Comments on: Fitz Reveals a Little in Public Appearance http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:29:31 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Tlazolteotl http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-62772 Tlazolteotl Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:51:24 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-62772 <p>Just saw this post this morning. I have blogged some similar things about Fitzgerald <a href="http://fadedflowers.blogspot.com/2005/10/lying-liars.html">in the past</a>, so I <a href="http://fadedflowers.blogspot.com/2006/04/ll-cool-p.html">linked back to this post</a>. Good work, and good insight on the grand jury stuff.</p> Just saw this post this morning. I have blogged some similar things about Fitzgerald in the past, so I linked back to this post. Good work, and good insight on the grand jury stuff.

]]> By: farang http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-62344 farang Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:45:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-62344 <p>Which “bombing” of the WTC are we talking about, Fitz????</p> <p>First?</p> <p>Or the obvious Second ones?</p> Which “bombing” of the WTC are we talking about, Fitz????

First?

Or the obvious Second ones?

]]> By: Jackie http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-62288 Jackie Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:37:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-62288 <p>Nice web site. Now to business Fitz has spoken highly of Christy and this is my first time on her blog.<br /> Fitz has more to come as he waits for these guys to fight among each other. There is a time line that Fitz has so all the lies don’t fit that time line. Bush declassified the info when Novak’s article came out so the reporters got classified info. This plan was done by Nixon with his plummers. Just watch for Rove and Cheney blame each other. Bush will resign like Nixon so the backroom deals wont become public. John Dean should know as he was part of that same game plan. Fitz and his staff are only looking for the truth and give justice to Mr. and Mrs. Wilson. Remember Fitz works for the American people not the crooks and lies in our govenment.</p> Nice web site. Now to business Fitz has spoken highly of Christy and this is my first time on her blog.
Fitz has more to come as he waits for these guys to fight among each other. There is a time line that Fitz has so all the lies don’t fit that time line. Bush declassified the info when Novak’s article came out so the reporters got classified info. This plan was done by Nixon with his plummers. Just watch for Rove and Cheney blame each other. Bush will resign like Nixon so the backroom deals wont become public. John Dean should know as he was part of that same game plan. Fitz and his staff are only looking for the truth and give justice to Mr. and Mrs. Wilson. Remember Fitz works for the American people not the crooks and lies in our govenment.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61976 looseheadprop Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:29:23 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61976 <p>Mary,<br /> Gone from the computer all afternoon and just now catching up.</p> <p>Re: Your comment #38:<br /> That was beautiful! You can always tell the ones for whom law is a kind of religious experience instead of a way to make a buck.</p> <p>The big joke in my family is when my neice asked me what I would do if I won a big lottery jackpot. I said “ponies for everyone and I would still do what I do now, only for free”</p> <p>The reason I prectice law has nothing to do with a paycheck. In fact most weeks I probably log more hour doing public interest work than doing billables (I have a very understanding law partner). I enjoy so much the company of people who serve the law, instead regarding the law as something to cynically manipulate. </p> <p>Mary you are a real lawyer. That post was beautiful. I’m honored just have been here to read it.</p> <p>Re: your post 39:</p> <p>This is more complicated. The USAO SDNY actually predates the creation of the Department of Justice. By tradition, it “outranks” DOJ in the way that a army major who is promoted a week before another army major outranks the guy who became a major after him.</p> <p>For this reason, as well as a history of often appointing US Attorneys in SDNY that come from patrician families and a history of not always exactly following instructions from DC, the USAO SDNY is known tongue-in-cheek as the “sovereign district of new york”.</p> <p>Other than being a US Supreme Court Clerk, being an AUSA in SDNY is THE MOST prestigious job a young lawyer can get. In fact, one year (might have been ‘84) the majority of that year’s incomming General Crimes (the unit where everyone in the criminal division starts out) class was former US Supreme Court clerks.</p> <p>Being an AUSA is probably the best springboard a lawyer can have for just about any future plan. A disproportionate number of federal judges and partners at national white shoe firms are former AUSA’s.</p> <p>Fitz’ general crimes class was particularly succesful. It produced 2 US attorneys’: Fitz in Chicago and Dave Kelley who was briefly US Atty in SDNY. It also produced Miguel Estrada. I think Fran Fragos was in that class too. She is now Bush’s in house lawyer for Homeland security issues.</p> <p>The current US Atty SDNY is Mike Garcia. He used to be a member of the counter terrorism unit that Fitz and Kelley founded at SDNY. Before becoming US Attorney, he worked for Chertoff as head of ICE (formerly Immigration and Naturalization).</p> <p>Interestingly, Michael Chertoff is also a former AUSA SDNY. His General Crimes class was the yesr of the supreme court clerks.</p> Mary,
Gone from the computer all afternoon and just now catching up.

