
(Tonight’s guest poster is Matt O. from The Great Society)
Earlier this year, the Washington Post held an online chat regarding the decision of Executive Editor, Jim Brady, to the shut down of reader comments at the newspaper’s blog, post.blog. Brady cited “personal attacks, the use of profanity and hate speech.” The readership uproar was a consequence of the shoddy reporting and subsequent defense of said shoddy journalism in which The Post tried to pass off the Jack Abramoff scandal as bipartisan.
The background was necessary to highlight this response from Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit from a questioner in Washington, D.C. during the online chat:
Glenn Reynolds: I think that one reason [that most conservative blogs do not allow comments] has to do with media treatment. Charles Johnson, for example — who does have comments — has repeatedly faced media stories about his site in which comments made by his readers are directly attributed to him, as if he had written them. I certainly worry about that sort of thing, too. I think that lefty sites expect, and get, less of that kind of mistreatment. […]
The reason Glenn is defending Charles, the Executive Editor of Little Green Footballs, is because much of the readership at LGF hold deeply racist sentiments, especially towards Arabs and Muslims.
Frequently readers post comments with racial slurs such as “raghead” and “mooselimbs,” racist anecdotes, castration, charges of a low intellect, wiping their rear with the Koran, calls for a new crusade, violence towards and mass murder of all Muslims, the destruction of Islam and white supremacist-esque language like “It’s time we asserted our culture” and “moral and cultural superiority.” It seems that liberals are now by definition terrorists and labeled as such. They speak of Arabs and Muslims in much the same ways that a racist southerner would speak of blacks in the 1950s.
Responsible? Not quite.
In perhaps a preemptive move to dissuade criticism for allowing such comments, the LGF website has this disclaimer between every post and its comments:
Comments are open and unmoderated, although obscene or abusive remarks may be deleted. Opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
However, some investigative work uncovered some misleading and shady behind the scenes administrative actions.
While the LGF staff continues to contend their “hands-off” policy with exceptions, Charles has exhibited a contradictory approach to racial and ethnic epithets and employs a word filter.
In September 2003, Charles posted this message:
[HEADLINE: If You See a Message...] …that you’re not allowed to post comments, or use our forms to send email, it’s because I’ve had to completely block AOL addresses from using those functions of LGF. There is a group of truly nasty creatures who have been using AOL accounts to post ugly antisemitic comments, and because of the way AOL works the only method of blocking these haters is to disallow all AOL users. I’m sorry for the inconvenience, but that’s how it’s gotta be.
However, for years prior, readers posted dozens of attacks on Muslims and Arabs, even with the use of racial slurs and eliminationist rhetoric. Still, nothing was done and a similar condemnation never came. A reader noticed this blatantly lopsided approach to curbing racist comments only to be met with criticism for raising the question and charges that racial slurs appeared in a search of the comments at a “remarkably low” number.
In fact, just six months earlier in March 2003, Charles Johnson posted this message:
Huh? A Ba’athist tyrant speaking of the Shah in somewhat positive tones? I thought Pahlavi was hated in those circles; but I guess they wouldn’t be Arabs without the ability to hold dozens of contradictory opinions simultaneously.
Charles’ onslaught on Arabs and Muslims continues to this day with sarcastic posts titled “Religion of Peace” in which he characterizes all of Islam by the acts of Muslim extremists. Such an argument would be the equivalent of framing Christianity by the lunacy of Pat Robertson and the rest of the evangelical right.
Some time in 2005, LGF employed a word filter that altered certain words of readers’ comments as soon as they submitted their post. The last “raghead” comment was in January 2005 just prior to a post where Charles received an e-mail from a British Muslim that was offended with the racist cesspool. Charles only offered a sarcastic remark in response, obviously because he does not care if people post racist comments, probably because he endorses such sentiment. That would be true if the search results for the word “raghead” ceased as well. They do not. Rather they continue to this day, numbering in the hundreds by now.
The search results show the pre-edited comments. The word “raghead” is automatically changed to “Arab” by the filter. In fact, on several occasions, readers complained about their inability to use the word “raghead,” test out other slurs, have fun with it and give each other pointers on how to get around the filter.
The unbalanced approach to dealing with racist comments at LGF is glaring. Charles Johnson blocked AOL accounts due to a commonality among comments for anti-Semitic remarks. However, he brushed off valid accusations supported by hundreds of posts by a high volume of regular readers. Why?
Why are these racists allowed to post despicably bigoted comments towards Muslims and Arabs while automatically covering up racial slurs and claiming that these are “unmoderated”?
Apparently some racial epithets and statements are allowed and it all depends on which group is the target.
If Charles himself is not racist as he claims, though I emphatically disagree, LGF certainly is a “safe haven” for racists. It is a website that “harbors” racists. Readers that claim a moral, religious, racial and cultural superiority are consumed with an unfathomable hatred for Muslims and Arabs. They are provided with a forum where there are no consequences for their words. Instead, such responses are encouraged and thinly covered-up. Racism is what lies beneath.
(graphic courtesy TM from LGF Watch)
Previous posts in the series:
Educating Wolfie by Pam Spaulding
Right Wing Racism: Steve Sailer by Armando
Let’s Go Real Far Right… by Matt Stoller
Tramsmitting Extremism by David Neiwert
The Fork in the Road — The Right and Race Online by Steve Gilliard
Late Night FDL: A Thin Candy-Coat of Legitimacy by TBogg
Matt O. has also been compiling racist quotes from right-wing websites over at The Great Society.



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Fitz!
Great job, Matt.
The link citing a 1950s approach to race relations is incorrect. Let me track it down.
This is the correct link.
Matt, thank you so much for that post. You have done an amazing job of research here, and perhaps, I suspect, you hold the record for the FDL post with the greatest number of clickable links. It must have taken you a whopping amount of time to find and insert all of these linked comments. Nothing like telling the truth, in their own words. What a great job on this. An absolutely classic FDL post. Huge props!
OT – Mark Crispin Miller on C-span2 now! Started 11 pm EST.
Thanks Valley Girl. It took longer to write the post than it did to come up with the links for it. That’s how bad it is over there.
Matt thanks so much. What a wonderful post, really well documented and beautifully written.
(I asked Matt to write the post after the great job he’s done in the comments over the past week documenting this stuff and putting it up on his own website, it’s a terrific resource.)
PS I changed the link.
LGF lives by the typical mob mentality. The posters and the publishers constantly fail to remember that they are not in their own secret backyard barbeque. That’s one of the magical aspects of the internet. People get caught up in what they think is their safe bubble. LGF is busted, as is Powerline, RedState, Free Republic…they all have blatant racist remarks from their commentors. Except in the case of Powerline it’s just the bloggers, especially assrocket. He publishes blatantly disingenuous, to the point of idiotic, remarks in his posts. He is as transparent as looking into a night time living room with all of the lights on with a freshly windexed sliding glass door and no curtains.
Thanks for the compliments, Jane. Thanks again for approaching me on this job. It is extremely important to air out the worst of the worst when they accuse the Left of their own atrocities.
Damn it, I got my link crossed again. Hold on…
Matt O: Thanks Valley Girl. It took longer to write the post than it did to come up with the links for it. That’s how bad it is over there.
I’m not sure exactly what you’re saying, but here’s my guess: You had to take long long writing time to weave this into some kind of coherent narrative, because it’s basically incoherent sh*t. I didn’t even think of that when I read your post. But now I am even more impressed. You could have punted, and done the “and here’s this racist remark here, and here’s this other racists remark here, etc.” But you didn’t do that. You wrote a classy and classic narrative when you could have taken the easy way out. Thank you so much.
I don’t think Holy Joe will be running as an independent
Dear Joseph needs to study up on Title 9 of the Connecticut Code, specifically § 9-453i:
Submission to town clerk or Secretary of the State.
(a) Each page of a nominating petition proposing a candidate for an office to be filled at a regular election shall be submitted to the appropriate town clerk or to the Secretary of the State not later than four o’clock p.m. on the ninetieth day preceding the day of the regular election.
Get them petitions all in the day after the primary?? Holy Joe, now that’s some scampering.
Valley Girl -
Yeah, it came out wrong. Sounded better in my head.
What I meant was, the racist lunacy is easily visible that it took me longer to write the post than it did for me to do my research.
I just wanted to point out for the sake of Google, that Glenn Reynolds has a vested interest in defending Charles Johnson since both our principals in Pajamas Media. It is appalling that a law professor such as Reynolds would choose a racist for a business partner. And probably unethical for Glenn Reynolds not to disclose that conflict of interest in the chat.
Valley Girl — I think Matt’s point is that those sites are so thick with racist comments that it takes almost no time to come up with as many examples as you want, which is why it took less time than writing the post.
I believe this was the comment I meant to link to. I reference the 1950s language because of these questions he poses in response to someone that was not pleased with a racist remark:
Matt O: Well, I still go with my interpretation that you did a fabulous job of weaving all the links together, and putting them in context. And Redshift, I see your point. I missed that irony.
Thanks for the post, Matt. The graphic at the head of this post is particularly fitting. A cute little nerf football ceases to look so cute after spending any amount of time going through an lgf comments section.
Redshift – bingo.
P.S. My apologies on the link situation. Been busy today.
Perhaps someone could explain how getting into a self-indulgent lather about the fanatics of LGF assists the Dems in any way to win in November – which is surely the pending business for all sane lefties.
If LGF was getting support from the GOP in some form, that would be different.
As it is, comes off as the usual sort of lefty circle jerk.
JWR,
I cannot take credit for the image. That would have to be Jane, I think. But I agree. Fitting, indeed.
Matt O: Oh, erm… I hope you’ve learned by now that discretion is the better part of valor, or silence is the better part of valor, when considering *some* comments.
OT – EPU’ed – New grenade for those that missed it downstairs ; )
Bush Ordered Declassification, Official Says
WASHINGTON, April 9 — A senior administration official confirmed for the first time on Sunday that President Bush had ordered the declassification of parts of a prewar intelligence report on Iraq in an effort to rebut critics who said the administration had exaggerated the nuclear threat posed by Saddam Hussein.
But the official said that Mr. Bush did not designate Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby Jr., OR ANYONE ELSE, to release the information to reporters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04…..r=homepage
I love it when someone drops in, reads the current post and complains that not enough is being done here to elect dems. We get it, what?, once a month or so?
Look around you lazy jerk!!!!
(sorry, tired, very tired.)
fairsfair -
My post was merely a response to the “fever swamp” accusation by Hugh Hewitt, when in fact, it is the right-wing blogosphere that such comments should be directed at.
This post is not about electoral politics or 2006. For me, it was responding to a well-known critic, and educating ol’ Blitzy on the realities of the right-wing blogs.
To Fairsfair:
Do we have to be one note Johnnies to please you?
Valley Girl #24 -
Not quite sure I know what you mean by “*some* comments.” For the sake of the post, I used *some* comments but I have a laundry list of examples. I’d have to write a book to cite every atricious post.
MattO – great post – thank you!
and thanks to jen for the Mark Crispin Miller heads up – coupled with Hersh yesterday, I am not feeling relaxed …
add to that – in case you missed it – Sen George Allen’s potential R for prez has outed himself as a complete crazy by nominating Boykin for head of Special Ops:
http://www.military.com/NewsCo…..64,00.html
Matt O: I have been reading FDL articles and comments for quite a long while now, so I have some perspective. What I have noticed of late is a considerable uptick in postings by “sophistocated trolls” who have alter agendas and try to take the discussion off track, often citing “good causes”. Let me just remind you, and others, of two great words: *sinkhole* and *quicksand*. VG
Please don’t feed it.
The main reason that a lot of rightwing bloggers don’t allow comments is that they get their asses kicked on the facts, every time. Their rants are not defensible when challenged by people like Glenn Greenwald, or the intrepid ladies here at FDL. The Right is ideologically based, and damn the facts.
Matt O: I was referring to *some* comments on this thread- as in #22- not anything that you said. Absolutely not. Sorry that I was too subtle on that one.
VG — I call them “soft trolls”
Matt O. — thank you for exposing the belly of the beast. I frequently do not recognize our beautiful country– no matter where I go, I try to engage people in a conversation and am so frequently stunned at the hatred of all people brown and different and an utter disregard for the massacred, starving and thirsty Africans, Asians, Middle Easterners, South Americans, Eastern Europeans and Americans, that my head and my heart throb in pain.
I tried to delve into the miasma and could not sustain myself. Thank you for your endeavors and a really good post.
V.G. #34 -
Ahh, okay.
As you said: “Readers that claim a moral, religious, racial and cultural superiority are consumed with an unfathomable hatred for Muslims and Arabs.”
Of course, that hatred is in fact due to those claims of superiority.
Markinsanfran #38
Agreed.
Jane, okay, I retract the “sophistocated” part. That is a very good point. May I suggest “sinkhole trolls” instead?
I think #22 was actually Lieberman.
I’m glad the number was pointed out as the offender. I’m very thin skinned and sensitive. I always think the bad stuff refers to me. Just the way we oilfield types are, y’know, emotional and stuff.
cosmo,
“The main reason that a lot of rightwing bloggers don’t allow comments is that they get their asses kicked on the facts, every time “
When you’re “catapulting the propaganda”, you don’t want no stinkin’ feed back ; )
VG — I like “sinkhole trolls”
Cozumel -
RedState is infamous for their quick to ban knee-jerk reaction to differing opinions, especially as of late.
Winger joke:
Buckwheat converted to Muslim. Changed his name. Now we call him Kareem O’Wheat.
OT (but this is a wonderful post Matt – hard to organize, and yet you made it seem ez. The last few nights have just be one thoughtful, great piece after another!)
anon & John Casper, Coz, below WOW – So basically the WH is “now” saying that back at the end of June (remember, btw, the end of June meeting between Scooer and Miller that she “suddenly remembered” after she got call from the Prosecutor) the President authorized a declassification (although they are agreeing it was of “parts” only and the doc released July 18 goes out of its way to include the “vigorously pursued” part) .
