
While the above sign does pretty much sum up the Fitzgerald response brief, there are a whole lot of interesting tidbits that I know everyone wants to discuss and analyze. So I’m not going to stop here. But I did want to emphasize that the discovery process is limited to those pieces of information which are material to the charges within the four corners of the indictment and such material as is helpful to the defendant in his defense of these charges. Anything else is not relevent. Period.
Despite this, defense attorneys routinely ask for as much information as they can possibly think of, hoping against hop to get a prosecutor who will hand it over. Of course they do — wouldn’t you, under the circumstances? And prosecutors routinely fight requests for information which they feel are burdensome, irrational and designed to just be a pain for their offices. Of course they do — wouldn’t you?
But none of this gets to the real, meaty, strategery contained within this particular Fitz response. And I know that is what everyone is really wanting, so without further ado…
Before we get into any substantive analysis, I just want to say for the record that Patrick Fitzgerald and his legal team write a helluva brief, with just enough snark to keep a girl going into the wee hours. Truly some great work — sometimes, as an attorney, you just have to sit back and marvel at someone else’s work product. I say "Fitz" in terms of the writing and filing for brevity’s sake in my article, but there is an entire team of lawyers and investigators who work on these motions and this investigation, and they ought to be commended for the professionalism and commitment to the rule of law that they have shown. Each and every one of them. And I just wanted to say that for the record.
On Page 1 of the Fitz Motion Response (PDF), we discover that the government has already turned over more than 12,300 pages of classified and unclassified documents, has an additional 1400 pages of handwritten Libby notes ready to turn over for transliteration, and it preparing a whole slew of summaries for the PDBs as the Judge ordered for consideration. Fitz goes on to argue on Page 2 that the remaining issues of contention on discovery amount to the defendant attempting to end-run the usual rules (Rule 16 specifically — see here for the text of the rule and here for commentary – and attendant case law) in order to obtain what is called "open file" discovery — or where the defendant and his counsel simply get to rummage through everything the prosecutor has, no matter how irrelevent it may be to the case at bar. This is not what the case law and the normal procedures require, and not what ought to be done.
On Page 2, Fitz refers to the pending Libby discovery motions as "miscellaneous additional discovery." (which was really funny about 11:30 last night, btw) And he reminds Team Libby that under the Criminal Rules of Procedure Rule 16(a)(1)(E), the information requested must be "material to the preparation of the defense" and that an abstract relationship to its preparation is insufficient. (p. 3)
Accordingly, there is no general Rule 16 right to broadly fish through the government’s investigative file simply because the defendant makes a "conclusory allegation" of materiality. (p. 4)
This argument is repeated throughout the motion response. And Fitz gets right to the heart of things, and manages to poke at everyone else who is hanging out there in the wind in the unfinished, ongoing portion of the investigation.
Allowing defendant to attempt to replicate the government’s investigation is particularly inappropriate because the government’s investigation was broader in scope than the charges ultimately brought in the indictment. (p. 5)
Fitz goes on to nail Team Libby’s ass to the wall by citing the Court’s own opinion to back up his argument. And he pointedly refers Team Libby to "the backdrop of limited charges in this indictment" (emphasis mine) which are perjury, false statements and obstruction – which raises the big question in my mind as to whether there is more to come for Scooter and his cohorts. Kudos to reader rwcole for his early theory on Fitz’s limiting the charges in this indictment as a firewall to the rest of his ongoing investigation — I think it’s fairly clear that rw was on to something.
And then comes this huge shot across the bow:
Some documents produced to defendant could be characterized as reflecting a plan to discredit, punish or seek revenge against Mr. Wilson. (p. 7)
Well, unless Scooter has been doing lots of planning all by himself (unlikely), it sure sounds like our boy Pat is sitting on some more evidence that he has plans for himself, doesn’t it? Talk about your wake-up call to everyone still hanging out there at the same time he administers a Team Libby smack. And shorter Fitz on the Colin Powell mumblings from Libby: oh, on your casting of aspersions, I call bullshit. (Truly, page 7 is worth a thorough read.)
There is also a consistent bit in the footnotes that is meant as a subtle jab at the lawyers for Libby. I point this out only because lawyers tend to have big egos (especially the high priced ones) and this sort of jab, despite being in the footnotes, would carry a bit of a public sting in this case. On page 7, in fn. 3, there is a sort of "Oh, by the way, sloppy lawyering in your motion, considering you misnumbered and mislabeled things. Just wanted you to know that I noticed. Ahem."
Fitz then moves on to the argument regarding discovery requests for those witnesses that Team Libby has identified as probable for the government — and he pretty much undercuts their claims on a number of them.
Because the government does not intend at this time to call three of these individuals — Mr. Tenet, Mr. Hadley and Mr. Rove — defendant is not entitled to discovery based on the need to cross examine those individuals. (p. 9)
Not to get anyone’s hopes up or anything, but most prosecutors do not like to call as a witness people they intend to indict. It leaves them open to impeachment on the stand during cross examination, because defense counsel have clear evidence of wrongdoing in the behavior that led to their indictment to lay out for the jury. I’m just saying.
There is so much more — and the meatiest bits are yet to come in Part II. Trying not to overwhelm everyone all at once this morning.



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Fitz again!
LOL!–a pain in the office, oh yeah…
wow, Christy, wow. Yippee!
Morning FDL’ers. OT but important, from the BBC:
“Baghdad mosque attack ‘kills 51′
The carnage comes a day after warnings of attacks on mosques At least 51 people have been killed and 158 injured in an apparent triple suicide bomb attack on a key Shia mosque in Baghdad, police have said.
The blasts happened as worshippers were leaving the Buratha mosque in the north of the city after Friday prayers.”
Re Christy’s previous post:
Steve Clemons has a good post up as to how all this affects the cases of other past, present and future leakers, such as Larry Franklin.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..001337.php
sorry to clutter up the comment section with a techy question, but when I visit this site most of the field at your site is blank. i need to scroll to the extreme left of the screen (no pun intended) to locate the articles and comment section. everything to the right (again, i’m not making a joke) is just blank. is this a standard problem with the new website? is there anything i can adjust on my ‘puter to solve this? i’ve got a 17in screen (and a Mac) so can anyone help? thanks
Thanks so much for the analysis Christy. You’ve made it so much easier to get at the filing (I’m applying to law schools now and your analysis is a huge inspiration for me).
It’s also really reassuring to see that Fitz and his team are so intelligent, so thorough, and so devoted. Maybe in the end the hardcore partisans amongst us are disappointed by the absence of charges against Cheney or Bush as of yet, but Fitz has comported himself in such a way that I have no doubts justice is being served.
