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		<title>By: dilireus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-61052</link>
		<dc:creator>dilireus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Grrr…my bad.  Somehow my browser flipped out on me while I was cutting and pasting and I ended up putting this under the wrong post.  Ctrl-Shift-Right Arrow doesn’t do what it normally does when editing here.  My apologies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grrr…my bad.  Somehow my browser flipped out on me while I was cutting and pasting and I ended up putting this under the wrong post.  Ctrl-Shift-Right Arrow doesn’t do what it normally does when editing here.  My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: dilireus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-61046</link>
		<dc:creator>dilireus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know I’m late to the party here, but I have to comment.  This article implies that anyone who looks at porn is a child molester and cannot be trusted with state secrets.  This is just insane.  Are you next going to suggest that someone who has consensual sex with another adult out of wedlock is a child molester and shouldn’t be given positions in government?  I hate Bushco as much as anyone, but use some common sense, please.  Don’t use some weak argument like that.  Does anyone know if Time even had an internet porn policy at the time he was caught?  It took many companies a long time to establish policies about online porn after internet access from the workplace became common.  If Time did have a policy against it when he got caught, the most you can say is that the guy broke company policy.  Unless he got caught looking at child porn, you certainly couldn’t conclude from that incident that he was a pedophile.  Sure it was stupid because it was at work, but when did viewing porn become a crime in this country?  That being said, I hope Brian Doyle gets put away for a while.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I’m late to the party here, but I have to comment.  This article implies that anyone who looks at porn is a child molester and cannot be trusted with state secrets.  This is just insane.  Are you next going to suggest that someone who has consensual sex with another adult out of wedlock is a child molester and shouldn’t be given positions in government?  I hate Bushco as much as anyone, but use some common sense, please.  Don’t use some weak argument like that.  Does anyone know if Time even had an internet porn policy at the time he was caught?  It took many companies a long time to establish policies about online porn after internet access from the workplace became common.  If Time did have a policy against it when he got caught, the most you can say is that the guy broke company policy.  Unless he got caught looking at child porn, you certainly couldn’t conclude from that incident that he was a pedophile.  Sure it was stupid because it was at work, but when did viewing porn become a crime in this country?  That being said, I hope Brian Doyle gets put away for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: RossK</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-60382</link>
		<dc:creator>RossK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lhp–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(100% rugby digression - sorry all)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My playing days ended a long time ago.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My Dad, though, just finally stopped - he’s one of those really, really old boy boys.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;James Bay was the club - Victoria BC, and there we  didn’t have to stop between fall and spring (just played right through the rainy season).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey - here’s a weird thought - When he wasn’t busy punching opposing players at Yale wonder if Lancelot Link spent the rest of his time whining about the knock-on rule. After all, seems to me he’s been a working the knock-on pretty much his entire life (and that includes his Leaker-In-Chief shennanigans).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lhp–</p>
<p>(100% rugby digression &#8211; sorry all)</p>
<p>My playing days ended a long time ago.</p>
<p>My Dad, though, just finally stopped &#8211; he’s one of those really, really old boy boys.</p>
<p>James Bay was the club &#8211; Victoria BC, and there we  didn’t have to stop between fall and spring (just played right through the rainy season).</p>
<p>Hey &#8211; here’s a weird thought &#8211; When he wasn’t busy punching opposing players at Yale wonder if Lancelot Link spent the rest of his time whining about the knock-on rule. After all, seems to me he’s been a working the knock-on pretty much his entire life (and that includes his Leaker-In-Chief shennanigans).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-60356</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While some legal experts say the President has the authority to declassify information at will, that doesn’t mean Bush actually declassified the information. For reasons of his own (say, to smear someone without leaving his fingerprints on the smear), Bush may have kept the information classified, but commanded that it be leaked. The apparent fact stated in Jane’s post that it was classified afterwards suggests this is what happened. That would make the disclosure illegal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wrote about it here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://backseatdriving.blogspot.com/2006/04/declassifying-versus-leaking-depends.html&quot;&gt;http://backseatdriving.blogspo.....pends.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While some legal experts say the President has the authority to declassify information at will, that doesn’t mean Bush actually declassified the information. For reasons of his own (say, to smear someone without leaving his fingerprints on the smear), Bush may have kept the information classified, but commanded that it be leaked. The apparent fact stated in Jane’s post that it was classified afterwards suggests this is what happened. That would make the disclosure illegal.</p>
<p>I wrote about it here: <a href="http://backseatdriving.blogspot.com/2006/04/declassifying-versus-leaking-depends.html">http://backseatdriving.blogspo&#8230;..pends.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: shargash</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-60352</link>
		<dc:creator>shargash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As one commenter over at The American Prospect said today, “Using legitimate presidential powers (declassification) for illegitimate purposes (to make a political attack) is the very definition of &lt;b&gt;abuse of power&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey, that was me. I said that here somewhere too, before I posted it over there. :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As one commenter over at The American Prospect said today, “Using legitimate presidential powers (declassification) for illegitimate purposes (to make a political attack) is the very definition of <b>abuse of power</b>.</p>
