Comments on: Hey, Team Libby…(Part II) http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:12:30 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Tom http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-60229 Tom Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:53:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-60229 <p>Hmmmm #23 wasn’t mine. Possibly some other “Tom”. In any case, his question (in so far as it was a question rather than an assertion) is an interesting one, but one that both Cristy and Fitz have answered. In his TV presentation on the indictment of Libby, Fitz made the point that in the end, it doesn’t matter which crime Libby is convicted of. The public interest is served either way.</p> <p>U.S. laws against divulging classified information or identities of spies are rather complex. Some of them require proof of intent, which is always difficult. So Fitz is going with his better case, and hoping to get the goods on bigger fish.</p> Hmmmm #23 wasn’t mine. Possibly some other “Tom”. In any case, his question (in so far as it was a question rather than an assertion) is an interesting one, but one that both Cristy and Fitz have answered. In his TV presentation on the indictment of Libby, Fitz made the point that in the end, it doesn’t matter which crime Libby is convicted of. The public interest is served either way.

U.S. laws against divulging classified information or identities of spies are rather complex. Some of them require proof of intent, which is always difficult. So Fitz is going with his better case, and hoping to get the goods on bigger fish.

]]> By: George A. http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59850 George A. Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:18:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59850 <p>For Tom #23</p> <p>Mrs. Plames job was to protect your ass from WMD’s and Nukes. Since she was outed and her covert operation shutdown she can no longer do that.</p> <p>I guess now that you can be gassed or nuked. Does this make you feel safer now? I hope not. Maybe the next sarrin nerve gas attack will be in your home town right next too your house.</p> <p>Pleasent dreams Troll.</p> For Tom #23

Mrs. Plames job was to protect your ass from WMD’s and Nukes. Since she was outed and her covert operation shutdown she can no longer do that.

I guess now that you can be gassed or nuked. Does this make you feel safer now? I hope not. Maybe the next sarrin nerve gas attack will be in your home town right next too your house.

Pleasent dreams Troll.

]]> By: Thread Theorist http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59600 Thread Theorist Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:39:45 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59600 <p>Scarecrow #60, excellent list. One thing to add is that late one afternoon in Texas VP Cheney shot an old man in the face, and didn’t think to let the public know about it, or be interviewed by the police, until the next day. And the victim had a mild heart attack after that. Froggermarch may have read about this as it was covered a bit in the media.</p> <p>One question I would pose to Scotty M: When Libby disclosed the declassified (?) parts of the NIE to Miller, was this on background with sources not to be revealed? Actually Ms. Miller could answer that question. If the NIE disclosure was on background, can anyone quote a precedent where classified information has been declassified, but the source of the declassification was being kept secret. I want to know how close to Alice-in-Wonderland we have reached.</p> Scarecrow #60, excellent list. One thing to add is that late one afternoon in Texas VP Cheney shot an old man in the face, and didn’t think to let the public know about it, or be interviewed by the police, until the next day. And the victim had a mild heart attack after that. Froggermarch may have read about this as it was covered a bit in the media.

One question I would pose to Scotty M: When Libby disclosed the declassified (?) parts of the NIE to Miller, was this on background with sources not to be revealed? Actually Ms. Miller could answer that question. If the NIE disclosure was on background, can anyone quote a precedent where classified information has been declassified, but the source of the declassification was being kept secret. I want to know how close to Alice-in-Wonderland we have reached.

]]> By: John Casper http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59564 John Casper Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:16:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59564 <p>“Shrub meet Cherry Tree”<br /> <a href="http://www.derenegade.blogspot.com/">http://www.derenegade.blogspot.com/</a></p> “Shrub meet Cherry Tree”
http://www.derenegade.blogspot.com/

