
Finishing our analysis of the Government’s Response Brief of 4/5/06. Beginning on page 19 is where the discussion of what President Bush authorized in terms of a targeted leak of selective information from the NIE to Judy Miller at the NYTimes and other reporters, at the urging of Vice President Dick Cheney.
Defendant’s participation in a critical conversation with Judith Miller on July 8…occurred only after the Vice President advised defendant that the President specifically had authorized defendant to disclose certain information in the NIE. (pp. 19-20) (See also, Jane’s fantastic posts on the Miller conversations, notes and otherwise — including the fabu dust bunnies post – here, here and here. And some of mine here, here and here.)
Libby testified that this was a singular instance, in his recollection, of being asked to leak information of this high level classification nature, having been unilaterally declassified by the President, in his long career in government. Further, it was such an unusual occurrance, that Libby sought legal counsel from David Addington, then the Veep’s legal advisor, as to whether or not such a unilateral declassification was even valid and/or appropriate, and whether his disclosure of the information therein would be legal. (And I am not saying that it is or it isn’t here, merely that Libby sought an opinion from Addington on the subject. I’m sure the legality of this will be debated for quite a while.)
On pages 22 and 23, we get a round-up of the NIE discussion with Judy Miller at the St. Regis on the morning of July 8, 2003. There are a lot of odd bits that we’ve all been contemplating: why ask for an attribution of "former Hill staffer" when the President had "declassified" the portions of the NIE that Libby was disclosing to her? Was he still unsure of the legality? Was he protecting the President’s plausible deniability in the court of public opinion — or the Veep’s? Or were they trying to do the media bait and switch again — having Libby plant the item, and then having another official substantiate it later? (There was a reference yesterday to Woodward having been used like a Kleenex — you have to wonder if the whole of the Washington press corps isn’t feeling this way in light of all these revelations, don’t you?)
And why, if the "declassification" process was so legal and on the up and up did the President, the Veep and Libby keep that fact from the rest of the staff — including cabinet level officials who were later asked to re-declassify the very same sections of the NIE? (See p. 24 for who was in the know.) Can you say CYA? I sure as hell can.
On p. 24, Fitzgerald refers to Libby being directed by Dick Cheney to brief reporters in place of his then-press secretary, Cathie Martin. Fitz says that "this is relevent to show the importance that defendant and his boss placed on the conversation concerning which he later testified." Meaning it’s awfully hard to think that Scooter forgot about this trifling matter of the political smackdown of Joe Wilson that week when he was tasked with the importance of the political smackdown of Joe Wilson that week by the Veep himself. (I’m just saying…) And because this was done in the context of and using the pretext of discussions about the NIE, there is no way to present the facts of Libby’s conduct without one and the other — they were intertwined, and Fitzgerald knows it.
We get to another amusing footnote moment on page 25, fn. 8, wherein Fitz provides a narrative based on Libby’s statements about what he did or did not say to Hadley (and presumably backed up to some extent by Hadley’s statements and testimony). There is a feeling of skepticism about the story on keeping Hadley out of the loop — and I can’t quite get a read as to whether Fitz thinks Hadley was really in on this, and both he and Libby are lying about this aspect while trying to keep their stories straight. Or whether Fitz sees this as part of a bigger pattern of subterfuge from Libby, the Veep and the President — but I can’t shake the feeling that Fitz thinks there is something more there.
Page 26 is a goldmine of Traitorgate goodies. In the first paragraph, we find this:
However, the government has declined to identify to the defense, or produce documents concerning, some government officials on the grounds that (a) such officials are either subjects of the ongoing grand jury investigation or "innocent accused" whose identities are protected from disclosure by Fed. Crim. P. 6(e), as this Court has held; or (b) such materials are irrelevent to any issue in the case. (p. 26, emphasis mine)
And then this, in the second paragraph on page 26:
Indeed, there exist documents, some of which have been provided to defendant, and there were conversations in which defendant participated, that reveal a strong desire by many, including multiple people in the White House, to repudiate Mr. Wilson before and after July 14, 2003. (p. 26, emphasis mine)
Well, all I can say to that is: game on! Anyone who thought this investigation was just going to dry up and blow away with the indictment of Scooter Libby had best think again.
Fitz then goes on to lay out in detail Scooter’s attempt at ass-covering via Scott McClellan, and how it took arm-twisting by the Veep in order for the WH to provide him any cover with the press. (pp. 27-28)
There is then a detailed discussion about agency alignment with the prosecution or not for purposes of discovery. This is a bit arcane in legal terms, but it boils down to this: when the DoJ is investigating members of its own branch of government, there is naturally a dual relationship there — one of kinship, because they are governmental allies and often work hand-in-hand in other types of investigations, but also an adversarial one — because you wouldn’t expect someone under suspician to just hand over incriminating documents willy nilly without the government going through the appropriate legal procedures to get them. (You know, silly things like warrants, subpoenas, the sort of thing George Bush has decided doesn’t matter under FISA law. Constitutional duty and all that.)
What Fitz does not want to happen is that a precedent is set for future cases wherein the executive branch is put in a position to have to fork over everything to someone who would abuse that power — they should be required to follow the law on all sides. (At least that’s how I’m parsing his argument, although I think there is room for differing opinions on this point.) This was my favorite phrasing of the exchange:
To the extent there was a steady flow of documents produced, that flow of documents was responsive to a steady flow of subpoenas. (p. 34)
Which puts the whole dual relationship question in a sharp perspective, I think. They have to walk a fine line between being certain Libby is given every piece of evidence to which he is entitled so that he can adequately defend himself balanced against long-term governmental interests and the protection of the ongoing criminal investigation. I truly do not envy the judge who is making all of these decisions.
Bottom line here: George Bush jumped the shark with all of his public protestations about leakers being bad — because his sureptitious attempt to plant stories via Judy Miller through a Scooter Libby who clearly was trying to hide his identity behind a "former Hill staffer" attribution far away from the WH makes Bush look like a weasel. A weasel who has been pointing fingers at his critics, at the press, at everyone — but hasn’t taken any responsiblity on himself for his own mistakes, and his cherry-picking of intelligence that he used to lie our way into war with Iraq.
President Bush been exposed as a snake oil salesman, whose holier than thou attitude about leakers was designed to hide the fact that — all along — he’s been pulling the strings behind the scenes as the Leaker-in-Chief.
And, fyi, there was no denial at all from the WH today that anything Libby said in testimony was untrue. Steve Soto has more on this at Left Coaster. The WaPo has more on this as well.
The question now is — do they turn the machine on Libby, or will he be willing to turn it back on them to save his own hide? Did I say game on?
(Massive graphics love to the wonderful DarkBlack.)



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I think thes two contradictary statements summarizes Bush’s legal jeopardy. Both are from an article in Truthout by Jason Leopold on April 6.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040606Y.shtml
ONE
The officials, some of whom are attorneys close to the case, added that more than two dozen emails that the vice president’s office said it recently discovered and handed over to leak investigators in February show that President Bush was kept up to date about the circumstances surrounding the effort to discredit former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.
and…
TWO
According to four attorneys who over the past two days have read a transcript of the President Bush’s interview with investigators, Bush did not disclose to either investigators or the special counsel that he had authorized Cheney or any other administration official to leak portions of the NIE to Woodward and Miller or any other reporter.
I think it turns on how strong htge evidence is in those two dozen emails. It sure looks to me like There is hard documentary evidence that Bush obstructed jusitce.
“strong desire by many, including multiple people in the White House, to repudiate Mr. Wilson before and after July 14, 2003.”
and who would be the folk outside the White House with this peculiar ‘desire’ ?
