
(Tonight's guest poster in our week-long expose of the bigotsphere is Armando of DailyKos fame)
Right Wing Racism: Steve Sailer
While Jane and the other distinguished Guest Posters will no doubt do a fine job of exposing some of the more prominent Right Wing figures who traffick in racial hate, some of the most insidious racist and sexist work done on the Right tries to cover itself in pseudo-intellectualism. This type of work sometimes winds its way into the mainstream - e.g. - Lawrence Summers remarks about women in the science and math disciplines.
One of the most despicable of these Right Wing Racists is Steve Sailer and his cohorts at VDARE. Who is Steve Sailer and what is he about? Here is a sample:
Rush Was Right, Of Course. But Why?So Rush Limbaugh has resigned from his ESPN football pregame gig for telling the truth about the media overrating Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb.
This is what Limbaugh said about McNabb:
"I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he really didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
. . . He's certainly been adequate. But you could easily get the impression from the TV sports wrap-up shows that he's the second coming of Joe Montana.
That's because, as with many black quarterbacks, McNabb's best plays, the ones that are shown over and over again, are so much more spectacular than his average plays. Personally, I've long wanted more black quarterbacks in the NFL. Living in Southern California, I don't have a team to root for. So I just watch the wrap-up shows to see amazing plays. And black quarterbacks provide more of them than whites, because they are generally faster and shiftier runners.
. . . Why do black quarterbacks tend to be better runners than white quarterbacks? For the same reasons that blacks tend to be better runners than whites in all sports. Perhaps the single most self-evident fact about American spectator sports is that blacks, on average, are faster than whites. No human being not of West African descent ever ran 100 meters in less than 10 seconds until this spring, when Patrick Johnson, finally broke that barrier, 35 years after the first Sub-Saharan African. And Johnson is an interesting combination of Australian Aborigine and Irish.
. . . Until about five years ago, black NFL quarterbacks were actually about as common as blacks are in the general population. But this was widely denounced in the press as proof of white racism--because blacks are so much more common in other football positions. For example, when I last checked a few years ago, 59 of the 60 starting cornerbacks were black.
Quarterbacks and cornerbacks, however, require radically different skills. It's simply wrong to expect equal proportions of each race at both positions. . . .
And so on. Yes, Al Campanis lives . . . It's about "lacking the necessities." But now in a pointy head's suit. Sailer's fixation is on the differences in IQ between the races:
IQ is off-limits today because people who are verbally facile, such as journalists and academics, tend to assume that reality is largely constructed from words. Thus, if we would all just stop writing about unpleasant facts, they would disappear.Unpleasant Fact # 1: Five out of six African-Americans have IQs below the white average. But not talking about this IQ difference has singularly failed to make it go away. The black-white gap has remained roughly one standard deviation for the last 80 years.
What the censorship has accomplished, however, is preventing the emergence of a more a nuanced and optimistic view of black-white differences. Although IQ is, by far, the single most effective measurement known to the social sciences for predicting human outcomes, it's hardly omniscient. Indeed, African-Americans tend to be better than whites at certain mental abilities that IQ tests are bad at gauging, such as the improvisatory creativity that makes them world-beaters in jazz, basketball, rap, running with the football, and preaching. . . .
Unpleasant Fact #2: Far more subtle, although the Great and the Good ceaselessly sermonize us that racial conflicts are caused by the majority feeling superior to the minority, a quick global survey suggests the opposite. The doltish masses have frequently risen up against astute "middle-man minorities" that control trade.
. . . Our political discourse is dominated not by a concern for the needs of the American people as a whole, but by the self-interest and unexamined assumptions of the verbally facile.
Sailer as the Great White Father. Riiight. His hat tips to black jazz and black preaching reminds of an old MASH episode where Harry Morgan, playing another crazy General (you think MASH could survive today?) asks a black soldier for a song, exclaiming "it's in your blood boy!" No, Sailer's agenda is to excuse our racist past - there is no discrimination or racism, it's just the genes. Lawrence Summers tried a more genteel version of this song last year.
And the reality is this is right out of the GOP playbook, the one they now try to hide. Sailer himself gives away the game:
With the enthusiastic aid of the liberal media, Democrats are now setting about delegitimizing both a large portion of the GOP base and the last 38 years of GOP history [Sailer writes about the criticisms of Trent Lott`s statements celebrating Strom Thurmond`s overt racist past.]Indeed, the biggest problem facing the Democrats is an overly target-rich environment. There are lots of Lotts among Republicans. Like a barracuda approaching a school of sardines, the Democrats are having trouble staying locked on a single victim. Should they pursue Attorney General John Ashcroft, Senator George Allen (R-VA), Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL), Congressman Cass Ballenger (R-NY), Senator Conrad Burns (R-MT), or even male ingénue Bill Frist (R-TN) (who was chosen to replace Lott in part because he'd never run for office until 1994--or even voted until 1988--and thus has had little time to develop a rap sheet of "insensitive" statements)?
. . . Gentlemen, why is it necessary to remind you that the Republican Party cannot win a war of attrition fought on this particular battlefield?. . . The longer-term fallout will be to delegitimize the Southern Strategy that has served the Republicans well for decades. Indeed, the Washington Post just came up with a new name for the Southern Strategy: the GOP's " racially tainted recent past."
Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman try to sweep that critical component of Republican politics under the rug, and too many Republicans of good faith, Republicans who deplore racism, sweep this dirty fact from their mind. Sailer's sin is to say openly what we all know - Republicans have appealed to racism for over 40 years as a deliberate political strategy. Sailer, the pointy head racist, says that which we all know - the racist Republican past has led to their electoral successes. But the new Republicans know something Sailer seemingly does not - Republican extremism - on race, on religion, on "values" - threatens Republican chances with the moderate white voter. That is why they are shushing him and shunning him. The last thing the Republican Party wants are revelers in its racist past. But Steve Sailer sheds a light on the heart of Republicans politics - the naked racism which has helped it to power.
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Fitz!
huh?
Well here we go, let’s see if this works
Nice job, Armando.
The Yankees suck.
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Okay, thanks for everyone’s patience. We’re going to try doing this in WordPress this evening, I know everyone was feeling constrained by the HaloScan comment restrictions.
Many thanks to Armando. His post is wonderful, I’m really happy that he agreed to do it for us.
I would add the same psuedo intellectualism, the same veneer, covers their immigration rantings about “sovereignty.”
Visit Redstate, freeperland or LGF and it’s quite evident. Especially at Redstate, the more literate of the Klan.
What happened to all the comments on the last few posts? I can’t retrieve any of them. Is this a Rove attack?
Congrats ladies of the lake and good luck with the wordpress attempt– nice post from Armando– thank you! Sweet dreams with indictments dancing thru our heads.
Thanks Jane. Now that things aren’t centered I could definately get used to this. Especially with the interactive preview.
So Jane, are you looking for people to comb through the hate threads again tonight?
Anyone who needs to get into the last comment thread can do so here.
< strake > Divine! < /strake >
the interactive preview is a fake! my previous post looked fine in preview but it got fucked in posting…
At LGF Watch, we’ve been archiving LGF lizard droppings for some years. I’ll be posting some choice ones, like these on the 2004 Tsunami…
Piglet (1338 posts)
12/26/2004 07:02PM PST
Am I the only one wondering how many muslim women drowned in these waters because they were wearing islamic dress and were weighed down by their clothes?
garnier (242 posts)
12/26/2004 07:08PM PST
why would allah kill a bunch of righteous Muslims, when he could have just as easily sent a tidal wave to kills the infidels living in the great satan?
mglazer (298 posts)
1/7/2005 11:20AM PST
I think it WAS punishment for having Sharia law!~
Indonesia is the largest muslim country with 1 billion people.
hans ze beeman (65 posts)
1/7/2005 11:29AM PST
Question to Allah: why did the tsunami not hit the infidels in the US and Europe who are further away from Sharia than Indonesia’s inhabitants? Why did Allah some time ago send an Earthquake to Bam, Iran and to Izmir, Turkey when there live Muslims? Is Allah not feeling well recently?
Albertadude (179 posts)
A series of comments by Pajamas Media/LGF registered posters on the 2004 Tsunami:
1/7/2005 11:34AM PST
As a Christian I am torn as to whether we really should be helping these peoples of Aceh?
pointed stick (103 posts)
1/7/2005 11:36AM PST
Am I the only one who is really conflicted over sending any money to muslimville? I think what happened is terrible but then isn’t sending them money a bit counter-productive to our interests?!
Whew. I couldn’t see any comments and I got a little worried.
I got EPU’d on the last post…but I don’t dare tempt fate and try posting it again. I got the Haloscan bugs in there and it was driving me batty.