]]> By: John Casper http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59551 John Casper Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:03:47 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59551 <p>Sorry, somewhat off topic:<br /> Just received this in an email from ACLU:<br /> “Dear John,<br /> Americans are refusing to stand by silently and let the government’s illegal spying programs go on unquestioned and unauthorized. I’m writing to ask you to add your voice by participating in our next live National Town Hall meeting on spying, secrecy and presidential power.<br /> On Tuesday, April 11, you can go online and tune in to our live forum in Denver, Colorado, where I will be joined by several distinguished panelists, including Bruce Fein, former Deputy Attorney General under President Reagan, former Colorado Senator and presidential candidate Gary Hart, and Mark Silverstein, ACLU of Colorado Legal Director. Dottie Lamm, the former first lady of Colorado, will moderate the event.<br /> On Tuesday, you can tune in live and submit your own questions for the panel by going to:<br /> <a href="http://www.aclu.org/presidentialpower">http://www.aclu.org/presidentialpower</a><br /> The event begins at 6 p.m. PDT/9 p.m. EDT. Experts from both sides of the aisle will discuss the controversy surrounding the Bush Administration’s program of illegal spying on Americans, and take questions from web audience members and live in Denver.<br /> Together, our panel and live and online audience will break through the misinformation coming from the White House and address questions regarding the president’s violation of constitutional authority and federal law.<br /> I hope you’ll join us live next Tuesday evening at 9 EDT/6 PDT:<br /> <a href="http://www.aclu.org/presidentialpower">http://www.aclu.org/presidentialpower</a><br /> You can also watch a video archive of our February 20 National Town Hall. View the discussion, sign our Demand for the Truth and add your own comment to our call for an end to illegal spying on Americans. Selected questions and comments will be read live during the April 11 Town Hall.<br /> Please join us then, and I hope you’ll invite your friends to tune in as well. Thanks as always for your participation and support.”<br /> FWIW, Christy, I’m not sure who is doing PR/communications for the Kos Panel, but all the people mentioned in this email might appreciate an invitation?</p> Sorry, somewhat off topic:
Just received this in an email from ACLU:
“Dear John,
Americans are refusing to stand by silently and let the government’s illegal spying programs go on unquestioned and unauthorized. I’m writing to ask you to add your voice by participating in our next live National Town Hall meeting on spying, secrecy and presidential power.
On Tuesday, April 11, you can go online and tune in to our live forum in Denver, Colorado, where I will be joined by several distinguished panelists, including Bruce Fein, former Deputy Attorney General under President Reagan, former Colorado Senator and presidential candidate Gary Hart, and Mark Silverstein, ACLU of Colorado Legal Director. Dottie Lamm, the former first lady of Colorado, will moderate the event.
On Tuesday, you can tune in live and submit your own questions for the panel by going to:
http://www.aclu.org/presidentialpower
The event begins at 6 p.m. PDT/9 p.m. EDT. Experts from both sides of the aisle will discuss the controversy surrounding the Bush Administration’s program of illegal spying on Americans, and take questions from web audience members and live in Denver.
Together, our panel and live and online audience will break through the misinformation coming from the White House and address questions regarding the president’s violation of constitutional authority and federal law.
I hope you’ll join us live next Tuesday evening at 9 EDT/6 PDT:
http://www.aclu.org/presidentialpower
You can also watch a video archive of our February 20 National Town Hall. View the discussion, sign our Demand for the Truth and add your own comment to our call for an end to illegal spying on Americans. Selected questions and comments will be read live during the April 11 Town Hall.
Please join us then, and I hope you’ll invite your friends to tune in as well. Thanks as always for your participation and support.”
FWIW, Christy, I’m not sure who is doing PR/communications for the Kos Panel, but all the people mentioned in this email might appreciate an invitation?

]]> By: TeddySanFran http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59520 TeddySanFran Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:40:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59520 <p>118 I guess if punaise were here, he’d say: [sic] ‘em!</p> 118 I guess if punaise were here, he’d say: [sic] ‘em!

]]> By: Sharon http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59518 Sharon Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:37:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59518 <p>froggermarch, I hope your cat Mr. McBlarneyStone (can’t ‘member his real name, sorry) had a good birthday! Welcome back.</p> froggermarch, I hope your cat Mr. McBlarneyStone (can’t ‘member his real name, sorry) had a good birthday! Welcome back.

]]> By: Cujo359 http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59517 Cujo359 Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:37:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59517 <p>Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 1:17 pm (#109) - No, I didn’t. To me, the act of only declassifying the parts of a document that aren’t embarrassing is tantamount to classifying the parts that are embarrassing, IOW, deliberately choosing not to declassify certain portions is, in itself, a form of classification. I’m used to thinking about things this way - information is supposed to be classified according to criteria based on a number of things, but there’s no justification that I can see for selectively declassifying some information that is all, one presumes, more or less equally sensitive.</p> <p>It’s possible that a lawyer wouldn’t think that way. It could, I suppose, be explained away as an oversight. This may help explain why there’s no big hew and cry about this issue.</p> Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 1:17 pm (#109) – No, I didn’t. To me, the act of only declassifying the parts of a document that aren’t embarrassing is tantamount to classifying the parts that are embarrassing, IOW, deliberately choosing not to declassify certain portions is, in itself, a form of classification. I’m used to thinking about things this way – information is supposed to be classified according to criteria based on a number of things, but there’s no justification that I can see for selectively declassifying some information that is all, one presumes, more or less equally sensitive.

It’s possible that a lawyer wouldn’t think that way. It could, I suppose, be explained away as an oversight. This may help explain why there’s no big hew and cry about this issue.

]]> By: Shez http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59515 Shez Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:36:19 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59515 <p>Hi froggermarch! Nice to see you at long last.</p> <p>As to the misspelling of ‘relevant’, it’s the cut and paste version from the PDF file, not Christy doing it.</p> Hi froggermarch! Nice to see you at long last.

As to the misspelling of ‘relevant’, it’s the cut and paste version from the PDF file, not Christy doing it.

]]> By: P J Evans http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59514 P J Evans Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:35:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/07/hey-team-libbypart-ii/#comment-59514 <p>I think the maladministration is seriously underestimating the number of people in this country who have run into classified stuff at one or another time, for whatever reason. If we-the-people can understand that Leaks Are Bad and declassifying purely for political reasons is a no-no, surely the maladministration should understand it … unless they’re really as clueless as they appear to be this week.</p> <p>I notice that far too many of the MSM reports have it as ‘Libby said that Bush said it was OK’, rather than the correct ‘Libby said that <i>Cheney said that</i> Bush said …’. I strongly suspect that Shrub didn’t have a clue before it hit the news; the whole thing was run out of OVP.</p> I think the maladministration is seriously underestimating the number of people in this country who have run into classified stuff at one or another time, for whatever reason. If we-the-people can understand that Leaks Are Bad and declassifying purely for political reasons is a no-no, surely the maladministration should understand it … unless they’re really as clueless as they appear to be this week.

I notice that far too many of the MSM reports have it as ‘Libby said that Bush said it was OK’, rather than the correct ‘Libby said that Cheney said that Bush said …’. I strongly suspect that Shrub didn’t have a clue before it hit the news; the whole thing was run out of OVP.

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