Bush is toast. Think about it.
I want a t-shirt for YKos that sez: “Innocent Accused”
Great job, RH, your usual helping of analysis and snark, you done great! Wish I could stick around, gotta work.
Incredible job, Christy — thank you so much!
Thanks, Teddy — hope you have a good weekend, with all that work on a Friday. :)
John Forde:
But it’s OKAY if the President obstructs justice.
Otherwise, the terrorists win.
Now I am seriously impressed. Bravo Christy, a Part III!
And John Forde, I love that line “hard documentary evidence that Bush obstructed justice.” I just had to type that out for myself.
I am betting that Libby is very busy figuring out how to turn this back on Bush – esp considering that Bush and all his minions are now complete trash politically and historically. It is not as if there is anything at all left to preserve now, is there?
Today, White House Press Secretary Scott McLellan said only this about Scooter Libby’s contention that POTUS authorized him to relate national security information to Judith Miller of the NY Times:
“>”there’s a distinction between declassifying information that is in the public interest and the unauthorized disclosure of classified information that could compromise our nation’s security.”
OK. Let’s assume, for a moment, that POTUS has unlimited power to declassify at will. Likewise VPOTUS. And let’s assume for a moment that the information (the “key findings”) contained in the NIE was truly going toward shoring up national security. In other words,
“>”…the reason why the National — portions of the National Intelligence Estimate were declassified. It was very much in the public interest. I think what you have to do is balance the public interest with protecting national security information. And at that point in time, what was disclosed in the National Intelligence Estimate provided important historical context for the public debate that was going on about the intelligence. And so … that’s why it went through a process, and there was nothing in there that was being disclosed that would have compromised national security.”
If I interpret Mr. McLellan’s statement correctly (and remember, he speaks for POTUS), revealing details of the NIE to Judith Miller was in the nation’s interest, in the peoples’ interests, to refute Joseph Wilson, and to back up the White House’s pre-war contention that Saddam Hussein wasn’t looking for uranium in Niger. All the better to reassure the public that the US was in Iraq for good reason (or, at any rate, because the intelligence told them so), and thus preclude further interest in the WH’s use of pre-war intelligence.
I see two glaring problems with POTUS’s position, provided to us by Mr. McLellan. First, and this has been mentioned repeatedly on other blogs, according to Patrick Fitzgerald’s Wednesday night filing the information to be imparted to Ms. Miller was highly selective and biased in the government’s favor (in other words, although not outright lies, these revelations were, at a minimum, disingenuous). Be that as it may. The White House is entitled to its opinion in such matters. If this were the administration’s only act, the behavior could be seen as scurrilous, but certainly not illegal. The other problem I see with POTUS’s position (again, as received from Mr. McLellan) is that the once-highly sensitive, national security, classified NIE information, which was considered so vitally important to the nation and the war effort, wasn’t the substance of a statement to the nation, or the matter of a press conference, or even, at the time, something Scott McLellan saw fit to mention to the news writers and reporters of America. No. It was so vitally important to national interests–the public interest, to use Mr. McLellan’s phrase–that it was imparted as deep background, in the guise of a “former Hill staffer”, to only one member of the news media. So vitally important was it that the President told the Vice-President to tell his Chief of Staff to whisper it, on the promise of anonymity (the source of which was to be revealed at no time under penalty of perjury), to one newspaper reporter. Important, indeed. Now, the flaw in this plan of the administration’s to get the important word out, to assuage the peoples’ fear that they might have been lied to, and to do the nation a service, is that all that subterfuge belies the administation’s position, as espoused by Mr. McLellan just this morning.
For, if their intention was to perform a service to the nation, why all the cloak-and-dagger behavior? Why ensure that the information be portrayed as having come from an ex-White House staffmember? You would have thought, wouldn’t you, that something so important to the people, and to the war effort, would have been something that President Bush would take credit for, or at least Vice-Presidenty Cheney, or even Scooter Libby. Something so illuminating that it could, in one act, foreclose on further worry about the reason for the war in Iraq, shouldn’t it have been marquee material?
I’m left with only one conclusion. They acted improperly. They knew they were acting improperly. They covered up their improper activities. They continue to cover up their improper activities. And they expect us to believe them. Shame on us if we buy this crock of Bushit.
Sorry, I was gone for a while. Had to go do the lawyer thing in real life.
Clients get in the way of FDL afternoons.
BTW, JK I understand what you were saying below thread, but the David and Goliath thing goes the other way in big expensive white collar cases. Believe me, I know, I learned the hard way.
The US Attorney’s Office may have 150-200 lawyers, but your case only has it’s little bitty trial team. Sometimes only one or two lawyers.
I’ve worked on a couple of so called “trials of the century” (Which of course everybody promptly forgot as soon as they were over). Even those, the biggest trial team we had was 4 lawyers and two law students.
Team Libby uses more than that for freakin’ court appearances. Have you seen the army of expensive suits everytime they show up at the courthouse? Jeez.
And in cases like this, defense lawyers are like termites, for eveyone you see, there are dozens more back at the colony, ‘erm lawfirm, doing internal memo’s to the partners and over researching minutia.
The government lawyers don’t have the back office help. They are it. All by themselves. Well, they try to turn their FBI agents into ad hoc paralegals sometimes–OK OK That’s what I did.
Your experience in the Federal Defender’s Unit pitted one understaffed underfunded agency against a somewhat better staffed (I mean numbers not quality, I am a great admirer of Roland T.) and better investigations resources.
So compared to Legal Aid, USAO IS a Goliath. Compared to a small fish defendant trying to pay for his defense with a home equity loan, USAO is a Goliath. However, compared to Team Libby and the “trust fund” (gag me), in terms of manpower and laborsaving resources, our boy Fitz is definately at an extreme disadvantage.
He wins this one with both with brains and with sweat equity. Personal sweat equity. As a wise man pointed out to me, $5 million buys a lot of motions.And Team Libby obviosly intends to spend it all making Fitz work through as many motions as that money will buy.
If Libby decides his interests no longer align clearly with the interests of the White House, does his current legal team remain intact? What will Comstock do?
Christy, care to join my team at Justice?
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
The Bush Whitehouse including the VP can’t turn on Libby. They will try to brazen it out with a mixture of “we can do it because we are the executive” theory and also secure in the knowledge that the Congress is made up of quivering wet noodles, nobody will investigate high crimes and misdimeanors and hold the pResident accountable. But I agree: this amkes Bush look like the vindicative little ninny that most of us always knew…
couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
A question for the prosecutors around here: at what point does Fitzgerald stop being willing to deal? Is he willing to deal all the way up to an hour before opening statements? Or has there already been a “come to Jesus” offer the refusal of which guaranteed this will go to trial? Or is there a point where Fitzgerald has had to give away so much in filings that he’s no longer willing to listen?
I wouldn’t want to be King George trying to decide whether a pardon or a trial is worse–for Pete’s sake, the filings have been bad enough!
This is all such great, smart stuff. Unbelievable. You are all such Patriots. And having increasingly significant impact. Helps attenuate my depression over these malevolent pricks.
I just EPU’d myself, I guess -
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ment-59506
This is a quick hit and run — sorry if it has already been covered. David Ensor on CNN just reported on a whistleblower inside AT&T who describes and knows about a special room in San Francisco given to the NSA to monitor all AT&T traffic going through there.
Here is the link to the Google News Search
http://tinyurl.com/p6p3h
lhp 12 –
Thanks for pointing that out. Scooter Libby is definitely NOT a little fish in the jaws of a big bad DoJ prosecutor. Our beloved Team Fitz are the Davids with slingshots in this drama.
