
Update: Folks are gathering over at the post.blog to make their feelings on the subject known.
For years now the GOP machine has succeeded in strong-arming the Washington Post into legitimizing their propaganda, dribbling out sensational disinformation during Whitewater to the hacktackular Sue Schmidt to put on the front page without skepticism or question. Over time they have provided easy, sleazy copy and traded "access" to the point that it has fueled an empire of mediocrity where only the people willing to limbo low enough and shape the news to Karl Rove’s satisfaction are rewarded with the scoops that trigger seniority. Both editors and reporters alike know their only ability to ascend the hierarchy comes from emulating supreme access pimp and BushCo. dupe Bob Woodward in a slavish devotion to stenography and the propagation of disinformation.
The new Washington Post editorial, an enormous turd that editorial page editor Fred Hiatt no doubt wrote, is such an unmitigated piece of BushCo. propaganda, such a giant bag of bullshit it deserves to be taken apart, piece by piece and beaten into the ground. Armando has a rundown of Hiatt’s bloodthirsty warmongering for which the paper will one day soon be held to account. But today’s editorial on the BushCo. leak shows exactly how the Post is earning its reputation for being just a few shades less reliable than PRAVDA:
A Good Leak
President Bush declassified some of the intelligence he used to decide on war in Iraq. Is that a scandal?PRESIDENT BUSH was right to approve the declassification of parts of a National Intelligence Estimate about Iraq three years ago in order to make clear why he had believed that Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons. Presidents are authorized to declassify sensitive material, and the public benefits when they do.
How exactly does the public benefit from having selective, misleading bits of information leaked to a reporter for no other reason than to polish Dubya’s image in the press? Over at the Left Coaster, eRiposte takes apart the notion that this "declassification" was in any way intended to benefit the public.
Basically the NIE report had three sections – the Key Judgments, which had no mention of the uranium claim, the Body of the NIE which did mention the uranium claim, and the Annex which contained the INR rebuttal that said the uranium claim was extremely iffy.
Says eRiposte:
If Libby had actually passed on the key judgments of the NIE to Miller, Miller would have discovered that it had NO mention of the uranium claim. So, it appears that Libby, Bush and Cheney tried to deliberately misrepresent the NIE to reporters by claiming that the uranium claim was part of the NIE’s key judgments (even though it was not) and then tried to leak the contents from the body of the NIE (minus the annex) to make it appear as if the NIE made a strong case against Joseph Wilson’s claims.
Hiatt may want to take a short trip down the hall, because journalists Barton Gelman and Dafna Linzer, writing for today’s Washington Post seem very much aware of this fact.
Further, according to Fitzgerald the CIA report on Joe Wilson’s trip had not been declassified at the time Libby leaked it to Miller. Hiatt conveniently ignores this in his eagerness to give Bush a free pass and attribute his craven abuse of power to some misty-eyed notion of public service.
But the administration handled the release clumsily, exposing Mr. Bush to the the hyperbolic charges of misconduct and hypocrisy that Democrats are leveling.
This is a portrait of Fred Hiatt gorging on cocktail weenies. How helpful of him to spread the meme that this is all just more partisan politics. There is no legitimate concern here, no. It’s all just Democratic "hyperbole." I can’t wait to see the polling on this one, I’m sure it’ll prove there are a whole lot of Democrats out there.
Rather than follow the usual declassification procedures and then invite reporters to a briefing — as the White House eventually did — Vice President Cheney initially chose to be secretive, ordering his chief of staff at the time, I. Lewis Libby, to leak the information to a favorite New York Times reporter. The full public disclosure followed 10 days later. There was nothing illegal or even particularly unusual about that….
Did they even bother to read Fitzgerald’s recent filing before they wrote this? From page 20:
Defendant testified that the circumstances of his conversation with reporter Miller — getting approval from the President through the Vice President to discuss material that would be classified but for that approval — were unique in his recollection.
And from page 23:
Defendant testified that this July 8th meeting was the only time he recalled in his government experience when he disclosed a document to a reporter that was effectively declassified by virtue of the President’s authorization that it be declassified.
And as Christy noted this morning, these actions were in direct contravention of what Condaleezza Rice herself said about the Administration’s policy regarding the NIE at the time:
[S]even days before key portions of the NIE were released, reporters badgered the then national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice to allow them to see some of the NIE, which had been used by the administration to make the case for war with Congress. "We don’t want to try to get into kind of selective declassification," said Rice, though she added, "We’re looking at what can be made available."
But wait, it gets better:
….nor is this presidentially authorized leak necessarily comparable to other, unauthorized disclosures that the president believes, rightly or wrongly, compromise national security.
They’re absolutely right about this. George Bush abused his power to authorize leaks to mislead the press for political gain. The leakers in the NSA warrantless wiretap scandal are true whistleblowers, people who risked much to inform the public about the Administration’s illegal activities. Fred Hiatt takes out a big-ass knife and plants it in the back of his fellow journalists by applauding the witch hunt being carried out by the Bush Administration. Any journalist who is willing to collect a paycheck working for or with Hiatt ought to think very carefully about this fact in the future.
Nevertheless, Mr. Cheney’s tactics make Mr. Bush look foolish for having subsequently denounced a different leak in the same controversy and vowing to "get to the bottom" of it.
This is an amazing bit of sophistry. "Mr. Cheney’s tactic" distances Bush from responsibility with absolutely no evidence provided that Cheney cooked up this particular tactic. In fact, Digby surmises that he didn’t. "A different leak" — technically, yes. But all a part of the same effort, to mislead the public and spread political propaganda.
The affair concerns, once again, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV and his absurdly over-examined visit to the African country of Niger in 2002. Each time the case surfaces, opponents of the war in Iraq use it to raise a different set of charges, so it’s worth recalling the previous iterations. Mr. Wilson originally claimed in a 2003 New York Times op-ed and in conversations with numerous reporters that he had debunked a report that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium from Niger and that Mr. Bush’s subsequent inclusion of that allegation in his State of the Union address showed that he had deliberately "twisted" intelligence "to exaggerate the Iraq threat." The material that Mr. Bush ordered declassified established, as have several subsequent investigations, that Mr. Wilson was the one guilty of twisting the truth.
We’ll let Barton Gelman and Dafna Linzer, writing for today’s Washington Post, field this one:
One striking feature of that decision — unremarked until now, in part because Fitzgerald did not mention it — is that the evidence Cheney and Libby selected to share with reporters had been disproved months before.
United Nations inspectors had exposed the main evidence for the uranium charge as crude forgeries in March 2003, but the Bush administration and British Prime Minister Tony Blair maintained they had additional, secret evidence they could not disclose. In June, a British parliamentary inquiry concluded otherwise, delivering a scathing critique of Blair’s role in promoting the story. With no ally left, the White House debated whether to abandon the uranium claim and became embroiled in bitter finger-pointing about whom to fault for the error. A legal brief filed for Libby last month said that "certain officials at the CIA, the White House, and the State Department each sought to avoid or assign blame for intelligence failures relating to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction."
It was at that moment that Libby, allegedly at Cheney’s direction, sought out at least three reporters to bolster the discredited uranium allegation. Libby made careful selections of language from the 2002 estimate, quoting a passage that said Iraq was "vigorously trying to procure uranium" in Africa.
Explain to me again about how Wilson was the one twisting the truth? Bush ordered the selective leaking of misinformation to prove something he knew was not true. Need more proof? Let’s check yesterday’s New York Times:
Mr. Fitzgerald, in his filing, said that Mr. Libby had been authorized to tell Judith Miller, then a reporter for The New York Times, on July 8, 2003, that a key finding of the 2002 intelligence estimate on Iraq was that Baghdad had been vigorously seeking to acquire uranium from Africa.
But a week earlier, in an interview in his State Department office, Mr. Powell told three other reporters for The Times that intelligence agencies had essentially rejected that contention, and were "no longer carrying it as a credible item" by early 2003, when he was preparing to make the case against Iraq at the United Nations.
Mr. Powell’s queasiness with some of the intelligence has been well known, but the new revelations suggest that long after he had concluded the intelligence was faulty, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby were still promoting it.
But the facts do not faze the surreal fantasies engaged in by the Post. No, no, they decide to do all the drugs at once:
In fact, his report supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium.
This is where we get into the deep and heavy bullshit. First off, I don’t know how these people open their mouths and say this stuff without their heads exploding — it pains me to inform them that Joe Wilson was right. There were no Iraqi attempts to obtain uranium from Niger. This is a sad fact that the Washington Post is eventually just going to have to accept. But in the mean time, I tip my hat to eRiposte for this link, to George Tenet’s sword-fall on July 11, 2003:
Because [the report associated with Wilson's trip, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the President, Vice-President or other senior Administration officials.
To quote eRiposte, "In other words, even if you take Tenet's spin for gospel, this WaPo editor's claim that [the report attributed to Wilson] supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium is simply flat out false. They’re just making stuff up."
Mr. Wilson subsequently claimed that the White House set out to punish him for his supposed whistle-blowing by deliberately blowing the cover of his wife, Valerie Plame, who he said was an undercover CIA operative. This prompted the investigation by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald. After more than 2 1/2 years of investigation, Mr. Fitzgerald has reported no evidence to support Mr. Wilson’s charge.
Let’s take a look at what Fitzgerald actually said. Page 26:
Indeed, there exist documents, some of which have been provided to defendant, and there were conversations in which defendant participated,that reveal a strong desire by many, including multiple people in the White House, to repudiate Mr. Wilson before and after July 14, 2003.
And again, on Page 29-30:
Defendant also asserts without elaboration that "documents that help establish that no White House-driven plot to punish Mr. Wilson caused the disclosure of Mr. Wilson’s identity also constitute Brady material." Once again, defendant ignores the fact that he is not charged with participating in any conspiracy, much less one defined as a "White House-drive plot to punish Mr. Wilson." Thus, putative evidence that such a conspiracy did not exist is not Brady material. Moreover, given that there is evidence that other White House officials with whom defendant spoke prior to June 14, 2003 discussed Wilson’s wife’s employment with the press both prior to, and after, July 14, 2003 — which evidence has been shared with defendant — it is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to "punish" Wilson.
Contrary to Hiatt’s assertion, Fitzgerald seems to think he has plenty to back up Wilson’s claim.To the extent that he hasn’t called up the Post to let them personally know what that evidence is, I suppose it must be disappointing to them. Ah the days of Ken Starr.
Had enough Fred? Well I haven’t. Let’s keep going:
In last week’s court filings, he stated that Mr. Bush did not authorize the leak of Ms. Plame’s identity.
Mr. Libby’s motive in allegedly disclosing her name to reporters, Mr. Fitzgerald said, was to disprove yet another false assertion, that Mr. Wilson had been dispatched to Niger by Mr. Cheney. In fact Mr. Wilson was recommended for the trip by his wife.
Joe Wilson’s July 6 editorial in the New York Times is what caused George Tenet, five days later, to publicly state that the Administration had been wrong to include the "16 words" in Bush’s speech. That didn’t happen because Wilson was wrong. And any attempt to smear Wilson, defame either himself or his wife is only an extension of the initial White House disinformation campaign. It blithely ignores the cold, hard reality of the matter.
Mr. Libby is charged with perjury, for having lied about his discussions with two reporters. Yet neither the columnist who published Ms. Plame’s name, Robert D. Novak, nor Mr. Novak’s two sources have been charged with any wrongdoing.
And how does that make perjury, false statement and obstruction of justice okay exactly?
As Mr. Fitzgerald pointed out at the time of Mr. Libby’s indictment last fall, none of this is particularly relevant to the question of whether the grounds for war in Iraq were sound or bogus.
No he did not say that. What he said was this:
The indictment will not seek to prove that the war was justified or unjustified. This is stripped of that debate, and this is focused on a narrow transaction.
And I think anyone who’s concerned about the war and has feelings for or against shouldn’t look to this criminal process for any answers or resolution of that.
In other words, oh ye of simple mind, his investigation did not seek to resolve the question of whether the grounds for war were justified. He made no judgment about the applicability of its findings, nor did he claim to be the arbiter of that.
It’s unfortunate that those who seek to prove the latter would now claim that Mr. Bush did something wrong by releasing for public review some of the intelligence he used in making his most momentous decision.
Which "momentous decision" would that be? The one that wouldn’t let the public know the truth about the dissent within the intelligence community regarding Iraq’s attempts to reconstitute their nuclear arms program? Save your speeches about the unbridled patriotism of George Bush’s motives. He’s a petty, petulant mediocrity whose agenda could not accommodate the truth, just like Hiatt. It was political smoke and mirrors intended to dupe a nation, pure and simple. Hiatt is just adding a rubber chicken show to the act.



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when i get that feeling, i want fitzual healing
I am sick to death of the lazy-assed, cowardly mainstream media. As a former newspaper editor and columnist, I am ashamed of these people. With just a few exceptions, Fred is indicative of the whole damn lot of them. Pathetic.
Wapooooopoooooo!!
And geeze, can’t people think of something more clever in their comments than some pun about Fitz? I mean, I agree and all, but give it a rest…
What the hell IS it with these people? If Bush just wanted to get the “whole story out to the American People — the talking point in use now –there are things called “SPEECHES” or a “PRESS CONFERENCES” that he could’ve resorted to, rather than leaking like a faulty condom.
i saw Jon Kyl on TV trying the same crap.
sharkbabe “fitzual healing” Now that’s funny,absolutely fitztastic.
I think Hiatt’s the grand poobah of the cocktail weenie circuit.
I tried to post your entire article Jane at the WaPoo Blog but it didnt take. I guess it’s too long… oh well
Do you really think Hiatt wrote it? I was thinking Rove. It was just so patently absurd. Perhaps Hiatt wrote it and Rove proofed it?
EPU’d
Mary, Loosehead, ReddHedd – Thank you so much for your input. Almost makes me want to be a lawyer.
Question or two. How can we attract more qualified people to be Prosecutors? It’s a problem. I watched OJ’s trial 90% and say that good defense attorneys and bad cops and a weak Judge along with a “jury of our peers†can be a problem.
What is the prediction. A pleading? A trial?
I think we just landed on Omaha Beach.
This editorial should earn Fred Hiatt the “Weenie of the Week” award.
SoonerThought – Lighten up and FITZ…FITZ.
You are just sorry you can’t do it. Be quick. There is NO rest for the chimp. :)
Do you really think Hiatt wrote it? I was thinking Rove.
This morning, folks were speculating the Woodward wrote it.
Forthright
Independent
Truthful
Zeus
That’s our Patrick
What medications are you currently on?
Thus passeth the smoldering wreck that is Fred Hiatt.
I saw Kyl blathering on the teebee too. What a joke. He kept claiming that “US Intelligence couldn’t disprove the claim that Iraq was trying to aquire uranium, and the British said they had proof Iraq did try, so see, Bush wasn’t lying.”
