Did you have one of those moms who hung you out to dry on your own excesses? You know, as in "No, Mom, I didn’t feed the broccoli to the dog. I’d never do that, you know how much I love broccoli." And suddenly you find yourself stuck at the table until you finish a whole plate of it.
I’m betting Patrick Fitzgerald did, because that’s exactly what he’s doing to Scooter Libby. The most enjoyable part about reading his new filing is watching him stick it to Scooter with the mountain of lies offered up by BushCo. as they attempted to distance themselves from toxic Plame fallout.
Scooter’s main defense, as we all know, is that he was much too important and much too busy to remember something as insignificant as his conversations about Valerie Plame, and that he had no reason to lie about what he did. Fitzgerald is having none of it:
Defendant’s request for discovery to show an absence of motive to lie or conceal his conduct overlooks the fact that even the materials defendant appended to his motion show that in early October 2003 (when defendant first gave his story) there would be great embarrassment to the administration if it became publicly known that defendant had participated in disseminating information about Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment, and defendant would have had every reason to assume he would be fired if his true actions became known. The National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice publicly stated that she knew "nothing of any such White House effort to reveal any of this, and it would certainly not be the way the president would expect his White House to operate."
Can’t…breathe…laughing…sides…hurt…
Also on September 29, 2003, White House Press Secretary McClellan stated that:
There are anonymous reports all the time in the media. The President has set high standards, the highest of standards, for people in his administration. He’s made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration…
Oh stop, Patrick, I can’t take it….yer killin’ me…
Thus, as defendant approached his first FBI interview he knew that the White House had publicly staked its credibility on there being no White House involvement in the leaking of information about Ms. Wilson and that, at defendant’s specific request through the Vice President, the White House had publicly proclaimed that defendant was "not involved in this." The President had vowed to fire anyone involved in leaking classified information. In that context, defendant proceeded to tell the FBI that he had merely passed information from one reporter (Russert) to other reporters while disclaiming any knowledge of whether the information he passed was true, and certainly unaware that he knew this classified information from government channels. Once that die was cast, defendant repeated the story in a subsequent interview and during two grand jury appearances.
He also subjects Libby to the most profound humiliation possible — his own tortured prose. It borders on the cruel and inhuman.
I remember what an exercise in frustration it was to read this White House bunkum repeated without skepticism by a compliant press over and over and wonder when the hell someone was going to call bullshit.
PF has a second career in stand-up comedy if he ever wants it. Scooter is stuck at the table with a big, steaming pile of BushCo. balderdash sitting in front of him as he tries to defend himself. Dig in, fella.
And Fitzgerald is also slowly, methodically, inexorably driving a wedge between Bush and the OVP. Even as Bush depends on Cheney and Libby to keep quiet and protect him, he is forced to publicly repudiate and distance himself from them:
President Bush declassified sensitive intelligence in 2003 and authorized its public disclosure to rebut Iraq war critics, but he did not specifically direct that Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, be the one to disseminate the information, an attorney knowledgeable about the case said Saturday.
Bush merely instructed Cheney to "get it out" and left the details to him, said the lawyer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case for the White House. The vice president chose Libby and communicated the president’s wishes to his then-top aide, the lawyer said.
Sweet.
Meanwhile, inquiring minds want to know: why is nobody in the press asking who the big donors are to Scooter’s defense fund? We want names and dollar amounts, people.
Come on, Comstock. Cough ‘em up.
(graphic by NeoJoe)
Related posts:
- Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, and the “Unremarkable” Meat Grinder
- New White House Counsel Bob Bauer and Scooter Libby Justice
- Cheney’s Lawyer Already Leaked the Content of Cheney’s “Privileged” Interview
- The Bush Fairy Tale on the Libby Pardon
- Cheney Interview: Washington Post Losing Its Ability to Report, Too





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Fitz!
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As usual, rollicking good stuff.
It’s like Homer Simpson when he was at the “Ironic Punishment Department” of Hades.
More gravely, the Sunday WaPo Plame/Libby story is up.
I come back often to this thought… Joe Wilson seems to have an easy civil rights lawsuit against the leak/disclosure/smear conspiritors in the Bush administration. Wilson has said before he would consider it. John Dean at FindLaw this week reiterated that a civil lawsuit would be reasonable.
Next week should be quite a week. PS – Go Busby, this Tuesday, CA-50!!
It’s like Homer Simpson when he was at the “Ironic Punishment Department†of Hades.
HA-HA
Fitz is wry … fwiw: my pitbabies love broccoli
Dayum Jane, you are quick with the link to that brand new AP article. Yup, sure looks like Bush is “preparing” to throw DeadEye and Scooter under the bus.
God, this is the best squeeze play of all time!! Fitz is absolutely the man.
Joe Wilson on This Week tomorrow. Yum!
Jane, can’t get out of my mind this picture as fitting for the Leaker-in-Chief: http://img1.travelblog.org/Pho…..mbol-0.jpg
“I’d never do that, you know [how] much I love broccoli.”
Prof, that is a great one!
Jane: Reminds me of a joke.
Woman: I’m a widow three times.
Guy: Sorry to hear that….what happened to the first husband?
Woman: Died from poisoned broccoli
Guy: Oy. What about the second hsband?
Woman: Died from poisoned broccoli
Guy: …….and the third?
Woman: Head Concussion
Guy: An accident?
Woman: No. He wouldn’t eat his broccoli
From the WaPo story:
The council’s reply, drafted in a January 2003 memo by the national intelligence officer for Africa, was unequivocal: The Niger story was baseless and should be laid to rest. Four U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge said in interviews that the memo, which has not been reported before, arrived at the White House as Bush and his highest-ranking advisers made the uranium story a centerpiece of their case for the rapidly approaching war against Iraq.
Bush put his prestige behind the uranium story in his Jan. 28, 2003, State of the Union address.
Dude, where’s my weapons?
It seems clear that the battle lines are drawn between Bush “take care of it”, and Cheney “ok it will all be on the up and up…”.
The only question is if their little dance around the LAW can be scammed through the courts and the public.
That is if they are blaming eachother to cover eachother, or they are blaming eachother in case one of them has to go down, or they are blaming eachother beacuse they know one of them has to go down.
Its so nice to see these asses finally getting burned for their own brazen acts and lies. Most of the folks here hear these lies and saw this evil for quite some time…and it was dis-heartening. But I hope now that Bush liar can reap what he has sown so that we do not have to.
“I’ll see your Raw Story and raise it,” say Josh Marshall and Laura Rozen
By Swopa
Apr 8 2006 – 5:31pm
Joshua Marshall and Laura Rozen say that a London Times story (hyped in a coming-attractions promo by Raw Story) on the Niger uranium forgeries — the documents that led to the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson — is disinformation from the Italian government, specifically the Italian intelligence agency SISMI.
http://www.needlenose.com/
the WaPo privileges us with a single word from the Sanctum Sanctorum: Bob Woodward’s notes:
It was at that moment that Libby, allegedly at Cheney’s direction, sought out at least three reporters to bolster the discredited uranium allegation. Libby made careful selections of language from the 2002 estimate, quoting a passage that said Iraq was “vigorously trying to procure uranium” in Africa.
The first of those conversations, according to the evidence made known thus far, came when Libby met with Bob Woodward, an assistant managing editor of The Washington Post, on June 27, 2003. In sworn testimony for Fitzgerald, according to a statement Woodward released on Nov. 14, 2005, Woodward said Libby told him of the intelligence estimate’s description of Iraqi efforts to obtain “yellowcake,” a processed form of natural uranium ore, in Africa. In an interview Friday, Woodward said his notes showed that Libby described those efforts as “vigorous.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00916.html
Can’t…breathe…laughing…sides…hurt…
Yeah there sure are high standards for working for Bush…being a rich robber baron, and knowing the snot gerrymandering, crony loving fool after (and before?) his gin drinking days and coke filled nights aledgedley ended.
Yeah have to be a special breed of asshole to work for Bush.
FDL rocks in all things Plameology. What are the WaPo poolboys thinking when you hit this thing over and over again? Aha, scooped again-hello-is anyone listening??? I have said it before and I will say it again. ALL ROADS LEAD TO CHENEY. Remember that Cheney said that he had the Preznit’s authority to authorize Scooter’s leak to Miller. Oh really? How do we know that W was even in the loop? This is a Cheney deal through and through. This is a guy who believes he has the same authority as W. On declassification; on shooting down planes on 9/11; on going after Wilson.
IT”S ALL CHENEY ALL THE TIME and Scooter is the Firewall. Let’s get out the TNT and blast it-Fitz knows what’s going on and he will bleed this administration dry in the runup to Scooter’s trial. This administration will only wish it had had a lethal injection.
John Casper says:
April 8th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
“I’d never do that, you know [how] much I love broccoli.â€
Jane – As I looked at the picture (noticing, of course, who is in it) and then started reading the words directly below it, I remembered that Mr. Bush’s father doesn’t like broccoli – delicious irony, perhaps?
apropos donors: would it be prudent for Ms. Comstock to let the White House know the names? She knows damn well what a mean vindictive son-of-a-bitch GWB can be…
After countless days and years of a teflon existence, maybe it’s the case that Bush and Cheney will be the ones to bring themselves down. I’ll take it.
Here’s my attempt at addressing the self destructive tendencies of the Unitary Executive with a comparison with Revolutionary France. It might explain why everyone is at everyone’s throat in the Bush Administration and why it may be the beginning of the end.
How sweet it is.
I had forgotten that, Stephen Parrish.
It’s like Homer Simpson when he was at the “Ironic Punishment Department†of Hades.
DoooH —– STUPID POETIC JUSTICE!!!
Hoist on his own petard! Heh, heh, heh
Go to Google, type in “failure” and press the “I’m feeling lucky” button… Bush
Go to Google, type in “liar” and press the “T’m feeling lucky” button… Blair
When they are both Bush we will have an impeachment party, or the Dems in control of something brewing up some real policy and wading through the liar and the mess we are in.
Scooter is stuck at the table with a big, steaming pile of BushCo. balderdash sitting in front of him as he tries to defend himself. Dig in, fella.
hee hee hee
So now the story is that Bush told Cheney to get the story out, but he didn’t specifically tell him to tell Scooter to do it. Looks like Cheney is going under the bus. Keep in mind that Fitz interviewed Bush and Cheney together. Bush has plausible deniability here, but at the expense of saying that Cheney was sitting there the whole time with Fitz and not fessing up.
Memo to Scooter: Bush can pardon you. Cheney can’t. Enjoy your weekend!