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<p>Hey, that was me. I said that here somewhere too, before I posted it over there. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-60350</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;rubber hose (165) — which takes us to the (180) question…is that (180) days from the date Bush may have orally declassified something, or (180) days after they made it formal with the EO Amendment?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looking more carefully at the EOA, the term calling out the 180 days is actually in Sec. 6.3, the very last paragraph immediately before Bush’s signature (he can’t say he didn’t see this):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Sec. 6.3. Effective Date. This order is effective immediately, except for section 1.6, which shall become effective 180 days from the date of this order.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe there’s something else buried in Sec. 1.6 besides the marking of materials as “declassified”…but the 180 days must be key, regardless of the issue being addressed in Sec. 1.6.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reading more closely, Bush also wrote his own permission slip with this EOA, noting Sec. 6.1, (l)(3), which basically says he is authorized to declassify anything:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt; (l) “Declassification authority” means:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;      (1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;      (2) the originators current successor in function;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;      (3) &lt;b&gt;a supervisory official of either;&lt;/b&gt; or&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;      (4) officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the agency head or the senior agency official.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m wondering if there was anything from Tenet or other official that qualified Sec. 6.1 (l)(4); did someone indicate in an email or handwritten note that certain information “would be worth sharing”…?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Might explain why there is no denial from the White House; Bush wrote his own permission slip, and he “understood” the information to be available for declassification.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And they truly thought this would all go away inside (180) days, too…?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rubber hose (165) — which takes us to the (180) question…is that (180) days from the date Bush may have orally declassified something, or (180) days after they made it formal with the EO Amendment?</p>
<p>Looking more carefully at the EOA, the term calling out the 180 days is actually in Sec. 6.3, the very last paragraph immediately before Bush’s signature (he can’t say he didn’t see this):</p>
<p><i>Sec. 6.3. Effective Date. This order is effective immediately, except for section 1.6, which shall become effective 180 days from the date of this order.</i></p>
<p>Maybe there’s something else buried in Sec. 1.6 besides the marking of materials as “declassified”…but the 180 days must be key, regardless of the issue being addressed in Sec. 1.6.  </p>
<p>Reading more closely, Bush also wrote his own permission slip with this EOA, noting Sec. 6.1, (l)(3), which basically says he is authorized to declassify anything:</p>
<p><i> (l) “Declassification authority” means:</i></p>
<p>      (1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position;</p>
<p>      (2) the originators current successor in function;</p>
<p>      (3) <b>a supervisory official of either;</b> or</p>
<p>      (4) officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the agency head or the senior agency official.</p>
<p>I’m wondering if there was anything from Tenet or other official that qualified Sec. 6.1 (l)(4); did someone indicate in an email or handwritten note that certain information “would be worth sharing”…?</p>
<p>Might explain why there is no denial from the White House; Bush wrote his own permission slip, and he “understood” the information to be available for declassification.</p>
<p>And they truly thought this would all go away inside (180) days, too…?</p>
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		<title>By: rubber hose</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-60245</link>
		<dc:creator>rubber hose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;oral law…&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…what interests me is the idea that the president might have declassified something orally instead of issuing a written executive order……&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>oral law…</strong></p>
<p>…what interests me is the idea that the president might have declassified something orally instead of issuing a written executive order……</p>
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		<title>By: DrBB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-60016</link>
		<dc:creator>DrBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 03:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;No, well, we always want to share facts with the American people.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dear god. Well, I guess you have to parse it carefully, like everything else that comes out of these peoples’ faces. They &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to share facts, but they’re just abysmally, tragically bad at it. Right from their desperate desire to share the minutes of Cheney’s energy policy meetings right down to the present. God how they &lt;i&gt;wanted&lt;/i&gt; to share all that stuff with us. Who knew that fighting tooth and nail through the federal courtts to avoid having to disclose it would result in the utterly unexpected outcome of it ending up not getting disclosed? Baffling. And that’s just one example of the myriad instances where they did everything they could to hide information and then, damned if the dratted stuff never got public no matter how much they  &lt;i&gt;wanted&lt;/i&gt; it to. It’s just wierd how that happens. Gotta chalk it up to bad luck or karma or something.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, well, we always want to share facts with the American people.</i></p>
<p>Dear god. Well, I guess you have to parse it carefully, like everything else that comes out of these peoples’ faces. They <i>want</i> to share facts, but they’re just abysmally, tragically bad at it. Right from their desperate desire to share the minutes of Cheney’s energy policy meetings right down to the present. God how they <i>wanted</i> to share all that stuff with us. Who knew that fighting tooth and nail through the federal courtts to avoid having to disclose it would result in the utterly unexpected outcome of it ending up not getting disclosed? Baffling. And that’s just one example of the myriad instances where they did everything they could to hide information and then, damned if the dratted stuff never got public no matter how much they  <i>wanted</i> it to. It’s just wierd how that happens. Gotta chalk it up to bad luck or karma or something.</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-60011</link>
		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 03:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;loosey goosey mcain is a pain the ass and in my state at a rnc fundraiser right– could not get in; duh. he is barf. maverick, my ass.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>loosey goosey mcain is a pain the ass and in my state at a rnc fundraiser right– could not get in; duh. he is barf. maverick, my ass.</p>
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		<title>By: jayackroyd</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/wheres-the-stamp/#comment-59994</link>
		<dc:creator>jayackroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 03:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I saw the bit of the presser that focused on this issue, and, at the end, I was yelling at the television: “Who decides what the ‘public interest’ is?  Is it solely up to the president to decide this?  Why doesn’t anybody ask this question?” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They’ll have another chance, of course. Anyone with an inside line to David Gregory, please pass this along.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the bit of the presser that focused on this issue, and, at the end, I was yelling at the television: “Who decides what the ‘public interest’ is?  Is it solely up to the president to decide this?  Why doesn’t anybody ask this question?” </p>
<p>They’ll have another chance, of course. Anyone with an inside line to David Gregory, please pass this along.</p>
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