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		<title>By: The Constructivist</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/03/late-nite-fdl-the-education-of-blitzer-continues/#comment-85840</link>
		<dc:creator>The Constructivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 03:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m debating an academic version of Sailer (who happens to be a colleague and, yes, friend) over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://ovsc.blogspot.com/2006/04/race-v-racialization.html&quot;&gt;Objectivist v. Constructivist&lt;/a&gt; and I’ve invited comments from folks at The Panda’s Thumb, Pharyngula, and Gene Expression to comment on our arguments.  So far only a couple from GE have joined in.  I want to extend the invitation to anyone from FDL who gets this far in the comments.  Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m debating an academic version of Sailer (who happens to be a colleague and, yes, friend) over at <a href="http://ovsc.blogspot.com/2006/04/race-v-racialization.html">Objectivist v. Constructivist</a> and I’ve invited comments from folks at The Panda’s Thumb, Pharyngula, and Gene Expression to comment on our arguments.  So far only a couple from GE have joined in.  I want to extend the invitation to anyone from FDL who gets this far in the comments.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not really a commenter:&lt;br /&gt;
“There is no such thing as a 100% pure race of anyone on the face of the Earth. We are a massive, complex genetic melting pot of mixed races. Anyone with a cursory grasp of human civilization and human migration can handle this concept. Weâ€™re all genetically linked and thatâ€™s all there is to it.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;JB:&lt;br /&gt;
We can all interbreed like dogs can yet even a rainbow flag waving Hillary groupie wouldn’t go as fas as to say dogs are all the same and have all the same abilities in the same proportions because of that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not really a commenter:&lt;br /&gt;
“Sailerâ€™s a racist and thereâ€™s simply no effective defense for anyone who has been following this argument.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;JB:&lt;br /&gt;
racists conclusions are wrong because, because… they’re in league with Evil. You’re quite a religious person for wingnut-hating liberal. It’s funny how everything is supposed to be relative but you guys come up with moral absolutes when we tickle your dogmas.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really a commenter:<br />
“There is no such thing as a 100% pure race of anyone on the face of the Earth. We are a massive, complex genetic melting pot of mixed races. Anyone with a cursory grasp of human civilization and human migration can handle this concept. Weâ€™re all genetically linked and thatâ€™s all there is to it.”</p>
<p>JB:<br />
We can all interbreed like dogs can yet even a rainbow flag waving Hillary groupie wouldn’t go as fas as to say dogs are all the same and have all the same abilities in the same proportions because of that.</p>
<p>Not really a commenter:<br />
“Sailerâ€™s a racist and thereâ€™s simply no effective defense for anyone who has been following this argument.”</p>
<p>JB:<br />
racists conclusions are wrong because, because… they’re in league with Evil. You’re quite a religious person for wingnut-hating liberal. It’s funny how everything is supposed to be relative but you guys come up with moral absolutes when we tickle your dogmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barney Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not really a commenter, Sailer is not in danger yet. We still have free speach in this country. But, yes, in britain or australia he might have a reason to worry. As long as liberal Democrat wackos are kept in minority party status here, hopefully it will stay that way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really a commenter, Sailer is not in danger yet. We still have free speach in this country. But, yes, in britain or australia he might have a reason to worry. As long as liberal Democrat wackos are kept in minority party status here, hopefully it will stay that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Not really a commenter</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/03/late-nite-fdl-the-education-of-blitzer-continues/#comment-58685</link>
		<dc:creator>Not really a commenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Guessed Worker won’t debate if he/she believes that we are out to “harm his/her racial group.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What the F???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What on Earth does that have to do with anything?  Why does that smack of baldfaced wingnuttery?  That’s insane and irrational.  How does your manifesto of racial superiority read in the original German? Lots of hand gestures and screaming to the crowd at Nuremburg?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Godwin’s Law–that’s when you call it, dumbasses.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the deal–Armando made a fantastic post; Sailer is a racist; the resulting parade of wingnut freakshow contestants have actually done -MORE- damage to Sailer through attempting to engage in a debate that does not exist.  Armando has -NOT- been refuted in any way, shape or form.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Race has nothing to do with intelligence.  This is due to the fact that no one has done an unbiased study with a truly representative sample of the various populations. How so? Simply because there is no such thing as racial purity.  There is no such thing as a 100% pure race of anyone on the face of the Earth. We are a massive, complex genetic melting pot of mixed races. Anyone with a cursory grasp of human civilization and human migration can handle this concept.  We’re all genetically linked and that’s all there is to it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Get over yourselves.  It ain’t liberals you should be afraid of–be afraid when your companions in the wingnut blogosphere being informing on each other.  Be afraid of the day Sailer and Red State turn over their archives to the FBI on subpoena so that the FBI Task Force that handles the militias and the hate groups can begin attacking the White Supremacist movement, one IP address at a time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah–Sailer will go to bat for you, til they put the screws to him.  Ben the plagiarist? He’ll go to bat for you til they make noises about removing his revenue stream? They’ll sell you hangdog beyatches down the river.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can close this thread by betting on it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guessed Worker won’t debate if he/she believes that we are out to “harm his/her racial group.”</p>