“Intelligence Leaked by Aide to Cheney Was in Dispute”
By DAVID E. SANGER and DAVID BARSTOW
Published: April 9, 2006
“WASHINGTON, April 8 — When President Bush authorized Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff to reveal previously classified intelligence to a reporter about Saddam Hussein’s efforts to obtain uranium, that information was already being discredited by several senior officials in the administration, interviews conducted during and since that crucial period in June and July of 2003 show….”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04…..r=homepage
major WaPo story on attacking Iran http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..82_pf.html
From the WaPo article that *ilson linked above:
“The targeteers honestly keep coming back and saying it will require nuclear penetrator munitions to take out those tunnels,” said Kenneth M. Pollack, a former CIA analyst. “Could we do it with conventional munitions? Possibly. But it’s going to be very difficult to do.”
Tasty. Very, very tasty. Maybe I don’t need that dessert now.
On one of these threads within the last day or so, I ventured the opinion that Scooter was not the only fish Fitz was after, and was merely using him as for the hook; as more and more comes out, I don’t think there’s any doubt that Mr. Fitzgerald has much bigger fish to fry.
The only question in my mind is how many of the players Fitz will be able to take out, either directly, or collaterally. It already appears that they are beginning to turn on each other. Think about it. Think about the organized efforts to sell the war: everyone in the WHIG had their part to play, and they all routinely fanned out to the talk shows to give us the hard sell. I’m guessing that at this point, many of them are frantically trying to track who they told which lies to and when. There’s hours and hours of video and audio on these people, and even if that doesn’t hurt them legally, none of them will be left with even a shred of credibility.
This latest talk about the nascent plans to nuke Iran should have us all on guard, because they are starting, once again to play the same game. That any Republican, or any Democrat, could be even remotely thinking that nuking Iran is a good idea makes me wonder what, exactly, is in the water these people are drinking. Are they even human? Have their brains been sucked out and replaced with remote control devices? They’re like Stepford wives, only evil.
Fitz on!
Damn, John. Ya beat me to it. Like a boulder rolling down a hill. The NY Times is on it too.
WaPo swallows Rove’s spin: these aren’t “nuclear weapons,” according to the WaPoo, they are “nuclear penetrators.”
thatKen Pollack ?!?!
of Brookings ?
new info from the NYTimes http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04…..wanted=all
But a senior official close to Mr. Hadley said that “it appears that the only three people who knew about the instant declassification were Dick Cheney, George Bush and Scooter Libby.” The official refused to be named because he was not authorized to discuss the issue.
I am not as worried about Al Queda as much as I am about Al Cracker!
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
An interesting note (re Plameology) from the NYT article, which is otherwise a pale version of the WaPo’s:
There is no conceivable, believable, credible, sensible reason for “leaking” material that was deemed to be in the public’s interest. We’re not supposed to be playing “Gossip” with national security, although that’s kind of what Bush and Cheney seem to have modeled their policies on. What’s next? Standing on the corner, getting tapped on the shoulder by a stranger, who says, “Psst…the CIA says Iran has nuclear weapons…pass it on?”
I’m sick and tired of my government treating me as though I had barely enough brain cells to form a coherent thought. Trust them? Not bloody likely…
Oh dear …
But a senior official close to Mr. Hadley said that “it appears that the only three people who knew about the instant declassification were Dick Cheney, George Bush and Scooter Libby.” The official refused to be named because he was not authorized to discuss the issue.
Why those three men were acting so quietly remains a mystery, and Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have never discussed it in public. Aides to Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney were beginning to suggest at the time that any exaggerations about Iraq’s weapons program had been the fault of the C.I.A., not the White House.”
D’oh!
I predict next week will be another bad week for BushCo! ROFL ; )
John Casper #16>”“I’ll see your Raw Story and raise it,†say Josh Marshall and Laura Rozen…”
The Times Niger story:
“TWO employees of the Niger embassy in Rome were responsible for the forgery of a notorious set of documents used to help justify the Iraq war, an official investigation has allegedly found.
According to Nato sources, the investigation has evidence that Niger’s consul and its ambassador’s personal assistant faked a contract to show Saddam Hussein had bought uranium ore from the impoverished west African country…”
“Everyday reality now is a complete fiction, manufactured by the media landscape and we operate inside it.” – JG Ballard
Another missing pin story:
It’s a fashion no-no to wear your badge when you leave the Capitol grounds—only a summer intern would do that. Pins, on the other hand, can be left on at all times. (The sergeant-at-arms does tell lawmakers not to wear their pins around town when there’s a high risk of terrorist attacks.) In 2003, Rep. Mike Ferguson wore his pin to the Rhino Bar and Pumphouse in Georgetown. A few hours later, the pin ended up in the hands of college junior Michelle Mezoe. He says she stole it; she says he tried to use it to pick her up. She only returned the pin after Ferguson called the police.
snip
Maybe the pins are bugged-hehe
Again, my blockquote came out wrong in #42 above. The interesting thing I was referencing in the NYT-Plame-Uranium story, further showing poor Judy how much she got screwed, is:
Man oh man oh man! O the delicious irony of it all. Eat that brocoli, Scooter!
Patrick J Fitzgerald may not be partisan, but he sure hates lying, and loves to pick off its little wings and its little legs one at a time when he catches himself one.
Jane, that is an awesome post.
Meanwhile, the NY Times is also braying for blood. One of the little mysteries is why JudyJudyJudy never wrote a story based on Libby’s leak. Well now we know:
Hahaha!
what I don’t get is the timing of the whole thing. Libby is talking to Miller on July 8 to rebut a piece Wilson wrote on July 6. But he spoke to Woodward on June 27. So did they know about Wilson’s piece before it was published, or was there a need to get out in front of a story that wasn’t yet published?
tocklit: Joe Wilson’s story was printed on July 6. It was written, and most likely, submitted earlier. I don’t remember what day of the week it was printed though.
Wilson had been ‘grumbling’ for some time before the famous Op-Ed including an anonymous piece by Kristoff in the NYTimes and a Pincus(?) interview in WaPo. Libby had been tracking ‘that loudmouth’ for a while – the open Op-Ed was the last unavoidable straw
From the Karl Rove stenographic pool at the WaPo:
“Preparations for confrontation with Iran underscore how the issue has vaulted to the front of President Bush’s agenda even as he struggles with a relentless war in next-door Iraq.”
Should read: Preparations for confrontation with Iran underscore how the issue has vaulted to the front of President Bush’s agenda, the distraction of the American people from his serial incompetence.
I love that Libby was leaking to Judy, Judy, Judy, the same day Powell’s doubts appeared on page one. So NY TImes, WP, Woodward, MSM in general … do you, at long last, realize how badly you got played? Come on, now. Confess it all . Our dead cannot speak … you must.
John Casper
“Nuclear penetrators”, nothing Freudian there, nope, nada. Maybe it’s something compensatory?
I read on the internets that the administration proof reads all their stories. So the terrorists don’t win us here.
Just wanted to give everyone a heads up — Amb. Wilson will be on This Week on ABC tomorrow morning. And Sy Hersh will be on CNN’s Late Edition. Thought everyone would want to plan accordingly.
Great article, Jane. :)
Hi everyone, just reading up after charting.
What a bowl of sweet and sour soup all this info is, Bush/Iran (scum), and Fitz/Libby et al. (hero). Lieberman, well he speaks for himself, vote Ned. Skimming fantastic comments and loving snarky posts. I’ll hit the links tomorrow, if they don’t drop the bomb in the meantime.
Norske is right: keep the faith and pass the key to the bunker.
Miss you
zen
David Brooks of the NY Times said that Plamegate “doesn’t have traction”. Has anyone else noticed that David Brooks always gets it wrong?
tocklit: Wilson was an anon. source for a Nicolas Kristof column a few months earlier. The WH had Wilson in their sites for a long time before he published his op-ed.
As always, Digby has managed to ferret out a juicy little morsel.
Rove played Cheney, who played Scooter…who got caught with his pants down. Poor Scooter.
from the WaPo Iran-attack story :
Israel is preparing, as well. The government recently leaked a contingency plan for attacking on its own if the United States does not, a plan involving airstrikes, commando teams, possibly missiles and even explosive-carrying dogs. Israel, which bombed Iraq's Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 to prevent it from being used to develop weapons, has built a replica of Natanz, according to Israeli media, but U.S. strategists do not believe Israel has the capacity to accomplish the mission without nuclear weapons.Guess what, gang? Israel has several hundred nukes…in addition to explosive-carrying dogs.
lina, ccmask, ilson. thanks. I keep on thinking that there will be a firewall between Libby’s actions and OVP & POTUS but so far nothing has proved my worst fears true. They’ve got to have something up their sleaves besides nuking Iran to divert our attention…..God I hope so.
cbl – Kenneth Pollack is no liberal…
*ilson at 62 —
“explosive-carrying dogs” — wtf??? Okay, that wins for weirdest thing I’ve read today.
The revelations are fast accruing and synergistically fermenting such that even Wanda Wal-Mart and Nick NASCAR can understand the VERY simple core point.
It wasn’t the blowjob per se, it was the LOOK-STRAIGHT-INTO-THE-CAMERA,-WAG THAT-FINGER-AND-LIE bit.
Bush, Cheney, and Libby all LIED (via both omission and commission). And if what they were doing was all so proper, noble, and necessary (as now lamely proffered), there was no need to do all this skulking shit and then lie about it.
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Crime_scene.jpg
I find it so hard to believe that we as a nation would attack Iran. But it is not the nation attacking, is it? It is Bush and his buddies who believe they can do anything in our name.
Perhaps we should plan for specific actions should a strike begin. Immediate action on the moment of bombing? Some waiting period to see what political reaction will be? Peaceful demonstration? Something more direct? I really think citizens should be gaming otions in th event of an attack, just like the pentagon.
Or is that how Bush intends to stay in power forever?
In addition to the stories about who “leaked”, we shouldn’t overlook what’s happening to the Administration’s defense that neither Bush nor Cheney knowningly gave a false view of the intelligence on WMD when they made the case for war. Recall that the claim that Bush/Cheney “lied” is the one that hurts them the most and the one they fight most vigorously to stomp on. But now we have two newspapers, the NYT and the Washington Post making exactly that charge.
From the WaPo article cited above:
“Tenet interceded to keep the [Niger/yellowcake]claim out of a speech Bush gave in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002, but by Dec. 19 it reappeared in a State Department “fact sheet.” After that, the Pentagon asked for an authoritative judgment from the National Intelligence Council, the senior coordinating body for the 15 agencies that then constituted the U.S. intelligence community. Did Iraq and Niger discuss a uranium sale, or not? If they had, the Pentagon would need to reconsider its ties with Niger.
The council’s reply, drafted in a January 2003 memo by the national intelligence officer for Africa, was unequivocal: The Niger story was baseless and should be laid to rest. Four U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge said in interviews that the memo, which has not been reported before, arrived at the White House as Bush and his highest-ranking advisers made the uranium story a centerpiece of their case for the rapidly approaching war against Iraq.”
And from the NYT: (thanks timewarp)
“Mr. Powell’s queasiness with some of the intelligence has been well known, but the new revelations suggest that long after he had concluded the intelligence was faulty, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby were still promoting it.”
