
(Tonight’s guest poster is Digby)
It’s always interesting to see how the right wing deals with its inherent racism. They used to wear it proudly and openly, but since we have managed to make some progress in the last 40 years or so, they have had to become much more creative in the way they convey their solidarity with the racist among us. The patron saint of Republican operatives (and Karl Rove’s Godfather) Lee Atwater discussed the GOP’s dilemma way back in 1980:
”You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘Nigger, nigger, nigger.’ By 1968 you can’t say ‘nigger’ — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
”And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, ‘We want to cut this,’ is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than ‘Nigger, nigger.”’
He was wistful about it. Racism was getting harder to sell; the message had to be abstract. Shucks. But abstract or not, it still resonated. Even tax cuts — the raison d’etre of modern Republicanism, was actually a coded racist issue — "blacks are gonna get hurt by ‘em." (This was actually a very old story in America and may even be the reason why we’ve never had the kind of social services and safety net that other first world economies have — a fair number of people refuse to pay for anything that might benefit minorities.)
Atwater was a master of the southern strategy and this admission signaled a new generation of racist code that the Republicans had to adopt to keep the south in the GOP column. Too many southerners and others around the country had had their consciousness’ raised about the issue and racism was forced to go underground.
But it still rears its ugly face in all its glory from time to time as when RedState commenters write things like this:
Actually, I can’t wait for the unsealing of the secret FBI King files in 2027 to reveal the truth about MLK and his less than honorable life and legacy (thanks to a liberal judge and the King family they have bought time preventing their release under FOIA… hmm, you think they have something to hide?). In the mean time, the country remains held hostage to the unbalanced and intellectually dishonest legacy of this man and his family. Pardon me if I choose not to worship at their phony altar.
Also, I can see clearly why blacks just love the Democratic party for all its done for them in perpetuating their continued pride in their own sense of victimhood. Bravo!
Notice how polite the racism has become? No "nigger, nigger, nigger" anywhere. And yet I think we can all agree that the racial hostility is quite evident, although I’m sure the writer would tell you that he was only talking about MLK or certain "Afro-Americans" (one of their favorite codes) and that they just love black people; it’s the Democratic "race hustling victim pimps" they are against:
Those who follow leaders like Dr. Lowry deserve to be marginalized.
Funny, but I recall that African-Americans are losing political clout in America, as the Hispanic population increases in size.
So, explain to me again why the NAACP and other "mainstream" African-American organizations should be accorded respect, if they refuse to be respectful– or even polite themselves?
As I’ve written before, it’s always something:
1955 – They are an inferior race
1965 – They aren’t good workers
1975 – They make old white customers uncomfortable
1985 – Affirmative action means their diplomas are bogus
1995 – They are a litigation risk for discrimination
2006 – They don’t know how to behave in public.
During Katrina we saw a different face of coded racism: the "fear of the black mob," the history of which goes all the way back to the early years of American history and the slave revolts. This is the racism that led Peggy Noonan, Jonah Goldberg and others on the right to lead the shrill cries to shoot first and ask questions later, based on the unconfirmed stories of marauding gangs of African American criminals. The hysteria to which they and the mainstream media succumbed was a significant factor in the sluggish relief and evacuation effort. It wasn’t that Bush didn’t "care about black people." (although I doubt he cares much.) It’s that whites were afraid of black people. That’s just another side of the same bigoted coin.
This particular coded racist code has bee quite useful. It flies surreptitiously under the rightwing battle flag of "law ‘n order" (George Wallace’s latter day code for "nigger, nigger, nigger") that was adopted wholesale by the GOP after 1968. It served the Republicans very, very well for more than 30 years and has probably only been temporarily shelved for their current obsession with "islamofascism." It is being half-heartedly revived for the immigration debate today although they haven’t been able to integrate it very smoothly with their economic and national security arguments quite yet.
They are making some progress with this new blanket designation of "illegals," whom Jack Cafferty on CNN today suggested be dealt with by having the INS bring buses to the protests and shipping out anyone who can’t produce a green card. (I don’t have one myself, so I suppose I could be shipped out right along with all the other Americans who don’t carry "papers.")
Perhaps the most obscure form of racist code speech is rampant neo-confederate homophobia. I know that sounds strange, but it’s true. Anti-gay language, crude or not so crude, can be found in many neo-confederate tracts and articles. They often use the traditional language of anti-semitism. (All that "disease" talk. )I was confused by this for a while, wondering if the antebellum south had had an underground gay sub-culture that had been scorned as a southern tradition. But it is actually just another code for traditional bigotry which they base on this:
When I served on the State Textbook Committee, I asked each publisher, "what is your definition of family?" Almost without exception, the publishers, out of deference to the homosexual, lesbian, and feminist movements, define family as two or more people living together who care for one another. By their definition, any two people living together – men, women, married, unmarried – are now defined as a family.
The antebellum South was a society founded on the traditional family of husband, wife, and children. Even today, more than the rest of the US, the South is still more family oriented. Southerners still do not move as often as other people do. More than 75% of the people living in Alabama today were born in Alabama.
Because the South was, and is more family oriented, and because our definition of family is increasingly unacceptable to many Americans, all things Southern, including our concept of family, are attacked.
This convenient conflation of "traditional" southern culture and family, of course, ignores the fact that slave families were ruthlessly broken up. And anyway the slaves had a mental defect that made them want to run away. But, no matter. You can see how easily the neoconfederates have incorporated this "family values" rhetoric and substituted their overt racism with overt homophobia.
The neoconfederates are a marginal group. Even most conservative southerners aren’t members of such organizations as League of the South. But, as David Niewert explained last week, this language makes its way into the mainstream through the right wing noise machine until it becomes mainstream. The codes are still understood by those at whom they are aimed and the rhetoric itself becomes a normal part of the discourse. While not everyone who hates gays is also racist, you can probably feel fairly comfortable in assuming that if somebody is talking about their Christian, southern antebellum heritage and they hate gays — it’s code. For gays, sure. But also for blacks, for Mexicans, the whole kaleidoscope of colors and cultures they hate.
It is no surprise then that loaded terms such as "the homosexual agenda" have emanated from the usual racist rightwing suspects. As Jack Balkin explained:
There has been considerable discussion about Justice Scalia’s accusation that the Lawrence majority had signed on to "the so-called homosexual agenda." I believe what has irked some people is that the expression "the homosexual agenda" has a history. It is a form of code often used by Jesse Helms and other social conservative politicians to whip up resentment against moderates and liberals who support gay rights. The use of the term "homosexual agenda" has been a shrewd way of intimating without overtly stating that people who supported gay rights were somehow disloyal to the country (like the hidden communist agenda) because they were assisting in the destruction of America by destroying its moral fibre, or extremist, because they supported a deeper, hidden agenda whose real goals cannot be openly announced and are instead disguised in the plausible sounding garb of equal rights.
Here’s a representative quote from Sen. Helms in support of a bill he introduced to roll back President Clinton’s executive order prohibiting discrimination against gays in federal employment:
" Mr. President, for many years the homosexual community has engaged in a well-organized, concerted campaign to force Americans to accept, and even legitimize, an immoral lifestyle. This bill is designed to prevent President Clinton from advancing the homosexual agenda at the expense of both the proper legislative role and the free speech rights of Federal workers."
And, of course, it’s a matter of states’ rights, don’t you know.
The Mighty Rightwing Wurlitzer and its little volume pedal, the bigotsphere, are continuing the long tradition of American intolerance. The good news is that they are largely forced to find ways other than overt racist language to convey their hatred and intolerance. The bad news is that they manage to do it so very well. In case anyone has missed their latest brilliant rhetorical twist, here it is: if you call them on their racism, you are a racist. It’s one of the more successful applications of the GOP epistemic relativism of the "I know you are but what am I" variety. It’s quite frustrating, just as the Orwellian "losing means winning" rhetoric is. But don’t mistake it for anything but what it is. It’s not just a lame riposte. It’s not a defense. It’s code to others who think as they do. Racists.
Previous posts in the series:
Educating Wolfie by Pam Spaulding
Right Wing Racism: Steve Sailer by Armando
Let’s Go Real Far Right… by Matt Stoller
Tramsmitting Extremism by David Neiwert
The Fork in the Road — The Right and Race Online by Steve Gilliard
Late Night FDL: A Thin Candy-Coat of Legitimacy by TBogg
What Lies Beneath by Matt O.
Matt O. has also been compiling racist quotes from right-wing websites over at The Great Society.



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Digby!
“Volume pedal?”
I always thought of it more as a reverb unit…
Ru Paul !
Brilliant, Digby.
Yeah I get that a lot — “you’re a racist for calling me a racist.” These would-be Ciceros seem to have learned their rhetorical technique on a kindergarten playground.
That Cafferty moment scared me today. The whole thing scares me. Coded racism and eliminationist rhetoric keeps making their way into the mainstream. Thanks for raising our collective IQs a few points with this post.
That timeline leaves out one important date in the Atwater passing the torch cannon…..
1988
Which was a whole different excercise in codifying I reckon.
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What a great post. You have just clarified why I identify myself as a liberal as opposed to a libertarian. While I’m considerably to the right of many Democrats on most economic issues and I’m way to the permissive direction on social issues, the folks in the libertarian camp are all too willing to use similar coding
and logic to camouflage their true feeling regarding minorities. A quick visit to LewRockwell.com reveals that racism is the one obstacle that is preventing the far right and the far left from joining forces to end our current foriegn policy madness.
Bigotsphere, I like it.
I came up with Hackistan for our brothers blogging on the right. Go ahead and steal it, I never minded, you know.
I riffed it from Grand Moff Texan anyway. Adios, NorCal checks out.
So, this makes 8 entries. When will you be sending this to Wolfie?
Thaks, digby, wonderful posts and examples.