This went through the normal “lengthy” procedures, resulting in the actual public release 7-18. As to Cheney and Libby releasing B4 then, only portions and to Judy and Bob? He doesn’t really know anything about that.
Uh, maybe Cheney misunderstood him when he said he wanted to “get it out there” and leaped to the conclusion that the President meant right now, as opposed to waiting for the actual declassification? It will be interesting to see if we ever find out what the story on this really is – did they have the discussion off the record, Cheney goes off, and BUsh keeps deniability? Or does Cheney, as he and Rumsfeld are wont to do, just make the decision himself and run with it?
It partly boils down to what Cheney and Addington told Fitzgerald
And if he has just set up the WH or the OVP or both to now be publically calling Libby a fibber — it kind of makes Libby look bad going in to trial, doesn’t it?
Pach 41
You really think that was Lieberman?
I’m not so sure Joementum would use a phrase like “circle jerk.” I think that would offend his delicate sensibilities. Or, his computer would have some sort of dirtiness filter that wouldn’t let him type something like that.
Jane,
Don’t know if you saw #14 or if you guys already knew about it or not. Might be important.
Matt O,
“RedState is infamous for their quick to ban knee-jerk reaction to differing opinions, especially as of late.”
I’ve noticed. I also saw a post there that said FDL bans any poster (here) that disagrees with FDL. In the six or seven months that I’ve been here, I’ve seen NO evidence of that, NONE!
VG — I like “sinkhole trollsâ€
OMG, I mean, like I really really mean it gosh what a fab really really awesome thing to share, Janie.
;) And, while I’m at it, let me break my arm patting myself on the back ;)
Thank you for the post, Matt. A worthy addition to the series.
Back on the topic of Sunday’s WaPo editorial:
Tomorrow’s USA Today appears to have a doozy of its own on the editorial page: http://www.usatoday.com/news/o…..bush_x.htm
The most illogical, internally inconsistent piece of drivel I’ve read in a long time. Shorter version: Since the President leaked this classified information, it proves how silly it is to go after leakers. Their mind-boggling conclusion: “Just about everyone touched by this CIA leak investigation looks bad, including now the president. It’s past time to end a misguided probe that can only serve to intimidate government officials and shut Americans off from information they have every right to know.”
Is there something I’m missing here??? Or am I not on airplanes enough to know that this is business as usual for USA Today?
—
This NYT article takes the cake. The White House is now apparently acknowledging that Bush declassified the information but did not authorize anyone, including Libby, to release the information to the press.
Two points: (1) why declassify the information if not to disseminate it to the public; and (2) why wait for Libby to be indicted when it was apparent that he disobeyed the President and released the information?
The White House is doing one of two things painting Libby as renegade who’s zealotry led him to leak “declassified” information to the press or painting Dick Cheney as the same. Which is it? Looks like Scooter won’t be getting that pardon after all.
Oilfieldguy — mcjoan over at kos has it right, I think — Lieberman’s trying to get the party to do a Paul Hackett on Ned Lamont and force him out of the race.
Sorry all for #51. I obviously need to get a grip.
Jane, did you see this?
“For instance, reached for comment, firegodlake’s Jane Hamsher called the editorial “bullshittiness of the highest fucking bullshit order,†then, after burning her Ben Bradlee doll with a cigarette, downed a half bottle of Stoli Vanilla and coughed up her spleen.”
(h/t Allah)
Posted by Jeff Goldstein @ 02:06 PM
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You better get out the good knives.
Cozumel -
I haven’t seen it either.
Thanks CityGirl.
cleter: that was snark.
:)
Jane, you said we were out of vodka. No fair hoggin’ it.
Pach, I think cleter’s was snark2.
Sorry, I just read the comments. You’re right, it is libel. YOu go girl.
Pachacutec -
I know your name is a reference to Machu Picchu, so is it safe to say you are Latino like me?
Yep I did, zennurse. And that’s libel. It’s all Goldstein’s got.
Atrios has the final word on Goldstein.
Jeff Goldstein? I’d expect that kind of crap from Emmanuel Goldstein, but not from the guy who was in “The Fly.” You’d think he’d be more tolerant, being a half-man, half-insect freak, and all.
Jane, I have no doubt he will try to do anything except represent the voters of his district. I saw where some were saying he might run as an independent and if that link is correct, it appears that is not an option. Sorry about being OT folks, I just didn’t know if you had this info.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
Stoli is just so mundane – couldn’t he do a little better?
Dang, I’ve been outsnarked.
My screen name is after the Inca ruler and warrior, in honor of my Peruvian grandfather, who was a seminal ifluence on my life.
My mother’s side is Latino. My Peruvian grandfather married a Puerto Rican woman (my grandmother) in New York, where they met.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachacutec
I always wondered what kind of jawbreaker name was Pachacutec
Pachacutec -
I hear ya. My late mother is the seminal influence in my life. I got a tattoo in her honor.
It’s easy to pronounce if you break it down:
Pah-cha-KOO-tehk
Or just say “Pach.”
No offense Pach, I’m just sayin’.
On Vodka: Finishing off the last of my Ciroc Vodka and Alize Red Passion (mixed). All the rage in NYC I guess when I was there a few weeks ago.
Nite all ; )
Me, too, long day zennursing.
No congress tomorrow?
Maybe we’ll get Rubber Stamps!!??!!
Sweet Dreams
Oh hell, that doesn’t offend me.
When I get offended, I break out the whupass. I’m pretty mellow and ready to crash at the moment.
I always flip it in my feeble mind. To parachute. Which can come in handy.
Just doing final rounds and found a new one, very appropriate for this thread:
Wolcott
Oilfield: you’re not the only one. A lot of folks do it. Armando did it for over a year.
Flavored vodka– I think not! Cristalle is what the ladies are entitled to after another day in the trenches slaying the dra-goonies of wingnuttia.
http://www.time.com/time/magaz…..-1,00.html
Link to a Time article by a recently retired US General who tears Clusterfuck a new one and demands that Rummy resign—Jeesh!
Time for sleep here too – the anxieties of this weekend’s various news bits are hitting my energy but I’m sure all our actions in the coming week will make me feel revived!
I’m still looking for FDL friends for the Obama event tomorrow – but I have to miss the Code Pink Hillary fun Tuesday night for a neighborhood meeting on some hijinks attempting to sell a community arts building to swanky developers. If anyone needs info on the Code Pink or the Obama events, check here:
Obama: http://obama.senate.gov/events/
and here:
Code Pink Chicago: http://www.codepinkalert.org/article.php?id=375
just rocked the baby to sleep, Englebert Humperdink does it every time. Had to cleanse the palate a little, so i threw on some old Dokken, “Walk Away”…damn, it sounds great.
I’d really like to remake the video for that one. I just keep picturing two lovers in a quake of aspens, exchanging looks that reflect the knowledge that their forbidden love was doomed from the beginning…
new shot of the author, gripping his hair on his temples, on his desk a manuscript, and a half empty bottle of absynthe, the kind sold on some of my favorite blogs. The ghostly face of his love floating just out of reached, morphing into a geisha girl getting nailed by a bear in a cage…you get the point, I think it will play in Peoria. Where’s my digital camera? I wonder if Bill Kristol would play the part of the geisha as long as the proceeds go to the right legal defense club?
Great writing Jane- and great thinking too- a maserpiece.
The WaPo article was indeed total shit. What’s happening- I think- is that many in the boardrooms of america are starting to get scared shitless at the idea of a totally inept president- with JARs in the low twenties- sitting there through three very dangerous years.
They all know he’s going down- that he’s a defenseless hunk of fecal matter- and that he’s all we’ve got for three very long years.
They can’t bring themselves to ask for his resignation- so they do THIS! Absurd- as if they could save his sorry ass.
My own thoughts:
1. I don’t understand why this Johnson guy doesn’t want biased comments attributed to him. As I understand, Johnson runs the site? And even Johnson’s actual writings show, on the face, much racial and religeous bias? It doesn’t make sense…but then again, those folks ideas don’t make much sense either.
2. Taking a “bit” of a different tack from Matt O., in a way I’m sorta glad thata place like this football site exists. It lets all of those types congregate over there, slap each other on the back, and stay out of others hair.
What if they flocked to FDL? Ya’ll would spend inordinate amounts of time shouting down those fools. Although I may not be “quite as left” as many of you here…at least I can read good analysis and comments, and enjoy good discussion. Such might not be the case if every third/fourth comment was hate-spewing stuff.
So, while I sure don’t approve nor enjoy rascist type sites…maybe that they have their own little corner is a blessing in disguise for many others. Ghostman
Me tired too. VG re #55 Her ladyship typed the words Oilfieldguy on this thread for the first time in her illustrious career. I too feel that deal. Even though kudos to you and others elsewhere know more than you to me, still bad breath is better than no breath at all. I will keep at it and help where I can. Just kidding Ms. Hamsher, feedback, no matter what, is the unique aspect of this medium. And no, I don’t feel slighted.(except for #42)
Well, I have to keep remembering that it always pays to follow links in comments. And I do try, honest I do. Re: the Atrios link- I read it, and clicked further to the WaPo article. I must assume that what Atrios quoted was the intent. But, also noteable in the WaPo article is:
==The author of a paper in the esteemed journal Nature titled “Scrotal Asymmetry in Man and in Ancient Sculpture.”=== Well, well. FDL is always educational.
Glenn Reynolds is a professor at the University of Tennessee College of Law. Check up on UT’s record on race. Not so good. My point here is that his day job isn’t likely to bust his balls about his penchant for hanging out with stone cold racists like those LGF ninnies. It might have the effect of UT confronting their own damning history on race at that school. That would get in the way with the athletics department absorbing the rest of the university.
Yeah, I’ve seen lots of people put para… and know they are refering to you.
The first time I felt compelled to post at LGF, I know very weak on my part, I just posted a link to Bush’s brand new-low approval ratings after the right-wing began abandoning him during the port debacle.
My post was something like “Bush at 36%, Suck it losers” with a link.
Within a minute or two, Charles posted personal info about me gleaned from his registration process, in violation of his user agreement. This created the desired affect of having the crazed maniacs attack me personally for much of the thread.
Hands off… my ass.
Clusterfuck became a lame duck within months after winning the last election. He is now fading somewhere below that level.
After this year’s election- he will become a curiousity- a nothing- a bad joke that everyone is tired of- and he will sit that way for two fuckin years- kinda like the legendary japanes managers who are put in an office with windows- and given no assignments- nothing to do but to sit and stew in their public humiliation.
VG #85 ah nuts!!
OT and possibly already noted — Digby has a pretty funny take on Fred Hiatt wearin’ the Bush burka.
Ghostman — surprise — many of us are not on the ‘far left’ as described by the media. I used to consider myself a conservative dem — now I am considered a radical. Look at what they called Howard Dean and he was a conservative dem that many liberals in Vermont disliked intensely. They just like to label us. Anyone to the left of Bob Barr is considered radical left.
I am an idiot wrapped in a moron. I am stereotyping people, something we righties thoroughly enjoy.
I’m a walking hemorrhoid.
Get. A. Life.
Good god. You need professional help. Fast.
And please … learn the difference between a race, a religion, and a political movement to take over the world wrapped up in the mantle of a religion that is (ab)using the very rights they would see you stripped of.
http://dansimmons.com/news/message.htm
Ghostman -
Personally, I am in favor of deleting and banning racist comments and their perpetrators. I have zero tolerance for that kind of response. They could have the most credible and sound evidence and one racial epithet kills it.
At first, I thought their use of the word filter was a good idea, but then I started reading more and more and it seems much more like a “we’re not racist, leave us alone” move rather than a concerted effort to clean up the trash talk.
Reading some of Charles pre-9/11 posts, he was very tame, sticking to mainly web design topics. But I think 9/11 altered him, by either causing him to have such hateful beliefs of Islam and Arabs or merely brought these beliefs out from deep within him, where they had always been but never tapped into.
Our next protest against the Administration and GOP in general will take place in Cheyenne, WY on April 15th. Any Colorado people or anyone whose driving through, would be more than happy to have you join us.
Good thing about Cheyenne, there is guaranteed gonna be some right wing whackos driving by harrassing us. Fun for the whole family!
Oilfield guy- read your #84. My #85 was not a response to that. Anyway, we all try to do what we can to contribute, even if we don’t know who read, or what ideas came to pass. Let’s just keep on keepin’ on! VG
Well Grandma….I guess any of us who oppose this administration are also terrorists, commies, and…on and on and on! Chuckle. “labeling” is a pretty good trait of republicans….and, sadly….over the years I think they’ve done a pretty good job.
My hopes, however, are reinvigorated with the growth of these type of blogs. I am ESPECIALLY proud and admiring of how you guys point out so much media bias. Good job! Ghostman
…much of the readership at LGF hold deeply racist sentiments, especially towards Arabs and Muslims.
Uh, would someone PLEASE explain how Muslims are a “race”? I thought one of their big talking points was that they embrace ALL races. (Not that that’s a big point to brag on. Catholics and Eastern Orthodox can make the same claim.)
I don’t believe they are a race, but to LGF readers, the two are interchangable. To them, they are one in the same.
Back from Gatecrasher tour. Got to talk with both Jerome and Markos over some dish at the pub and went to Powell’s to hear them introduce the book and answer questions. The evening was definitely worthwhile in many ways.
This is a test for a pic I took related to tonight :)
Gatecrasher
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Hey, did you guys already work on this today?
http://www.buzzflash.com/contr…..6129.html.
very interesting…
Doesn’t Fitz know those RICO laws in and out?
Matt O., got it on how they try to show one face while hiding another. A funny irony in life….oft times, those that shout the loudest about how big and bold they are (which seems to cover alot of these rascist folks), so often are also the biggest fraidy cats! Go figure.
I think it’s good that you’ve exposed an underbelly to that football site. I’ve never been there…and now I see NO reason to ever go there. Keep up the good work! Ghostman
Wanker, when you make ad hominem attacks, you’re not winning an argument. You’re just being an ass.
Reasoned, civil argument is welcome here.