The Libby testimony then confirms that Bush/Cheney et al were still in the lying mode in July 2003, long after the intelligence has been debunked. The trad press is now reporting as fact a prima facie case that Bush lied to take us to war.
From the WaPo 24 June 04, day after Fitz met with Bush in the Oval Office, you can still smell the preznit’s pants worn smoldering from fire : linked text :
“The leaking of classified information is a very serious matter,” said White House press secretary Scott McClellan, adding that Bush was “pleased to do his part” to aid the probe.
“No one wants to get to the bottom of this matter more than the president of the United States, and he has said on more than one occasion that if anyone — inside or outside the government — has information that can help the investigators get to the bottom of this, they should provide that information to the officials in charge.”
and this from the same article:
“Some lawyers representing witnesses in the case have speculated that the recent activity, including the interviews of the president and vice president, may signal that the investigation is close to completion. But others said they are less certain that the interview with senior White House officials represents a tying up of loose ends.
“It’s hard to believe the special prosecutor would be burdening the president with an interview unless they had testimony to the effect that the president had information,” said Floyd Abrams, a First Amendment lawyer representing Time magazine in the probe.”
I wonder how many false statements were made during those 70 min. No doubt they meant business and went in knowing exactly what to ask.
a U.S. Davy Crocket mini-tactical nuke still weighs 50 pounds so large St. Bernards etc would have to be used for delivery vehicles. Watch out for big dogs carrying gigantic ‘kegs’ with the Star of David !
*ilson46201 – One way for the chimp to get this Iran thing done would be to incite Israel with some of the special cherry picked lies about Iran. You know, say that Iran is going to invade Israel, etc. That way the Jews get to do the dirty work for the chimp. I’m not sure that Israel would be able to restrain themselves. You say they have nukes? Sounds perfect. Might make that area uninhabitable for 250,00 years. Sure, that would make sense to the thugs. Sure.
Fitzgerald talks shop with students
Top prosecutor speaks on challenges of job
By Angela Rozas
Tribune staff reporter
Published April 8, 2006
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..hshore-hed
I said to my husband the day after they got reelected, “they will nuke someone before the end of this term.”
If this crowd had been in charge during Vietnam, they would have nuked N. Vietnam.
Are these the same dogs that are bribing the trees on the White House lawn?
immanentize – A stop needs to be put to them. A million or so in Wash. Shut down the gov’t and country. Throw them out on their ass. Unless that happens they might call off elections and bomb the whole Middle East.
Oh, this is good. A Family Affair.
Where are our Senators and Congresscritters on the Iran thing — or are they still worried about appealing to religious voters in November?
I’ve actually been pretty busy lately because my son’s been buying a house and has been staying with me until he could move in today. So I decided it was a good time to play catch up on some of the posts I’ve missed, and some of the links. The one that pretty much sent me into convulsive laughter was from the LA Times article Spin Cycle Springs a Leak that Christy referred to:
Thursday, Atty. Gen. Alberto Gonzales went further, saying the president has the “inherent authority to decide who should have classified information.” That wasn’t a surprise, of course. Earlier in the week, Gonzales testified to Congress that the president has “inherent authority” to order warrantless wiretaps of American citizens communicating with each other inside the United States.
Next week, it’s not out of the question that he’ll testify Bush has the “inherent authority” to suspend the law of gravity.
c_r_c,
I suspect the Israeli intelligence agencies are at least a notch or two above ours. They may like our monetary support, but our intelligence services? Not so much…
The problem with that immanentize is that because of how the US has cosistently acted most people in the middle east are prepared to believe any evil about you ( the US.) This for example. And believe me that’s mild.
I agree with the rest of what you’ve said BTW.
I understand that after New Orleans Bush has had Gonzalez check into the legislative history of King Canute controlling the tides off England…
immanentize -
Bush LOVES to crow that he is a Man of His Word, that he follows through when he says he’s gonna do something.
Now, while he’s obviously full of shit when it comes to actions REQUIRING the assent of others (like getting legislation passed), but, where he can order stuff unilaterally — like bombing Iran — ya gotta be nervous. He’s already said he — HE — will not permit “threats” to develop anywhere in the world.
I hope Sy is wrong, but I would not be at all surprised to flip on the news on morning to accounts of bombing sorties in Iran, followed by a ton of gory counterstrikes. Gonna be swell wathing video coverage of, say, a couple of our warships sunk or badly damaged with severe mass casualities, etc etc etc.
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Crime_scene.jpg
shoephone #64 -
yeah I knew that but thanks. he is wankerf***ingriffic- he evinced some contrition and what looked like actual introspection upon David Kay’s return but he’s apparently back on track for Armaggetion
c_r_c
You are expressing my deepest fears. I almost posted, “If we nuke Iran, then we do not deserve to exist.”
But then I thought of my wife and son and I just cannot imagine what we ought to do and what guilt we will all live with forever.
When Bush showed up in 2000 during the Florida fiasco — remember? he had a boil on his cheek. My friend said, “Boils are always Biblical.”
So, given what we know now, let’s take at face value the WaPo report that says Bush only told Cheney to “get it out there,” and did not specifically authorized Cheney to tell Libby what to say. Okay, what, exactly, was Bush asking Cheney to “get . . . out there?”
More false information that, by now, they knew to be false? Or
The fallback lie, which is that the major “judgments” from the NIE were unambiguous consensus about the nuclear claims; thus, even if the claims turned out to be unfounded, Bush had relied on them in good faith. I think this is the lie Bush authorized Cheney to “get out there,” and that’s what Libby and Rove were both trying to do. And let’s not forget that in addition to Hadley, Ms. Rice was also pointing reporters in early July in Ms. Plame’s direction, as part of the plot to discredit Wilson — who had implied that the WH had exaggerated the intelligence. If was the validity of the claims; it was the lying about the validity they were all trying to conceal.
I hereby withdraw my support for censure. I want the whole enchilada, and someone new, who hasn’t spoken before, needs to call for it.
“Boils are always Biblical.â€
just ask Rush Limbaugh !
“…say that Iran is going to invade Israel, etc. That way the Jews get to do the dirty work for the chimp…”
It’s actually always been the other way around. The Israelis are itchin’ to fight the Iranians…
to the last American soldier.
Bobby ,
I know you are right. There is a theory out there — about 12 years old — that once Congress creates a weapons system, then the President has the inherent authority to use it. I think Phillip Chase Bobbitt started that one. Bush is just the kind of guy to think that theoretical “authority” to do something is the same as “ought” to do something.
I tell the truth, I almost wish the rational generals would put a stop to this like in any other banana republic run by insane people.
BobbyG – Yep, we are about to see our swashbuckleing chimp crowing how he personnaly has saved the World by starting WWIII and creating a crater in the Middle East. I wonder how many have seen to pictures of Japan after the bombs. Info has been surpressed for a long time. The aftermath is sobering. Well, for me at least. The chimp has a devine calling.
re wilson ‘grumbling’
i recall a post SOTU quote from a former CIA source or somesuch to the effect
“I can’t believe they trotted out that shaggy dog story again”
cbl,
I put Pollack and Michael O’Hanlon in the same boat together. At this point I don’t really see a big difference between Brookings and the rightwing think-tanks when it comes to the “war on terror”.
Didn’t mean to imply you’re not aware of their shortcomings…
Re:Israel,
Can’t find it right now, but I know that about a week ago I read an article or post somehwere that indicated Israel did NOT want Iran attacked by the US. Too much turbulance right now, and the more radical palestinians — like Hamas — would act as second front soldiers for Iranian reprisals.
The only thing these guys can possibly want is chaos and a lot of dead civilians.
#66
ROTF LMAO!
Ohmigawd, I had never heard those names before. Wanda Wal-Mart! Nick NASCAR! You are TOO funny!
Good grief, was that really me two months ago with all the handwringing? Fitz really knows how to do this right. Just when they think they’re in the clear…
To see these corrupt bastards finally have their cojones getting squeezed… it goes beyond the most wildest form of schadenfreude. They deserve every second of misery they get.
I predict next week will be another bad week for BushCo! ROFL ; )
When was the last time they didn’t have a bad week? As best I can remember — with the exception of the first week of November 2004 — it was roughly spring of 2004, just before the Abu Ghraib shit hit the fan. Since then it’s been one long slow-motion trainwreck. Christ, I don’t know how they manage, because it’s really beginning to get fucking old to me.
immanentize -
Hear ya, my friend. Dangerous times ahead this year. Cornered rat of an arrogant, messianic President, jeesh. But, were he to order striking Iran and senior military officers revolted, we also have an unprecedented mess.
I have my doubts they would revolt (or resign in protest; look at the security-cleared congresscritters who’ve been privvy to all the Bush BS and simply kept their mouths shut to keep their jobs).
Meanwhile, inquiring minds want to know: why is nobody in the press asking who the big donors are to Scooter’s defense fund? We want names and dollar amounts, people.Â
Come on, Comstock. Cough ‘em up.Â
Exactly, I want to be able to gauge their reactions when little ol’ Scooty finally caves and flips (after the motions to dismiss are quashed).
immanentize – Any sane person would hold that view. I’m not talkin sanity here. The chimp is mentally ill. The only think predictable about the chimp is his chip on the shoulder.
Fitz is a great fucking prosecutor, but it scares the shit outta me to think he’s the only firewall we got. There’s nobody else in the wheelhouse.
Anyone going to vote for Scott’s Mom?
Quote: I am a Republican,” she said. “But I know we must set partisan politics aside and do what’s best for Texas. That is why I am running for governor as a Texas independent.”
avenging_angel -
Thanks for the props on the jokey names, but don’t overlook the serious point. It really is now SIMPLE, getting close to understandable even by the Tonight show “Jaywalking” demographic.
The lying was not necessary in light of all the propriety, authority, and exigent necessity they NOW claim to have been the case. That Dog Won’t Hunt Quail.
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Crime_scene.jpg
ccmask ,
If I were a Texan, I’d vote for Kinky.
Briefly delurking. I friend today said “it’s getting to the point where you don’t have to be a liberal to hate George Bush.”
Frank Probst: Cheney and Bush were interviewed together for the 9/11 Commission. They were interviewed seperately by Fitz in the Plame investigation. I’m not sure about Cheney, but Bush was accompanied by his private criminal defense attorney during his 70 minute interview. As was the case with their 9/11 testimony, neither the Pres. or the VP were under oath when talking to Fitz. Lying to investigators, even when not under oath, is a crime and we know how Fitz responds to liars who trip up his investigations.
“The only thing predictable about the chimp is his chip on the shoulder.”
Bush is utterly “well-balanced.” He has a big chip on EACH shoulder.
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Crime_scene.jpg
IMO, anyone advocating bombing Iran, particularly with nukes, is abso-fscking-lutely insane and needs to be locked up. If they’re in office (elected or appointed), they lose the office, permanently, before they get the white coat strapped on them. Lose the key to the padded room, too.
Nuking Iran opens the entire can of worms. There won’t be a WW4, because there won’t be enough survivors to hold an election, never mind a world war.