Looking forward to Part II…
Libby’s team brought knives to the gunfight.
OT but satisfying: Tom Tancredo and Jim Sensenbrenner and other ‘Nativists’ will be gnashing their teeth – it looks like no immigration bill will be forthcoming from the Senate. Si se puede! El pueblo unido jamas seran vencido…
I can’t help but think this is awful similar to IranContra, not Watergate. A lot of murky water, national security issues, and the name Bush, for starters.
I think we are witnessing the formation of the “greymail” defense. This would explain the reluctance of any republican to begin an investigation. They saw this before and they understand their role. It is important that we keep pushing for the truth, at least we have the internet this time around.
a bit OT, but given the recent HSD allegations, and the WH theory that Bush has the inherent authority to do anything… does Bush have the inherent authority to take your young child and use him or her for sex?
I think the answer must be yes. Remember the question about whether Bush had the inherent authority to order someone to step on a child’s testicles to pressure a parent to talk? The answer to that one was yes (Congressional testimony).
I don’t think “inherent authority” means “Republican Presidents get to do whatever they want”, but then again, I’m not a Berkeley law professor.
Christy said: “Trying not to overwhelm everyone all at once this morning.”
You already have. Thanks!
Just one thing: I don’t understand this sentence:
“It leaves them open to impeachment on the stand during cross examination, because defense counsel have clear evidence of wrongdoing in the behavior that led to their indictment to lay out for the jury.”
(sorry, just reposting from end of last thread – thoughts?)
Just standing back for a minute, and I haven’t been able to read as much as i’d like today …. i caught this from the WAPO:
“Once the disclosure of Plame’s name became the target of an investigation, Libby ‘implored White House officials’ to issue a statement exonerating him, according to Fitzgerald’s account. When he was rebuffed, Libby requested that Cheney intervene. He also wrote a draft statement by hand, asserting that he ‘did not leak classified information.’â€
And over at War and Piece, Laura Rozen says “Doesn’t seem such a statement was forthcoming.â€
Doesn’t that heavily imply that the WH knew FULL WELL that Libby had leaked. Either they knew he had leaked and didn’t want to get caught in a complete lie by having Scotty issue the statement that he wanted, or didn’t know he had leaked classified material so had no reason to reject the wording he requested.
Does that make sense?
Another OT: DeLay backers heckle Lampson during news conference
http://www.statesman.com/searc…..mpson.html
(reqs reg)
[quote]
“Let’s give Lampson a parting shot that wrecks his press conference,” read a mass e-mail to supporters by DeLay campaign manager Chris Homan.
[/quote]
mmm tasty legal analysis. Lovin’ it :)
“Not to get anyone’s hope up” Hahaha. This week has been an incredible one in terms of falling dominoes and I’m really trying hard not to go dance in the street. The way things are going, I’m afraid it will all come down to a bunch of old white men saying “So what” and everyone moves on. Do you know anything about Fitz’s schedule? Is he coming to DC anytime soon?
This is why I read the foreign press:
BBC Online Headline: “Bush under pressure in leak row”.
WaPo NI: “Race, Politics, Hair-They’re All Briaded Together” (re: Rep. McKinnley Hair)
Thanks Brady, I can die happy now…
mad props to rwcole – I remember that and remember it had a loud ring of authenticity -
which brings me back to what my son the chess player was saying yesterday – Fitz apparently can see at least 4 or 5 moves ahead of Team Libby – and I thought Ted Wells was supposed to be god’s own Criminal Def. Atty, esp in Natl Sec cases (although he may be hampered by having to rely on Scooter)
as one of the least lawyerly among us, I strongly suspect the boilerplate for the next Govt. Responses/Filings has already been prepared – awaiting only names and dates. Oh yeah, bring that!
Can’t wait for episode 2, Christy. This is just like Star Wars, only better!!
I have what may be a silly, procedural question about all of the data that Fitz and his team have amassed. How many copies of what they’ve collected are there? Are they stored on disk and hard copy? How many involved are likely to have access to this data?
Obviously my concern is that the fascists start to get heavy handed and God forbid something happens to Fitz, his computers, his team, et al.
I would love to know if there are contingencies, replication of the data, a backup? Apologies if this has been addressed.
Excellent!!
What a delicious friday treat. I can’t wait for the rest.
Oh, Christy, don’t hold back, go ahead and overwhelm us!!
I loved the footnote where Fitz corrects Team Libby on the structure of the OP and OVP and on down. I’ll look for it, but it’s great.
Redd,
Thank you for the Fitz/Libby fix this morning.
I was heartened yesterday when Looseheadprop exclaimed OMG on the Fitz post that “the government did not intend to call Tenet.” Today, you emphasized that again. My mind has been running wild on that one. Would Tenet have something to do with the “outing” of Valerie Plame while he was head of CIA?
Can you imagine what is going through his mind on a possible indictment charge? This just keeps getting better and better every day with each new revelation.
daroux says:
April 7th, 2006 at 8:13 am
Daroux, quelle browser are you using? I have best luck with Safari on my mac (OSX 10.2.9). When I had the same issues you are having, with Netscape, it helped to click on the post you want to read from the list on the left side rather than going to the main section. Netscape has since resolved whatever issues it had with the new site and I’m not having too many glitches, but it took several weeks. Good luck
Christy ,
I forgot to thank you for the illuminating posts on this – it allows a non lawyer like me to follow along (albeit w/ 4-5 readings) but through your efforts and the comments I do get it
Today’s Note reveals that the MSM has finally figured out this is a big story:
If Libby is in fact making this claim, it begs many questions: What did Bush and Cheney tell Fitzgerald on this point when they gave statements? How long have White House officials known about Libby’s alleged testimony? Will anyone else tell a new story? Can Libby ever be pardoned now? As a political matter, can the case actually go to trial?
At some point, whether the White House stays silent or not, Republicans on Capitol Hill are going to get nervous about this as a possible issue in the midterm elections. These folks are on many reporters’ speed dial: Hagel, LaHood, and Shays.
Oh yeah, and Tweety on Today said this story was “nearly a 10″ on a scale of 1 to 10.
Sorry, OT again, but if you didn’t hear about this tale of life in a country with a total ban on abortions (El Salvador), you won’t believe it.
http://alternet.org/blogs/peek/34576/
Intelligence is for policy making, not smear campaigns.
lemond10
Tweety didn’t say “nearly a 10″. He said something like “rapidly approaching a 10″. I like this even more!
For once Tweety was making sense.