Regarding Libby flipping — I don’t think it will happen soon, because todays Scotty MacLyin’ event abandoned the old firewall, and moved the defense into the Dicatator Bush bunker. Meaning, Libby was authorized to leak, bucause of Bush is the law. Of course, it’s all BS, and Libby may flip eventually. But for now, he hasn’t been hung out to dry by the White House.
So, over/under when does Abu fire Fitz?
If Torture Boy moves to fire Fitz, Bush is toast.
Transcript now up from today’s Democracy Now with Murray Waas:
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…../07/144207
moe99 — Abu can’t. David Margolis would have to do the honors, because Abu is conflicted out of the process. But Bush could order a firing, I think…not postive on the internal machinations when the President is in the line of the investigation at this point, but Nixon springs to mind.
note to self — spell check is your friend; use it.
Christy – great Grand Slam Hit out-of-the-park….Gone post.
Wonder how the ‘Offical Republican Pet Rock Pundits’ feel about all this and if we are going to see any ‘attitude’ this Sunday Morning?
Christy, I think it’s time you and Jane invited Judy over for a cup of coffee and a nice long chat. : )
Christy~
You are truly a joy to read! Thank you!
Well, I don’t speak up for the Nazi’s that often, but at least they were willing to wait until victims were dead before trying to confiscate gold from their mouths.
http://www.tampabays10.com/pri…..ryid=28380
-GSD
President Little-Man-Strutting-Chief-Leaker-at-Whim, irrespective of any technical firing authority he may have, lacks the political wampum to get rid of Fitz now.
moi — if she wants to spill the whole saga, I’ll make french press coffee and homemade scones for all of us. But I doubt I’ll get the opportunity. ;-)
Please forgive the “>”s in my previous post. Bad puppy!
“Hey Team Libby I, II, and III” should be concatenated and run as a feature article in the major press.
I would never have “gotten” even a little of what all this means without this brilliant (3 part) exquisite explication. I hope that all this–your words, Christy and Jane–plus the comments–appears in print form sometime. What an education. What a hoot. Wish we weren’t having to go through all this. Remember the old Chinese curse…may you live in interesting times. Maximum respect.
Plus awesome graphics!!
Nixon had to go down the chain a little (Richardson, Ruckelshaus) before he found a willing tool (Bork) to fire the special prosecutor. So, is the line of authority Bush-Margolis-Fitzgerald? I feel in my bones that this will be sooooon….
Christy 23 –
Bush could order a firing, I think…not positive on the internal machinations when the President is in the line of the investigation at this point
I’m not sure Bush can fire Fitzgerald, even if he’s not a suspect.
As I recall, the letter appointing Fitz gave him “Plenary” powers of the AG and DoJ; doesn’t the legal definition of plenary transcend normal chain of command hierarchy?
Just as Bush doesn’t have the power to fire judges, he doesn’t have the power to fire the DoJ. If Fitz was invested with plenary powers of the DoJ, that is what firing him would amount to.
Or am I out in left field on this?
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Great question Pach at 13. IMO, part of Libby’s mission, which Comstock is financing, is to “smoke out” what Fitz has in terms of statements to the SGJ and investigators.
Re Professor Foland (16):
King George may be worried about the question of pardon v. trial, but he’s WORRIED about the question of what and when Fitzgerald might turn anything over to the House Judiciary Committee. My non-lawyerly background sense of things (nourished from growing up glued to the Watergate hearings) is that Fitzgerald might name Bush as an unindicted co-conspirator in any potential filings against Libby, Rove, etc., but that Bush himself would have to go the impeachment route before he could be held criminally responsible.
By the way, has anyone noticed that Nixon’s old press secretary Ron “That statement is inoperative” Ziegler and Scott “I can’t comment on an ongoing investigation” McLellan look an awfully lot alike?
I’m just sayin’.
http://homepage.mac.com/jholbo…..0Scott.jpg
http://lifeinlegacy.com/2003/0215/ZieglerRon.jpg
Where’d you get that smuggy-pruneface shot of Bush. That is just how I see him when he is looking down at the working class folks.
I bet he had that look when he peered out of his Air Force One from 10,000 feet to “check-on” the god folks in New Orleans.
That was when his mother said that when her son flew over New Orleans “it was the most important thing in the world to those people.”
-GSD
The Incredible Shrinking Chimp
ck
You don’t think he hasn’t already been hung out to dry on the perjury, obstruction charges? I ask because I seriously doubt that he made the decision all by his lonesome to lie. There must have been – at one time – a tacit promise of some kind of substantive cover or protection. Furthermore, he seems like he was very careful to cover his ass. He checked back with both Cheney and Addington both before the Miller (& whoever the other reporter was). In other words, he didn’t seem too eager to go out on limb with the original leak (that is, he seems cognizant that it was risky from the get-go) without official cover.
Which may be what Fitz is *really* after??? More obstruction and perjury charges that go way up to the top – like at least to the VP? Would he have that if LIbby flipped? Since he has known for some time that Bush was declassifying intelligence (he’s not going to touch the constitutionally of that with a 10 foot pole imo) and authorizing leaks.
BTW – has anyone else noticed how quiet the Plame-Wilsons have been? And Judy Miller for that matter.
Looseheadprop — Team Libby may have the financial resources to file endless motions, but if the result of each is a political firestorm like the one we’ve seen yesterday and today (and likely continuing nonstop thru Sunday morning), T.L. may come under severe pressure from the WH to cease and desist.
Continued bad publicity from filings could very well create the “misalignment” of interests between T.L. and the WH which Pachacutec describes.
Even ABC’s “The Note,” GOP cheerleaders that they are, raised a couple of similar issues today — “Can Libby ever be pardoned now? As a political matter, can the case actually go to trial?”
I don’t think they really want to hear the answers to those questions.
Christy, the WaPo article is still stuck on the wrong issue:
“The court filing by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald for the first time places Bush and Vice President Cheney at the heart of what Libby testified was an exceptional and deliberate leak of material designed to buttress the administration’s claim that Iraq was trying to obtain nuclear weapons.”
No, the effort was not designed to show there actually were WMD; the effort was instead to convince Judy Miller and the NYT that the intelligence Bush relied upon, the NIE, clearly and unambiguously supported the statements Bush had made — that is, that he wasn’t lying about the intelligence in the lead up to the war.
But Libby did not show Judy Miller or anyone else the materials that showed that Bush knew, before the war, that this cherry-picked pro-war intelligence was not supported by key players/experts in the intelligence community. Since Bush knew this — and the non-disclosed documents proved this — he was lying, and so was Cheney. As Waas told us, the plan was to conceal the lying (not the bad intelligence) that justified the war, at least past the election, if not indefinitely. We need to keep explaining this.
Libby testified…it was such an unusual occurrance, that Libby sought legal counsel…whether his disclosure of the information therein would be legal.
An interesting petard to hoist oneself with, eh? No way does the “I was too busy and stressed to remember details” defense carry any water with this kind of action by Libby at the time. Not sure why anyone would believe the defense if Libby knew this was such an unusual situation that he sought legal opinion before following his orders to destroy Wilson and his wife.
One thing is abundantly clear from Christy’s analysis: Libby is going down. All the $500 an hour high-profile lawyers in the world are not going to save him. Fitzgerald is sending the signal loud and clear: “You are going away, pal.”
Will this work under the penumbra of a certain Presidential pardon?
I would say, yes, because Libby just has to plead guilty and plead guilty quickly. To repeat, this can’t go on. Rove would be gulity of malpractice if he let it continue.
But then…a pardon? Hmmmm. You only pardon Libby if he can be made to look like a hero. Tough. Really tough. Particularly with the news out of Iraq not exactly coming up roses.