#36 The only question in my mind is how many of the players Fitz will be able to take out, either directly, or collaterally.
Would this be praying for too much? In no particular order:
Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, Hadley, Rice, Addington, Fleischer
Could Fitz possibly take ‘em all out?
At the third anniversary protest of the war on Iraq, I brought my old signs that read: No War on Iraq, and I crossed out the ‘q’ and put an ‘n’ in its place.
If anyone has their old signs, I think we should use them in this way to drive home the point that they are doing it again on Iran.
ccmask,
“Anyone going to vote for Scott’s Mom?”
Not me. Dem party across the board.
you don’t have to be a liberal to hate George Bush.
That is both comforting and disturbing at so many levels…
{Hi, Valley!)
‘…I friend today said “it’s getting to the point where you don’t have to be a liberal to hate George Bush.‒
Wanda Wal-Mart and Nick NASCAR can even comprehend the B.S. The dawning awareness of the toxic overdose combination of incompetence and lying…
#62 and #87 above regarding the Israeli interest here — this is where Lieberman and possibly Rahm come in to play.
Can Scott’s mommy take enough votes from Republicans to help the Dem?
And, who IS the Dem candidate for Texas Gov.
In Bush groupthink, an Iran strike would also provide cover for the laundry list of pardons necessary to shut down Fitz once and for all.
Bush’s speech practically writes itself: “Mebbee these patriotic Americans put a toe over the line, but I’m protectin’ America here and I need my A-Team.â€
Airsickness bags can be found on the seatback in front of you.
avenging_angel says:
April 8th, 2006 at 7:32 pm
not too much but too little, howzabout rummy, feith, ginsberg, perle, wolfowitz, powell, armitage, card? It is all of them.
immanentize,
“Can Scott’s mommy take enough votes from Republicans to help the Dem?”
From what I’ve read locally, she’s getting a ton of money and endorsements that would have otherwise gone to the Dem candidate!?
Kirby, You’re in Conn., right? Is Lieberman just giving up on representing people? Or is the pro-Bush, pro-War citizenry all set to reelect?
I remember Gen. Westmoreland testifing in Dec 67′that the ‘insurgency’ was on it’s last legs, that there was ‘light at the end of the tunnel.’in Indochina. About a month later the Tet Offensive started, by these same ‘insurgents’. During the next 6 weeks, the U.S. lost an Average of 650 men per Week for six weeks running (3900 dead, close to 80,000 wouned in a month and a half)
This folks, from an ‘insurgency’ on it’s last legs. If Bushit Co. attacks Iran, I think the whole Muslim world will light up like a fire storm. U.S. troops in Iraq will be in the same position as troops during Tet. They can whistle past the graveyard that the US is ‘in control’ of the Iraq ’situation’ all they want, but it will be one more Big Lie from the NeoConJobs that will be payed for by US troops in the field, not politicians in corner offices.
oh dear–headline at WaPo: US Studying More Pointed (POINTED!) Options on Iran
Well actually, isn’t all this (Plame/Fitz/Libby/leaks) ultimately the spooks’ revenge? Tenet/CIA throwing W, Cheney, Rove–the whole disgusting unitary lot–under the bus?
And our tinhorn Louey Katorz thought he could buy him off–after making him take the fall for 9/11 and Iraq WMD–with a medal.
W shoulda talked to Poppy before playing the CIA. Ultimately it’s all Freudian/Shakespearean, dressed up in tacky Repub drag.
What a great opening paragraph! http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin…..nted=print
April 8, 2006
New Twist in CIA Leak Probe
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 10:21 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) — Now in its third year, the CIA leak investigation took a decidedly unwelcome turn for the White House last week. A court filing by prosecutors depicted President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney as setting in motion leaks to the press that ended in the disclosure of the identity of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame.
immanentize (#67)-
Impeach him!
I wonder how fast that could be orchestrated given intense pressure from enough quarters on elected “leaders.”
At the third anniversary protest of the war on Iraq, I brought my old signs that read: No War on Iraq, and I crossed out the ‘q’ and put an ‘n’ in its place.
If anyone has their old signs, I think we should use them in this way to drive home the point that they are doing it again on Iran.
I think that’s a very clever idea. The thought of the possibility of the Bush adminstration once again ignoring all sense and decency and just going ahead with whatever devious horrible plan they have in mind for Iran has been giving me fitz.
Lol. For the out of the loopers, that was a serious statement ending in a play on word(s) in regards to the last thread I was posting in. ;o)
So…the Embassy Of Niger Employees forged the Yellow Cake Uranium document!
Sismi and Martino – with laptop – in the Starbuck’s across the street from the Consul.
I knew it, you crazy cats, it was for the money, yes?
“Martino told me that if he was able to obtain a copy of a contract then he would have earned a lot of money from an unspecified ‘intelligence’ organisation.â€
President Bush, Karl Rove, V.P. Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and the entire U.S Intelligence community put their collective prestige behind the uranium story in the Jan. 28, 2003, State of the Union address and now we learn that they were hoodwinked by SPAM from Niger no less!
Upon reflection, it is not like they were looking for cheap shortcuts to enlarge any body parts, lose weight fast, refinance the mortgage at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, watch underage teens online or help a poor widow liberate millions from an African nation- this was sophisticated SPAM and in reality they meant well and were just trying to accomplish their mission, the one they began with 80% approval ratings (113% according to FOX News) because Shock and Awe was GREAT TV – Damn you, Joe Wilson, the horror, the horror!
Ultimately this led to a ‘Concerted Effort’ to Discredit Wilson and Burn His Wife and that is the rest of the story. Patrick Fitzgerald…good night.
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
Cozumel, I lived in San Antonio for 12 years — I cannot believe that any of the progressive Dems in Austin or South would give a nickle to that, well, mother.
Or is there some stratergizing thingy I’m missing?
#38, others:
These are definitely nuclear weapons. According to a recent Air Force study conducted by Rand (around page 70) destruction on an underground facility (such as contemplated with Rove’s “penetrators” would result in fallout that would kill 90-100% of the population within 20-100 km of the blast. The wide range depends mainly on the size of the weapon used. They argue that the higher yield weapon would probably be required for a well-buried target, and conclude:
Deaths from fallout are maximized by this type of weapon (as compared with “conventional” non-penetrating weapons). Noting further that the “penetration” that can be expected is probably less than a very few meters, one rapidly concludes that they would probably be forced to use multiple weapons to dig down to the enrichment facility. This would be nuclear war.
The weird thing about Iran is that they see it as another shock and awe moment. Just so really very clueless.
unclebug – #72
thanks for the link to the article! I love this:
—
Fitzgerald said he worked three years in private practice and lived frugally so he could pay off his student loans and take a job in public service.
“The truth is people don’t realize how rewarding public service is, in a way that’s just not taxable,” he said.
—
Fitz is a very droll guy.
Here’s another article on the same talk. Not so many good quotes, but a photo:
http://www.daily-chronicle.com…..news01.txt
So we are contemplating an unprovoked nuclear first strike?
Not even Reagan would be so evil.
Again briefly delurking. Hi Imman and BobbyG. I thought it would be a great bumper sticker. “you don’t have to be a liberal to hate George Bush”. On second thought “hate” probably shouldn’t be in a bumper sticker.
ccmask – you’re in Texas ? general area ?
immanentize -
missed you on the thread the other night where you mentioned working with Morris Dees – WoW one of my heroes in this life, I hope it was a rewarding experience for you – of course by merely typing that, 5 or 6 links will appear telling me what a schmuck he is. oh well, no good deed . . .
shoephone – I didn’t take it that way. I could put you all to sleep with story after story of encounters with these putzs in the Mideast, you know, their area of expertise zzzz
It’s why I was so attracted to Zinni initially, he actually has a clue . Wonder what markfromireland thinks of him, have to check it out
Yes, new placard:
INVADE IRA
QN:Invest YOUR child today!
Specifically, two are needed to fill in for Jenna and Barbara.
bobbyG – #82
Bush IS an man of his word. And his word is “Bullshit”.
You don’t have to be a liberal to censure Bush !
And re: Nuking Iran, these guys not only think the unthinkable, but do it, too. They’re totally reckless, out of control, running shitless scared and are setting up Iran as the ultimate CYA diversion.
It’s like some frog-torturing kid who torches the house to hide from his parents that he killed the cat (or bomb-carrying dog, as I learned today).
Gonna put on Dr. Strangelove now and see how this all ends.
Yes immanentize that’s exactly what they’re contemplating. Evil to the core.
immanentize,
“Cozumel, I lived in San Antonio for 12 years — I cannot believe that any of the progressive Dems in Austin or South would give a nickle to that, well, mother.
Or is there some stratergizing thingy I’m missing?”
I can’t remember exactly what the deal is. I don’t keep up with Texas politics usually. It was in an article I read several months ago. A lot of corporate money if IRRC and the general idea was that she had the best chance of taking down Rick Perry (R), the current Governor. I’m in Fort Worth ; )
oh – whot-the-hell!
You don’t have to be a liberal to impeach Bush !
You don’t have to be a liberal to know Bush is a liar!
It’s a hoot, alright, but I do get rather tired of this crap, the sand in the umpire’s eyes.
After reading the Exec Order Amendment and the Fitz filing dd. 05-APR-06, I wonder what Libby is trying to hide under a snow of documents that happened on these dates:
June 7-14, 2003; October 12-16, 2003; November 24-28, 2003; March 3-7, 2003; and March 22-26, 2003
Would love to put a blow-by-blow timeline together, will have to work on this early this week. Why would Libby want more documentation about these dates in particular, and not other dates? Did his perjury cover events that happened on these dates, or is there something else that happened that they want to obscure? Or did Bush or Cheney do something on these dates about which Libby wants to flip?
So much to do, so little time…
tocklit (50) — don’t forget that anything and everything transmitted electronically has been recorded somewhere. If they were watching Wilson out of pique, they knew he was going to press BEFORE he even turned anything over to the press. Amb. Wilson might have taken precautions, but he might also have wanted to pressure his and his spouse’s “stalkers” in the White House, too. They had been working on this “assault” since March or earlier, after all.
Do these numbers add up to anyone?
There’s a close connection between U.S. rulers and DP World. U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow was the chair of CSX rail firm, which sold its own international port operations to DP World for $1.5 billion in 2004. He left DP World in 2004 to join the Bush administration.
In 2002, CSX was purchased by the Carlyle Group, of which George Bush Sr. was a principal owner. Carlyle bought it for $300 million and sold it to DP World for $650 million two years later.
http://www.workers.org/2006/world/dubai-0413/
(Popping in for a brief moment…)
Immanentize –
You mention having seen a piece which claims Israel does NOT want us attacking Iran now — could you mean Steve Clemons at http://www.thewashingtonnote.com?
——–
Everybody –
Here’s one relatively safe prediction I’m making: people will be coming out of the wordwork with YET MORE DIRT on this administration.
