
(Tonight's guest poster is Steve Gilliard of The News Blog)
If you've ever wondered why the right seems to trade in race online, the answer is very simple: it works.
In an era where Barry Bonds gets letters which start "Dear Nigger" one should not be surprised by this. But it isn't that simple. The fact is that they only say what liberals refuse to admit they think. Cynthia McKinney was violently denounced for a conflict, not her first, with the Capitol police, by liberals. Now McKinney isn't an easy person to deal with by any means, but she was vilified, called an embarrassment, for a simple conflict with the Capitol Police. It may die with a DC Grand Jury but liberals have no reason to be proud of themselves over this. Silence would have worked well. But people are unnerved when the police are challenged.
The right isn't stupid. They know these issues transcend politics. It was liberals who supported Rudy Giuliani until it was clear he was wiping his ass with the Constitution and who attacked the NYC Transit Workers as idiots who made too much money. When they realized that the "idiots" make their jobs a lot easier, they looked stupid. When it was over, a lot of liberals realized they had bought into stereotypes about race and work and were not a little ashamed.
And this works with people who are trying to not be racist.
With any issue, the right leaps into the fray with the worst sort of stereotypes and ideas about minorities. The racism flowed during Katrina, it's around again over immigration and again, liberals bite into the need to "control" immigration. Why? Because the right touches these issues which frame how people think about them. Both liberals and conservatives were shocked when Hispanics flooded the streets in numbers not seen since the 1960's and Monday may have been the largest protests to date. Because there was a lot of soul searching on how to deal with the issue. Until the GOP made it about race. Some people still want to see this as a work issue, but the rantings of Tancredo and Sensenbrenner, as well as the protests, made this about how Hispanics fit into America. Even though there are 600,000 illegals from the EU.
If these themes work on liberals, who oppose them, they have the power to fuel the right, or did.
But here's the problem: there is a fork in the road and the online right represents the past. The world of blowhard rightists with their hostile racist language is not the language of the future, but the past. Part of the reason that the immigration debate is so potent is the fact that whites will be a minority in the US before the end of the century. In that environment, the language of fear and exclusion is a death sentence. But at the same time, a powerful pull for the GOP base and their online supporters.
A study, which scared the shit out of the GOP, showed what everyone knows: not every Republican is a racist, but racists join the GOP in overwhelming numbers.
A quick tour of the right sees nefarious links between themes used by conservatives and themes used by white supremacists.
The most common? Idolatry of the Confederacy, from admiring Jeff Davis to talking to Southern Partisan. It can be hidden as historical interest, but usually it goes beyond that rather quickly into wingnuttia like "slavery wasn't the cause of the Civil War."
The right blogosphere divided into two parts: the GOP-centric sites like Red State and the hard right like LGF. Anyone can rant on LGF and pretty much be ignored, but Red State -- which had fairly close ties to the GOP -- was gobsmacked when their racism was revealed. Because LGF isn't serious -- offensive, but not serious. RS was, and thus, the effects of being confronted with their racial attitudes hurt them seriously.
The GOP needs to create a new image both on and offline. One far more friendly to minorities.
The problem is that they don't know how to.
The black conservatives online range from the ridiculous to the regrettable. They don't have the ability to convince people that conservatism can work for minorities. Instead, they alter between targets and objects of pity. In a now infamous interview, Mychal Massie, an official with Project 21, a group of black conservatives, was quoted as saying slavery was good for blacks.
Part of the reason the right blogosphere has been losing interest and readers over the last few months is that they are representing ideology which is not working for people. The left blogosphere has broken the code the right has used in public and it is no longer effective. From Josh Marshall's work on Trent Lott to finding the links between racism and slandering the Kings as communist -- all old code once restricted to Johnny Rebel records and Stormfront but which now appear on the right blogs. Part of this is the intimacy of the online world, part due to a lack of understanding about using the code.
Discussing this here this week has been about the past, what has happened.
We need to look at the future.
The first thing is that liberals have to be far more aware of the coded language.
And then they have to pounce on it. They can't shy away; if they think something is racist, it probably is. Don't let the issue slide or back away because of discomfort.
The second is that they have to define this as language of the past, attitudes of the past. As a forward looking people, racism should be defined as part of a painful past and the people who hold on to it have no interest in the future of America, a multicultural future where everyone is included and respected. This has always been the case. I bet you didn't know that during the settling of the West, that one-third of cowboys were black, one-third were Mexican vaqueros and immigrants. Only one-third was the image Hollywood projected. Hungarian and German were spoken on Civil War battlefields. German was common in Revolutionary America and Spanish has been spoken here before the Mayflower landed
The right is looking towards a fantasy past which never existed and for good reason.
Third, liberals can not be baited into falling into the assumptions of the right which are used to trigger our learned racist responses. We have to think hard about how we respond to any issue, especially those where race may be an issue. If the right is using insulting, demeaning language, it's a good sign that you should take a different tact.
But keep in mind, the right is obsessed with the past and recreating it. We are concerned about building a better future for all Americans.