I wonder if Scooty Pants has it in him to do a Claude Rains moment. I ‘m talking about in “Mr. Smith Goes To Washington”, where he tries to shoot himself and then runs on the Senate floor and says, “Everything this young man says is true!”
OT – According to Raw Story the Washington Post is going to hire both a liberal blogger and a conservative blogger. If this turns out to be true, it looks like all of the criticism the WaPo got over the hiring of Ben Domenech to “balance” Dan Froomkin paid off.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0407.html
Digby. Haha.
For us non legal types its fun to watch Fitz tweak their noses. Thanks Christy,Awesome job.
Christy,
Thank you for the excellent, excellent, summation of these latest developments.
Is it just my wishful thinking, or is the Bush administration about to come tumbling down?
Somebody pinch me, I must be…dreaming of rain…
I’ll tell ya one thing. I’m glad the FDL lawyer brigade is on our side. No better analysis is available anywhere. All I can do is read and learn. If ya’ll need a good foot soldier call me.
Christy -
Was it about the time that Patrick Fitzgerald visited Mr. Bush’s attorney that we started to see overt displays of the unilateral executive(s) concept? As we ponder that question, let us remember that it was Dick Cheney who for many years has advocated expanded presidential powers. How many unilateral executives does the executive branch of our government have? Isn’t there room for only one?
Is there a children’s story about a puppet, no longer inanimate, longing to be freed from the strings that constrain its motion?
Thanks, crc. We do have a fine crop of legal minds who comment here, don’t we? :) (And, fyi, my brain hurts now. Won’t get to the judge’s decision from this week until tomorrow, I’m afraid…)
Thank you Christy– what an incredible amount of wonderful analysis you gave us all. Rest well, hope you and Fiona feel better soon.
Digby wants a reporter to ask the following question of Scottie:
“If the president was willing to authorize leaking of national security information to reporters for political purposes, why should we believe he won’t authorize warrantless wiretaps on Americans for political purposes?”
Toast
Attorney Bob Bennett on Tweety is saying it’s just become more difficult for Bush to pardon Libby since Bush is now seen as being directly involved in the crime process with the ‘leaking’ approval …
Christy..first time replier here..WAY TO GO G/F.I have read this site for many months…just waiting for this day.You do a great job..as well as all the other posters.Thanks again and again.
It looks like Scooter recognized that he was between a rock and a hard place while testifying to the Grand Jury and tried to give himself some leverage later. I think that when he went in to the Grand Jury, he thought that he knew what Fitz had. By the line of questioning, he realized that he game was up and roped Cheney and Bush into his narrative. He could have been telling the truth, i.e., that Cheney did tell him to leak certain things. But it certainly does pass the buck upstairs.
Fitz is a smart person and I can see him knowing that Scooter is lying, trying to give him and out and realizing that Scooter was willing to hang himself up as a stalling tactic until he could get out of the GJ and regroup.
Lil Kim got 30 months for perjury. 30 months in a state pen. I think Libby is good for at least thee times that in a Federal pen. My reasoning: Federal pens are better than state pens; he lied more; he was a lawyer; he was sworn to uphold the Constitution.
I wonder what his kids will think when he goes away for a while? Is his wife okay with that?
-
“Shrub meet Cherry Tree”
http://www.derenegade.blogspot.com/
TeddySanFran says:
April 7th, 2006 at 1:53 pm
“I feel in my bones that this will be sooooon….”
Wouldn’t it be political suicide?
There must be some puckered assholes at the Whitehouse after the new AP/Ipsos poll with the Chimp sinking into the tank and with the Libby/CIA leak story reaching a new fever pitch.
Bottom line, if there was nothing wrong with what they did…why not just come out right up front and say it is the Presidents perogative.
Sleaze….sleaze…sleaze…
-GSD
Dan Robinson -
I have to think ALL of these pukes have so much mutually incriminating dirt on each other it’d make our heads spin were we to come to know everything. Makes it problematic for them. Nice, in a way. Let them stew in the steaming pile of their own communal excretion. Lotta people are eventually go down. Fitz will see to it.
Mike Isakoff is coming up on Tweety
Four month lurker, first time responder.
Thanks so much for the information and analysis.
You have kept the story alive and given me hope
that the truth will finally come out.
A Bay State Librul
I have to say, this is what great blogging is about for me. Comprehensible posts of big issues dissected and meticulously analyzed. This is great stuff.
GSD -
I been harping that for 2 days now. If it was all within his authority and the motives were National Interest, WHY skulk around with Miller and “deep background” and all the subsequent stonewalling and lying?
We know why.
Wilson at 54.
Bob Bennet outta know. He got the pardon for Cap Weinber from Bush the First!!
Swoosh at 41.
One of the things I love best about this filing is that Fitz made the defense BEG for it and then, whammo, gave ‘em what they asked for.
The juges decision which Christy will digest for us tomorrow is in response to some really bullshit carping about Fitz filing thing ex parte (the judge can read it but the defense cannot) and filing things underseal. One of their arguements in their motion was that the American people have the right to know what’s going on in this case.
So, the judge acknowledges that Fitz cannot be prevented from filing ex parte or under seal, but if the court feels it’s being done unfairly or abused, the documents will be unsealed by the court. All good.
It gets better, the the judge asks all “pretty please” would Fitz TRY not to file anything under seal if he can avoid it.
Well, the way you avoid it is by letting whatever parts of it you want to be public!
ANd the defense can’t complained because they demanded it.
The snark of it all. The glorious irony! I love irony.
54 *ilson46201 says:
April 7th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
Attorney Bob Bennett on Tweety is saying it’s just become more difficult for Bush to pardon Libby since Bush is now seen as being directly involved in the crime process with the ‘leaking’ approval
Wish it were so. But that didn’t stop his father from pardoning his Iran-Contra cronies, which had the effect of pardoning himself.
*ilson46201 – Well, see that is a reasonable person’s take on all this. The thugs don’t give a shit. They are capable of ANYTHING. They must be stopped. Put in jail. That’s the only way they can be prevented from crushing this country. We are in big trouble.
I am sure that Fitz has more delicacies for us to munch on.
If I recall.. he questioned Bush in the WH for approx. 60-70 mins back in late June of 2005′
To have been a fly on that wall…
Bush Is Toast
John Casper says:
April 7th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
Wasn’t that one of emptywheel’s points in at least one of her Next Hurrah posts? How much cash they will go through before it becomes quite apparent to them that it will be futile to continue spending money bolstering a firewall that will eventually be breached?
Stephen Parrish, CPA says:
April 7th, 2006 at 2:20 pm
TeddySanFran says:
April 7th, 2006 at 1:53 pm
“I feel in my bones that this will be sooooon….â€
Wouldn’t it be political suicide?
–It would be dangerously close to suicide right now.
But if the trial continues, with each passing day it becomes increasingly difficult to pardon as more evidence arises of Bush’s involvement. Bush has to decide whether to pardon now or risk further disclosure from Fitzgerald or Libby that would make it impossible to pardon later.
The way things are going the last 24 hours, Bush’s window of opportunity for a Libby pardon, if it hasn’t passed already (as Bob Bennett believes), may disappear within days or even hours.
And the kicker is that Libby is aware of this also. If he begins to sense that a pardon is no longer a political possibility, his incentive to cop a deal increases.
And, likewise, Bush is aware that Libby must be thinking this way. My guess is that Bush or Bush proxies will try to send out some unambiguous messages very soon that indicate to Libby that he is still in line for a pardon and has not been thrown under the bus. Will Libby believe him?