There are people who know stuff, amazing jaw-dropping stuff that we don’t know about yet concerning Bush & Co. Lots of them may be afraid to lose their jobs, perhaps for the sake of their families and suchlike. I predict that the threat of nuclear war with Iran will institute a game of “Beat the Clock,” whereby folks with the goods on Bush, Cheney, et alia will step forward (maybe even just as “anonymous sources”) flinging even more atrocious dirt out in the open.
The stakes have been made so much higher. I’m sure there are people who would never “tell” on Bushco, no matter what. But there has to be a group of individuals who see that averting nuclear war means “the whole shootin’ match.” (Some) people will suddenly find the courage they lacked before.
They have to “Beat the Clock” by means of an inundation, a tidal wave of soul-shocking scandal, to stay the evil hands which so eagerly reach for the button.
Valley Girl: ((((((*!*))))))
“…President Bush, Karl Rove, V.P. Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and the entire U.S Intelligence community put their collective prestige behind the uranium story in the Jan. 28, 2003, State of the Union address and now we learn that they were hoodwinked by SPAM from Niger no less!”
Yeah, Bush got some email one day from some Minister-of-Whateverthefuck dude in Niger, promising to deposit $48 million in an account for him if he would just provide some information about where to send the money. And there was some collateral jabber about “yellowcake” in the email.
Hey, these are Busy People. Shit gets misinterpreted.
My Republican son-in-law has a friend who is a prosecutor and relayed this to me today. His friend says they are lying about Bush approving this leak to save Cheney’s butt. He thinks Bush is an idiot (but voted for him). the only thing positive I can say is he ended the conversation with “I wish Bill Clinton was president”.
cbl,
Morris is a complicated fellow, but the work he has done is incredible. He reallly piorneered the strategy of suing the Klan into extinction. It is primarily the same strategy later used in the cigarette products liability litigation.
I primarily worked on prison conditions cases in Alabama, but I did get to serve a subpoena on Bill Wilkerson, then-Grand Wizard of the Imperial Knights of the KKK just after a march and rally in Roanoke Alabama. Great story if you buy me a beer…. It is just like Neiwert said in his post — What the Klan was saying in 1983, the Republicans and Lieberman are saying today.
Wilson- so much better! And in bold, too.
In today’s LA Times, there was a quote from an attorney, who had to remain nameless as he has a client still being investigated….
“If he [Libby] is trying to protect the conspiracy, why does he voluntarily disclose information about the president and the vice president?” asked a lawyer who has represented someone in the case and who requested anonymity because of the pending charges. “Does that sound like a conspiracy to you? He gives up the boss and the under-boss!”
Sounds like Rove’s attorney is angry that he may only get to handle the sentencing portion of Rove’s case and not be the big-wig trier of fact.
Mary – you were asking about Iranian nuclear facilities and wind patterns – according to the ORG briefing, attacks would have to target numerous facilities beyond the actual alleged nuclear sites. This would be necessary to kill scientists and technicians who might be able to reconstitute any nuclear program quickly. Also, facilities of the Revolutionary Guard would be targeted to take out defensive forces – and naval forces would be attacked to attempt to keep the Straits of Hormuz clear. Also note that amongst the facilities targeted are ones in highly populated areas like Tehran.
The target map Fox News has featured for two weeks in a row in special coverage of the “threat” from Iran includes about 200 target sites spread throughout the country – while nuclear bunker busters might be the weapon W choses for specific locations, an attack approaching carpet bombing of large – and populated – areas of Iran are definitely being publicly discussed on Dick Cheney’s favorite news channel on a regular basis.
how about:
You don’t have to be human to support Bush, but it helps
immanentize,
Joe Lieberman is worse than worthless, as a constituent — I was in DC last June and his mother had just died — I was walking past his office and stopped in to offer condolences and was immediately shooed out, told “the Senator is not here” I was just trying to be human. That was the last straw for me — had at least tried since he was our Senator up to that point.
Sadly, Dodd is also following Joey off the cliff. And now Dodd is saying he’s considering running for president?? God help us.
CT has United Technologies HQ and Sikorsky builds choppers here, but they just came off strike and Sikorsky was ready to move production to another plant out-of-state. The sub base was saved from the navy base shut-down list, so no one has to pay attention to that any more. Remember, per capita, this is the richest state, so tax cuts from Rs outweigh war stuff IMHO.
Today an AP report that people making $10mil or more/yr got at least $1mil cut from their taxes from Bush’s cuts.
John Larson CT-01 won that surprise election for leadership in the House, and is not challenged this year. Rosa DeLauro is the most effective member, also essentially unchallenged.
Real opportunities in CT-02 — the whole Eastern half of the state — Joe Courtney v. Rob Simmons (R) who is a major former military Bush butt boy, and Shays v. Diane Farrell in Fairfield Cty — she almost beat him last time, and he is running scared.
And, unfortunately, unless she is indicted, Nancy Johnson, my Congressperson (CT-05) is on the incumbent own my seat till I die bandwagon — she has access to so much pharma and health insurance money — no one really has a chance — that’s her payback for the Medicare prescription bill disaster.
if fitz is able to bring all this information to the public, where the fourth estate reneged their obligation, where the house of representatives renegged their obligation, where the senate renegged in their obligatuon;
then we have the department of justice to thank for saving the constitution of the United States of America, and this nation, this world, and the legacy we leave to our children will owe to this man the same dept of gratitude that we afford the architechs of this once proud democracy.
all I can say is;
fitz!
Rayne (139),
Libby asked for lots more than those dates. These are dates that Fitz agrees may be relevant — therefore making your question that much more interesting.
Oh, almost forgot to say — at least SOME of the people who will provide the tidal wave necessary to nail the Bushies will be pissed-off SPOOKS (or ex-SPOOKS). Only stands to reason.
cbl: no. I’m not in Texas. I just never heard about his mom running as a sleeper republican, I mean an independant.
And, BobbyG- as another friend, a Brit, would say- Bush doesn’t just have a chip on his shoulder, he has a whole plate of chips.
“You don’t have to be human to support Bush, but it helps”
“I know the human being and the fish can coexist peacefully.”
- Strutting-Chief-Leaks-at-a-Whim, quoted in “Bushisms”
dead last: I have to say I don’t really understand that either. Why DID Libby tell that story to the grand jury? Is it the “I’m so important and busy and doing the President and VP’s bidding. . .”? Knowing the NIE was by then declassified, it didn’t matter? I don’t get it.
Mrs K8 (if you are still here) your post raises a great question — who is leaking the nuclear attack on Iran stuff? If it is the Boltons and the pro-Bush nuts, that is bad bad news. If the sources are other, more rational folk, maybe the goal is to get this train stopped. Considering Murray Waas had it first, I am hopeful it is the latter.
ccmask,
“cbl: no. I’m not in Texas. I just never heard about his mom running as a sleeper republican, I mean an independant.”
“Not a Republican” might turn out to be a winning tactic here, who knows?
Had Enough? ; )
If you don’t think for one minute that this insane madman Bush would not nuke Iran than your crazier than he is.
The President of Iran is not Hitler, Bush is. He is the son Hitler wished he had and like someone else posted he’s on a mission from God or so he thinks.
Like with Hitler the whole world will rise up too stop this madman, but it will be after he starts World War lll.
The Muslums will all unite against our country and there will be fighting not only over there, but here as well. As in other countries american citizens will become targets in retaliation against Bush’s actions.
As someone else also said it is very possible that Bush could declare Martial Law, Set aside the Constitution and suspend elections. He would than remain in power and anyone who attempts to remove him will be silenced or arrested as Enemies of the State or as Insurgents trying to overthrough the government.
And don’t think for one second that the NSA is not monitoring FDL as we all know he spies on american citizens.
He scares the Hell out of me and I worry about what will happen to my children.
God has a special place already set up in Hell for him and all his criminal conspirators. I can only pray that the Lord calls him sooner rather than later.
BobbyG: That is my favorite Bushism for sure! I wonder if it is on Neil Bush’s Ignite! program, currently running in schools where Katrina victims were relocated in Houston.
It’s called the “talking cow”.
lina, the thing is, Libby didn’t tell the grand jury that he was too busy and important to remember everything — he just out and out lied — he said
“I know what happened, it went like this…”
Not:
“I’m really not sure, but I might have….”
He’s doomed. Perhaps the Judge would allow him to serve in Iran?
Here it is y’all, now online, Sy Hersh’s New Yorker piece:
THE IRAN PLANS
Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb?
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former American military and intelligence officials said that Air Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, planned for this spring, to enrich uranium…
…There is a growing conviction among members of the United States military, and in the international community, that President Bush’s ultimate goal in the nuclear confrontation with Iran is regime change. Iran’s President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has challenged the reality of the Holocaust and said that Israel must be “wiped off the map.†Bush and others in the White House view him as a potential Adolf Hitler, a former senior intelligence official said. “That’s the name they’re using. They say, ‘Will Iran get a strategic weapon and threaten another world war?’ â€
A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was “absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb†if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do “what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,†and “that saving Iran is going to be his legacy. 
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/…..417fa_fact
George W. Messiah
It’s called the “talking cowâ€.
Wonder who he named it after……
he must do “what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,†and “that saving Iran is going to be his legacy.â€
OK, I am shutting down and trying to get some sleep. That is too fucked up. Can’t his Dad and his ex-spook buddies do something about this?
ccmask -
Once I thought about taking the numerous collective Bushisms, Dan Quayle malaprops, and Reagan gaffes & mumbles, and doing a mock 3-way “GOP panel discussion” of various issues.
I remember a LONG time ago Harper’s ran a little graphic piece called “Parsing the Gipper.” It ROTFLYFAO funny, a grade-school type paragraph/sentence diagram of one of Reagan’s press conference responses. Looked like a streetmap of BelAire. Wish I still had that.
immanentize: So he didn’t think leaking the NIE to J. Miller was going to be a bombshell when it got out? Or he thought he was going to get away with it and it would never be known publicly. ??
BobbyG,
I don’t put a lot of stock in Sey Hersh, he nails it every so often but’s been wrong more than he’s been right, IMO. Plus, the U.S. ALWAYS has contingency plans as a matter or course, to include bombing Canada I suppose ; )
As far as nuking Iran…….militarily, wouldn’t they have to get all Americans out of the region?
Or, would soldiers get a halliburton government issued gas mask/clothespin to pin on their nose?
immanentize -
Yep. There you have it. Savior of Humanity.
Scary.
Shatterer Shiva in cowboy boots.
Cozumel -
I hope you’re right. And, yeah, Like Wayne Madsen, who also gets a lot of breathless shit wrong.
Sy was right on Abu.
lina,
Definately the latter. Those guys were riding high and felt they could do whatever they liked. No Congres to stop them, no press to stop them, and Ashcroft was AG.
No question — straight up lying and hubris.
