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		<title>By: Dak</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-61520</link>
		<dc:creator>Dak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ted&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;“And another thing. Iâ€™ve been listening to this radical leftwing crap about how Conservatives are going to turn the USA into Nazi Germany for that last 40 years. Still waiting on that one. Get a grip people.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmm, I’d say the same thing about you rightwingnuts since you folks are constantly pushing the nonsense that liberals were/are trying to turn America into Stalinist communist for years. I’m still waiting on that one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words, you’re one of many rightwingnuts who needs to get a grip. I’d suggest you to taste your own medicine before you can dump your medicine on us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ted</b>: <i>“And another thing. Iâ€™ve been listening to this radical leftwing crap about how Conservatives are going to turn the USA into Nazi Germany for that last 40 years. Still waiting on that one. Get a grip people.”</i></p>
<p>Hmm, I’d say the same thing about you rightwingnuts since you folks are constantly pushing the nonsense that liberals were/are trying to turn America into Stalinist communist for years. I’m still waiting on that one.</p>
<p>In other words, you’re one of many rightwingnuts who needs to get a grip. I’d suggest you to taste your own medicine before you can dump your medicine on us.</p>
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		<title>By: Progressive Lyceum &#187; Immigration, again</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-61437</link>
		<dc:creator>Progressive Lyceum &#187; Immigration, again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Anyway. I get tongue tied in this discussion. Firedoglake has a pretty good series on the subject, though, and especially this story, about the mainstreaming of racist extremism.  The compound represented an era when white supremacists were relegated to the fringes of American society. And while their tireless efforts to promote racial hatred were now muted, their simultaneous efforts to gain mainstream acceptance â€” particularly by disguising themselves and muting their core beliefs â€” had obviously begun to take root. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Anyway. I get tongue tied in this discussion. Firedoglake has a pretty good series on the subject, though, and especially this story, about the mainstreaming of racist extremism.  The compound represented an era when white supremacists were relegated to the fringes of American society. And while their tireless efforts to promote racial hatred were now muted, their simultaneous efforts to gain mainstream acceptance â€” particularly by disguising themselves and muting their core beliefs â€” had obviously begun to take root. […]</p>
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		<title>By: Barney Johnson</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-60899</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;shoeflin writes:&lt;br /&gt;
[…..Once relatively enlightened, college educated and devout Methodists, after a few years of watching Fox and listening to people like Neal Boor(tz) they have turned into haters. Sadly, itâ€™s given me a lot of insight into how Nazi Germany could happen……&lt;br /&gt;
….A conversation with my Mom last week - when I mentioned an upcoming trip to New Orleans, she had to immediately start relating a story, probably from Oâ€™Reilly or something similar, about a job fair in Houston for Katrina refugees - â€œThey sent buses to pick people up and no one cameâ€. I have no idea if this is true, since I havenâ€™t heard any stories like this (probably since I donâ€™t watch the hate network), but the point seems clear - those lazy ni**ers donâ€™t want to work, so why should we do anything to help them?]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So facts that do not agree with your worldview is a lie, or the motive for telling those facts is racism? When did your mom tell you she hates anyone? Can you address her arguments rationally without questioning her motives? That’s called intelligent debate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe you will trust NPR about the hurricane katrina refugees. I guess thier motive is also racism in your convoluted worldview.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Houston Examines Post-Katrina Spike in Violent Crime&lt;br /&gt;
[Morning Edition, January 30, 2006 Â· Police in Houston late last year noticed an increase in homicides. At the time, they downplayed the potential role of Hurricane Katrina evacuees. Now, the Houston Police Department says hurricane survivors were at least partly responsible for the spike in violence.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5178286&quot;&gt;http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....Id=5178286&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shoeflin writes:<br />
[…..Once relatively enlightened, college educated and devout Methodists, after a few years of watching Fox and listening to people like Neal Boor(tz) they have turned into haters. Sadly, itâ€™s given me a lot of insight into how Nazi Germany could happen……<br />
….A conversation with my Mom last week - when I mentioned an upcoming trip to New Orleans, she had to immediately start relating a story, probably from Oâ€™Reilly or something similar, about a job fair in Houston for Katrina refugees - â€œThey sent buses to pick people up and no one cameâ€. I have no idea if this is true, since I havenâ€™t heard any stories like this (probably since I donâ€™t watch the hate network), but the point seems clear - those lazy ni**ers donâ€™t want to work, so why should we do anything to help them?]</p>
<p>So facts that do not agree with your worldview is a lie, or the motive for telling those facts is racism? When did your mom tell you she hates anyone? Can you address her arguments rationally without questioning her motives? That’s called intelligent debate.</p>
<p>Maybe you will trust NPR about the hurricane katrina refugees. I guess thier motive is also racism in your convoluted worldview.</p>
<p>Houston Examines Post-Katrina Spike in Violent Crime<br />