A great book on the sort of strategic thinking that must be going on in Libby’s camp and the WH is Thomas Schelling’s “The Strategy of Conflict” – I highly recommend it.
Emptywheel has written about that dynamic, and about the two sides of Libby’s defense team, who may have different agendas for the client. The Comstock people work for the White House.
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I been harping that for 2 days now. If it was all within his authority and the motives were National Interest, WHY skulk around with Miller and “deep background†and all the subsequent stonewalling and lying?
We know why.”
Talk about poor leadership? Jesus, you know that some drunk wingnut went on a junket and he is leaving the nation with the opinion that Saddam is not an imminent threat…so instead of standing up loud and proud saying: “This man is a fraud.”..They instaed leave it to some back channel “chatter and gossip” campaign?
Crooks and liars.
-GSD
Isikoff on Tweety just said that the Leaker-in-Chief’s juiceiest leaks are in Woodward’s books. I wonder how those leaks fit in with Snottie McMuffin’s latest spin.
I’m just trying to get them to de-classify Agent Dumbfuck’s secret Powerpoint™ presentation on terrorist vegetables in the Austin area.
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Christy Hardin Smith,
Thank you again (and again and again)…you are indeed one smart person who puts her talents in service to her values which include the truth. Couldyou please come up to our county and serve a term er two as our country DA. The local wingnut shop passes this job on like family heirlooms and a bunch of assistants have been forwarded to the Justice Dept. for Reagan and BushI…thanx again gal.
KEEP THE FAITH AND THE TRUTH SHALL PUT ‘EM ALL IN JAIL!!
I can’t imagine that the GOP is gonna stand for a lame duck president pardoning Libby right now. It guarantees Dem control of ….everything… for a decade or more.
He does that, The HAVE TO impeach him to save themselves. We are in Nixon country here.
I am sure that isikoff tweety and woodward would all agree that bubbleboys juiciest leaks were in their mouths
That fucker Michael Isakoff is hiding something – or else he is trying to cover for Woodward. HE lied outright. He said that after the leak to Judy failed, they didn’t leak it to other reporters. BULLCRAP. After it didn’t work they leaked it to at least a half oa dozen reporters. Why is he lying? Why is he trying to minimize this?
the Leaker-in-Chief is #2 in newsstory count on Google beaten only by ‘illegal aliens’. Fitz has now beat out bird flu and McKinney !
If Scooter cannot count on a pardon then … game over.
Isikoff is a compromised shill.
-GSD
GSD -
LOL!!! You rock!
Seriously, Bush could NOT have gone public, as that would have put security-cleared Senators in the loop, and all the contrary NIE data and assessments would have come more to light, weakening his case for his war Jones. He couldn’t — politically — hold a Presser, wave the NIE in the air, and then go back to holding it “classified.”
libopinion — my guess is that Isikoff is holdin something back for one of his patented “scoop” articles — why spill for Tweety when you can get all the glory for yourself? Either that or he fears the probing examination of the FBI investigators working for Fitz.
looseheadprop – Let me suggest that we are IN FACT in NIXON country. I’m old enough to have lived it first hand. Mom was a member of the Committee to Impeach. Of course, they are smarter now. Same folks. Learn to accept it. Evil people with an agenda.
John Casper says:
April 7th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Are those even more selective leaks appearing in the books he has published? What books does he have in progress?
[Off Topic, but related to the reference earlier post]
kirby @ 1:37 pm (#18) – That’s quite a drive-by bombshell.
Looks like what some folks have been predicting has turned out to be true. AT&T, one of the main long-distance telephone providers in the United States, has apparently been allowing the NSA to tap the datalines at a switch center in San Francisco. What this means, for all you folks who don’t know what happens to your voice once it leaves your phone, is that any long distance phone conversations to or from a rather large part of California are being monitored at this one site. It also means that any Internet connections to or from the area are likely also monitored, as this particular switch center is also an intertie from AT&T to other ISPs.
According to the Wired story, this sort of thing may have happened at several other switching centers up and down the West Coast, including Los Angeles, San Jose, and Seattle.
I remember predicting this sort of thing might happen in comments on FDL a few weeks ago. I was by no means either the first or the most knowledgeable to make such a prediction.
The Wired article is the most technically detailed of the ones in kirby’s Google News link.
There is also an article on the Pitt U. Law School website written by “JURIST”. It says that the minimal damaged asked for is $100 per person in the class, which he says could add up to hundreds of millions of dollars. If he’s just multiplying $100 by the number of people who are potentially being tapped, he’s right.
Don’t take this personal.
If I was president and pissed on your leg would I be a leaker? Careful their is another question that goes with this.
Pach,
Agreed, emptywheel is a must read on this subject. My main point is that the dynamic between WH and T.L. has suddenly become subject to a tremendous amount of outside pressures that are growing in strength on both sides of the table at an unprecedented rate. I doubt that the alignment of interests can hold much longer.
libopinion, is it possible Isikoff is just pissed off at the Leaker-in-Chief for leaking to Woodward (and not to him) and that this is “payback?”
GSD,
Yes indeed…crooks, liars and MURDERERS. Let’s not forget Iraq and the brave and innocent Iraqis and the brave American kids who only want to survive and come home to the “world”. With all the bullshit, corruption and treason flyin around, when it gets so heavy that ya can’t figure out who isn’t a war criminal or a war profiteer, jest remember Iraq and it all becomes clear.
KEEP THE FAITH, WHEN WE DIE WE’RE GOIN TA HEAVEN ‘CUZ WE SURVIVED THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!!!
All that flying around the country on AF1 and making the same speech ad nauseam haven’t made a dent in his JAR except to drop it further? Horrors. Does it bug anyone else that his new thing is to constantly bring up his best bud Koizumi in every speech in order to sell democracy?
My daddy fought the Japanese and now I am best friends with Koizumi. I think it is amazing. I mean that is what happens when democracy takes place. They were our enemy and *poof* now we are friends.
Never mind, hundreds of thousands died then too, buddyboy.
So, when will the pardon occur? I would think the WH wants this hemorrhaging to stop.
Or maybe they’re waiting for all the indictments 1st.
mike — 87 — well, you would be taking a leak, but in my opinion, it would make you an ass. Who could potentially be brought up on assault charges. Let alone indecent exposure. Try a more intellectual form of discourse next time.
there is actually a tripartite disalignment that will be happening:
1. Libby and family
2. Cheney
3. Geo W Bush
Their interests do not necessarily stay converged…
Stephen CPA, I took Isikoff’s comment only to refer to books that Woodward has already published.
Interesting question, Steve Parrish #50 — I also wonder about the timing of certain things in relation to this; Tenet’s resignation, Karen Hughes going and then coming back, the push to move Bolton to the UN, etc. Wondering if the movements of the troops would indicate circling the wagons, in light of new information.
The wildcard here is Iran. It wouldn’t shock me if Bush were to attack Iran and, during the weeks of subsequent upheaval, sneak in a pardon of Libby while the nation’s attention is focused elsewhere.
From truthout …
“According to four attorneys who over the past two days have read a transcript of the President Bush’s interview with investigators, Bush did not disclose to either investigators or the special counsel that he had authorized Cheney or any other administration official to leak portions of the NIE to Woodward and Miller or any other reporter. Rather, these people said the president said he frowned upon “selective leaks.”
Bush also said during the interview two years ago that he had no prior knowledge that anyone on his staff had been involved in a campaign to discredit Wilson or that individuals retaliated against the former ambassador by leaking his wife’s undercover identity to reporters.”
Now I’m not saying that I am buying this – at all. But if this is true. Bush is done.
