Fitz!

I say we try to find those pictures of the Tom Delay memorial in VandeHei’s house and publish them. I’ll give 200.00 to anyone that comes up with them. :-)

yeah but the dance before was the copycat dance. This one appears to be more of a face off.

Valley Girl: Me3 has tried to post two times (now — 2-3 minutes ago). Each time he hits submit, a blank edit box returns, but no post is recorded. Any suggestions?

you got me fitzin baby
[hand claps]

Knight Ridder!

I think WaPo just forget to check the database first.

http://tinyurl.com/mvahs
China has recorded details of more than 96 percent of its population on a police database,
. . . The database is just one way in which China keeps tabs on its citizens. When Mao Zedong becomes required reading in the NSA we know that there’s a whole new spirit in our government. Foot binding is, after all, enthusiastically endorsed by Bybee and Yoo. Bush and Mao both support a “chairman” approach to governance. Live goldfish are a delicacy both in China and at Bush’s frat.
A speech by Bush sounds virtually the same delivered in English and Mandarin.

Ah, so - this is what we’ve come to.

curious in central Texas

I have absolutely no idea as to a solution, bec. I don’t know the ins and outs of the computer stuff at FDL or elsewhere. I have never had this happen to me, although I have had other problems. This is very frustrating!!! Jane, are you reading? Me3 was such a great contributor… help? Any ideas, Jane?

curious in central Texas

BTW, is this happening even with simple posts that have no links included?

But I thought the cocktail weenie season was from Thanksgiving ’till New Years?

With 94% of 100,000 respondants at the MSNBC poll feeling the president lied us into the emasculation of the reputation of our country, I’m not sure these guys are gonna be able to go to anything better than their own barbecue by the 4th of July.

Anyone who is having trouble needs to email me their IP address.

or to paraphrase sandra bernhard in without you i’m nothing -
you cannot fight the fitz

Me3 has tried to post with links and without links included in the message, and says he has never been able to post since we changed to this new software.

Mary, You’re on fire today. It’s like one of those great Motown acts, where the singer and the backups are in perfect synch. Thanks for the time you spend to educate, and to Christy and Jane, xxoo.

Looks like Carnivore is eating everything in sight.

-GSD

Jane:

(1) Where is your e-mail address listed? (Not that I am having any current problem, nor sitting on any gold.)

(2) I guess I’m sleepy tonight. What’s the relevance of the previous apparent WaPo plagiarism to the juxtaposition of the two stories that you highlighted here?

curious in central Texas

Well, the cries have been heard. Did you see Jane’s comment above?

Anyone who is having trouble needs to email me their IP address.

Jane, will you share your email address? When I click on your name I’m directed back to the beginning of the article. Thanks.

The fascist are coming! Fuck, they’re here. Hello? Wake Up! Hello? Are you there? Anyone home? Do you care? Hello? Hello? Hello? Hello? Hello?

goddess dammit! other strong curse words!

i know it’s weekend and late, but look at this thread: sallyh and her book.

so i guess you can’t fly with liberal books anymore.

don’t try to fly and take a liberal book with you.

sorry to be angry and OT, but this really bothers me.

curious in central Texas

I was figuring this out before I saw your post. I have a temporary hotmail addy. If Me3 or you send me the IP address and email contact, I will pass it on. temporary addy for me: tenureransom at hotmail dot com

I have been reading non-stop for hours. Jane and Christy, Mary, lph, and everyone have have been absolutely wonderful in the lively and smart exchange about the Leaker-in-Chief and all things plame-related. I can’t begin to tell you how much I’ve learned. And jojo, yes, the EFF lawsuit against AT&T certainly does bother me. If there isn’t a full. stop. soon, I can’t imagine how bad things will be in another week, or month, or god forbid, two+ more years.

Thanks, Valley Girl. I’ve shared your message with Me3. He has sent email to you now.