Previous posts in the series:
Educating Wolfie by Pam Spaulding
Right Wing Racism: Steve Sailer by Armando
Let’s Go Real Far Right… by Matt Stoller
Tramsmitting Extremism by David Neiwert
Matt O. over at The Great Society has been compiling racist quotes from right-wing websites. It is quite a resource.
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Steve, do you have some statistics on the online right losing steam? That would be heartening to know for certain.
Steve, thanks for contributing. Nice post.
Steve, e.g., traffic stats for rightist blogs?
Prof, thanks.. I’ve been curious about the same thing. I believe WhiteSheets saw an uptick when Jane wrote about them, btw.
Bravo and good night
excellent, thank you
good post , Steve, thanks.
The world of blowhard rightists with their hostile racist language is not the language of the future, but the past. Part of the reason that the immigration debate is so potent is the fact that whites will be a minority in the US before the end of the century. In that environment, the language of fear and exclusion is a death sentence.
a death sentence with many appeals….to the racist bigots.
I’m not sure it’s wise to be sanguine about the demise of these creatures. They may be on the long, slope downslope (this week’s muck raking by others braver than I notwithstanding), but they won’t go down without a struggle.
By the way, if anyone wants to look at comments on the AT&T pipeline to NSA issue, there’s a post over at AmericaBlog, http://americablog.blogspot.co.....-all.html, with 130 comments.
I’ve been avoiding AmericaBlog since Aravosis jumped the shark re McKinney.
Thanks Steve. Good to see you back at FDL.
Your “Project 21″ rang some bells (not good ones). I first read about Project 21 when I followed up on info provided by Jane in an earlier FDL article about Amy Ridenhour. Can’t find the link to Jane’s article just now.
Project 21 is supported by the Abramoff related (Ridenour & Ridenour) organization National Center for Public Policy Research http://www.nationalcenter.org/NCPPRHist.html
Links to Project 21: http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21Index.html
Pam Spalding, who had a late night FDL in this series of “right wing deconstruction” has an article about Project 21: http://www.pamspaulding.com/we.....mping.html
It’s not easy reading and I hope that by posting it I have not given offense.
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Oops, I meant to say Your “Project 21″ reference.
Good Post but I would like to add a cross-view of it that needs to be seen as well….Class.
By this I mean economic class. To those that would say that America is a classless society I would say BS. To those that would say that there is no impediments to anyone changing class in the US I would again say 99 and 44/100% BS
Unfortunately this is not a subject that is widely discussd or even consciously percieved in the US. That is a problem IMO because when the US starts sliding faster into economic chaos there will be no public clarity about who are the perpetrators and who are the victims. This is another issue that the MSM has lied to us about.
I keep reading post after post on this website about how the Dems seem to be sitting on their hands about the current situation. Occasionally someone will note how they might be beholding to their corporate sponsors but it is never focused on or brought to the forefront of the conversation. Why not?
At what point are we going to start asking, what are the real reasons that we make tons of disposable consumeable crap that adds little value to life outside of trying to keep up with the next guy. Why have we bought into that meme? Is this moral? Do we have the right as Americans to waste the worlds resources for our Jonesin. Is that why we spend so much on “defense”…so we can intimidate the rest of the world into “selling” us their natural and human resources cheaply to feed our immoral consumerism.
Sorry for the ramble but these are issues that I think should be integrated into all the discussion on forward thinking sites, such as FDL
Keep the passion up, PLEASE, but occasionally step back and talk about the economic drivers that are in many cases more important than the scandal of the day. If we don’t I fear that when we are faced with scarcity we are going to fight each other over the scraps and not focus our anger on the folks that “trained” us to live like this. We do have the ability to return to a simpler, more meaningful life…throw off those chains.
Thanks so much, Steve, great post. Your exploration of the GOP’s need to keep its online image racist-free is very interesting. I used to think right wing bloggers had no commenters because they were top-down and didn’t like their audience speaking back to them, but having spent more time than I want to over at right wing blogs who do allow comments I think it has just as much to do with the fact that this is their audience and they don’t want to be answerable for them. They can freely engage in dog-whistle language without being responsible for the dogs that show up on their doorsteps.
Great Post Steve
I am worried in Phoenix ….Mondays march they are predicting over 100,000
The last march offical total was 20,000 but others say that there were up to 30,000.
The city & state have issued road closures and freeway diversions. Many suspect that since so many of the exits will be blocked that protestors will not be able to join the march and supress the numbers. Radio & TV are requesting the High School kids to join after school.
The other issue is Sheriff Joe (the slime ball, costs the county millions in law suits) He is wacky enough to have tanks out there and we can see something along the line of Tiananmen Square. He is a media hound and will do anything to be in front of a camera.
The last march scared them so much when so many “brown” people showed up. There is a State Rep who has been advocating that the city should of arrested them all the last time. Then add the minutemen who are on the boarder…..State Leg just passed a bill to make undocumented aliens felons and knowing the Senate it wll sail right through. They do it to hang stuff like that on our Democratic Governor.
The estimated numbers of undocumented workers in Phoenix area is anywhere from 500,000 to 1 million. I find it so interesting… they want the brown people deported but who will do their lawns? Who will keep all those golf courses going? Gee who will make sure all that kitchen work is done at their favorite eatery?