[Morning Edition, January 30, 2006 Â· Police in Houston late last year noticed an increase in homicides. At the time, they downplayed the potential role of Hurricane Katrina evacuees. Now, the Houston Police Department says hurricane survivors were at least partly responsible for the spike in violence.]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5178286">http://www.npr.org/templates/s&#8230;..Id=5178286</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-60815</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And another thing. I’ve been listening to this radical leftwing crap about how Conservatives are going to turn the USA into Nazi Germany for that last 40 years. Still waiting on that one. Get a grip people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing. I’ve been listening to this radical leftwing crap about how Conservatives are going to turn the USA into Nazi Germany for that last 40 years. Still waiting on that one. Get a grip people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-60810</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What a seriously stupid, bigoted article about right wing blogs. Well crafted and thoughtful sounding, but full of the usual guilt by mind-reading associated with PC psycho-babble. Calling the left on their arguements is not “racism” nor is it fascism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve never heard one mainstream conservative call for ending immigration. Can any of you name one? No, you can’t because they arent calling for it. We want to end ILLEGAL immigration and enforce existing law. Since when is that racist? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Opposing preferential treatment for one citizen over another due to their skin color(which is what affirmative action IS) is the OPPOSITE of racism. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bill Buckley a racist? Glenn Reynolds a conservative? My bullshit detector redlined immediately. I didn’t think they made brushes that broad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a seriously stupid, bigoted article about right wing blogs. Well crafted and thoughtful sounding, but full of the usual guilt by mind-reading associated with PC psycho-babble. Calling the left on their arguements is not “racism” nor is it fascism.</p>
<p>I’ve never heard one mainstream conservative call for ending immigration. Can any of you name one? No, you can’t because they arent calling for it. We want to end ILLEGAL immigration and enforce existing law. Since when is that racist? </p>
<p>Opposing preferential treatment for one citizen over another due to their skin color(which is what affirmative action IS) is the OPPOSITE of racism. </p>
<p>Bill Buckley a racist? Glenn Reynolds a conservative? My bullshit detector redlined immediately. I didn’t think they made brushes that broad.</p>
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		<title>By: shoeflin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-60672</link>
		<dc:creator>shoeflin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just found this post, sent over from Wolcott.  Echoes something that has been bothering me for a long time.  The right wing has found out how to stir up hate in a subtle way, that really appeals to a lot of people who don’t even consider themselves prejudiced, let alone white supremacist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The example I have to live with is my parents.  Once relatively enlightened, college educated and devout Methodists, after a few years of watching Fox and listening to people like Neal Boor(tz) they have turned into haters.  Sadly, it’s given me a lot of insight into how Nazi Germany could happen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A conversation with my Mom last week - when I mentioned an upcoming trip to New Orleans, she had to immediately start relating a story, probably from O’Reilly or something similar, about a job fair in Houston for Katrina refugees - “They sent buses to pick people up and no one came”.  I have no idea if this is true, since I haven’t heard any stories like this (probably since I don’t watch the hate network), but the point seems clear - those lazy ni**ers don’t want to work, so why should we do anything to help them?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s all about appealing to hate and fear and self-righteousness, and it seems to be very effective.  My parents listen to this kind of stuff all the time, and have no idea how distorted their views have become.  People who once understood the meaning of compassion have been turned into brainwashed haters.  It’s so sad, and I haven’t been able to make a dent in their delusions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this post, sent over from Wolcott.  Echoes something that has been bothering me for a long time.  The right wing has found out how to stir up hate in a subtle way, that really appeals to a lot of people who don’t even consider themselves prejudiced, let alone white supremacist.</p>
<p>The example I have to live with is my parents.  Once relatively enlightened, college educated and devout Methodists, after a few years of watching Fox and listening to people like Neal Boor(tz) they have turned into haters.  Sadly, it’s given me a lot of insight into how Nazi Germany could happen.</p>
<p>A conversation with my Mom last week &#8211; when I mentioned an upcoming trip to New Orleans, she had to immediately start relating a story, probably from O’Reilly or something similar, about a job fair in Houston for Katrina refugees &#8211; “They sent buses to pick people up and no one came”.  I have no idea if this is true, since I haven’t heard any stories like this (probably since I don’t watch the hate network), but the point seems clear &#8211; those lazy ni**ers don’t want to work, so why should we do anything to help them?</p>
<p>It’s all about appealing to hate and fear and self-righteousness, and it seems to be very effective.  My parents listen to this kind of stuff all the time, and have no idea how distorted their views have become.  People who once understood the meaning of compassion have been turned into brainwashed haters.  It’s so sad, and I haven’t been able to make a dent in their delusions.</p>
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		<title>By: mr. mike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-60454</link>
		<dc:creator>mr. mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tom, did they finish it with “..and we will gun the gringo down for the Frito Bandito!”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I didn’t think so. The MEChA “Plan” was originally drafted in the late 1960s; a lot of the language was taken from the Black Power movement. BTW, I’ve been on campuses with MEChA chapters; I never once saw a meeting, much less armed revolutionaries chanting slogans in Spanish.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, did they finish it with “..and we will gun the gringo down for the Frito Bandito!”?</p>
<p>I didn’t think so. The MEChA “Plan” was originally drafted in the late 1960s; a lot of the language was taken from the Black Power movement. BTW, I’ve been on campuses with MEChA chapters; I never once saw a meeting, much less armed revolutionaries chanting slogans in Spanish.</p>