Gentleman Jim
Bobby G messages for both of you there.
Pach — absolutely, the hunt is still on. It’s driving them crazy over at RedState, where they’ve now written a post claiming that they are not racists, it’s the leftys who are.
One of the first comments:
most of the racists left are of the colored persuasion. They bought into the welfare state of the 60s, “the man” keeping them down, etc. I use these terms as descriptive, and not in any other way. I think this next election will show that more and more former “victim status” people will break out of their “slavery” and declare their independence.
They really shouldn’t make it so damn easy.
off topic- but sooo good
I see that Tom Delay has decided to spend more time with his family
(ostensibly before spending more time with Bubba and Tiny)
Great post. I do feel like hanging my head being from the “South”.
Even though the thread is gone from the last topic, I do wish that we could help out some way for NOLA.
Um, wil*on, I thought it was the * you gave up for lent. What’s with the * now being a *?
Yes, many thanks to Armando, I had never heard of this guy, what a putz! I’ve done a little trolling for the Wolfie reeducation program, but it’s pretty hard- and that’s coming from someone whose job is talking about death a lot. Don’t know if I can keep it up, but it is for such a good cause.
What kind of fall-out do others expect around the DeLay announcement? Does anyone in Congress really still support him, or will they be just as happy to se him and his investigation go away?
Jane - Saw that Queen Bee post “over there”. LOL It was semi funny ; )
Oh God, McCain is going to be on The Daily Show tomorrow night. Yuk. Hope Jon does not do his usual of giving wingers a pass.
I lost you guys for awhile. Suddenly all comments are closed. I had to open the link through DKos. This is like coming home every night and having the furniture rearranged. Just glad I found you.
Jane, that’s hysterical.
Armando, thanks for the post. And especially for including the stuff about Summers and women in science. That was such a depressing episode. As a female academic in science, I was thoroughly distressed- and I followed the whole thing, blow by blow, word by word. It almost (but just barely didn’t) pushed me over the edge- to just give up on the whole enterprise. I guess having tenure helped. I was in grad school during the 70s, and had naively assumed that the issue of women in science had been settled back then. Wrong. It is really hard to keep having to fight the same battles over and over again.
RSS feed has a whole ‘nuther picture for the same post. ODD behavior. Maybe the Bugman has invaded looking for a new home.
ooopsies! This ‘new’ commenting machine automatically brought up my old pre-Lenten name - I didn’t check…now to say some penitent Novenas (whatever they are)
RevDeb: maybe john stewart will use the newfound Fallwell material. There is so much Fallwell material that shows he is a wacko. Remember when he accused the teletubby of being gay? OMG most rediculous thing to come out of a preacher’s mouth.
Nice post Armando, but don’t spend too much time out amongst the fascisti…it’s bad fer the colon.
KEEP THE FAITH, THERE’S MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!!
Last night’s Blitzer thread can be found here (lots of good leads, esp. by Matt O. and BullGoose)
First night’s Blitzer thread here (more good stuff)
Look at the type of “research” this jerk admits to doing:
“Living in Southern California, I don’t have a team to root for. So I just watch the wrap-up shows to see amazing plays.”
And I am supposed to just trust him on the “facts that he offers. Whatta douchbag. No links in support of his statement of facts regarding IQ tests, etc.
Armando, great post.
I am so glad the racism issue is being discussed here - although ‘white’ I have worked in Black politics for years. As a progressive, it’s so comfortable to be around like-minded folk politically. Black leaders are mostly very religious but have left politics like John Conyers. Talk about ‘values voters’ ! If only more white Americans could vote like the Black community, we’d soon have the revived and populist America we all desire here…
Appealed to racism ? What other excuse do you think that 35 % has ? I believe it is the only way to explain the continued support of this regime.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....9495#c0077
#77 Ackomanyuki 3/2/2006 09:18PM PST
Bush was confering with staff about the storm. Where was Nagin? Probably at some blustering party till you puke shindig on top of a high rise like those idjits In Independence day greeting the aliens. Thats the only thing I can figure, doin’ the Big easy, what me worry, Naw O Oleenz thang. Fat lines off da the belly of a transvestite and not takin’ care of bidnezz fo’ sho’.
I’m hongray, gotz to getz me a shokalot milks shake bayforz mama cumz home.
When the religious(?) right wants to attack the left for defamatory comments, they always revert back to bashing Robert Byrd or Virginia Rep. Jim Moran.
Republicans make these hostile comments week-in and week-out.
It seems that FDL should start a running posting of all racist/sexist, etc., remarks made by right-wing politicians, bloggers, talk/radio/tv show hosts and media talking nerds. And, another one should be made with left-wing politicians, bloggers and talk/radio/tv personnel.
It would be like a list of the “Bushisms,” but for racial/sexist slurs by politicians and pundits.
Then, keep adding to them when another inappropriate comment is made. And, when the right wants to attack the left, they can be referred to the list which will shut them up.
MsAnnaNOLA,
Jon is great at doing that with the clip. He’s not so quick to do it face to face. Had one good line with O’Reily, but usually lets the republicrooks off pretty easy—trying to be fair and balanced and all that.
He’s had McCain on at least a couple of times before and has always gone easy on him. That has got to stop!!!
Matt has a good post on the double-dealing creep here. We need to pay attention to this stuff too.
Check it out:
Inequality by Design: Cracking the Bell Curve Myth:
http://sociology.berkeley.edu/.....s/ibd.html
short review of Bell Curve
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/public.....e_econ.txt
There should be some good fishing tonight. They’re all abuzz over the arrest warrant for Cynthia McKinney. Scarborough could not show enough pictures of her witha full afro, and he was pissed the Delay news stepped on his tut-tutting massa routine.
Re: Delay –
Wonder what made him finally break off his campaign at this point? He doesn’t strike me as the type who would voluntarily give up any chance at continued power, so he must be nailed, nailed, nailed.
Let’s take this as incentive to take ‘em all down, starting with Texas and moving outward.
re: rightwing racism: That’s all over the Jill Carroll situation, of course, including the veiled accusation that she fucked the sand n–s.
One thing I don’t think anybody’s commented on anywhere: compare this kind of talk about Carroll:
Debbie Schlussel: “[S]he says her Islamic terrorist captors treated her ‘very well,’ and she talked about the nice shower and bathroom they gave her. Since things were so great in captivity, maybe she should have remained at Terrorist Day Spa. And maybe they should change the name from ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ to ‘Baghdad Syndrome.’” [debbieschlussel.com, 3/30/06]
– with the whole winger “we give those terrorists two different kinds of fruit AND lemon chicken!!!!” reaction to Gitmo.
Doesn’t seem like they can have that cake and eat it too ……..
Strange the things you learn on gooper sites:
“The Late Night TV Page lists this Thursday’s guest on “The Colbert Report†as Markos Moulitsas Zuniga.”
goldstein isn’t happy
Bullgoose: wow.
Jane, should we divide our efforts so we don’t get all LGF and Freeperland? I know the fishing is good, but do you have nay thoughts on that?
Maybe we should just go with what we get until Thursday or so and then look in other places, just to be thorough?
One of the things I’ve wondered about (since y’all sent me on this wingnut search) is how the major blogs interact with the plethora of truly abominable lesser wingnut blogs.
For example, there is littlegeneva dot com. Not a major. It has a very useful blogroll of other minors. How many other tributaries feeding into the great Whurlitzer are there? I suspect that the “speakable” talking points in these blogs come down from on high. Perhaps the occasional article on immigration ignoring the fact that if you want to shut immigration down just throw employers hiring undocumented workers into the klink, no if and or buts, would stop “the problem” immediately. [Sorry, probably lost the point.]
The point being that I suspect there is a close association (due to no disassociation) between the major wingnut blogs and this incredible xenophobic underground.
So while Wolf may concentrate on the corporately unaligned left, he just needs to look at these lesser wingnut lights and see where their intellectual affiliation lies.
Here’s something for the Blitzer:
John Ray at Tongue Tied: http://tonguetied.us/2006/03/b.....php#002155
“American newspapers are so shy of mentioning the race of a black criminal that they normally indicate it only by way of a photo of the accused. And if his first name is Leroy or some such they don’t even bother with the photo.”
And comments:
Brer Rabbit: “I’s be most sorry ma’am, I’s thought you wuz Aunt Jamima…
… PuhLEEEEEEEEZE don’t throw me in that thar briar patch!”
Joshua: “I have said for a long time, that election officals should just put the word *black* next to the voting box, since a hellava lot of black voters don’t care who it is they vote for as long as they be black and stupid.”
What’s the “Queen Bee” post?