Also wanted to compliment both EPU and Mary whose responses to that troll OCWhateva yesterday were worth the price of admission (that would be reading the entire thread :) EPU with his spot on explanation of INTENT in the commission of a crime and Mary’s conclusion that it’s not that difficult to tell the difference between good and evil if you try. Thanks to both of you.
Hey, you don’t get a catchphrase named in your honor for nothing.
Redd, I wonder if you know? Was FDL the first place to use the term “Team Libby”.
Does anybody know is that term being widely used anywhere else?
And speaking of Gooper Filth . . .
didn’t want to sully my thanks to Christy w/ this, but I ran across something this am beautifully illustrative of how low they can go
and the level of delusion it takes to get there
Gilliard has a post on Weldon taking after the Ret. Admiral’s 5 year old with the malignant brain tumor -
In the comments, this gooper slime citing stats on childhood killers, actually blames the Admiral for running for office while his child is sick – I kid you not. of course, he’s a concern troll stating maybe the admiral didn’t know how serious it was blah blah blah -
unfriggin’ believable
Thanks for the “Fitz Briefs for Dummies” series. This dummy sorely requires the crib notes version, as advancing age and obstreperousness make for bad obstacles to basic understanding. You are doing a heckuva job lifting the scales from my bloodshot eyes.
OT
Read this carefully:
Trial.Lawyer.Richard said…
This blog reports many “media freedom” issues. I think this one is a very big deal. The GOP just voted to allow major restrictions to be placed on all internet traffic in the U.S. What you need to understand it that this is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from anything that has happened before. What the GOP is permitting is “traffic charges†which would be in addition to the charges, if any, imposed by the internet site. You would be charged just for using the internet, just like your phone company charges you for using your telephone. For example, there could be a traffic charge of one dollar put on downloading music FROM ANYWHERE. In effect, you would be charged just to get to iTunes. Then iTunes would charge you on top of the traffic charge for their music.
How can they do this? Cisco Systems has developed internet routers that actually READ THE TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING BY. In addition to the multiple personal liberties problems that exist with this, it allows your internet company (Comcast Cable, Adelphia, SBC, etc.) to know what type of thing you are using the internet for (it reads the “packets†in your transmission) and to charge you for it.
Once this Pandora’s Box of “pay per use†or “pay per type of use†internet is opened, everything can change. Democratic Representative Markey said: “this will fundamentally change the internet†for the worse. The GOP caved in to the big media company and telecom lobbyists and passed this horrible bill:GOP Votes To Allow Pay Per Use Internet
The Telecom Company Lobbyists have long pressured the GOP to make the internet just like the old “Bell Telephone System.” What the Telecoms feared is the multiple free things that the public could do over the internet. They especially feared the free Internet Telephone services like Vonage and Skype. The Telecoms dreamed of the day when they could charge you for using the internet (not just a monthly charge for the hookup, a pay per type of traffic charge or pay per use charge).
Well, thanks to the GOP and their K Street Lobbyist friends, that day will soon arrive.
All of you should be FURIOUS about this.
Rich
Thank you so much for providing such rich context, Christy!
Back the KISS meme. I have a question that might sound dumb if it weren’t so obvious. Why did Libby (and presumably others?) lie to the FBI and later to the GJ and the special prosecuter if all they had to say was “yes I told so & so, such and such, and furthermore I did it with presidential authorization!” Why lie to law enforcement if they think the pres has the authority to declassify anything at any time?
Yes, it was about the 2004 election, but that said, what sort of deep conversations/schemes/strategies were behind all this? Because I really really doubt that Libby would’ve set himself up to take the fall as he did, unless for some reason he believed that he would be rescued by Bush.
This part is really perplexing. And I am wondering if an undercurrent to all of this is that at some point Libby has/will himself become a whistleblower to save his own hide? Does the Missus Libby have anything to say about this?
The footnote I mentioned above is on p33, fn. 12.
Yesterday I mentioned that I spoke to my son in NM. We were both online and he was saying all he ahd been reading were computer geek articles. He logged on to FDL and found me in seconds in the comments (my name here is pretty transparent). I told him to check it out, that it was like reading a really long spy novel!
“Fitz Briefs for Dummies†good phrase!
(and I bet they are tighty whiteys too)
Weldon’s office has already said that he was tricked by Sestak (how I don’t know). I fully expect Weldon to be demanding an apology from Sestak.
I also was pleased with out OCsteve was handled yesterday. When you get one that has a little grey matter, its very satisfying to see him use that grey matter to determine that he is being made a fool of, and then leave.
As much as I would really like to believe scooter I am reminded that his TEAM has suggested that he has a medical condition (poor memory) which has given him cover to make things up in an effort to cover his bad memory. Now, let’s assume this is the case. How much of this new stuff is delusional? Is it the ramblings of a sick man? I already know the chimp and darth are LIARs even without this. If true, however, the NIE can be explained as simple hard thug politics (read rove). In any event, I have enough info to investigate/impeach/indict/convict/incarcerate/execute. Had enough? (thanks Teddy)
OT but a little ray of sunshine in Afghanistan– vive la France!
KABUL (AFP) – In destitute
Afghanistan, where hospitals sometimes have the air of a medieval hospice, the French Medical Institute for the Child in Kabul looks like something from another world with its latest medical equipment and sparkling cleanliness.
This week a team of French doctors there performed an open heart operation on a young Afghan girl aged 13, a procedure beyond the capacity of any other hospital in the country ruined by more than 25 years of war.
The hospital — to be formally opened Saturday by Bernadette Chirac, wife of the French president — is the creation of a French non-government group Enfants Afghans (Afghan Children) formed in the aftermath of the Taliban regime.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20…..0407064817
So I guess it’s comfirmed that Bush has the “inherent authority†to give aid and comfort to terrorist in the name of covering his imperial ass!
good stuff
good start
fitzgerald just keeps on
spinning and weaving
spinning and weaving.
orangejumpsuit #12 — basically, what that means is that Libby’s attorneys could eviscerate a potentially indicted person for their role in the crime, based on what they know from their own client. Which would call their credibility into question — if they were indicted — or cal the prosecutor’s credibility into question, if they hadn’t yet been indicted. If you can make your case without having to rely on a witness like that, you try to do so at all costs. Does that help?
A legal question:
If Libby offers a plea deal, is Fitzgerald completely in charge of whether to accept it. That is, can the judge overrule Fitzgerald and force the plea deal to be accepted?
This is very definitely the moment for Libby to cop a plea. Fitzgerald would never let him do it unless he delivers Cheney/Bush/Rove. But the Judge might.