Obviously, Kyl can’t read. Why, oh why, does anyone allow these idiots on their shows?
WaPo’s puff piece on Hiatt
http://www.washpostco.com/bio-hiatt_f.htm
How hard is it to say “Fitz”? ;-)
EPU’d, but very apropos to fdl’s racial bias series:
Callers to Montgomery County MD school staff used abusive language and *racial slurs* when protesting a decision to grant community service credit for the immigration rally tomorrow, according to the Superintendant. It’s spring break, so no one is missing any school.
I am very embarrassed to tell you I got this from Fox. Had to watch something on the exercise bike, and all the other channels had people on that made me want to throw things. [hey, would that count as exercise?] So I thought, time to find out what the far right is up to. At least Fox reported about the racist language people were hurling at the school staff. [hurling racist language–exercise for sick minds]
Jane, fabulous smackdown. I didn’t have the stomach to finish reading the WP editorial this morning, much less debunk all the crap in it. Thank you.
kent – Well, to make a comment like that you need to be a bit more specific. Okay?
Jane, you give good smack-down.
It’s worth noting, however, that the editorial staff and the news staff are two separate entities. Not that that lets the Washington Post off the hook for the nonsense that Hiatt writes.
I suspect, however, that the Post is rapidly approaching the dynamic that you see at the Wall Street Journal- where the editorial page is completely insane, while the news division looks on in incredulity and horror.
Kathryn Graham must be spinning in her grave.
But the administration handled the release clumsily, exposing Mr. Bush to the the hyperbolic charges of misconduct and hypocrisy that Democrats are leveling.
IOW, What kind of meanie makes fun of somebody for being clumsy?
Ever since beholding this editorial this morning, I have been speechless with incredulity and rage. Even for the WaPo with its greatest warwhoring hits, this is simply THE most brazenly, nakedly, stunningly dishonest piece of writing EVER to appear in that paper.
We need to make that Ben dust-up look like a Tupperware party. This shit will NOT FUCKING STAND, POST.
IMPEACH THE HEATHERS
legal friends: repeating a question from earlier – I remember an issue from Iran Contra (tho could have been watergate) where congressional hearings blocked prosecution by offering immunity for testimony which then ruled out criminal prosecution. Is there any chance that that is Spector’s game?
Now that it is clear that the White House released (leaked?) information (classified?) to refute the claims of Ambassador Joe Wilson in the run up to the Iraq war, the President’s usual apologists are rushing to provide the plausible explanation of the events. The Washington Post’s Sunday editorial calls the Presidents actions “A Good Leakâ€. The Post is not alone in attempting to parse words. Bill Kristol accuses Prosecutor Fitzgerald today of buying into the definition of “leak†that is preferred by the Presidents detractors. Think Progress has the video of Kristol here.
It’s hard to imagine that the WaPo & Kristol actually think the public will accept these arguments. In his appearance, Kristol made the following remark:
“He (Fitzgerald) has bought the argument that there is something improper about the Bush administration responding to Joe Wilson’s charges.â€
Excuse me, but secretly leaking information cannot be equated with “respondingâ€. The explanation of the actions (leaking) after the fact cannot disguise the intentions of the actions (manipulation) at the moment that they occurred. Had the President wanted to respond in order to properly inform the American public about the classified information, then logically, why wouldn’t he have simply done so directly? If the President feels the American public should hear important classified information, he can simply release the information in any number of straightforward ways through a press release from the White House or explained in a speech or through a news conference. Frankly, “a good leak†need not be a leak at all. Trying to explain why it was a leak is the task at hand.
Unfortunately, that can’t be done logically because, at the time the leak occurred, the leaked information needed to be selective. Had they actually acknowledged the “declassification†openly at the time that they now assert it was declassified by the President, then the documents would have become immediately accessible to the press and the public. If that were to happen at the point in time when the issue was receiving scrutiny in the media, it may have minimized the intended smear of Wilson’s assertions. The media would have reviewed the entire document and found information that would have conflicted with the administrations assessment and potentially given some added credibility to Wilson’s assertions and accusations.
I would argue that the subsequent release of the document (I believe roughly ten days later) was also strategic. It gave the administration enough time to smear Wilson knowing full well that the flurry of media attention before the actual release of the document would provide the players a necessary window of opportunity to sufficiently cast doubt on Wilson’s assertions. In retrospect, the plan to smear Wilson was quite effective given that no significant traction would be gained by those who, at the time, doubted much of the intelligence being provided and the necessity to invade Iraq.
Further, I might speculate that the repercussions of the release of Valerie Plames name may have been a poorly vetted or overlooked detail that resulted in an unintended consequence. Unfortunately, her exposure and the subsequent attempt to cover it up and reconstruct the events has led to an abundance of doubt as to the intended actions of the President and his operatives. The full degree of damage to this President, who has billed himself as a straight shooter, is yet to be determined.
http://www.thoughttheater.com
SoonerThought – Betcha you can’t do it FIRST. :)
This morning, folks were speculating the Woodward wrote it.
Really? then he’s gone the rest of the way bat-shit insane.
I guess the delusions die hard.
Josh Marshall says of the WaPo editorial board:
For whatever reason, the Post has chosen to throw in its lot with the flurry of mendacious rhetoric and the white-washed investigations, all of which amount to a grand pen and paper and word game truss barely holding together the body of official lies that is still barely governing the capital.
They’ve made their deal with power. They should justify it on those grounds rather than choosing to mislead their readers.
And here’s a link to his take on the Niger uranium story that ran in the London Times today: This is the cover story concocted by the Italian government.
Can the Wilson’s take any kind of legal action against the WaPost for an editorial like that? It seems to slander them yet again.
Just asking…
In a home delivery market that includes the CIA, NSA, DIA, DEA, FBI, and BATF, I don’t think that editorial is going to go over very well.
What Pach said in 17, great, great post Jane.
No need for stenography refresher courses @ WaPo for fucking Hiatt, Vandehei, Schmidt, Howell, Kurtz, Brady
I think lump o’ stepford boyfriend killer librarian wrote it. It has the whhhaaa feel to it– ‘my husband was just doing the right thing, no matter what y’all say’. Or maybe Lynne Cheney did it. It has the trademark of someone who will defend the criminals no matter what. And since the Waaapoopoo has no integrity left, why not allow a guest editorial without assignation? Everything is possible.
Jane– incisive as usual. Why does our collective blood have to boil so quickly after it seems that the truth just might get out? This rethug machine is like the Terminator or Christine– keeps coming back for another whack.
And geeze, can’t people think of something more clever in their comments than some pun about Fitz?
Duh, no!
:)
So I was wrong.
Libby will definitely not be the ultimate cutout.
Because they have clearly decided to ride Lancelot Link right over the top.
But what amazes me is the fact that they think that there will now be no stampede down the forgery road.
(or is that what that codswallop in the Sunday Times today was all about?)
.
What is the purpose of this editorial? It has a flavour of desperation.
They have belatedly realized how seriously the general public takes the leak — and most of the news covarage, particularly the newspaper headlines, has already left the impression that Bush was the one who leaked Plame’s name. (I’m not so sure that this is actually wrong, though of course it goes beyond the presently-known facts.)
Anyway, this editorial flings every anti-Wilson in the hopes that something hits the fan. The result is mishmash. The only people who will understand it are the people like us who already know so much about the case that we know how many errors the editorial contains.
New nickname — WaPoop!!!
Great post, Jane — you Fitzify the huddled masses of reality based patriots, yearning to be free of the long nightmare of BushCo axes-of-evil.
On question — you wrote:
But the facts do not phase the surreal fantasies engaged in by the Post.
Did you mean to write faze instead of phase?
Just wondering . . .
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Fitz is right: a successful NigerGate prosecution cannot in itself “prove that the war was unjustified”, but it can indeed prove that a reality based community still exists in this country, including some courageous officials of the legal system. That’s a step back toward sanity; unfortunately, it’s happening without much help from the corporate media, whose deeply embedded editors and journalists enabled the Iraq disaster and the rest of the “democracy deficit”.
lump o’ stepford boyfriend killer librarian
like it
OT
The Hersh article prompted a reply from a Rumsfailed spokes woman. It was a non-denial denial. It pointed out that Hersh used one anon. scource for the article and that Hersh and the scource had been wrong before. My question is, how does Rumsfailed know who the scource is, and that there’s just one ? I doubt Hersh has ever told him.
I face the facts that the Post is out of phase with America in that the Editors aren’t fazed by political realities …
Look what I found over on post.blog by that prolific E.”Greg” Ious: Plame: Does your editorial staff ever think about reading the front page from time to time, you know, just to keep up?
Also Kurtz’s treatment of Jill Carroll is just shameful. After being held hostage for so long, she deserves some time to regain her equilibrium and sanity. Kurtz needs to pick on someone his own size, which is to say small-minded.
Sharkbabe, great one on “Fitzual Healing.”
http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/Marvin%20Gaye.html
Jane, btw, great title.
Hey, did Ben Domenech write that editorial? It reads just like one of his redstate.org screeds. It’s the same unmitigated garbage the wingnut trolls have been spouting in blog comments for 3 years now.
the response by the DOD on Seymour Hersch is the customary “He’s a bad man with bad motives.” No commenting on the facts, just ad-hominem put-down…
Well, I gave the Post my 2 cents worth.
Hiatt really is an asshat.
angie, I really like your post at the WaPoo:
“Your pro leak, pro Administration editorial today is the most execrable offering you have served up. Yes, the President has declassification authority. No, he does not have the right to lie to the American people and the rest of the world in order to conduct an illegal war. This is shameful and your support of it is doubly shameful. The outing of Valerie Plame damaged our national security and was a vengeful act to quash any honest criticism. What next, Wapo, will you sell his nuclear strike against Iran? The Wapo has become a propagandist rag.”
withdrawal of support !!!!
withdrawal of support!!!!
cancellation of subscription campaign
– one to two months and then re-subscribe. (unsubscribe/resubscribe doubles the cost to the corporation)
downey must go
hiatt must go
the entire editorial page must be replaced with intellectually honest commentaters, whatever their politics
john harris and his gang of the national political reporters (perhaps amnesty to pincus)
woodward must go
little debbie must go.
who did i forget.
let them get their subscriptions from the right-wingers they pander to.
OrionATL – You know what? I really like that idea. Sure, burn em with admin costs. Do it! Cancel. Then subscribe. Then cancel. Then subscribe. Then…
A copy of my posting to the WaPo blog, plus some other stuff that got EPU’d in last thread:
EPU’d from thread immediately before this one:
I’ll be taking the stuff that Fitzgerald says about wanting an intelligent jury — presumably because he realizes that his argument is strong enough to prevail with such a jury — directly to my Freshman Rhetoric students.
Every semester I ask those guys why, when you have an argument, you want to win clean rather than win using illegitimate tactics. Most of ‘em can get as far as “Well, what if you have to argue with the same person/audience again?†But none of ‘em ever get that you argue honestly so as to increase the chances that the best argument will prevail.
If we can stop Bush and save our frigging lives, a useful further project would be to use the then-discredited Bush/Rove tactics to give the populace practical lessons in rhetoric. Especially since they have used, with success, all of the oldest damn tricks in the book. This was also done after Watergate, most notably in my knowledge by Wm. Lutz in his Doublespeak books and by The Quarterly Review of Doublespeak which he edited (and which is soon to be reconstituted online).
OT but following up on earlier thread –
The characterization of the 2004 candidates Tweety talked about on his show this AM were not from the Luntz poll — it was an article published in the current issue of the Journal of Research in Personality (Cheney, smart; Edwards, feminine; Kerry, depressed –too much negative language; Bush, “oldest” –must be the daddy thing.)
http://tinyurl.com/rxhfh Link to abstract
Link to WaPo mention: http://tinyurl.com/o4aoe
If anyone has library access to the whole article, I would love to see it. Want to read for myself to see if WaPo or Tweety were even close to characterizing the research correctly.
db (#47)
you got it, man.
ben domenech’s firing was just a public p.r. stunt.
ben hs really been hiding out in a room in fred hiatt’s office suite.
that (ass)hiatt.
the WaPoo filters wouldn’t let me use the phrase “batshit crazy” about their Editorial Board.
If this was your audition for the soon-to-be created position as the Post’s “liberal” blogger, you blew it, big time.
And if this is the best shot the Bushites and their allies have to muster- and it undoubtedly is- they’re not only up the proverbial creek without a paddle, but their boat is fast sinking. Jeez, does the Post look silly today.
hey . . . I just had a snarky little idea
WaPo Blog
one of y’all should get over there and defend Nixon’s or the Pentagon Papers shit, using today’s ‘arguments’ – a biting parody- think it falls outside my skill set but there are plenty of candidates here. you can probably Wiki some of their Watergate Era Highlights to fuel your imaginations
hmmmmm
What strikes me as one of the more ridiculous aspects of the whole Niger uranium scam is the fact that Saddam had no reason to have how many 18 wheelers full of uranium hauled however many miles it is from Niger to Iraq and across however many borders it would necessitate. It is my understanding that uranium is available in the ground in Iraq – so all he had to do is round up some Iraqis and give ‘em shovels. But Murkans fall for the dumbest crap I guess.
cbl, they are on it:
“Hiatt:
Love you man, especially when you get under the skin of these liberal attack dogs. Keep up the good work, I don’t mind you screwing around with the facts when you’re pushing Dear Leader’s agenda.
Posted by: El Loco | April 9, 2006 06:18 PM”
rcauthen – Would that it would be the case. I am sad to say that the American public is not smart enough to do as you suggest. We are several generations behind the rest of the World. It’s going to be a tough next several years after the nuclear problem. I hope you survive, Sir. I probably will be gone as I live in a big city.
OT, Sorry that this is off topic, but after going offline last night I had a horrible thought. LOL Yes I do sometimes have thoughts.
When we were discussing the NSA spying and someone posted about the Mental Patient, I believe, being arrested for saying he wanted to cut Bush’s balls off for what he did too our country we all thought WTF is wrong when DHS took this as a threat against the fearless leader, a mental patient a threat, give me a break.
Well if they’ll go after a mental patient for something like that, what will they do to citizens who call BushCheney all those new pet names on the Blogs. Would they arrest us for that? You know, a threat against Bush’sCheney’s Integrity, Honesty, Moral Compass or their Humanity {actually being Human Beings etc… etc…?
These people running our country are all MAD, INSANE and EVIL. Hitler would no doubt make anyone disappear who spoke out about him, who thinks that these EVIL SOB’S are any different?
He could have us arrested for sedition or enemy combatants under his revised Patriot Act and held without any rights under our constitution for as he would state “They are trying to undermine and overthrow MY GOVERNMENT and are a danger to our society”. It was neccessary to stop them before they could do The NATON any harm.
Don’t think for a second that we are all not being spied upon by the NSA. After all we know what a vile person Bush and Cheney are and that they will do anything to retain power.