Welcome to firedoglake, you’re a big hero over here.
Another one to bookmark for future reference.
It’s funny, as a gay man, I know that side of their rhetoric inside and out, but have not written about it here.
Thanks, Digby.
great post. knowledge is power. it’s refreshing to see the right wing’s racism exposed for what it is.
The Mighty Rightwing Wurlitzer and its little volume pedal, the bigotsphere.
– Digby
nice dude.
Yay, DIGBY!!
That ruled. Thanks.
in America, the Naderites and Greens are fatally wounded politically by their color-blindness: they are just so white and dont realize it. Their issues are often great but no significant effort is made to reach the masses of progressive African-American or Latino voters. The Democratic Party has enough Black and Latino elected officials that it is forced to recognize a crucial voter base. The GOP has no Black Congresscritters whatsoever…
wow … a wondrous post from Pach and now Digby! we FDLers might get spoiled!
Thanks!
great post. I wish I didn’t have to be at work tomorrow, else I’d be up the whole night on FDL.
‘night
Thanks Digby. IMO, so called conservative profit hugely from high incarceration rates for African-American men. It seems to me this is in large part due to the systemic segregation of African-Americans away from numeracy and literacy. Numeracy and literacy actually cause physiological changes in the brain. It is rare that someone with illiterate parents graduates from high school. Progress is generational across ethnic boundaries. Prior to 1865, it was illegal for African-Americans to learn. In 1920, there were four high schools in Florida that allowed non-whites. This means most Americans had a huge generational advantage in terms of literacy and numeracy, but now African-Americans have to compete head to head for jobs with them. Illiteracy leaves anyone, regardless of ethnicity, at a substantially greater risk for mental illness, substance abuse, and of course unemployment. The heinous abuses heaped on the ancestors of African-Americans during slavery, and through the years of legalized white supremacy are more difficult to quantify.
It’s a great honor to have you here at FDL.
Nuke-rattling over Tehran ain’t useful:
April 11 (Bloomberg) -- Oil traded near a seven-month high in New York on concern that supplies from Iran, the world's fourth-largest producer, may be disrupted by the escalating dispute over its nuclear program.The time of Rovian/Atwater tactics MUST end. It is bad for our country and for democracy, and it has bled now into areas that should be sacred … sending young men and women to die in battle.
Here is a new article about the Rove/Cheney pre-war manipulation and spin of intelligence. This is why Tenet got his medal.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m22…..1&hd=0
That was really good, Digby.
What about the bogus reporting of a gunshot when the helicopters were trying to rescue Katrina victims? The rescue mission that day was cancelled. Didn’t see anyone in the media question 1.) The accuracy of the report (later shown to be bogus) or 2.) wonder why they pulled away like wimps. Aren’t these people payed to put their life on the line to rescue Americans (oh, thats right, THEY are real Americuns!)? Maybe the reason they’re aren’t 200 helicopters in NO is because they’re in Iraq?
It seemed like the media was reporting that the black CITIZENS either didn’t want to be rescued or weren’t worthy until some actual human beings on the ground showed otherwise. IMO, Bush didn’t do anything to help in NO was premeditated playing to his racist base. I think they were suprised to find so many outraged citizens who weren’t, like themselves, racist.
The racism and bigotry shouldn’t suprise anyone who has read any decent definition of “facism”.
This is why it is critical to expose the extreme racist underbelly of the political machine that is the GOP. When Democrats fear confronting the “GOP values” we fail to explain to moderate, mostly white voters, what undergirds the GOP – extremism, racism, hatred.
Like Digby, I have written often of Abraham Lincoln’s Cooper Union speech in 1860 – when Lincoln outlined his political strategy of braning the Confederates to be as the extremists. It is the political lesson our Party must learn. The DLC plan of chasing “values” voters is a fool’s errand.
Quite a while back, I lived in Toronto for a short time with my kids and we were gobsmacked by the experience of living in a genuinely multicultural setting. Since then I’ve experienced the same on many visits to Montreal. Both cities have a vibrancy and forward feel that we would be hard to match anywhere here in the states and I believe that is in large part due to our resistance to the diverse gifts celebrated in true multiculturalism. What was most striking to me was that the push was not for “melting pot” or “assimilation” but instead an honoring and enjoyment of the mix of languages, cultures and cuisines … the pride of friends who lived at a corner where 4 different ethnic nrighborhoods came together. This openess and appreciation allows the brilliance of so many to come together and we would be wise to learn that lesson.
“Kinder, kirche, kuche” [children, church, kitchen] certainly worked for a while for the “family values” crowd in the 3rd Reich … and homosexuals were put in concentration camps.
I dig Digby.
OT – Angie – are you here? I noticed your comment last thread on the behavior of US tourists and an earlier comment on callaloo and coco bread … any chance you visit my beloved Treasure Beach? know Sala? etc?
dream event – FDL gathering/retreat at Jakes
“Volume pedal?â€
I always thought of it more as a reverb unit…
My thought was a wah-wah pedal, in honor of their endless whining victimhood…
OT again, but this is too funny in a disgusting kind of way.
ALBUQUERQUE Years before U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney accidentally shot a lawyer while quail hunting in Texas, Cheney himself was on the receiving end of an errant shotgun blast.
Carlsbad Mayor Bob Forrest said he didn’t know for certain if he or his twin brother, Dick Forrest, fired the shot during the hunting trip in the late 1990s. It accidentally pelted Cheney, who was then chief executive at Halliburton Co.
Great post Digby, I’m directing several people I know to this post and we’ll discuss it later over coffee talk.
What is your take on Stetson Kennedy’s breaking of the Klan code in the 40’s – 50’s? Is a feat like that possible today? Is it in fact being done on the web?
“Kinder, kirche, kuche†[children, church, kitchen] certainly worked for a while for the “family values†crowd in the 3rd Reich … and homosexuals were put in concentration camps.
Lovely piece of work there: straight from the LGF Handbook of Rational Debate!
OT-John at Americablog has a piece about this article: re a very disappointed republican, that got me to thinking……
http://conways.nationalreview……094549.asp
I just had a ’scathingly brilliant idea’ (thanks Haley Mills – The Trouble With Angels) What if instead of arguing at wing-nutty sites we visit and write similar “I’m a disheartened Republican” pieces? They seem so resistant to any cogent arguments that demoralizing them by speaking of grave disappointments in the party would get them to listen in a back door sort of way.
We could talk of the same things that infuriate us with this different point of view and slip in under their radar.
What do you think…worth a try?
dig?
It’s not a significant point, but I just love the quote,
To which I would add, “Well, DUUUHHHHHH!” I mean, come on; who, not being BORN in Alabama, would willingly choose to live there?
Rubber Soul:
Have to be crafty, they’re surely lurking here now.
Digby >”…Lee Atwater…”
shudder
I`d love to know more details about these linguistic “code” systems/substitution cyphers
maybe even a Wikipedia style code book…
“…It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins…” – Benjamin Franklin
who, not being BORN in Alabama, would willingly choose to live there?
So much for the 50 State Strategy!
John Casper – not sure where you are located but you might like the work of the Ella Baker Center if you do not know it … one of my favorite orgs, Van Jones is one of their leaders and they are mobilizing african american youth to address their community’s issues in wonderful and strong ways.
http://www.ellabakercenter.org/page.php?pageid=10
Nice reframing by E.J. Dionne (take that Fred!) however I don’t agree with his lionizing of Specter. Specter always talks tough and then caves.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01049.html
zennurse – think of it as a psyops project. If you read the article you will see how easy it would be to get our talking points across about the massive failures of this administration. I know its sneaky and I don’t like that but part of me want to fight fire with fire. I’m not talking about making things up – just phrasing them differently.
Thanks, Digby. Great post.
Talking about coded language reminded me of something….
Background: I grew up in SoCal, then lived in NoCal. Then I moved to the UK for a long while. Before living in the UK, I had really no idea even that certain surnames were associated with certain places of origin, and thereby might be judged “accordingly”. My friends were just my friends. What an eye-opener in the UK when it became clear that people were judged by their surnames, and lots else besides.
And then, I moved back to the US, to take a job in the South. Whooa. Culture shock. One of the secretaries would always say “your people”, when referring to the individuals who worked in my research lab. I never bit her head off, but geez… “my people”??? like I owned them or something??? This tiny little phrase probably wasn’t exactly code, but I found it totally offensive, and likely an embedded and subconsious expression of the worst of the South.
My point, and do I have one? I guess it’s this: in addition to the obvious “code”, there are phrases that people use when they aren’t even *trying* to speak in code, that reveal certain truths, and these are even harder to root out.
Sorry, this has turned into a bit of a ramble, please forgive. But that particular phrase “your people” has just made me angry for so long, and I’ve never expressed this before now.
Thanks for all of your great writing.
“I know you are but what am I”
If anyone wants to see this head-twister in action, just go read the comments left on Matt O’s post last night.
Armando,
“Like Digby, I have written often of Abraham Lincoln’s Cooper Union speech in 1860 – when Lincoln outlined his political strategy of braning the Confederates to be as the extremists. It is the political lesson our Party must learn. The DLC plan of chasing “values†voters is a fool’s errand.”
The love of my life calls the “Civil War” the “War of Northern Aggression”. she was appalled by what she saw as the “racist” Katrina response. She’s a Christian, attorney, former judge, tobacco farm owner, and descendant of plantation owners. Just sayin’, it’s a complicated world.
Thank you, Digby. This explains a great deal that I couldn’t understand about American society.