Scottie’s press conference is up over at TPMM:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000317.php
Christy:
Was your childhood hero Sam Ervin or what? Man, just great insight, info, analyis, deconstruction and just overall solid ‘country lawyer’ work.
OT: Mac users with older versions of Safari would be well advised to download Camino 1.0 (free and open-source; no issues to report during month of use. It’ll run on OS X 10.2.8 thru Tiger.)
OT from last thread. Not only does this WH use selective DeClassification for improper purposes,
My Prediction:
We will learn that it has improperly used Classification to prevent whistleblowers from testifying before Congress.
Two sides of the same coin kiddies.
These are some of THE most imprtant and sacred of all the trusts we place in the President. They must be placed in the President because at a certain point SOMEONE must be in charge and able to make a decision. It is catostrophic when that power is abused because there is virtually no way to prevent it.
I used to prosecute mafia cases. People who murder other people for money or power. I never felt the revulsion that I feel for these criminals.
Everytime I think about the longlasting harm they are doing to almost every federal agency, what they are doing to federal law enforcement which I once regarded as one of the jewels in Lady Liberty’s crown— it just makes me feel like I need a shower. How do w,e as a nation, wash away what these mutts have done?
timewarp 35, I suspect the answer has to do wit the Niger forgeries.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the White House scrupulously avoiding direct mention of these documents by summer of 2003, while at the same time asserting the accuracy of their contents? Isn’t this the dog that didn’t bark? The white House knew the Niger docs were dynamite.. which wouldn’t necessarily follow merely from their being forged. After all, Chalabi gave us a bunch of forged crap through INC, and it wasn’t a big deal when that came out (though it should have been).
Isn’t there something special about the distancing from the Niger docs?
Frist is on TV waving the white flag of surrender on the Immigrant Bill …
Gyro Gear Lose – This is the tiered approach that big business wants to shove down our throat. Is it any surprise that business interests have won over the little people and the net? I don’t know how to stop it. The thugs control everything.
I often read this blog but don’t often post. I have a question and apologize in advance if it has been asked and answered before.
From what I’ve read the president has the authority to declassify information. My question is does he have the authority to declassify for political gain? I don’t know if commonsense plays any part in this but certainly this has to be illegal.
Loosehead 47,
I mentioned the same thing to Steve Clemons a few months ago, and he said he was sure this is the case. For instance, its perfectly clear that Bob Graham knew a lot of stuff about 9/11 which was very damaging to Bush, but he couldn’t say it in public.
That’s why he was red in the face all the time.
Of course, the threats of jail for Senators briefed on the NSA program is another example.
marky 48 — I understand the political motivation behind the leaks and the subsequent efforts to cover them up. What I don’t understand is the legal strategy.
1st Libby flat out lies about what he said to Miller about Plame. But he also testifies that he was authorized by W to release “relevant portions” of the NIE to Miller. I just don’t get why he would lie about one thing and not the other. He is a lawyer and he knows that perjury is serious. I don’t buy that he is dumb enough to perjure himself unless he believed he could a) get away with it or b) he believe that some sort of WH golden parachute would open up and rescue him.
Am I dense? What am I missing here?
The track ahead must go in one direction only — impeachment. If this was Cheney’s wet dream and Shrub had nothing to do with it (fat chance!), Cheney must be impeached. If Shrub was in on the plot, they BOTH must be impeached. It is too dangerous for the country to keep them around.
Let’s ignore arguments and speculations on whether the President has the “power” to unilaterally declassify and “out” a NOC. Humpty-Dumpty can find symbolism even when it’s not there. If we want to get into semantics, let’s state that Bush does not have the “legitimacy” to unilaterally declassify the NIE or to “out” a NOC. Such actions are so beyond the pale that we should not dignify them by using the word “legality” in the same sentence with any Bush action.
Christy Hardin Smith,
You are a tresure of this democracy, a role model of citizenship and professionalism and the 8th wonder of the world….besides that, ya write good (next year’s Kofax).
Thanx again and pleeze get that next post out before I hafta go ta work!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND WE CAN DO THIS!!!
P.S. I don’t have “spellcheck”
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Howie Kurtz has a nice roundup of the press on
President Leaks A Lot.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00587.html
Timewarp,
Remember Libby was first interviewed informally by the FBI before he went into the GJ. I believe that he thought that once he told them the Pres. Had authorized, that they woul go “oops, sorry to have bothered you and back down”. Up until then, Bushco always had folks backing down.
They snowed Comey on the Padilla thing by telling them they had information he wasn’t privy to and they needed him to trust them that it was crucial to the lives and safety of Americans to keep Padilla in the can.
Comey had no negative track record with them at that point and said publicly that he had no choice but to take them at their word.
Of course with him, Bushco later raun inot the “fool me once shame on you. fool me twice….” effect which is why thereafter, Comey had the presence of mind to ask questions and sniff around alternate space when he had trouble getting answers.
Comey appointing Fitz and onjecting to the NSA spying program must had been the kind of shock that just knocks the wind out of a would-be despot. Breathtaking in otherwords.
In Fitz’s filing he explains it. “once the die was cast” the first time Scooter lied, he was stuck with the story and didn’t know how do back out of it.
daroux says:
April 7th, 2006 at 8:13 am
Please tell me more about your computer’s display settings. What is your monitor’s resolution? Is it 1024X768?
OT – The pResident now has a 36% troll JAR.
Timewarp,
I’m saying that a direct link between the White House and the Niger forgeries was being hidden. This is speculative, of course, but this gives a motive commensurate with the risks taken by the White House.
At any rate, the picture is definitely incomplete without consideration o f the White House and the Niger forgeries
Looseheadprop at 47 -
Wow. I hadn’t thought of that but it is likely to be true. Hope the truth comes tumbling out on this as well in the weeks to come.
aborgast at 44
Libby doesn’t “offer” a plea deal. The prosecution does. Libby asks for a plea offer and suggests what it should be. Fitz has no obligation to accept.
Libby can offer to plead guilty to the full indictment but Fitz only has to accept the plea IF IF IF the allocution (confession in court at the time the plea is entered) is satifiactory to Fitz.
The parties CAN litigate the issue of whether the plea allocution is satisfactory and then a judge would decide. That’s rare and only really happens when the Porsecutor is being a jerk. Fitz has never been a jerk
Who is John Galt? #51 -
Assume he has unlimited de-classification power. Why did he not then simply go public to “refute” Wilson (even w/redactions), if it was SO vital to the nation’s interest? Why the necessity to leak it on deep background to Judy Miller? Why?
We know why. This dog just won’t hunt.