If they would use NUKES, which I have no doubt they would, then we are all in deep shit. If the Military don’t stand down against using NUKES then we are definitly looking at World War lll. We are also looking at the end of America as there will be nothing left after Russia and China use their NUKES to stop there madness. It will also be the end of the World.
ABC Nightly News is going to do a report on the Iran Nuke possibility shortly, you might want to catch it. It will be the first time I think this will be on the National News on TV. Might be a thing as many Americans will find out what this madman may do.
Sorry if this doesn’t seem to be in the right thread, but it is a scary thought what Bush would do to our country.
*ilson46201 – Try Batquano.
http://goarmy.com has all the recruiting info for Fred Hiatt’s 3 children
Posted by: Wilson46201 | April 9, 2006 05:58 PM
LMAO.
Jane, it is not good to hold things in. Tell us what you really think.
From the post.blog:
I tend to have a positive appreciation for the Washington Post editorial today about Bush’s NIE leak. The fact that the discourse is being forced up the ladder from hack reporters, to partisan columnists, and now anonymous editorials means that there probably aren’t too many more cards to fall in this charade. As ranks close the attacks will undoubtedly become more vitriolic and concentrated by dint of there being fewer people willing to weigh in on the administration’s side of this. Their gene pool of logic and reason is shrinking by the day (Hello Arlen Specter!). Bush/Cheney/etc. are calling in all the favors they have this week so look for some good fireworks as they flail and flop around, looking for a handhold.
Posted by: Eric | April 9, 2006 06:07 PM
Hello, Arlen Specter!
I don’t agree it should be looked at as desperation (even if it is). The one-two punch of WaPo and Kristol today heralds a media swiftboating of Fitz. Don’t think they can’t do it and succeed at it, unless we stop them.
The corp media are Bushco’s handmaidens in evil, period. We have to both slice through them (a la V for Vendetta when the mass of people walk through the soldiers) – infiltrating the belly of their beast with our interestingness and truth, e.g. Christy, Kos, Maryscott, Greenwald, Arvosis (still mad at him though) – and continue our more fundamental creation of something new here that will ultimately put to rest the bullshit power of tv altogether.
Isn’t the big story here that they leaked information that they knew had been debunked? That’s pretty damn damaging, I would think.
This is just a superb post Jane. Really.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0409.html
“Some of the other commenters make good points. The Post should really fix that ridiculous, biased article by Gellman and Linzer on the front page today.
Posted by: Brainster | April 9, 2006 05:56 PM”
Jane, I’d finally cooled off after reading the Post hours ago, and you angered up my blood again.
Just cancelled my subscription, which was overdue.
If the shoe Fitz…
Jane — You’ve hit another one out of the park!
Siun — I’m pretty sure that was Iran-Contra, or BCCI or something else post-Watergate.
And what’s up with Lieberman — haven’t heard a word about him today.
I do think these creeps are getting scared, and desperate, but that only makes them more dangerous and the stakes are so high. Just interesting how the Dominionist/Millenialist/Zionist/Halliburtonist agendas all dovetail so well with Dubya’s psychopathology.
As for Iran, I literally had to sit down in a hurry for a minute earlier today when I realized that, in a very real sense, we’ve been living on borrowed time since Hiroshima and Nagasaki: MAD was fine during the Cold War but even then the real fear was that some rogue nation would… oh, wait, such delicious irony, the rogue nation is US.
gag.
what’s the link for these Wapoo coments?
Josh Marshall is shrill:
WaPo server is a mite busy about NOW. Heh, heh. heh. Poor devils.
Oh Jane, that was a work of art. Bra-freaking-vo.
Isn’t the big story here that they leaked information that they knew had been debunked?
Well, someone on the NYT reporting side kinda thinks so: Iraq Findings Leaked by Cheney’s Aide Were Disputed
WASHINGTON — President Bush’s apparent order authorizing a senior White House official to reveal to a reporter previously classified intelligence about Saddam Hussein’s efforts to obtain uranium came as the information was already being discredited by several other officials in the administration, interviews and documents from the time show. …
marky -
http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..aunch.html
WaPoo Blog http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..aunch.html
Link to WaPo blog:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..aunch.html
Thanks Jane,
I occasionally get on to reply to Christy’s pieces, but often not on yours (I’m commenting from Greece and the time difference is ten hours later here). This piece is a brilliant dissection of the misrepresentation up today on the WP editorial page (Hiatt) and such a smack down that I will be nominating it for several of the next Koufax awards’ bests, unless something better comes up. In the meantime, however, I will also suggest a new category for them “most accurate clinical analysis of political bullshit.”
My thanks to Christy as welll in addition to all of the commening individuals who provide so much provocative and informative content on the law and media coverage.
” The Washington Post “: at War with Itself
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp…..1002314409
It’s hard out there for a pimp.
rcauthen #54, very nice
still working on my lil’ piece of outrage – must pace self, they’re gonna get more than one
great post Jane
Nedra Pickler (love that name!) of the AP in the WaPo about Arlen etc and the Leaker-in-Chief http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..components
And here’s another shout-out to Knight Ridder’s Warren P. Strobel and Ron Hutcheson: Libby Testimony Shows a White House Pattern of Intelligence Leaks
… In November 2003, the conservative magazine The Weekly Standard published highly classified raw intelligence purporting to a show a link between Saddam and al-Qaida.
The Pentagon disavowed the report. But in early January 2004, Cheney told the Rocky Mountain News newspaper that the magazine report was the “best source of information” about the Saddam/al-Qaida connection. That connection has never been proved.
The WaPo is simply the Court Circular.
Well, I’ve just sent in my first to the WaPo blog:
Your title, “A Good Leak” is apt only in that a good leak feels good to the leaker. The editorial itself is rank hypocrisy, and Katharine Graham’s newspaper now reeks worse than stale urine. Hope y’all are proud of what you’ve accomplished here; the rest of the country, otoh, has more than had enough.
Is this what they mean by ‘writing for filthy lucre’?
“The one-two punch of WaPo and Kristol today heralds a media swiftboating of Fitz. Don’t think they can’t do it and succeed at it, unless we stop them”.
That “one-two” punch packed all the wallop of a Montgomery Burns haymaker.
I hope the Bushites continue in their feeble attempts to swiftboat Fitzgerald and his Untouchables. The brighter the light shined on his investigation, the greater will be the Joe & Jill Sixpack’s understanding of the stakes involved.
RE: Fred Hiatt, useful fool and/or cynical bootlicker
Someone here must have cited that old saw before, but it bears repeating:
The critical duty of all trusted newspaper editors is to separate the wheat from the chaff — and make goddamn sure the chaff gets printed.
“Be honest — when you first read “A Good Leak” didn’t you wonder for just a moment if the Post had been punked by Ben Domenech? The irony was just too rich having that editorial appear on the same day that the Gellman and Linzer article skewers the argument it makes by reviewing the facts.
Posted by: AJ | April 9, 2006 06:47 PM “
OT *ilson, loved your post about the Front Page/Editorial page split at the WSJ.
from the WaPoo Blog
Well, that’s it for me; if this paper isn’t good enough for Fred Hiatt (one of its own editors) to read, then why should I waste my time?
Posted by: Kevin N | April 9, 2006 06:53 PM
My cat refuses to use that paper. Says it would be redundant.
Here’s a crazy cat thought…..
The writer of the editorial actually penned it on Friday just before lunch, put it in the hopper, turned off the crackberry, and then took off for Augusta to watch golf safe in the knowledge that he/she had done their bit to help the Admin. keep making it’s won reality.
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From a new piece in Time:
“Lawyers involved in the case say the testimony increases the chances that Plame and Wilson will file a civil suit against Administration officials. “The difficulty,” says a lawyer familiar with their plans, “will be in selecting among the many possible claims and the many possible defendants.”
http://www.time.com/time/magaz…..35,00.html
Feel free to plagiarize me WaPo.
Just watching Mickelson and Couples walking together to the green at 16 and their comraderie all afternoon. Two classy competitors who clearly like and respect one another.
Goes along with the murmurs I am reading today regarding Romney’s coup in MA on health insurance. Quoted today to the effect that he disagrees with almost everything T Kennedy supports, but this is so important that D and R HAD to work together. That will resonate in 08 and why I don’t think polarizing Hillary has a prayer.
Romney also brilliant — the D legislature did all the heavy lifting on this one, but boy, does he come out smelling like the rose — esp when W was here in Bridgeport Wed talking about his health savings accounts that are total BS.
dannyboy – Can’t get anyone’s attention to the email question. Can you?
Is this what they mean by ‘writing for filthy lucre’?
Yeah, but it reads more like writing that was done with one’s tit caught in a big fat wringer.
thanks kirby, I perused the luntz link – nothing about those hard right slanted adjectives, yours is the ticket, that’s where the effeminate Tweety got that shite. He almost drooled on himself, as he grinned when he got to pump up BushCheneyco and criticize Kerry and Edwards.
That’s some shit from the crevices of nowheresville. The rethug/fascisti research nerds are working overtime. A grand effort is under way to help the thugs recover from their current tailspin. If the dems continue their sleepwalking – remaining silent and clueless, they (the rethugs) might pull out of this mess. Nearly all the media is giving them all they want. They get to make the topics – immigration, freekin baseball steroids, while the world burns.
“Soooooo, Fred,
If this is a “good leak”, why didn’t Bush just answer Wilson’s claims himself instead of telling someone to tell someone to tell someone like a lovesick Jr. High girl. AND, why didn’t he stand up when Libby was being indicted and say, “I told him to say that.”
Posted by: motherlowman | April 9, 2006 06:59 PM”
Ok, I took a swing:
Haven’t been here for a while…
I’m just checking to see if the Post ever offered proof that Abramoff directed donations to Democrats. You guys still on that topic, or has something else come up? Oh, and by proof, I mean something other than a link to a tendentious Wapoo article without any documentation either.
Cal — I think they’ve chosen not to.
“There has to be a detailed explanation as to precisely what Vice President Cheney did, what the president said to him and an explanation by the president as to what he said,” Specter said.
Specter is all talk.
post blog quite funny!
I’m sure this has been brought up, but isn’t it true that if Libby were pardoned now, there would be no 5th Amendment he could claim and would thus have to fully testify as to everything?
“A Good Leak” refers to what the author did on the public.
I think that the WaPo better fire all those journalists that have been writing false stories in the paper. I’m just glad that we are now getting the corrected version. Better late than never, as they say.
kirby 55
Regarding that study in Journal of Personality Research–Matthews was pretty simplistic. I read the article, and it has a lot of dense linguistic methodological hoo-hah in it. It was as much about analytical techniques of language as anything. Matthews left out this interesting tidbit from the study: Bush has the lowest scores on “linguistic cognitive complexity as well as general cognitive ability–relative to judges’ ratings of past presidents.” (pg.9) So, Bush not only sounds stupider, he is indeed stupider than other presidents. If anybody spins the “Bush sounds presidential” part at you, be sure and mention the “Bush is stupid” part.
The Vice President authorized fighter aircraft to engage the inbound plane. He told us he based this authorization on his earlier conversation with the President.
pg 58 of the 9/11 Commission Report
Defendant’s participation in a critical conversation with Judith Miller on July 8 (discussed further below) occurred only after the Vice President advised defendant that the President specifically had authorized defendant to disclose certain information in the NIE.
pg 19 of Document 80 04/05/2006
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Anyone else seeing a pattern here? Cheney tells people Bush has ok’d orders, but how do we know Bush really has said these things?
If there is a war going on between the Prez and VP’s offices, we should see some casualties soon. Legal and career casualties, not the physical kind.
“A Good Leak†refers to what the author did on the public.
Don’t leak on your readers’ legs and tell them it’s raining.
Can’t post this yet – WP blog busy.
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp…..1002314409
“Also, the NIE was not first published for public consumption but leaked to “friendly reporter,†Judith Miller of The New York Times (who didn’t even write about it). Even then, Libby selectively quoted form the NIE, accentuating the part that seemed to bolster the Bush case and ignoring the doubts. This cherry-picking, in fact, mirrored the conduct of the administration (and the Post editorial page) during the entire run-up to the war. “
We are on to you, a-holes.
the Mighty Washington Post Blog Server seems to have given up the ghost… just when we were having so much fun ! I just posted Georgia10s stuff from Kos there too!
John Casper says:
April 9th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
Thank you, John. ;)
WaPoo, everyone — WaPoo . . .
WaPo is so before this steamin’ pile . . .
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Joe Lieberman quoted: he is willing to run as an Independent depending on how the primary works out.
Assuming Lieberman loses the primary, he can’t get the Republican nod unless he “switched” parties right about now. If anything, Lieberman will split the vote virtually ensuring that the Republican candidate will win. What a swell guy — he’s always looking out for his true friends!
I would hope that Lieberman’s dem friends, the ones who spoke up for him at that dinner, would have something to say if that’s true about him turning independent.
Who exactly reads the WaPooh at this point? Has anyone actually seen a breakdown of the demographic stats on readership. Is it mostly upper middle class white suburbinites? Who buys ads in this rag? I find it hard to believe the black majority which makes up DC buy it. Are copies bought up in bulk by NeoCon ‘think tanks’ like they bulk buy ‘best sellers’ in order to prop up this Potemkin Newspaper?
The WaPooh must be secretly subsidized because it doesn’t seem possible it can stand on it’s own two financial feet printing this type of ‘propaganda for payola.’
Look, look, It walks, It talks, It crawls on It’s belly like a tin can.
kirby 100
Romney scares me. Governors in prez. elections can run on an outsider, clean-up-Washington message in ways that senators and such cannot. (See Bush 2000, Clinton 92, Reagan 80, Carter 76, etc). My big fear is that Romney is the Repub nominee against Hillary. That would be a disaster. Romney is the most threatening GOP 2008 candidate, IMHO.
Looks like the WaPo blog’s servers are getting a little overwhelmed right now – couldnt comment. Great comments have been posted there – needless to say they are feeling the heat. Lets keep piling on – they just somehow keep out-doing themselves, dont they? This last “editorial” is really beyond words. They must be shown the light.
the DCCC is pouring massive money into 2 hot winnable Congressional races in Connecticut against Shays and Simmons. Lieberman could fuck that up …
there comes a time when all good soldiers engaged in lost causes come to realize that there is nothing left to save. The Washington Post, corporate media in the US, their GOP propagandist journalists and pundits are one big pile of smoldering crap. No reason to spend any time or energy on it…the world awaits the ascendant left.
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Like crooks everywhere at least when they get caught, the White House according to NBC news will not comment about the declassification because they do not want to prejudice due process. Of course, if they had followed process in the first place, declassification would not be an issue.
It’s also eerie how the WaPo echoes the White House line. I mean its form, not its substance. Just like the White House the WaPo makes a case based on information that they know to be false. Moreover, they do so without any apparent embarrassment as if it is something perfectly natural and appropriate to do.