Seven Months to E day..Will GW Clusterfuck get splapped up along side of the face by the voters?
About a week ago, Charles Johnson once again invited his self-styled “lizardoid minions” to once again take a dump on Rachel Corrie’s memory:
Here are some examples. Note the [deleted] reference, Johnson censored an anti-bush comment and let everything else stand. All of these comments are from long-time LGF posters approved by Charles Johnson.
#31 solomonpanting 3/27/2006 06:45PM PST
They say that Rachel Corrie
Was a useful idiot
Who ventured off the Palystan
To spew her sicko sh*t
With her twisted words of logic
On her head she wore a rag
And she brought a book of matches
And she burned the US flag
But I…I…I
I ponder why..y…y
She sided with the terrorists
Among the worst in the world
And stepped in front of a D-9
And became
Pancake Girl!
(Apologies to Paul Simon)
#36 Cato the Elder 3/27/2006 06:46PM PST
Islam, the Religion of Pigshit.
Islam, the Religion of Donkeyfuckers.
Islam, the Religion of Splodeydopes.
Islam, the Religion of No Music.
Islam, the Religion of Doglessness.
Islam, the Religion of No Return.
Ecrasez l’Islam.
#49 Cato the Elder 3/27/2006 06:57PM PST
How about another parody?
The say that Rachel Corrie
Did one half of this whole town
With po-lit-ick-al connections
To spread her snatch around.
Born into moonbattery
An eedjit’s only child
She had everything a twat could want:
Acne, herpes, snide.
[more to come]
#18 looking closely
I don’t know about songs, but when St. Pancake won idiotarian of the year-that thread was one of the funniest ones EVER on LGF. Ever, ever, ever…
#78 Obi-wan 3/27/2006 07:14PM PST
One should always speak good of the dead.
Rachel Corrie is dead.
Good.
53 writermom
Shall I compare thee to a pancake, say?
Thou art much smoother and more planate:
Bull-dozed, thou lookest like a tray,
Or like a crazed and broken Pali plate…
Blah blah blah..
But thy eternal flatness shall not rise,
Despite the howls of moonbat obsession
for shaheeds only you’re now a prize,
leaving naught behind but shallow depression.
So long as good men breathe, and eyes can see,
So long lives freedom, and this quite squashes thee.
#94 [deleted] 3/27/2006 07:26PM PST
#95 freedomplow 3/27/2006 07:27PM PST
Thanks Charles the BDS force was strong with that one.
BBoy
#102 savage_nation 3/27/2006 07:29PM PST
Here’s my lyrics for the flat one…
You take great pride in never having lived up to anything
Lie, steal, cheat, and kill, a real bad guy
Your daddy is a wino, and your mommy is quite insane
From altar boy to sewer rat, you don’t give a damn
Your sister’s a junkie, get “it” anyway she can
Your brother’s a gay singer in a stud leather band
Your girlfriend’s got herpes to go with your help and aids
There ain’t one person you know you ain’t rip off yet
Look deep in the mirror, look deep into its eyes
Your face is replaced, a creature you despise
But I know what you’re made of, it ain’t much I’m afraid
I know you’ll be lying until your dying day
Make up your stories, but truth’s so hard to say
Brain is numb and your tongue will surely did you grave
Your mind is sickly from Alzheimer’s disease
And decadence and debauchery killed your memories
You’re a liar, liar, liar, everyone can see
Liar, liar, liar, it’s all you’ll ever be
Liar, liar, liar, it’s what you mean to me
Liar, liar, liar …
Start trouble, spread pain
Piss and venom in your veins
Talk nasty, breathe fire
Smell rotten you’re liar
Sweat liquor, breathe snot
Eat garbage, spit blood
Diseased, health hazard
Scum bag, filthy bastard
Grease face, teeth decay
Hair matted, drunk all day
Abscessed, sunken veins
Rot gut, scrambled brain
Steal money, crash cars
Rob jewelry, hock guitars
Rot in hell, it’s time you know
To your master, off you go
You’re a liar
A fucking liar
Filthy liar
Liar
You fucking liar
Liar
Dave Mustaine can write!
Change guy to girl and thats the bitch Corrie for ya….
#109 Cato
Good for you, Savage.
Aww, thanks! I can’t think of a better song that describes the whore of Satan.
#122 The Drizzle 3/27/2006 07:41PM PST
to the gilligans island tune:
-sit right back and youll hear a tale
-a tell of a dimwit twit
-who stood before a jew D-9
-and got smashed flat as shit
-her dad was a mighty white-guilt man
-her mom ’shamed of her race
-they told her that to hate the jew
-was her only saving grace
-then Rachel started getting tough
-and burned her countrys flag
-til forward moved the semite cat’
-and squashed that dhimmi hag
-no phone no lights
-no motor car
-not a single luxury
-without the jews they’d still live like
-the 13th century
-so wait until this time next year
-we’ll hear of her again
-ole’ Rachel Corrie R.I.P
-the terrorists best friend.
#138 savage_nation 3/27/2006 07:50PM PST
If I end up in Hell, I want to be the one to torment Rachel Corrie until the end of time.
#186 religion of bacon 3/27/2006 08:52PM PST
Someone really ought to do a remix of that “song,” with added bulldozer noises and screams, and maybe bits of an IHOP commercial thrown in for good measure.
The interview that broke DeLay’s story, where he says it’s because the race is so close, he’s doing it “for the good of the party”. HAH.
Galveston Paper
It’s good news night at FDL. Koufax awards, Delay switches from one high paying gig to another where he can golf any time, and we’re back to Word Press.
Yeehaw!
tick-tock
tick-tock
Is this a joke or is this really Michael Brown from FEMA on the Colbert Report? Is he really brave or really stupid?
This is diffurnt. Ime typing in two places at wonct. My speling ain’t so better tho.
“Look, I’ll be honest. I don’t care if DeLay broke a few laws. He was good for our side, and I’d rather have a corrupt Republican than an honest Democrat (not that there is such a thing).”
http://www.redstate.com/story/2006/4/3/222522/7062
Nice, gawd….
wesgpc: thanks for those links. The earlier comment made me think of my friend. He is a white dude (assume anyway, he is adopted so you never know)but he just got a copy of an IQ test he took for his current employer it said his IQ was 90 meaning his highest level he could conceivably attain was some college maybe two years. Luckily his employer ignored that and hired him anyway. He is a mechanical engineer with a BS from LSU and a masters from GA Tech! My opinion is basicly these tests show a person’s ability to take that test that day. For example I have an eye problem that makes reading slower or harder depending on the lighting in the room. So I don’t do as well on timed tests particularly under bad lighting conditions.
Steve Kelso, that is some very ugly stuff. I would be interested to know what the comment that was deleted contained. I mean, what kind of post would be below thier standards? Must have been something critical, sweet or nice.
Valley girl 8:33
You are so right — it is strange having to fight these same battles over again! Once wasn’t enough????
Jane, ReddHedd,
Congrats.
Looks like more unsightly leaks from the intelligence community.
This from Knight-Ridder on warnings that the insurgency was more than just foreign elements.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/.....984788.htm
-GSD
Much love and props to all at FDL. The place ROCKS. A truly significant force for good.
Grudging props to Florida. UCLA was never in the game tonight.
I gotta go crash. Long day. Carry on. I leave you with this song:
http://www.vegasboomers.com/tu.....n_Away.mp3
Paul Peterson. Unreal.
http://santafeandthefatcityhor.....lucky.html
_
Hip hip horray, DeLay is finally going away!
The Republican house of cards may finally be falling after too many years.
EDITED BY SITE OWNER
Trevino you lost your ability to comment here the other night when you showed up and started insulting other commenters. You were told to leave. You took advantage of the fact that we have opening commenting here (unlike Red State) to come back. Now you and your bigot bretheren can just get out of here, this isn’t LGF.
Just when I learned how to pre-comment we switch commenting engines. Foiled!
WAAAAYYYY too late to keep this up. Night night and Huge props to Jane and Redd for a job VERY WELL DONE!
The congrats I wrote earlier disappeared into the Haloscan ether.
Gotta order my FDL shirt in the morrow, getting ready for Vegas.
a few years ago, there was something called a “Black IQ test” floating around that was based on African-American experience. I read a good in-depth article or two about it then a couple of years later I was in a primarily Black situation where that test was given. Needless to say, I aced it (heh,heh). The ‘teacher’ was astounded but I finally had to fess up…
So I take it Delay is going to be indicted on the Abramoff dirt.
Sweet Jesus, that permanant Republican majority is in trouble.
The damn athiests and non-believers done run him outta town.
-GSD
Savage is a low hanging fruit. Or at easy to reach high-hanging fuit.