BobbyG,
“Like Wayne Madsen”
LOL And RAW STORY too ; )
Cozumel-
And “Capitol Hill Blue”
Like, ‘WTF?’
genuine US plans to invade Canada http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..mp;s=books
BobbyG,
“And “Capitol Hill Blueâ€
I see we both have the same BS filter, cheers! ; )
ccmask:
Jack von Impe has convinced Bush that since our soldiers have already been exposed to high amounts of DU dust, they’ve been immunized from fallout.
So, Bush wants to attack Iran! Not bloddy likely Congress wouldn’t go for that after the debacle in Iraq, right? But Wait!! They let him get way with illegal wire taps, secret prisons and no investigations. They continue to rubber stamp Bushs’ claim of Unitary Executive Powers, and have set a precedent. So when Bush wants to bomb Iran, he will claim he has the power to do it and doesn’t need no stinking approval from Congress, he’s already been given that power via the AUMF to wage the War on Terror. Game , Set and Match!
Cozumel,
IIRC there is a plan to attack Canada somewhere in the DOD. I don’t remember what Blog I read it on, but the government does have one.
As too Iran, if Isreal attacks Iran and they retaliate against Isreal we would end up becomming involved as they are considerd are allies.
Remember, Bush says he don’t care what the poll numbers say about him. Do you really believe he cares what americans say about him taking our country to War with Iran? He don’t give af*ck, he’s the commander in chief and he is the Law, no matter what the Constitution says.
LATimes http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..-headlines
Abortion Ban Foes Filling Petition Pages
Both Democrats and Republicans in conservative South Dakota want to bring the law to a public vote and thus put it on hold.
By Stephanie Simon, Times Staff Writer
April 9, 2006
STURGIS, S.D. — Volunteers pushing to overturn the nation’s most far-reaching abortion ban are surprised and delighted by the response as they circulate petitions to put the law up for a public vote.
Even in the most conservative corners of this conservative state, both Republicans and Democrats — including some voters who say they oppose abortion — are eagerly signing the petition. In two weeks, volunteers have collected a third of the signatures they need to get a November referendum on the ban.
I posted this on the last thread circa winds in Iran.
Wind patterns are deflected by the Zagros and Alborz ranges in the west and north. Summer winds are mainly north and northwest over much of northern and central Iran and are hot, dry, and strong for long periods. The Sistan “Wind of 120 Days” from the northwest blows from the end of May to September continuously and is very hot, dry and sand-laden. The “shamal” blows from the northwest over Khuzestan and coastal regions of the Persian Gulf from February to October, most intensely in summer. These summer winds undoubtedly contribute to the desiccation and, in some cases, filling-in of water courses. In the south the winds are west and southwest.
http://www.briancoad.com/Introduction/Climate.htm
Regarding the LATimes story wherein the Rethug lawyer tries to protect Libby by ridiculing the notion that Libby would tell the story he did, since it would be bass-ackwards protection of the whole conspiracy:
Libby was not trying to protect the whole conspiracy. He thought he was mounting a defense against being indicted for outing Plame.
immanentize –
If YOU haven’t left yet (and I don’t blame you if you did — talking about unleashing WWIII is much more than enough to put you off your feed), I definitely think it’s the SECOND scenario, i.e., that it’s not the Bolton/other unspecified loonies leaking the Iran info, but rather people desperate to stop them.
I also think there are corresponding analogous folks across the pond in the UK who are working behind the scenes, too, to prevent BlairCo from joining an Iranian killing spree. Wasn’t it last weekend or a little earlier that a UK paper revealed a planning meeting to discuss attacks on Iran? Somebody leaked that little item to warn the public.
And it’s my suspicion that these people who are frightened of their respective lunatics at the helm, on opposite sides of the Atlantic, just MIGHT be coordinating their take-down plans.
I’m having a difficult time seeing how a nation able to cobble together one deliverable nuke — or a handful of them — suddenly morphs into the Depends-pissing “grave imminent threat” thingy of Bush’s incontinence. Not to dismiss serious concerns regarding proliferation generally, but, would Iran be willing to risk being vaporized — truly “wiped off the map” — in the wake of shooting off their small wad?
Dubious.
I know that reverts to the old MAD paradigm, but, still.
Lina, read Secrets
the goal for some during the war in Vietnam was to nuke China, not N.Vietnam
“A- HA!…Prostate trouble…A little broccoli might clear that up…”
;>)
http://www.belleville.com/mld/…..285720.htm
Patient charged with threat against Bush
Mental patient says he was just joking
BY BETH HUNDSDORFER
News-Democrat
A patient at the Alton Mental Health Center has been charged with threatening President George W. Bush.
Arafat Nijmeh, a Palestinian who lives in Belleville, had been temporarily committed to the mental health center when he made the threat on March 18. Two psychiatric technicians called the Secret Service.
Nijmeh told federal agents the next day that “to cut off his (appendage) is not too harsh, considering what he has done to my country,” according to the indictment.
After the agents began reading Nijmeh his rights, Nijmeh claimed it was a joke.
wondering something….when Bush was questioned, how did he answer? If he lied, is that covered under national secuity?
The Internets have it all! Here is the original Porky Pig cartoon (I can still remember seeing it on TV as a kid). Porky is scolded for eating more than his share of the family’s food, but Porky doesn’t care. That night, he dreams of a crazed inventor who straps him to a mechanical chair. Porky is then force-fed too much food, even for Porky. Poetic, indeed.
“So, it’s food you want! Ha, ha! We’ll give you plenty of it!” … “So, you love food, aye?†… Smiling at the sight of Piggy’s obesity, the scientist pokes him twice and kindly asks “Have enough, my boy?†To which Piggy Libby replies “Y-y-y-yes sir!†The doctor prosecutor then releases him commenting, “Why, you’re not half full!â€
George A,
“IIRC there is a plan to attack Canada somewhere in the DOD.”
Or Greenland, doesn’t matter, pick you situation. “We” have a “plan” to address it.
Journalists do something similar…..A famous person dies and instantly, Cable News broadcasts an hour long obituary about it (previously recorded).
Patient charged with threat against Bush
“Whack his pee-pee”
Mrs. K8
Do you have a crystal ball? You have predicted the future? I believe you will be proven correct.
While I would note that Wayne Madsen and Capital Hill Blue have not been so far off recently, I am mighty distressed by comments putting Sy Hersh in the same category. From his reporting on My Lai through his accurate and groundbreaking reporting on Abu Ghraib, Hersh has been a reputable and reliable source – dissing him won’t make the news magically better.
Let’s see axis of evil. Iraq invaded. Saber rattling with Iran. Talk of a nuclear strike. And the notoriously circumspect North Koreans? Has anyone thought about them?
Speaking of boils (omens)
CounterPunch
February 1, 2003
Jung and the Space Shuttle
Symbol and Synchronicity with the Columbia Disaster
by JERRY KROTH
The loss of the Columbia space shuttle is suffused with symbols begging for attention. Columbia is named, in part, after Christopher Columbus and symbolically points to the very discovery of the American nation. Strangely, on the threshold of America’s preemptive invasion of Iraq to eliminate its weapons of mass destruction, the shuttle’s hold contained the first Israeli astronaut who in 1981 himself participated in a preemptive attack on an Iraqi nuclear reactor to eliminate its capacity for developing weapons of mass destruction. An uncanny echo, but certainly not the only one.
As we are on the precipice of a war with Iraq, the whole Arab world screams that it is not Iraq but America’s relationship with Israel and the Palestinian crisis that is the root cause of all Arab anti-American sentiment and certainly all terrorism. Suddenly the Columbia crashes with an Israeli astronaut over George Bush’s home state as debris rains down on “Palestine, Texas.” One cannot help but hear these mysterious reverberations.
Similarly, just as the very essence of Israel is intimately connected to the holocaust as a place of refuge against the worst evil ever perpetrated by man against man, so we cannot help but notice another coincidence: Israel’s astronaut was the son of a holocaust survivor.
These synchronicities drape themselves over the landscape of our sadness, almost overshadowing the advent of the America’s next major war. But perhaps the word is not overshadow but foreshadow, and the meaning of the Columbia disaster—if we are to hazard a guess about these coincidences—is that it is the American relationship with Israel that is leading toward disaster. Certainly many in the Islamic world will see this as a preternatural sign that America’s connection to Israel will result in its annihilation.
On the other hand, if our focus is on Israel, then the meaning might be that it is Israel’s relationship with America which is leading it toward disaster, not the other way round, and here we have a more immediate meaning since an invasion of Iraq will more likely result in retaliation upon Israel than upon the U.S. mainland.
Psychiatrist Carl Jung’s teachings about synchronicities-as-oracles might echo similar sentiments. The fact that all this happened on the first day of the Chinese New Year—a terrible omen in ancient China—adds another element of foreboding. Let us hope such things are egregious speculations and that there is no symbolic significance here, merely meaningless coincidences, a few loose tiles, a painful accident, and the loss of very dear people whose parent’s grief galvanizes a nation’s remorse.
Jerry Kroth, Ph.D. is an Associate Professor of Counseling Psychology at Santa Clara University.
#73: ‘If this crowd had been in charge during Vietnam, they would have nuked N. Vietnam.’
They might have. Frustrated by dogged North Vietnam/Viet Cong resistance, hampered by the truancy of chickenhawks like Bush and Cheney, and facing growing domestic political opposition, Kissinger et al were constantly war-gaming nukes. Apparently, the main reason they didn’t use them was fear of retaliation by China or the USSR. The latter is no longer around, and China has been on the ‘capitalist road’ for 40 years. Their successors still have nukes though, and six years of unilateralism has left Uncle Sam with only the Marshall Islands as a reliable ally. We’ll see.
As his nation shudders under the weight of an economy that is overloaned to the hilt…
as state after state suffers from natural disasters with hurricanes and floods in New Orleans, wild fires in Texas and Oklahoma, tornadoes ripping through the heartland..as gas prices spike to unprecedented highs(one of the reasons many in the neo-Confederate-neo-Con Club urged war in Iraq) with workers wages stagnant–with a housing market, the bedrock of the weak recovery slowly leaking air and value–with masses in the streets protesting immigration and the war and with the war slowly grinding at the military–his political party that rode to the resude 12 years ago on an anti-corruption crusade–mired in petty theft, wholesale larceney, graft and corruption–with all of this going on…..The most empty and pathetic leader this nation has ever seen has the remedy for this great nation in such a wounded state……..Politics and campaigning!
Bush has reportedly set his sights on the 2006 election and trying to convince the American people that the crown jewel of his presidency-the Iraq war is not the colossal failure that it is.
Never a more out of touch leader in American history will you find.
“In the end, we are left with a touch of irony as the Administration that famously despises all things French is now crumbling under the burden of the Unitary Executive – a theory devised by the French philosopher Rousseau.”
Roulez les bon temps.
-GSD
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (WTTG), 9 a.m.: Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) and Zalmay Khalilzad , U.S. ambassador to Iraq.
THIS WEEK (ABC, WJLA), 9 a.m.: House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV and actress Bernadette Peters .