The author did not Trex you. I did. And now I’m through toying with you.
BTW, some great stuff, especially “Bush is a Slam Dunk Liar” (and a shout out to firedoglake) and ripping Powerline at Larry Johnsons website.
Really like the passion he has in defending the Wilsons (and reading his ex-CIA analysis with Firedoglakes legal analysis is better than anything written in any of the conventional publications) and his badass fascist-slappings. I think he has Bush absolutely nailed for lying about WMD in Iraq.
Me -
How am I editing comments? I am responding to them… I don’t even have editing powers.
Whenever we shed light on the racists, they come out to disrupt.
We don’t tolerate verbal abuse, bigotry or hate speech here. Go back to your crypt.
Reading some of Charles pre-9/11 posts, he was very tame, sticking to mainly web design topics. But I think 9/11 altered him, by either causing him to have such hateful beliefs of Islam and Arabs or merely brought these beliefs out from deep within him, where they had always been but never tapped into.
Or he realized that there was a HUGE audience for this sort of thing. Then he manipulated that audience and the enormous amount of traffic he was getting so that he could get, oh, I don’t know, a few million in VC money for a blog network.
tomboy -
I am not sure he had high traffic prior to 9/11. His posts had very few comments back then. I couldn’t add anything of merit to what you are speculating. I simply do not have the evidence to support that, but I do know that the theme to his site changed with 9/11.
Offtopic: but is it legal for the US Military to target the US Home Audience in a propaganda campaign?
The US Government and the US military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq …. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
For the past two years, U.S. military leaders have been using Iraqi media and other outlets in Baghdad to publicize Zarqawi’s role in the insurgency. The documents explicitly list the “U.S. Home Audience” as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.
No surprise, the timing of the trollery. Chuckles just put up a post decrying the “lefty smear machine”, with a link to FDL. You get special mention, Matt.
Great post. Great links. So important to keep calling racism what it is, and calling out those who promote it.
Demosthenes @ 53
Things must be bad (you could see it in Scotties Friday presser). They are positioning to throw Cheney under the bus.
Hope his ticker can take it. And I’m pretty sure Jr. isn’t going to be going hunting soon.
Next week the knives are coming out.
Blogs in general had much less traffic pre 9/11. I remember the first time I saw reynolds on CNN a couple of months later and checked out his site for the first time. He had appeared pretty resonable, to the right of me certainly, but reasonable. I guess he didn’t have any of his “religion of piece” posts up.
Johnson, Malkin, and Reynolds, the three stars of PJmedia, all hold those same opinions. Reynolds, Johnson, and Malkin know they would lose traffic if they banned the most racist commenters. Reynolds and Malkin are savvy enough to know their budding MSM careers would be over if they didn’t ban or repudiate offensive reader comments. They don’t want to lose traffic nor end any possible MSM career, so no comments at all. Elegant solution, really.
What about the Arbeit Macht FreiRepublik? What’s he racist quotient over there?
You know, gus3, you make a good point– they are not a race, but racism certainly is evident in much of what we do to them and how we refer to them. Shall we call it Islamophobia?
How come it is common to refer to any anti- zionist policy as anti- semitic; or that we refer to the Jewish State of Israel– why define a country by a religion? Semites are Jews and Moslems and Christians. What should we call tolerant Jews? What about tolerant Catholics and Christian fundamentalists? What about searing criticism of the tolerant Unitarian church? What about Buddhism? What about Hinduism? What about tolerant Moslems? Howzabout tolerant atheists? All religions and all nonbelievers aupport tolerance. It is our choice to differentiate and isolate people based on their beliefs and a terrible human error. All religions are good and provide enormous benefit to those that choose to follow them; it is the flawed and broken human that distorts religion for their own purpose, usually selfish and always for power and domination. See, it all breaks down. We, I guess could be the United States of Christendom (with a few others allowed, just for s&g). Does not sit well with me. just saying…
I didn’t know I wrote conservatives were racist here… Also, stereotyping Islam by the acts of extremists is not “critical of Islam.” The use of baseless attacks by calling for beatings, killings, castrations, etc., is not “critical of Islam.” It is deeply intolerant behavior, one that builds up sites like LGF.
No we don’t. The evangelical Christians that bastardize the real Christian faith are who we attack. To them, the teachings of Pat Robertson and his minions are the real Christian faith.
Charles Johnson employing classic strawmen to knock down with his Truthiness Schimtar +9.
not all christians.. just the Krazy Kristian K(C)Hiliasts like Falwell and Boykin—the people Bush will rely on to drop the nukes on Iran
It took me less than a week, with a full day of classes, a job and a girlfriend to compile that list. “The span of months”? Don’t kid yourselves. It was much easier than that.
Cherry-picked? I think not. I have to try to avoid racist and hateful speech.
“they often used another defense mechanism by downplaying the crime and defusing its sting by what Peter Gay has called “comparative trivialization,” which consists in acknowledging brutality but also pointing indignantly at crimes committed by others that were just as bad.”
http://mars.wnec.edu/~grempel/…..guilt.html
comparative trivialization-now that seems familiar, just trying to remember which party likes to employ it as a political tactic and excuse…
Don’t worry, it’ll come to me…
nice, Wyo Nate. ;)
Matt O, great post, thanks so much for all your work on this.
OT: Lookee here, NYT’s is starting their version of the WaPoo’s online chat.
Talk to the Newsroom
Bill Keller, executive editor of The Times, will answer questions in this space about the newspaper and the news. Questions will be selected from e-mails sent to asktheeditors@nytimes.com, and Mr. Keller will answer as many this week as time permits. Afterward, these discussions will continue with other Times editors.
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/bus…..itors.html
It doesn’t give a timeframe so I guess his answers and our questions just appear at this site.
Apparently I have no life. This would be news to me.
jerry, it looks like anything is “legal” if it can be plausibly denied to have occured on anyone’s watch. Or even implausibly. Or it’s OK because terrorists will get us otherwise. Or it’s been done since the 1940s. Right, it’s always been this way! That’s the ticket.
I read that essay because I was curious as to what signs of guilt people who voted for George Bush the last two times might exhibit after he’s…
IMPEACHED, BIAAAACH!
Remember who brought down Dan Rather.
Yay! Matt, thanks for bringing all this back, in digestible rations for those of us who are squeamish. I want to say that I think all of you are so brave to go over there and research. It turns my stomach, but I know it must be done for Mr. Blitzer. And I appreciate the hard work all the fdl guests have done this week on our behalf. Shine a light, indeed!
And yay Pach! with the trex power for when the weasels stray into our lakeside.
Matt O.
Where are you receiving the quotes you are reproducing here? I am getting into the phonebooth, donning my tights and cape and am ready for battle, sir. Onward!!!
commments inputting R e a L slow now, so I’ll make this short: the right wing blogsphere never discovered the truth about the memos, although they helped sac Rather. It took weeks, also. The lefties found the truth about Ben D, and got him fired—in DAYS. It’s the diff. between truth and bullshit.
Those would be coming from here.
So I – have no life, didn’t discredit what Charles says (though that was never my intent from the outset), cherry-picked comments, so on and so forth.
They miss the thrust of my argument. That a) Charles is misleading (no mention of a filter, but rather people figure it out on their own while claiming they are unmoderated… the use of a filter is not moderation?); b) Charles is selective in his bannings (anti-Jewish/Israeli is not allowed, but anti-Arab and anti-Muslim is fair game, and he will hide it with a filter); c) Charles has written racist remarks himself, which supports the idea that he is, ta da, racist himself; d) if these comments are so few, why are they left there when Charles said he would delete such comments in his own disclaimer?
eeewwee, went in search and found them– never mind, Matt O., they are foul but you are great for exposing them. lgf: rip, while twisting and turning. nitey- nite.
Having fun yet, Matt? ;)
LGF has since changed their disclaimer from this, which is what I cited in this post today:
To this:
We report, they change it.
Troll
They’ve unchained me from the studio for an hour before bed, so here I am.
Great post, Matt. Having been slimed more times than I care to google about at LGF, I’m happy to see you on board here tonight and doing battle with that nutty crew and their leaky, stinky ship. If they’d hire their crew by other methods than press gang and shanghaiing, clean the hold, and chase the rats overboard, they’d be a fitting bunch over which to claim victory.
phil, you checked the price of a barrel of oil lately?
Jane,
Very much so.
You certainly have a life, Matt. My goodness, valuing and searching for the truth and the concomitant exposition of lies and prejudice is tantamount to heroism. Truth wins out and will set all of us free. It is our only hope. Thank you and rest well– you did wonderful work and it was a fantastic post tonite– a culmination of very difficult work.
Me #135 -
If you do not want to get your act together, simply change the rules. I cannot say I haven’t heard that one before.
phil says:
April 9th, 2006 at 11:04 pm
Oh and we can’t accept that Jesus may have married Mary Magdalene? Too much Rush, Pat and Jerry, phil. That’s not consecrated wine you’re drinking, it is Kool- aid. I have to stop before I tell you to shut up.
Yay again, Matt, it’s always fun when the right has to clearly state that they’ll also ban “silly and annoying” posts! Do you think they’ll next admit the filter?
Maybe we could get a filter for Jane and Redd, too. I would love not to ever see the name Jim Brady again! Oh, and why does lgf think that Ben Bradlee has any connection to the WaPo anymore?
Is there a Sally Quinn voodoo doll to go with that one of Jane’s?
Well, after a bit of nervous laughter and excited scurrying about, they seem to be calming down as the shock of having that rock lifted is assuaged by a case of the warm fuzzies such as can only be experienced while engaged in a thorough debunking of global warming. Go figure.
Oh, and we are invited to check out Michelle Malkin’s comments section (?) to see the “vile racism directed at her by “liberals”.
Matt,
The only reason it would take a long time to do this sort of a post is the horrible chore of winnowing the examples down to the few best. I think it was Lincoln who one remarked, “I did not have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long one instead.”
My favorite LGF comments were about Jill Carroll having terrorist VD. I tried to get them to apologize when it was clear that she had been forced to make her initial statement at gunpoint, but alas, many used the thread as a way to insult her further.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co…..9892#c0004
Just pulled this off the WaPoo blog:
“Jane, at FDL says it much better than I can:
“For years now the GOP machine has succeeded in strong-arming the Washington Post into legitimizing their propaganda, dribbling out sensational disinformation during Whitewater to the hacktackular Sue Schmidt to put on the front page without skepticism or question. Over time they have provided easy, sleazy copy and traded “access” to the point that it has fueled an empire of mediocrity where only the people willing to limbo low enough and shape the news to Karl Rove’s satisfaction are rewarded with the scoops that trigger seniority. Both editors and reporters alike know their only ability to ascend the hierarchy comes from emulating supreme access pimp and BushCo. dupe Bob Woodward in a slavish devotion to stenography and the propagation of disinformation.”
Posted by: Gerald | April 10, 2006 01:19 AM”
rwcole 79
Lt. General GREGORY NEWBOLD – That is the kind of career military guy that I have met so often and why the point we have come to is not only sad, but was, for me, surprising. I disagree with him on staying rather than redeploying, even for now, but he’s the kind of guy you would trust with the decision. You can feel through the writing his personal sense of responsibility for the soldier who are making the sacrifice and a commitment to getting it right.
I’m sorry he was quiet this long and I hope there are more like him that will speak up and say what needs to be said, not what their superiors want them to say. It seemed to me that some of this is starting to happen. When Feingold was there, he made the comments about the information he was getting about the insurgents and how minimal the ‘foreign terrorists’ were in the insurgency equations – despite all the al-Qaeda Zarqawi emphasis we had been getting here (and now the story on the Zarqawi propaganda hits the news here).
I hope it means that the military is realizing at some operative levels that only disasters and bad decisions and unwarranted danger for troops and a destruction of the moral fiber of the military comes from the relentless pressure to support Bushreality over objective facts and military codes and convesntions.
It got to me – Newbold’s talk about the broken bodies of our returning soldiers and the sacrifices made by so many, without complaint. He makes me feel, not only his responsibility, but my own. It doesn’t feel good.
Teddy,
LGFers wrote why it is so wrong to have a filter. That was not my approach to this. I am not completely against filters for profanity if you do not want it, but when it comes to racial slurs and just down right hatred, what does that do?
It conceals the hatred. It allows people with those sentiments to continue to associate themselves with that site and keep coming back. Ultimately, it looks poorly on the site and opens it up for criticism. It appears (as it does to me) that LGF is willing to tolerate these sentiments, so long as they are directed at the common enemy among them.
Also, the banning of AOL accounts for anti-Jewish/anti-Israeli comments based on a common trait among the offenders, but why is banning only reserved for certain slurs aimed at certain groups?
All of this went against their own stated approach to comments – that they were “unmoderated” and comments would be deleted for being obscene or abusive – yet these kinds of attacks on Arabs and Muslims remained.
It is contradictory and one-sided.
(edited, 11:30pm)
Teddy — we got screen grabs of the filter in action. It’s hilarious.
From the Chicago Tribune (The newspaper that fought FDR on entering WWII)
“Bush’s words too slippery to clog leaks”
Published April 9, 2006
“President Bush was supposed to be the straight talker from Texas. It was that other fellow, the Arkansas Democrat who was famous for shaving the hairs off words as they passed his teeth. But now, I’m not so sure which one is truly the better word peeler. “I don’t know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information,” Bush told reporters in Chicago when asked about leaks on Sept. 30, 2003. “If somebody did leak classified information, I’d like to know it, and we’ll take the appropriate action. There are too many leaks of classified information in Washington. And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated the law, the person will be taken care of.”
He might take a look in the mirror…….
But the Texas Republican might be taking a page from that wily Arkansas hairsplitter. I can almost hear Bush say: “I guess it depends on what the definition of `leak’ is.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..i-news-col
this is the best yet on wapoopoo.rag.spot
Boy, Let me tell you, taking your dog to the emergency room at the veterinary hospital on a Sunday is incredibly expensive! Fortunately, my blue heeler Matilda is expected to make a fairly satisfactory recovery, with only a 35 – 40% loss of her olfactory receptors. We are told that with a lot of specialized rehabilitation, that she will regain a significant portion of her sense of smell.