A year ago I listened to him “religously”. The guy fascinates me. He plays up his ethnicity and, I guess, does the rabid racicist cheerleader as his notion of assimilation with the Aryan Nation.
Books will be written about this guy’s psychology.
I’ve had many debates with user over a plastic.com who regularly quotes VDARE and Sailer in particular. Because of this I’ve been forced to read much of Sailer’s work there and over at the equally repellant Gene Expression site (gnxp.com). These “academic racists†are by far the most nauseating and twisted wastes of humanity I have ever had the displeasure to stumble upon.
Sailer in particular fancies himself a researcher or even a scientist of some sort. IIRC he has a bachelors in journalism, that’s it. He pours through statistics to make the thinnest correlations which neatly fit his presupposed causations. Sailer’s bigotry does seems to bother him on some level though, why else would go through all of these intellectually dishonest contortions to rationalize it?
Steve Kelso says:
I don’t know about songs, but when St. Pancake won idiotarian of the year…
St. Pancake is also the blog name of one of the more popular LGF’ers. She claims to be a school teacher. I posted one or two of her comments earlier. Here’s another:
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....8734#c0143
#143 St. Pancake 12/31/2005 11:17PM PST
Ok, anyone heard of this POS. Some rapper
DETROIT - Obie Trice, a protege of Eminem, was shot early Saturday while driving on a city highway, police said.
Someone in another car shot through the back window of 28-year-old Trice’s vehicle as he drove along the Lodge Freeway around 1:10 a.m., said Michigan State Police Sgt. Mario Gonzales.
“Sigh” He lived.
This is a recent Pajamas Media/LGF poster on immigration. This comment likely appeared right next to the “GO NAVY” ad on Johnson’s site.
Nice going US NAVY! Here’s the company you are keeping:
LoneSome Journey 3/24/2006 11:55AM PST
“I see on TV that there are protests across the US concerning
“immigration”.
It is past time for the US citizens to put an end, a complete
end, to foreigners, many here illegally, coming into the US and then “demanding”
that the US change to support their concepts of how the US should function.
These IDIOTS leave their country because they do not like it but now want the US to change.
We need a new law. If foreigners protest a US law or policy, they
are DEPORTED IMMEDIATELY. If they are found to be illegals, they are
branded. If they are found in the US a second time, put them aboard a leaky WWII vessel and tow it into the middle of the Pacific and leave it there.
Create a bombing and straffing range along the US/spixico border. No warnings as to when it will be used and DO make use of it. Dropping a few thousand bombs and a few hundred thousand shells fired into the area will have a significant impact on these illegal spixicans crossing into the US.”
Josh Trevino,
Delete your RedState membership, we forgive you and welcome to FDL, your new Tom DeLay free home. Can I buy you a FDL T-Shirt?
When bigot hunting please post links with comments so we can verify. Thanks.
Oh, and that Benny Hill graphic merge is brilliant.
Ah, i’m so sorry I didn’t get to see what Ben D’s editee has to say tonight.
The important point to remember, and one that Armando does very well to highlight at the end of the post, is the difference between Steve Sailer’s brand of blatantly racist agitation and the advocates of “shhhhhh, don’t say it out loud!”.
That kind of “shhhhh” is amply demonstrated by this post from RedState Racist front-pager and editor “Erick”:
Unbeknownst to all of you, RedState continually self-polices and purges its own ranks of those who might be allies, but are too filled with hate to function in the internet society we choose to create.
http://www.redstate.com/story/2006/3/23/22434/5436 - We must attack…
Who is Erick? He is Erick Erickson, a Georgia lawyer who helped draft a new law that http://stevegilliard.blogspot......ax-ii.html Steve Gilliard calls the New Poll Tax.
So, here we have a person who has helped draft a law that explicitly and apparently purposefully attempts to exclude blacks from the voter rolls and helps to ease their disenfranchisement on voting day…who is talking about blatant racists who “might be allies” if only they were a little quieter and more able to function effectively in public.
Clearly one does not need to wear the White Sheets and shout racist epithets to qualify as a racist…
Just as clearly, the RedState “shhh, not in public” crowd is behaving the same way toward their racist wing as many on the right accused liberals of behaving toward commies and leftists back in the day (i.e. you disavow them in public, but you secretly agree with their aims and policies).
As Ticky-Tacky-Tacitus/Trevino would say…
Quod Erat Demonstrandum.
Seriously, I wouldn’t mind seeing Josh here, but the dog-eared, much abused thesaurus has to stay over at whitestate—-or did he get those big words from Ben?
rcauthen: Wonder what made him finally break off his campaign at this point? He doesn’t strike me as the type who would voluntarily give up any chance at continued power, so he must be nailed, nailed, nailed.
Josh Marshall and crew have the goods. A deputy only two levels down from DeLay himself (Tony Rudy) is cooperating with prosecutors, and they have collected a thousand emails from DeLay staffers to Abramoff and others. They’re working on getting Ed Buckham, the DeLay staffer who left to start a “charity” that “employed” DeLay’s wife, as well as a lobbying business, so it’s just a matter of time. Everyone else has known this for a while, I guess the most recent guilty plea was what it took to convince DeLay himself.
Now that the hardcore Republican base has unashamedly outed themselves as racists, can we start calling them neoconfederates?
RedDan — that is exceptionally well said. Most of the right wing racists don’t think they are in fact racists. It doesn’t mean they aren’t. Self-awareness is not among their meager gifts.
Also, let it be known that the first meeting between Armando and myself was over at Tacitus, on threads devoted to Tacitus’ (Trevino) struggle with his fellow travelers on the right.
Those threads are available here:
http://www.tacitus.org/story/2004/6/24/123723/598
http://www.tacitus.org/story/2004/6/26/7177/62474
http://www.tacitus.org/story/2004/6/27/174437/654
http://www.tacitus.org/story/2004/7/4/174141/5677
Two things to note:
1) Tacitus (Trevino’s) vacillation on the whole subject:
Obviously a mere line of inquiry is not racist. I plead haste making for sloppy writing. What’s racist is drawing unwarranted conclusions from that line of inquiry.
This does raise an interesting hypothetical: Let’s say that this line of inquiry somehow manages, despite itself, to raise a warranted conclusion of intelligence correlating to racial groups. Of what use is it? What policy decisions would derive from it? What social and political rights would be affected by it? To what end would it be put?
2) His distate for Sailer.
3) His apparent, and apparently ongoing ability to either NOT recognize the embedded racism found in statements about Corretta King being a commie, or in recapitulations of the “Black=Criminal” assertion…or his ability to “shhhhhhh, not in public” at a nearly heroic level.
Another note: I was banned from Tacitus for no good reason.
I hope Josh likes the feeling.
OT Libby’s Hail Mary - rambles on the applicable law.
Following is the Appointments Clause (Constitution Article II, Section 2):
“[The President] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departmentsâ€.
===============================================
From a Constitutional standpoint, then, you can work for the government as a non-officer (employee, agent, contractor, subcontractor, etc.) and if so, you never worry about the Appointments Clause. You can also be an “officerâ€which is not defined in the Constitution, however, in general if you have the authority or responsibility to act on behalf of, of for, the Govt, you are an “officer.†If you are an officer, then the question is whether you are an “inferior†or “principal†officer. Depending on that status, the Appointments Clause requires the following:
1. Principal Officer: Presidential Nomination, Advice and Consent of Congress.
2. Inferior Officer: Presidential Nomination, Advice and Consent of Congress OR Law authorizing President, Heads of Dept or Courts to Appoint
3. Non-officer: whatever.
This is the start point.
Congratulations again on the award! (posted on another thread) I waited to get home tonight to read Libby update and comments, but comments closed. I contented myself with reading the ones at dkos where the links took me. Still, I missed what all of you said.
Anyway, ccmask, your “tick-tock, tick-tock” is driving me crazy. 4/15 is already marked on my calendar.
Now that Delayed=Gone, who will replace him in the race? Is this good/bad news?
Just like Safavian and Claude Allen, Delay is leaving before the federal indictments come down.
He didn’t do himself any favors by attacking Sandara Day O’Connor yet again. The non-religious establishment must have been shitting pickles after he dug the knife in again on her.
Adios Hammer, there goes the dreams of eternity.
-GSD
Jane,
I think it is unnatural not to be a racist. It takes education to understand how unwarranted racial prejudice is, and constant vigilance to avoid being a racist yourself.
Also, sometimes you don’t know something is racist until you’re told by the offended party. The WhiteStaters are a very insular group. Shining a mirror at them, and explaning their prejudices might just influence some of these young people—-in that vein, doesn’t it seem to you that the right wing bloggers are actually much younger than the the lefties?