Pachacutec – The scooter team is schizo in that respect. Maybe that explains the lack of cohesion. They are all over the map. Desperate. Heh, heh, heh.
each passing day it becomes increasingly difficult to pardon as more evidence arises of Bush’s involvement.
I don’t think Bush will pardon anybody in this affair — it’s not in his DNA.
When Poppy was running for Preznit, Junior ripped one of the employees a new one, saying “that in the Bush family, it was his duty to throw himself on a grenade to protect the boss.”
Bush thinks Libby is supposed to sacrifice himself for Bush — it is his duty, so no pardons are necessary.
Bush thinks we are all his ungrateful minions.
Bush doesn’t worry about little people — like Scooter Libby.
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xyz says:
April 7th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
The wildcard here is Iran. It wouldn’t shock me if Bush were to attack Iran and, during the weeks of subsequent upheaval, sneak in a pardon of Libby while the nation’s attention is focused elsewhere.
Like THAT could ever happen. Christy would be on that like white on rice.
LOVE the graphic. And for all you, Jump the Shark fans, how long before Ted McGinley is named Treasury Secretary? This administration has definitely jumped the shark.
OT – Just to add to my last comment (#86) on how important this is, here’s a map of the U.S. portion of the Internet.
http://www.thecyborg.com/howto/mapbig.gif
See how all those lines go through San Francisco? SF and San Jose are the Internet equivalent of the Mississippi River – sooner or later, most of the bits in this part of the country pass through there.
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Read James Fallows’ latest in the Atlantic Monthly about the idiocy of attacking Iran now.Not that Bush isn’t crazy enough to try to order it.
libopinion:
The Waas story indicates court dox saying Cheney authorized Libby to talk to the press about the NIE “and Wilson.”
What about Wilson?
That he “was sent by his wife,” what else? There is no talking about Wilson w/out ref. to Plame’s status.
Either Libby’s lying, Cheney was lying, or Bush was lying. It’s just a matter of how high it goes.
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Tweety is saying NO Republicans are coming to the Leaker-in-Chief’s defense on this.
Ron Reagan (the good one) opined that no Repubs are sticking up for the Leaker-in-Chief but maybe McCain will step up to the plate…
ck – Bush may not care about the little people, but if he has to pardon LIbby to save himself, he will.
Ron Reagan (the good one) opined that no Repubs are sticking up for the Leaker-in-Chief but maybe McCain will step up to the plate…
Don’t forget Leiberman.
Somebody upthread worried that Abu might fire Fitz. Only MArgolis can do that, but the President can order MArgolis to do it. Margolis has several options:
1)comply with the president’s Order
2)refuse to comply and resign (Saturday Night Massacre style)
3) refuse to comply and get fired himself by ABU for insubordination
4) refuse to comply and have a lawsuit filed against him for a writ of mandamus.
For those non Marbury vs. Madison fans out there, a writ of mandamus is a court order reuiring a government employee to do somthing he should be doing or to refrain from doing something he should not be doing. Mandamus literally means “we command”
Can an argument be made — and sold to the GOP Congress — that Fitz has compromised national security in his filing, by revealing what Libby said BigTime and Chimpy did? Then, W could justify firing Fitz, on the grounds that Fitz jeopardized national security.
See how tidy bizarro-world looks through the looking-glass?
Looks like Bush is going to cause a headache for Angela Merkl in Germany.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/engl…..398234.htm
Bush is fast running out of places to seek refuge. He is now stuck with Middle Eastern Kings, and Asian despots.
-GSD
“Tweety is saying NO Republicans are coming to the Leaker-in-Chief’s defense on this.”
Goopers may lack spine, but they can count. Strutting-Chief-Leaks-at-Whim’s JAR is way down and picking up downhill steam. Success has 1,000 fathers, failure is an orphan.
Haven’t read yet, but I’m listening to Murray Waas on Democracy Now talking about Libby etc., the poor job the press is doing in reporting on the government and administration, the loss of good reporters, “powers of journalism are at a crisis for a democracy”.
I’ve posted this before, highly recommend.
You can listen to all kinds of radio from all over, customize and hit refresh to see the next hour of programming.
Public Radio Fan
“White House Tries to Quell Anger Over Leak Claim”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04…..r=homepage
“Can an argument be made — and sold to the GOP Congress — that Fitz has compromised national security in his filing, by revealing what Libby said BigTime and Chimpy did?”
How so? Snotty McFelon today said that Bush/Cheney/Libby/Miller did was in “the National Interest.” He took great pains to insist that leaking in the National Interest was OK, ergo Fitz’s revelations merely recount on their Patriotic Efforts during that time — nothing of damage to National Security was revealed.
(of course, if it was so fucking Noble, why all the skulking, stonewalling, and lying?)
Bush is fast running out of places to seek refuge. He is now stuck with Middle Eastern Kings, and Asian despots.
Those Middle Eastern Kings/Despots are way too smart for that. Remember what happened when Carter let the Shah into the USA for humanitarian medical treatment? That whole Iranian Revolution and hostage thingy.
No way the Sheiks and Emirs are gonna let Bush retire in the desert.
Maybe the old ratline family friends in Paraguay.
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Speaking of a crappy press. Once again, Digby has expertly boiled it all down.
More here.
Quoting Snotty on NYTimes.com:
‘Scott McClellan, President Bush’s spokesman, insisted that any release of information was “in the public interest.” ‘
So when he is not dry-humping meter maids, he is calling his political opponanats “assholes”.
Berlusconi in Italy is swirling the drain despite owning 95% of the media.
Did Berlusconis’ right hand man say “Big time.”?
(Snip)
“Earlier this week, he set off a political storm by calling center-left voters “coglioni,” meaning “assholes.” On Friday, in a parting comment to his Naples rally, he repeated the phrase.
“We will win on Sunday and Monday because we aren’t assholes,” he said to cheers.”
looseheadprop – Yes, happened in NIXON. Then we got John (Martha)? as Attorney General. Gee, I wish my memory was better right now. He lived in San Diego. Oh, Mitchell. See, we are right back there. Wait and see. It’s going to take people to STAND UP and say NO.
timewarp @ 3:01 pm (#118) – I’d go even further. I’d say there’s a serious lack of ability on the part of journalists to recognize rhetorical fallacies – what Carl Sagan referred to as “baloney” in Demon Haunted World. It’s just annoying to read, on an almost daily basis, politicians and others being given a pass when they use even the most obviously fallacious logic to make a point.
BobbyG – In my view of the situation we will see a movement to do exactly that. The fire Fitz movement is just around the corner. They will stop at NOTHING. Take it to the bank.
Libby testified…it was such an unusual occurrance, that Libby sought legal counsel…whether his disclosure of the information therein would be legal.
Redd- Such excellent work you’ve done here. Thanks. No time to read it myself. Query-if it was all so legal and he had a reliance defense via David Addington, why lie in the Grand Jury at all? Clearly just to cover up. How Nixonian!
Conyers on HuffPo…
Dear Mr. President:
We write with respect to the troubling revelation that you authorized I. Lewis Libby, the Vice President’s former Chief of Staff, to attempt to discredit a critic of your Administration through the selective leaking of classified information. The information pertained to Iraq’s alleged, and now soundly disproved, efforts to acquire nuclear weapons. This leak is similar in pattern to the leak of the identity of a CIA officer whose husband discredited your assertions about Iraq’s nuclear ambitions. We ask that, once and for all, you publicly admit the extent of your role in authorizing the selective leaking of information to discredit your critics and detail what other leaks you have authorized that are relevant to the war in Iraq.