I sure do not think they will pay real living wage!
Hi Jane, just wondering- can you see my comment #11? It turned up as:
Valley Girl says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
April 7th, 2006 at 11:37 pm
Yep, it’s there, VG. And I was thinking the same thing, Amy Ridenour. What a piece of work she is.
Well, I guess that problem was fixed. Thanks, Jane.
Jane, ahhh. Amy Ridenour. That was quite an educational post from you. I know you have to do other things, like get some sleep, but saving that, do you have a link to that Amy Ridenour article you wrote? I do remember it, and especially the graphic, on the meme of right wing extremist women ugly inside and out… ya’ know..
What I don’t understand is why the rightwingers feel so free to express racist thoughts now. I mean, I’ve been online in mixed conservative/liberal/libertarian groups since about 1999, and before 9/11 they didn’t feel nearly so free. Did that somehow give them license to let it all hang out? Or was I just not blog savvy back then (or both)?
One thing that might help dealing with the right language is a “Code Word” Dictionary. When a specific word is in a speech, post or article and it has no reference to me or my life, I just let it go but later find it had meaning. Like the Dred Scott or someother word that tells a volumes.
When Bush said Dred Scott in one of his speeches it was ….. What was that all about….. Thank God for the internet…. but I am sure that his wingnut audience knew right away what he was saying.
If we knew what the words were and their meaning then we can develop strategy on how to address the issue and reframe it.
Thanks again, Steve!
You know, even though there is a lot of hate spewed out from the right against people of other races (the “other” thing), the right is very much into dissing people from within their racial and belief communities who fail to meet their standards.
I was linked to this site in 2004 by a Jewish friend interested in performing some of my music:
http://masada2000.org/shit-list.html
She’s on the list. If you go to the page, you can choose a letter in the alphabet and find thousands of Jewish intellectuals, academicians and artists. The scatalogical terminology used to describe these prominent Americans is horrible, and in many cases libelous. If you read a few entries, you’ll see that these people are coming from some strange space way out in right field.
Oh, I forgot - “When you come to the fork in the road, take it” - Yoda Yogi Berra
katymine says: One thing that might help dealing with the right language is a “Code Word†Dictionary.
That is a really interesting idea!!! I don’t remember the details, but someone here at FDL said that LGF has some kind of comment replacement (?), where stuff like “raghead” is replaced by “Arab”. I didn’t check this out, so it may be apocryphal… but I wouldn’t put it past ‘em. Maybe there already is a reverse “code word” dictionary/ glossary online. I’ll check it out. And if not, there surely should be one. (That is, assuming it will not be useful to the extremists in learning new ways to code things.)
VG: It’s here
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....e-locusts/
The search function here on WordPress is amazing, it’s over in the left sidebar. Much better than the old blogger one.
Re Steve: “The first thing is that liberals have to be far more aware of the coded language
And then they have to pounce on it. They can’t shy away, If they think something is racist, it probably is. Don’t let the issue slide or back away because of discomfort.
The second is that they have to define this as language of the past, attitudes of the past. As a forward looking people, racism should be defined as part of a painful past and the people who hold on to it have no interest in the future of America, a multicultural future where everyone is included and respected.”
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Recognizing modern incarnations of racism and bigotry is one thing, how to best respond to it is another. The ongoing series of threads on this subject have shown me that recognizing examples of it can be the most difficult part. Various contributors here have brought into focus important examples in a way that reminds me of those pictures that look like gray static until your brain finds the order within and a T. Rex suddenly leaps out in 3-D.
Regarding how to best respond to it, I think there are more than one effective ways. I imagine that as heterogenous as people are, there are various ways to respond that affect different people for a similar outcome . Pouncing is generally best when you have an isolated event. However, repeated ‘pouncing’ perhaps can have an undesired effect, especially if such a response has to be repeated many, many times. A wingnut on a diverse forum where I post has a favorite comeback phrase “You become what you despise.” When one wishes to help otherwise good people caught up in the fray gain insight into their unwitting collusion, repeatedly pouncing or acting angrily can be experienced by those who you attempt to persuade as symptomatic of the kind of behavior you decry. But pouncing definitely has its merits.
When I come across a matter that I suspect is generally out of people’s awareness of themselves, I attempt to draw together glaring examples from the past with examples in the present in an emotionally even way, and I let them dwell on it. The power is not in the pouncing, but in the persistence. People tend to own things they figure out themselves and resist things pounded into them. You just have to be comitted for the long haul and repeat the pairing of examples over and over. Most people will eventually be able to see the positive 3-D meaning, and once they do, it’s a newly acquired tool that is usually permanent.
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Thanks Jane!!! and BTW, for the rest of you who may or may not be skimming comments, the link Jane gave is to an earlier article re: Amy Ridenour, ugly inside and out, rightwing extremist funder of lots of bad stuff, including “Project 21″ (mentioned in Steve’s article), as I discovered. http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....e-locusts/
VG, if you have ever been caught talking to a winger and they are using code words, I have ended up in some pit in the discussion because I was clueless. Being armed with the right tools is alway best.