We Canadians are told all the time that we are basically just like Americans, but as Siun notes above, we have taken a different approach here to multi-culturalism — perhaps forced on us by the Quebecois, who would never tolerate the “melting pot” idea but rather have always insisted on maintaining their distinctiveness, thereby providing an example for other cultures to follow. It has not been easy to implement and maintain multi-culturalism, but we have had some extraordinary federal and provincial leaders over the years who have believed in it and helped the rest of us believe too. Not perfect yet — remember, it took us 20 years before we could even get a trial in the Air India disaster, and conditions on many of our Aboriginal reserves are still shameful. Still there is much progress — CBC TV news had a story last year about a Chinese immigrant who owns the largest Chinese restaurant in Vancouver — and every year, he celebrates Robbie Burns day, playing the bagpipes with his band (his nickname is “McWong”)
Thank you also for explaining the inexplicable hostility toward gay people — I couldn’t understand why some Americans are so incredibly viscious in their attitudes toward gay people, but your article provides some understanding.
“War of Northern Aggression†was a phrase I never heard of in the 50s or 60s – when first I heard it, I thought it was sarcasm: a mocking of Confederate idiocy. Now it seems to have seeped into polite company in the South without a trace of irony. Pity!
Siun 23
As a Torontonian I’ll represent us all and thank you for the compliment!
I was shocked a number of years ago to hear my sister in law (born in NZ, raised in England and Canada) speak of her experiences while living in California.
She spoke of one black guy she worked with who seemed lazy to her (she’s a real Type A type BTW).
Fair enough, I can’t judge how accurate her description of him was and we have all worked with jerks who didn’t pull their weight.
What floored me was she turned this one experience into defacto proof that blacks were lazier that whites in the workplace, deserved their place in society (a lower rung, of course) and were a drag on the country. I couldn’t believe that she could happily spout this nonsense and not realize how offensive it was on its face.
I used to really like her, but that cooled things for me. When I found out that she and her husband (also Canadian, though both are now obviously US citizens) were voting for Bush in 2004, I have been unable to take much interest in continuing the relationship.
I told my other sister in law, one of those regular Conservative (talking Canadian political party here) types who is now afraid of what their party is turning into, that the only reasons for voting Republican were Bigotry, Ignorance or Greed. And I stand by that.
Thanks, Digby. The linkage between “no taxes” and racism is dead-on and should be expanded upon; what a “brilliant” way for greed-crazed bigots to scare white people into cutting off their own noses to spite someone else’s face. I hope Atwater, for one, is roasting on a spit at Stagger Lee’s eternal cookout in hell. Yes, I know he apologized; no, I don’t care.
the KKK was founded as an openly terrorist organization and has undergone several transformations. In its current metamorphosis, homophobia is a central plank of belief along with traditional race-baiting. It is also obsessively anti-abortion nowadays too…
“Specter always talks tough and then caves.”
Anon 38
Yes, the Dionne article is good, as far as it goes, but he has too much faith in Specter. Didn’t Specter make similar noises about the NSA illegal spying without a warrant program initially, only to let it slide?
Another prong in this strategy is creationism. Creationism appeals very strongly to white-on-black racism.
“low taxes” appeals to innate greed of many people but it also is fueled by the myth of the “Black welfare queen in the pink Cadillac” promulgated by the Sainted Ronald Reagan. According to a poll, many voters assume that a quarter of taxes goes for “foreign aid” …
Rubber soul. Nothing wrong with your idea, but it’s nearly impossible to carry out. Wingnuts try the revers all the time on left wing sites, with little success.
OT: Jane or Digby, is this Late Nite FDL, or is there another post coming?
Thank you ! I check your site daily. I envy and admire the writing and intelligence of youself,Jane,Redd,Kos, and all the other progressive bloggers. And, I know the TRUTH WHEN I READ IT.But I have other talents! I vote! And am proud to be part of the great unwashed masses taking back America, $50 bucks at a time. Thanks again.
“War of Northern Aggression†was a phrase I never heard of in the 50s or 60s – when first I heard it, I thought it was sarcasm: a mocking of Confederate idiocy. Now it seems to have seeped into polite company in the South without a trace of irony. Pity!
Interesting. Is it one of those things, like the Confederate flag in the state flags, that is presented as old Southern heritage, but actually resurfaced in response to the civil rights movement?
*ilson46201,
“War of Northern Aggression†was a phrase I never heard of in the 50s or 60s – when first I heard it, I thought it was sarcasm: a mocking of Confederate idiocy. Now it seems to have seeped into polite company in the South without a trace of irony. Pity!”
You don’t get it, but that’s OK. I’m not sure I do either. It runs deep though.
Bionic and Cathie – experiencing canadian multiculturalism was a revelation for me. The celebration and honoring of heritage, tradition and language – the mutual celebration and honoring provided me with a model that I dream on. One day in Montreal, I spent the morning at Chinese Dragon Boat races at the Olympic park with Chinese community groups serving amazing arrays of food and a wonderful cross-section of Montreal out in the sun to cheer on the racers. We then hoped the metro downtown to an African music festival where again a wonderful cross-section of Montreal out in the sun danced the afternoon away to african melodies. That evening, I headed down to the pier in Old Montreal to watch the International Fireworks competition display from Germany with the whole city out eating ice cream and laughing together. After the last big boom, everyone took over the streets of Old Montreal to dance and drink and stroll …. chinese dragon dancers cheered by hiphop bboys next to francophone couples and latino families. After dancing with a wonderful mix of folks circling in those classic steps to a Peruvian pipe street crew playing the theme from Zorba, I stood on a corner in tears as I called my far away son and said “I just have to tell you I have just seen the future.” That day blesses me every day – and definitely helped to lead me to Hyde Park in Chicago where we celebrate our neighborhood’s diversity though we sure could use a bit more Montreal joie de vivre!
And saying you want a “color-blind society” is code for saying you want a society in which you don’t have to think or talk about black people. You can just forget about them and go on your way.
FDL & Digby… Talk about an embarrassment of riches!
Wow – such a great post! I feel so dumb that I never got that – until now – and now I know I’ll never not see the “code” in everything they say and do.
It also got me interested in reading a little bit about Lee Atwater. I found it interesting that at the end of his life he regretted all the evil he had done and tried to make peace with those he had wronged.
I read this from Tom Turnipseed:
Faced with the ultimate question of life, Lee also publicly proclaimed his Christianity and sought reconciliation with his enemies.
He said in his letter to me that “my illness has taught me something about the nature of humanity, love, brotherhood and relationships that I never understood, and probably never would have. So, from that standpoint, there is some truth and good in everything.”
Touched by the sincerity of his letter of apology and subsequent phone conversations, I attended Lee Atwater’s funeral in Columbia, S.C. Sitting across the church from me was a young Republican political consultant whom I recognized. I had recently seen him on CNN boasting about how Republicans were going to drive up the negatives on all the Democrats who voted “against America” in opposing Bush’s force resolution and beat them in 1992. How sad.
http://www.turnipseed.net/atwaterart.htm
Marky #51- please go read the article I highlighted in #31 so you have an idea what I mean. Subtlety would be needed to do it right. There are a lot of legitimate Republicans that are dismayed at this point – I’m just trying to find a way to capitalize on that.
And to add, most rightwing whining over multiculturalism is also a code — and a convenient conflation of two favorite targets, those damn librul professors and the minorities that they serve (40 years ago, as the wife of a retired professor at a major southern university remembered recently, it was, quite explicitly, those “n*gger-lovin commie professors”).
And to add, re: the “I know you are but what am I” racist rhetoric — the next time a wingnut accuses anyone criticizing neo-cons of anti-semitism, the reply should be that 76-78% of American Jews voted for Kerry, and therefore anyone criticizing Kerry (or Democrats, etc.) must be an anti-semite.
siun way up at #23–
You want real Canuckistani multiculturalism (or at least the Left Coast variety) – check this out.
The latent racism in opposing greater social provision isn’t restricted to the US.
I’ve read OECD and IMF studies using Malaysia, and others, that show that the popularity of social provision in general, and transfer payments in particular, are inversely proportional to the diversity of the country.
So long as whomever the money goes to Doesn’t Look Like Me, programs that move money around are relatively unpopular.
In homogeneous countries, such programs garner wider support because the putative recipients are likely to Look Just Like Me.
Watch out for Willie Horton.
Run for your life!
Anon #38: Agreed completely regarding Snarlin’ Arlen.
Arlen Specter Makes Me Yawn
(Twice the apologies for the somewhat OT blogwhore.)
Mimikatz 57 — absolutely.
RossK a 62
wow! what a beautiful post!
I hope that all Late Night FDLers take a moment to read it as a counterpoint to all the muck we’ve been exposing the past week
Thank you!
(don’t I know you from old Billmon days?)
“What about the bogus reporting of a gunshot when the helicopters were trying to rescue Katrina victims?†(#21)
Interesting irony there. It later turned out that there were gunshots. But they came from a group stranded on the rooftop who fired shots out of desperation in order to attract the attention of helicopters that kept passing them by.
The racist assumption underpins the belief that black people could be so stupid as to try to destroy the very means for their own rescue.
Toles says it all re: the immigration rallies
ps – MarkfromIreland has some important info on the Iraqi elections and US reaction – good background to the Condi temper tantrum over why they won’t just ditch the elected guy and pick W’s friend.
http://gorillasguides.blogspot.com/
Well said.
And, as a scientist, my view is that one of the great sins of Bushco. has been to ignore or pervert scientific findings. This is obvious re: issues like global warming. But Bushco. has done damage, also, in encouraging scientific ignorance generally as an okay thing in our country. I point this out bec. it is clear to biologists who have a brain to think with that gender identity and gender preference arrive at birth, most of the time. (I qualify that by “most of the time” because I don’t mean to discount traumatic experiences later on that might change the trajectory, but I don’t have a good perspective on that.) To be brief, I have been appalled by the views of the religious right-wingers in the South who say things like “homosexuals can be *saved* by prayer” etc. etc. I don’t know if the religious right-wingers could actually be *saved* from this ignorant perspective by more knowledge of science, but at least they might have a small chance of salvation…
Besides the “it’s racist to call me a racist” thing, they’ve got the good ol’ “we are victims of black victimhood” thing going too.