EFF’s evidence regarding AT&T’s dragnet surveillance of its networks includes a declaration by Mark Klein, a retired AT&T telecommunications technician, and several internal AT&T documents. This evidence was bolstered and explained by the expert opinion of J. Scott Marcus, who served as Senior Advisor for Internet Technology to the Federal Communications Commission from July 2001 until July 2005.

http://www.eff.org/news/archiv.....php#004538

Plaintiffs are moving for a preliminary injunction against AT&T to enjoin its participation in a massive, government-directed domestic spying scheme. Plaintiffs’ motion papers include a supporting memorandum and the supporting declarations and exhibits of Mark Klein and telecommunications network expert J. Scott Marcus. Mr. Klein is a former AT&T employee, and in his declaration he attaches and discusses certain AT&T documents. These documents were imprinted “proprietary†but not “confidential†by AT&T. Telecommunications expert Mr. Marcus discusses these same AT&T documents and Mr. Klein’s declaration in his own declaration.

From motion filed April 5, found at http://www.eff.org/legal/cases.....ealing.pdf

More:

Moreover, it is generally known that AT&T engages in surveillance of the communications of its customers, including the domestic surveillance on behalf of the National Security Agency that is at issue in this lawsuit. Declaration of Cindy Cohn, Ex. B (Dionne Searcey, Shawn Young, and Amol Sharma, Wiretapping Flap Puts Phone Firms Under Fire, Wall St. J., Feb. 7, 2006, at B3).

and culminating in:

II. CONCLUSION
Pursuant to Local Rule 79-5(d), plaintiffs request that the memorandum of points and authorities and the declarations and exhibits of Mark Klein and J. Scott Marcus that they are lodging under seal be unsealed and made part of the public record in this action if five days after the filing of this motion defendants have not filed a declaration in support of sealing.

Here’s a new post by me on my site that gives some historical perspective to President Bush’s claim of the Unitary Executive and what it means to the leak case. It compares this Administration’s assertion of the Unitary Executive to Robespierre’s use of it during the French Revolution.

flying is the lab where they push the latest facisms & idiocies on us rats to see what we’ll take.

curious in central Texas

Thanks for info. The message hasn’t turned up yet, and hotmail can be very slow, in my experience. It is really late here, so I may not see it this eve. But, I will keep checking.

If, as McClellan contends, the selective leaks by the administration were made with the public’s interest im mind, they should be willing to provide a list of each and every instance when that’s been done. As well, they should be prepared to cite the specific misinformation the leaks were meant to correct.

Of course, the lying weasels won’t be able or willing to do it. But the White House press corps(e), or the fighting giants of the democratic party, should continue to insist it be done.

I

Nobody is under any obligation to cover anyone’s pet issue. There are many fine sites in the blogosphere to choose from, 28 million I believe. Feel free to go find one that tells you want you want to hear.

And, BTW there have been links posted by FDL commenters to the AT&T story, so J*J* your sentiments are not appreciated. Thanks, Jane. You are the best in the 28 million.

Sorry, on topic.. ;-) but it’s pretty clear who’s after the cocktail weenies here. Not only did the WaPo enlist Libby’s lawyer to write the opening graf, it would seem they let him write the headline, too.

Well put Jane - as always!

Thanks, Jane —

FDL is the best, most often refreshed site in my little computer screen world.

thanks again . . .

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Of course, this being a Friday night and all, I’ve just returned home from a fabulous night out slumming at my favorite art galleries . . .

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And a lawyer for AT&T sought to prevent the documents being filed with the court, even under seal, in the following April 4 letter:

I am writing to you about the three “AT&T Documents†described in paragraphs 7 through 22 of Lee Tien’s declaration filed March 31, 2006 (Dkt. 22).
The three AT&T Documents have been furnished to engineers at AT&T. I am informed that these documents relate to the technical structure of AT&T telephone networks and are extremely sensitive in nature—for reasons having nothing to do with the subject matter of this case. Were they or any one of them to fall into the wrong hands, they could be used to “hack†into the AT&T network, compromising its integrity.