OfT: Frist incompetence. Has there been a worse Senate leader in our lifetime? Not that I approve his agenda, but the guy really hasn’t delivered:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/arti…..312D14.DTL
Jay says: (at #30)
Also wanted to compliment both EPU and Mary whose responses to that troll OCWhateva yesterday were worth the price of admission (that would be reading the entire thread :)
Jay, do you remember which thread this is in? I’m not able to locate it.
Has anyone ever put a timeline together of all the various Plame leak conversations between WH operatives and reporters (what are there now – 6? 7? That we know about?) It would be a handy thing to take a look at to refresh hazy memories!
Why was Libby the only one persistantly lying – or not back tracking or (ahem) clarifying (re-mis-remembering) his story later as presumably Rove and Hadley did? Because as it stands now, he is the one who is charged with perjury, when we know that he is not the only one to have either lied or attempted to cover their tracks re the Plame leak.
Was Scooter tricked into becoming the fall guy? Because if he wasn’t “tricked” – that is agreed to stick to his story, then I have a hard time buying that he would do so without believing that he would eventually be saved (hence, his pleading to the WH to help him out…handwritten talking points to Scottie and all).
Angie,
what has happened in the case of the missing NH politico ?
OT (as always from here in Yamato) but
I’ve seen a couple newish names here (I’m an oldish lurker/just sometimes snarker) mention driftglass lately — had to google — WAY killer graphics, you guys, to say the least:: Jane and Christy, you SO VERY might want to use them…need to read some of those long posts to get an angle on the who and how, but, well — the graphics rock y’all…
timewarp and looseheadprop,
A suggestion you can shoot down if I am inaccurate here.
Wouldn’t Libby feel comfortable in talking to the authorities since the timeframe in his early testimony was at a time when Ashcroft was AG and had his backside covered?
I’m on my Treo so I can’t post a link, but please head over to kos to recommend Armando’s diary on our right wing racism series, before it scrolls to oblivion. Thanks!
Christy, thank you for keeping us so well informed on the filings in Plamegate. I wish I had time to read them all, ponder the footnotes, etc. but if I tried my life would grind to a screeching halt. You are always clear, direct and to the point and it is wonderful having this resource available.
How could Cynthia McKinney disrespect the Capitol Hill Police by changing her hairstyle like that?
grrr…. this story makes me crazy!
He’s been found alive cbl– still weird though.
http://www.thebostonchannel.co…..etail.html
blue eyes, go to the “Context” thread (with the sneering Shrub photo). The EPU post was #68 and Mary’s was #97.
looseheadprop at 63:
Thanks, that clarifies things enormously.
My prediction: Libby pleads guilty on all charges…and awaits Presidential pardon.
There is absolutely no way that Rove lets this continue.
Of course, there may be some difference of opinion between Rove and Libby as to the guilty plea. Libby is undoubtedly asking for the pardon before the jail time. That puts Bush in the Clinton/Marc Rich category which Rove may want to do.
So if Libby was in the White House Mess, I’m sure the negotiation is how much time he has to spend in the slame.
Anybody who went to Eaglebrook and Andover should be willing to spend a number of years there, but the prospects when he gets out are not as good…Domenech’s old job at Regnery?
Might I humbly recommend that Looseheadprop, as well as Mary, be allowed to become guest posters? I really look forward to the comments from both.
OfT – I just sent my request to the Karmic Central Clearinghouse, marked both Urgent and Non-negotiable, that in my next life I’m coming back as Driftglass.
Should be “Rove *not* want to do” and “slam” not “slame”…
OT http://thankyouharrytaylor.org
Write your own thank you note to Harry Taylor!
Great article by John Dean today and lots re declassification
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20060407.html
thank you Jay
Apple Canyon 2 #70
Wouldn’t Libby feel comfortable in talking to the authorities since the timeframe in his early testimony was at a time when Ashcroft was AG and had his backside covered?
Yes, of course, as did everyone else who lied. But why didn’t he later back down or “fix” his story, cooperate, etc, etc. Why is HE the one who stuck by his story after Fitz was appointed?
Arbogast stated “Thanks, that clarifies things enormously.
My prediction: Libby pleads guilty on all charges…and awaits Presidential pardon.
There is absolutely no way that Rove lets this continue.”
I think we should pause here to note that we are in the middle stages of discovery and Fitzgerald has already managed to absolutely wreck the Bush administration via a chinese water torture of gradual disclosure in his filings.
As I have stated previously, Fitzgerald has transformed a firewall protecting Bush into a gigantic political liability for Bush, without yet going to trial.
We are so incredibly lucky that Fitz got assigned to this matter. I just hope we all appreciate that.
Not to get anyone’s hopes up or anything, but most prosecutors do not like to call as a witness people they intend to indict.
You are such a TEASE!
#4
http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1…..MP=OTC-RSS
From Gonzales, hints of another spying program
Rep. Adam Schiff, a California Democrat, asked Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a simple question during a House hearing yesterday. Can the president wiretap purely domestic phone calls — phone calls between two people in the United States — without court approval? Easy answer: No. But here was Gonzales’ answer: “I’m not going to rule it out.”
Why not? The president and other officials have repeatedly insisted that their warrantless wiretapping program only applies to people who are making calls from the United States to points outside. So why not just assure us, plainly, that people making calls in the country have nothing to worry about?
[snip]
…”In yesterday’s testimony, Gonzales reiterated earlier hints that there may be another facet to the NSA program that has not been revealed publicly, or even another program that has prompted dissension within the government,” Eggen wrote. At one point, discussing whether some people inside the administration have challenged the spying plan, Gonzales said that those disagreements “did not relate to the program the president disclosed. They related to something else, and I can’t get into that.”
Something else?
- Farhad Manjoo, salon.com
Hmm…Rover & Hadley as targets? Yes, I’d put money on one if not both. Better than 50% odds.
Tenet as target? No, I think this is a firewall move at this point in time; don’t call someone who’d have to rely on classified documents to provide clarification since that would open the door to a barrage of greymail. Less than 50% odds this one’s a target.
Here’s what Kos has to say:
On June 24, 2004, President George W. Bush was interviewed by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald. For 70 minutes, Fitzgerald asked the President about the circumstances surrounding the leak of classified information.
What transpired during those 70 minutes, we don’t know. But I presume that “did you leak the identity of Valerie Plame” wasn’t the only question Fitzgerald asked of the President. Rather, for 70 minutes, the President was likely questioned about many facets of the scandal, including the NIE. Was he questioned about whether he authorized selective leaks? Was he questioned about whether he authorized leaks of the highly sensitive NIE? Given Fitzgerald’s reputation for meticulous questioning, and given the length of the interview, whether the President authorized such disclosures was likely covered.