The mistake, ultimately, was mine. Some would say live and learn, but it is hard for me to divorce myself so easily from a nagging guilt that simply will not recede. You see, when Matilda just a puppy, I taught her to run out into the front yard each morning, pick up the newspaper and bring it back to the house. As I have a rather large front yard, it can be a real time-saver when my wife and I are trying to get ready for work, especially with the paper boy’s propensity for throwing the paper to a completely different part of the yard each day. The Lithium seems to have helped some, but everyday is still a bit like Easter morning, hence our great relief when Matilda got the hang of ferreting out the Post and bringing it back to the front door.
For years, everything was fine. Lately however, It seemed to be taking her longer and longer to get back to the front door with the paper. My wife even remarked upon several occasions that as she ran back to the house with the paper firmy clenched between her canines, that her upper lip would be curled back as if the process were somehow extremely painful or upsetting. I just passed it of as her being over solicitous of Matilda, seeing as how she had spoiled three of our other children.
This morning, however, I stood at the screen door and watch her as she leapt of the porch and tore out into the yard in her usual search pattern to locate the errant bladder. Locating it lying right between the Mirandy and the Mister Lincoln, she proceeded to carefully edge in between the two trying to snag the Post without getting snagged herself by the barbs of the rosebushes. Just as her nose got close to the paper, she let out an excruciating sound that was somewhere between a moan, a yelp and a howl and flipped over on her back writhing and spasming momentarily before falling unconscious and inert, save for an occcasional twitch or shudder.
I instantly suspected that Ronnie the paperboy, who had seen Matilda perform her trick, had doctored the paper with some noxious substance. I screamed for Judy, my wife, that Mattie was having some kind of seizure, and to fire up the Volvo, while I ran over and scooped up both the paper and my lifeless dog. Fortunately, the traffic was light, being Sunday and we got to to the Vet in record time. As my wife had called ahead, the staff was waiting for us, and as we pulled up to a screeching stop, they whisked the payload out of my trembling arms and disappeared into the waiting room and through the swinging doors of the doggy ER.
Time seemed to slow to a crawl as Judy and I huddled together in the waiting room, hoping against hope for some shred of good fortune, or karma, or anything, but at the same time realizing that our darling Mattie might be torn from us. My thoughts momentarily turned to Ronnie, the paperboy, as I flicked through imaginary scenes of increasingly unspeakable retribution that would occur as a result of his little “practical joke.”
Finally, after what seemend like an eternity, Brian, our haggard looking vet slamed through the ER door, ripped off his exam gloves, and shakiing his head in fury announced, “Its Bullsh*t!”
“Was it chloroform, Brian, or ether, or what was it?” Judy began.
“No,” Brian fumed, “It was the editorial page in Post. It was pure, unadulterated, 100% bullsh*t – a concentration so strong that it almost killed your dog. The only thing that saved her was the totally contradictary news story at the front of the paper that acted as a partial antidote and saved Matilda.”
As he stood shaking his head I recalled my wife’s mentioning Mattie’s curled lip as she returned with the Post on recent mornings. Perhaps she was already sensitized by previous editions, like a baby chewing lead-based paint off the railing of it’s crib. Judy and I colapsed in each others arms, sobbing in relief and joy that our sweet, sweet Matilda was going to live!
I guess you know by now where this is going. As soon as we got home, I cancelled our subscription to the wapo. Since Dan Froomkin is online, we figure figure we still get to keep the best part of the reporting, and Judy and I have promised not to link to or open any pages from Woodward, or Brady, or Howell. We love our dog, and can’t risk a relapse.
Posted by: Pat Kofahl | April 10, 2006 02:17 AM
So, their little lgf brains must have de-filtering mechanisms: they type “raghead” which shows up on the comment as “Arab” which they read as “raghead.” Do they have de-coder rings too?
Here’s how the filter was addressed over there tonight within the comments section:
“I don’t get the criticism for Charles filtering out certain inflammatory racial epithets and substituting a more neutral word.”
Answered another commenter:
“It robs them of their attempts to seed the site with such phrases.
Or do you mean our own occasional posters who complain when they can’t enter t0welhead or r4ghead here?”
jane and John Casper,
I missed the quote from Jane that John just ran in #147 first time around. It is GREAT, and I posted it at http://playgoer.blogspot.com/ where they have a thread going which has pointed toward a bizarre relationship between the Graham family at WaPo and the New York Theater Workshop – Katherine’s son is on the board of NYTW, and has been director of the board.
Sunday’s WaPo ran a hit piece by staff writer David Segal, dissing “My Name is Rachel Corrie,” in the aftermath of the play’s cancellation by the NYTW.
Edward Teller– did you see this? My sweet sis sent me this:
Exasperation arrived the next night, in the form of a program titled “Alternative Radio: Music in a Time of War.†The left-wing historian Howard Zinn was interviewed by the equally left-wing Colorado radio host David Barsamian, and Kronos played interludes. Although I consider myself left of center, after an hour of Popular Front nostalgia, dark talk about the powers that be, and fulsome praise for the anti-Zionist play “My Name Is Rachel Corrie,†I couldn’t help wishing that Condoleezza Rice had been booked for the second half, to read policy papers on Iraq and play Brahms at the piano. My favorite moment came after Zinn said that free speech was being curtailed in America: a man in the balcony yelled “Amen!†and a woman near him yelled “Quiet!†The music came from the innocuous, folkish-wistful corner of the Kronos repertory. Tanya Tagaq’s performance, at the end, was joyously irrelevant to the preceding mutual-admiration society.
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/music/
Why else would you need a “slur filter” if your readers were not in fact racist?
It hides their racism, allows it to thrive beneath the surface (hence the title) and allows C.J. to claim they are not racist at the same time. One bird. Two stones.
angie – Hilarious! Somebody needs to sic the ASPCA on the WaPoo.
OT
With the article in the new Time by Lt. Gen. Kennon, we’ve had three flag officers call for the firing of Rumsfailed. Gen. Eaton spoke out on the 19th of March, Gen. Zinni last week, and now a retired marine. If you have not see his article do so. There’s a sense of shame that he couldn’t prevent a disaster.
This is never happened in our history with an army in the field. I heard that Bush and Rumsfailed were waiting for some good news for Rummy to retire on. I much more prefer him being tarred and feathered by the people he lorded over.
Troll
Phil -
When was I talking about Bush and oil right now? Just keep on trolling Phil.
you are right for sure! How dare those nuts at LGF be critical of muslims. There’s no problem at all with the ideolgy.
they are all peaceful, and all who say otherways are part of the zionist conspiracy!
Angie,
Thanks for the link!!! Alex Ross, the writer of the stuff your sister sent, is the best out there, except for the Village Voice’s Kyle Gann. We subscribe to the New Yorker and I save a lot of his stuff.
Funny review. Strange for three reasons – I just sent a packet of my music to Ross, who asked to see it, and my Rachel Corrie cantata is part of it; Ross does a good two paragraph Kronos Quartet synopsis at the same time I’m trying to write a similar one on them; and, Ross’s writing about the early Kronos reminds me I helped them get their first paying gigs back in the early 70s in Seattle. Dave Harrington, the founder of Kronos was concertmaster in a youth orchestra I helped found in Burien WA in 1961.
Matt O.,
Does the deal with banning AOL users have more to do with dialup AOL not having a static IP address? It used to change with every login which would make repeat ‘critics’ harder to get rid of or ban.
Great great post Matt, thanks for all the hard work exposing these hate filled racists.
tomboy #88,
“Within a minute or two, Charles posted personal info about me gleaned from his registration process, in violation of his user agreement. This created the desired affect of having the crazed maniacs attack me personally for much of the thread.”
Holy shit, do you happen to have a link to that so we can expose it better? What an unethical piece of shit Charles is to violate your rights and privacy. Get a screen shot if you haven’t already to document it in case it disappears.
We’re now averaging over 80,000 unique visitors a day. I guess we have to thank Charles Johnson for putting us over the top.
MM– since when did ‘our’ religion preach ideology that is not warlike? From the Crusades to G. W., we mean to conquer. Call it something different, ok? How about humans trying to dominate and control? How about encouraging the illiterate to rise up, both here and over there? How about not slamming religion? Neat idea, eh? Try blaming those belonging to the human race who use and twist everything for gain. You will sleep much better.
ET– weird review, agreed. My sis is way cool. Funny when the young ones are smarter than I am… ah well, gives me something to aspire to.
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Shez -
I posted his full message on it. I do not know the specifics about how he did it.
My issue with it was that he was banning readers for anti-Jewish/anti-Israeli comments (which is fine) but not for anti-Arab/anti-Muslim comments. How is that not an endorsement of the latter commens, given the different approaches?
I posted the evidence I have, of Charles’ racist posts (two that I found but I didn’t read every single post) and the racist/hateful comments of his readers, and asked a simple question: Why the discrepancy?
Additionally, LGF said their comments were “open and unmoderated” though they would delete abusive/obscene comments (good), but why didn’t they delete slurs, etc. (note the examples I posted above) towards Arabs and Muslims? Are those comments not “abusive and obscene”? And it is not like high traffic was that big of an issue early on (’01, ‘02) which there were these kind of comments then.
Finally, I found they employed a filter. They use it to cover up the slurs, probably because the Left was calling them racist. So instead of banning these people and deleting the comments (which would have proved they did not agree with the hatred and racism that they seem to attract), they are hiding their racism so these people keep coming back, and LGF can brush off racist claims.
MM-
“Onward Christian Soldiers, Marching as to war…”
night all
Jane and Christy– congratulations and well deserved!! You are the best, and I am happy for you. Chaz Johnson had a teensy bit to do with it– NOT– it’s you and your fan-effing-tastic grasp of the issues, your writing skills and your snark. Oh, and your acumen and hosting skills make it FDL and indispensable for me.
I’m saddened to see self-proclaimed “progressives” indulging in the very biggotry they claim to abhor.
I have faith that the rank and file of the Democratic Party doesn’t believe one iota of what Matt O. has written.
I’m a conservative. I voted for George W. Bush. I support the war in Iraq. I read LFG and Powerline.
Does that make me a racist?
incredulous,
Lipo
Philip -
Notice I said “much of the readership” – that does not accuse every last one of them.
Also, on the LGF page I am compiling, I make note that not all LGF readers are racist.
At no point do I say “conservatives” or “all conservatives” are racist.
So no, that does not make you racist.
Exactly Matt, and your distinction is right on. I still have AOL (which I need to get rid of now that I have broadband..lol) and regardless of what Charles claims were his reasons for banning AOL users I have a sneaky suspicion the non static IP addies drove his motives in some way just as much, althouigh I read somewhere AOL changed that policy. Back then it would have been in effect and drove him nuts.
Speaking of ‘regardless’, did anyone catch Rep Issa on C-Span the other day having his Quaylesque confused moment when he said, “Irregardless, (pause) if, uh, if that is a word…”, right on the House floor? LOL
good grief! anyone up for a snoopy dance? or shall i just go to sleep on top of the dog house with woodstock and snoopy? or maybe i should offer up my nickel to someone else to get some therapy and stop the lucy-isms.
From the official Peanuts website:
Lucy Van Pelt works hard at being bossy, crabby and selfish. She is loud and yells a lot. Her smiles and motives are rarely pure. She’s a know-it-all who dispenses advice whether you want it or not–and for Charlie Brown, there’s a charge. She’s a fussbudget, in the true sense of the word. She’s a real grouch, with only one or two soft spots, and both of them may be Schroeder, who prefers Beethoven. As she sees it, hers is the only way. The absence of logic in her arguments holds a kind of shining lunacy. When it comes to compliments, Lucy only likes receiving them. If she’s paying one–or even smiling–she’s probably up to something devious.
If you post a comment at http://www.rantburg.com, questioning if the average 1 death per day at the hands of terrorists, justifies the WOT, you will be banned outright and your IP number and full account details will be posted. The invitation to hackers is obvious. I am out of the country so suing the Baltimore based operator – Fred Pruitt (ex DIA) – is impractical. After a study, Maryland lawmakers chose to only permit disclosure of private phone numbers to police where there is valid law enforcement purpose for so doing. Posting TCP/IPs would be at least a civil wrong. Those protocols only facilitate info transfer and use for malicious purpose is injurious. An internet search reveals that Pruitt paid only $130,000 for his last home, however that lack of apparent wealth shouldn’t deter his victims from seeking redress. Rather than protest the smears of these racist would be killers, they could be sued into civility. Do you know anyone in Baltimore who would like to straighten up this Creep?
Which part of this fact do stupid lefties not understand?
Islam is not a race.
Iron Fist to Flaming Liberal
May not make us saints, but it puts ahead of your friends in the Islamofascist community.
This is one of the problems I have with their train of thought.
These people are aligning Muslim extremists with the actual faith, thus justifying their hatred of Islam.
If a Christian extremist bombed an abortion clinic, I have the common sense to know that this person and people like them, did not commit this act in the name of the real Christian faith, thus I am not posting messages on my blog to discredit the religion as a whole (just the hateful wingnuts).
Additionally, I am not opposed to an intellectual debate (and criticism) about Muslim extremism and reforming actual flaws within the real Islamic faith or any other religion for that matter. But merging the two (the real faith with the extremists) and making this a war on Islam serves no good purpose. It would only make the case for al-Qaeda recruitment that much stronger. If all Americans believed the two were the same thing, the terrorists we are fighting can point to it and say “You see, this is a war against Islam.”
Those of us on the Left that criticize hateful people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are not attacking Christianity but rather a bastardized version of it (as we should of all extremist variations of religions). Nor do we believe they represent the true Christian faith. But right-wingers that despise Islam cannot seem to figure this out. If we attack hateful evangelicals, we are anti-Christian by their definition (I think this kind of logic is similar to that of the ‘if you do not agree with us, you’re un-American’ argument).