Government and media have come to a place where ideology trumps reality. Today’s editorial is another example of a mindset that says: Facts, we don’t need no stinking facts! We’re the government, WaPo, NYT, MSNBC, CNN, etc. We’re Chris Matthews, George Bush, Tim Russert, Donald Rumsfeld, Judy Miller, Bob Woodward. We’re the editors and enablers. We’re connected. We’re incestuous. We’re cool.
We’re the editors and enablers. We’re connected. We’re incestuous. We’re cool.
Well said, Hugh !
Why not just start a campaign to boycott the Post? If liberals can mobilize to deliver rubber stamps to Congress, it shouldn’t be a challenge to show the Washington Post our gross dissatisfaction with their editorial positions.
Cancel print and online subscriptions and make it clear why you are doing so: the paper’s consistent failure to uphold basic journalistic standards of objectivity and candor.
The Washington Post used to be balanced — exposing hypocrisy and deceit among America’s political class. But somewhere between MonicaGate and 9/11, it started to act like a Murdoch publication, diving for the bones thrown at it by conservatives and the Bush White House.
A lot can be accomplished in this nation through shame. Let the Washington Post feel the heat of our collective displeasure!
another goodie from the WaPoo Blog
So, who ya gonna believe – Fred Hiatt or the lyin’ facts gathered by the WaPo’s own reporters?
Posted by: J. P. Thompson | April 9, 2006 07:26 PM
This one probably won’t last long:
Did Sue Schmidt take dictation on that editorial from Rove? Inquiring minds want to know.
“The mysteries of Moqtada al-Sadr, cont’d”
By Swopa Apr 9 2006 – 3:55pm
“Nir Rosen, who has reported extensively from Iraq over the past three years, has an article in the Boston Review this month that may partially explain why the U.S. has tilted so much in favor of a “government of national unity” (that is, one that gives Iraq’s minority Sunnis more clout and its majority Shiites less) in recent month:….”
http://www.needlenose.com/
Hiatt is getting less support than Xerox Ben.
Huzzah to the Post, for beating back the socialist enablers of appeasement and speaking truth for power with one mighty blow.
As ample liberalphobic precedent has firmly established, ‘when the President does it, it’s not illegal’…The Leader Of The Free World has enough irrelevant bedevilment from the Democrat-supported Islamofascistic hydra without bothering himself with some obscure legal niceties that are the sole province of nanny-state ninnies who go goo-goo for terror like little girls in a Wal-Mart Barbie aisle whilst supping on finger sandwiches and tea with Joseph Wilson and his so-called ’spy wife’, pinkies delicately upraised in the international sign for surrender, and seditious trysting of an unseemly nature.
When will America lift the scales from its eyes and heed worthies as Ken Mehlman, and cease this senseless, pointless prosecution of an anointed innocent and all-American patriot, Irving ‘Scooter’ Libby?
When will the faith of our fathers triumph over the godless so-called ‘reality community’, burying such petty trivialities in the ash-heap of history?
When will informative scribes such as Ann Coulter and Jerome Corsi have the vital information that they alone possess placed front and center before an American public starved for the truth of how Democrat-sponsored liberal terrorism has put us forth on the path of societal extinction?
When? when? When?
Yours,
Christian White
;>)
Hugh says:
The WaPooh is under Rovesputin’s ‘Reality Distortion Force Field’, either that or large secure bank transfers to Swiss/Cayman Island accounts.
It’s either willful delusion or shillful pollution.
Did you ever read the ‘we make our own reality’ spew by a WH aid?
I’m in the “Reality Based Community”, poor me.
does Jim Brady even read the comments on his own blogs?
no. and. no.
I think we should get Fred Hiatt a subscription to the WaPo…no guarantee he’d read it of course, but, it’s worth a try…
Siun- I don’t know anything worth saying about immunity grants from Congress, but here is a Talkleft link from last year about the possiblity
http://www.talkleft.com/new_archives/011654.html
It was a tough day for Joe, and by default not a great one for Barack. Click on email Barack Obama if anyone wants to ask what he thinks about his buddy Joe Lieberman’s quote that he’s willing to turn his back on the Democratic party. I bet we don’t see any huge endorsements coming Joe’s way anytime soon.
Jane, I started chuckling at your heated prose, but assumed you were overreacting.
Then I linked to the WaPo OpEd, and within 2 paragraphs, I just felt unaccountably sad… really, really just… sad.
How could whoever wrote this OpEd — whether Hiatt, Rove, Woodward — read the official legal documents posted on public websites (INCLUDING the WaPo’s!!) and still write this?!
There’s something cognitively alarming here. I’m not simply being snarky here in stating that I hope Mr. Hiatt checks in with his physician soon, because this OpEd is evidence of a real tragedy. Something’s amiss with whoever would write this, particularly given the available public documents and past week’s reporting.
Many of us here on this list don’t work in gov’t, don’t work in DC… and yet we “normal folks” have enough clear headedness to read this thing and go… “this is BIZARRE.”
This OpEd is describing a period within 6 weeks of a president (put in Truman, put in LBJ, put in Nixon if you think that I’m just being a rude lefty)… flyiing onto a US aircraft carrier in ‘full flight suit’ and strutting in front of a sign reading “Mission Accomplished.”
During this same period, the WMD was **not** turning up, which the entire world had been assured was the reason for the invasion — so it’s not like one has to be any sort of intellectual powerhouse to see INCREDIBLE motive on the part of the WH (and neocons) to strike out at anyone who so much as intimated that any evidence leading up to the invasion was questionable.
There is so much more that I could say — but I guess that I’ll end this post with 4 thoughts:
(1) It does not require any extra IQ points to figure out that the WH had a ton of motives to go after Wilson, particularly during summer 2003 with no WMD and a war spinning offkilter.
(2) Wilson also had motives — professional, if not humanitarian. Oviously his reputation was going to be shit if he’d been to Niger, done his job, and then allowed the WH to make him look like a lying fool. Plus, he’d served in Baghdad– that was hardly any secret! I can’t believe that anyone writing an OpEd would miss something so obvious as the fact that just by getting out of bed in the morning, this post-State Dept, post-Baghdad, post-Niger erudite professional was going to be an implicit threat to the neocons and the WH. In fact, he was probably one of their worst nightmares — he had crediblity and their actions were undermining his professional reputation. These are not complicated motives… then add on the fact that he had 2 tiny kids to support, and he’d have been a completely irresponsible father if he had failed to fight for his professional reputation and credibility. He sure as hell had to set the record straight so he could support his tiny kids. This does not require a Journalism degree to figure out.
(3) This OpEd is **weirdly** lacking in historical context, or logical cohesiveness… something’s really ‘odd’ here and that leaves me to wonder — not simply to be snarky, but to honestly question — the health of whoever wrote this. There’s a much sadder thing happening here; this is just the evidence of something very sad. (Having said that, I’ll also note that Jane, you are funny, funny, funny! when you get riled ;-)))
(4) One glaring error at the heart of this WaPo editorial is how it completely misses what Fitz said back in October, which is that people who work in dangerous jobs, on behalf of us all, should NOT be undercut, nor jeapardized — particularly by anyone who has more legal or institutional authority (!). To all the many, many people in the FBI, CIA, DoD and elsewhere whose efforts to investigate, follow correct legal procedures, document wrongdoing some of us **do** respect and appreciate it.
For the WaPo to miss the motives, the patterns of deceit, the intentional ‘targeting’ of individuals is weird. At a human level, whoever wrote this OpEd needs help. This is really, really sad.
Dear Fred,
Do you ever read our stuff? It’s pretty good. All you have to do is flip over a few pages. We’re pretty good writers, and more often than not we tend to base our information on supporting evidence given.
I realize that’s a bit of a different world than the Op-Eds, but you really might want to take a look at our stuff sometime.
We’ll keep you in mind the next time we write up a piece.
Posted by: Barton Gellman and Dafna Linzer | April 9, 2006 07:38 PM
112, Cleter –
Thanks for the analysis on the linguistics piece — that is precisely why I wanted to read the whole thing.
119, Demosthenes –
There has not been a genuine R against Lieberman or Dodd the while time they have been in the Senate. Thus, an I run by Joe is essentially running as the R.
Wow,I just got back from taking my son back to his mom’s house.Looks like I missed a Fitztavial good time.Glad I got to post.com early on ’cause it sounds like that pots ‘a boiling.
from the previous thread;thanks for noticing *ilson46201 and Jayt,I was writing strait from the heart.Oops,I ment fart,gimmie that wapoo page.
Jane -
Has Bob Woodward ever written an editorial for the Washington Post?
darkblack 133
“nanny-state ninnies who go goo-goo for terror like little girls in a Wal-Mart Barbie aisle whilst supping on finger sandwiches and tea with Joseph Wilson and his so-called ’spy wife’”
that is the funniest damned thing I’ve seen in a long time. that is–driftglass funny, that is.
Has anyone considered that KKKarl has video of Fred Hiatt engaged in Satanism or beastiality?
The editorial has such a disconnect from reality that it is probable that Fred is on tape engaged in Satanism And beastiality.
That or Hiatt got some bad mushrooms. It can happen to anyone Fred, don’t be ashamed.
The more I think about it, the more I agree with whomever said that Laura B. wrote it. I don’t think even Fred Hiatt could be that strikingly out of touch. Whatever Laura’s reality is, I don’t even want to know.
At a human level, whoever wrote this OpEd needs help. This is really, really sad.
At a human level, we citizens of the USA and other inhabitants of planet Earth need help. This is a really, really sad example of how the corporaphilic media has betrayed all of us. Serving up steaming piles of BushCo propaganda instead of honest reporting is the reason we have Gangsters ruining our country.
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I sent a letter to the WaPo editors with some of the same material as has been so well covered by others, but pointing out another important conflation contained within the statement in the Good Leak Editorial stating: “After more than 2 1/2 years of investigation, Mr. Fitzgerald has reported no evidence to support Mr. Wilson’s charge.â€
The “reported no evidence” statement has been well addressed here, but more to the point Mr. Fitzgerald is not investigating Mr. Wilson’s charges per se, he is investigating a referral from the CIA (that Libby is now alleged to be obstructing).
Then of course, I couldn’t help but ask the editors if they understood the difference… Mr. Fitzgerald’s task isn’t about Mr. Wilson’s charges, even if Mr. Fitzgerald’s investigation provides evidence to “support Mr. Wilson’s charge.” Confusing Wilson’s charges with the US Attorney’s investigation is a dishonest editorial ruse in an attempt to change the focus outside of the matter at hand.
Hey gang,
Check out this great piece of snark on the WaPo blog:
“Dear Fred,
Do you ever read our stuff? It’s pretty good. All you have to do is flip over a few pages. We’re pretty good writers, and more often than not we tend to base our information on supporting evidence given.
I realize that’s a bit of a different world than the Op-Eds, but you really might want to take a look at our stuff sometime.
We’ll keep you in mind the next time we write up a piece.
Posted by: Barton Gellman and Dafna Linzer | April 9, 2006 07:38 PM “
Bwaahaahaahaa
It really is quite a stunningly arrogant ploy by the Bush/Rove spin machine.
When the story initially broke they were shocked, shocked that anyone would accuse someone in the Whitehouse of leaking the story. “Ridiculous” huffed McLellan.
After 3 years and an independant investigator–the same people now claim that it is ridiculous that they would not have leaked the news in order to set the record straight.
Takes some arrogance and some mendacity and lots of scorn and contempt for the American people.
-GSD
cleter,
I too, think Romney has a real shot in 08 for all the reasons you name. Here is Jonathan Alter’s take — I think he raises some very valid points. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12…../newsweek/
I still am not sold on Hillary as the D candidate — she is too much of the same — the 04 Kerry campaign in a pantsuit — not standing for anything so she doesn’t offend anyone. She is clearly so not Bill.
Dannyboy – thanks for confirming on Iran/Contra and Mary thank you for the link. This worries me as we get clearer on what was going on. Specter holding a hearing and having Cheney, et al come in for a bit of mea culpa in return for a grant of immunity – sorta like changing the FISA law now that it’s been broken.
Bob Adams – I’m heading to Obama’s Town Hall tomorrow – not sure I’ll get to ask a question – depends on size of audience, etc but I realized that I have 3 main questions:
1- what is he planning to do to stop a nuclear attack on Iran?
2- when is he going to support censure and impeachment of a president who lies us into war and commits treason by outing a NOC?
3- Is his HopeFund still raising cash for Lieberman given that JL will not even promise to support the parties candidate?
I sure hope some other FDLers are planning to attend so we can coordinate all the questions.I signed onto Pach’s IL Google Group and I’m hoping we canget a good group together.
Jane Hamsher you’re amazing! What an inspired post. I wish I could write so well. At any rate, and inspite of (or perhaps at least partly because of) Fred Hiatt, the truth will be made known, and soon I believe.
People are missing the irony here. WP was the house organ of Ken Starr. He illegaly leaked to them and the WP news and editorial pages carried water for him.
I wish Jane would do some investigative work and disclose the corrupt and incestious relationship between the Bush regime and the WP. Specifically the govt contracts WP has received from Bush under the no child left behind act. It is all about the money. WP is getting huge contracts from Bush. This is their payback to Bush.
Posted over at Atrios’s joint:
“I’m confident the president knows who the source is,” Novak told a luncheon audience at the John Locke Foundation in Raleigh on Tuesday. “I’d be amazed if he doesn’t.”
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Tasty.
readerOfTeaLeaves >”…There’s something cognitively alarming here…”
Which leads me to suspect that it was a group project; stuck together from several different pieces from several different authors
A Cluster Munge
“The future will be a struggle between huge competing systems of psychopathology.” – J. G. Ballard
Fred Hiatt is a counterfitzgeraldologist.
Wapo Sunday editorials are printed in Outlook section (an extended editorials/op-ed/columns section) – not in A Section like the other 6 days of the week. Weekend sections are printed ahead of time like Fri night or Sat. Hiatt probably wrote this on Fri and he most probabkly didn’t know about Gellman/Linzer article until later. On Fri, all the cables and blogs were going non-stop about the leak. So he couldn’t wait and jumped the gun.
Not that his editorial would have been any different, had he seen Gellman’s report.
tasch:
April 9th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Great stuff.
There are Op-Eds and Op-Outs
Fred Hiatt has obviously “Oped-Out”, of the reality based community that is.
If this was “Sally Meets Harry”, I’d tell the waitress that I’m definitely NOT having what Fred is having.
daCascadian
April 9th, 2006 at 4:56 pm
A Cluster Munge
What a concept, I must store this one away for later use!
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The Washington Post has crossed the line so egregiously with this propaganda piece that it occurs to me that there may be some good news here, in the end. The backlash from the reality-based blogosphere and whatever other left-leaning media exists (AirAmerica is all that comes immediately to mind) has been and will continue to be massive (multiply Ben Domenech by 10). That rebuttal to the WaPo’s lies will be delivered to an audience that far surpasses the audience that to WaPo expected to reach in the first place. A very dangerous game these faux journalists are playing as the reality-based community grows by the hour.