<p>What the F???</p>
<p>What on Earth does that have to do with anything?  Why does that smack of baldfaced wingnuttery?  That’s insane and irrational.  How does your manifesto of racial superiority read in the original German? Lots of hand gestures and screaming to the crowd at Nuremburg?</p>
<p>(Godwin’s Law–that’s when you call it, dumbasses.)</p>
<p>Here’s the deal–Armando made a fantastic post; Sailer is a racist; the resulting parade of wingnut freakshow contestants have actually done -MORE- damage to Sailer through attempting to engage in a debate that does not exist.  Armando has -NOT- been refuted in any way, shape or form.</p>
<p>Race has nothing to do with intelligence.  This is due to the fact that no one has done an unbiased study with a truly representative sample of the various populations. How so? Simply because there is no such thing as racial purity.  There is no such thing as a 100% pure race of anyone on the face of the Earth. We are a massive, complex genetic melting pot of mixed races. Anyone with a cursory grasp of human civilization and human migration can handle this concept.  We’re all genetically linked and that’s all there is to it.</p>
<p>Get over yourselves.  It ain’t liberals you should be afraid of–be afraid when your companions in the wingnut blogosphere being informing on each other.  Be afraid of the day Sailer and Red State turn over their archives to the FBI on subpoena so that the FBI Task Force that handles the militias and the hate groups can begin attacking the White Supremacist movement, one IP address at a time.</p>
<p>Yeah–Sailer will go to bat for you, til they put the screws to him.  Ben the plagiarist? He’ll go to bat for you til they make noises about removing his revenue stream? They’ll sell you hangdog beyatches down the river.</p>
<p>You can close this thread by betting on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Guessedworker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guessedworker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since none of you boys have managed to put up a factual argument yet I’ll leave you to stew in your juices.  I want to answer Brinkman, who made an intelligent observation at 196.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The effort to discover something about one’s interlocutor is important in ethnic politics.  Liberalism advances the ethnic genetic interests of minorities, so if a liberal criticises the right of people of European descent to advocate &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; interests - or denies the existence of race and racial difference - it’s necessary to know whether the opposition is principled or racist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here, for example, if any of you guys actually managed to raise a debate I would first want to ascertain whether you are debating in good faith or simply to harm my racial group.  If the former - and it is NOT impossible intellectually for racial minority liberals to debate in good faith - I would then join with you on the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Knowing something about one another and understanding where each is coming from is a sound basis for a useful exchange.  It’s as simple as that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since none of you boys have managed to put up a factual argument yet I’ll leave you to stew in your juices.  I want to answer Brinkman, who made an intelligent observation at 196.</p>
<p>The effort to discover something about one’s interlocutor is important in ethnic politics.  Liberalism advances the ethnic genetic interests of minorities, so if a liberal criticises the right of people of European descent to advocate <i>their</i> interests &#8211; or denies the existence of race and racial difference &#8211; it’s necessary to know whether the opposition is principled or racist.</p>
<p>Here, for example, if any of you guys actually managed to raise a debate I would first want to ascertain whether you are debating in good faith or simply to harm my racial group.  If the former &#8211; and it is NOT impossible intellectually for racial minority liberals to debate in good faith &#8211; I would then join with you on the issue.</p>
<p>Knowing something about one another and understanding where each is coming from is a sound basis for a useful exchange.  It’s as simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Not really a commenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not really a commenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Notice how neither poster actually presented their own argument or challenged the fact that what they espouse is, in fact, evil.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Better wingnuts please.  These two have the stink of failure on them and need a sponge bath to get their flopsweat and panicked emissions removed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sailer’s a racist and there’s simply no effective defense for anyone who has been following this argument.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No hippie music for me - listening to the Verve.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how neither poster actually presented their own argument or challenged the fact that what they espouse is, in fact, evil.</p>
<p>Better wingnuts please.  These two have the stink of failure on them and need a sponge bath to get their flopsweat and panicked emissions removed.</p>
<p>Sailer’s a racist and there’s simply no effective defense for anyone who has been following this argument.</p>