Philip Davis, I’m reserved not conservative. I have many conservative friends amongst all the people from all walks of life I gladly interact with. Must have been that extensive military upbringing I had, and the manners my family taught me, to accept people for who they are and not try to control or judge other people who have their own free will, as long as they are not blatantly trying to harm or bully someone. So instead of coming here and criticizing our legitimate complaints complete with proof, at the same time you misspelled ‘bigotry’, why aren’t you over there guiding and chastising your racist brethen to become better and more tolerant citizens? Or are you terrified they will instantly flame you like they mistreat “most” people?
Then you go on like a nun talking about sex: “I have faith that the rank and file of the Democratic Party doesn’t believe one iota of what Matt O. has written.” Reaaaaally now, surely you jest you card you. The Democratic Party that has been the party to fight for civil rights and every single other policy to help humankind. Please name me ONE thing the Republicans have ever done for Americans, I want to see the House and Senate bills with links, if you can find any.
Because “Islam is not a race”, it okay to slur a religion you don’t agree with?
You trolls are on the wrong side of American history on this one.
Makes you realize how “progressive” the Founding Fathers really were.
Matt,
Certainly “much” doesn’t mean all, but there’s no mistaking the insinuation you were trying to make.
I find it offensive that you make such a careless accusation. By labeling your political opponents “racists” you cheapen the coin of the realm.
I could just as easily cherry pick comments from any number of left blogs and, using your logic and examples provided, arrive at the same conclusion. And I would be wrong.
That type of political rhetoric has no place in a civil discussion of the important issues of our day.
I strongly urge you to reconsider what you’ve written.
It is essential that the Democratic Party remain a viable alternative of energy and ideas. Cheap political rhetoric does nothing to advance the cause of solving our national problems.
Lipo
I’m no expert on the subject, but the term “Cultural Racism” comes to mind:
“Whereas post-reflective gut racism seeks to explain and justify racist attitudes in religious or scientific terms, cultural racism attempts the same thing in cultural terms. It involves prejudice against individuals because of their culture.”
http://aad.english.ucsb.edu/do…..l#cultural
Philip, here are a couple comments I posted outlining my intent on the post:
They miss the thrust of my argument. That a) Charles is misleading (no mention of a filter, but rather people figure it out on their own while claiming they are unmoderated… the use of a filter is not moderation?); b) Charles is selective in his bannings (anti-Jewish/Israeli is not allowed, but anti-Arab and anti-Muslim is fair game, and he will hide it with a filter); c) Charles has written racist remarks himself, which supports the idea that he is, ta da, racist himself; d) if these comments are so few, why are they left there when Charles said he would delete such comments in his own disclaimer?
And -
Should I have included “bigot” with “racist”? Yes, in the references to Muslims, I should have used “bigot.” That would be the only thing I’d change.
However, that does not change the biased methods of LGF to stamp out one slur and let the others (towards Muslims AND Arabs) continue and later hide them without the same consequence.
“So instead of coming here and criticizing our legitimate complaints complete with proof, at the same time you misspelled ‘bigotry’, why aren’t you over there guiding and chastising your racist brethen to become better and more tolerant citizens? Or are you terrified they will instantly flame you like they mistreat “most†people?”
Do you not understand that you are engaging the very behavior you proclaim to detest?
For God’s sake, man.
Lipo
Philip, that’s LADY to you and please don’t forget your manners. You are a “concern troll” and aren’t clever by half in trying to slip in your pathetic insults in general. Your reverse cheap political rhetoric isn’t winning any converts here or your delusive argument.
Also Philip,
Please show me the same kind of filth at liberal blogs. I am not aware of this kind of racist and bigoted flow of comments at liberal blogs. I do not recall a high number of comments on liberal blogs like this. I have not seen any liberal blogger post messages that are racist and bigoted, like Charles has.
In the LGF page, I noted LGF’s accusation of a DKos diary that used “Uncle Tom” and “Massah Bush” in the title and I think once or twice in the diary. Just about everyone that commented in that diary denounced those terms. At LGF, I do not see the same kind of reaction to Arab and Muslim slurs. Rather I see the opposite and others joining in.
179 kristinejoy says: “Because “Islam is not a raceâ€, it okay to slur a religion you don’t agree with?”
Absolutely, you idiot. The right to free speech gives you all you need to slur any idea or ideology such as Islam. In fact Islam is such a primitive religion, that it invites to be criticized and denigrated. Such as executing gays and women found guilty of adultery in mickey mouse courts where according to the Koran, Muslim women are counted only as half a witness. And I know Islam first hand.
If this cannot be criticized, then you are rightfully a “racist” (as per your own idiotic difinition of race) and a misogynist, to condemn Muslim women to servitude.
That’s right Matt, Kos allows conservatives and Republicans to post at dailykos, and just like here unacceptable wording is quickly denounced and strongly pointed out how distasteful and sleazy it is. So far the two latest trolls here don’t have a leg nor a scrap of proof or truth to stand on.
“Philip, that’s LADY to you and please don’t forget your manners.”
My apologies Shez.
“You are a “concern troll†and aren’t clever by half in trying to slip in your pathetic insults in general. Your reverse cheap political rhetoric isn’t winning any converts here or your delusive argument.”
Indeed. My pean to logic, reason and civility in political discourse goes unappreciated.
Lipo
OK that does it, get out the Trexitron, you don’t come here and call anyone idiots.
I can exercise free speech without slurs, or comments on others idiocy.
Hate speech is not protected speech. As a women (and a gay one at that-take that, Misogyny) I feel deeply for the injustice practiced by fundamentalist muslims, as it has often mirrored the rhetoric of the fundamentalist christians here in America.
Tolerance is the foundation of freedom.
Indeed. My pean to logic, reason and civility in political discourse goes unappreciated.
..and now I’m going to play the grahnd pyano.
Sorry. Stilted, high-brow prose does nothing to support your defense of the indefensible.
“Please show me the same kind of filth at liberal blogs. I am not aware of this kind of racist and bigoted flow of comments at liberal blogs.”
Why certainly.
Matt, the person i’m thinking of is you.
Glibly accusing your political opponents of racism is no substitute for intellectually honest political discourse.
It is political rhetoric of the most base.
Lipo
TY 4 putting light on these bigots -
Inshalla they will meet the sword -
Philip, I think you meant paean, but what the hell close enough, eh? Your first fatal mistake was to show up insulting our intelligence right off the bat. You dribble in with a half court press and missed your pick and roll, and the whole damn baseline. Now, if you want to ask us questions about how and why we feel the way we do and why we are having a Constitutional and Bill of Rights Crisis, problems with bigots, etc., then fine, we can certainly have a civil discourse.
I can’t believe it! I’ve been personally attacked by a troll.
Taking about making my late night worthwhile–Sniff, I feel a tear (and just a little bit of throw-up in my mouth).
FDL!
ROFL kristinejoy, welcome to The Too Much Fun Club – Chapter of FDL! You haven’t lived until you’ve been tickled by a troll. ;)
*tenderly pats the puke on the corner of your lip*
*tenderly pats the puke on the corner of your lip*
Sigh–so many late nights ending up the same way….
He touched me? I feel so dirty.
“Philip, I think you meant paean, but what the hell close enough, eh?”
Yes thank you.
“Your first fatal mistake was to show up insulting our intelligence right off the bat. You dribble in with a half court press and missed your pick and roll, and the whole damn baseline.”
I’m sorry if I insulted your intelligence.
“Now, if you want to ask us questions about how and why we feel the way we do and why we are having a Constitutional and Bill of Rights Crisis, problems with bigots, etc., then fine, we can certainly have a civil discourse.”
Very well.
Question 1:
How do we win the War in Iraq?
Question 2:
How do we stop the flow of illegal immigration across our southern border?
Question 3:
Assuming Iran refuses to suspend uranium enrichment what should we do?
Question 4:
In accusing the capitol hill police officer of racial profiling and the inappropriate touching and stopping of a female black congresswoman, was Congresswoman McKinney guilty herself of racism?
Thanks for your kind consideration.
Lipo
Wow. Sure wish I could write like that.
The racism charge is true. They just happen to be religious bigots as well.
Thanks Matt.
By what twisted logic does accusing someone of racism make that person a racist?
Oh wait. I get it– must be the same reason homophobic men show the most penile tumescence when exposed to gay porn.
Color me convinced.
“The racism charge is true. They just happen to be religious bigots as well.”
Christopher Hitchens is right. Some of you have lost your way.
Lipo
“TY 4 putting light on these bigots -
Inshalla they will meet the sword -”
Could you expand on that a bit, Bilal? That’s quite an interesting choice of words.
It sounds like a call to arms.
Lipo
Delurking to post this drivel…..speaking of racists pigs, just saw this over at the post blog. Just amazing. No shame. No conscience. Just blind loyalty. Wanted to get it on record somewhere before it gets deleted by someone.
Carrol, for chrissakes.
The question people should be asking is: Why isn’t Jill Carroll under indictment for treason? Um, she DID make propaganda videos for her country’s enemies in time of war. Doesn’t that MATTER?
Yes, she was under duress. So? Lots of people are under duress and they don’t commit TREASON. Hell, I’m under all kinds of stress every day and I don’t BETRAY MY COUNTRY. Toyko Rose was under duress, they say. SHE didn’t get off, and although she wasn’t executed as William Joyce (Lord Haw-Haw) was, she did do ten years, I think.
Carroll could have done the brave thing and killed herself rather than make those videos. But she took the easy way out. So, she saved her cowardly skin. But now she should have to pay the price.
The only question really is, is Carroll’s case like Tokyo Rose’s or Lord Haw-Haw’s? Her ACTIONS were similar to both. The only question is, should she get off with a stiff prison term or should she face the death penalty?
I would say the latter, but things being as they apparently are, I’d settle for the former.
Posted by: Floyd Alvis Cooper | April 10, 2006 04:28 AM
Oh Philip, Philip, Humor Has It… that you think I’m going to go into some long impassioned treatise with you on your totally expected questions of dire import. Tell you what, I’ll lightly humor you for shits and giggles to assuage your feigned curiosity so that you can get to sleep.
Question 1:
How do we win the War in Iraq?
Iraqnam? Iraq the Illegal Occupation that Bush and the WHIG’s lied through their fucking teeth to wage? We’ve already lost it.
Question 2:
How do we stop the flow of illegal immigration across our southern border?
I’m Chippewa Native American, I’d say illegal immigration has been going on since circa 1492.
Question 3:
Assuming Iran refuses to suspend uranium enrichment what should we do?
What are you going to do about suspending uranium enrichment in this country first and disarming all the evil nuclear warheads and keeping our word on treaties? Oh yes, see #2 above, I know how very well treaties are kept.
Question 4:
In accusing the capitol hill police officer of racial profiling and the inappropriate touching and stopping of a female black congresswoman, was Congresswoman McKinney guilty herself of racism?
Sigh. You’re taking me away from the hilarious comments on the WaPoo blog over that odious false piece of crass so called journalism ‘A Good Leak’. Which means I don’t have the desire to waste my valuable time looking for the “incident” that was cited earlier of another Rep, a white rich priveleged male I believe, that smacked (?) someone but of course got away with it. Perhaps someone else here has it handy and you can ’splain that.
But, aren’t all of your questions simply trying to deflect the fact Bush is a lying, cheating, mentally ill, menace to society, sick fuck piece of shit that the whole world detests? Hope you and yours have fun traveling to any countires for the next couple hundred years because of Bush. Feel all better now?
Troll
IP 68.206.66.106
Phillip 199
Here are some answers to your questions.
“Question 1:
How do we win the War in Iraq?”
We don’t. Bush lost it.
“Question 2:
How do we stop the flow of illegal immigration across our southern border?”
Well, the same way we stopped the flow of Irish in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Why, did you know at one point, it was so bad that legislators in Massachussetts wanted to build special asylums to house the Irish?
In short, we just quit worrying about the Irish, since eventually it became pretty clear that they were not, in fact, polluting our race. 50 or 100 years from now, this Mexican hoo-hah is going to look as silly as the anti-Italian or anti-Irish hoo-hah does now.
“Question 3:
Assuming Iran refuses to suspend uranium enrichment what should we do?”
Let’s try containment. That worked like a champ against the USSR. Did we make communism go away by bombing it away, or containing it away? What we should NOT do is some sort of crazy unilateral nuclear Pearl Harbor first strike against Iran.
It’s a shame Bush got us bogged down in Iraq. Makes it harder to respond to threats elsewhere, doesn’t it?
I don’t have an answer to 4, since I haven’t really been following the McKinney thing.
“But, aren’t all of your questions simply trying to deflect the fact Bush is a lying, cheating, mentally ill, menace to society, sick fuck piece of shit that the whole world detests?”
No Shez, I was actually wondering what you thought. Now I know.
Funny thing was I was actually hoping for some constructive, thoughtful analysis.
Pardon my naivete.
By the way, do you notice how I assume this tone of William F. Buckleyesque superiority? That kind of lip curling disdain for all those I consider beneath me, like you people? That’s what passes in my world for inteligent debate: find an irrelevant distinction in the argument of those who oppose me,assume an air of snoty superiority, reach for a witty line while using a mulstisyabic word with Latin roots, and wait for my own audience to cheer me.
I’m purposely ignoring that the point of your whole right ring racsist series is not to out just Charles Johnson, but the whole right wing movement to which I owe my fealty. So, I come in here, make arguments about irrelevant subject,s all in an attempt to hijack your thread. Nevermind that I learned about this thread from Charles Johnson.
But the truth is, I’m a coward. I’m afraid of you people, which is why I’m here and you’re not nippping at my heels over at LGF.
Lipo
Worth checking out if you haven’t seen this yet:
Maryscott O’Connor on The Big Story (transcript)
John Gibson All right. Maryscott, let me put it this way. If the candidates you support were to win in September, and Democrats take over the House again, would I be correct in assuming you would want them and you could expect them to either censure or impeach George Bush?
Maryscott O’Connor: I would expect both parties to impeach George W. Bush, because it’s a question of honor and principle.