As you are aware, at least two senior Administration officials disclosed the fact that Valerie Plame Wilson was an undercover CIA officer. The Justice Department, through Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, began investigating the source of the leak of this highly-classified information. In October 2005, a federal grand jury indicted Mr. Libby for obstruction of justice, perjury, and false statements pertaining to his involvement in the leak.
In the course of this investigation, according to the Justice Department, Mr. Libby testified that you authorized him to leak classified information about Iraq’s alleged nuclear ambitions. He testified before a grand jury that “the Vice President later advised him that the President had authorized [Mr. Libby] to disclose the relevant portions of the [classified National Intelligence Estimate].” What makes Mr. Libby’s testimony especially troubling is that you have repeatedly implied that you have not had any role in the leaking of classified information.
In fact, you have stated several times that leaking classified information is a serious crime and that perpetrators should be brought to justice. These statements were in connection with the Valerie Plame Wilson leak and the disclosure of the NSA spying program. Mr. Libby’s sworn testimony, however, indicates that you have been personally involved in trying to undermine the credibility of those who question your claims about Iraq; as part of that effort, you have permitted the leak of classified information on at least one occasion.
Moreover, even Presidents are not outside of the law in this area. It is apparent that, at a minimum, you are bound by your own executive orders and the executive orders of your predecessors governing the declassification of certain information. It is not clear what those procedures are and whether you have followed them.
For these reasons, we ask that you immediately disclose not only the extent of your role in authorizing the disclosure of information to discredit critics of your Administration but also any other information related to the war that you have leaked and the rationale for each such leak.
Sincerely,
John Conyers Jr., Jerrold Nadler, Sherrod Brown, Jim McDermott, Tom Udall, Tammy Baldwin, Gary Ackerman, Steven Rothman, Betty McCollum, Ellen Tauscher, Robert Wexler, Maurice Hinchey, David Scott, Michael Honda, Anthony Weiner
Scottie needs a lesson in the meaning of “crass politics”.
Crass politics is when a president selectively leaks misleading classified information to a reporter via an anonymous source to trump up his false case for war and then goes before the country and denounces leakers.
Now that is f***ing crass.
NPR is not letting up. Scottie “was trying recollect the timeline of summer 2003″ (great snark npr!)
They are doing a great job laying out the Libby leak to Judith Miller timeline. Even replaying an interview with Judy.
Then they say “It seemed like the kind of leaking Bush often said he detests.”
Not clear
What was happening that summer is now causing the WH headaches.
Clip of WH briefing.
Reporter asking “Wasn’t the NIE still classified?” [when scooter spoke to Miller]
Scottie saying “you are going back to an assertion related to an ongoing legal proceeding … I can’t do that…blah, blah, blah”
NPR “Pres has always scolded leakers.”
Then clip of Scottie saying there is a dif between “good leaks” and “bad leaks” blah, blah, blah
Clip of Reid saying only the pres can answer these questions not a spokesperson.
Brooks and Corn “when is a leak not a leak.”
Seems to be the question of the day!
And it seems that the Pres never read the full NIE doc – 90 pages and just too much for him!
I just had to post this because I liked the title …. ‘Throw Scooter from the Train’.
http://www.slate.com/id/2139515/
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Firing Fitz would be cause for insurrection absent a swift, effective shitstorm reaction from Congress.
Of course Fitz is gonna get fired.
W is the Unitary Executive.
Have y’all been paying attention?
ABC News: “Leak-Hating President, As Leaker”
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Poli…..amp;page=1
i have a question.
fitzgerald has been very careful and rather bland is what he has released to the public (or more precisly, what he knows the public will be able to read in court documents) until recently.
he has to know that the facts in this latest court document would have a major impact on the bush presidency.
so why did he do it?
why tell the public now that bush authorized libby’s leaking to miller, et al.?
what is fitzgerals after?
is he tired of libby’s lawyers playing cames with him and the court?
any guesses?
Teddy San Fran:
It’s a possibility.
I’m starting to get that old “Saturday Night Massacre” feeling.
I remember coming home from a date on Saturday night back in the early 1970’s and I flicked on the tube and damned if Tricky Dick hadn’t fired a whole bunch of people and replaced them.
It couldn’t wait until Monday morning, I remember thinking.
Archibald Cox, we bow in your general direction.
Wrt Fitz getting fired. Imo, They would promote him out of the case instead.
Btw, Popcorn anyone?
President Bush been exposed as a snake oil salesman, whose holier than thou attitude about leakers was designed to hide the fact that — all along — he’s been pulling the strings behind the scenes as the Leaker-in-Chief.
Brilliant, Christy.
Reminds me of when I heard a bit of the Cheney interview on NPR a few weeks back, and he was claiming that the reason they couldn’t consult with Congress about the domestic spying program was that they would have had to brief 200 people, and they were concerned with maintaining secrecy.
To which I yelled at the radio “almost all the leaks have been from the Executive Branch, from people who were concerned about illegal actions, so if you were really primarily concerned about maintaining secrecy, the best thing to do would be not to do anything illegal!
“Whether ours shall be a government of laws and not of men is now for Congress and ultimately the American people.”
Archibald Cox, October, 1973.
…and it was that odious toad Robert Bork that finally stuck the knife in Archibald Cox for President Nixon.
TeddySanFran says: “W is the Unitary Executive.”
April 7th, 2006 at 3:16 pm
What will Dick Cheney have to say about that?
speaking of toadys – new thread
New thread. Something to do with stamps.
New thread: Where’s the Stamp? (No, not the rubber stamp.)
Of course Fitz is gonna get fired — W is the Unitary Executive.
I’m not so sure — if I were Fitz, I’d present my letter of appointment to the judge, and and for a ruling to stay the firing.
AFAIK, the preznit can’t fire the AG, since they have been confirmed by Congress. Most Cabinet Secretaries willingly tender their resignations when asked, but firing them is an entirely different matter.
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Time.com…Goopers spinning wildly:
“If a former adviser’s testimony is wrong and President Bush did not authorize the leak of intelligence information to counter attacks from a critic of the Iraq war, the White House isn’t saying so. In fact, the President’s men are laying the groundwork for defending the disclosure in case the testimony by I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Cheney, turns out to be accurate.
The Republican National Committee asserted in a fact sheet titled “Dems’ Declassification Hypocrisy” that Democrats were falsely attacking the President “for ‘leaking’ information that was declassified legally and appropriately.”…
Again, why didn’t Bush simply hold a Presser and wave the “Wilson-is-full-of-shit” NIE info in the air and then hand out redacted copies to the media en masse, if it was SO friggin’ appropriate and exigent? Why the need to stonewall, obstruct, evade, and lie for 3 years?
Asked and answered.
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John and Martha Mitchell!!!! Do you remember Martha on the covers of all the mags? Nasty divorce or some such and she called reporters claiming that John was drugging her or somesuch. It was so long ago my memory is foggy.
OMG while I was typing that I got a fund raising phone call from te Democratic National Committee. All their calls are recorded and I CHEWED them out for the cowardice and lack of leadership of the congress-persons, and said that when the dems in congress can garner some courage to begin to speak truth to power, then I will be happy to support them but until that happens, they will never see another nickle from me. They are trying to raise &8 mil.
I got so mad, I am still shaking! I told them to support Feingold, to get to the bottom of the NSA spying and to call Bush on the carpet hard re leaking national “secrets” for political purposes.
Thanks Jane and Christy, you’re the hostesses with the Mostesses.
Ah, I missed my big heaping helping of of Plamegate red meat these last few months. Nice to know Fitz is firing up the grill again. I like my NeoCon Well Done. And I just love the taste of Smoked Wingnuttia a la Chickenhawk with a good white whine.
And as an added bonus appetizer, there’s lots of Media Crow to go around. Hmm, good.