The whole narratology of being a victim nowadays is really interesting, it seems …. lots of the reality shows are all over it, as is the compulsion about celeb scandals, and 9/11. The “young white girl missing” shit, too. And then Cindy Sheehan turning it against them.
Weird.
I especially appreciate that Jesse Helms’s role in spreading oppression and hate has been brought to the fore by tonight’s poster. Thank you for not forgetting him.
“I know you are, but what am I?” was most recently displayed by Tom Delay when he said that “Of course Cynthia McKinney is a racist, she talks about racism all the time.”
Oh the humanity.
Is it one of those things, like the Confederate flag in the state flags, that is presented as old Southern heritage, but actually resurfaced in response to the civil rights movement?
That’s definitely a large part of it, I think, but it also has a relationship to the influx of Northern population and money post-1970 or so …. I’ve heard “carpetbaggers” used quite a bit unironically.
I’m from Charleston originally, where people use “The Late Unpleasantness with the Yankees” instead of “The War of Northern Aggression.”
Watching Jesse Jackson’s appearance on the Colbert Report, the good reverend made a comment that stuck with me. He said that once Americans started to realize that it was about class as opposed to race, progress would be made in America.It was late and I didn’t get it verbatim, but it stuck.
Once the “latent racists” get the cobwebs out of their eyes and understand that the GOP’s economic policies and war mongering are the true evil they are facing, maybe then we could start to heal old wounds.
As for the “manifest racists”, time is not on their side. The Great Melting Pot marches on, Tiger Woods, Wu Tang Clan, and myself-a hodgepodge of German, Irish, and two tribes of Native Americans, French, and English (I am magnetically attracted to beer, wine, whiskey, donuts, and beef jerky.) Eventually by default, race can no longer be an issue.
Besides, diversity as opposed to the “old puritan work ethic” is what I believe made this country great.
From a religious standpoint, I think the blueblood uber rich of the east coast trying to control the country are too promiscious. They screw all U.S. citizens making less than $200,000 a year, in the behind, indiscriminately!
VG-
To be brief, I have been appalled by the views of the religious right-wingers in the South who say things like “homosexuals can be *saved* by prayer†etc. etc.
I live in Georgia. It can get pretty harsh here.
The thing those people just seem incapable of grasping is this:
Homosexuality is an orientation.
Evangelical christianity is a lifestyle choice.
Which is precisley what I find so irritating when they get all shrill about how they don’t want homosexuals “flaunting their lifestyle choices” in their faces. Dude, I just want to go to work and do my laundry and maybe eventually meet somebody and fall in love. Who is forcing their lifestyle on whom here?
It’s just another example of right-wing reverse thinking. “Liberals are racists!”, “Right wing radio is responsible!”, “Cutting millionaire’s taxes is good for the poor!”, “War is peace! Down is up! IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!”
siun–
yup whiskey bar – sure do.
My girls are doing fine. In fact have a little thing about them (sort of) on the homepage right now.
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whew– just swam to the surface from a beating on Matt O’s last nite’s posting by someone who is not droll *g* and responded and the comments are now closed after he slapped me silly. I was responding to him, in a thoughtful post and got kicked out. I guess it is good, but was I trexed??? I feel like Nemo………..
That’s definitely a large part of it, I think, but it also has a relationship to the influx of Northern population and money post-1970 or so …. I’ve heard “carpetbaggers†used quite a bit unironically.
I’m from Charleston originally, where people use “The Late Unpleasantness with the Yankees†instead of “The War of Northern Aggression.â€
Yeah, a friend of mine served as a page in the Virginia Legislature in the late 70’s (we all lived in Northern VA), and was struck by the fact that when they played “Dixie,” everyone rose to their feet. Don’t know if that’s still the case…
and while I’m thread hoggin’…..if Ms. Hamsher was able to convince ol’ Billmon to come of out his funkitude and do a little late night FDLin’…well that would just about close the circle as far as I’m concerned.
Very interesting, especially the part about the homophobia. I’ve noticed that among people I know to be racists and wondered why it was so…there.
Does it appear to anyone else that more openly hateful speech is happening (toward “the other,” whoever isn’t the person speaking) since 9/11? It seems more pronounced now to me.
A lucid read by Digby.
The ‘I know you are but what am I’ reflex is very strong. I was aware of it before this series began at FDL, as I have heard the ‘You become what you despise’ defense against open discussion on numerous occasions.
I think this begs the question, ‘how do you invite open discussion?’ For one, it might be useful to generate a ‘code’ that allows the topics of racism and bigotry to be discussed without setting off the ‘I’m now a target of accusation’ tripwire in people. Talking about matters with inclusive terms such as ‘fairness’ and ‘equality’ perhaps are more likely to enable a person to see a different perspective without having the immediately uncomfortable experience of being singled out. Even people with a racist or bigoted bias can relate to conversations about principles of fairness and equality because undoubtedly it relates to their own experience in whatever limited social realm they inhabit.
After all, the goals of racism and bigotry are not to generate more racial epithets for shits and giggles, but to create an environment of unequal opportunity and benefit.
And I interrupt for one final point. I am a 34 year old father of four daughters. The oldest is 16, youngest is two. The 16 year old has dated a boy who is black off and on since she was 12.(By the way, the daughters all go on the “pill” at the age of 14, regardless…law 12 in the book of Nate). One day a neighbor made a smartass comment to me about the oldest dating a black guy, so I said,” In this day and age of child abduction, domestic violence, frat boys date raping, binge drinking, METH!, and everything on Mtv denoting women as ho’s and bitches, I think you had be more worried about your daughter’s boyfriends grades, personality, level of responsibilty, and relationship with his parents. It’s a little more important than skin color.”
Which I thought was good, when I was 25 years old the neighbor would have been looking for his teeth!
Valleygirl–
I am a fellow science geek and spent time plying my trade in the Bay Area for a big chunk of the ’90’s.
When I left during those halcyon days to head back to Canuckistan my colleagues, almost to a person, said I was nuts.
And, if truth be told I kind of agreed with them because back things were going so well on a whole lotta levels (including Varmus at the NIH and all that).
But now?
Well, I’ve got friends burnin’ up the phones, folks who are bigshots in the field who want out as soon as possible.
It has all gone so wrong.
(And what used to be a braindrain for Canada has literally reversed itself).
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TRex, thanks for responding to my comments. I was worried that they hadn’t been heard. And, oh yes, I know about Georgia, albeit from a more limited perspective than yours.
Your observations about orientation vs. lifestyle choice are so on the mark, and written in memorable words. Exactly- as you say- “Who is forcing their lifestyle on whom here?”
The right-wingers of pseudoreligious persuasion have had their bigotry made good aka okay aka the norm by the bush environment and that is so very distressing. (Sorry not to close with something of memorable quality than “distressing” but I don’t want to use the really nasty words I know.)
xxoo VG
Angie – I left you a note somewhere along the way – was just asking if given you comment on tourists and an earlier mention of callaloo and coco bread whether you were also a ja.com person or a Treasure Beach person? Sala friend? etc? just guessin’ here
RossK – off to read about your girls … and second the request for a Billmon guest appearance tho I’m a touch miffed with his recurring funks … if you feel lonely, there’s still a small gang of us at Le Speakeasy and it’s open for use anytime you want to post a garden pic or start a thread … url in my homepage
And Margot – yes! I certainly saw a shift in coworkers at my old co in NH who were quite liberal reasonable sorts and suddenly morphed into rather rabid racists seemingly overnight … on 9/12 they had pics with bullseyes of Bin Laden, an american flag on the door (which I got in trouble for refusing to take down when I left last each night) and circulated atrocious email racist spews about arabs. Scarey to watch that shift and realize how close to the surface those attitudes must have been all along.
They are making some progress with this new blanket designation of “illegals,”
Yeah, I showed up too late to post about this in the last thread, but I was struck by our sinkhole troll’s obsession with “these people have broken the law, so they are criminals!” It fits in well with the general “tough on crime” attitude that anyone convicted of a crime should be branded a criminal and suffer for the rest of their life (except for things like white-collar crime and hiring illegal aliens, that aren’t “real” crime.)
Because the rational answer to that point of view is that they may have broken the law, and there should be consequences for that, but it does not make them subhumans with no rights.
(And on a proper 1:30am tangent, that, BTW, is why it isn’t hypocritical to say that Scooter Libby should have the book thrown at him but undocumented workers should be able to become citizens — unlike the law-and-order conservatives, I’m not saying Libby should have the book thrown at him just because he broke the law and that’s absolute, I’m saying it because what he did was extremely damaging, with no public interest to balance it. I mean, geez, we have different laws and punishments for different things; where do these wingnuts get off saying “these people are criminals” as if no further argument is necessary?)
Margot – Does it appear to anyone else that more openly hateful speech is happening (toward “the other,†whoever isn’t the person speaking) since 9/11?
Yes.
As somebody, somewhere, was saying lately — might have been Amanda at Pandagon — the politically correct trope has been helpful here too in bringing some rascists out from under their rocks. “I know this isn’t politically correct but” seems a very useful, or at least very frequent, rhetorical move for a lot of people ….
Great post! Now that the recent history of covert racism has been so brilliantly clarified, I would like to learn more about how this deep fear and hatred against african-americans got started. After all, such emotions are not universal. For example, I just returned from Costa Rica, where people experience the U.S. preoccupation with skin color as both peculiar and distasteful.
Obviously the short answer to my question about origins is “slavery,” but at the present moment — if only because the political situation has become so dire — we need more specific understanding to work toward ending such deep, bottled-up racism.