There is a post in dKos on topic at:
The link between Anti-Immigrant groups and White Supremacists
Very interesting post.
BTW I am having FDL comments act weird. Wrote one post and just about ready to save and it went poof…
An interesting interview a friend just turned me onto. WNYC’s Gilbert Kaplan interviews Condaleeza Rice about music and her pianistic aspirations when younger. Its quite good. You can go to the link and further link to the audio of the program or just scroll and read:
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/mam/episodes/2005/01/02
I caught her on one element upon which few would agree. She says “Brahms someone once described to me as passionate without being sentimental..” I suppose that’s probably true, but in 1879, Tchaikovsky (who she conveniently disses - probably too gay) described Brahms to Madame Von Meck as “intelligent, overwrought sentimentality, but no fire!”
it would really be interesting, Gilliard, if you could operate for a day without crying wolf about racism. ever worry about being typecast? it’s really, really getting old. the reason racism remains such a potent force is because people like you constantly fan the flames over complete nonsense.
Thanx Steve, great post. I really don’t think the numbers of “racists” or “fascists” has increased that much over the years I have been in this country ( I’m an early boomer), we have always had a racist and fascist gene in our American pool. I do think that the volume and visability has increased thru the mainstreaming of the “code” since Ronnie Reagan’s little tour with us. And, if you peel away a couple a layers a the onion of special interest voters and “Christian no-nothings” I think you get a population of about 20-25% of the voting population who are “hardcore” real fascists.
We are at a crossroads, the same one Germany was at in 1932 and the same one we were at in 1859 and 1877…this November is gunna be the final battle and will put a stake thru the heart of the mainstreaming of fascism and end our 145 year old civil war.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET ‘EM IN YER YARD!!
stick a fork in the (low) road?
katymine, I’m not sure I have ever been caught talking to a winger- you have more fortitude than I do. I did go looking for some kind of online reverse glossary, w/o success, but did turn up this snippet: http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/la.....HITE+HOUSE
Only part of the LATimes article is available, but it does have this part:
====[Bush], some felt, was giving a subtle nod to the belief of abortion foes, including Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, that just as the high court denied rights to blacks in the Scott case it also shirked the rights of the unborn in Roe, which many conservatives call the Dred Scott case of the modern era.
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Harvard University law professor Laurence Tribe, a Bush critic who has written extensively about the abortion debate, said Bush was signaling that he believed there was a direct parallel between women who would abort a fetus and slave masters of the 19th century.
or not. d r i f t g l a s s has a placeholder post at the top of his front page. apparently its purpose is to filter out automated blog spam. I just saw this in the comments - not gonna click through, however:
Anonymous said…
Sorry spamming your blog dude. Operation send darky home fund
www.priceonyourhead.com
brrrrrrrrr……
The stars and bars and the klan are part of a larger picture. Divisive race relations are a tool used by those who control the established economic and political levers to divide those who would otherwise be natural allies.
Working class whites compete with people of color, people with limited education and undocumented workers for jobs with little pay and no benefits. They should be allies in the strugle for better working conditions.
Playing the race card divides these groups and encourages, It additionally contributes to a sense of frustration and a sense of lack of control that then contributes to political apathy. Poorly paid people are too busy keeping bread on the table to take time consuming roles in politics.
So the poorly paid look at the competing workers as the problem, rather than looking at the employers and the economic system as the problem. It’s just easier to hate (fear) the guy with the other mop than it is to hate (confront) some faceless politico who refuses to raise the mimimum wage or who refuses to legislate mandatory health care.
This race division is not accidental. It serves many purposes. The low paid worker is always afraid that his job will go to the next guy, and he will have to rely on the safety net (what safety net? that’s not accidental either. that keeps everyone scrambling for the minimum wage jobs).
The liberal, educated, politically active, well paid people with medical and dental should always keep in mind the people who have to work two or three jobs to feed their kids (without benefits)
The race issue sits atop the economic issues. The race division helps to confuse the economis issues and thwart any alliance of the poor and the exploited.
What we need is more populism.
It’s an American tradition that could use a little shining up This energy needs a new channel.
‘You leave Cat Harris’ wife out of this, mister’
;>)
uggggh. took the plunge and was “rewarded” with this:
$100 dollars has been raised so far, so please keep those donations coming in.
We can do this together America!
I calculated it to cost $20 billion dollars to help send every African American home.
Yes, this is a real donation fund.
sick f**ks out there.
As The Specials sang so many years ago:
“If you have a racist friend
Now is the time, now is the time
For your friendship to end”
Does anyone know if commenting is disabled at the following blogs?
instapundit
malkin
A Google search proves that comment sections existed at these sites in the not too distant past. If they still do, my computer apparently lacks what it takes to render the links to open them. I’ve tried a few different browsers, disabled my firewall, etc., but no dice.
So somebody - anybody - please, check it out and let me know if commenting is still possible. Be sure to cover the upper-left corner of your monitor with something ugly-proof before you go to Malkin’s place. Thank you.