Gibson interrupts, asking if she means Republicans too.
Maryscott O’Connor: Yes, absolutely! The Republicans were behind the push against Nixon. I *long* for the days of the Republicans in Nixon’s era.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/9/84114/95599
Or click my name
morning, firepups! i haven’t read the whole monster of this thread, but i had a Plame point to make. on the date of declassification, according to fitz.
i know bush is a liar, but it seems he’s also stupid. try not to fall over in shock. ;-)
Picking out comments on a website and claiming they say something about the site owner is dishonest and more so if the site gets hundreds if not thousands of comments a day. I’m sure it is possible to take the same approach as you have to most popular blogs and ‘prove’ things about them.
What matters is what Johnson himself says.
His comments on Islam cannot be racist as he is criticising a belief not a race. He is as much entitled to criticise one belief as you to criticise another, conservatism.
The only claim that has any validity is that Johnson ascribes certain traits to ‘Arabs’. The issue then is is Arab a race or ethnicity.
So while you bask in the sunny praise of people who will always agree with you consider why when trying to ‘prove’ a charge of racism you had to blur race with religion and ethnicity.
Calling people racist just because you disagree with them simply devalues the word’s meaning and aids the true racists.
Chicago dyke:
Nice catch. I’ve been reading all the discussion around the blogosphere debating that very question. From Fitz’ own words no less.
I like the “firepups” tag. I’m no where in the FDL league, but firepup allows for room to grow from a token immitation dog to one of the big dogs.
thanks suzanne. i probably won’t be around when the grrls wake up, so if someone would make sure it gets pointed out to them i’d appreciate it.
Is there a story behind the name Little Green Footballs? It just sounds psychotic.
chicago dyke, Mornin’! yes, it’s nice to use Fitz’ official words isn’t it. It even reminds me that the CIA approached the DOJ to investigate the outing of one of their NOCs and her whole undercover front company, that destroyed hundreds of CIA lives, caused Goddess knows how many to hence be killed all over the world since they were outed too, and wiped out years of WMD research and investigation totally endangering our National Security for decades to come. Heckava job there BushCo.
I’m wondering what Christy is going to start out with this morning. There is just so much to choose from, Fitz’ investigation, doubtful declassifications, illegal spying on Americans, the imploding Rethugs, Joe’s lack of committment to the Democratic Party, and I believe there are some Court dates coming up this week.
Don’t you think it might be fun to show up at the Howie Kurtz chat to talk about yesterday’s debacle at the Post? I just want to get a feel for the tension between the editorial side and the news side at the Post this morning. Could be fun…
LoL AJ sounds like fun! What time is the chat? Question #1 – So just how much is the WH and the Lincoln Group paying you to carry their propaganda water to pretend to be a journalist?
Islam is not a race.
Honor killing is not rational.
Arabs are not all muslims. Muslims are not all Arabs.
A racist is someone who wins an argument with a liberal. I read that somewhere and thought it was cute. It works better than “I know you are but what am I?” Facts are not my friends. The people in the vents are my friends.
A person cannot cough up their spleen, no matter what the neorepugnazis tell you.
Don’t buy the hype.
Question #2 – Howie, is there is a difference in the paid amounts from the WH depending on whether said payment is going to a Post Reporter or to a Post Editor?
Re: #216, what’s behind the name?
(This is gonna get EPUd, but oh well.)
Charles is quite coy about the meaning of Little Green Footballs. He has said that there was a private story behind it that came up on a trip to Asia (sorry, cant find the link where I read that), but has never (afaik) revealed what that story is.
Here’s a purely speculative guess, but it just might be vile enough to reach the depths of LGFhood.
The United States army used frag grenades in Vietnam that were painted green and were oval shaped. If you tell the Vietnamese children that they’re actually Little Green Footballs, they might play with them, and accidentally blow themselves up.
This is just speculation, but I could see Charles Johnson advocating the murder of children of other races, couldn’t you?
pablo, you make good points except this line:
“A racist is someone who wins an argument with a liberal.”
Closed minded ignorant racists never ever win, especially against us intelligent open minded liberals. The racists and bigots will learn much too late that karma is indeed a boomerang.
I’m at work but I just got to Fitz!
I logged onto one of those word-generators this morning out of curiosity.
I typed in “Patrick”. It responded with “JACKHAMMER”.
I then typed in “Fitzgerald” and it gave me “ROTTWEILLER”.
Fitz- The “JACKHAMMIN’ ROTTWEILLER”
I love firedoglake!
PS. JANE & REDD: When I type in “firedoglake” I get “COWPUNCHER”. I KID YOU NOT.
Phew! I think we need a new thread, the stench from under-the-bridge is a bit much!
Chicago dyke — good job, that bit; if the grand jury cannot discern the material in question was other than classified, why should we believe this was anything but a breach? This is where the Bushistas will try to play plausible deniability; is it plausible that Bush verbally declassified the info, but it was not marked as such, in keeping with the terms of the Executive Order Amendment from March ‘03?
I just sent Lil Debbie at the Post a quick note asking her if the Post will hold those 2 sneaky, prying, nosey reporters with their ‘facts’ responsible for undercutting that editorial “A Good Leak”.
Morning Rayne, yes the trolls have been glowing in the dark they are so radioactive. Rarely do I engage in their weak attempts but it was kinda sorta on topic and besides…the trex machine got put on the charger from extra use. ;)
rayne- as i said over at my place, i’m no expert and i’m generally just confused by all this. i’ve never once understood the “why” behind the leak, (not counting the real reason) what rationale supports leaking of this nature? it can’t be said to have helped anything, and thus i cannot understand why the wingnuts think it defensible.
What’s a word generator?
And what’s up w/the site site tofday? Huge time lag between typing and words showing up on the screen.
Thank you for this post. The facts are the facts: Johnson posts inflammatory, out-of-context materials, then allows his followers to post disgusting, racist items. He will then delete any racist comments against non-Muslims, or postings critical of him, Bush, or any number of things.
He tries to keep his hands clean, but they are filthy. How anyone could advertise with Pajamas Media is beyond me.
THIS LITTLE POST LAYS OUT THE WHOLE SORRY TALE. IT’S A DOOZY….
Murray Waas is Our Woodward Now
“Not only is Woodward not in the hunt, but he is slowly turning into the hunted. Part of what remains to be uncovered is how Woodward was played by the Bush team, and what they thought they were doing by leaking to him, as well as what he did with the dubious information he got.”
chicago dyke — I don’t know that we’ll ever really grasp the “why”, any more than we grasp the “why” behind Nixon all these years later. Sure, we can agree that Nixon was a paranoid control freak willing to ratf*ck anyone to assuage his paranoia, but do we really understand this mentality? I don’t think Nixon was psychotic, but he clearly operated in a zone that I can’t mentally enter. In spite of that, Bush makes me yearn for Nixon; I think Tricky Dick’s Quaker-ish background kept him from tripping into full-blown delusions of grandeur. And don’t get me started on that freak Cheney…
Good Morning Evreyone,
Chicago dyke, I, too like the firepups tag and good catch on the declassificatoin date – a nice am chewtoy for the crew here
Tbogg posted a ‘comeback’ from some guy named McCain over at his site, and he clearly posted it to illustrate how pathetic and challenged these little beasts are, but it unnerved me – I actually worried about TBogg’s safety, these cowards attract even lesser evolved creatures and I had flashbacks to that poor DJ in Denver who was murdered 20+ years ago for calling these people on their shit – don’t mean to sound wimpy, but they can be so creepy
LOOSEHEADPROP: If you google “word generator” you can see. They are all different. Some just give random words and others give you expanded words. If I am writing a letter or something sometimes it just gets me going. Kind of silly, I guess. But I thought it was pretty cool wrt Fitz.
The word switching device (raghead = Arab) will not work so well in regards to Iranian “ragheads” that they may wish to blather on about.
Iranians are not Arabs. Not that the LGF idiots know or care.
I can answer question 2 Phillip. Possibly raise the minimum wage and give American employees free healthcare just like the immigrants get? Just a thought……
New Poll out from WP- Clusterfuck at 38%- lowest rating ever in that poll- other stuff same as other polls- (everyone hates Iraq etc.)
Oh, and Phillip, how to win the war is to send in the people who started it–all those bright college republicans……
rwcole: 38%- is that padded?
Deliberatly EPUed a post at “doublre Barrel Shotgun” thread below. Comment 151.
Please feel free to repost in an appropriate theread. It links to the declassifed portions of the NIE. Only 14 pages of a much longer Document were actually declassifed. WHat Fitz has got, I’m sure, will turn in part on the difference beteen what was declassified and whaht was actually leaked
Closed minded ignorant racists never ever win, especially against us intelligent open minded liberals.
You missed the point, Shez. According to the liberal droning, one becomes a racist by virtue of winning an argument with said liberal.
In other words, when a liberal runs out of ammo, they default to charges of racism, like clockwork. And by ammo, I certainly don’t mean facts, because you people marshal way to many facts, with hyperlinks in your comments, for my taste. I prefer verbal sophistry and a tone of superior indulgence to actual facts.
Notice that it’s the “intelligent, open-minded liberals” who insist that those stupid brown people can’t handle Democracy at the point of our guns, and it’s the racist, evil conservatives that are helping them do just that by overruning their country and killing uncounted tens of thousands.
Racism? Islam is not a race, it is an ideology, therefore it is logically sound to criticize adherents of that ideology.
Racism? Oh, you mean like this?
And terror is not a war. It is an emotion.
No, terror is a TACTIC in a WAR. I agree that calling the conflict we are fighting, for our very survival, the “War on Terror” is a misnomer. It would be like calling WW2 after Pearl Harbor the “War on Naval Aviation.” We should call this war something else, like the “War on Islamic Facism.”
I used to go to LGF all the time. I stopped, largely because of the tone of the comments section. A few posters there are basically freaks who call for genocide. I could name names, but what’s the point? Charles should have banned them years ago, and they are still there, not merely “critical” but hateful.
Well, I guessd I hate some too. I hate the people who would kill my family for their birth. I hate the loathesome apologists for Islam that lie about there being no compulsion in religion under Islam, who buy into every weasel worded moral equivalence available to justify atrocity, and who hide their smug racism under pretensions of egalitarian multiculturalism. I hate the way normative Islam is fascinated by its own fantasies about Jews, and people, knowing this as an obvious psychosis, still give them rein to slander and libel the nation of Israel.
But I wouldn’t call for death. I wouldn’t allow someone to do it on my site.
And I can’t countenance somebody else calling for it either. Sorry Charles. Your site does a lot of good, and hatred is not always bad. Betimes people need it, but its an emotion that is best identified plainly as such, targetted very carefully, expressed responsibly and with an eye to the consequences and all the relevant facts, and not excused or justified, or waffled away with “He did it too.”
Although now I tread through some of the comments here, and I can’t say that its a lot less of a partisan freak zone.
Take a look at what Phillip Davis says in his #183 post, an excerpt:
“So instead of coming here and criticizing our legitimate complaints complete with proof, at the same time you misspelled ‘bigotry’, why aren’t you over there guiding and chastising your racist brethen to become better and more tolerant citizens? Or are you terrified they will instantly flame you like they mistreat “most†people?â€
Do you not understand that you are engaging the very behavior you proclaim to detest?”
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Now this from my own #26 post the other night on the Gilliard thread:
Regarding how to best respond to it (racism, bigotry), I think there are more than one effective ways. I imagine that as heterogenous as people are, there are various ways to respond that affect different people for a similar outcome . Pouncing is generally best when you have an isolated event. However, repeated ‘pouncing’ perhaps can have an undesired effect, especially if such a response has to be repeated many, many times. A wingnut on a diverse forum where I post has a favorite comeback phrase “You become what you despise.†When one wishes to help otherwise good people caught up in the fray gain insight into their unwitting collusion, repeatedly pouncing or acting angrily can be experienced by those who you attempt to persuade as symptomatic of the kind of behavior you decry. But pouncing definitely has its merits.
When I come across a matter that I suspect is generally out of people’s awareness of themselves, I attempt to draw together glaring examples from the past with examples in the present in an emotionally even way, and I let them dwell on it. The power is not in the pouncing, but in the persistence. People tend to own things they figure out themselves and resist things pounded into them. You just have to be comitted for the long haul and repeat the pairing of examples over and over. Most people will eventually be able to see the positive 3-D meaning, and once they do, it’s a newly acquired tool that is usually permanent.”
Case in point. If through a persistent reasoned technique you get around this defensive barrier, “you become what you despise”, they are a whole lot closer to self-examination.
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Shez – see you upstairs; sure hope all the trexinators are fully charged now, sure looks like we’re going to need them.
And ditto that bit about 1492 — the Pacific Islander in me agrees whole-heartedly. I wonder that we didn’t “Cook” more than one Captain…
“And ditto that bit about 1492 — the Pacific Islander in me agrees whole-heartedly. I wonder that we didn’t “Cook†more than one Captain… “
And of course, no one will scream racism…………..
You talk about “cultural superiority” being bad, racist… and the cherry-topping “white” supremecist…
What proof do you have that all cultures are equal? Why do you think cultures that do this:
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=…..amp;y=2006
are somehow equal to ours?
Hey y’all,
I know it makes you guys feel more secure emotionally to think the worst of the people you disagree with, but it doesn’t make you any less wrong.
sorry/
peter.
We are happily and unapologetically partisan. What we are not is filled with a desire to eliminate – that is exterminate – people.
BokerTov: do you really want to get into that? We have our own hstory of genocide. But the whole “whose culture is better” argument is just a way to rationalize simple thinking with a bent toward mass murder.
It’s not only sloppy thinking; it’s evil. Splinter groups of people within in any nation, group or culture will undertake atrocities. While we recognize this, and take a balanced view of human nature and its dark side, including in our own culture, people like you presume the world far more simply is comprised of good “cultures” and bad ones, to justify your will to kill.
