Comments on: Censure: Time to Do the Right Thing http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:13:22 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: bren http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-59172 bren Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:49:38 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-59172 <p>I heard the term “bad faith” mentioned quite a bit at the the Censure hearing, Graham used it to differentiate NSA spying from Lewinsky and Watergate, Spector even closed with it. </p> <p>I think our side needs to build a good case that the President and his minions knowingly violated the law, and take that legal defense away from them.</p> I heard the term “bad faith” mentioned quite a bit at the the Censure hearing, Graham used it to differentiate NSA spying from Lewinsky and Watergate, Spector even closed with it.

I think our side needs to build a good case that the President and his minions knowingly violated the law, and take that legal defense away from them.

]]> By: shargash http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-59143 shargash Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:33:13 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-59143 <p>The common misunderstanding, particularly among the left, is that censure is the end game. It is not. It is a political tool to advance the debate in a drection we want to take it.</p> <p>Censure isn’t going to pass in this congress. Censuring the president isn’t the resolution’s primary goal. It was introduced right after the intelligence committee buried its hearings, but before hte judiary committee did the same thing. It did its job of blocking the Republicans from killing the NSA spying issue. It would have done its job MUCH BETTER if Democrats had lined up behind Feingold’s resolution.</p> <p>That Democrats did not support the resolution is either a case of rank cowardice or polticial incompetence, or both.</p> The common misunderstanding, particularly among the left, is that censure is the end game. It is not. It is a political tool to advance the debate in a drection we want to take it.

Censure isn’t going to pass in this congress. Censuring the president isn’t the resolution’s primary goal. It was introduced right after the intelligence committee buried its hearings, but before hte judiary committee did the same thing. It did its job of blocking the Republicans from killing the NSA spying issue. It would have done its job MUCH BETTER if Democrats had lined up behind Feingold’s resolution.

That Democrats did not support the resolution is either a case of rank cowardice or polticial incompetence, or both.

]]> By: Jeff in Texas http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-59113 Jeff in Texas Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:11:54 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-59113 <p>And Marrack, based upon the President’s asserted authority, I can see no logical reason why he could not suspend elections until further notice, as long as he said it was in the interests of national security to do so. Someone should ask the AG about that today. Of course, he would refuse to answer because it is a hypothetical. Scary shit.</p> And Marrack, based upon the President’s asserted authority, I can see no logical reason why he could not suspend elections until further notice, as long as he said it was in the interests of national security to do so. Someone should ask the AG about that today. Of course, he would refuse to answer because it is a hypothetical. Scary shit.

]]> By: Jeff in Texas http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-59111 Jeff in Texas Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:09:06 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-59111 <p>Standing up and stating the obvious– that the President not only broke the law, and broke it repeatedly, but has in fact ADMITTED that he has broken the law repeatedly– is both right politically and just plain right, period. WHEN are the so-called leaders of the Democratic party going to realize this??? It is enough to make me almost wish the Democrats completely crater in the fall elections, so we can have a real party built by 2008 to challenge the lawless Republicans. Of course we need to investigate, but it is simply pathetic to say we don’t know enough to censure (or hell, IMPEACH) the President.</p> Standing up and stating the obvious– that the President not only broke the law, and broke it repeatedly, but has in fact ADMITTED that he has broken the law repeatedly– is both right politically and just plain right, period. WHEN are the so-called leaders of the Democratic party going to realize this??? It is enough to make me almost wish the Democrats completely crater in the fall elections, so we can have a real party built by 2008 to challenge the lawless Republicans. Of course we need to investigate, but it is simply pathetic to say we don’t know enough to censure (or hell, IMPEACH) the President.

]]> By: Marrak http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58954 Marrak Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:10:22 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58954 <p>Really…30 years…why can’t Bush call off all elections for the next 30 years (you know National Security reasons…â€I mean how can you trust an electorate that’s tolerated all my horse-shit in the past five years) he could appoint himself Emperor, with a clear line of succession, you know past the baton onto the twins “Emperettesâ€, you know when they’ve finally mastered “My Pet Goatâ€â€¦I mean Abu Alberto Spier Gonzales could work this all out…</p> Really…30 years…why can’t Bush call off all elections for the next 30 years (you know National Security reasons…â€I mean how can you trust an electorate that’s tolerated all my horse-shit in the past five years) he could appoint himself Emperor, with a clear line of succession, you know past the baton onto the twins “Emperettesâ€, you know when they’ve finally mastered “My Pet Goatâ€â€¦I mean Abu Alberto Spier Gonzales could work this all out…

]]> By: mui http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58939 mui Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:50:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58939 <p><i>Abu was sworn in today…</i><br /> Yeah, wait until “Torture Memo” Gonzalez becomes “Law Suit Le Haague Torture” Gonzalez! The next 30 years will be devoted to cleaning up these guys’ messes if we want to get the country back on the right track.</p> Abu was sworn in today…
Yeah, wait until “Torture Memo” Gonzalez becomes “Law Suit Le Haague Torture” Gonzalez! The next 30 years will be devoted to cleaning up these guys’ messes if we want to get the country back on the right track.

]]> By: prostratedragon http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58931 prostratedragon Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:24:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58931 <p>Ms. Hamsher:</p> <p><b>Thank You!!</b></p> Ms. Hamsher:

Thank You!!

]]> By: bekkieann http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58930 bekkieann Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:24:03 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58930 <p>Murray Waas at National Journal deserves a Pulitzer for his articles this week alone. But I haven’t seen him interviewed yet on any cables news shows I watch. He was on Democracy Now this morning. This guy has a knack for bringing clarity to a very complicated story.</p> Murray Waas at National Journal deserves a Pulitzer for his articles this week alone. But I haven’t seen him interviewed yet on any cables news shows I watch. He was on Democracy Now this morning. This guy has a knack for bringing clarity to a very complicated story.

]]> By: Lizzy http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58918 Lizzy Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:36:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58918 <p>I woke up this morning at 5 with this simple idea. Everyone who supports censure should send $1 to Russ Feingold’s office. One dollar = one vote. A simple way to send a message of support to Russ and a message of where ‘the people’ stand to the rest of the Democrats in Washington. Remember that court room scene in “Miracle on 34th Street” where the defense has the Post Office carry in all the mail bags full of letters to Santa. Maybe the blogosphere can send an avalanche of mail bags to Washington to get our message out. Using Paypal just wouldn’t have the visual effect that actual physical letters with dollar bills in them would!</p> I woke up this morning at 5 with this simple idea. Everyone who supports censure should send $1 to Russ Feingold’s office. One dollar = one vote. A simple way to send a message of support to Russ and a message of where ‘the people’ stand to the rest of the Democrats in Washington. Remember that court room scene in “Miracle on 34th Street” where the defense has the Post Office carry in all the mail bags full of letters to Santa. Maybe the blogosphere can send an avalanche of mail bags to Washington to get our message out. Using Paypal just wouldn’t have the visual effect that actual physical letters with dollar bills in them would!

]]> By: me to me http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58897 me to me Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:34:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/06/censure-time-to-do-the-right-thing/#comment-58897 <p>the video link you just posted are movie trailors</p> the video link you just posted are movie trailors

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