I’ve had little time for dumpster diving the last couple days, but here’s an old thread from exposetheleft that’s chok full of unconscious racism:
exposetheleft
thanks, db - needed a good chuckle….
Mike Dunford, at the Science blog “The Questionable Authority,” has an interesting article up about strange disappearances of information about the scientist who gave a lecture warning of dangers of engineered pandemic, asnd was then flogged by the right hate media for advocating ppopulation reduction through pandemic:
http://thequestionableauthorit.....prise.html
Does anyone know if commenting is disabled at the following blogs?
instapundit
malkin
A Google search proves that comment sections existed at these sites in the not too distant past. If they still do, my computer apparently lacks what it takes to render the links to open them. I’ve tried a few different browsers, disabled my firewall, etc., but no dice.
So somebody - anybody - please, check it out and let me know if commenting is still possible. Be sure to cover the upper-left corner of your monitor with something ugly-proof before you go to Malkin’s place. Thank you.
I’ve had little time for dumpster diving the last couple days, but here’s an old thread from exposetheleft that’s chok full of unconscious racism:
exposetheleft
BullGoose — neither Malkin nor Instapunding allow commenting.
That was a typo.
Instapunting?
OK, I’m NOT punaise. Night all…..
Steve,
Being a longtime visitor to your blog, I can say I was rather dismayed at the comments left by a lot of the people re:McKinney. I could see what they were saying better than they could (I may be white, but I went to an inner-city high school and learned about those codes - and what assholes some people in my neighborhood were), and I think it’s a much bigger task to get liberals to understand what thoughts are underneath the codes. I am not sanguine about the prospects. I saw how easily they could be manipulated in other areas (I live in CA and saw how easy it was for these idiots to vote for Arnold).
ET 44
I was gonna say, Instawhatever has no right to smear the word by inclusion in its title. that’s why I prefer Instapudding.
mndean,
a LOT of idiots voted for Armmold. Which ones do you mean?
I’m such a rookie. How many times I looked at Malkin’s smug .jpg for nothing. If instapundit and malkin no longer allow commenting, why are they still called blogs? They’re online rags.
Instapudding, or instapuding?
constapating
Ugh, Giuliani. What did he really do for NYC? Some people just still *love* him for “cleaning up.†Close down some topless bars? As far as I’m concerned, keeping it legal makes it safer for women. Turn Times Square into Disneyland? Make NYC such an unfriendly environment, that Chinese New Years’ celebrations are held in Queens? I’ve got an idea to keep him from running for elected office. His “title†from the Queen is unconstitutional. At least that is my reading.
still up
BullGoose,
You’re right - not blogs. That’s my biggest problem with Josh Marshall at talkinpointsmemo and Laura Rozen at warandpiece, both of them important spaces on the web. Laura does write back thoughtfully, though, if you e-mail her. Josh has only written back once, when I e-mailed him that I thought he was taking himself too seriously. He wrote back, rather testily, in 90 seconds that time.
punaise says: April 8th, 2006 at 1:12 am constapating
Geez, punaise. Don’t give that guy and opening. I don’t want him back. Do you?
Josh wrote a nice thank you note re a donation to get TPMuckraker off the ground.
VG - huh? did I miss quelque-chose?
I bet you didn’t know that during the settling of the West, that one-third of cowboys were black
And did YOU know that one African-American cowboy in particular, renowned for his roping and riding skills, is still immortalized in rural southwest Idaho to this day? And do you know what they called him then, and still call him today?
Nigger Bill.
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oh, that guy. (constant)
This topic hits me in my home ,my life,my wife.My wifeof 11 years,is a latina,born on the outskirts of Mexico City.She came here the old fatsioned way, visa ect.
I have seen racist shit upclose and personal.Even with familys that have lost their spanish,and are angelo in every way but name,it exists.
Its odd in some ways.There exists,a complete social”set” with charities,newspapers,events,where spanish is the primary launguage,lots of quiet new money and “in” crowd totally unknown by the existing monied elites here in portland.Some of the local politicians are aware of this social set,but lacking spanish,and freinds ,cant access.
I am so increadibly angry at the rightwing nutcakes decideing to use race/immigration as a wedge issue .The shrewdness,in a sick ,evil way,of useing this ploy smells of the very worst well thought-out bigotry.
I can only hope that this backfires with sufficiant force to blow their sorry asses to hell.The demonstrations will begin this week.I think there will be many “unintended consquences”.
stopping by for quick wave on way to sleep - long travel day today but great breakfast with Punaise … wow!
Steve - thank you for calling out liberal racism - we need to discuss and face its presence. And we need to look carefully at our own distance from black, asian and latino progressive movements.
see you all for catchup after I get some sleep -missed FDL this week while I was in CA but got to see Al Gore speak and will have a link to his presentation tomorrow …
punaise,
If I’d known tpmmuckraker would end up being this good, I might have done the same as you.
The furor over Cynthia McKinney amazed me. Even assuming she was totally at fault (which I don’t), the worst that could be said is that she acted like a self-important asshole. Well, duh. When have we ever had a shortage of that in Congress? Just to start, think the now-disgraced Tom Delay (hah hah!) and his “I am the government” statement.