Dana,
Even if a Republican wins that seat, one of the biggest power borkers in neo-confederate/right wing history is out of the game. No more fundraising, no more bullying, one less corrupt Texan setting the US agenda.
-GSD
57
There is also the part about the DoD report where Saddam didn’t create a post-loss strategy either. Hmmm… where did these these guys come from?
At great risk here… Colin, speak up dude. Alma, I cried for you last night.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2501097.stm
Time to sign off.
One thing to note from those Tacitus threads is the astonishing number of defenses, explanations, and excuses profferred for Sailer and the rest.
Tacitus did himself well in terms of excoriating BLATANT racism…
But has not done so well in recognizing the more insidious and dangerous variety, namely coded, buried, or unconscious racism that permeates so much of the writing found on RedState, ProteinWisdom, InstaPundit, and more.
The LGF, FreeRepublic, Steve Sailer, GNXP brand of racism is easy to recognize.
The other brand? Not so much.
Bill Bennett is what happens when the hidden kind gets accepted into mainstream discourse.
marky — it’s possible, a lot of right-wing sophistry often does seem very young and inexperienced. Upper middle class kids with no life experience who think their privilege is the result of merit — of which BenDom is certainly the poster boy.
Great points from RedDan re: two racist groups.
I wonder how Jesse Helms and lovely Dot feel about having black nurses and nurse’s aides providing his personal care at the Home? I cannot imagine what that must be like for the black staff, how it must feel to see him in decline. It makes me look at how I might feel if I needed to come to terms if assigned to someone like Bush or Cheney. I wonder if I would have to decline.
Jane, i think it would be worth researching the age question. As i’m sure you know, it turns out the average age and education level on the top lefty blogs is very high.
If the rightie blogs are populated by younger, leess mature, less educated (men), this would be worth presenting to Wolf.
Ed Teller,
At LGF, they take your namesake seriously.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....8637#c0027
#27 gymnast 12/21/2005 10:30PM PST
Every time this “Mahdi shit” gains traction in some islamic s**thole of a country, you can bet that thousands are going to die an unatural death. Just as Chinese Gordan found out and numerous times since then (Mecca uprising in recent memory) the “coming of the true prophet has proved to be false and costly. Iran does indeed need to “see the light” as Edward Teller would say.
Make a permanent, ongoing separate website cataloging the rightwing racist and eliminationist profanity, so there will always be a paper trail, evidence and proof of their evolution toward full-fledged Nazis (if or when they’re given the chance).
Give it its own name and identity. It can be sponsored by several or more blogs and funded by readership. “Rightwing Racist Republican Raunch” - RRRR (imagine it being pronounced on The Situation Room, for instance).
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040306Z.shtml
Sources said that Fitzgerald is now preparing the paperwork to present to a grand jury outlining the charges against Rove in hopes of securing an indictment.
Sources said that Fitzgerald is now preparing the paperwork to present to a grand jury outlining the charges against Rove in hopes of securing an indictment
Sources said that Fitzgerald is now preparing the paperwork to present to a grand jury outlining the charges against Rove in hopes of securing an indictment.
-Even if its not true, I still enjoyed reading that sentence three times!
marky and Jane, I see plenty of this kind of inherit=merit. Can’t remember who said it, but ” he was born on third base, and thought he hit a triple.” Many of the upper-middle class kids do learn through their college experience, courses and peers, to recognize racism and other forms of hurtful bias. That takes a real willingness to be self-critical and re-examine views or examine them for the first time. Many can’t and don’t, however. Then there’s the attack against the liberal professoriate, which sends me to the moon.
Reading through the hateful examples here is almost surreal because they’re appearing in FDL. Yeah, I know it’s for a good cause.
Wow, I go away for a few hours and all has changed again. But, much better.
I did say that Abramoff is “the illegal gift that will keep on giving” a long time ago. DeLay was obvious, I say there is more there to bring smiles to our faces (as wrong as that might be given the true cost to our country of his “service” to America).
Pach - I thought some more about Daou and think that his analysis is more wrong than I originally thought. I guess my basic disconnect is the dichotomy of “netroots” and “establishment dems” - shouldn’t they be one and the same thing? Aren’t they one and the same? It seems like an artifical construct to me - invented after the fact to explain the outcome of an event, which sounds good but that doesn’t mean it is a correct analysis. As well as the fact that the role given the CM in the “triangle” presumes that other media (like the Internet let’s say) aren’t as, if not more, important in the dissemination of information.
Anyway, next time we get a thread on topic we can continue.
FDL - Congrats on the award. Fafblog was robbed (no disrespect to the General intended)
Isn’t racism just a grownup word for selfish? A personal feeling of entitlement due to the unspoken claim of lineage. Dismissal of any attempts to aide less fortunate as “Socialism” insisting on bootstrap laissez faire policies. I’d like to hear others thoughts on this racist is selfish linkage–being the same thing.
Just the other day Rush Limpballs called the alleged vcitim of the Duke rape a “ho” and also said that golfer Michelle Wie was on the affirmative action plan.
Whenever a racist wingnut goes on about blacks and crime I ask them to explain why most pedophiles and serial-killers are white males.
Suddenly the profiling game ends quickly.
-GSD
OT, but Crooks & Liars has posted the winners of thier Bill Maher Contest and I encourage you to check all of them out. They are pretty wonderful.
Bill Maher Contest Winners
I went to the dark side and it is appalling. I can’t believe some of the crap they spew. I can’t take any more. I have had the problem before that I don’t know the racist terms so I think I am not too much help. Keep up the good work to everyone else though. Got to catch some zzzz…
I’m off to bed, EPU. Not tonight. Cheers!
I called Abramoff the Rosetta Stone of Republican corruption sometime back.
Looks like some deciphering has been underway.
-GSD
Reading through the hateful examples here is almost surreal because they’re appearing in FDL. Yeah, I know it’s for a good cause.
It’s kind of making me feel a little sick to my stomach, though.
MsAnnaNOLA says:
Stare too long into the abyss and it looks into you.
-GSD
The Republicans’ “racist past”? True if you mean “past” in addition to present and probable future. That the Republican base is among whites in the old Confederacy pretty much sums it up.
They’ve defunded, made homeless, criminalized, and locked up a large swath of black America. The question now is whether — given the above — the Republicans can keep flogging the dead horse of white resentment. History says they probably can.
I can’t believe that we are not seeing people dancing in the street over Delay’s announcement!
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....9340#c0053
#53 traveler 2/21/2006 09:54AM PST
Do Muslims know any other skill besides rioting and killing? It seems a recent wave has washed over, thousands of Parisian cars, Denmark, Nigeria, Indonesia…..
Only this time, they taste blood and aren’t going back to their wretched former lives anytime soon. It’s the only way they feel like they’re doing something productive. This is going to get worse — they’ll tap into their like minded bretheren here in the U.S.
OK. My browser(s) are going haywire. Here goes. In my limited exploration and past Texas Chainsaw Massacre moments in which I stumbled on a site or two, I noticed that these sites/blogs reserve the worst language for women, like poor Jill Carroll and McKinney, and persons of color, as Bullgoose’s scary find demonstrates. Here goes. Test.
I have a hard time believing the racism is due to sophistry or immaturity. It’s some sort of Jim Crow mentality rearing it’s ugly head. That’s bleak and bitter I know, but in the past few years I feel I’ve had the wool ripped from my eyes.
Mui,
I’m not saying it’s immaturity. I’m saying racism is the natural human state.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....8676#c0009
#9 olderthandirt 12/25/2005 11:20PM PST
Give them two shotgun blasts of double-ought buckshot, or use Atomic Annie, and call someone else in the morning! Seriously, it’s the only thing that works on these Islamist bastards!
I believe nearly any professional behavioralist would say that the level of hate displayed by NeoNuts and their supporters is a pathology indicative of mental illness. Depression most likely brought on by almost total lack of self esteem (and the “binding” of self-esteem with status). We could discuss their membership and safety needs as well, but I’m not a professional.
They just don’t get that the opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....7299#c0335
[snip]
…It’s interesting to see/hear the difference between citizens who are getting off their ass to take care of themselves and their neighbors, and to *buy* supplies — compared to those who show up at shelters totally empty handed (one women was asked where her bedding was and she laughed “Red Cross gonna be takin’ care o’ me!”) or those who *do* have money but only bitch about when the free stuff is going to arrive.
Nobody is willing to say it on TV, but a lot of those having to be airlifted *could* have fled aead of the storm and didn’t — people who were too stubborn or stupid are now using up search and rescue resources that could be best used for those who really had no way to leave.