. . . we ask that:
• You not file these documents, even under seal pursuant to Civil L.R. 79-5(d),
without prior leave of court.
• You provide us with a log detailing exactly who has seen or been given access to, or copies of, these documents.
• You return all copies of these documents to AT&T and refrain from using them, pending a judicial determination as to whether you have the right to possess them, obtain them through normal discovery and/or use them in litigation.
• You identify the former AT&T employee and his/her counsel to us so that we may seek the return of the documents from them and ensure that they will not disseminate the documents any further than they already have.

http://www.eff.org/legal/cases.....Letter.pdf

And then the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s lawyer replied to AT&T’s lawyer thusly:

We remain willing to work with you to ensure that AT&T’s legitimate concerns are addressed. However, we must reject your demand that we seek prior court approval before lodging documents under seal that are key to our motion for preliminary injunction, and must defer your other demands pending court consideration. Our case alleges that every day AT&T is violating the law and privacy of millions of AT&T customers, and those who communicate with them, by diverting their communications to the government. These allegations are critical to the public interest and are supported by the documents. We must take appropriate steps to stop what we believe is a gross violation of law as soon as possible and those steps must include presenting our evidence to the court.

http://www.eff.org/legal/cases.....Letter.pdf

So it seems that EFF has got its hands on some pretty incriminating documents, which it contends demonstrate how AT&T opens up its datastream to the NSA to faciliate the government wiretapping us.

Fascinating.

Jane, did you see that Wolcott gives FDL props for the David Neiwert post? He also takes several shots at the anti-immigration flag wavers.

Yesterday, Fox News, playing catch-up on the issue CNN’s Lou Dobbs has owned for the last few years, solicited the wise-owl perspective of G. Gordon Liddy. Because when there’s a sensitive, nuanced issue on the table, Liddy’s the guy you bring in to set it aflame.

http://jameswolcott.com/archiv.....rs_and.php

Sorry, OT. Does anyone know if the video of the Rubber Stamps (from April 4th) was ever posted? Did I miss it–or hasn’t it appeared yet? I have been looking for a link to it every day since.

JoJo - It would appear that some here are willing to begin adiscussion wrt the EFF stuff. Or is your demand that Jane write a new post and put it up immediately?

OT - Just saw this over in FReeperland from an RNC “Fact” Sheet..

FACT: Valerie Plame’s Name Does Not Even Appear In The Declassified NIE [link]

“After Libby’s Bombshell: The White House Plays Defense”
http://www.time.com/time/natio.....10,00.html
Nothing new but, TIME’s Mike Allen could not find one Republican member of Congress to give him a quote. It’s all Democrats except for Snottie McMuffin’s Press Bluffing and the RNC confirming that Bush and Cheney leaked NIE estimates, but not Plame’s name.

jojo,

Big Bother! Reading the link now.

I hope OedipWs Leaker’s dreams are disturbed this weekend.

jojo, why don’t you do some heavy lifting yourself instead of demanding that others do so?

Prof 40

I am writing to you about the three “AT&T Documents†described in paragraphs 7 through 22 of Lee Tien’s declaration filed March 31, 2006 (Dkt. 22).

woah….I believe this fellow is a client of mine. wonder how many of my calls have been lsitened to.

All of them, punaise, if the EFF attorneys are to be believed. (And I see no reason to doubt them.)

punaise, I think you and the rest of us are all on speaker-phone tonight!

Prof says: April 7th, 2006 at 10:56 pm

jojo, why don’t you do some heavy lifting yourself instead of demanding that others do so?

Exactly! This has a certain “je ne sais quoi” smell of a previous attack mode troll. You started out by insulting the FDL community by implying that we don’t care about the story, and, had you been reading you would have seen otherwise, and then went on to insult Jane. This not a productive way to get your message out.

Jeez…for the days that the WaPo actually hired reporters of Strobel’s caliber.

I don’t know nuttin’ about nuttin’.
criminy, this is bad s**t.

hey Big Bro - better kick it upstairs to the new thread - nothing to see here, move along folks

dana 47

punaise, I think you and the rest of us are all on speaker-phone tonight!

f**k it. get me Chief on the shoe phone.