FACE THE NATION (CBS, WUSA), 10:30 a.m.: Reps. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) and Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.); Rick Wagoner , chairman and chief executive of General Motors Corp.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC, WRC), 10:30 a.m.: Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) and Reps. Henry Bonilla (R-Tex.), Luis V. Gutierrez (D-Ill.), and J.D. Hayworth (R-Ariz.).
LATE EDITION (CNN), 11 a.m.: Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.); retired Gen. Anthony C. Zinni , former U.S. Central Command chief; New Yorker magazine reporter Seymour M. Hersh and Khalilzad .
John Kerry,Joe Wilson, Seymour Hersh, and Gen. Zinni…Good morning Mr. President.
Re: “Symbol and Synchronicity”
“Knowledge is overrated“
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb, “Fooled by Randomness”
and the Marshall Islands were the scene of the gigantic thermonuclear test explosions of the 1950s… some of those islands were vaporized.
We had a plan to attack Iraq. It called for 325,000 troops on the ground, retention of key low-level Baath functionaries and the rump of the Iraqi army, and timely steps to guard Iraqi weapon depots, civil efficiancy nodes and national treasures from theft or destruction once the easy to predict destruction of their army was accomplished.
The Bush appointees chucked the plan.
The Bush appointees have designed this plan. It calls for creating immense havoc in order to immantize the eschaton.
The Dem guber nominee in Texas is Congressman Chris Bell (TX-25). He filed the ethics motion against Delay in the House.
Re attacking Iran
My May Atlantic came today and it includes a short piece by James Fallows about a war game exercise the magazine sponsored about a year and a half ago regarding nukes and Iran. These were conducted by experienced national security types, both military and civilian, no longer in government. The worst of all options were those involving military strikes of one kind or another. They recently reviewed the results based on the subseequent turn of events and those previous conclusions are more compelling than ever. However, if it’s God’s (aka Allah’s) will speaking into you know who’s ear . . . .
This part right here (as opposed to the castration part):
not too harsh, considering what he has done to my country,†according to the indictment.
makes the guy sound sane.
Will the Secret Service use this particular part of the patient’s remarks to prove that he is NOT insane, and therefore competent to stand trial? IOW, will they have to show that “what Bush has done to my country” is enough to prove the patient is rational? That would be hilarious.
Otherwise, how do they take this to trial? The guy is a friggin’ MENTAL PATIENT. And he was where, supposedly, people who are mentally ill are supposed to be!
In line with the infamous “Napoleon Complex,” will the Secret Service start arresting mental patients who CLAIM TO BE the president of the U.S. on grounds of impersonating the POTUS?
How crazy is it to arrest mental patients in a mental hospital?!?
Mr. K8 immediately said that one of the staff must be a poisoned Kool-Aid drinker who called the S.S.
Doesn’t this guy’s HIPPA rights kick in? Did someone REALLY think he was a threat to the POTUS, capable of getting to Georgie to castrate him?!?
That story is just SO fucked up.
siun,
Hersh HAS had his low moments – his book on KAL 007 was junk. He predicted stalls and failures in the early stages of both Afghanistan and Iraq which didn’t materialize. But, by and large, his recent stuff has been OK. The New Yorker retains the best fact-checking department in journalism.
Hecklers interrupt Sen. Clinton at Brown University
April 8, 2006
PROVIDENCE, R.I. –Anti-war protesters interrupted U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s speech at Brown University on Saturday night by heckling the New York Democrat for four solid minutes before police escorted them out of the auditorium.
Clinton was about eight minutes into her 50-minute speech, “Women Leaders,” when an unidentified man stood and shouted “Is it leadership to support the war?”
He was quickly joined by two other hecklers as he stood on his seat and continued to criticize Clinton for her vote to authorize the U.S. invasion of Iraq and her subsequent votes to fund the war.
http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..niversity/
Nuking Iran is about the only thing that would divert my attention from Fitz,Plame.
Hmmmm, I wonder if the Bush mafia ses it that way too?
invest, should read DONATE, or at least the politically understood: CONTRIBUTE
INVADE IRAQN:
Invest YOUR child today!
Specifically, two are needed to fill in for Jenna and Barbara.
BobbyG: I love Harper’s. I just ordered a year subscription….
Mental Patient threatens the preznit’s pee-pee.
God, no wonder they called in the FBI — imagine what would happen if Commander Codpiece lost his magic wanger.
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Didn’t Condi say the other day that this administration would have to be “brain dead” if it didn’t learn from its past mistakes?
The same criminals who claimed to believe that the Iraqis would greet them with flowers in Iraq wouldn’t find it hard to believe in bunker buster nukes – just as they celebrate our pinpoint accuracy in bombing in Iraq – and as long as no media shows the results and no official body counts the casualties, we ignore the murdered innocents as complete residential blocks are destroyed with pinpoint accuracy.
The plans for Iran lead not simply to anger at the US from UAE, etc and expensive oil for our SUVs – it includes and in fact depends on killing men, women and children. Of course, these same US officials (Rummy, Cheney, et al) had no problem arming the Iraqis with chemical weapons that killed vast numbers of Iranians during the Iran Iraq war – and then, as now, Lt. Rick Francona reported on the results – then for the US admin, now for our tv talking heads. All the same war criminals … all the same crimes.
WaPo -
“The Bush administration is studying options for military strikes against Iran as part of a broader strategy of coercive diplomacy…”
“coercive diplomacy”???
Gotta love it. Words have utterly lost any rational lexical meaning when shit like this passes without acidic rebuke.
It shall go principally without notice, I guess, that ‘diplomacy’ is the ANTITHESIS of ‘coercive.’ You do diplomacy in order to preclude having to stoop to coercion (and the reciprocal ill will and eventual atrocity the latter eventually begets).
Fucking amazing.
As this Iran scenario becomes more likely, I’m becoming uncomfortable with my nom de blog! Any suggestions?
ccmask -
Harper’s is Da Bomb. I am an irascible Lapham-ista.
I’m becoming uncomfortable with my nom de blog!
Shouldn’t that be nom de boom?
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I posted the Mental patient story early this morning. Guess it got EPU’d in one of those threads.
I had two observations then:
1) The article doesn’t (and probably can’t) say what kind of mental patient he is to determine if he has a condition that would affect his credibility.
2) Treatment center…? Is this a walk-in facility, or the kind where one must reside for more serious problems?
It’s still weird to be going after mental patients now.
But it sure did make my tin-foil hat get warm…
Do you have a crystal ball? You have predicted the future? I believe you will be proven correct.
looseheadprop –
Do you mean my prediction that a flood of dirt on Bushco is coming to a media outlet near you? Or the part about across the sea coordination?
Boy, do I WISH I had a crystal ball! No such luck. Just seems common sense to me. Bushco has made so very many enemies, and they have turned dedicated civil servants out of their jobs for having the audacity to WANT to do their jobs with integrity. I can imagine that there are OODLES of public servants (and ex-public servants) who are appalled and scared down to their tippy-toes and the ends of their hair over the notion of a nuclear attack on Iran.
This is not your “average” Bush scandal. This is Armageddon knocking at the door, courtesy of King George and his mad courtiers.
gregg
It sounds like Jerry Kroth was getting way too synchronous with his meds when he wrote that. Something could be taken to mean something or something else possibly its opposite. “Well, OK,” he said, inching toward the door.
GSD
Was the Unitary Executive Rousseau or that other great French philosopher Louis XIV?
And grammatically, it’s: Laissez les bons temps rouler.
As for Edward Teller
Immantize the eschaton, wow! two in one fell swoop.
Jesus, anybody who even mentions that Palestine TX thing is weird enough. Anyone ever been to Palestine (pronounced PaleSTEEN)? Shee-it, I’ve been there tons of times. Ain’t much happening there, although the Dogwoods are pretty in the spring.
OTOH, Palestine did give the world Kinky Friedman.
Courtesy of Buzzflash:
A pox on our house, a mark on his face.
It all “boils” down to Chimpocalypse Now.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contr…..04247.html
-GSD
sorry,
immanentize, sorry. I misspell that word all the time.
“Laissez les bons temps rouler.”
I was looking for that. I should have hit the books in 7 and 8 grades a little harder.
Lookup that article upthread it has a nice study of the French Revolution and the “unitary executive”.
-GSD
P. J. Evans #105 and Watson # 195
What would the past 43 years have been like if George W. Bush & Co. had been in charge during the Cuban Missle Crisis? How may of us wouldn’t even be here any more, or never have been born? As badly as that crowd screwed up in Vietnam, they handled that one well.
Edward Teller –
I guess something like “Edward Teller’s Virtuous Twin” is too long, huh?
siun,
“While I would note that Wayne Madsen and Capital Hill Blue have not been so far off recently, I am mighty distressed by comments putting Sy Hersh in the same category. From his reporting on My Lai through his accurate and groundbreaking reporting on Abu Ghraib, Hersh has been a reputable and reliable source – dissing him won’t make the news magically better.”
Bad comparison on my part to lump Sy in with Masden or Capitol Blue. On the other hand, once a “source” loses credibility with me, RAW STORY for example (another one), I refuse to be reduced to trying to figure out what’s credible and what isn’t from that source. JMO.
And his poll numbers are dropping faster than the panties of a truckstop hooker.
Ah yes, Chimpocalypse Now and what has the chimp been sniffing?
“You smell that? Do you smell that? Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm “
“… in the morning”
coercive diplomacy=
*consensual rape
*distinctly common
*delicate explosion
*lucidly myopic
*generous skinflint
*brutal caresse
*violent peacemaker
*sane sociopath
That’s funny. Robert Duvall only had seventeen minutes of screentime on Apacolypse Now, yet he owned it.
compassionate conservative
precision bombing
Iraq plan
GSD @2:29
You left off a couple:
*President Bush
*Military Intelligence
Junior is now the sorcerer’s apprentice. All those marching brooms bringing buckets, and the water’s getting over his head.
I’m voting for Kinky because of his slogan:
“How Hard Can It Be?”
which is both a dig at governor “goodhair” Perry and an inside joke on the largely ceremonial nature of the job here in Texas. To know more about that, brush up on the particular turns the Reconstruction took in the former republic…
coercive diplomacy?
I see a new FDL late night contest on the horizon…..
As badly as that crowd screwed up in Vietnam, they handled [the Cuban Missle Crisis] well.
JFK’s handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis (i.e., not taking out Castro) and his plans to withdraw from Vietnam were the motivating force behind the unpleasantness on 11/22/63.
The Iraq/Iran Clusterfuck — brought to you by the same folks that brought you the JFK hit and Vietnam.
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A few news items of note.
First, Blair being informed that Iraqis are dissappearing into a “black-hole” in US detention centers.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20…..aqusprison
Second. Marines sacked for lack of confidence.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.co…..674097.php
US document portrays a “dire situation” in Iraq.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20…..0408233008
-GSD
ET, you could “transition” into a new name step by step… Ed*ard Teller for starters…
VG,
I went that far already when we went through the * for “s” in honor of siun, and then, more prescient, the boycotting of “W”s – as in *wilson.