A lot of these people will end up in tent cities and their habits of dependency might mean they *never* leave and become permanent wards of the state, formally (instead of informally like many of them are now).
Popped over to tpmcafe for a sec and read this. Made me cry. Must have a progressive congress in Nov…at least one house. Louisiana is a swing state.
Being poor like the Nolas…
http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/28359
Marky, I’m not criticizing you. Yours is a pretty good point. But nothing about society is natural and everything is a product of society: science, literature, etc. The way we treat persons of different backgrounds, disabilities and the elderly: it is all a product of culture. If it looks “universal,” it’s because there are a lot of shared traits in every culture. Sorry for the shaky writing. Browser problems.
Marky said: “I think it is unnatural not to be a racist. It takes education to understand how unwarranted racial prejudice is, and constant vigilance to avoid being a racist yourself.”
This makes a lot of sense to me. I’d always assumed that racism was a white phenomenon, but it is more the case that in pretty much any culture it is the prejudices of the dominant class/culture that are more conspicuous because they have the power to make decisions and take actions in which their conscious or unconscious prejdices are imbedded. The racism of the relatively powerless is not as conspicuous.
So I believe that pretty much everyone is racist to some degree or other. The trick is in awarenss - catching your thoughts before you act on them and hurt someone.
Janet
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....8676#c0050
#50 jimgoism 12/26/2005 08:57AM PST
Why dont the Muslims ALL LEAVE
and go to the muslim mecca of
Iran or Syria..
If you hate the west so much
Just LEAVE…
I wont miss you…
Then you can all sit in a cave with a diaper around your head chanting to a FALSE god who doesnt exist….
For your medicine dont use western medicine drink Camel Urine because allah (Pork be on him) said ti would cure everything from AIDS to Cancer to Male Pattern Baldness…
For your education use the Koran…
After all since the Koran is perfect you shoul be able to navigate the entire universe by it..
Oh wait theres the little problem about the SUN setting in a muddy pond at the end of the earth,. Oh well i am sure allah has an answer just build a spacecraft and fly off to see him….
YOu hate the west so dont use
Cars
Trucks
Telephones
Lights
Computers
Cameras
DVD’s
TAPEs
Radio
Radar
ALL Teachnology since it was all invented in the WEST…
Oh wait there is one thing islam invented and exported…
JIHAD …
Congratulations on the Koufax!
OK, I lied.
One more post tonight.
Given that Delay figured “the jig was up” why, gien what he knew he knew didn’t he think the jig was up sooner?
Prion is funny. And now we know he concluded after thia time he ran out of “options”. What options did he think there were?
God I’m just so disheartened tonight - McKinney, the Duke U shit, the Rove immigration shit - the corporate masters destroying everyone’s future while tossing out divisive reptile brain shit, and sure enough everybody turns on each other when they should be burning down Massa’s house, god, the numbing predictability, it just works and works and works for Massa, god I’m tired…
Jane, that’s certainly true–they aren’t self-aware. During Katrina some people I posted Steve Gilliard’s work to were asking why it was OK for Steve to use the n word and it wasn’t considered racist, but it would be if they did it.
I’d call that pretty dense.
The Bugman appears to have lost his mug shot grin.
http://articles.news.aol.com/n.....0000000001
I can’t read too much of that racist shit about the Katrina victims, I want to start kicking tv’s.
I can’t understand such callousness. They must look at the Holocaust and get pissed at Jews, Gypsies and Gays.
-GSD
Mui, exactly. Cultur,especially verbal cultur,has provided a tool for incredibly rapid feedback, reflection and change—far faster than the capacity of the genome to change by itself. A young person without a good education is more vulnerable to becoming an overt racist. Nevertheless, we still hold him accountable.
It is simple to find a link between right wingers and racism. A few minutes on StormFront is always revealing (if you can handle that garbage). Then there is also the column Tony Snow wrote and is published on their site.
It’s true though - many of the right wingers who are racists have a serious problem admitting it.
Jamie
http://www.intoxination.net
Against my better judgment I went over to Sailer’s site. He’s blogging about the connection between the decrease in NY’s black population and the decrease in the city’s crime rate. I kid you not.
He didn’t mention, of course, that the white population also has been declining.
Is it possible to have separate threads for the results of the research? I’ve had about as much as I can stomach - and I’d rather not have to wade through it to read the good stuff.
Speaking of McKinney, I will bet my entire bed domenech photo album that no arrest warrant will be issued. The request itself is a cheap, racist, partisan stunt.
reiterating my Koufaxulations:
Jane and Redd, heartfelt congratulations - you are both totally deserving of this recognition. What a team! Thanks for pouring yourselves into FDL, and for nurturing this community. As the Talking Heads said: “This Must Be the Placeâ€
wtmesq says:
April 3rd, 2006 at 9:40 pm
Lovely! Wonderful to hear! Say it again:)
Can’t find it now…
But over at DKos there was a diary about the plan to do a fly-over of a UN plan with the notion of shooting.
The memos (both referenced from the the British book and from the NYT article) mentioned a plan in the context of war regardless. The DKos post mentioned the theory that thiw actually happened March 10/11.
It definately did. You can serch on U2 and the timeframe. Howie should pull his head out of his butt and do some real reporting. Oh wait. If its criminal maybe we should think about it a bit.
I guess my concern with red state racists is that we have an ugly history (slavery, Jim Crow etc.) with underlying mentalities and new emerging political exploitation of old segregationist values. I don’t see that as natural but a deliberate and callous attempt by the right wing to exploit this country’s divisions and wounds at the expense of women, blacks, gays etc. I recently reread Tom Sawyer and was amazed how closely some of his characters mirror today’s mentality. Genius that Twain. The Twain house is in Hartford.
I can’t even rejoice about Bugman. BFD. At least the bastard’s an honest and forthright criminal. What are our Schumers and Bidens and Hillarys? Worse, almost.
Many thanks to Jamie for helping us get the new commenting system in place. We really appreciate it.
wrt No-sheets racism:
Also:
Yeah, it’s all about the hair.
Christy and Jane, I don’t understand this: under the new non-Haloscan regime, we can’t read old comments? Huh? Is that what “comments are closed” means? Or something else?
inspired by ccmask’s prediction and this evening’s “ain’t that a shame” news:
Don’t DeLay
Dock the dick
I watch his countdown timer tick
(from an old Genesis song on the odd but brilliant Lamb Lies Down on Broadway album)
so which thread was tackytus visiting where he was so rude?
OK, I think I get it: there will be comment threads here that remain open, I guess, but of course we can’t view the old Haloscan comments in the non-Halo regime.
Works for me.
#104
I enjoy that the crime against property — Parisian cars! — is listed before places where people died. And when did they start caring about anything French; now the wingers care about burning French cars?
On Delay: I wasn’t the earliest to say it, but it was awhile ago that I predicted that they’d get to these guys by dealing out their wives. Note that Mrs. Rudy does no time, meaning the little Rudys will only have one parent in prison. That’s how these guys will get flipped — because they were all greedy enough to get the little woman on the take too: Rudy, Buckham, Doolittle, Delay. Who will Delay rat out, I wonder, to save dear Christine from the ladies pen?
And I’m still really upset over Aravosis/McKinney, it’s some horrible taste I can’t get out of my mouth, and he’s just over there bloggin away like nothin at all happenend. Hey, check out this orchid!
Prof — unfortunately there is no way to keep the old and new comments up together (otherwise there would be tremendous confusion about where to comment). But I can still access HaloScan and will provide you with a link to any thread you need. I linked the previous two nights of Blitzer Bigot threads above.
Speaking of Cynthia McKinney, here’s pretty strong proof of how the GOP took her out in the 2002 Democratic primary: http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.c.....imary.html
Well Sharkbabe,
I was one of those people who wildly applauded when Hilary & Schumer marched down 5th for Gay Day Parade. Would I any longer? No way. Still have a sticker: Hillary for gays, lesbians and transgender. Perhaps it will be some sort of collecter’s item, like Nixon, the Quaker for Peace or something.
Being from a border state (OK) that was fairly evenly divided. (50-50,Native Americans) I choose to thank the ones supporting Honest Abe. The LAST great Republican president. Russ for Pres.
Ok, time to put on my SpongeBob jammie bottoms and hit the sack.
Sharkbabe: my AmericaBlog visiting days are over, for a long while at least.
#138
Sharkbabe, it’s like nothing ever happened over there. Have you been to Steve’s lately and seen if he’s still hosting any discussion about the McKinney outburst? It was really nice of him to allow some discussion of the hurt feelings and fucking outrage, which seemed to cover the range of emotions. Yeah, lovely fucking orchid.
Jane, can you post a link to the Libby thread? That’s the one I missed most.