Re: Your comment #38:
That was beautiful! You can always tell the ones for whom law is a kind of religious experience instead of a way to make a buck.

The big joke in my family is when my neice asked me what I would do if I won a big lottery jackpot. I said “ponies for everyone and I would still do what I do now, only for free”

The reason I prectice law has nothing to do with a paycheck. In fact most weeks I probably log more hour doing public interest work than doing billables (I have a very understanding law partner). I enjoy so much the company of people who serve the law, instead regarding the law as something to cynically manipulate.

Mary you are a real lawyer. That post was beautiful. I’m honored just have been here to read it.

Re: your post 39:

This is more complicated. The USAO SDNY actually predates the creation of the Department of Justice. By tradition, it “outranks” DOJ in the way that a army major who is promoted a week before another army major outranks the guy who became a major after him.

For this reason, as well as a history of often appointing US Attorneys in SDNY that come from patrician families and a history of not always exactly following instructions from DC, the USAO SDNY is known tongue-in-cheek as the “sovereign district of new york”.

Other than being a US Supreme Court Clerk, being an AUSA in SDNY is THE MOST prestigious job a young lawyer can get. In fact, one year (might have been ‘84) the majority of that year’s incomming General Crimes (the unit where everyone in the criminal division starts out) class was former US Supreme Court clerks.

Being an AUSA is probably the best springboard a lawyer can have for just about any future plan. A disproportionate number of federal judges and partners at national white shoe firms are former AUSA’s.

Fitz’ general crimes class was particularly succesful. It produced 2 US attorneys’: Fitz in Chicago and Dave Kelley who was briefly US Atty in SDNY. It also produced Miguel Estrada. I think Fran Fragos was in that class too. She is now Bush’s in house lawyer for Homeland security issues.

The current US Atty SDNY is Mike Garcia. He used to be a member of the counter terrorism unit that Fitz and Kelley founded at SDNY. Before becoming US Attorney, he worked for Chertoff as head of ICE (formerly Immigration and Naturalization).

Interestingly, Michael Chertoff is also a former AUSA SDNY. His General Crimes class was the yesr of the supreme court clerks.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61949 looseheadprop Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:03:10 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61949 <p>Mary,<br /> Gone from the computer all afternoon and just now catching up.</p> <p>Re: Your comment #38:</p> Mary,
Gone from the computer all afternoon and just now catching up.

Re: Your comment #38:

]]> By: Oklahoma kiddo http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61914 Oklahoma kiddo Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:19:12 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61914 <p>Christy Hardin Smith notes her fondness for “that one case every now and then where you feel you can make a huge difference for the greater good of your community: saving a small child from a horribly abusive situation, sending a violent predator to jail before they can do further harm, helping a juvenile to realize that she has potential and can choose a better path”. As a former juvenile probation officer I know just what’s being talked about by Christy. There’s no finer way to get a good nights sleep than knowing, when your head hits the pillow, that you may have put a permanent end to some poor kid’s nightmare of daily horror. Most of the cases I dealt with were criminal in nature, maintaining a caseload, writing pre-sentence investigation reports and producing dispositional recommendations requested by the court. After years dealing with juvenile offenders and child dependency cases, I moved on to adult probation and the daily grind of processing those mostly beyond rehab, or for that matter redemption. We’re talking the mean streets of big California cities here. That was a long time ago, but those kids I pulled from terrible home situations, and those beyond-redemption child abusers I helped send to prison are, for me, my finest hours. And I shall forever remember the little faces of those terrified children the first time I laid eyes on them and the last time I saw them. And if I made a lasting improvement in but one childs life, then I will die a happy man. There is no way to measure the comfort one can feel when they know they made a contributing difference. I don’t do probation work anymore. Now I get my kicks teaching high school. And what thrills now is when the light bulb goes off in a kids head and says “I get it” after a long struggle with a certain math concept or whatever.</p> <p>Some folks have the attitude that prosecutor types are hard boiled and have, of necessity, a jaundiced view of life. Not true. Mrs. Smith proves that.</p> Christy Hardin Smith notes her fondness for “that one case every now and then where you feel you can make a huge difference for the greater good of your community: saving a small child from a horribly abusive situation, sending a violent predator to jail before they can do further harm, helping a juvenile to realize that she has potential and can choose a better path”. As a former juvenile probation officer I know just what’s being talked about by Christy. There’s no finer way to get a good nights sleep than knowing, when your head hits the pillow, that you may have put a permanent end to some poor kid’s nightmare of daily horror. Most of the cases I dealt with were criminal in nature, maintaining a caseload, writing pre-sentence investigation reports and producing dispositional recommendations requested by the court. After years dealing with juvenile offenders and child dependency cases, I moved on to adult probation and the daily grind of processing those mostly beyond rehab, or for that matter redemption. We’re talking the mean streets of big California cities here. That was a long time ago, but those kids I pulled from terrible home situations, and those beyond-redemption child abusers I helped send to prison are, for me, my finest hours. And I shall forever remember the little faces of those terrified children the first time I laid eyes on them and the last time I saw them. And if I made a lasting improvement in but one childs life, then I will die a happy man. There is no way to measure the comfort one can feel when they know they made a contributing difference. I don’t do probation work anymore. Now I get my kicks teaching high school. And what thrills now is when the light bulb goes off in a kids head and says “I get it” after a long struggle with a certain math concept or whatever.

Some folks have the attitude that prosecutor types are hard boiled and have, of necessity, a jaundiced view of life. Not true. Mrs. Smith proves that.

]]> By: marily http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61900 marily Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:56:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61900 <p>My father was a progressive Methodist minister for 35 years, and when he died he was making $18,000 /yr. in 1980. He was on the Board of Trustees of two universities, and was so much more than I can say here…president of everything and marched for everything. He gave the prayer to open Congress in 1979 and Tip liked it so much we all got to have lunch on him in the House of Reprentatives Restaurant. (Methodists have small families and the prices so cheap even for then…subsidy, anyone?) Public service is difficult and rewarding. Those with principles and honor find a just reward. (old and disabled, but still believing.)</p> My father was a progressive Methodist minister for 35 years, and when he died he was making $18,000 /yr. in 1980. He was on the Board of Trustees of two universities, and was so much more than I can say here…president of everything and marched for everything. He gave the prayer to open Congress in 1979 and Tip liked it so much we all got to have lunch on him in the House of Reprentatives Restaurant. (Methodists have small families and the prices so cheap even for then…subsidy, anyone?) Public service is difficult and rewarding. Those with principles and honor find a just reward. (old and disabled, but still believing.)

]]> By: Thersites2 http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61889 Thersites2 Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:46:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61889 <p>I’ve got a fairly long new post up exploring the possibility of obtruction of justice charges against both Bush and Cheney. God, I’d love to bring them down on a cover-up…</p> <p><a href="http://vichydems.blogspot.com/2006/04/dick-cheney-spun-attention-away-from.html">VichyDems: Dick Cheney “Spun” Attention Away from Bush in February. Did He Similarly Misdirect Fitzgerald, Too?</a></p> I’ve got a fairly long new post up exploring the possibility of obtruction of justice charges against both Bush and Cheney. God, I’d love to bring them down on a cover-up…

VichyDems: Dick Cheney “Spun” Attention Away from Bush in February. Did He Similarly Misdirect Fitzgerald, Too?