E**ard Teller
Rayne
April 8th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
Your thoughts on Wilson being self conscious of being surveiled and using it is very intriguing. If you already know you’re being watched, why not use it to set up a sting on your opponent= the WH.
Make them do stupid stuff and document Them reacting to it. Keep your own timeline that could be turned over to say, a special procecutor, at some later date. Hmm, very Interesting. Reminds me of a theory on privacy in the age of electronic bugging, what if everyone had equal access to surveillance technology, ie citizens tapping the government bueracracies at will, if the individual has no real right to privacy, neither do government officals or agencies. Kinda like everyone being an ‘Internal Affairs’ agent on government officals.
gleex says:
April 8th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
Go to Google, type in “failure†and press the “I’m feeling lucky†button… Bush
Go to Google, type in “liar†and press the “T’m feeling lucky†button… Blair
…..
and go to google, type in “asshole” and press the “I’m feeling lucky” button… :)
What are congressional democrats prepared to do about it ALL?
The Bushites must be ground to powder.
and it’s the whole crew who comes up :) with a song.
“A Good Leak”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00895.html
Warning, if you’re not already too upset, don’t read this WaPo editorial. It’s at least as bad and as tortured as the title suggests.
“On Iran, Intelligence-Blind American War Planners Should Consult with the Better-Informed Israelis”
“My point is that Israel has substantial intelligence resources inside Iran telling it that “there is time” to work on sensible solutions. They do not see Iran’s nuclear program as an imminent threat. They also believe that there are trends inside Iran that may “deal with” Ahmadenijad.”
“I think that Israel is making a lot of sense here — and if we are flying blind and they are not, we should learn from Israel what we can before we trip into a second major global catastrophe that may itself undermine what’s left of America’s position in the world.”
Steve Clemons at the Washington Note
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
A poster from Alternet regarding AT&T:
Ahh Ma Bell,the first listening device ever put into the American home. The Phone Co. ‘monitors’ conversations every day. Hundreds of thoussands of conversations. Ever since they went fiber optic back in the early 80’s,you have’nt been talking to who you think you are. Spent some time with a phone guy back then,we got into a long talk about the difference between the old lines and the new fiber optic lines.
Well ,the old lines actually sent your voice and the voice on the other end was actually their voice. With fiber optics your voice goes into a massive computer system and it makes a ‘copy’ of your voice and sends it along. The same is true of the person you are talking to. This computer is no hunk of junk Dell or Gateway, this baby can do all kinds of fun things.
Not only does it mimic your voice,it can change your whole conversation and you’ll never know it. It gets programed with ‘catch phrases’ that trigger more indepth ‘monitoring’ if they’re said too often. If you draw the ‘big ear’ lottery,your phone can become a live microphone, even if it’s hung up.
Fiber optics allows for the ‘monitoring’ of hundreds of thousands of conversations,and all are potientially evidence.
Monitored conversations are sometime sold to screen-writers and other entertainment writers for ‘flavorful dialogue’.
This is bullshit treatment for living in a ‘Free Society’. If
you think you’re getting a break with wireless…no way!!!
Recievers can be bought at Radio Shack to pick up your wireless signals. From all your wireless crap. Home security cams,phones,computers,you name it.
I don’t think this is the America we were told we had. I don’t think it’s the America you want either. I sure don’t.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/33334/?
comments=view&cID=94068&pID=94018#c94068
OfT (if we still have a topic after 240+ comments….)
Nice puff piece on page A03 of WaPo about the Tom and Christine Delay Christian Ghetto for Foster Families:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00917.html
hi yall… nuking Iran is about the only thing that could create a distraction big enough to wag this dog. if you do any search, it’s all over the place… “PLANS are under way for a massive bombing strike on sites where Iran is believed to be enriching uranium before President George W Bush leaves office in less than three years’ time.
Both Bush and Dick Cheney, his vice-president, regard Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s president, as a new Hitler who cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons and carry out his fantasy of wiping Israel off the map.
Although they hope that diplomatic efforts to restrain Iran will succeed, “it is not in their nature to bequeath the problem to their successorsâ€, a senior White House source said last week.
The Pentagon is believed to be considering options that would allow it to destroy facilities such as Iran’s main centrifuge plant at Natanz in a single night of bombing.
Richard Perle, a leading neoconservative, said that an attack could “be over before anybody knew what had happened. The only question then would be what the Iranians might do in retaliation.”… from sunday’s timesonline.co.uk.
Geez, I turned on the TV, and the History Channel had JFK’s motorcade in Downtown Dallas; flipping to PBS, they are showing Judgment at Nuremberg.
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John Casper: Truly unbelievable #243.
So I guess the people he outed were pulled out of the field and briefed prior to releasing the info…I mean after all, Plame was a new Mom of twins and I’m sure Bush can understand that!
WoW, hadn’t checked the ‘Crashing The Gate’ tour dates until just now and realized Jerome and Markos will be in Portland tomorrow.
Most definitely will be stopping by !
John Casper – “A Good Leak” You know, I think that’s even worse than this one I found on National Review:
“What “Shocking Revelationâ€?” http://www.nationalreview.com/…..081200.asp
new thread: “Late Night: A thin candy…”
“Nuclear penetrator”? It’s a fucking nuclear bomb. A nuke. Mushroom cloud. Big boom. Everybody dead for miles around. What the hell kind of spin is “nuclear penetrator”?
Re: Nuking Iran
Posted this earlier and it got EPU’d but addresses issues raised above, so allow me to repeat.
I prefer to think of the bomb-Iran scare as just so much saber-rattling intended to scare the Iranian mullahs into coming to the bargaining table to strike a deal on nuclear enrichment and inspection guarantees.
However, I don’t think this scare will work to deter the Iranians, because they expect that they have an equally powerful bargaining chip: instability in Iraq, oil, and command of the Straits of Hormuz.
The danger here, I think, comes from the conjunction of two factors: the significantly weakened position of Bushco as shown by the political polls in the context of an expected electoral showdown in November, and the trigger-happy propensity of that gang as shown by the Iraq misadventure. Their history has shown that they are fundamentally driven by the objective of advancing their own political position. Therefore, the resort to an extreme of actually deploying the nuclear option in Iran cannot simply be ruled out.
It may be wishful thinking to hope that they settle for cranking up the saber-rattling engine as a way of restoring their political fortunes in November without going to the extreme option. And maybe the threat of an economic disaster coming from an explosion in the oil market will encourage the corporate oligarchy to pull them back from the brink.
But one can wish, no? In the meantime, it is necessary to expose the madness that this nuclear threat entails and work to cut off the political wings of the Bushco gang in November and 08.
NY Law Firm advises us to advise you as person or persons that the correct usage is “EAT IT COBAG” however, the cobag may be implied for brevity.
I have a couple wild-ass ideas suitable for a saturday night.
First, check recent promotions in the military for holy-roller crazy Christians like Boykin. These are the people who would obey an order to nuke Iran.
Second, is it possible that the strategic advantage of causing chaos in Iran and iraq is to cut off China’s supply, whild keeping the Saudi/kuwaiti/etc. oil for ourselves?
would write a lot more, but this took 10 minutes to load in comments.
Kudos to Joe Neo on the graphic.
from the Wa-Po:
They were not alone. Fitzgerald reported for the first time this week that “multiple officials in the White House”– not only Libby and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who have previously been identified — discussed Plame’s CIA employment with reporters before and after publication of her name on July 14, 2003, in a column by Robert D. Novak. Fitzgerald said the grand jury has collected so much testimony and so many documents that “it is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to ‘punish’ Wilson.”
Slam…Dunk…Case closed……
Amen
P.S.
To all of us paying attention anyway.
The other 85%…we must tell them!
“That’s funny. Robert Duvall only had seventeen minutes of screentime on Apacolypse Now, yet he owned it.“
Greatest American actor of his generation. DeNiro, Hoffman, Redford, Newman…..he’s right there in that group. “The Apostle” puts him in the lead.
Has anyone seen this one…
Leaders of the state Democratic Party voted Saturday to urge Congress to begin impeachment proceedings against the President..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..NlYwM3MDM-
jw in tokyo:
the idea to initiate impeachment through a strongly democratic state legislature was floating around at TPM cafe a few months ago.
The idea being, the nat’l dems would never do it, but in a state like Vermont, the legislature could send articles of impeachment to the US Congress, and as soon as they arrive all other business must be suspended before the issue is resolved and a vote taken.
Rather arcane constitutional law, obviously never used–but what a great idea.
Hey FDL, there’s something to promote!
yo, edward teller, here’s a sugestion
How about Robert Oppenhiemer ???
Leslie Groves ???
Enola Gay ???
fat man ???
that last one is a little christmassy
One thing I think is odd in Fitz’ recent filing is that Karl Rove is missing from all these machinations.
Why would the “President” send Scooter to leak to Judith Miller when Scooter is Cheney’s chief of staff? Is it because they knew that Scooter had a “special relationship” with Ms. Miller? Why would Karl Rove NOT be involved with this?
Jane’s posts are a work of art.
Here’s something that pisses me off. Yahoo news as quoted here on another thread, and now the NYT (although when I just went back to grab the quote, the story, on Arlen Specter’s Fox News This Morning appearance was gone) repeat without qestioning the dubious claim “President Bush declassified sensitive intelligence in 2003 and authorized its public disclosure to rebut Iraq war critics.” No, he didn’t. He can’t as a functionary in the _people’s_ government (albeit the highest-ranking one – gag) declassify something just by stating it or allowing it to be stated. Can he just go on the teevee and blurt out our nuclear launch codes and submarine positions? I think not. His person is not synonymous with the government. L’etat, ce n’est _pas_ lui, Dieu merci. In fact, I can think of more approprate French for him. But this meme is creeping in that his mere stating of something is de facto declassification, and the press corpse is helping to propagate it with their usual zombie-like acquiesence. Please somebody call bullshit.
Back to lurking now, promise.
Great question, Jane! Who’s funding Scoot’s defense?
Wondering that very thing yesterday. Big ka-ching here!
Some vested interests, maybe? Suppose?
Beads, rivulets, of sweat running down W’s crack these days?
Must be time to nuke Iran!
(hey, speaking of the Scoots, how about that Reggie Walton recusal motion by Sibel Edmonds? Let her speak dammit. Let’s get it all out in the open, 9-11, warts, and all.)
“Once that die was cast …”
Fitz. Stand up comedian or poet? Gotta love him.
Dang, the NY Law Firm is after you guys now. You’d better be careful as they nearly brought down the blogging juggernaut that is Sadly, No!
ipso facto….EAT IT SCOOTERBAGZ!
#247: “it is not in their nature to bequeath the problem to their successorsâ€
Gee, they’re willing to leave the troops in Iraq for their successors. A little inconsistent, aren’t they?