Well, jojo is obviously outa here, which is just as well. I’ll join y’all upstairs and then head to bed.

I like to check out E&P. OT, but not, re: WaPooo http://www.editorandpublisher......1002314133
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‘WaPo’ Reporters May Boycott Radio Venture Unless They Are Paid
[]A spokesperson for the paper told Jaffe that there is no hard-and-fast policy about whether employees receive money for radio appearances, but that the compensation would depend on the “level of individual involvement by the Wahington Post journalist.”====

HAHA- “level of individual involvement” in… exactly what? BTW, Rick Weiss mentioned in the article is a science writer for WaPo, husband of Natalie Angier, NYT Pulitzer winning science writer. I’d have to conclude that excelling science writing is not highly valued at WaPo.
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Who do these idiots in the media think they are f-ning kidding? It’s damn hard to find anyone at all that doesn’t understand the implications of Bush authorizing Libby’s leak. Outside of the right wing machine and their immediate families, there are literally no people who do not understand what is going on.

Given this, why bother with the obfuscation? What the hell does the Post think it’s doing? Brit Hume’s delusional take down of the ticker title shows just how out of touch the cocktail weenie crowd is with America. Do the cokehead producers at Fox even in their wildest delusions imagine that the current Orwelien pipe dream extends beyond the walls of their own offices?

Honestly, Bagdad Bob is looking like a pro compared to the desperate amateur hour on display at the Post and at Fox.

Do they not think that after the president goes down later this year that the angry backlash won’t be focused laser like on the media enablers? Does Woodward really think because he and the Bushes are in the same social club that the rest of the world is going to give him a pass for trying to paper over this generations most obvious political scandal? Club loyalty is only as good as the credibility that extends beyond it, and Bush Jr. is burning more and more of that just to keep treading water. Who will ever take Woodward seriously again? Who will ever take anyone in the social club seriously again? Thousands of lives spent establishing a reputation only to burn it away to keep Dick Cheney’s smugness intact? Is that what you all signed up for?

Wake up and smell the coffee people. The scandals are plentiful and nearly bottomless at this point. It’s low hanging fruit. Really. How do the editors of the Post look themselves in the eye in the morning and print garbage like the above Vandehei article. How do the club members imagine the bill will ever be paid, even to them?

Note to the Punditocracy: YOU LOST. Libby’s filing clearly shows the hand of conspiracy at work. Pack up the ball and go home before you cause yourselves permanent damage. Unlike your media, the internet has a memory and the more you try to cover-up the more damning will be your condemnation when the house implodes. You can’t hide your mistakes behind a wall of denial and delusion any longer. The experiment in Monarchy has failed. By continuing beyond this point, you are forcing the collective, as digby coined it “to stake you once and for all”.

Today on Nettertainment a lot of questions about unencumbered Presidential authority, Leaktaker.

The Washington Post published a fluff piece on Dobson that Ben Domenech wrote as a freelance writer… at the age of 16!!

I went looking for it after reading a user’s comment on The Post’s blog:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com.....l#comments

After a bit of Google work, turns out that this was already mentioned in some comments at DailyKos.

But I think it deserves a bit more attention because it raises so many questions about cronyism among the cocktail weenie set in D.C. and about editorial integrity at the Post.

The Washington Post

April 19, 1998, Sunday, Final Edition

SECTION: OUTLOOK; Pg. C02

LENGTH: 1225 words

HEADLINE: Dobson’s Choice; Why the Conservative Outsider’s Agenda Worries GOP Leaders

BYLINE: Benjamin Domenech

BODY:
There is an emerging force within the Republican Party, a man who, as he attempts to alter the party’s entire focus, has managed to escape the attention of many inside the Beltway. His strength is drawn from social conservative activists. His cause is abortion. And his words these days — about unkept promises — are making Republican leaders in Congress extremely nervous.