The crap about the guard not recognizing her is just that. Any guard worth his/her salt learns to recocognize, by sight at least, the hundreds of people he/she sees regularly. Hell, I go into certain restaurants and grocery stores every few weeks and am recognized as a regular. And a Capitol Hill guard wouldn’t make a point of recognizing the senators and reps? Bullshit.
#54 Valley Girl says:
punaise says: April 8th, 2006 at 1:12 am
constapating
Geez, punaise. Don’t give that guy and opening. I don’t want him back. Do you?
I thought our constantpated blogwhore was female? If a blogwhore is male, he shouldn’t be called a blogwhore, but a blogstud. :-)
hey siun - you made it back! that was fun.
we held the first west coast FDL convention today - woo hoo! or is that wow how? Vegas, Shmegas :-)
oops - I think I got some screen names confused. constant/constantpated - my bad.
it’s late - zitF, all.
And did YOU know that one African-American cowboy in particular, renowned for his roping and riding skills, is still immortalized in rural southwest Idaho to this day?
Attitudes toward black country western singers like Charlie Pride has also apparently reeked. Sorry, insomnia.
Greetings to Firedoglake family from Saudi Arabia.
Off topic, but a great quote I found:
“Kings most commonly, though strong in legions, are but weak in Arguments; as they who have ever accustom’d from the Cradle to use thir will onely as thir right hand, thir reason alwayes as thir left. Whence unexpectedly constrain’d to that kind of combat, they prove but weak and puny Adversaries.”
John Milton
One more thing:
About three months ago I was speaking online to a right wing aqauintance, and he started telling me about black people in his church (to prove he was not racist). Every individual he described was a stereotype from the old films from the thirties and the forties — the happy, good natured lazy black who always wasted and lost money but everybody loved him; the dishonest black woman who always took advantage of others, etc. etc.
I called him on it and he was shocked, called me a racist. There was no talking to him, and I was finished wasting my time.
Thanks for listening.
Fight on.
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Bullgoose, being on the XX side of the aisle, I always assume, unless I know better, that the really stupid commenters are XY. Call me an old-fashioned sexist. And, I don’t think “blogwhore” is gender specific. ;) ;)
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bg 67:
“heh heh”
(that’s spelled backwards, by the way)
ta ta
Sorry - I meant I was in Arabia. There is not much of a Firedoglake community here.
I can only hope that this backfires with sufficiant force to blow their sorry asses to hell.The demonstrations will begin this week.I think there will be many “unintended consquencesâ€.
Please do blow their sorry asses to hell (metaphorically speaking.) Can I help? The criminalizing of migrant workers, immigrants, etc. is criminal.
Its friday night and it is nearly 2 am PDT so … most little kids are in bed.
What are you doing to Arabia?
I found Greece exteremely racists …. but then they were occupied by Turks for 800 years… distroyed the Acropolis and outlawed their Orthodox religion… no reason for hate
Katymine, right those horrible Turks. Not.
I agree that those of us who’re white on the left need to do some self-examination of our internalised assumptions about race and ethnicity and to consider how we came to make those assumptions to begin with. “You have to be carefully taught’, and we’ve learned our lessons well.
We might not have an actively racist bone in our bodies, but meaning well is not enough when we’ve internalised the message that people who look like us are innately superior, however unconsciously.
The whole structure of our western society and economy is built on treating non-western and non-white people as just another resource to be squandered on the altar of the free market. To do that without guilt, people who aren’t ‘us’ must be made to seem ‘other’. It’s done palatably, but it’s still done. Our culture constantly reminds us that the best thing in the world to be is a rich white male.To be anything else is to be a failure and consequently worthy of contempt or indifference.
People who are powerless in many ways, despite being part of that alleged elite, must find some way to empower themselves. One way to do this is to focus on the threat from those ‘others’. Then they can see themselves as valiant defenders of their national values. The media see a market, and a movement is born.
Blogs are a threat because enable us to deconstruct, between ourselves, the false messages that corporate media put out about race - hence the need for cable news and talk-radio to get ever more hysterical.They know the game is up and that we can see through the lies.
So they’ve desperately appealed to the hardcore Republican/ fringe racist groups - odd how often those two go together - for support. Bt if they think they can control these people, they’re deluded.
If it comes to violence, and I hope it doesn’t the blood will be on the metaphorical hands of Fox, Limbaugh, Red-State and LGF, amongst many others.
This really is a fork in the road.
69 Valley Girl says:
Bullgoose, being on the XX side of the aisle, I always assume, unless I know better, that the really stupid commenters are XY. Call me an old-fashioned sexist. And, I don’t think “blogwhore†is gender specific. ;) ;)
Being on the XY side, I’ve always had trouble with the idea that the Y is a broken X. I always assume that the XX side is just the same as XY side - but with a particularly bad case of penis envy:-)
Koheleth. Your acquaintance made some pretty shocking statements. Although in this day and age, I don’t know why I should be shocked.
There is racism everywhere. My two youngest children were adopted from Korea 20 years ago. One of the hardest children to place were mixed raced children in countries like Korea and Thailand.