RossK # 62
Nice, thanks.
Don’t know if tis is old news or not but this is about shooting up border crossers from ThinkProgress
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-crossers/
The racist RedStaters, whatever state they actually are in, with their bleating about Jesus are the fools of Satan. For truly they have forgotten that Jesus said: “Whatever you do the least of yourselves, you do to me.” The ReThugs are about to reap a mighty harvest this election. The mask has slipped and the face of evil can now be seen.
And the citizenry is reacting with one thought only in mind:
“Kill it.”
Angie-
Here, have some tea. And a bit of chocolate. It helps when you’ve been dealing with Dementors.
I saw part of this today put out by BBC, but found a more complete compilation. So check out what passes for political debate in Italy’s latest campaign. Someone please tell me this is a joke.
In reply to:
Opposition leader Romano Prodi on Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi in a face-to-face TV debate on 3 April:
“The prime minister clings to data in the way a drunk clings to lamp-posts – not for illumination, but to keep him standing up.”
Berlusconi’s response to Prodi during the same debate:
“Prodi is like a useful dolt – he lends his cheery parish priest face to the pissant left, which is 70% made up of former communists.”
Prodi on Berlusconi, who is said to be Italy’s richest man, and his party Forza Italia:
“Forza Italia’s Hueys, Leweys and Deweys defending Uncle Scrooge are pathetic.”
Berlusconi on Piero Fassino, leader of the main opposition party Democrats of the Left:
“Fassino is very sought after by the lobby of funeral directors, they want him as their main promoter. He’ll keep them in business.”
Berlusconi on left-wing voters at a conference of retailers on 4 April:
“I trust the intelligence of the Italian people too much to think that there are so many stupid pricks around who would vote against their own best interests.”
Neo-Fascist leader Alessandra Mussolini addressing the trans-gender communist candidate Vladimir Luxuria during a TV debate:
“Better to be a Fascist than a fag.”
Italian Communist leader Oliviero Diliberto on the ruling coalition:
“We must get rid of these no good miscreants in government.”
Defence Minister Antonio Martino on the opposition:
“We have the duty to prevent Italy ending up in the hands of this gang of devil-children.”
Roberto Calderoli, leading member of the right-wing Northern League, on left-wing plans to allow same-sex unions:
Enough of these absurd demands by manhumpers for privileges.
RossK #86- Ahh… you do get it, obviously, as to what I was saying about “science” in the US. At the national level, Bush’s science policies are a disaster. On a personal level, I have tried to suck it up, and make the best of it, although my scientific career has certainly suffered. Thankfully, 1) I have tenure and 2) have always been ambivalent about being a scientist, so I can comfort myself with my many other interests. What is not so comforting, of course, is Bush’s ability to destroy everything good in this country.
Thanks siun – will get over to speakeasy (I know you all will get me hooked – which is what I’m worried about)
Thanks Griffon hadn’t seen that one.
Gotta go – grant panel in the morning……
Several posts >…“The War of Northern Aggression. ”
The War of Southern Delusion
“Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable” – attributed to John F. Kennedy
VG–
It will turn around again. Folks like FDL’ers everywhere will make sure of it.
btw– I really knew you all were in deep do-do when they axed Liz Blackburn from that ‘Blue Ribbon’ panel on stem cells or some such thing.
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Muzzy –
Admittedly some of it’s pretty horrible, but other parts aren’t so bad:
“Forza Italia’s Hueys, Leweys and Deweys defending Uncle Scrooge are pathetic.â€
“We have the duty to prevent Italy ending up in the hands of this gang of devil-children.â€
RossK, oh yes, I remember that about Blackburn being kicked off. But I have to say that I knew we were in deep do-do long before. I’m not sure that “it” will turn around. It depends on which “it” you mean. Maybe politics in general will turn around. Scientific research? Maybe, but not so quickly. On that account, the “base” has been deeply damaged. Especially re: stem cell research. The Korean guy who, as it turned out, faked his results? Set back the credibility of the field in a major way. Would never have happened had US scientists been able to conduct their own research on stem cells. They would have have been onto him big time.
fantastic post. breathtaking.
the fdl neighborhood gets deeper & richer all the time. feels to me like a virtual version of the one over the border that siun describes! and 85 Wyo Nate, as a parent too, am real curious about your other “laws!”
joe wilson was on “countdown” tonight. he wasn’t talking about racism but his term for the republican sound system was: echo chamber. a good addition to our lexicon.
The way they get all hissy about, “I’m not a racist because Islam is not a race”, had me wondering about the term “Cultural Racism”. From the bit I read about it here and here, it seems a pretty handy device to demonstrate the racism of even the most virulently “non-racist” racist. Anyone know anything about this?
I really think this is important, and I am hoping that someone can see rather or not it’s true? Please somebody tell me what’s wrong with this timeline? Bushco is currently saying they sent Scooter to slap Joe Wilson, using parts of the NIE and Judith Miller. Bush basically copped to that today… Fine then time travel with me to last year. Miller testified that when she spoke with Scooter, in the very same meeting they spoke NOT of NIE estimates but of Valarie Flame! From one direction of the story its flame so says Miller six months ago. Scooter has testified that Cheney sent him to Miller, with the permission of the President. So Now from the very same meeting we have two versions of what was to be discussed with Miller. From Scooter it was the NIE. (Current story) Six months ago Miller cried Flame…. Two stories for the same meeting…… Both statements are probably true, and in a wierd way Bush himself said so today
Digby,
Bless you for your incisive essays. One of five places I go every day is your blog. Though I’ve never commented there, I’ll say here “Thanks!!”
This week’s late night series is one of the best in the history of this site. I haven’t had ANY time to keep up with this or any other blog – except http://playgoer.blogspot.com/ as this busy week gets going, but…….
I’d heard about that 1980 Lee Atwater quote, but never actually had seen it until tonight. Worth the price of admission itself.
Last rehearsal of my band tonight before our spring concert series. A preponderence of the 60 members are fundamentalist Christians. During the break, I noticed that their disenchantment is growing geometrically this spring. Not for all the same reasons we have, but they’re using the same phrases, like “These people have been in control for twelve years, why aren’t they willing to do something.”
The things these folks want the GOP to do are, well you know. But They are in agreement with me – finally – that the GOP is screwing up this war (which they wanted, not me!!!) – and messing up our military. Three dads and two band members are serving, and they’re less happy with what’s happening to the Army every month I talk to them. They used to be so proud of Bush. Now, they’re sullen.
We’re playing the “Peer Gynt” Suite and “Wedding Day at Troldhaugen” by Grieg, and the Alla Marcia from the “Karelia” Suite and “Finlandia” by Sibelius.
Don’t worry, we’ve never done Nordic before. Last semester, we did NOLA and Dixieland and Satchmo and raised over a thousand bucks for community bands in New Orleans.
It’s funny but since I was brought up a Unitarian I didn’t get some of the codes that were prevalent in my town.
At the time, it was more about religion than skin colour. In Canada we have the public school system and the separate school system. The separate school is religion based and outside of Quebec, Roman Catholic, so most of the Catholic kids weren’t in public schools, but virtually everyone else was.
I went, as part of my Unitarian religious education, to various houses of worship, but never realized that there were “Jewish” names or frankly other religiously identifying names. And as a child of immigrants I simply assumed that plenty of people came from somewhere else too and we were all somehow Canadian despite that. It seemed to me that everyone went somewhere on Sunday and some people just went on another day of the week. Mind you, no one in my junior schools ever went to the Fellowship like us.
I can remember when my friend in Grade 9 talked about someone behaving like a “typical North London (that’s Ontario, not England) Jew” I had no idea of what she meant, nor that the person she was talking about was actually Jewish. It had never occurred to me. I had simply assumed her family had come, at some time in the past, from Germany.
I realize now what my friend was trying to express and personally prefer to assign traits to a person rather than a group, but deep down inside I do realize that I too can catagorize people as a part of their group.
The trouble is, because I grew up with so many people fleeing their own religious backgrounds for the openess of the Unitarian fellowship that I went to, I think they’re all Unitarians.
But I do appreciate that we ignore the codespeak at our peril. As I grew older it amazed me when I realized just how much of it goes on. You can be totally oblivious to a whole other conversation that is going on right in front of your face.
People were allowed to grow complacent in the 70s, 80s and 90s. “All” the battles for equality and openess had been won. I’m not saying that was true, only that the sense was, if not already righted, past wrongs were well on the way to being corrected with programs like affirmative action etc. And though I never 100% believed it myself, women would never lose the gains they’d made. The government was taking care of it.
It was okay to sleep because we lived in modern times, the old ways were finished.
Seeing now how hard the right has been working to control things I now wonder whether this too might have been part of the plan. The sleep part I mean.
I know I am one of many who has said that I didn’t pay much attention to politics until something hit me about just how wrong things really were.
My own kids have been brought up basically without religion. One son spent a year going to Sunday school with a friend but he lost interest. My daughter was studying Art History this year and I was shocked at how little she knew of biblical references. It’s silly on my part, really. While I had Bible stories in school everyday when I was growing up she hadn’t.
The great thing is we were able to google the info we needed to explain things. This is, I hope, similar to what is going on right now with blogs. I recall the Dred Scott reference made by Bush in the debates. From a huh? moment, I quickly found out that it was calculated codespeak to his base.
With articles like this and others like David’s from the other night, we are getting that education. Thanks to you all for it.
TPM Muckraker has what I think is a late update on the phone-jamming story.
Siun, I remember, it was kind of like that here too. Every doctor who was foreign-born had some kind of vandalism at their offices or got hateful phone calls, except the one doc who was Muslim. The others had darker skin or were newer, or something.
rcauthen, I hadn’t noticed that phrase in use but I will pay attention when I next hear it.
We need a glossary!