Seems to me that once again, the corpo-fascists are attempting to create their own reality and I fully anticipate the wurlitzer will grab on to this editorial and herald it as the baseline of established fact regarding this story, casually throwing in the “WaPo is no conservative voice” bullshit in an attempt to paint a picture of balance (as Russert did this morning).
The fascists are pulling out all the stops on this one because they know it has the potential to be the final nail in Bush’s coffin. They’ve buried and spun every instance of BushCo’s lawbreaking and this will have to be their best effort yet. I think they’ve gone too far and it’s only going to make matters worse.
ck at #147, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the degree of trouble we are in… (without even bringing up Hersh’s news!). This OpEd is so bizarre it belongs in a med school course about delusional thinking — very, very sad.
daCascadian at #156, good point. It’s incoherent, bordering on bizarre. Very likely a group project.
The WaPo needs to get a huge Reality Check over this one.
Bah. The Washington Post is dead to me. Feh.
Except for Froomkin. Otherwise, dead to me.
Ooh, I wish I had a subscription to it, just so I could cancel.
suin – “I’m heading to Obama’s Town Hall tomorrow – not sure I’ll get to ask a question -
1- what is he planning to do to stop a nuclear attack on Iran?”
That’s the one that I’m most worried about, but keep in mind that the BushCo Ministry of Misinformation may be throwing around the “nukular” option just to make it look a lot more reasonable when they initiate conventional bombing, such as pre-invasion Iraq. You might want to simply ask if they’re going to bomb Iran.
But yeah, if you get to the Lieberman question, ask him about it. I haven’t heard the direct quote yet, but I’ve set the “trailor park-tivo” (my VCR) to record the 10 and 11pm news. There are plenty of pictures showing Lieberman talking into mics from today’s appearance.
Good luck!
Just as WaPo becomes WaPoo,
enabling becomes aiding and abetting.
Jay,glad you mentioned that Russert quote,I wondered if anyone else had caught that.Funny how the good old MSM can feed turds to each other and call it news.Rove trained ‘em all well.
For anyone waiting for the thread to move along,go see Georga10’s post over at Kos.I’m not even gonna try to quote it,go see it yourself.gonna go check Digby now,see ya.
By the way, I would like to thank Chief Strutting Codpiece for the $2.79 gallon of gas.
Heckuva job, asscrack.
-GSD
Catching up. Great post Jane. Haven’t had time to read all the comments yet, but I did post over at WaPOO.
And, Jane, since this article will doubtless be passed around and cited, typo alert: unmittigated should be unmitigated. I wouldn’t mention this except that I know you care about such. VG
GSD,
I’ll bet his oil buddies are thanking him too.
Digby has a good take on Kristol’s spin this morning.
ccmask (#157)–
Fred Hiatt is a counterfitzgeraldologist
Now, now.
Let’s leave Geraldo out of this for now, shall we?
After all, I’m sure no one here would want to disparage Mr Rivera’s integrity by linking him to the writer of today’s editorial.
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I’m seeing people cite the Butler report as the be-all and end-all, no matter that Tenet didn’t agree. But that’s where some wingers are right now, using that as a source.
The meaning of “is” is….
And here’s something from Media Matters about that.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512130008
And geez, after reading that editorial, I was highly anxious. The idea of being killed in the shower with a rolled up newspaper isn’t so psycho after all.
Jane probably did a better job than I can, but I tried to take a look at the Post’s editorial from my own “gee I wish we didn’t all have to lie to each other” perspective and here is what I came up with.
Please Mr. Post, Man!
An Open Letter to the Washington Post Editorial Board
The Editorial Board,
The Post editorial page presented what might be considered the best possible case for the Bush administration’s selective leaking of classified intelligence to bolster it’s case for the Iraq invasion in “A Good Leak”(April 9, 2006). It is not clear exactly what the motives are for the Post to defend this president, but the tactics that the Post has chosen go so far from the boundaries of reasonable debate that I am forced to assume that the editorial page is simply afraid of the consequences of the American people asking the administration to start taking responsibility for their actions. Let’s take a look at the Post editorial alongside a few other plausible versions of the events to see if the story, as told by the Post, really rises to the merits of inclusion on the editorial page.
We’ll skip the headline and sub-headline, and move right to the first paragraph of the editorial:
“President Bush was right to approve the declassification of parts of a National Intelligence Estimate about Iraq three years ago in order to make clear why he had believed that Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons. Presidents are authorized to declassify sensitive material, and the public benefits when they do. But the administration handled the release clumsily, exposing Mr. Bush to the hyperbolic charges of misconduct and hypocrisy that Democrats are leveling.”
To begin with, the President did not “approve the declassification”, so the Post has opted for dishonesty in the first sentence. Through Mr. Cheney or Mr. Bush, Scooter Libby was “authorized” to dish out limited segments of the NIE to Judith Miller and others. I have read that this òüdishingòý involved Mr. Libby sitting down with Ms. Miller and pulling a folded piece of paper from his pocket, telling her that it was a portion of the classified NIE, and then ostensibly reading some of it to her or describing its’ contents before returning it to his pocket. We know that Mr. Libby’s characterization of the document to Ms. Miller was far from accurate, that contradictory information was withheld, and that the entire document was not given to Ms. Miller for verification. To call this a “clumsy release” as the Post has done, is truly the height of editorial irresponsibility. It would more appropriately be called a very artful and cleverly calculated release of carefully selected information to the journalist whose entire career was built around promoting fears of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. To trumpet, as the administration has, that the full document was publicly released a week later, is disingenuous, at best. A week later, pundits, the administration, and the media can toss off questions about the report as “old news”. Also implicit in the Post’s statement, and explicit in the editorial’s headline is the assumption that the NIE was the basis of, or had influenced the President’s decision to go to war in Iraq. Let’s go back and look at the Post’s Op-Ed “What I Knew Before the Invasion” by Former Senator Bob Graham on Nov. 20, 2005. Graham was the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence during the run-up to the Iraq war. Here’s what Graham wrote:
“At a meeting of the Senate intelligence committee on Sept. 5, 2002, CIA Director George Tenet was asked what the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) provided as the rationale for a preemptive war in Iraq. An NIE is the product of the entire intelligence community, and its most comprehensive assessment. I was stunned when Tenet said that no NIE had been requested by the White House and none had been prepared. Invoking our rarely used senatorial authority, I directed the completion of an NIE.
Tenet objected, saying that his people were too committed to other assignments to analyze Saddam Hussein’s capabilities and will to use chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. We insisted, and three weeks later the community produced a classified NIE.”
It is worthwhile to note that this activity in September of 2002 occurred eight months after Graham had learned that the war in Afghanistan was being compromised by preparations for the Iraq invasion. To my knowledge, nobody has disputed any of Graham’s claims. Does the Post dispute the fact that the NIE was produced long after the decision to invade had already been made? With what justification does the Post claim that the President used the information in the NIE to decide on the war?
The Post editorial the goes on about “usual declassification procedures” and the ham-handedness of the administration, but let’s stay on the topic of the NIE for a moment. Graham describes it as follows:
“There were troubling aspects to this 90-page document. While slanted toward the conclusion that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction stored or produced at 550 sites, it contained vigorous dissents on key parts of the information, especially by the departments of State and Energy. Particular skepticism was raised about aluminum tubes that were offered as evidence Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program. As to Hussein’s will to use whatever weapons he might have, the estimate indicated he would not do so unless he was first attacked.
Under questioning, Tenet added that the information in the NIE had not been independently verified by an operative responsible to the United States. In fact, no such person was inside Iraq. Most of the alleged intelligence came from Iraqi exiles or third countries, all of which had an interest in the United States’ removing Hussein, by force if necessary.”
So, the report had plenty of dissenting information in the NIE. How much of this information did Libby share with Miller? How much of it was in Bush’s State of the Union Address? Of course, the Post and many pundits will claim that everybody points out the facts that bolster their argument. That is probably true, but I would prefer that the debate be held on considerably higher ground when the issue is whether or not to take the nation to war. Does the Post disagree?
Now let’s see what Murray Waas of the National Journal says about it in “What Bush Was Told About Iraq” on March 2, 2006.
“The first report, delivered to Bush in early October 2002, was a one-page summary of a National Intelligence Estimate that discussed whether Saddam’s procurement of high-strength aluminum tubes was for the purpose of developing a nuclear weapon.
Among other things, the report stated that the Energy Department and the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research believed that the tubes were “intended for conventional weapons,” a view disagreeing with that of other intelligence agencies, including the CIA, which believed that the tubes were intended for a nuclear bomb. “
There are a couple of striking things about this description of the NIE and its’ presentation to Bush. Did Bush read to whole NIE? No, he perused a one-page executive summary. Not only did the administration refuse to debate the merits of the upcoming invasion on the facts, out in the open, the President himself could not even be bothered to read a 96-page report. At this point, to call the President’s subsequent unleashing of Libby to feed information to Miller a “Good Leak” is truly an outrageous claim. Why would the Post choose this position?
Getting back to the Post editorial, the second paragraph concludes with the acquiescent “Nevertheless, Mr. Cheney’s tactics make Mr. Bush look foolish for having subsequently denounced a different leak in the same controversy and vowing to ‘get to the bottom’ of it’ “. Well, at least we are glad that the Post realizes that the President òülooks foolishòý. I could think of stronger words, but I really don’t think that this is the issue at the heart of the matter. Does the Post really think that the important thing about the Iraq invasion is how the President “looks”? This is the impression that I am getting more and more both in the Post and in many other media outlets.
In the third paragraph the Post moves on to a narrative of Joe Wilson’s “absurdly over-examined visit to the African country of Niger in 2002″. The Post claims that “Each time the case surfaces, opponents of the war in Iraq use it to raise a different set of charges.” The different sets of charges that the Post would like to attribute to the opponents of the war are that the administration òütwisted the intelligence to exaggerate the Iraqi threatòý and that the CIA undercover status of Wilson’s wife Valerie Plame was revealed to punish or discredit Wilson for his òüsupposed whistle-blowingòý. Does the Post want to assert that the intelligence was not òütwistedòý? As Lindsey Graham said to John Dean earlier this month, “Give me a break!” As Graham clearly explained, all of the intelligence came from people who had a vested interest in the invasion, none of it came from US sources inside Iraq, and dissenting views of the Iraqi threat were minimized. The administration even had created a new office, Douglas Feith’s Office of Special Plans, for the express purpose of selling the Iraq invasion to the American people. Cheney is reported to have remarked about some of the intelligence they obtained that “this is much better than the stuff coming out of the CIA”. Better in what sense, Mr. Cheney? The Post would do well to remember exactly how many of 550 sites that we were so sure contained WMD were found to contain any. The answer is zero. To say that the opponents of the war are the actors in this play who are guilty of chasing “different sets of charges” goes beyond irresponsibility to the point of insulting the intelligence of your readers. The Post also asserts that the disclosure of Plame’s identity was not done to discredit Wilson but to “disprove yet another false assertion, that Mr. Wilson had been dispatched to Niger by Mr. Cheney.” The Post attributes this explanation to the Special Prosecutor in the Plame case, Patrick Fitzgerald. The details get fairly muddy here, and the Post naturally chooses an interpretation of the events and possible motives that strengthens their argument, but the does the Post really want to make the claim that Libby was doing the only honorable thing by outing a CIA agent? Okay, we’ll move along.
The Post concludes the editorial with the paragraph:
“As Mr. Fitzgerald pointed out at the time of Mr. Libby’s indictment last fall, none of this is particularly relevant to the question of whether the grounds for war in Iraq were sound or bogus. It’s unfortunate that those who seek to prove the latter would now claim that Mr. Bush did something wrong by releasing for public review some of the intelligence he used in making his most momentous decision.”
That is not at all what Mr. Fitzgerald pointed out last fall. What Mr. Fitzgerald pointed out was that his office was not tasked with, nor was it authorized to, make judgments about the run-up to the war. That would be an appropriate job for, well, the editorial board of a major newspaper, for example. So, does the Post think that the grounds for war in Iraq were sound or bogus? Go ahead, we’ll give you a do-over. For you, who were so wrong about so much during the run-up to the war to insult us again in your final sentence is appalling. Libby passing half-baked intelligence to Judy Miller now passes as “releasing for public review”? I disagree. You call Libby’s misrepresentations of the contents of the NIE a release of “some of the intelligence (Bush) used in making his momentous decision.”? In retrospect, does the Post think that George W. Bush was even qualified, much less adequately informed, to make this momentous decision that has cost thousands of lives with absolutely no end in sight? Does the Post think that Mr. Bush used the information in the NIE in making this decision? Please answer the questions!
There were many, many people in Congress, in universities, in the public square, in the intelligence community, and probably even in the military who were willing to debate the decision to invade Iraq during the run-up to the war. Did the administration engage with any of them in good faith, or did they belittle their motives, intellect, worldliness, and patriotism? I remember it well, and I do not plan on forgiving their smug condescension anytime soon. If the Post had had the sense to report on the realities of the difficult situation in Afghanistan, then a lot more people would have realized how unlikely it was that the Iraq invasion would work out as predicted by the administration.
I am disappointed in the Post. When George Will, Charles Krauthammer, or E.J. Dionne writes a column that stretches the truth and assumes an extreme level of gullibility in their readers, at least their names are attached to their misleading statements. For the Post to anonymously make the kind of bizarre and ultimately false arguments that you have made in this editorial is truly irresponsible. In conclusion, I have to ask, Why? I would like to offer the possible explanations that I can come up with.
The first possibility is that this is “just the way Washington works”, and those of us who don’t enjoy being lied to all the time just aren’t big enough to play. If that is the case, then I just don’t understand the Post’s concept of the role of the newspaper. Do you not consider it part of your charter to distinguish fact from fiction? Another possibility is that you think that supporting the President’s spurious legal “right to declassify” will help you to maintain your access to the administration. I think that the President has a much more important moral responsibility to be considerably more truthful with the American people than he has been, as does the Post. Another possibility is that the Post sees the credibility of the President eroding rapidly, and has taken an arguably noble stand to support the office of the presidency as Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney do their best to destroy it. I don’t support this position, but I do understand it. After all, it is hard to imagine what might happen if the President’s approval rating were to slip to Mr. Cheney’s tasty 18%. Granted, it might not be pretty, but I think you would find something to write about. What other reasons could there be? The only one that I can come up with is one that I would rather not introduce, but I think it needs to be proposed. Is it the case that in the final analysis, the Post editorial board sees the United States of America as a foreign policy arm of Israel? If so, then I wish you would state it more openly. If Israel would like to become the fifty-second state (after DC) then we can probably work something out, as long as they would be willing to live under the US constitution.