Well, i’m not the biggest fan of armando, but I didn’t have any problem with tonight’s post.
What people like Sailer do is mix empirical data (some of it dubous, but at least solid, checkable numbers) with racist insinuations and asswertions that actually have no basis in fact, as when he infers that blacks are too stupid to be quarterbacks because their average IQ is lower than whites.
Of course, the fact is that the large black penis naturally leads to rage and envy from the white man.
I haven’t felt good about A-blog since that happened either. I keep checking to see if maybe he’s put up a post softening his statements a bit, at least, but no.
mui - I still have my “Homos for Hillary” t-shirt…also the classic lesbo-erotic “Hillary and Tipper - Get it Girls!” from the 93 DC March…good times…
Thanks for the kind and unkind words.
Was enjoying the aftermath of my team’s big win tonight.
Thanks you Jane for allowing me the privilege of posting here today.
One substantive point - on the issue of racial differences based on genetics, that is a very complicated subject. But there is no doubt what the motivations of the Sailers and Murrays of the world are. It was beyond the purview of this post to address those points in depth.
If anyone is interested in more information on the subject, please e-mail me at my daily kos address.
As for IQ tests and intelligence, the notion of innate intelligence and its correlation to IQ scores, well, when you can define “innate intelligence” and actually measure it, get back to me. Even the right’s guru on “intelligence” and g, Jensen, admits it can not be measured.
Thanks again.
Not softening, not discussing, not even mentioning… and the post itself and all (non-deleted) comments went into the March archive, so the front page is wiped clean.
(109 Evil Parallel Universe says:
…They just don’t get that the opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.)
Ran across this post at LGF:
[[[Sheehan: Bush is Ten Times Worse Than Osama
At Michael Moore’s site, the moonbat “peace mom†dispenses her special brand of wisdom, with the headache-inducing title: The Opposite of Good is Apathy. (Hat tip: Decision ‘08.)]]]
[snip]
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....9&only
Sheehan’s remark was not understood by any of the 212 LGF’ers commenting on that post either. Here are a few samples:
#13 mj 1/8/2006 09:34AM PST
“The Opposite of Good is Apathy”
Hmmmm, never thought of that. So I guess that makes the Nazis not evil but apathetic?
#21 zombie 1/8/2006 09:39AM PST
I would have titled this:
The Opposite of Comprehensible Is Boredom.
#32 Deuce 1/8/2006 09:42AM PST
The Opposite of Sense is Sheehan. I pity her for the loss of her son and pity her more for her stupidity.
#33 sissyblue 1/8/2006 09:42AM PST
Moonbat logic.
Great quote from Josh Marshall at TPM:
“DeLay’s lawyers must have sat him down over the last 72 hours and explained to him that he needs to focus on not spending most of the rest of his life in prison.”
I love the new comments integration.
Bullgoose — Enough with the examples. I got the idea and I’m sure everyone else does too.
I agree with Janet R. At this point it is not research, it is voyeurism - and not the good kind.
I feel the same way about that McKinney post and hope to God my protest rant was strong enough to get me booted from there. I’d feel disappointed otherwise. No cute pjs here, but should sign off soon.
Teddy, I’m hoping he will say something after all the facts come out. There was a short post on the topic today, but John stayed out of the comment thread.
So, how does the “not running for re-election” help Delay with his legal problem? Is this just baby-steps toward “resigning from Congress when I’m indicted” or is it “stop being our poster boy for corruption?”
I’m not sure I understand the decision not to seek re-election in legal terms, although if he’s indicted tomorrow that certainly helps my understanding. I guess we’re waiting for the other shoe.
Glad it’s not just me wrt John A. And good old Gilliard is always there when I need a hand to hold over whatever latest crazy race shit.
Night all.
I think John A made a mistake blogging about someone he doesn’t like, after a long, frustrating day in Congress.. he was really pissy, and it obviosly wasn’t just mckinney. Btw, am I the only who is having to type my comments blind because its so slow?
It’s EPU time. Bye Bye Bugman.
Oh, and welcome! renewed, even if temporary, commenting format! Change is good. We love change…
“Homos for Hillary†t-shirt…also the classic lesbo-erotic “Hillary and Tipper - Get it Girls!†from the 93 DC March…good times…
Ah, I want that t-shirt, darnit. No, no no I don’t. Not now.
Marky, when you put two or three toddlers of different races together, would there be any racism in thier play? I think racism is learned. Growing up in South Florida, early 60’s, my mother would always make us lock the car doors and roll up the windows when we drove on a street in “colored town”. She was not unkind, and was a wonderful, loving person otherwise. It was just the way things were in that time, in that place. That was when blacks were “colored” and lived in “colored town”. As I grew up and gained experience, I learned a different way. My mother died in 1967, so I will never know if she would have changed along with me, but I like to think so.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01787.html
well, this is news to me: Bugman must either die, move out of his district, or be convicted of a felony in order to be removed from the ballot. I thought the CNN story was that he’s not running for re-election; this WaPo story makes it sound like he’s moving to Alexandria VA and resigning his seat, altho no timetable…
TeddySanFran, That’s how I read the story too. He’s resigning and moving to Alexandria.
zennnurse: No, not really. In LA, where it really starts to crop up is in educational classes that point out the differences between the kids (ie, you’re Latino, so that means you do this, while he’s black, so he comes from this heritage). They only notice the differences when those differences are pointed out to them (at least, that’s been my experience).
Kinda validates the tabula rasa theory, at least.
134 & 153 I think so too. Teddy, I think so too and wonder if that has been part of why Safavian hasn’t pled - his wife has kept clean?
Anyway, back to more OT Libby
Libby cont.
Miscellaneous & Statutory items.
The Attorn. Gen is the head of the Dept of Justice, appointed by President with Advice and Consent of Congress. 28 USC 503. As a Dept Head, authorized by Law (per delegation statute at 28 USC 510(“The Attorney General may from time to time make such provisions as he considers appropriate authorizing the performance by any other officer, employee, or agency of the Department of Justice of any function of the Attorney General.â€) Conducting litigation on behalf of the US reserved to officers of the Department of Justice, under the direction of the Attorney General. 28 USC 516. The AG shall supervise litigation to which the US etc is a party and shall direct all US attorneys, assistant US attys, and special atty’s appointed under Section 43 in the discharge of their duty.
In his day job, Fitzgerald is a US atty for No.D. of Illinois. As a US Atty, he is appointed by the President with advice and consent of the Senate, for a 4 year term, and can be removed by the President. 28 U.S.C. 541. Nothing specifies whether a US Atty is an inferior or principal officer, and it has not been addressed head on in cases. The AG is allowed to appoint attorneys to assist US attorneys when public interest so requires and such attorneys may be removed by the AG. 28 USC 543. The AG may also appoint assistant US attorneys and they are subject to removal by the AG. 28 USC 542
So Fitzgerald’s normal position in the DOJ was one where he was appointed by the President after advice and consent, and where he could not be removed by the AG, and where he was subject to rules promulgated for the Dept. by the AG, even though the AG had no direct power to remove. When Fitzgerald received the “delegation†from the Acting AG, he became subject, for that matter, to removal by the AG, at will. Although this is one of the items which is somewhat in dispute, Libby does not make much of a run at trying to argue Fitzgerald is not removable at will. The substance of their argument is to drop a footnote on p. 10 and try to selectively piecemeal quote the Comey press conf. where he discusses whether he can “fire†Fitzgerald to make it sound “theoretical” (IMO in a somewhat misleading fashion.) The first, direct Q/A on this in Comey’s conference:
q. Could you fire Fitzgerald?
MR. COMEY: That’s a great question (Laughter). Now, I believe I could revoke the delegation of authority that I’ve given to him. I don’t believe I could –(interrupted)
Since this came immediately after a question where Comey explained that only the President can fire a US atty in his capacity as US atty, that is presumable the “I don’t believe I could†reference – he did not think he could fire a US atty, but could revoke the delegation.
[Note If it was me, and there was going to be a sur-reply, I would pull some cases – or even Treatise references *g* re: the power to revoke normally being deemed to include the power to amend, revise and modify bc that is some general agency law fwiw] In any event, Fitzgerald goes from a position where only the President can remove him, to a situation where he has an assignment/appointment from which the Acting AG can now also remove him.
Thanks, mmr, I thought so.
Teddy, the article in the Galveston paper said that he’s resigning in May or June, will do it at some convenient time for the calendar in the House. He will move to Alexandria where he and the lovely moll wife will conduct thier defense move on with thier lives running the House from the sidelines working for Conservative causes. He says he’s excited about the change.
Yeah, um, sure.
Marky - Yes.