Even though the President was not under oath during those 70 minutes, he sill had an obligation not to make false statements. All of this, of course, presupposes that Libby is telling the truth when he claims Cheney said Bush authorized the leaks. But the latest revelation, coupled with the President’s brazen insistence in public that leaks of classified information are anathema to his national security philosophy, makes such a question a legitimate one: what did the President represent to Fitzgerald, and is that consistent with the truth?
Whatever the answer, the legal fallout from this will, I anticipate, be minimal. The political fallout, on the other hand, looks to be astounding. As Firedoglake points out, the glaring question is “why”? Americans do not like the idea of leaking national security information to the press, (even if, as TPM points out, the administration doesn’t consider it “leaking” if the President does it). And to authorize leaking that info to settle a vendetta? Well, such use of executive power smacks of a Nixonian breach of the public trust.
Americans deserve to know what the President did and why he did it. Any delay in an explanation only reinforces the belief that this Leaker-in-Chief is hiding from the American the full breadth of his mischievous acts.
Wow, so if Clinton had just said “I got that blowjob for national security reasons, and lied about it to protect the American people”, these Republicans would have just said “fair enough, he has inherent authority to do what’s necessary, and he made a difficult decision for the benefit of the country, and we have to trust him…”?
No? OK, so there is a line… now we have to determine where it is.
It reminds me of the old joke
A- “Would you have sex with me for a million bucks?”
B- “Yes”
A- “would you have sex with me for ten bucks?”
B- “What kind of person do you think I am?”
A- “We’ve already established that, now we’re just haggling over the price”
I love pretty much everything that christy writes.
However, I am dismayed by the tone of this particular post.
I am public defender. I go up against the Government every day and I clerked in the federal system for three years in New York City. The U.S. Attorney offices are the most powerful legal organizations in the world, in my opinion. There is no doubt that they attract the highest quality attorneys. Fitzgerald may reside at the top of that impressive hill, as well.
They simply do not need, or even deserve, our kudos. The Team Libby filings are very creative lawyering. However, their arguments are easily refutable based on the fact that they are unrelated to the charges. And I think anybody who knows anything about criminal law will agree. It may be annoying for the U.S. Attorney’s Office and those who want to see Libby go down (as I certainly do) that these motions are being filed and that the Team Libby arguments are a beautiful mess of obfuscation.
Nevertheless, I have a competing instinct here. As a defense attorney, I love it that Team Libby is making Fitzgerald work. The defense rarely has the resources to take on the Government like Libby is doing here. Fitzgerald’s filings are great lawyering. But if they weren’t, I would be petrified. They have all of the power, the resources and some of the finest minds. If they were anything but spectacular, we would need to worry.
At the same time, through Libby’s creative requests, we get to see more and more of the evidence that Fitzgerald has in his hands. It is fun for us and may lead to further sliding in the polls for Bush.
Further, let’s not lose the forest through the trees here, either. I think it is dangerous to root so hard for the Government. This is still Gonzalez’s and Bush’s justice department. It is true that Fitzgerald is separate from them. there is no doubt about that. But these U.S. attorney offices are using their nearly unlimited resources to prosecute false charges against people who they accuse to be terrorists (see the Detroit case), marijuana users in California, the misguided and unconstitutional bush policies as to detainees and many cases concerning illegal immigrants that simply are a waste of everybody’s time. in fact, in new york, fitzgerald has filed papers that have refused to turn over information concerning the illegal wiretapping to a criminal defendant, who was most likely wiretapped.
So, what i am saying is: let’s enjoy fitzgerald’s skill and brilliance. but let’s not go too far in supporting any arm of the bush government, particularly one that has such vast resources and has been abused by bush as much as any other limb of the executive branch.
Rayne — I ought to have been more clear. I don’t think that Tenet is a target, either. Rove and Hadley, OTOH…I wouldn’t be making long term vacation plans for either of them…
jk – your comments make no sense.
President Leaker still the top story on google.
thanks Angie !
timewarp,
I believe that looseheadprop #58 has the best answer for why Libby did not back out as cited in his post in the last paragraph.
I would never argue with a lawyer with the credentials that looseheadprop has when he/she posts at this site. We are so fortunate to have input from all the professions here.
#64 BobbyG~ I absolutely agree. I’m just floored that this argument keeps getting played. I’m just so disgusted with this mess. If Fitz has proof that this is true, this country has a huge problem on its hands. Not only should the president be impeached, the vice president should also be impeached.
35 timewarp says:
April 7th, 2006 at 8:37 am
Thank you so much for providing such rich context, Christy!
Back the KISS meme. I have a question that might sound dumb if it weren’t so obvious. Why did Libby (and presumably others?) lie to the FBI and later to the GJ and the special prosecuter if all they had to say was “yes I told so & so, such and such, and furthermore I did it with presidential authorization!†Why lie to law enforcement if they think the pres has the authority to declassify anything at any time?
Warp – yeah, I’ve been wondering the same thing. If all this is OK, as Bushco insists, then why the original criminal referral by CIA and why a 2-3 year investigation by Fitz – for something that’s OK.
Course, knowing what lying sacks of shit Bushco are, perhaps this isn’t OK. I think for now I’ll keep my money on Fitz!
can I just say how hard I snorfled when I saw this? per cspan1– LOL the irony!
04:15 PM EDT
0:30 (est.) LIVE
Speech
Republican Legal Issues
Republican National Lawyers Association
Karl Rove , White House
Harvey Tettlebaum , Republican National Lawyers Association
Lying bastards…
http://www.poyi.org/63/11/02.phpg
A point others have overlooked. Fitz was criticized for only “interviewing” Bush and Cheney, rather than calling them before the grand jury or placing them under oath to answer his questions.
It is pretty clear that Fitz had a “tour guide” in Hannah pretty early on, and already knew the answers to the questions he was asking. However, Hannah’s cooperation remained secret for some time to those in the WH.
Fitz has acted strategically here. If Bush and/or Cheney lied to him in the their “interviews”, they committed a crime. period. However, if Fitz had called Bush and/or Cheney before the grand jury, they inevitably would have claimed immunity to later charges brought against them based on the information they gave. Similar argument would have been made if Fitz had placed them under oath during their “interviews.” Bush and Cheney knew the dangerous ground they were on, and hired their own personal lawyers before speaking to Fitz since they appreciated the risks of possible future criminal charges.