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		<title>By: Right Wing Nut House</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-60451</link>
		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nut House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;LOOKING FOR HATE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES…&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;	In trying to decide how to respond to this thoughtful, yet seriously flawed article by David Neiwert, I had my pick of several different threads where the author, in an effort to ferret out what he considers to be “racism” and “hate&amp;…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>LOOKING FOR HATE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES…</strong></p>
<p>	In trying to decide how to respond to this thoughtful, yet seriously flawed article by David Neiwert, I had my pick of several different threads where the author, in an effort to ferret out what he considers to be “racism” and “hate&amp;…</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-60219</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David, you quote Alex Koppelman as saying:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
A simple Google search shows that the people talking about Aztlan and reconquista are predominantly not Mexican (though there are some radical fringe groups) but white supremacists.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and go on to say &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Instapundit Glenn Reynolds, … for several months in 2004 was … promoting the “reconquista” notion while arguing, groundlessly,  that the student organization MEChA was a pack of “fascist hatemongers” comparable to the Klan.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I googled “Aztlan”.  In the first 30 entries — I didn’t bother to go farther — I counted at most five that expressed (perhaps racially motivated) alarm over immigration matters.  A few of the sites were from MEChA affiliates and featured “El Plan de Aztlan” whose preamble reads:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal “gringo” invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner “gabacho” who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Por Por La Raza todo.  Fuera de La Raza nada.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If “bronze” were changed to “white”, etc., in this quote, I’d consider it racist.  YMMV.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you quote Alex Koppelman as saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>
A simple Google search shows that the people talking about Aztlan and reconquista are predominantly not Mexican (though there are some radical fringe groups) but white supremacists.
</p>
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<p>and go on to say </p>
<blockquote><p>
Instapundit Glenn Reynolds, … for several months in 2004 was … promoting the “reconquista” notion while arguing, groundlessly,  that the student organization MEChA was a pack of “fascist hatemongers” comparable to the Klan.
</p>
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<p>So I googled “Aztlan”.  In the first 30 entries — I didn’t bother to go farther — I counted at most five that expressed (perhaps racially motivated) alarm over immigration matters.  A few of the sites were from MEChA affiliates and featured “El Plan de Aztlan” whose preamble reads:</p>
<blockquote><p>
In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal “gringo” invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.</p>
<p>We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent.</p>
<p>Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner “gabacho” who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan.</p>
<p>Por Por La Raza todo.  Fuera de La Raza nada.
</p>
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<p>If “bronze” were changed to “white”, etc., in this quote, I’d consider it racist.  YMMV.</p>
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		<title>By: mr. mike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/late-night-fdl-transmitting-extremism/#comment-60106</link>
		<dc:creator>mr. mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;numfar, the “script” Americans are supposed to follow states in no uncertain terms that unemployed fortysomethings are supposed to form small businesses of some sort, like a Mailboxes etc. store or a coffee shop/bookstore. However, in real life, those guys get crushed pretty quick and wind up divorced and working at Wal*Fart.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I disagree with Orcinus; they may have nailed Aryan Nations, but many of the racist groups have gone underground after the militia movement imploded. Yes the GOP has developed a “Nazi Lite” philosophy, but the “real Nazis”* are still out there, playing werewolf.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;______________&lt;br /&gt;
* While there have been a number of Nazi/Racist Fascist parties and groups, NONE of them have had the power of the original. I attribute this to the power of Hitler as a speaker/figurehead of the NSDAP, the world economic situation of the 1930s, and their use of the radio as a propaganda organ. (While the Soviets excelled at film propaganda, the Nazis stank at movies for the most part, save for Leni Riefenstahl. Racist/ultranationalist propoganda seems to work best in the sound environment.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>numfar, the “script” Americans are supposed to follow states in no uncertain terms that unemployed fortysomethings are supposed to form small businesses of some sort, like a Mailboxes etc. store or a coffee shop/bookstore. However, in real life, those guys get crushed pretty quick and wind up divorced and working at Wal*Fart.</p>
<p>I disagree with Orcinus; they may have nailed Aryan Nations, but many of the racist groups have gone underground after the militia movement imploded. Yes the GOP has developed a “Nazi Lite” philosophy, but the “real Nazis”* are still out there, playing werewolf.</p>
<p>______________<br />
* While there have been a number of Nazi/Racist Fascist parties and groups, NONE of them have had the power of the original. I attribute this to the power of Hitler as a speaker/figurehead of the NSDAP, the world economic situation of the 1930s, and their use of the radio as a propaganda organ. (While the Soviets excelled at film propaganda, the Nazis stank at movies for the most part, save for Leni Riefenstahl. Racist/ultranationalist propoganda seems to work best in the sound environment.)</p>
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