I lost a childhood friend in the Twin Towers, and I live within sight of the Pentagon. I watched it smolder from my window. Don’t claim some sort of superior empathy with the fallen here that you don’t possess. New Yorkers didn’t piss themselves and fall for our country’s stupid crusade because they have more courage and insight than war supporters do.
“Mooselimbs”??
Where does that one come from?
Lemme take that up by BokerTov
Yes, we have outr own history of nastiness. Every people does. But some people institutionalise their nastiness, and justify it.
People like me look around the world and see cultures I can live with, and cultures that would kill or enslave me. People like me don’t like the latter. People like me recognise, on a slightly different topic, that the problem with normative Islam, is that its triumphalist exchatology is both combined with a political element, and it is normative, not splinter. People like you call me “eliminationist”, and that I justfy my will to kil. I’m not either, and you are a liar, a slanderer, and a knee jerk bigot for levelling that accusation.
In a word: a typical internet liberal, not much, if any, better than those you decry.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Are christian movements able to be described with one broad brush? Some are eliminationist, some very peaceful.
That you are willing to reduce Islam to some monochromatic definition, in a way you likely would not when describing Christendom, betrays the paucity of your thinking and the bloodlust of your passions.
Now, I didn’t label you as eliminationist, but I did characterize a mode of thought. If you felt personally outed, the application of the label is yours.
We don’t tolerate personal attacks or namecalling here, so you’ve overstepped the boundaries of civil discourse. No one here is surprised.
I actually do want to “get into that” I am not afraid of open debate. I was raised in a “liberal” household and only changed my mind after visiting the Middle East personally.
I do not claim any uber-empathy with the events of 9-11, nor will I go into my own experience with that particular event. Instead, here is your chance, convince me with something other than ad hominem.
Yes, I realize the U.S. has committed atrocities of its own. That just means all human institutions are flawed, not that they are all EQUALLY flawed. Is Hamas a “splinter group”? They were elected democratically, or do you dispute that election?
I do NOT believe that (at the least) 90% of muslims in the U.S. want to destroy our country. I DO think that is the exception rather than the rule world-wide. Does this mean I think we should kill ALL muslims? No. I DO think that we should start recognizing though that the ideology that we are fighting is based on Islamic teachings. If moderate muslims want to “take back” their religion that is their concern and not mine.
Rather, my concern is the alarming double standard given to Islam vs. other world religions that is currently fashionable on the Left. What happened to Freedom of Speech over Sensitivity for example?
So far:
Our Side = Freedome of Speech & Women’s Rights
Their Side = ??
Please try to argue for the equality of their culture more specifically instead of just saying believing my culture is superior means I am for genocide. Because I am most definitely not.
The cultural equality argument is a red herring. What is germane is what we should do to advance and protect out interests as a country.
That you confuse the later with the former – and impute to me an argument I have never made – betrays the poverty of your logic and the bias toward bloodletting in your ideology.
Matt O, do you not see the hypocrisy in accusing LGF readers of treating all Muslims as extremists, when you yourself are doing the exact same thing with regard to LGF readers?
There have been over 2.6 million comments posted on LGF, and the vast, vast majority have no racist slurs or rhetoric at all. And Charles himself, far from being anti-Muslim, regularly posts favorably about Muslims who stand up against the extremists that have hijacked Islam. It’s not his fault that there aren’t more of them in the news to blog about.
Play by your own rules, Matt. And maybe you could save a tiny little bit of your righteous indignation for the Islamic extremists whose atrocities Charles holds up for all to see.
Mat’s point has been that the right wing in this country is suffused by passionate racists, propelling a movement and set of policies often under a veneer of respectability, unconfronted by those on the right wing who clean up better. Why? Because it gets votes. The political establishment of the right exploits these sentiments through rhetoric and dog whistle politics.
This is not about LGF. We have always conceded that not all Republicans are racist. But Republican politics play to racists and racial fear mongering to support a war agenda and pro-plutocracy agenda.
If you don’t like being associated with a movement suffused by virulent racists, then purge them from your ranks. Until then, stop whining. We delete hate speech here. LGF doesn’t. By failing to do so, LGF encourages it, its disclaimers notwithstanding.
But let’s face it: non-racist Republicans will never purge their racists, because to do so would alienate the base of the party and destroy the party.
Pachacutec: So you do not think all cultures equal? Because my original comment was addressed to the author where he clearly states “Readers that claim a moral, religious, racial and cultural superiority are consumed with an unfathomable hatred for Muslims and Arabs.” (emphasis mine)
So perhaps if you did not agree with all of the authors beliefs you shouldn’t be defending them? Otherwise your refusal to open debate the merits of one culture vs. another = a win for my side.
Anyone else want to try and convince me? C’mon, win my heart and mind, it IS possible but it requires more than a pseudo-poetic refrence to my “ideology” being about “bloodletting”
Some political practices are better than others. People are people. “Culture” is a red herring invoked in these discussions by those consumed with notions of “superiority” as applied to people, rather than practices. Once you cross that line to notions or superior people, you’re into national socialism-like territory.
I’ll probably repost this cuz it’s lste in this threa and I want everyone to realize;
the president does not need aby furthe autherization in his own mind to attack Irab, he will use his war powers to claim the right and congress will not be approached.
and congress will still not fil their oath of office in oversight
Ahhh but it takes people to actualize a “practice” no? I agree people have equal rights, but those rights change as you choose certain actions.
If you kill someone, for example, your rights may be curtailed. In this country that means a loss of gun-ownership and voting privilege for starters.
However, if I merely choose to stop being a muslim in a muslim controlled nation I am subject to death. My only recourse is to leave my home and family behind.
The current scoreboard:
My “culture” (call it gov’t, nation, or rule of law if you like): Freedom of Speech, Women’s Rights, Freedom of Religion
The other side: ??
Again, I am not advocating genocide as a solution here. Rather, I am willing to fight those who would curtail my rights illegally, or those of my allies.
I repeat, the salient question is, “What is the best way to defend and promote American interests?” I would add another “What is the moral course of action?”
The answer to either question does not include wars of aggression against those who have not attacked us, based on sophistry about “culture.”
So then it seems fair to ask, “Whose interests does framing the current global situation in terms of ‘culture’ serve?” Certainly bin Laden frames the question in those terms. He could have wished for no better ally in his crusade than the current administration.
On point:
http://www.time.com/time/magaz…..29,00.html
Again: Islam is not a race. Racism is logically unacceptable because a person cannot choose or change their ethnicity. Islam is an ideology, entirely under the control and choice of the person holding to that ideology, and therefore a legitimate target of criticism. That the wielders of power in Islam suppress by force the choices of those who would abandon the ideology is just proof of the inferiority of their ideology when compared with Western liberal democracies, which do not enforce ideology with physical force.
Therefore, to equate the cultures which do use such force with those that don’t, and to brand critics of Islam as racists, is simply specious.
Islam is a religion. It is not a political idoeology. To conflate the two is specious. Islam is compatible with many political practices and ideologies, according to the predilections of individual adherents. The same is true of Christianity.
Some forms of Christianity are hostile to liberal government. Some are not. The same is true of Islam.
Islam is not a political ideology. Why do you errantly insist that it is?
The moral course of action for any person or country is self-defense, opposing any who initiate or threaten to initiate physical force. The United States is not the party which initiated physical force in the War Against Islamic Fascism. We were attacked by brutal murderers, and those who harbor or support them are just as complicit as those who physically perpetrated those attacks, just as a person who harbors, supports, aids, or abets a murderer or armed robber is guilty of a violent criminal offense.
The quotations that you cite are quite tame. Islam is religion, not a race. Noting the correlation between Islam and Big Trouble is not a prejudiced view, it is a response to actual events. Noting that an Arab can hold multiple contradicting ideas is not racist idea– it is an idea about a culture, and is again a response to actual events. “Raghead” is an insult, of course. People are angry, and scared, about a religion that has an aggressive, intolerant, and violent tendency to propagate itself at the point of a sword. Look at Europe– take a good look. They are committing slow suicide by political correctness. Being against Islam is similar to a leftist being against Big Business– people fear a destructive organization based on its actions.
You can find other posts at LGF that advocate a nuclear strike on Iran, and other extreme and stupid ideas– this does not indict all the other people who post there. You have not demonstrated that LGF is racist. Please tell me, is Islam a race?
Going after Afghanistan made sense. The aggression against Iraq had no justification. Iraq had no operational connection to, and had provided no support to, al Qaeda.
We’re getting rather far afeild and I can’t hang around much longer today. Reasoned, respectful debate is always welcome here.
I have deleted posts in this thread wishing death to any number of people, including me. I have alsoe deleted race based calumnies and other eliminationist rhetoric.
If you can play by the rules here, there’s no problem with a variety of points of view.
“The answer to either question does not include wars of aggression against those who have not attacked us, based on sophisty about “culture.—
And now we get to the crux of the disagreement. I think saying that muslim-dominated countries have not attacked “us” is a lie. I doubt you’ll care but a list of all such attacks can be found here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
If, as I suspect, you won’t even consider such evidence please dismiss the WTC attacks, the USS Cole, the slaughtering of journalists et al and the 7/7 London bombing with your “They’ve never attacked us” poverty logic.
Or fall back on the impossible and childish “We attacked them first” idea. Oh, and if you feel like falling into the racist trap (oh sweet irony) how about addressing the attacks against Israel, a U.N.-created country that is our ally? Surely you don’t think the Palestinians deserve missiles launched at them for bombing civilian populations?
Your idea that this is about how to best protect our country/national interests is the REAL red herring since you have 8 years of Clinton attempting NOT to enrage the muslim world and the WTC + other attacks as a result.
Source
Source
Those are only two examples. I could find hundreds of quotes from Islamic religious and political leaders denying that Islam makes a separation between religion and politics. What is your response to that?
Saddam had connections with Al Qaida, but that is just ONE organization. Did he sit down with the planners of 9/11? *shrug* who knows? Was he somebody who we should have trusted when he said “I’ve got no WMD”? Absolutely not.
Care to dismiss this evidence against Saddam:
http://www.captainsquartersblo…..006687.php
I’m a psychologist. Every individual and society holds multiple conflicting views. That’s human nature.
The cause of offensive action is human nature, not religion per se. There are people here in the US whose religious point is relevant to this passage:
People are angry, and scared, about a religion that has an aggressive, intolerant, and violent tendency to propagate itself at the point of a sword.
Many of those people populate the comments at LGF, and having a president speak in terms of a “crusade” does not dissuade people from thinking the US in engaged in religious holy war. Some in this country manifestly are, and they are not friends of free speech or the Bill of Rights.
Christianity in the West went through a profoundly illiberal, pre-enlightnement period where it supported the politics of conquest. That is what we see in many nation states today identified with Islam. This is a human political phenomenon, not one localized to any religion.
The EU is thriving. Many holders of US dollars are looking at the EU and considering holding Euros rather than dollars, since our drunken, irresponsible war economy is held aflaot by massive foreign debt.
As I said, I have to go out. I’ll let others chime in, if there are any left attending to this thread.
:Islam is a religion. It is not a political :idoeology. To conflate the two is specious.
Demosthenes said it is an ideology, not a political ideology, you sneaky weasel!
:Some forms of Christianity are hostile to :liberal government. Some are not. The same is :true of Islam.
Agreed.
:Islam is not a political ideology. Why do you :errantly insist that it is?
He didn’t.
Ditto at LGF.
“That you are willing to reduce Islam to some monochromatic definition, in a way you likely would not when describing Christendom, betrays the paucity of your thinking and the bloodlust of your passions.”
No prarchutec, I did not reduce Islam to a monochromatic definition. Read what I said, please. Demonstrate the monochromatic definition, not by psychiologising, but by what I said.
“Now, I didn’t label you as eliminationist, but I did characterize a mode of thought. If you felt personally outed, the application of the label is yours.”
You characterised a mode of thought which you assigned without evidence to a particular argument which was not developed in a sufficient way to justify your accusation. By doing that, you slandered every person who advances any similar argument. In a word, prejudice. So now we have you lying about what I said, and demonstrating overt prejudice towards a group of only vaguely similar arguments, and slander , and prejudice. If this is a personal attack, it is based on your demonstrable behavior towards actual people That is opposed tp your pseudoimpersonal attacks, based on prejudice.
“We don’t tolerate personal attacks or namecalling here, so you’ve overstepped the boundaries of civil discourse. No one here is surprised. “
You overstepped that a long time ago, when you decided that someone who points out a set of salient facts about normative Islam is “eliminationist”. It isn’t civil discourse to accuse an opponent of bloodlust. So that makes you a liar about that too. As to “no one” being surprised, whoever said anyone was. Most internet forums degenerate into polarised echochambers. The fact that you can call your disgusting smear “civil discourse” demonstrates that you have passed well beyond the point where you, or anyone who will take up cudgels to defend your discourse, is actually amenable to reason. An iplicit accusation is stll an accusation: an implicit lie, and implicit slander, these are still lies and slanders. You have lied. You have slandered. You have dressed it up all fancy, but to no end. No one here is surprised. Delete away, my dear, delete away.
A comment that simply stated facts to support a point of view was deleted. Apparently the facts were not welcome. This web site is not what it appears to be. It is a fraud. How Stalinist.
The Hilterites are screaming “Stalinism”. How retro.
-GSD
Troll
“Hitlerites.” What do you base this on? The deletion was Stalinist in the sense of erasure of an unwelcome of point of view, rather than attempting to debate it. And you say “screaming.” In what way? This post, if it survives, contains two questions. Please answer them.
Shez #164
Here is my original comment
http://littlegreenfootballs.co…..9449#c0018
And here is where Charles posted to everyone where my email address comes from, after people are inquiring about my origins and why I had deigned to comment on their blog.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co…..9449#c0032
And here is an example of where readers make wild guesses about my politics, my credentials, etc. due to Charles’ violation of his own privacy policy.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co…..9449#c0127
It is sort of funny to look back on all the comments about how “biased” that first CBS poll was, since it has been confirmed by every poll since.
My original point is that Charles Johnson knows EXACTLY what his commenters are writing. He responded to my lone comment within ten minutes with a disclosure of personal information that his user agreement said he would not disclose.