Anyone who thinks any step Fitz has taken was not well thought out in advance is kidding themselves. I agree that Fitz is probably sitting on a wealth of incriminating information, and is carefully concealing and using it to keep the biggest targets within the prosecution’s net.
“This is still Gonzalez’s and Bush’s justice department”
No, it is NOT. It is the property of the American People. The fact that the Bush Administration misuses it when convenient is an indictment of THEM, not DOJ per se.
If Fitz isn’t planning on calling Karl Rove, that seems to argue against last week’s purported revelation that Karl had flipped, right? Either that or Karl has flipped but not on the Libbster.
Personally, I want to see one last, definitive, FDL post featuring that graphic of Rove roasting on a spit. My perfect scenario has Bush & Rove sharing a cell while President Cheney runs for reelection and ends up screaming f*** yourself during a televised debate.
Larry 99
Sorry.. heres the right link
http://www.poyi.org/63/11/02.php
yes, Stephen Parrish, my monitor is set on 1024×7xx.
but this is the only blog site I’m having this problem with. but i’m using Netscape and that is sometimes problematic. will try Safari and see what happens.
bingo, Safari has no problem.
thanks mommybrain and Stephen
pat #57
“President Leaks-A-Lot”
Priceless!
jk’s comments make all kinds of sense.
ambivalence seems appropriate to me.
jk 90…
You make some very good points, but what this says to me is that given that the US Justice Dept is so powerful (as it has to be), then it really matters who runs it and who staffs it.
The people at the top are appointed by the President, and therefore they establish JD priorities and “culture.” Which is why it DOES matter who is in the WH. I am just remembering my 7th grade civics classes wherein I learned that it is the job of the Executive Branch to enforce the laws. It is a powerful and important responsibility, which should not lie in the hands of whiny little rich mama’s boys.
BTW – Christy, I really hope you in the process of writing a book. I see these marvelous posts as great fodder for a 1st draft…just sayin!
51 Who is John Galt? says:
April 7th, 2006 at 8:45 am
From what I’ve read the president has the authority to declassify information. My question is does he have the authority to declassify for political gain? I don’t know if commonsense plays any part in this but certainly this has to be illegal.
In the press gaggle this morning, Snottie Scottie wraps this declassification in the cloak of the public’s need or right to know important stuff. Political gain might be considered to be in the eye of the beholder. Mind you – I completely agree with the point you are making.
In a related matter – I think it would be mighty fun to see the classified info that Bush did NOT declassify! Since he can simply declassify anything that is to his political advantage, it would then follow that anything he does NOT declassify is to his political DISadvantage. Back when I was doing my government investigative work I used to always look at the stuff they did NOT want me to look at – not the stuff they were shoving in my face. I found lots of goodies that way!
Also, you just knew at some point Libby was not going to take this hit for the team without pointing the finger at Cheney and Bush who directed his every move.
IMO the critical character cooperating with Fitz to avoid charges and prison is Rove. And I have no doubt that when the time is right, and an active prison sentence is looking him in the face, Rove will rat out Bush. Then all the cards will fall to the table …. just like it did when John Dean came clean in Watergate. Nothing left to do at that point but try to cut the best deal possible and not be last to come into court and get hammered.
Imagine what Fitzgerald and his colleagues think as they watch the Bush parade and can’t yet rain on it.
OT:
I’m back home now.
Please consider recommending Armando’s diary about Late Nite Right Wing Racists series:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/7/113838/0169
jk — I understand where you are coming from in this, having done defense work myself for many years, but this truly is a kick-ass prosecutorial brief. I try to put in some balance most of the time — but I’m working on deadline, fighting off my daughter’s nasty cold (yep, I’ve got the fever and stuffiness now, too) and was up until past 1 am last night digesting all of this stuff. So, sorry if it’s not up to my usual balance, but today it is all I can do to complete the legal analysis for everyone and not fall over. Hang in ther — I’m sure I’ll find a creative lawyering bit of Team Libby that will catch my eye in the next round of filings.
pat #57
“President Leaks-A-Lotâ€
Yeah. I just called him “President Leaks-at-Whim” in a letter to the paper this morning. They called me a few minutes ago to confirm, and said they were gonna run it.
Probably be in the Vegas Sun this Sunday.
jk 90 –
Your insight is appreciated and your concern noted.
BobbyG 101 –
Bush and Abu may not “own” the DoJ, but they are in possession of it — and when the criminals control the government, the government has become an organized crime syndicate.
Fitz nails Libby, then simply says “I’ll cut you a deal if you cooperate on the investigation of Rove, Bush, Cheney, Hadley, Tenet, Gonzales, Rice, etc, etc, etc. Deal or no deal?”
No deals until after Libby sees that he is really really going to sink.
Gyro Gear Lose & C_R_C – At the big-assed telecom equipment company I worked for a few years back, this was one of the major topics of strategy meetings: As telecom providers move from a circuit-switched to a pure-packet infrastructure, the issue of charging for bandwidth becomes important. With old-school circuit-switching, you can charge for access, for locality of the destination call, and for minutes. You have complete control over all aspects of the call or connection. When the whole system moves to packets you are screwed as a telecom. Broadband means you can charge for access…and that’s it. And maybe not that, if cable or WiMax or other access are cheaper and faster.
What we found was the half-dozen guys in a telecom provider that ‘got it’ (they were few and far between), were in a royal panic at the thought that their whole revenue model was about to go down in flames.
Tiered charging was pretty much the only way to shift the new model toward a business that actually made money. Around the meetings we called it “pennies-per-packet” but the concept was to count the packet flow and charge by MB or whatever.
Technically, the counting of packet flow is a minor form of rocket science. In a router or switch, all packets are routed anyway, so just count the things as they go through. Cisco wants to replace all the switches in the world with Cisco boxes, so offering this option gives them a competitive advantage in a bid.
My guess is that the executives in the telecoms have finally understood the threat to their business model that broadband access represents and are spending heavily in Washington to buy regulations that allow some charging of bandwidth. We will be fighting this for many years…
Redd–
Can I just say, for the record, how fabulous you are? For schlepping through all this and reducing it to the best tidbits w/ humor and brevity?
Having to rely on, say, the NY Times would make my eyeballs fall out, with all the “Mr. Fitzgerald alleges that Mr. Libby and Mr. Cheney told Mr. Hadley that Mrs. Peacock killed Mr. Wonderful in the Executive Office Building with the rope, a charge Mr. Libby and Mr. Rowe deny Mr. Libby ever leveled against Mr. Peanut,” etc.
A thousand thanks on an ongoing basis.
