686#c0296

By: the green lantern

the green lantern — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:56:45 +0000

Jane Knowles @ 174 - I agree: â€œeducational and economic investments in struggling communities with majority black populationsâ€ would be a good start at remedying the historical damages from slavery and its aftermath.

And to those who would say it is impractical, I say look at the example of the acclaimed Marshall Plan for repairing the damages of WWII in Europe. That massive effort (in terms of resources committed) was of course done for white people and hence widely accepted in the US. Not so for black people closer to home. And not for Native Americans. However, it was done for the Japanese (on a smaller scale) as compensation for their internment; the Jews have had their day too; and there are others.

In the case of African Americans, the early promise of Reconstruction and â€œan acre and a muleâ€ was nipped in the bud and resistance continues till today. That resistance is itself tied up with the complex of attitudes and institutions that we call racism.

The civil rights movement and the brief episode of the â€œwar on povertyâ€ managed to bring some of the underlying issues to the fore. But that was undoubtedly due to the social upheavals that occurred then.

It will take another such social upheaval to move the ball further towards a full reckoning and redress of the historical record. Until and unless that day of reckoning occurs, the stain of racism will remain a dark spot on the national character.

By: margaret

margaret — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:09:52 +0000

For #164:
No one is making excuses for any racism, Southern, or from any other quarter. What I was pleading for in my earlier post was for less stereotyping, which is one of the foundations for racist thinking, as well as other forms of biogtry. I was also trying to point out the regional uses of language which we must try to understand if we are to stop calling each other names and attempting to discredit other people’s traditions (the good ones). The Democrats cannot hope to win the South, again, unless they stop the kind of broad assertions and Deanesque comments about Southerners which makes a great sound bite, but ends up being so destructive.

As for bi-racial relationships, in my Southern city, there are many, and they seem to flourish in spite of prejudice. Love is stronger than hate. as far as rejection of bi-racial adopted children, check out the attitudes of Seattle, Washington, and the responses my best friend (white) has received every time she has appeared in public with her child. Ugliness and hate are everywhere in this country. We Democrats should be about tolerance, inclusiveness, and the furtherance of education for all children so that election day debacles such as occured in Florida in many counties, where African-Americans were cheated, lied to, bamboozled out of their votes, will never again
be tolerated.

By: T. Ross

T. Ross — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:29:05 +0000

Thanks, Digby.

As a black, gay man I can’t tell you how many times I’ve encountered veiled (sometimes thinly)racist and homophobic comments.

We black people are reminded ad nauseum that we are being overly sensivitive or we’re accused of having a “chip on our shoulder” if we dare complain to anyone about being subjected to anything that is not overtly racist or homophobic.

The result is a segment of the population that often feels discriminated against but is unable to articulate the act since it was coded or implied.

Thanks for saying what we’ve been saying all along, because no one wants to hear it from us.

By: Harold of the rocks

Harold of the rocks — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:14:43 +0000

While not everyone who hates gays is also racist, you can probably feel fairly comfortable in assuming that if somebody is talking about their Christian, southern antebellum heritage and they hate gays â€” itâ€™s code.

I don’t know about that. I know a lot of conservative Southerners, and by and large they are honestly freaked out by gay people. The only connection to racism that I can see is that racism and homophobia both spring from the same xenophobic, provincial outlook. There’s a high correlation between homophobia and racism, but that doesn’t mean one is code for the other.

They use code words because overt racism is no longer respectable. “Law and order, anti-affirmative action, anti-welfare, family values” rhetoric appeals to millions of voters who would be horrified to think of themselves as racist. On the other hand, homophobia is still pretty respectable. If you say “I’m sorry, I just don’t like gays; that’s not natural,” most people in the US will not immediately consider you a bigot, and probably close to half will agree with you.

I think anti-gay rhetoric is meant to appeal to genuine homophobia. Probably homophobia is highly correlated with latent racism, so you end up appealing to many of the same people. If this is code talk, I think the decoding is subconscious.

By: JaneKnowles

JaneKnowles — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:30:41 +0000

@Green Lantern: Knowing what I know about slavery, I’m all for reparations. I think the government could make them in the form of educational and economic investments in struggling communities with majority black populations.

I’ve course I’m no fool. Most people–including liberals–don’t know shit about what slaves endured, or how the foundation of this country was basically built at the cost of their blood, sweat and tears, not to mention how the legacy of the institution continues to tear through the fabric of current generations. So until the day comes that people are truely educated on the realities of slavery, I imagine most folks–both Dems and Republicans, would be very much opposed to any attempts to repay and repair for the cost of slavery.