Also, here is a great response to me that relates directly to the rest of this thread. It shows how a personal attack on me can morph into an attack on all muslims.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co…..9449#c0113
Such an argument would be the equivalent of framing Christianity by the lunacy of Pat Robertson and the rest of the evangelical right.
Actually, a comparison to Eric Rudolf would be even more apt.
So typical of the left. No substantive arguments. If you disagree with our multicultuarist lemming dive off the cliff you must be a racist. Nothing new here.
Nazi troll.
Troll
Re: Tomboy, # 284 and 285.
#284: Your links just document that you were a rather unsuccessful troll on LGF.
#285: Has he ever stated that he is unaware of what people are posting? His website states that the posts do not necessarily reflect his views, which is a ubiquitous, standard disclaimer.
Pachacutec: Invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam was not a “war of agression”. The US, or any other free nation, has every moral right to overthrow a dictatorship at any time.
Troll
and neither is arab a race.
What #290
My links document how Charles will violate his own user agreement to discourage any differing opinions on his site and the close attention he pays to each and every thread. It also shows he will let you know when he disagrees with you by releasing information he pledged not to release.
The responses to my first post on LGF display how his commenters will extrapolate from some small piece of personal information to decry someone as a liberal/elitist/terrorist-apologist based solely on an affiliation with an university. They also show how commenters will use any occasion to write libel regarding Muslims and Arabs (LGF commenters use the two interchangably).
Nevermind that I could be everything from a security guard or janitor to the head of the Middle East Language and Cultures Program for all anyone knows. I could be the Dean of Admissions of the B-school for all you know. The people responding to me were completly ignorant of any substantive facts, but that certainly didn’t stop them from specious comments.
And here is someone who disagrees with you as to my success. This person is right. I disappeared soon after Charles posted personal information about me. I had no desire to entertain the inevitable smears.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co…..9449#c0129
After reading conservatives’ comments here and at LGF… wow, an Reaganite conservative economist, Bruce Bartlett is right about you folks (pro-Bush conservatives):
Indeed. After reading LGF’s posts, I’m so glad that I denounced conservatism and left Republican party a few years ago. I honestly regretted that I voted for Bush in 2000.
To conservatives, ignorance is not bliss. Ignornance is dangerous.
I want to add that Bruce Bartlett’s statement does apply to many, if not all pro-Bush conservatives as well.
Normally, Johnson tries very hard to mask his own views on the inherent evil-ness of Muslims, but sometimes the mask slips.
An example is this post, from Johnson himself, which makes the religion of the Secretary General of Amnesty International an issue:
And the third rail of bias that no one in mainstream media will touch: Amnesty secretary general Irene Khan is a Muslim. Did her religion influence her outrageously intemperate remarks about the Muslim detainees at Guantanamo Bay?
http://littlegreenfootballs.co…..9&only
I am a muslim. I used to post ( to try to defend the 99% of other Muslims who are non-violent). It was a losing cause. It is a racist website. End of story.
I would merely like to add that by simply skimming your favorite hotbed of radical Leftism (AMERICAblog, Daily Kos, DU, etc), you will find just as much “hate” and “intolerance” directed towards Christians and conservatives.
Quit whining, hypocrites.
Steve, there are quite a lot of ‘hate’ and ‘intolerance’ from conservative Christians towards non-conservative Christians ([IRD] Institute on Religion and Democracy, anyone?). I know that fact because I used to be an Reaganite conservative Christian and I heard that all the time from conservative Christians in my local.
Steve -
Examples please. And statements about Jerry Falwell is NOT directed at all Christians. We tend to be much more careful aboput that kind of thing.
e.g. The term Christianist is often used, just like Islamist. I am willing to admit that there are members of both religions who are extremist nuts. And there are believers who are moderate. Johnson and his ilk dismiss moderate muslims as wolves in sheep’s clothing, sans evidence.
That is why he is a bigot.
Still here trolls?
There have been many great posts after this thread. Look around and you might actually learn something.
I crept back to see what was happening– the thread is still alive. Here are my 2 cents– it would be ok by me to fight another country if we were attacked, though to me all wars are a failure of imagination and a result a profound lack of understanding.
I still think it was wrong to go after Afghanistan and Iraq because we created the mess we faced.
In Afghanistan, we did it by supporting the Taliban and he who shall not be named in the fight against the Soviet Union so Ronny Raygun could claim credit and Gorbachev could be seen as a peacemaker.
In Iraq, Rummy et al– our government– gave WMD to Iraq and embraced him in his war against Iran. Remember that US /Shah thingie?
If anyone here from LGF wants to learn a thing or two about the wars we are engaged in, read Marc Herrold and Juan Cole. Reading and learning are fundamental.
Why did we not go to war with Pakistan or Saudi Arabia??? History is fundamental.
Stop slamming all religions and realize it is the exploitation of the faith that causes serious problems. Too literal a reading : too literal the action and rhetoric. It is power to those who would use it for ill.
After reading some of the hatred and supremacist views on this thread, I now realize that some human behavior defies the theory of evolution– one theory I thoroughly believed in. It is the humans that cannot evolve, I have no fear for the animals on the planet– except for their demise as a result of the human race.
Wow, the quotient of rightists trying to nanny the FDL comments is off the charts today. Has there been a call to troll somewhere?
The Do As We Say Crowd is determined to hold us to standards they have nothing but contempt for, let alone practice in their own fever swamps.
I can understand the ongoing freeper bait and switch. We’re all supposed to be like the Very Sensible Liberal in the Tom Tomorrow cartoon. You know, the character with the right-wing tire tracks all over him.
Given all the tut-tuts about lefty racism, freedom of speech, comment deletion and pardon me if I laugh, civility, it’s dawning on the moral bottom feeders that we are no longer their doormats.
They claim to want a debate. Who the hell do they think they’re kidding? The only debate they can deal with is a rigged debate.
So please, Conservative Commisars, take your postures, your rhetorical blackmailing, your faux “principles†to your own sites and save the deportment lectures for your own because it’s an all too putrid view of what National Socialist blogs would have looked like.
Finally, NOTHING rude, crass, angry, willfully ignorant, or stupid on this comment page will EVER approach the hateful poison which the right has injected into the American discourse over the past 25 years.
Last weeks South Park fit this forum just right. What was the town’s strategic plans to solve the terrorist plans? … by literally digging holes and sticking their heads in the sand.
Your liberal icons will be the first ones strung to the telephone polls if Islamic sharia law came to Berkley and Seattle.
Are your minds so blinded with hate towards Bushco that such and obvious threat to the world is shrugged off by the usual LLL cries of racism (God, everything you guys object to is racism. It’s just sooo tiring) and other PC pius posturing.
You just wait. We’ll see where the supremicist actions of Islamism will lead this world. The US and the world has gone 60+ years and faced down Communism without letting the nukes fly. You know in the bottom of your gut that Islam based ideology is going to lead to mass murder. The question is it going to be on our terms, or theirs.
Question: you open with a quote from Glenn Reynolds saying comments are a bad idea, because third parties attribute crass comments to the blogger.
You then go to great lengths to point out crass LGF comments, and try to indict Charles Johnson for them.
Is there a point to this, other than to make Glenn Reynolds look really, really smart?
You folks can posture all you want about LGF, but I’ll bet that 99% of LGF writers know more about Islam that the most knowledgeable 1% of your camp. As usual of the left, your ignornace of the issues does not stop you from spewing forth.
If you want to criticize from a position of knowledge then go read http://www.faithfreedom.org or http://www.islamundressed.com and then make your arguments. Until that time, you’re just clueless and LGF’ers know it.
brad, are you a Moslem? Do you know any? Did you study the religion? I really want to know.
Amazing – I read a few comments earlier, come back and see them labeled “trolls” when they’re the same people posting week after week at ummah.com.
Sad. They work so hard to hide it, but leftists are leftists.
No, angie, but I bet Brad spent last night in a Holiday Inn Express so that makes him an expert, huh?
Jim, R.T.F.P. The point is that even though Charles claims his posts are not necessarily his own opinion, that his selective filtering of them definitely is.
If you want another example of a human stain basically making a living off his fans’ racism, you can’t go past Tim Blair.
You can read his book, “Dog-Whistling for Dummies”, or “How to get someone ELSE to use the phrase ’so called religion of peace’ in 20 words or less”.
brad, are you a Moslem?
No
Do you know any?
yes, work with a few in very professional environment
Did you study the religion?
enough to understand the danger. Took me about 2 years to arrive at my viewpoint. Progressed from the blind “Jihad is an inner struggle” and hopeful “There can be Islamic democracy” to the position of clarity and knowledge “Islam is more dangerous than Nazism”
I really want to know.
so now you do
[shoddy journalism in which The Post tried to pass off the Jack Abramoff scandal as bipartisan]
Hmmm, how about Harry Reid? Or don’t you know?
[Such an argument would be the equivalent of framing Christianity by the lunacy of Pat Robertson and the rest of the evangelical right.]
Seems you just did what you railed against. The rest of evangelical right? I think that broad brush you used loses the argument right there.
Thank you brad– so you are not a Moslem. You work with a few in a very professional environment. Do you break bread with them and talk with them outside of your very professional environment? If the sources you provided are what educated you, perhaps you need a little more enlightenment. Perhaps from G.W. Bush himself today @ SAIS?
‘Q Morning, Mr. President. I have a more general question about the United States’ work to democratize the rest of the world. Many have viewed the United States’ effort to democratize the world — especially nations in the Middle East — as an imposition or invasion on their sovereign rights. Considering that it was, in fact, the Prophet Mohammed who established the first known constitution in the world — I’m referring to the constitution he wrote for the city of Medina –and that his life and the principles outlined in his constitution, such as the championing of the welfare of women, children and the poor, living as an equal among his people, dissolving disputes between the warring clans in Arabia, giving any man or woman in parliament the right to vote and guaranteeing respect for all religions, ironically parallel those principles that we hold most precious in our own Constitution. I’m wondering how might your recently formed Iraq Study Group under the U.S. Institute for Peace explore these striking similarities to forge a new relationship with Iraqis and educate Americans about the democratic principles inherent in Islam?
THE PRESIDENT: Great question. I believe that the terrorists have hijacked a peaceful religion in order to justify their behavior. I thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will pass on your comments to James A. Baker, who is one of the chairmen of the group going to Iraq.
See, you said something really interesting. Initially, you said, people view America imposing its beliefs. And I hearken back to what I said earlier — this fellow’s question here — that if you believe that freedom is not universal, then it could be viewed as an imposition of beliefs. I’m not saying to countries, you’ve got to look like us or act like us, but I am saying, you know, give your people a chance to be free. And I think it’s necessary for America to take the lead on this issue. I think it is — I think it is vital for our future that we encourage liberty, and in this case, the Middle East. And as you said, it doesn’t necessarily run contrary to what the Prophet Mohammad said.
It’s a — and so how do you advance freedom? I mean, well, one thing you do is you make sure that the Lebanese have a chance to self-govern freely without Syrian interference. It’s one thing you can do. Another thing you can do is work for the establishment of a Palestinian state, which I’m doing. I believe that there will be a Palestinian state that is at peace with Israel. I believe it’s going to have to be a democracy — again, a Palestinian-style democracy — to achieve that. But in my — early in my presidency, I said it’s in our interest that there be two states, side-by-side in peace, and we’re working toward that end.
You know, part of the debate here that I’m sure you’re discussing is whether or not the United States should insist upon elections before everything is right. You hear the — the civil society has to be just right before you can have elections. I disagree strongly with that. I think elections are the beginning of the process, not the end.
And I found the elections that Hamas won very instructive and very interesting. It was — to me, it was a final condemnation of the Arafat era, where people said, we’re sick of corruption; we want better health care and better education; we want — we actually want our leaders to focus on the people, not on their self interests.
And because I believe in two states, side-by-side in peace, and therefore expect the government of both to be peaceful toward each other, we’re not going to deal with a government that has announced that they want to destroy Israel. On the other hand, we will help the Palestinian people. And I believe a democracy will eventually yield the state necessary to be side-by-side with Israel in peace.
The success of a democracy in Iraq — and as I told you, I think we’re going to succeed; as a matter of fact, I know we are if we don’t lose our nerve — will send a powerful signal. Imagine the signal it will send to people in Iran that are not free right now. I believe the women’s movement is going to be the leading edge of changing the Middle East. I don’t believe women want to live as second-class citizens. I believe — I believe it’s — I believe there’s a universal desire to be treated fairly and equally.
And so I think — look, I’m pleased with the progress. I was reading the other day where Kuwaiti women are running for office. It’s a positive sign, you know? We’ve got to be realistic about what’s possible, but we’ve got to be firm in our belief that freedom is possible and necessary. Otherwise — I’ll repeat to you — a system that says, okay, let’s just tolerate the tyrant so long as everything seems okay, didn’t work.
That’s one of the lessons of the attack on the United States. You know, the world seemed fine, didn’t it? It seemed kind of placid — there was a bubble here, a bubble there. But everything seemed all right. And yet, beneath the surface, there was tremendous resentment. And it’s now come to the — and so how do you defeat their — now, if you don’t think they have a ideology or a point of view, and/or a strategy to impose it, you’re not going to understand why you think the United States ought not to be as active as we are.
But I believe differently. I believe they’re bound — these folks are bound by an ideology. I know that they have got desires. They say it. This is one of — this is a different — this is a war in which the enemy actually speaks out loud. You heard the letter I wrote — read from — they didn’t speak out loud on this one, but nevertheless, it’s a — we’ve got to take their word seriously. When the enemy speaks, it makes sense for our military, our intelligence, the President to take the word seriously so we can adapt and adjust.
Anyway, very interesting question. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Yes, ma’am.’
Interesting that, eh? How come I am scared not of them, but of us. Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth– halitosis is halitosis no matter if it is left or right of the middle of our fear mongering government. Axis of evildoers will never conquer our country– we. will. self. destruct. all. by. ourselves. thank. you.