It is in Mexico with their native indian population. My Oregon community sponored a native indian family from Mexico to get them settled & legal. I admired them, they were learning their third language, their indian dialect, spanish and english.
It is bringing it out into the daylight, trying to guarantee fairness in our society and legal recourse when there are offenses that need to be addressed.
I am not excusing it. I hate it because it touches my life, not so much daily now but now that my children are grown…. it hurts more so…
That is why I have such strong feelings of detest for McCain…. as the mother of two non-white children… adopted and raised into a mostly white society, I would of raised holy hell if anyone did to my family what was done to McCain…. This one point is why I do not respect the man.
Hopefully… he is self destructing. Even Republicans are getting turned off by that man.
Off topic…. racism does exist everywhere… Greeks hate the Turks…. they also hate the Germans for WWII. It is as old as man….but we need to learn the language and code words of those that are racist so that we can address the issues head on…
BTW, Koheleth good quote. I believe Milton was a Republican (in the untainted sense) and Puritan. Those two went hand in hand, I guess. New Englanders were sorely disappointed by the Restoration. Two of the regicides actually were hidden for quite a few years in the CT shoreline area.
Yeah sorry katymine, I didn’t mean to sound prickly. I am actually a little of a turkophile. Went through a whole period and everything. The whole Turk myth needs to be shed of the Muslimophobia and be called for what it is: old-fashioned imperialism. I know Armenians and Greeks have every good reason to disagree, but I just throw that out there.
Mychal Massie, an official with Project 21, a group of black conservatives, was quoted as saying slavery was good for blacks
Project 21. Amy Ridenour, arghh!
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When I was young, my family moved from the flatlands of the north side of Chicago to the wide-open spaces of hilly PA. Unused to driving over hills on snow covered country roads, my Dad always slid the family car into a ditch shortly after leaving the house. Our new “neighbor” - property is cheap in the sticks - always rode to the rescue in his 4X4. The guy would not accept a dime from my Dad for his trouble. Salt of the earth, we thought.
One day, three news helicopters circled the airspace over Mr.4X4’s property. We couldn’t see what the fuss was about because the everpresent hills blocked the view from our house to every goddam thing within a half city block from our house.
But we soon discovered that Mr.4X4, nice guy that he was to us white folk, was also a ranking member of the KKK, and happened to be hosting an old fashioned klan meetin’ that day, with a cross-burnin’ that night.
We had always thought guys like that frothed at the mouth.
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katymine,
I’m here on family business — my sister-in-law got married two days ago. I attended my first Saudi Wedding - men’s party (boring!) and women’s party. Immediate family men allowed in women’s party for about 30 minutes. 98% of the women covered up when we came in. My wife, two of my sisters-in-law, my mother-in-law and a few teenaged nieces did not cover up in the presence of “strange” men (those not in immediate family, i.e. brothers) — God bless them! Some were scandalized. Fuck them! The abaya and hijab (covering the women) is oppressive and sinful. I hate the oppression of women here, internalized and supported by many of the women themselves.
Having said that, the women’s party was awesome — great band, lots of dancing. I was the only Westerner there. Really rowdy. If I didn’t know better, I would have thought they were drinking. But this is Saudi Arabia.
I’m in major culture shock, but I’ll survive.
“The furor over Cynthia McKinney amazed me. Even assuming she was totally at fault (which I don’t), the worst that could be said is that she acted like a self-important asshole.”
So far as I can tell, the focus on the McKinney altercation is an attempt to distract the public away from some serious bad news for the right: (1) record American casualties in Iraq, (2) the #4 guy at Homeland Security being picked up for attempted child molestation, (3) hispanic demonstrations against immigration control, (4) presidential participation in security leaks. If they don’t have the disappearance of a white woman with which to distract us, an altercation involving a black woman will have to do. ;-)
A CodeBreaker
A fellow called into our local radio station with an excellent codebreaking technique the other day. Suggested that when race may be in question, reverse the polarity of the parties involved.
In his alternate universe a reasonably well-known white republican male congressman strode past a Capitol checkpoint without wearing the non-mandated pin.
A black female officer called him, stopped him by placing a hand on a sensitive part of his anatomy … say his groin.
He whirls and decks the guy with his cellphone.
Would the result have been similar>
Sure, when pigs fly
I can hear the cop’s supervisor dressing her down, apologies to the congressman, explanations of his understandable but manly response.
Do you hear anything else?
Great post Steve. I left NYC while Giuliani was Mayor, and my fellow liberals were standing by watching him day by day destroy the heart and the character of a ONCE GREAT City. NYC was finished even before 9-11 happened. I never use this word but Giuliani is a FASCIST. I witnessed it first hand.
Great read Steve G.
Racism and class ism are essential to capitalism… and THAT is the problem we face. Our system needs a PERMANENT underclass to exploit and there will always be an unspoken bond between racism and corporatism.
The big elephant in the room in the west and particularly here in the US is unfettered free market capitalism. When the evil empire fell, the corporatist/capitalists jumped for joy… Capitalism won… it IS the way. No discussion in the MSM about the downside to capitalism.
It’s all just a level playing field where every gets to COMPETE and it encourages and rewards innovation. It is THAT simple.