Those are the plausible motives that I can discern for the Post’s strange position on the Libby case, the support for the President’s selective leaking, and the current impasse with Iran, which could certainly be improved with a little real diplomacy, instead of Mr. Bush’s preferred “Do everything I want or else I’ll invade you.” technique. It is clear that an honest assessment of the situation is not your motive. What is it? Please Mr. Post, Man! Answer the question!!
James Preston
Silver Spring, MD
We have to collectively smack the WaPost like it’s never been smacked.
Jane, having utterly destroyed the editorial, how about turning your sights to the Gellman and Linzer piece, which is every bit as much good news as the editorial was bad. I mean, if it had appeared all by itself, we’d all be elated, since it’s pretty much proof that Dubya lied. As if anyone here needed any, but still, the rest of the WaPoo readership might…
dannyboy – Okay, fair enough.
very short. I think that it is great that wapo has used their editorial section to once and for all claafied their position in the current and future political world.
The question now is- given this knowledge- how should we respond?
Question for WaPo: Is all that water getting really heavy?
they’re doing an interview with Bill Kristol who is so proud of his 3 kids – all college age kids. They should seriously consider respecting their Dad by checking out http://goarmy.com (goddam chickenhawklets)
billjpa,
We won’t be led (or lied) into another war. We need to let them know that, and let them know we don’t thank them for their absolute failure to do some actual reporting now and before the Iraq war started.
Well, so too am I amazed at this Wapo editorial. Nuff said. Several thoughts on the latest from Fitz:
1. I finally skimmed thru the latest Fitz filing. Thanks to the Smith/Hamsher writings, much of it is in better focus for me. However, and perhaps I’ve misunderstood, but I sure did raise an eyebrow at page 28 of the filing. Fitz, on several occasions (mid-page, and towards the bottom) refers to Libby’s talks with folks pre-Novak article as talking about “classified information”. Hmmm. I doubt Fitz would throw that word around…he must be pretty certain that when Libby was talking, Libby was revealing CLASSIFIED info. Such, of course, contradicts the latest WH version. Do I have this right?
2. I think the Dems should make a BIG PUSH for the President & VP to come forward and reveal a) what did each tell Fitz in interviews? & b) give us their own version of what transpired June-July of 2003. Hell, Specter has already come out for this!
3. I also think we’re very close for the Dems to push for a MODIFIED censure….a censure on misuse of classified information for political purposes. I still don’t think it’s time for the Feingold wiretapping censure….but we’re closer.
Ghostman
the Kristol interview is on CSpan1
jim preston — very good piece, thanks for that.
dannyboy — I fully intend to do that.
When will these froth-flinging Leftish tools ‘get it’, to use the common parlance?
The venerated Washington Post is above such trivialities as so-called ‘objective factual research’ prior to editorialization, owing to the far more pressing concern of generating advertising revenue of sufficient magnitude so that all stakeholders can luxuriate in a ‘Scrooge McDuck’-style frolic in a swimming pool filled with lucre, after which Jeeves will serve caviar burritos and thimbles of Sherry.
Such communistic claptrap as so-called ‘good journalism’ fails to address the solipsistic realities of life in the 21st century…The huddled masses must be taught that there is no such thing as ‘free breathing’ as long as they insist on driving to the welfare office in Lexuses bled from taxpayer’s largesse.
Please, Washington Post, minimise this pernicious ‘reality-based’ reporting , as it is interfering with the correct perception of wholesome all-American content such as your ‘A Good Leak’ editorial…We must reduce the antiquated ‘5 W’s’ to their proper number…One.
W.! W.! W.!
Yours,
Christian White
;>)
Darkblack: I almost clipped that one great line of yours from the WaPoo and posted it here:
We must reduce the antiquated ‘5 W’s’ to their proper number…One.
W.! W.! W.!
darkblack,
We must reduce the antiquated ‘5 W’s’ to their proper number…One.
W.! W.! W.!
….may be the best line I’ve read this year. Too cool.
new thread
“There was nothing illegal or even particularly unusual about that…”
It was to your competitor’d newspaper you dipshit. Shouldn’t you at least care about who it got leaked to?
I posted the following comment on the washingtonpost.blog. I suggest that others also post there to make our feelings known about this sorry episode.
Uh, dude, W.! W.! W.! is actually three Ws, not one. Assuming you are using reality-based numbers. If you are using Bushoverse non-reality based numbers, then nevermind. Three, one, five, whatever Bush wants.
ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. I nearly shat when I saw that editorial (I don’t read the Post; someone called me about it.)
Jane: If you’re reading, is it time to disengage with the Post, especially the Post blog? Do all these visits help them in some way — inflating page views, for example? What does it achieve to link over to the Blog — they appear not to read it, and certainly do not acknowledge anyone’s comments. You would know better than I whether all these visits and controversy someohow help the Post.com. FDL is yours, and I love it. Just a thought.
‘There you go again’, with those foolish fact-based facts. With all due contempt, when will you Chomsky-chompers give your Quixotic quest for genuineness a well-deserved dirtnap? Who needs substantive fact when you have instinct and faith?
There is only one W…Say it loud, unbeliever.
W.! W.! W.!
Best wishes,
Christian White
;>)
You guys are downright weird. It seems ashe though you are ready to defend to the death the unquestionable right of Joe Wilson to just make stuff up without ever having the White House release actual facts to the media. I’ve got news for you guys, who are obviously ridiculously out of touch–the public is more interested in facts than Joe Wilson’s right to lie to them.
One of the first commenters said something to the effect of “Why didn’t [the president] just have press conferences, etc?” The nonsensical nature of the question notwithstanding, he DID have press conferences. He explained the intelligence in detail, but you guys did what you always do: you called him a liar. You accuse the President of lying about every little thing he says. And now you are going to feign outrage when he is forced to LEGALLY declassify the information that you demanded of him? You guys are pretty much worthless with regards to a healthy political discussion.
This is why noone takes the left seriously, and why the left will not regain any substantial amount of power for the forseeable future, bad poll numbers or no. You’re just incredibly immature.
158 ecoast says:
April 9th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Wapo Sunday editorials are printed in Outlook section (an extended editorials/op-ed/columns section) – not in A Section like the other 6 days of the week. Weekend sections are printed ahead of time like Fri night or Sat. Hiatt probably wrote this on Fri and he most probabkly didn’t know about Gellman/Linzer article until later. On Fri, all the cables and blogs were going non-stop about the leak. So he couldn’t wait and jumped the gun.
Not that his editorial would have been any different, had he seen Gellman’s report.
Joel says:
That’s fascinating if true.
Out of curiosity, why the hell do you guys care if it was released to a single paper or declassified at a press conference? The end result is exactly the same, but the latter ensures more prominent treatment in the press.
It sounds like you’re all just bitching (again).
Daniel at #27–
Bill Kristol accuses Prosecutor Fitzgerald today of buying into the definition of “leak†that is preferred by the Presidents detractors.
Fitz isn’t buying into anything or concerning himself with definitions of Presidential leaks. His point about the mechanics of the leak, Bush to Cheney to Scooter, was that Scooter’s defense is that he didn’t lie or obstruct justice, he’s just Mr. Busy with a lousy memory. Fitz is pointing out that before giving the goods to Miller, Scooter asked and made sure he was clear to do so and was told the President himself okayed it. Point being… can his memory be that lousy? He can’t remember the President himself giving him the green light?
This just bugs me no end. Not you, Daniel… Kristol. Kristol and his whole posse… always trying to distract by throwing your hat in the air so they can kick you in the pants while you look up. grrrrr.
For the right’s views of what constitutes “good” versus “bad” leaks from the likes of Rich Lowry, Michelle Malkin, John Gibson, Bill Bennett, Bill Frist, John Cornyn and more, see:
“GOP Cornered on Bush Leak.”
That’s 115% correct, sir…Those liberal pansycrats have harassed and chivvied The Leader Of The Free World long enough, using their toothless minority status in a manner beyond all acceptable limits, bludgeoning and distorting his wholesome message so that the American people have been fooled into thinking that the greatest leader that the country has ever known is naught but a mendacious fop gyrating upon gossamer corporate strings.
Must we use tactical nuclear weapons upon these pernicious elements of society? I think it’s time for a mature overview of such a concept.
Fraternally,
Christian White
Why would any Democrat subscribe to the Washington Post? They are a tool for the Plutocracy, represented by the GOP.
oilfieldguy (#96):
i enjoyed that.
thanks.
PRESS RELEASE TO BE PRINTED TOMORROW IN WASHINGTON POST:
From the Federal Department of Re-education (FDR):
The meanings of the following terms have been changed, effective immediately. Anyone using the old definitions are guilty of sedition and may be rendered to secret torture prisons at the sole discretion of the President.
Down- will now mean up.
Global Warming- will now mean a positive environmental condition which will lead to longer Summer vacations.
Good Leak- will now mean a purely political release of information in secret, which damages National Security, meant to misinform the public.
Bad Leak- will now mean a release of classified information by a whistleblower to inform the public of goverment wrongdoing, and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
If you are having trouble swallowing the above definitions, free Kool-Aid will be provided by FEMA at aid stations to make the transition more comfortable.
This press release was inserted by the Lincoln group, using funds provided by No Child Left Behind.
Fitz for Attorney General
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How exactly is releasing portions of the NIE which directly contradict the Joe Wilson narrative “misinforming” the public? It sounds like you are just dandy with the idea of “misinforming” the public; so dandy with it, in fact, that you are now upset that Bush corrected the misinformation.
I think the WaPo op ed is quite an impressive feat for a man who is obviously tripping his balls off. I mean, nothing in there about “dude, I just looked in the mirror!”
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they could print 1000 such articles and it still would not change history. Saddam was NOT trying to buy uranium from Niger!! The documents were FORGED!
OOGA!! BOOGA!!!!
DonB – I subscribe, and have read the Post all my life (since I could read the paper). Don’t forget that the reporting is still worthwhile – Dana Priest broke the story of the secret prisons in Eastern Europe, for example. I’ve been tempted to cancel my subscription because of the editorial page idiots, but some of the reporters are wonderful, even if their stories are sometimes put on the back pages.
From the WaPoo blog:
“”A Good Leak.” Sounds like the answer to the question: What did Fred Hiatt just take while standing over a copy of the Washington Post?
The editorial board of the WaPo should hang its collective head in shame, regardless of who actually penned this travesty of an opinion piece.
Posted by: CityGirl | April 9, 2006 10:27 PM”
From the WaPoo blog:
“Is there good treason and bad treason??
I’m sure Mr Hiatt could explain to us what good treason is?
Posted by: johnny drama | April 9, 2006 10:34 PM”
OT Dave, because the WH didn’t leak ALL the stuff in the NIE that CONFIRMED Wilson, hence the term “cherry picking.” Remember Dave, the intelligence wasn’t wrong. The cherry picked intelligence that the WH fed us was wrong.
“How exactly is releasing portions of the NIE which directly contradict the Joe Wilson narrative “misinforming†the public?”"
Did you not even read her post? Did you not read the newspaper story? Of course not, you get all your news from listening to talk radio and FoxNews.
Go away and come back when you can read.
I don’t care what you say, W! W! W! is THREE Ws.
A is A, bee-yatch. You forsake the truth-based universe at your peril. Nuclear weapons operate on some pretty stringent reality-based rules, you know. Your Leader’s nuclear strike on Iran will go pretty goddamned awry without some good, old fashioned, real-world physics.
Oh, and you wouldn’t even HAVE nukes without Democrats. Every time Bush erotically rubs the nuclear football against his crotch, he should thank Harry Truman. And the Democratic Congress.
Quick, someone label that guy a troll before we have to defend our irrational statements!
I’m not sure what you’re talking about, but the NIE, which is available almost in its entirety, continues to discredit Joe Wilson. Maybe you are a bit confused about the idea of a ”consensus”, and are choosing to focus on some of the dissenting views (in the annex)?
If I were to argue with you about global warming, you would undoubtedly point out that among the scientific community there is a consensus view that this and that are true. I would not then call you a ”fascist” and a ”liar” because you largely ignore the small number of dissenting scientists and opt instead to assume the consensus to be the best estimate of the truth. The same holds with the NIE… there was a consensus view, and continues to be, that Iraq did in fact attempt to purchase uranium from Niger in 1999. Even the Nigerian P.M. believed this to be the case.
In any large discussion, particularly such as those that occur withing a body as large as the US government, there are going to be an enormous array of views. Ultimately, though, there is a consensus which distills all of those views into the most likely ”truth”. This consensus disagrees with Joe Wilson, and in fact shows that he fabricated almost everything he said.
The entire NIE was made available, so what exactly is your complaint? What are you talking about with the cherry-picking?
No, I actually read many sources, including the actual docs. To respond to your ”question” though, are you actually suggesting that allowing Joe Wilson to make his charges with no response is in the public’s best interest? How might one justify that view?
James Preston: Well done.
Jane: Well done.
Thank you both. Now let’s keep hammering these dishonest bastards. I left my $0.02 at the WaPoo. This is so enraging, depressing, confounding. I feel so angry and powerless, I want to scream. Our country is circling the drain. Arrrggghhhh!
The WP’s stock has been bought up by Sun Myung Moon.
Here, the Voice of Russia has some truth in it – at least as much as the WP.
http://www.wrn.org/listeners/s…..ationID=25
Typical ‘bleeding heart’ sophistry slinger, turning a blind eye to the ‘truth’ when you hear it plainly.
W! W! W! is not three W’s, but one W to the power of 3.
And when you’re talking W’s, you’re talking power…How many Dipsocrats have learned this lesson the hard way, gibbering and meeping about ‘rule of law’ and ‘due process’, among other quaint notions whilst they herd Osama’s hirsute hordes surreptitiously through the back doors of Festung Amerika (left unguarded thanks to the usual liberal meddling) as a vile stratagem in their attempt to undermine the basic tenets of ‘freedom’?
After all, the Constitution is only a piece of paper, drawn up by men in powdered wigs and salaciously tight knickerbockers who probably retired to the nearest opium den after jotting down their communal pipe dream…Men who never heard the chilling voice of Andy Card in their ear whilst attempting to read a children’s story! To the children!…On that far off long ago day of infamy, although perhaps we shouldn’t be too harsh in condemning the misguided motivations of these ancient gender-confused dope fiends.
After all, the ultimate liberal conceit…’They meant well.’
Your pal,
Christian White
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;>)
DiRito: I don’t believe for a second that the leak of Valerie’s name was an “unintended consequence.” I believe they were trying to sneak WMDs INTO Iraq and Plame and her group, who track WMDs, were onto it.
The reason they were so confident that WMDs would be found was they were GOING TO PLANT THEM THERE. Somehow, that plan got screwed up, the people involved killed by friendly fire, so, oops, no BLTs could be found.
This Admin doesn’t do anything by “accident.”