Bionic, late here, and I am saying good nite all, but I wanted to let you know that I read your comment with great interest. Were it earlier in the eve, I would chime in with more supporting details from my own experience. Best, VG
Always thought it odd that the Pres. ended a speech with ” …and live well … ” and immediately after it , old Bunsen Honeydew Schneider came out and said ” that’s code for the Xstian right base who use the term for ….” and for what I forgot , as I was overwhelmed at the idea that the Leader of the Free world calls it out in Hutu-power-speak like ” cut the tall trees”.It’s a scary sort of ” They Live ” and the hidden meanings aimed at a base and a oddly secretive core support group So Frightening to Mr. & or Mrs. USA he has to blink the message to them and make high-pitched whirring noises outside normal folks range of hearing like a giant Cicada folded up inside a Fake-Texan skin .
Did Jimmy Carter ever refer to the “sacred parchment of the stone cutters….” before a cabinet official whispered ” sssssssshudduuuuup…. ” ? Did Lyndon have a system of jowl wiggles to tell the ‘right people’ it was time to move on JFK? Is there a precedent for coded language from the podium?
The way they get all hissy about, “I’m not a racist because Islam is not a raceâ€, had me wondering about the term “Cultural Racismâ€. From the bit I read about it here and here, it seems a pretty handy device to demonstrate the racism of even the most virulently “non-racist†racist. Anyone know anything about this?
I would say the proper term is “bigotry.” Though a lot of the anti-Muslim bigotry is as much racism as religious, either conflating Arabs with Muslims or more generally those people who “don’t look like us,” if they try to deny a racist aspect, you can always say “fine, then you’re just a bigot.”
Margot … nodding, it was very surreal – in fact shortly afterwards my daughter who is Korean was called a “towelhead” several times in school hallways. I will not repeat in polite company her response – then again, she said much the same to school guidance counselors who assumed she was an exchange student and asked how she learned such good english.
On all racism issues, I highly recommend viewing some of the Def Poetry dvds … I have such hope for the emerging hiphop generation and their insight and strength. The first season dvd is particularly wonderful.
and with that, sweet dreams all!
Impeccable.
Paul Dirks #6 says: “You have just clarified why I identify myself as a liberal as opposed to a libertarian.”
Although I don’t self-describe as “liberal,” I’m more comfortable with that label than “libertarian” (and I’m certainly not “conservative”). I’ve never understood why until now. It suddenly makes sense.
By the way, I have an effective rhetorical riposte for “I know you are but what am I” responses.
I confess.
Me: “You’re a bigot.”
Them: “You must be a bigot to think that.”
Me: “I may indeed be a bigot, but we were talking about you.”
Yeah Fitz!!!
MsAnnaNOLA,
Are you just waking up? Did you have a nice “FitzDream” or something? :D
OT but verrry interesting:
Booman has a post up that asks if Judith Miller was a CIA Asset?
http://www2.boomantribune.com/…..231352/047
Booman ends with:
“My strong suspicion is that Judith Miller has been an intelligence asset for a long time. Perhaps she was recruited back during her time at the Woodrow Wilson school.”
This certainly brings to mind the question about Judy and her ability to view classified documents, etc.
OT but verrry interesting:
Booman has a post up that asks if Judith Miller was a CIA Asset?
http://www2.boomantribune.com/…..231352/047
Booman ends with:
“My strong suspicion is that Judith Miller has been an intelligence asset for a long time. Perhaps she was recruited back during her time at the Woodrow Wilson school.”
This certainly brings to mind the question about Judy and her ability to view classified documents, etc.
sorry about the double post… my computer appears to have hiccupp’ed.
All of this just adds to the ever clearer notion that Republicans are Republicans due to mental imbalance/moral failing. We don’t have a “difference of opinion” with them, we live a different reality, one that is vastly more positive and responsible on all levels.
RE: #121 “imbalance/moral failing”
I see it in a slightly different way. Spent a lot of time wondering why my sister and I see things in polar-opposites, politically. Have decided that it comes down to Emotional I.Q. – the more you have, the less likely you’re going to register Republican!
Take the test here! http://www.helpself.com/iq-test.htm
Anyone who thinks that this sort of coded racism is exclusively Southern needs to spend time around Bostoners, particularly Irish-American and Italian-American ones.
Boston has a grand old history of ethnic prejudice and activism in which the Cabots and Lodges figured prominently; and a local historian of local Abolition figures pointed out the bitter fact that many wanted slavery ended so that they could send them all back to Africa, and have a white America the way God intended it.
It didn’t end after the busing riots were no longer on television, and it isn’t limited to black Americans, either: Rush has had a strong audience among both white and blue collar whites in the Greater Boston area for decades now, along with the other local Clear Channel hatemongers; and stoking up fear, scorn, and resentment of Latinos has been a big part of that success.
Great post Digby,
I do have hope that the receding language codes will eventually lead to a more tolerant society. I am not foolish enough to think I can change people’s attitudes, but I can work to supress their overtly racist/sexist language. And if they are not spewing that stuff publically, that in itself is a great victory for the enlightenment.
It is just that we must now educate and confront these second — and third — level codes. Domenech was a racist because he purposefully used an unexamined smear “communist” against Mrs. King. There is really no excuse for it and the Restaters just about broke their own backs trying to contort out of it.
Good Morning.
Looks like nobody’s up.
I’ll leave this Editorial from E&P about the one from Sunday in the WaPo.
NLIE
He’s not impressed.
I know it shouldn’t but it still amazes me that someone could hold up “the antebellum South” as a model for society with a straight face. It may have been (although it probably wasn’t) “founded on the traditional family of husband, wife, and children”, but it was also founded on the tradition of raping slaves. Should that be enshrined in the constitution?
“(thanks to a liberal judge and the King family they have bought time preventing their release under FOIA… hmm, you think they have something to hide?). In the mean time, the country remains held hostage to the unbalanced and intellectually dishonest legacy of this man and his family. Pardon me if I choose not to worship at their phony altar”.
Kinda like Cheney going all the way to the SCOTUS to get the records sealed on his energy task force.Wonder how that writer at Redstate feels about that now that He is paying 3.00 for a gallon of gas?
What a great post. Thanks Digby!
Swift, smart, straight-shooting, right on target.
As always.
Thanks, Digby!
digby is the best. why isn’t he writing for the nyt or wapo again?
totally OT, but WTF??? you won’t believe this.
if you have military family members, make sure they know about his. the captian in the story is now completely vulnerable to attack. not just from terrorists while she’s on the job either.
siun @#56- what a lovely post. I’ve begun to think of Canada as a possible relocation destination recently, but I’m uncertain. I spent a school year (and a little more) in England, and it took a long time to get used to cold,wet and generally gloomy weather. I truly hate being cold. I’m beginning to think about getting a bicycle, fixing it up, and selling ice cream on a beach somewhere.
The “black welfare queen in a pink Cadillac” is not entirely urban myth. During a short stint at an Indianpolis apartment complex, I was sitting by the pool one day, and a lady pulled up in a shiny new Lincoln Navigator, walked into the pool area, wearing her mink coat, and asked her daughter, sitting a few seats away from me, whether she had any extra food stamps.This is not myth – I was there. Are there abuses of the system? Of course there are, and they should be addressed. A mere roll-back of all benefits though is a lazy dishonest way to go about it. Kind of like taking away all of the children’s milk because Billy’s blowing bubbles in his.
Gaming the system is a time-honored American tradition. Get extra food-stamps, and you’re a cheating lazy drag on society. If you’re a white Republican – you ‘found a loophole’. One is criminal, the other congratulated.
Chicago Dyke:
I posted a Booman article above that asked if Judy Miller was a CIA asset? Have you seen it and what did you think of it? Certainly adds a new wrinkle…
The WTF you posted has me totally pissed off. This is how they support our troops???
I loves me some Digby.
Someone upstairs mentioned Billmon. Here’s a hearty second!
Jane, perhaps you could coax him up from the basement to post over here. The man’s a genius.
Love it or leave it or stay for the over theres to come back over here for a big brawl. The nitpicking increasingly becomes another diversion, like immigration..I feel like a frayed knot.
jayt: many folk seen egregiously misusing Food Stamps had bought them. They were quite available: 2 for 1. A cash dollar would get you $2 worth of Food Stamps. Legitimate recipients were often cash-poor to buy disposable diapers or other sundries (yes, cigarettes and beer too). In my poorer days myself I admit to stretching food dollars by buying neighbors’ surplus Food Stamps. Nowadays food assistance is handled by debit-card systems: paper Food Stamps were phased out finally several years ago.
Digby shows me once again, clearly, the more I learn, the more I learn, the more I need to learn.
Remember the WHIG group? Now we have the Iran-Syria Operations Group (ISOG). Led by Liz Cheney.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..008597.php
Great post Digby, I just wanted to add some detail to this:
“This convenient conflation of ‘traditional’ southern culture and family, of course, ignores the fact that slave families were ruthlessly broken up.”
During the ante-bellum period, Southerners didn’t just break up slave families, they created legislation to make their existence legal existence null and void. In virtually all the slave states (in Louisiana, they had the attributes of real estate), slaves had the attributes of personal property so while two slaves might marry, it was a meaningless union.
As for children, according to a wonderfully informative book called “The Peculiar Institution,” “The offspring of slave women were fequently devised before they were born. in South Carolina, in 1830, Mary Kincaid gave a slave woman named Sillar to a granchild, and Sillar’s two children to another grandchild. If Sillar should have a third child, it was to go to still another grandchild. If not, ‘I will that her two children now living be sold at twelve years of age….’”
On the topic of breaking apart slave families the North Carolina Supreme Court ruled on the execution of a will that would break apart family members, “It maybe be ‘harsh,’…..yet, ‘it must be done…’” Wow–great family values there, ehh?