<p>No hippie music for me &#8211; listening to the Verve.</p>
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		<title>By: Troll</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/03/late-nite-fdl-the-education-of-blitzer-continues/#comment-57278</link>
		<dc:creator>Troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The evil may drip off but can we have some actual counter arguments please.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evil may drip off but can we have some actual counter arguments please.</p>
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		<title>By: Not really a commenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not really a commenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Holy crap–the evil just drips off of these people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I brought up the military because they do a fine job of weeding out white supremacists and exposing people to other cultures.  Granted, after exposing people to that culture, thousands tend to die, but you get the picture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Drip, drip, drip…the evil forms in pools around the feet of these wingnuts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap–the evil just drips off of these people.</p>
<p>And I brought up the military because they do a fine job of weeding out white supremacists and exposing people to other cultures.  Granted, after exposing people to that culture, thousands tend to die, but you get the picture.</p>
<p>Drip, drip, drip…the evil forms in pools around the feet of these wingnuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebbiker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebbiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The cost involved in hosting Congoids in the US isnt just confined to welfare. Add the cost of Black criminality,educational failure,family non-existence and the law-enforcement/criminal justice budgets and it is obvious that the Blacks are treated as a superior race, mollycoddled and privileged by the White boobs who fund their low-IQ, criminal, libidinous and perfectly natural behavior.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cost involved in hosting Congoids in the US isnt just confined to welfare. Add the cost of Black criminality,educational failure,family non-existence and the law-enforcement/criminal justice budgets and it is obvious that the Blacks are treated as a superior race, mollycoddled and privileged by the White boobs who fund their low-IQ, criminal, libidinous and perfectly natural behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Amalek</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/04/03/late-nite-fdl-the-education-of-blitzer-continues/#comment-57239</link>
		<dc:creator>Amalek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Metzger: “Spend some time in the military and deal with all people, all races, and then tell me why this is a â€˜liberalâ€™ fantasy.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress forbids the military to recruit anyone with an IQ of under 85, which happens to be the African-American average. Hence half the blacks are automatically ruled out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Within the service, tasks are assigned on IQ, which the Army has been testing since America entered the First World War, and which has been found to be a more reliable predictor of competence than anything else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s why in an age of technologised war with expensive kit, you don’t see many blacks or “Hispanic” Mexican Indians on the Iraqi front line, and why their combat casualties are far lower relative to enrollment than those suffered by higher-IQ races.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The military is not a colour-blind, quota-ridden paradise. It’s a ruthless meritocracy. It cannot afford to be anything else. In matters of life and death, common sense and science trump sentimental egalitarian fantasy every time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Conversely, liberals who moan about ‘white supremacists’ using culturally biased intelligence measures to discriminate against blacks and browns are all too eager to quote IQ scores in persuading a judge to spare some serial killer the death penalty.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Steve Sailer has freed himself from the hypocrisy of the guilty white bourgeois lefty, who goes to college to (a) learn to love the non-whites and (b) ensure he earns enough not to have to live next door to them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metzger: “Spend some time in the military and deal with all people, all races, and then tell me why this is a â€˜liberalâ€™ fantasy.”</p>
<p>Congress forbids the military to recruit anyone with an IQ of under 85, which happens to be the African-American average. Hence half the blacks are automatically ruled out.</p>
<p>Within the service, tasks are assigned on IQ, which the Army has been testing since America entered the First World War, and which has been found to be a more reliable predictor of competence than anything else.</p>
<p>That’s why in an age of technologised war with expensive kit, you don’t see many blacks or “Hispanic” Mexican Indians on the Iraqi front line, and why their combat casualties are far lower relative to enrollment than those suffered by higher-IQ races.</p>
<p>The military is not a colour-blind, quota-ridden paradise. It’s a ruthless meritocracy. It cannot afford to be anything else. In matters of life and death, common sense and science trump sentimental egalitarian fantasy every time.</p>
<p>Conversely, liberals who moan about ‘white supremacists’ using culturally biased intelligence measures to discriminate against blacks and browns are all too eager to quote IQ scores in persuading a judge to spare some serial killer the death penalty.</p>
<p>Steve Sailer has freed himself from the hypocrisy of the guilty white bourgeois lefty, who goes to college to (a) learn to love the non-whites and (b) ensure he earns enough not to have to live next door to them.</p>
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