Capitalism is for winners. Those who don’t win need to figure out how to make it work for them…
I noticed recently in the NY Times a bit about Larry Silverstein and his negotiations for the WT site rebuilding. He demanded a $100MM “developer’s fee”. That struck me as a pretty nice “commission” for doing essentially noting. Capitalism and cronyism are the problem, racism is right in their as an excuse for exploitation.
But it is completely un american to speak against capitalism. You are branded a socialists and communist and not allowed to participate in the mains stream dialog for solutions for the future.
The elephant in the room is capitalism… and how appropriate a mascot for the republican party.
Defjef,
I agree. My former conservative aquaintance (I spoke of him earlier) referred to the rich as “the productive class.” It gave me the chills. He was absolutely convinced that these (the rich) are the people who produce in the society, and therefore it is justified for them to get whatever incentives (tax cuts, etc.) that Bush could offer them.
“The productive class” — What a crock!
Mui there’s a difference between Turkophilia and going over the top.
for the record it’s not just the Greeks and the Armenians who have reason to detest the Ottomans and their modern day apologists. Try talking to (Muslim) Bosnians, (Muslim) Lebanese, (Muslim) Kurds. There’s absolutely nothing mythical about the fact that as the Ottoman empire decayed it behaved with remarkable brutality. Not is there anything mythical about how it behaved towards any group that wasn’t Sunni Muslim. Ask the (Muslim) Iraqis.
That’s what empires do. It’s what your American Empire is doing right now and yes they do it based on race or ethnicity if you prefer that word.
Katymine - you’re right racism is an old old evil and omnipresent too.
Kehelth,
You got it… they are entitled to everything because it is THEY (the “producers”, who make everything in society work. The rest are hangers on… Why even support them? Let em fend for themselves we do we “the clever” ones. SCREW THE POOR.. they got what they DESERVE.
Great post, Steve!
Much of what I have read in the progressive blogosphere this past week on Cynthia McKinney reflect racist stereotypes. Of course, this stereotyping not new. I remember when it was fashionable to brand Malcolm X as a dangerous uppity nigger. And think about the way a young Cassius Clay was demonized. McKinney comes from a long distinguised tradition of people who choose not to conform easily to the expectations of white folk –liberal or conservative.
Steve, your voice serves as a conscience for the progressive blogsphere.
I was told (and I agree) that the fundamaentalism of American society is not necessarsily religion — we are willing to tolerate different religious expressions in our society and hopefully that will remain in spite of efforts to the contrary.
But the fundamentalism in this country (fully supported by every politician and the commercial media/corporate media — is that all Americans are on a level playing field and that there is equal opportunity for all. Try contradicting that in most public arenas and you will be regarded as from a different planet.
The rich and successful want to think that they are there because of their own efforts and their own merits and their own inherent goodness and not because of privilege, whether privilege of race or class. There is NO tolerance for another opinion on that point.
Second the motion from Edward Deevy who now that I’ve clicked on his link I’m delighted to see is a fellow bogtrotter born in bogtrotterstan same as I was.
[Waves]
How’ya Ed. ;-)
The thing is, that European and American bigots who talk about “The Turks” make no distinction between past and present, and have no awareness that no, not all *Turks* did well in the Ottoman Empire either. By any means. (That’s one of the reasons they had a revolution, and there aren’t - unlike Russia or Greece or Iran - any large groups of romantic royallists working to restore the old Imperial family.) They pretend that nothing has changed, and that all children are guilty down to the seventh generation of their ancestors’ sins, and that those “Wily Orientals” are just pretending to be normal human beings, before whipping out their poisons and knives - you still find Americans who feel this way about both Japanese and Jews, and they’re not all on Stormfront either.
And these are the same Exceptionalists who take *fierce* exception to any *hint* of collective contemporary blame to America or Britain for *our* genocides (plural!) and oppressions against minorities and the conquered - and to them, mentioning that a) these things happened, and b) we made a great deal of money and power that benefits us today by them, is blame - or being told that to approve of past presidents and leaders like Andy Jackson or Teddy Roosevelt is to be a racist imperalist supporter, or that they’re endorsing slavery if they praise Washington and Jefferson. Beams & Splinters, Ltd.
Good mornin’ fdlers. On my way home from work on med/surg tanight and jest a thought to those who are reaquainting themselves with the internalized racism that we all abhor and we all carry…contemplate, resensitize and go out and take it on with no guilt and no fear. Racism is a part of our cultural gene pool and we are all affected by it and we are all capable of racist responses that no one recognizes other than the person of color who is the object of the response. That said, we have an obligation of citizenship to confront racism wherever it shows itself and more than that we have an obligation to stand up for those victimized.
KEEP THE FAITH AND WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS TOGETHER!!
It’s part of everyone’s gene pool Norske. As you know I live in Denmark a few weeks ago I had a long conversation with one of the “natives” ;-) who absolutely couldn’t see why I thought her using the traditional name for a type of confectionary (niggers balls) was disgustingly racist. Her “argument” was that it was a traditional name and therefore not racist.
Jeeeeeeeez