Also, nobody is talking about the fact that it is awfully coincidental that at the same meeting where Libby gives up the NIE he also outs Plame but Bush only authorized the leak of the NIE and not the Plame name? Like Scooter got where he was by NOT following orders? He’s a regular lone ranger all right.
http://portland.indymedia.org/…..6752.shtml
CIA and DOD Attempted To Plant WMD In Iraq
author: Iraqwar.ru
A DOD whistleblower detail an attempt by a covert U.S. team to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The team was later killed by friendly fire due to CIA incompetence.
Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/ DoD Fiascos
20.06.2003 [08:07]
In a world exclusive, Al Martin Raw.com has published a news story about a Department of Defense whistleblower who has revealed that a US covert operations team had planted “Weapons of Mass Destruction” (WMDs) in Iraq – then “lost” them when the team was killed by so-called “friendly fire.”
The Pentagon whistleblower, Nelda Rogers, is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the Defense Department. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq.
According to Al Martin Raw.com, “Ms.Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.
The information that is being leaked out is information “obtained while she was in Germany heading up the debriefing of returning service personnel, involved in intelligence work in Iraq for the Department of Defense and/or the Central Intelligence Agency.
“According to Ms. Rogers, there was a covert military operation that took place both preceding and during the hostilities in Iraq,” reports Al Martin Raw.com, an online subscriber-based news/analysis service which provides “Political, Economic and Financial Intelligence.”
Al Martin is a retired Lt. Commander (US Navy), the author of a memoir called “The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider, ” and he is considered one of America’s foremost experts on corporate and government fraud.
Ms. Rogers reports that this particular covert operation team was manned by ex-military personnel and that “the unit was paid through the Department of Agriculture in order to hide it, which is also very commonplace.”
According to Al Martin Raw.com, “the Ag Department has often been used as a paymaster on behalf of the CIA, DIA, and NSA and others.”
Accordng to the Al Martin Raw.com story, another aspect of Ms. Rogers’ report concerns a covert operation which was to locate the assets of Saddam Hussein and his family, including cash, gold bullion, jewelry and assorted valuable antiquities.
The problem became evident when “the operation in Iraq involved 100 people, all of whom apparently are now dead, having succumbed to so-called ‘friendly fire.’ The scope of this operation included the penetration of the Central Bank of Iraq, other large commercial banks in Baghdad, the Iraqi National Museum and certain presidential palaces where monies and bullion were secreted.”
“They identified about $2 billion of cash in US dollars, another $150 million in Euros, in physical banknotes, and about another $100 million in sundry foreign currencies ranging from Yen to British Pounds,” reports Al Martin.
“These people died, mostly in the same place in Baghdad, supposedly from a stray cruise missile or a combination of missiles and bombs that went astray,” Martin continues. “There were supposedly 76 who died there and the other 24 died through a variety of ‘friendly fire,’ ‘mistaken identity,’ and some of them – their whereabouts are simply unknown.”
Ms. Rogers’ story sound like an updated 21st Century version of Treasure Island meets Ali Baba and the Bush Cabal Thieves, writes Martin.
“This was a contingent of CIA/ DoD operatives, but it was really the CIA that bungled it, Ms. Rogers said. They were relying on the CIA’s ability to organize an effort to seize these assets and to be able to extract these assets because the CIA claimed it had resources on the ground within the Iraqi army and the Iraqi government who had been paid. That turned out to be completely bogus. As usual.”
“CIA people were supposed to be handling it,” Martin continues. “They had a special ‘black (unmarked) aircraft to fly it out. But none of that happened because the regular US Army showed up, stumbled onto it and everyone involved had to scramble.
These new Iraqi “Asset Seizures” go directly to the New US Ruling Junta. The US Viceroy in Iraq Paul Bremer is reportedly drinking Saddam Hussein’s $2000 a bottle Napoleon era brandy, smoking his expensive Davidoff cigars and he has even furnished his Baghdad office with Saddam’s Napolean era antique furniture
The Iraq Debacle Du Jour has evidently been extensively documented by the DIA debriefing teams with “extensive tape recordings of interviews with the Iraqi returnees, the covert operatives (as well as their affidavits).”
Al Martin Raw.com has dubbed this “Operation Skim Iraq.”
homepage: homepage: http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-rea…..cleId=9474〈=en
And 750,000 people still suscribe to that rag?
GW Bush’s Goldfinger strategy.
I think the comparison between GW Bush and Goldfinger is an interesting meme.
Just think of what Goldfinger’s motivation was:
He intended to make the gold in Fort Knox radioactive to increase the value of all the other gold that he himself owned.
Nuking parts of the middle east would, likewise, make those who own non-middle east oil and un-nuked middle east oil wealthy beyond imagination (while everyone else becomes poor
beyond belief).
Don’t insult the good name of Pravda by comparing them (or Tass) to the Washington Post.
“ancient gender-confused dope fiends?”
“Dipsocrats…gibbering and meeping?”
Why do you besmirch our founding fathers thus? If it weren’t for their quaint, 18th century notions of fair play, and the antiquated Electoral College, your Dear Leader would never have befouled FDR’s house with his unelected presence. He would be careening drunkenly around his so-called ranch on his brush-hog, the stench of loserdom competing with the miasma of whiskey.
And what is this crap about Democrats being gibbering weaklings? The Democrats stood up to Hitler when Your Leader’s grandpa was giving him handjobs and wet smooches. If you need an evil tyrant smackdown, let the Democrats do it. Regime change? Look at Hitler. Now THAT is regime change. We’d have taken Hitler out sooner, but it was hard to get to him, what with the crowd of Republican senators fumbling at his pants.
And don’t give me any of that Eisenhower BS, either, because he didn’t become a Republican until 1951.
This WaPo fiasco is really an object lesson in the absurdity of the notion of “fair and balanced” journalism.
Posted at WaPo blog. FYI.
“A Good Leak” is insulting to the prosecutors, FBI agents, and support staff who have worked to uncover facts about the Plame investigation in a non-partisan fashion. It is also insulting to citizens who are watching with interest — and who are coming to some rather sobering conclusions (some of which have been informed, oddly enough, by news reported elsewhere in your paper).
Your editorial fails to distinguish between a federal investigation( conducted in a procedurally responsible fashion), in contrast to the machinations of purely *political* actors who — feeling the heat of an investigation at their heels, and knowing themselves in legal (and political) jeopardy — seek to ‘throw sand in the eyes’ of the WaPo editorial staff, its readers, and its advertisers.
“A Good Leak” smacks of the self-serving trash-talk, and solipsistic neurosis, that I’d expect from dumb hoodlums, scammers, and shills.
“A Good Leak” insinuates that the President can selectively leak 2 or 3 sentences at a clip from various sections throughout a 90+ page document — without telling affected agencies, nor the public. You imply that these leaks can occur irrespective of national security implications. Your main complaint about the leaks at issue is that they were “clumsy.”
In publishing this OpEd, the WaPo appears to be participating — wittingly or otherwise — in what looks like a politically-motivated effort to smear a federal investigation. By politicizing Mr. Fitzgerald’s name, along with that of Mr. Wilson, you distort the significance of terms like “declassification” and “leaking”.
Suburbanite to WaPo: it’s a post-9/11, post-Katrina world; the economy is tanking; oil prices are rising. From what I see and hear, people are absolutely fed up with the type of solipsistic, juvenile, Memory Hole Policizing, trash-talking partisanship exhibited in this OpEd. I see this on the blogs, in my community encounters, and in business.
I’m not the only adult in the nation who is seriously concerned about the state of the US military, to say nothing about the integrity of our legal system. I’m not the only reader contemptuous of the rank partisanship that’s had a strangehold on this nation in recent years. Your OpEd perpetuates a great deal that is already wrong in America.
I am not interested in one single more article, OpEd, or smear that fails to clearly analzye, expose, and articulate the differences between legitimate, procedurally correct federal investigations, and politically motivated filth. Should the WaPo decide to cover politically motivated efforts to smear a federal investigator, federal employees like a CIA agent, or other reputable citizens, kindly do it in the news section, and provide ample documentation.
Heads up, WaPo. In a global communications network, only sources viewed to be of outstanding quality, integrity, and relevance are going to survive. Judging from my forays on the Web today, the WaPo has lost far, far more credibility, goodwill, and respect than it probably realizes.
I honestly don’t think that many of us out here trying to connect dots, pay bills, buy groceries, and maintain medical coverage are going to have any time for another politicizing, solipsistic, ’sand in the eyes’ editorial — not even from a publication with the reputation of the WaPo.
Good luck to you in cleaning up your act promptly.
In honor of Our Man Fred, I’ve created a nice graphic of the Washington Post Editorial Board hard at work.
Hey ye commentors. Comment here and then get thee over to post.blog. They are really getting an earful, and a well-deserved one at that!
Wow. In the history of modern American journalism, has there ever been a newspaper editorial that was so at odds with, and so thoroughly debunked by their own front page story? And on so momentous an issue?
Had this had happened 9 days earlier, I would surely think it one of the great April Fool’s day jokes of all time.
Thanks for the wonderful rebuttal, Jane. I read the WaPo editorial this morning. I was so mad that I immediately sent them an email. Here it is:
Hi. I just read the editorial — “A Good Leak” in today’s Washington Post. I didn’t know that the WSJ editorial page was now part of the Post? When did that happen?
Your editorial is absolute drivel and certainly not up to the high standards that I have come to expect from the Post. I hope the distorted viewpoint exhibited by the editorial page writers concerning the Bush authorization to leak partial national security information does not creep into the Post’s news reporting. I also hope that the editor will recognize that some vacation time for the editorial staff is badly needed. They obviously need time to recharge their batteries so that they can get a better grasp of the facts.
Thank you.
There may be one small yet crucial mistake in the article – one you probably know subconsciously, but you make it anyway.
When Wilson made his report, he did not claim that the Iraqi government definitely hadn’t tried to buy uranium in Iraq, he may even have said that an attempt to discuss such a sale had been made somewhere during the nineties. Or an attempt to improve trade relations between the two nations. See the Senate Intelligence report for this.
You should not categorically deny this, because that allows others to attack you for denying the official “truth”. You’re actually helping in creating the straw man to attack you with.
The important part is that, even if that is true, it is immaterial: there is a huge gap between Iraq WANTING uranium and Iraq ACQUIRING uranium from Nigeria. Just like there is a huge gap between me wanting to win the lottery and me actually winning it. Wilson’s central finding was that that gap was actually too wide to ever be crossed, and that there was no threat whatsoever of Iraq acquiring any uranium from Nigeria.
By pointing that out, you can more effectively attack Hiatt’s hideous spinning. “Iraq sought uranium in Africa” is technically true, but should read “Iraq once inquired after the possibility, but got a resounding no for an answer. By the way, this was four years earlier. And the documents are fake.”
It is the battle between the supporters of the American Empire and of continuous war against an invented terror threat versus those who continue to believe in and want the return of the American Republic. The editors and owners of the Washington Post are in service to the Empire. I pledged allegiance to the Republic, not the Empire. I say death to the Empire and long live the Republic.
EPU but that’s okay. Darkhorse 133 The “finger sandwiches” scares me. Bwahahahaha
The best thing about the washington post fiasco is it brings out all the best writers. This is my favorite:
Your “Good Leak” editorial is correct. Despite the Leftist raving sputum-flecked mouths shrieking at the behest of meth-fiend firedogs [I think that would be you, Jane], your moral courage is exemplary
The freak-show left simply wants politics criminalized if it does not conform to their authoritarian totalitarian agenda.
God bless Fred Hiatt and Brady and his bunch!
Posted by: dave in boca | April 10, 2006 09:14 AM
And the other tie in to the statements that outing Plame was a *side-issue* to rebutting Wilson via the NIE and through an insinuation of *nepotism* (”a junket set up by Mr. Wilson’s wife,”) are intertwined in this narrative. But neither set of circumstances are *innocent facts* garnered independant of the classified sources they came from.
There is no way to get the NIE info out via Libby without this *claim* of a Presidential authorization to do so…but on Plame they are STUCK. This is not *innocently acquired information* – try as they might wish to claim “everyone knew she worked at the CIA” bullshit.
So – How DOES one get to the notion that this entire event could have been “a junket set up by Mr. Wilson’s wife,” without just *casually mentioning* Valerie Plame WORKED at the CIA?!?
This demonstrates not only a “conspiracy†at the highest levels to discredit Mr. Wilson – beginning with ole Dick-Yourself, but a deliberate effort to tie Wilson’s Niger visit to Mrs. Wilson as nepotism DIRECTLY OWING to her CIA employment/position!
And the only way to create that connection is to REVEAL she worked at the CIA. This can not be spun any other way.
I’ve said it before and each revelation makes the implications of these court filings Clear: This was a conspiracy to misuse classified information to discredit and punish a political opponent and an effort (negligently or otherwise) to reveal the identity of a Covert NOC CIA agent.
These are NOT the actions of *Patriots* but the crass political moves of TRAITORS to our Nation – selling out our undercover operatives and CIA officers/soldiers for payback political motives from the highest levels of our Government.
This Badmin is despicable and made up up of Incompetents, Cronies, Liars and Traitors – and on No Terms should they be allowed to keep running our government.
From the incandescent pages of the WaPo’s blogs in response:
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Boy, Let me tell you, taking your dog to the emergency room at the veterinary hospital on a Sunday is incredibly expensive! Fortunately, my blue heeler Matilda is expected to make a fairly satisfactory recovery, with only a 35 – 40% loss of her olfactory receptors. We are told that with a lot of specialized rehabilitation, that she will regain a significant portion of her sense of smell.
The mistake, ultimately, was mine. Some would say live and learn, but it is hard for me to divorce myself so easily from a nagging guilt that simply will not recede. You see, when Matilda just a puppy, I taught her to run out into the front yard each morning, pick up the newspaper and bring it back to the house. As I have a rather large front yard, it can be a real time-saver when my wife and I are trying to get ready for work, especially with the paper boy’s propensity for throwing the paper to a completely different part of the yard each day. The Lithium seems to have helped some, but everyday is still a bit like Easter morning, hence our great relief when Matilda got the hang of ferreting out the Post and bringing it back to the front door.
For years, everything was fine. Lately however, It seemed to be taking her longer and longer to get back to the front door with the paper. My wife even remarked upon several occasions that as she ran back to the house with the paper firmy clenched between her canines, that her upper lip would be curled back as if the process were somehow extremely painful or upsetting. I just passed it of as her being over solicitous of Matilda, seeing as how she had spoiled three of our other children.
This morning, however, I stood at the screen door and watch her as she leapt of the porch and tore out into the yard in her usual search pattern to locate the errant bladder. Locating it lying right between the Mirandy and the Mister Lincoln, she proceeded to carefully edge in between the two trying to snag the Post without getting snagged herself by the barbs of the rosebushes. Just as her nose got close to the paper, she let out an excruciating sound that was somewhere between a moan, a yelp and a howl and flipped over on her back writhing and spasming momentarily before falling unconscious and inert, save for an occcasional twitch or shudder.