I always recommend that people trying to understand racism in this country read some scholarly texts on the subject of slavery. Part of the problem is that I think we as a country deliberate miseducate our children on the history of slavery. It’s a HUGE part of our history (how many people realize that slaves often worked not just on plantations, but in factories and are in large part responsible for the back-breaking work involved in the push west in the South) and how the subject is covered in school is nothing short of a joke.
jayt — What did the daughter answer?
*ilson46201 says:
Thanks *ilson – din’t know that – good example of fixing, as opposed to trashing.
I’m not in Indy anymore, but I bet we’ve seen each other at some point in the City-County Bldg. Hint: I was the good-looking guy wearing a tie….lol
immanentize:
Yeah, she had some in her purse….
Great info, Digby. Excellent as always. I was just talking to my mother about New Orleans and Katrina last week, and both of us are still appalled at the way they forced parents to be seperated from their children. Most Neocons I know just don’t understand when I talk about that being a little too close to the slavery days when they split families apart with no regard for the family for me to be comfortable with.
Again, excellent and will be forwarding the link to this one to everyone I know:)
Best thing about Digby is the underlying passion. It’s the stuff that made Thomas Paine so powerful and lasting.
Josh, Kevin, Matt: pay attention. Your writing takes wing only when it comes from you heart and not just your intellect.
Kinda like Cheney going all the way to the SCOTUS to get the records sealed on his energy task force.Wonder how that writer at Redstate feels about that now that He is paying 3.00 for a gallon of gas?
Or how one of Bush’s first actions on taking office was to reverse open-government regulations that would have made records of his father’s administration available to the public within a couple of years. I still wonder if he was just covering up his appointees’ Iran-Contra connections, or something worse.
Unsurprisingly brilliant Mr. Digby!
I always recommend that people trying to understand racism in this country read some scholarly texts on the subject of slavery. Part of the problem is that I think we as a country deliberate miseducate our children on the history of slavery.
My wife worked on a dig back in the 90s at Stratford Hall Plantation, the Lee family home and birthplace of Robert E. Lee. At the time, the tours there did not refer to slaves, they called them “servants.” (They appear to have improved since then, at least on the Web; I wouldn’t be surprised if it took a generation of staff dying off to make it happen.)
Digby: *STANDING OVATION*
Immanentize,
I read that back in the old days, civil rights workers, including MLK, were commie-baited. That is another appaling aspect regarding redstate-ish attacks on Mrs. King. I assume RedDawnish types got indifferent grades in history, since they seem so intellectually indifferent. So where are they picking up all this? Their “mentors” I suppose.
Sure to be EPU’ed at any moment this late in the morning.
Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed Digby, and the commenters.
I suggest William Arkin this morning re. Iran:
http://blogs.washingtonpost.co……html#more
What a wonderful surprise. Digby!
I am descended from the old ‘gentile’ south. While I never remember anyone saying anything overtly racist in my family, the subtle signs were everywhere.
I was very young when I heard this – under 8 anyway (from my grandmothers): There were “good” slave owners who really loved and took good care of “their” slaves and “bad” slave owners who didn’t. Even as a child I wondered, if they loved them so much, why didn’t they just set them free? I won’t go into all the rationalization, but suffice it to say, 3 generatations after the civil war, my grandparents were still resentful that they had been so cruely stripped of their “birthright.” Thankfully, I was raised in New England (where Lincoln was a BIG hero)- and had the opportunity to be exposed to a much more conscious and progressive (radical!) mindset outside the family. I was also fortunate to have a high school English teacher who seemed to always have us reading something from the Transcendentalists.
And I am so relieved to hear someone else say what I have suspected for years – that the entire premise behind “lowering” taxes was to create an economic apartheid. And that racism is the reason why so many poor and working class white americans are so adamantly opposed to taxes. They would rather see their own children go hungry and uneducated than see a n*gg*r get a dime of taxpayer money. Which is also why affirmative actions is such a hot button issue.
Another dose of clarity and insight from Digby. Thanks for you and all those who are dragging this hatred out into the light.
@ Redshift: Oh yeah, the South is very touchy about the topic of slavery. As bad as education on the topic is in the North, I can’t image what a disaster–literally a whitewash–it is in the South.
new thread
Bionic –
In high school we had a visiting (female) student from South Africa. (She was only visiting for a few days rather than for a semester or the year. And it was 1985 and the particular class was Third-World Studies.)
At any rate, we discussed apartheid and she defendeded the policy by saying that “blacks in SA were not like blacks here [in the US].” IIRC, she actually said that they were “lazy” and “needed to be taken care of.”
As I mentioned, it was third-world studies, and it was late in the term, so we’d read a bit on paternalism and racism and so forth. It was seriously strange to hear, almost verbatim, the words of a 19th-century anti-abolitionist come out of this 20th century 16-year-old’s mouth.
I remember a profound moment of disbelieving, silence after she finished taking. I think we were polite in our eventual responses — looking back, I’m trying to remember what it was that we did say. But it’s stuck with me because it was a) incredible to hear it said out loud and b) in retrospect, it’s what many racists mean but can’t say directly and c) at the time I really couldn’t conceive of anyone in the US being so stupidly, bigotedly, and blatantly racist.
(Sidenote — It’s incredible to me how much this country has backslipped. Granted, Regan was president at that time, and I wasn’t the most politically aware/active teen, but… Oy.)
Other random anecdote. I saw Derek Bell speak in college and it was the first time I’d heard this argument put forward:
The use of racist codes doesn’t just benefit the Republicans via the assurance to their base that everyone’s on the same team. It’s also a tactic by the haves to keep the have-nots divided against one another. Ie, if you inculcate a fear of scarcity into group X (say, whites) and convince them that they’ll be further disadvantaged by group Y (say, blacks) dipping into that same pool, then you can go on your merry way accruing most of the benefits to yourself and blame the shortfall on the second group.
This can work even if you change the ethnic component of the groups. With immmigration, you can not only use this fearmongering tactic to alarm your white base, you may be able to scare other ethnic groups (blacks, asians).
Divide and conquer, as they say.
“I was confused by this for a while, wondering if the antebellum south had had an underground gay sub-culture that had been scorned as a southern tradition.”
Pick up a copy of Florence King’s “Southern Ladies and Gentlemen” if you get a chance. You’d be surprised.
Re: War of Northern Aggression–
Both of my parents grew up in Atlanta in the 50s, on very different sides of town, in private schools (though one was also a military acad) and both were taught the Civil War as “The War Between the States.” It tended to put the Confederacy on equal footing with the Union, I suppose, without sounding too “anti-Yankee.” They were in Atlanta after all. (snark)
I’m not sure they ever really thought about what it meant. My parents weren’t exactly 60s activists, though they certainly were aggressive in making sure my sister and I weren’t bigots (like other, older family members). Perhaps because they grew up Catholic in the South in the 50s. My mom remembers telling a friend’s mom (who had asked) that they went to church at St. Anthony’s and never getting to play with that friend again.
My father’s family were wealthy Northern transplants (via MA & NJ), but my mom’s mom grew up on the outskirts of Atlanta during the early 1900s. They were French Catholic immigrants, and I was probably 4 or 5 before I found out the Klan also hated blacks, Jews, etc. (And, knowing how much they frightened my grandmother, it was probably in the context of “if someone doesn’t like them, they won’t like you, either.”) Sometimes I wonder what she saw growing up.
This is an appropriate time to conflate two issues: racism and the immigration crisis. While most of the talk about how to solve the immigration problem has been at the level of economics, immigration laws, and rights of aliens, we need to recognize that there is a sub-current of racist fear attached to immigration. In other words, using the conservative technique of abstraction that Digby describes, the immigration debate has taken place largely in this abstract realm. Almost nobody says they are opposed to looser immigration laws because they fear the “browning” of America, and yet any observer of American culture past and present knows that fear is there. Oddly enough America has been eager to assimilate Hispanic/Latino culture in many of its aspects, but giving people south of the border the same opportunities as “people lacking pigment” as Pach puts it, is another matter.
Immigration laws have always been selective to favor immigration from the Atlantic border, and while there has been enormous changes in the direction of diversity and openness, the particular issue of immigration from the southern border is a toxic brew of exploitation of a cheap labor source, the genuine aspirations of people who want a better life, poorly defined and impossible to enforce immigration laws, and intolerance from already-assimilated people who nevertheless want cheap fruits and vegetables throughout the year.
It the 1850’s and following, Chinese laborers were desperately needed to build the railroad tracks that were needed to conquer the west. But citizenship for these workers? What, are you kidding? These are yellow men, for God’s sake. The more things change the more they remain the same.
Somewhat cynically, the politicians are beginning to take notice. The next battleground is of course shaping out to be the battle to gain the allegiance of this new political force.
Now is a good time to learn some Spanish.
There’s more to it:
It’s now a GOP Code to campaign by:
“”Our foxiness must be well concealed…” N. Blue
– Since the 1988 presidential campaign, this hard-boiled, bare-knuckles approach to politics seems commonplace. In a 2000 book from Chapel Hill Press*, called Machiavelli’s The Republican, Nelson A. Blue, urges Republican candidates to manufacture data to meet their needs. “Deception in the defense of truth is no vice,” he writes. Rush Limbaugh is held up as a positive example of proper deception.
Blue instructs GOP readers how to appeal to racial prejudices, while vigorously denying any suggestion of Republican racism.
In fact, Blue calls race “the greatest tool for appealing to people’s fears.” He cites Atwater’s Willie Horton TV commercials as the number one example of the tactic, followed by the 1990 Jesse Helms Senate race ad, referred to as “the white hands” commercial. The ad shows a pair of white hands holding and crumpling a letter about a job, while the voice over says, “You needed that job, and you were the best qualified, but they had to give it to a minority because of a racial quota. Is that really fair?”