Fitz does not need to call Karl Rove to prove Libby lied to obstruct his investigation. You can bet Rove is moving closer to full cooperation with Fitz with each passing day. Rove has already thrown Cheney under the bus when he tipped Fitz to the existence of deleted emails in the Cheney office, and the location of an offsite server where these emails could be retrieved by Fitz –who did just that.
I do not think we are looking at a Bush resignation and Cheney stepping in as president. Bush and Cheney are likely to go down together if Fitz shoots that high. Then the control of the House becomes paramount, since the Speaker is next in line to the Presidency.
Just a little reminder/question.
VERY anxious for word on the Rubber Stamp action.
back later, play nice!!
xyz:
my comment makes sense in response to the first four paragraphs of christy’s post.
It is also in response to a generalized hero worship of fitzgerald here and among the progressive blogosphere (of which I am a member, so I am not trying to attack others). i am happy that it is fitzgerald who is prosecuting and investigating people i can’t stand. we should respect his skill. christy says that in this post, but i think it goes too far and, in general, i felt that this post was way too antagonistic towards team libby’s lawyers and far too complimentary towards fitzgerald. once again, for the sake of the criminal justice system, we should be happy that libby’s lawyers have the resources to make fitzgerald work. as a secondary benefit, we get to see fitzgerald smack them back with damaging evidence. but our support for fitzgerald shouldn’t go further than that.
Christy–for someone tending a sick peanut, you think and write SO well and clearly. Talk about multitasking. Day care does seem to be a theater of germ warfare–the kids come down with a bug and the parents pick it up. Take good care.
go upstairs to crash the gate, neighbor.
california_reality_check–
In no. 39, above, your “the chimp and darth” has me gasping with laffter. And I thought “Chimpy McFlightsuit” was the be-all and end-all.
Christy
Sorry i’m a little slow!! It seems to me, a lot of what the defense is fishing for isn’t relevant to the charges in the indictment? in a nutshell, are you saying that the goal here is that they are trying yo find out what other evidence Fitz has on the actual leak and whether it might be enough to come back against Libby for that as well? Are they trying to get as much info on the ongoing investigation on libbys’ behalf or info they can pass onto others who might be in Fitzs’ crosshairs?
Again I’m sorry I seem so unclear. If this is a stupid question, please ignore
122 wondering says:
April 7th, 2006 at 9:54 am
Day care does seem to be a theater of germ warfare–the kids come down with a bug and the parents pick it up.
A tragic but necessary part of kids growing up. It’s how they build their immunity system. Damn facts of life!
If JK is too timid or self-conscious to associate with Fitz groupies, he might consider a disclaimer, e.g., labeling his sign-on as JK-NAFG (not a fitz groupie). People rarely respond well to deportment niggles.
Clueless
I have had 3 colds and a tummy bug since Dec. I do child care for 5 of my grandkids who go to 3 different schools and my hubby works at a nursing home!! my immune system is suffering!!
There is so much more — and the meatiest bits are yet to come in Part II. Trying not to overwhelm everyone all at once this morning.
I’m ready to be overwhelmed — BRING IT ON! LOL
L’etat, c’est moi. La Libertad, c’est moi. La Verdad, c’est moi.
Republican constitutional theory–or, “All your balls are belong to us”
jk stated “i felt that this post was way too antagonistic towards team libby’s lawyers and far too complimentary towards fitzgerald. once again, for the sake of the criminal justice system, we should be happy that libby’s lawyers have the resources to make fitzgerald work. as a secondary benefit, we get to see fitzgerald smack them back with damaging evidence. but our support for fitzgerald shouldn’t go further than that.”
jk – I’m sorry, but what is wrong with being antagonistic toward the adversary of your advocate? We all identify with Fitz because we want to see the truth come out. Fitz is advocating a cause we believe in. Libby’s people want to protect him, which is fine. I’m glad Libby has competent counsel.
But don’t tell me that I shouldn’t complement Fitz and denegrate his opponent. This is an adversarial process and Libby’s team are the adversary. Libby’s team happen to be standing between Fitzgerald and the truth. And I want Fitz to get at it. This is precisely the forum where we should express our support for Fitzgerald and our belief in his cause.
I am beginning to think you are a troll
RJJ at 127 — that’s not quite fair. This isn’t a group-think blog, after all, and I completely understand JK’s perspective, having lived it at one point of my career as a defense atty. We have plenty of room for disagreement.
new thread
I appreciated JK’s comments. As a rather good chess player myself, I understand they are using good defensive strategy—trying to provoke a mistake by a stronger opponent. The mistakes in numbering may well be deliberate.
wilson, I like this thread, thanks:)
jk I loved your post. Very well stated.
xyz 131 –
jk is a defense attorney who takes their work a bit too seriously for the Fitzmas Bunny Festivities at FDL — definitely not a troll.
Read Christy’s response at 113.
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marky says:
April 7th, 2006 at 10:16 am
Le Fraternité, c’est nous! (or something similar; my French has a serious layer of rust!)
Slightly OT
What does all of this means RE: Judy Miller? It seems like the Administration was trying to plant the anonymous “leaked” story with her, but this time she didn’t comply by getting it into print. Why?
We need to keep in mind the defense strategy – delay at all costs until you close the time frame from which Scooter might have to go to jail to the time when he gets pardoned down to an interval that he will find personally acceptable.
It makes sense – if they manage to put the trial off until end of 07, worst case is scooter pleads without ratting out admin, goes off to country club prison for a year and then gets pardoned. If they don’t, the only thing it cost was money – a small price for the repugs.
jk’s post about taking Fitz in balance is well said, IMO. The dual character jk raises in regard to Fitz and the US Attorney’s office is reflected in other agencies of the State, most dramatically in respect to police functions. The same people who serve the people in certain instances can be the ones who suppress the people in others.
Push comes to shove, these agencies serve the State, and while it can be terribly important precisely who is running the state, it’s also vital to keep in mind whom the state itself ultimately serves. (In the US I suggest, of course, it’s that 1% that controls 60% of the economy and 40% of the wealth…)
That said, anyone able to bitch slap the criminals in power gets at least a small cheer from me.
That President Bush authorized Scooter Libby to selectively leak portions of the highly classified October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate as part of a coordinated assault on Joseph Wilson and other debunkers of pre-war Iraq WMD claims should come as a surprise to no one. Neither should the silence of the GOP and his conservative allies.
For the full story, see:
“GOP Cornered by Bush Leak.”
Redd is the dancing goddess of candor and clarity. Namaste.
Rep. Hinchey’s official House site has a press release on the leak and he mentions a letter from Fitz that he is drafting a response to about the Niger docs.