I instantly suspected that Ronnie the paperboy, who had seen Matilda perform her trick, had doctored the paper with some noxious substance. I screamed for Judy, my wife, that Mattie was having some kind of seizure, and to fire up the Volvo, while I ran over and scooped up both the paper and my lifeless dog. Fortunately, the traffic was light, being Sunday and we got to to the Vet in record time. As my wife had called ahead, the staff was waiting for us, and as we pulled up to a screeching stop, they whisked the payload out of my trembling arms and disappeared into the waiting room and through the swinging doors of the doggy ER.
Time seemed to slow to a crawl as Judy and I huddled together in the waiting room, hoping against hope for some shred of good fortune, or karma, or anything, but at the same time realizing that our darling Mattie might be torn from us. My thoughts momentarily turned to Ronnie, the paperboy, as I flicked through imaginary scenes of increasingly unspeakable retribution that would occur as a result of his little “practical joke.”
Finally, after what seemend like an eternity, Brian, our haggard looking vet slamed through the ER door, ripped off his exam gloves, and shakiing his head in fury announced, “Its Bullsh*t!”
“Was it chloroform, Brian, or ether, or what was it?” Judy began.
“No,” Brian fumed, “It was the editorial page in Post. It was pure, unadulterated, 100% bullsh*t – a concentration so strong that it almost killed your dog. The only thing that saved her was the totally contradictary news story at the front of the paper that acted as a partial antidote and saved Matilda.”
As he stood shaking his head I recalled my wife’s mentioning Mattie’s curled lip as she returned with the Post on recent mornings. Perhaps she was already sensitized by previous editions, like a baby chewing lead-based paint off the railing of it’s crib. Judy and I colapsed in each others arms, sobbing in relief and joy that our sweet, sweet Matilda was going to live!
I guess you know by now where this is going. As soon as we got home, I cancelled our subscription to the wapo. Since Dan Froomkin is online, we figure figure we still get to keep the best part of the reporting, and Judy and I have promised not to link to or open any pages from Woodward, or Brady, or Howell. We love our dog, and can’t risk a relapse…”
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Troll Dave #217:
After seeing your post regarding the “Nigerian PM”, I felt a geography tutorial was in order:
Nigerian – A person from Nigeria, an oil-rich country in West Central Africa (along the Niger Delta), and former British colony (Thus the a)
Nigerien – A person from Niger, a Uranium-rich country in West Central African, the original source of Niger thistle seed (popular with goldfinches) and former French colony (Thus the e)
BTW, I have no problem with the President declassifying information for the purposes of an open & public debate / rebuttal to Joe Wilson’s claims.
Now, be a good boy, and go drink your Kool-aid. No more Cheetos for you. They give you verbal diarrhea.
As Thumper always says, “If you can’t say anything nice… then go post on the red state blog”
FOR SERIOUS READERS OF FDL:
After careful consideration, and overwhelming evidence provided by troll Dave at #217, (and a very generous corporate donation), I have now come to the conclusion that:
GLOBAL WARMING IS, IN FACT, A MYTH
(I am still moving inland, however, just in case)
Correction: In my previous post at #205, regarding the free Kool-aid to be provided by FEMA, I neglected to disclose that the distribution of the free Kool-aid is being done with the full co-operation of Fox News. I regret any confusion this lack of disclosure may have caused, especially to trolls, who are so confused to begin with.
This comment was paid for by the front group, Concerned Scientist on the Payroll of Exxon-Mobil.
Has anyone noted that Salon, esp. ‘Today’s Papers’ both yesterday (day of editorial) and today, has not covered this? Seems like an obvious dereliction of duty. But then they are owned by the Wash. Post.
Correction: Slate
Supreme access pimp and Bush Co. dupe – you ROCK, Jane!
I think he should be forever referred to as “Cocktail Weenie” instead of using his name.
May I be paranoid for a monent? What if our wonderful NSA has all sorts of dirt on all sorts of people, including poor Fred?
Could this editorial be the result of blackmail?
end-paranoia
Don Graham wrote it.
This is my first time here. Wow! That was an amazingly well done piece. Congrats!
I couldn’t swallow that editorial without a reply. Here is the letter I sent to the post:
You claim that Iraq was trying to get Uranium. What would they have
done
with it? As we’ve found, they had no equipment to process it. No space
in
your editorial to mention that the documents purporting to prove the
charge were forgeries? Who cares about the fact that the President only
leaked the information that supported his decision and held back the
information that didn’t support it? The editorial talks about the fact
that leaks happen all of the time without mentioning the motivation of
the
leak. This was to build support for an unnecssary war for which the
Post
is more then complicit with this kind of unflinching support for the
murder of as many as 100,000 people based upon false evidence. I always
thought that the Washington Times was a joke, like fox news. I could
pity
them because they were so ridiculous. The Post’s attempt to continue to
support and prolong an unnecessary war, dishonestly started, makes me
sick. The ombudsman seems to complain about “hate” email she gets.
Don’t
most people hate torturers, murderers, rapists, etc. Because of your
past
reputation, you are their number one supporter. Bon appetit.
The following is from New World Hors D’oeuvres, by Golashes Journalista, written down months ago:
During his final campaign for president, George W. slipped a, “To be honest with you,†in with the press. “To be honest with you,†George W. wasn’t all that interested in the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden. The president’s detractors ignored his, “To be honest with you†preface, heart-on-sleeve-liar-in-chief, and focused instead on Bush’s non-bin Laden-slip of his tongue, a bumbling verbal, though nothing would have altered the electoral result, as most folks hold fast their view that all politishinz, regardless of party, are well-scripted, highly coached liars at heart.
Solomon muses: When answers to quest yins are prefaced with, “To be honest with you,†the respondent skipper is prone to disguising the truth; but stone liar wants it clearly understood that in this particular case he or she is not telling tales, though in fact they are most likely lying through their teeth, knowing in their bones they lie all the time and are natch a rill born liars at heart, every wun sin awhile, an occasional “to be honest with use,†slips in. George W. Bush couldn’t pass a lie detector test on the state of his bin Laden slip nation: We can’t get bin Laden, (the family friend of my friend Prince Bandar) so why try. Nor could Juan Miguel pass a lie detector test focused on his smacking Elián and Elizabet, even with Juan’s life deep ending on it.
The Tree of know (no) ledge is above your brows. There isn’t any ledge there, but the wrinkled legend of your worries. Where is God? Hmm. God is gone. I think I’ll pull a quickie. Skids on your ledge are lines of worry, though a clear forehead does not guarantee any dollops of clarity reside in the mind behind. Ok dummies, right this minute, lay your hand on the top of your head, toward the back, where there is a soft spot – right before your skull iz turning downward.
Now raise up your brows. Up. Down. Up. Down. Do it in front of a mirror, your palm, gently on
your head. Can you feel your scalp, moving in the back? Ours is a revelationary world. The Hopi Indians say, ‘God comes to you in the top of your head.’ God is coming all the time. When you furrow in the rocks where nothing grows, and make skids on your tree of no ledge, wrinkling the slate rock of your forehead, you wrinkle the scalp in the back that is black, where you can’t see yin, because it’s all dim. Then, when God comes to you, His energy is muted, slipped to one side or the other, and you don’t get it right, you sew busy holding up those brows, ruining your winsome smile, making your own self by your face, old before your time, blocking out the LAN’ Lord uh pin heaven’s revelation airy line. Everyone who says, “I hope,†is related to the Hopi.
“The own le est ab
Lish ment is God
Wen you er bornd
Yer all plugd in
Stub born kids
Un plug them selves
In get all tang
Eld up in side.†c. 1971
Revisit George W. Bush’s State of the Union address, when George was gearing us up for his obscenity: war. The biggest lie that night: Saddam was developing nukes. Saddam, the Lion of the Tigress was playing the lute and writing dull novels. During his whole speech George’s brows were raised, sending the signal that he personally did not believe in what he was saying.
Experiment: Hold up your brows and keep them up for a full minute. You can’t do it. You’ll likely stop because it hurts. Bush could do it that night because nearly every sentence was punctuated with a pause for standing applause. During all the cheering takes, Bush’s brows were down, relaxed, and rested, but as soon as he started speaking, up they went! When Bush finally approached the end of his sprechen, he could hardly up his brows his forehead was so tired out.
King Solomon muses:
Often, when someone spouts an idea they do not really believe, or know outright is wrong, they shake their heads no while claiming yes, oar, their brows shoot uncontrollably up, may king wrinkles. Listen to your president, but watch his brows as he repeats his prepared scripts. Peer-ships! You can lurn to read forehead furrows with just a couple years judging from your bench.
At the end of an Oval Office photo-op, one of the reporters inquired as to Bush think on the special prosecutor’s looking at the illegal Valid re Plame CIA leak, potentially, a White House leak. Bush answered, his brows noticeably up, “If somebody did leak I’d like to know it.†Translation: Illegal or knot, Bush has known in detail, since day one, everything there is to know. Bush may in fact be the leaker, the one who originally validated Plame to Novak and Woodward. Newest claim: no-fault Bush and vice can peel the stickers, un-stamping ‘classified’ at any time.
When Matt Lauer interviewed Bush with wife Laura, Bush stated, about the CIA leaker case, his brows clearly up, “I’m not going to talk about the case.†Translation: He’d been talking about the case all day every day. In a speech December 8, 2005, Bush stated, brows up, “We have a strategy for victory and we will see that strategy through.†In the same month, answering a quest yin about his relationship to Vice President Cheney, Bush answered, his brows heading skyward, “I consider Dick Cheney to be a good friend of mine.†Bush’s counterpart, Saddam shows off a full set of forehead wrinkles every day he is on trial, in the Iraqi dock. Saddam is worried.
On February 28, 2006, in an interview with ABC News anchor, Elizabeth Vargas, President Bush answered her query about his leadership, reflected in his sinking poll numbers, ‘I’ve got plenty of capital and I’m using it to spread freedom.†His brows were up as high as they get.
King Solomon muses:
Five days earlier, forehead wrinkled, Bush said, about the United Arab Emirates, the Dudes of Dubai, taking over, many would say dubiously, the operation of a half dozen American seaports, “This deal would not go forward ‘if’ we were concerned about the security interests of America.â€
There is an old saying, ‘It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it.’ Wong! How sweet it is, it is exactly what you say. Bush’s imagined protocols of office did not require any presidential examinations in advance, before the seaport security hummus hit the fan. The president lamely flies around, his ducky Air Force # 1 mission, giving sprechens about, “spreading freedom.â€
Days later, in an Oval Office photo op, Bush was seen again, replayed on CNN, commenting about the billion dollar Dubai sea port deal, which his own remarks helped kill, his eye brows skyward, “If there was any doubt in my mind (blah blah ) this deal would not go forward.â€
King Solomon poses: if if if
What is this man sew worried about? He is the Prez eye dent. As it is written in The Book ov Lev It A Kiss, the Television Scripture, the black listed work of art, written down to perform out loud for all the world’s peoples at once:
“If is a fig
Yer leaf ov speech
I wanna good life
Nod a good if†c.1971
The president claims protecting US is his greatest concern, the reason behind his fascists tapping every telephone in America; detaining people without warrants, torturing many, some in black hole prisons, for years. Vice-president Cheney refers to the president’s daily briefing paper as the family jewels. And that day in Crawford, Bush received his beefy jewel, “Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US,†stating, “that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a US aircraft,†what did president George W. do, besides driving around the ranch in his presidential pickup, choosing spots for his next brush chopping photo op.
PATRICK FITZGERALD: OOPS, NEVER MIND [Byron York]
An embarrassing move this afternoon from CIA leak prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. In his now-famous court filing in which he said that former Cheney chief of staff Lewis Libby testified that he had been authorized to leak portions of the then-classified National Intelligence Estimate, Fitzgerald wrote, “Defendant understood that he was to tell [New York Times reporter Judith] Miller, among other things, that a key judgment of the NIE held that Iraq was ‘vigorously trying to procure’ uranium.”
That sentence led a number of reporters and commentators to suggest that, beyond the issue of the leak itself, the administration was lying about the NIE, because the African uranium segment was not in fact among the NIE’s key judgments. For example, in a front page story on Sunday, the Washington Post reported:
At Cheney’s instruction, Libby testified, he told Miller that the uranium story was a “key judgment” of the intelligence estimate, a term of art indicating there was consensus on a question of central importance.
In fact, the alleged effort to buy uranium was not among the estimate’s key judgments, which were identified by a headline and bold type and set out in bullet form in the first five pages of the 96-page document.
A few hours ago, however, Fitzgerald sent a letter to judge Reggie Walton, asking to correct his filing. The letter reads:
We are writing to correct a sentence from the Government’s Response to Defendant’s Third Motion to Compel Discovery, filed on April 5, 2006. The sentence, which is the second sentence of the second paragraph on page 23, reads, ‘Defendant understood that he was to tell Miller, among other things, that a key judgment of the NIE held that Iraq was ‘vigorously trying to procure’ uranium.” That sentence should read, “Defendant understood that he was to tell Miller, among other things, some of the key judgments of the NIE, and that the NIE stated that Iraq was ‘vigorously trying to procure’ uranium.”
Never mind.
Great article. The WaPo has gone to the dogs! Red America, Fred Hiatt, Brady, all a bunch of conservative ball-sucking fuck-ups. What a disgrace.
I like your style. Un-friggin-believable what b.s. they’re sellin these days for news- it’s like they’re in an alternate dimension, seriously!
Jane, I couldn’t resist quoting you and you may see a little more traffic to this page as result. In my piece on Buzzflash’s GOP Hypocrite of the week, I mis-spelled your name. For that I apologize.
The link:
http://www.buzzflash.com/contr…..06130.html
The Washington Post is the print version of FauxNews. Anyone who purchases this “news”paper is an idiot. Anyone who believes anything they read in it is a fool. Enough said.
I’ll go out on a limb and make a hopeful prediction. Bush and co. will before long resign. President Bush in his “staged” live appearances appears even much more defensive than his usual petty, arrogant self usually does.
I think that the man is actually finally beginning to crack (actually, I think that he’s been on “crack” since before he got in office, but that’s besides the point), as witness his petulant, arrogant responses to recent
questioners. And Lord knows how much Shrub loves the live, unscripted Q and A format. His axe is gored and he knows it and it’s time for him and the whole lot of them to just GO!!
Exellent analysis. So refreshing.
I’m so sick of the MSM corporate owned, lying whores! Actually, that’s unfair to whores who are far more respectable!
The weird thing is that it took the WaPo about three years to finally admit Joe Wilson is a liar. I don’t get it. The WaPo and the NYT were two of the three big MSM outfits to sponsor his lies in the first place. It was almost immediately known he was a liar and the SSCI report in July, 2004 should have left no doubt in anybody’s mind. The NYT is toughing it out pretending the naked emperor has clothes. But why on earth did the WaPo wait until now? Weird.