That’s right folks, Crow, the Other White Meat.
Bustednuckles – Yes, that’s it. A promotion. And the Medal of Freedom. Geez, who wouldn’t fall for that? Well, me for one. And I’m not as smart as Fitz. Don’t get me wrong, they WILL try it. It’s like clock work watching these thugs.
I know this is EPU territory, but it seems this stuff should stay here.
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ck – 36
The filings (including the Affidavits by Comey and Fitzgerald) in the Motion to Dismiss Response indicate that the chain runs McNulty to Margolis to Fitzgerald. So the other thing that can happen is McNulty can transfer the supervision back from Margolis to McNulty and then McNulty can revoke or otherwise modify the delegation to Fitzgerald. When I raised, this before, a couple of posters (I think EPU and immanentize???) were definite enough that they did not think such a thing would happen (a la Sat night massacre) that they pretty much reassured me.
One of the things I love best about this filing is that Fitz made the defense BEG for it and then, whammo, gave ‘em what they asked for.
looseheadprop65
That’s for sure! I’m wondering if some of what has been sealed in prior filings is going to come out now?
libbys’ “lie’ was that he heard first from reporters about the identity of Valerie PLame. Does his testimony that he was acting to disseminate classfied information under the direction of the Veep and preznit undermine that assertions.
It seems they sort of changed horses in mid stream.. Now they are saying, “Well, I did do it, but i was just following orders.” This sounds like the Ollie North defense.
“Ron Reagan (the good one) opined that no Repubs are sticking up for the Leaker-in-Chief but maybe McCain will step up to the plate…”
“Don’t forget Leiberman.”
Oh yeah! Please Senator Lieberman, PLEEEEASE defend your bestest friend in the whole world! Oh god, would I fucking LOVE to see that!
…Lamont wouldn’t even need to campaign if that happened!
Not to say I’m not happy Libby has decided to throw Bush and Cheney under a bus, I am! How though, does this help his defemse against the actual charges?
mary,
your back! I’ve been looking for you here.
I totally agree with you re :motion to dismiss. By insisting that he is an inferior officer, Fitz concedes that he can be fired. (I also posted this in the next thread, before coming back here)
However, if Bush fires him the GOP will suffer at the polls for years. No GOp er is gonna let a lame duck President fire Fitz. If he does, they HAVE to impeach him to save themselves at the polls.
I am not worried about him being fired anytime in the near future from the Sp. Pros. gig.
There are other worse things they can do to retaliate, which I have the brains not to post on the internet. Don’t want to give them any ideas.
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Yo, NSA as you are reading this thread from your bunker at the ATT building in California, know how totally outclassed the criminals you work for are by real men with real integrity.
Stop taking orders from pretend men with pellet guns, do the right thing. Blow the freakin whistle.
The Nazi, “i was only following orders” defense didn’t work in Nuremberg. It won’t help you either after the Bush crime family is out of office.
Think about that as you enjoy reading our emails!
BTW how lucky are the NSA spies who are surely assigned to read this website to have gotten such a fun assignment?
I hope we are witty and entertaining enough for them.
Christy or other legal experts out there:
Does it make a difference if Bush declassifies top secret info and tells Libby to blab to the world…..about something false (Niger yellowcake) vs. something true (can’t give an example – everything they say is false!).
In other words, if Bush was really trying to get information out to the public that was truthful…would Fitz buy that? As opposed to getting Wilson’s credibility crushed – which is perpetuating a falsehood?
Just asking.
59 GSD says:
April 7th, 2006 at 2:21 pm
There must be some puckered assholes at the Whitehouse after the new AP/Ipsos poll with the Chimp sinking into the tank and with the Libby/CIA leak story reaching a new fever pitch.
Bottom line, if there was nothing wrong with what they did…why not just come out right up front and say it is the Presidents perogative.
Sleaze….sleaze…sleaze…
-GSD
granite – heh heh heh, here’s the funny part. See, Bush CAN’T come out and explain anything…..he has clearly demonstrated over and over again that he is above everybody else and owes no one an explanation – much less an apology. It goes completely against his very nature to even consider that which you are suggesting. Nope…can’t be done. I truly believe he would literally implode or spontaneously combust before he would grovel to the little people beneath him. Heh heh heh!!!
The pile of s**t is mind-numbing. Great analysis Redd. If Bush finishes his term, I will be shocked.
Look, if something’s declassified, then it’s public and everyone can see it. This clandestine leaking of selected tidbits doesn’t pass the laugh test. It stinks to high heaven. Procedural questions aside, one can’t just clandestinely tell one reporter selected facts extracted from secret documents and call it a declassification. That’s bullshit.
It looks like Bush’s defense of his actions is basically that he is a King, and everything he does is legal. That kind of thinking needs to be resisted vigorously. If we don’t roll back the fascist power grab by our government, there will be a very violent civil war right here, very soon.
Christy, Christy!!! You go girl! That was wonderful. Hell, I had printed the whole document out yesterday at work and spent my lunch hour reading and highlighting it for the pure and utter joy it gave me. You can’t imagine how delighted I was to see you cover each and every point I had highlighted for myself. Yeah, I know, I’m no attorney, just clearly nuts for spending an lunch hour like that.
A quick question. On page two Fitz says:
“The government also is currently in the process of providing defendant with additional discovery concerning his morning intelligence briefings during the periods of June 7-14,2003, October 12-16,2003, November 24-28,2003, March 3-7,2003, and March 22-26,2003, pursuant to the Court ’s Order of March 10,2006.”
This is in relation to the PDB’s (Book Three) that the judge is allowing to be used to show Libby’s “busy” schedule, no? The bare bones of what was allowed. Did I read correctly in the judge’s order that the administration had until April 7th to argue this, i.e. claim “national security” and withhold them thus shutting down the investigation? And since today came and went without such, are we past the worries of greymail and the case getting shut down?
I look forward to the day that Bush and his whole administration are accountable for all their crimes. In the meantime however, I would really like too see a reporter say to Scott.
Scott did you know that you are no longer considerd credible and are being called Bagdad Scott because everyone thinks your a joke just like Bagdad Bob was?
I would laugh til my sides split if that happend and was a constant replay on all the news networks.
PS: I am not a Troll. It just took me 10 hours to catch up from yesterday. My time online is generally short so between reading FDL first like I always do, I also read several other blogs. However, FDL is the best thing on the web I have found.
Thank you Christy and Redd for all the time and effort you put in to bring us the truth. It is greatly appreciated.
PS: I hope I don’t get EPU’d.
Dear Christy,
I realize, only now, after reading III again, that my comment (eleven) basically parrots what’s implied by your vivisection of Fitzgerald’s filing. Please accept my apology. I had no intention of simply paraphrasing your post. I mean it.
The “I was too busy to remember this” argument has a certain amount of tension with the “this was a unique circumstance requiring presidential approval and a review by a national security law expert” before the dimly recalled conversation.
It’s interesting that they’d even raise the former with the latter on the record. IANAL, but that seems pretty desperate to me.
Just wondering, since we can’t get McClellan to answer a simple, straight question, can’t we just ask Judy Miller to confirm once again the date of her conversation with Libby?
I know it is asking the obvious, but at least we would have a date that is clearly earlier than when he said the information was declassified on 7/18/03.
Thanks and keep up the great work!
John Forde (Comment 3), wouldn’t these officials/attorneys be prosecution-related?
Today’s Huffington Post has Seymour Hersh’s article, “The Iran Plans,” published in the upcoming issue of The New Yorker, stating the “Bush Administration has…intensified planning for a possible major air attack.” Frightening report and one not to be doubted.