]]> By: mommybrain http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61885 mommybrain Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:45:22 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61885 <p>Maggiemay 57,</p> <p>I honestly don’t know enough about Westly but I know some about Angelides. As his time as treasurer, he has received good marks from the progressive community. He made sure the state’s portfolios were divested of things like tobacco companies and reinvested in alternative energy and other more progressive areas. He opposed the recent merger of Blue Cross and (I don’t remember the name) another insurance company as being more about padding executive retirement benefits (I like to call it the golden shower) than market efficiency and would result in higher, not lower, rates for us consumers. </p> <p>He was one of the first to call foul on Enron; he has legislative experience - not only is he currently Treasurer, but he also worked for Assemblyman Mike Roos in the eighties. He made his money as a developer of so-called progressive communities - reduced auto traffic, encouraging foot traffic with green space design. When you hear criticism of Laguna West in campaign ads, remember the Rovian credo - hit ‘em in their strength. </p> <p>He was head of the Cal Dem Party in the early 90’s and helped get Boxer, DiFi and Clinton elected. He proudly calls himself a Progressive. Not many of those left, are there? Even thought the book on him is Humorless Nerd, he’s actually a very funny and friendly guy, a la Clinton but without the roving eyes - and hands and other body parts. He’s so smart it makes your head hurt.</p> <p>Boxer, DiFi, Hilda Solis, the Sanchez sisters - long list of endorsements. I think he’s the real deal.</p> Maggiemay 57,

I honestly don’t know enough about Westly but I know some about Angelides. As his time as treasurer, he has received good marks from the progressive community. He made sure the state’s portfolios were divested of things like tobacco companies and reinvested in alternative energy and other more progressive areas. He opposed the recent merger of Blue Cross and (I don’t remember the name) another insurance company as being more about padding executive retirement benefits (I like to call it the golden shower) than market efficiency and would result in higher, not lower, rates for us consumers.

He was one of the first to call foul on Enron; he has legislative experience – not only is he currently Treasurer, but he also worked for Assemblyman Mike Roos in the eighties. He made his money as a developer of so-called progressive communities – reduced auto traffic, encouraging foot traffic with green space design. When you hear criticism of Laguna West in campaign ads, remember the Rovian credo – hit ‘em in their strength.

He was head of the Cal Dem Party in the early 90’s and helped get Boxer, DiFi and Clinton elected. He proudly calls himself a Progressive. Not many of those left, are there? Even thought the book on him is Humorless Nerd, he’s actually a very funny and friendly guy, a la Clinton but without the roving eyes – and hands and other body parts. He’s so smart it makes your head hurt.

Boxer, DiFi, Hilda Solis, the Sanchez sisters – long list of endorsements. I think he’s the real deal.

]]> By: anon http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61759 anon Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:50:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/fitz-reveals-a-little-in-public-appearance/#comment-61759 <p>“And as someone above mentioned, would it mess with Fitz’ case for there to be a congressional investigation?”</p> <p>I think it would - but I also think it is the only way for the full truth to come out. Fitz’s job is not to provide oversight to this administration. What is frightening is he is the only one – not the media, not Congress, currently doing it and that is only because Libby was stupid enough to lie to him. The dems have to take back Congress. That is the only thing that will provide true oversight.</p> “And as someone above mentioned, would it mess with Fitz’ case for there to be a congressional investigation?”

I think it would – but I also think it is the only way for the full truth to come out. Fitz’s job is not to provide oversight to this administration. What is frightening is he is the only one – not the media, not Congress, currently doing it and that is only because Libby was stupid enough to lie to him. The dems have to take back Congress. That is the only thing that will provide true oversight.

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