The man is James Dobson.

(…)

Benjamin Domenech is a freelance writer whose work has appeared in the American Conservative and Human Events.

Open Letter to the Editors of the Washington Post –

Who better than the once fiercely honorable, now sadly neutered Washington Post to lick the fingers and the posteriors of the Bush Administration and its criminally indicted minions?

Disclosures Are Called Unrelated To Plame Case
Libby’s Lawyer Rebuts Special Prosecutor’s Filing
By R. Jeffrey Smith and Jim VandeHei

“The revelation of former White House official I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s involvement in authorized disclosures of sensitive intelligence information does not undermine Libby’s contention that he innocently forgot about conversations he may have had with reporters regarding covert CIA operative Valerie Plame, Libby’s attorney said yesterday.”

Where once there were watchdogs, now there are lapdogs.


its a whole new eco-system out here firedoglake/huff/sharkforum.org…as things right themselves, lets be sure to remember how and why our foes have fallen and are continuing to do so and keep in mind, The Great White Shark does not hunt the guppy, nor does it stalk the minnow.

Actually, today’s Wapo story advanced the ball a bit. Buried deep in the story is this new snippet:

Libby also leaked information from the National Intelligence Estimate to Bob Woodward of The Washington Post prior to the date that the White House said it was officially declassified. In sworn testimony, Woodward told Fitzgerald that on June 27, 2003 — 11 days before the Libby-Miller conversation — Libby told him about the CIA estimate and an Iraqi effort to obtain “yellowcake” uranium in Africa, according to a statement Woodward released on Nov. 14, 2005.

In an interview, Woodward said his notes, which were not released publicly but were shown to Fitzgerald, included Libby using the word “vigorous” to describe the Iraqi effort. Libby used similar language when he provided the NIE information Bush declassified to Miller at their July 8, 2003, meeting, according to Fitzgerald’s filing.

The precise status of the information at the time Libby provided it to Woodward is unclear because of conflicting accounts of the declassification process provided by Libby and McClellan. Fitzgerald’s court filing does not provide the date when Bush and Cheney — who have both been interviewed by the special prosecutor — said they authorized Libby’s disclosures.

WH seems to be saying that that they “pre-disclosed” the info to NYT because it was going to be officially declassified a week later anyway. Now, this puts the leak about 20 days before the July 18 official declassification date.

Also, what is interesting to me that they selected Woodward and Miller to leak this.
But anyone with street sense could have told them that those two wouldn’t or couldn’t publish those stories. Woodward would have - and has - kept it for his book and by that time, Miller was asked to “stand in the corner”
by NYT editors because of her WMD reporting and at least some NYT editors were questioning themselves. So WH had to go to the B-team guy Novak, who was ready and willing to oblige.

this is the very problem boys and girls, all corporate media has to do is “poo poo” any concerns.

bing

joe public thinks it’s a nothing.

the media, the marketing, the presentation, these are the deficits of the democratic party

It’s sometimes tough being an average Joe (or Fran)reading your stuff Jane.I’m a Democrat and Liberal and Veteran but half the time I don’t know what
the hell your talking about.Like “Strobel and the wapo have danced before.” I guess wapo stands for the Washington Post
I’m sure your legion of fans think this is kind of talk is cute but it’s one of the reasons that Dubya has connected for so long.
I’m not asking you to dumbdown but just give
plain English~

wrong question.

the question to ask isn’t

who gets the cocktail weenies?

but

who is a cocktail weenie of a reporter?

i have two nominees in mind

j. vanderhei

and

j.smith.

p.s.

on not being able to post–

i notice that when i type a comment at fdl it often takes a looooong, looooong time for the letters i have just typed to appear within the writing “box” on fdl.

this does not happen at any other site.

is it possible for a poster who sees a blank “box” after hitting” post”

that his comment is on the way but taking a looong time to show up at the bottom of the comments page?

What a fucking surprise.

The waWhorePo defends the jackals.

Cocktail weenies? More like lapdog food……