“Another way to appeal to race is to use pictures of blacks or Latinos to represent our enemies’ positions,” Blue wrote, citing a Christian Coalition voters’ guide as an example.
“There are many other ways to appeal to race, such as conjuring up black welfare queens and blaming our economic problems on immigrants; but there is no need to discuss them all here. The examples discussed above should give the reader a good idea of the power of race-based techniques and the variety of situations in which we can use them.”
Again and again, Blue quotes Rush Limbaugh as authority for his techniques and urges Republican candidates to be as aggressively deceptive as possible.
Paraphrasing The Prince by Machiavelli, Blue writes: “The vast majority of Americans lack either the intelligence or the honesty, or both, to understand the truth and virtue of the Republican principles. Consequently, to win elections we must profess principles that these unenlightened persons will find agreeable. We will often need to convince these unfortunates that our actions are in accord with their unenlightened view of what is good for America. This dichotomy between our true principles and our professed principles requires that we always be on guard. We must always ensure that our actions are consistent with our true principles. On the other hand, we must always be careful to profess only our public-consumption principles. Our ‘foxiness must be well concealed;’ we must be great feigners and dissemblers and ’seem to be exceptionally merciful, trustworthy, upright, humane and devout.’” (Internal quotes from the real Machiavelli.)
By: GhostofAtwater on February 22, 2006 at 01:27pm
One of the nicest things about the EPU’d Zone is it’s inherent egalitairianizm.
Anyone jonesin for a Fitz fix, can go back in time (actually forward in EPU’d Zone time) and Fitz away!
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Margaret, I am very tired of the same sad rationalizations I hear from Southerners. And angry. I’ve had very painful expereinces as one half of an interracial couple in the South.The every day racism in the North is much more tolerable for me & many others compared with the seething menacing kind of the South. It hurts & scares much more.
Nope.
Just main-thread zombies wandering aimlessly around here in the EPU’d Zone.
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Oh, well, foot-it to the backture!
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Just main-thread zombies wandering aimlessly around here in the EPU’d Zone.
For shame, mister! Such imagery too.
Hello, mui,
Forgive me. I’m from the future and where the EPU’d Zone has self-revelated in the vacuum left with the mass rush to the new thread.
The EPU’d Zone is kind of like quantuum vacuum stuff…things can just pop-up out of nowhere.
Blame physics I guess.
It’s common knowledge that there are (previous to the discovery of FDL time travel, of course) FDL commenters who often linger in the yet to be revelated EPU’d Zone.
Sorry about dropping in on you like this.
As you were.
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“Volume pedal”? Sounds like self editing, Digby. I bet you really wanted to say “diapason stop”.
Either of the two principal stops on a pipe organ that form the tonal basis for the entire scale of the instrument.
In any case, very nice, D. Your parenthetical observation that the US lags most civilized countries in social support policies because many white Americans hate the idea that anything might help “them” is dead on the money. The use of racism (really any of their useful tools: homophobia, sexism, nativism) to get people to vote against their own best interests — because “they” might benefit too — is key to American politics.
The EPU’d Zone for this thread commenced at *ilson42601 #154.
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Jane Knowles (#139) makes the important point of the connection of modern-day forms of racism in the US with the legacy of slavery.
Many scholars have explored this relationship in depth and with great insight, exposing the deep roots that the experience of slavery has retained in the culture as well as the devastating and cumulative effects that experience continues till today to wreak on African Americans.
Yet, if we are to be honest about it, this historical reality begs an important political and practical question that makes liberals quite uncomfortable.
Specifically, it requires going beyond merely denouncing racism to dealing forthrightly with what is to be done to repair the damage that has actually been done to the slaves and their descendants throughout this history.
In other words, what is your stand on the issue of reparations for black people?
Damn, #27 beat me to it! Good call.
And nice post, Digby. It’s no coincidence that Strom Thurmond (R-Maid Rapist) had to create the new States Rights Party in 1948; the Republicans where (then) still the Party of Lincoln. No longer.
The “neo-cons” are really neo-Confederates.
@Green Lantern: Knowing what I know about slavery, I’m all for reparations. I think the government could make them in the form of educational and economic investments in struggling communities with majority black populations.
I’ve course I’m no fool. Most people–including liberals–don’t know shit about what slaves endured, or how the foundation of this country was basically built at the cost of their blood, sweat and tears, not to mention how the legacy of the institution continues to tear through the fabric of current generations. So until the day comes that people are truely educated on the realities of slavery, I imagine most folks–both Dems and Republicans, would be very much opposed to any attempts to repay and repair for the cost of slavery.
While not everyone who hates gays is also racist, you can probably feel fairly comfortable in assuming that if somebody is talking about their Christian, southern antebellum heritage and they hate gays — it’s code.
I don’t know about that. I know a lot of conservative Southerners, and by and large they are honestly freaked out by gay people. The only connection to racism that I can see is that racism and homophobia both spring from the same xenophobic, provincial outlook. There’s a high correlation between homophobia and racism, but that doesn’t mean one is code for the other.
They use code words because overt racism is no longer respectable. “Law and order, anti-affirmative action, anti-welfare, family values” rhetoric appeals to millions of voters who would be horrified to think of themselves as racist. On the other hand, homophobia is still pretty respectable. If you say “I’m sorry, I just don’t like gays; that’s not natural,” most people in the US will not immediately consider you a bigot, and probably close to half will agree with you.
I think anti-gay rhetoric is meant to appeal to genuine homophobia. Probably homophobia is highly correlated with latent racism, so you end up appealing to many of the same people. If this is code talk, I think the decoding is subconscious.
Thanks, Digby.
As a black, gay man I can’t tell you how many times I’ve encountered veiled (sometimes thinly)racist and homophobic comments.
We black people are reminded ad nauseum that we are being overly sensivitive or we’re accused of having a “chip on our shoulder” if we dare complain to anyone about being subjected to anything that is not overtly racist or homophobic.
The result is a segment of the population that often feels discriminated against but is unable to articulate the act since it was coded or implied.
Thanks for saying what we’ve been saying all along, because no one wants to hear it from us.
For #164:
No one is making excuses for any racism, Southern, or from any other quarter. What I was pleading for in my earlier post was for less stereotyping, which is one of the foundations for racist thinking, as well as other forms of biogtry. I was also trying to point out the regional uses of language which we must try to understand if we are to stop calling each other names and attempting to discredit other people’s traditions (the good ones). The Democrats cannot hope to win the South, again, unless they stop the kind of broad assertions and Deanesque comments about Southerners which makes a great sound bite, but ends up being so destructive.
As for bi-racial relationships, in my Southern city, there are many, and they seem to flourish in spite of prejudice. Love is stronger than hate. as far as rejection of bi-racial adopted children, check out the attitudes of Seattle, Washington, and the responses my best friend (white) has received every time she has appeared in public with her child. Ugliness and hate are everywhere in this country. We Democrats should be about tolerance, inclusiveness, and the furtherance of education for all children so that election day debacles such as occured in Florida in many counties, where African-Americans were cheated, lied to, bamboozled out of their votes, will never again
be tolerated.
Jane Knowles @ 174 – I agree: “educational and economic investments in struggling communities with majority black populations†would be a good start at remedying the historical damages from slavery and its aftermath.
And to those who would say it is impractical, I say look at the example of the acclaimed Marshall Plan for repairing the damages of WWII in Europe. That massive effort (in terms of resources committed) was of course done for white people and hence widely accepted in the US. Not so for black people closer to home. And not for Native Americans. However, it was done for the Japanese (on a smaller scale) as compensation for their internment; the Jews have had their day too; and there are others.
In the case of African Americans, the early promise of Reconstruction and “an acre and a mule†was nipped in the bud and resistance continues till today. That resistance is itself tied up with the complex of attitudes and institutions that we call racism.
The civil rights movement and the brief episode of the “war on poverty†managed to bring some of the underlying issues to the fore. But that was undoubtedly due to the social upheavals that occurred then.
It will take another such social upheaval to move the ball further towards a full reckoning and redress of the historical record. Until and unless that day of reckoning occurs, the stain of racism will remain a dark spot on the national character.
PART 1:
This thread is typical LGF. Johnson posts a graphic example of fundamentalist Muslim hatred and violence. In this case:
The Little Green Feverswamp stirs to life:
PART 2 (from same thread)
Let’s see…virulent mutating shit…check. Subhuman animal garbage…check. Dehumanization complete. Now, what are we missing? The ovens! SeigHei… Ach, too soon. Wrong century. Gotta work ‘em up extra good these days to get that train on track. Need some more homicidal fantasy. But lets bring it a little closer to the Motherla…Homeland this time, shall we? Make it visceral. Mix it up a bit.
PART 3 (still same thread)
Can’t let nobody step outta line, neither. Sorry Charlie.
The End
As for bi-racial relationships, in my Southern city, there are many, and they seem to flourish in spite of prejudice. Love is stronger than hate. as far as rejection of bi-racial adopted children
Margaret, of course relationships can still flourish. This is yet another very strange rationalization that I was talking about. Relationships can flourish of course, but with much, much more hardship. When my partner rejoined me back up North, it was a breath of relief and a saving grace. The oppression, the remarks and the attitudes were things we felt we did not have to put up with, because we knew life was different elsewhere.My experiences elsewhere in this country including Seattle were nothing like the south. And I have been going there since I was a child.
this is the most amazing discussion on racism I have ever come across on a blog.
some things are much harder to see from the other side. so a lot of times, its almost pointless to “talk” across the “racial divide”
if this thread is in anyway indicative of the direction of movement in the general population, then the divide may be narrowing,
John Casper has it absolutely right in his post on the historical legacy of racism. And it should be added that the psychological changes he mentions go both ways.