Zennurse - I absolutely agree that racism is learned, not some a priori human trait. And children of different races who have yet to learn to be racist (ethnic groups is the term I would use since the idea of different “races” was itself the result of racism; determinism (”social darwinism”), and the “White man’s burden” thing) do play well together.
my strikeouts were ok in preview, but didn’t show up in my comment, so strikeout moll, conduct thier defense and running the house phrases, please, it’s much better that way. I had never tried a strikeout before, too bad it doesn’t work.
TEST
Evil Parallel Universe says:
Bullgoose — Enough with the examples. I got the idea and I’m sure everyone else does too.
Fine. I’m done.
BTW, in an earlier thread, I suggested a quarantine area for these “examples”.
I also asked whether they should be posted as links-only. Of course, that only gives sites like LGF more hits.
TeddySanFran says:
April 3rd, 2006 at 10:50 pm
(re Tin Ear-avosis)
Not softening, not discussing, not even mentioning… and the post itself and all (non-deleted) comments went into the March archive, so the front page is wiped clean.
ethic cleansing
new Bugman thread up there ^^^^^^
OT Libby Cont. Delegations.
Now what is delegated to Fitzgerald? Well, the delegation given to him by Comey (12-30) reads: “…I hereby delegate to you all the authority of the Attorney General with respect to the Department’s investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee’s identity, and I direct you to exercise that authority as Special Counsel independent of the supervision or control of any officer of the Department.â€
In addition at the Press Conference, Comey indicated that he had told Fitzgerald to “Follow the facts wherever they lead, …†and when later asked to clarify the matters subject to investigation Comey issued the following (2-6-04) follow up.
“At your request, I am writing to clarify that my December 2003 delegation to you of “ all the authority of the Attorney General with respect to the Department’s investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee’s indentity†is plenary and includes the authority to investigate and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws related to the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure, as well as federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, your investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted; and to pursue administrative remedies and civil sanctions (such as civil contempt) that are within the Attorney General’s authority to impose or pursue. Further, my conferral on you of the title “Special Counsel†in this matter should not be misunderstood to suggest that your position and authorities are defined and limited by 28 CRT Part 600.â€
OT - Libby Case Law.
There are two main sets of case law used by litigants, Nixon and Morrison, the Special/Independent Counsel cases, and the recent appointments clause cases of Weiss and Edmonds, both of which happen to deal with military judge appointments/assignments.
Special/Independent Counsel Cases.
United States v. Nixon, 418 U. S. 683 (1974). Acting AG appointed a special prosecutor pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 509, 510, 515. 516, 533. After firing of Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox, Acting AG issued a regulation “delegating the authority to represent the United States in [offenses arising out of the 1972 election for which the Special prosecutor deems it necessary and appropriate to assume responsibility] to a Special Prosecutor with unique authority and tenure†Nixon at 694 & 695 and Leon Jaworski was appointed. Fitzgerald’s Response quoted from the regulation as follows:
In exercising this authority, the Special Prosecutor will have the greatest degree of independence that is consistent with the Attorney General’s statutory accountability for all matters falling within the jurisdiction of the Department of Justice. The Attorney General will not countermand or interfere with the Special Prosecutor’s decisions or actions. The Special Prosecutor will determine whether and to what extent he will inform or consult with the Attorney General about the conduct of his duties and responsibilities. In accordance with assurances given by the President to the Attorney General that the President will not exercise his Constitutional powers to effect the discharge of the Special Prosecutor or to limit his independence that he is hereby given, the Special Prosecutor will not be removed from his duties except for extraordinary improprieties on his part and without the President’s first consulting with the Majority and Minority Leaders and Chairmen and ranking Minority members of the Judiciary of the Judiciary Committees of the Senate and the House of Representatives and ascertaining their consensus is in accord with his proposed action.
So, despite the limitations on ability to remove Jaworski, and a specific regulations requiring that the AG “will not countermand or interefere with the Special Prosecutor†and relinquishment of most supervisory aspects, and the limitations on even the President removing Jaworski, the set up for the Special Prosecutor in Nixon was found to create an inferior officer ( who can be appointed by the AG as the Head of Dept of Justice) and was upheld.
OT - more Libby Case Law
Morrison v. Olson, 487 U.S. 654 (1988) involved appointment of an Independent Counsel from outside the Department (as with Jaworski’s appointment in Nixon) under the (now expired) Ethics in Government Act. Under that Act, Independent Counsel was appointed by a special court. Removal of an Independent Counsel was limited to “good cause†or physical or mental incapacity and the removal was subject to judicial review. Pursuant to a challenge under the Appointments Clause (both Morrison and Nixon seem to have arisen in connection with subpoena challenges), the Court found that four factors indicated the Ind. Counsel was an inferior officer (and therefore one that could be appointed by a court of law rather than through appointment, advice and consent).
First was the fact that the Indep. Counsel could be removed by the AG (even with the restrictions on the AG) , was a significant factor.
Second, under the Act the Ct. held Indep.Counsel’s authorization involved only “certain, limited duties,†even the grant of authority to the Indep. Counsel was of “the full power and independent authority†of the Department of Justice.
Third, the Ind. Counsel had only the jurisdiction granted to her from the court appointment.
Fourth, the tenure was limited, as it expired when the designated task was accomplished.
The Court held the Indep. Counsel was “clearly†an inferior officer. Justice Scalia, in a dissent, opined that the main reason the Nixon Spec. Counsel had been an inferior officer was that the Pres or AG, ultimately, could remove the Prosecutor, but since the Indep Counsel’s removal in Morrison had to be, in essence, OK’d by the special court, Scalia felt the limits on removal were too substantial for an inferior officer. That was only a dissent, but given the changes in the court over time, Justice Scalia’s view may hold more sway now than at the time.
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So, under the two primary cases, although neither involved the exact same approach as taken by Comey, the appointments were very broad, involved substantial limiations on the right to remove the Special/Indpendent Counsel not existing here (and removal rights were considered to be a main feature in each case) and both positions were held to be inferior officers. The “four factor” test in Morrison, despite Team Libby’s arguments to the contrary, appears to continue to be the test/factors most likely to be applied to Fitzgerald’s appointment.
So far, I’d cast my votes for the Rachel Corrie quotes above. Ugh. Shudder…
Fitz preparing paperwork to indict Rove, according to Jason Leopold at TruthOut.Org:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040306Z.shtml
[Hat tip Steve Clemmons, blog The Washington Note (even though his link was busted:)]
—Pacifica says:
(April 3rd, 2006 at 9:55 pm)
I can’t believe that we are not seeing people
dancing in the street over Delay’s announcement!—
Well, here in the upper Midwest the weather has turned a little chilly and rainy… ♠
(The spade looks a bit like a pan, doesn’t it?)
testing
Yankees suck
What Mary says, any chance of making a main post with all the info included ???
Armando,
Thanks for the post–check the archives on a few blogs (most notably The Washington Monthly) and you will see Sailer and one of his cohorts (Operating under the nom de plume “TangoMan”) post there and make any number of arguments that center around race and IQ–very nasty stuff.
If you really want to understand the appeal of Sailer, you cannot separate him from an effort to make racial bias more acceptable and palpable to people. It is an insidious effort that seeks to undermine whatever tolerance still exists in the Republican Party.
Sailer most likely feeds info to someone or just uses the “Tango Man” handle himself to operate more freely–I encourage people to seek out posts made by both of these individuals and judge for themselves.
thank goodness this thread is over. Marky - how old ARE you? Do you not have any kids? Only going to say this once: racism is LEARNED behavior. Gawd. (EPU - thanks for coming to the rescue. Zennurse your instincts are entirely correct). Sorry. lived through the 60’s once already!
My God you people are stupid. One glance at your comments was enough to reveal to me the utter lack of intellectual standards here and the childish, know-nothing tone. Sailer is not a racist, but likely many of you are, or else you wouldn’t be so desperate to prove you’re not by pointing the finger at others.
I propose a new corollary to Godwin’s Law.
The first person to call someone else a racist loses the argument.
Why? Because the discussion at that point is no longer rational. The opponent has been labeled a secular heretic. Even if s/he says the sun rises in the east, or the speed of light is about 186,000 miles/second, s/he is no treated as a human being.
It’s so-o-o ironic that such treatment is most often meted out by those who claim the moral high ground for themselves.
Oddly enough, “brinkman” is another handle we’ve seen this fellow utilize - thanks for the reminder.
Has anyone else seen the indisputably evil and racist Sailer use any other handles? Someone want to run the IP addresses against a sanity check?
What say you, “brinkman?” Shilling for your boy Sailer must be hard work.
Sailer is one of the best writers on the web.
You’re just another knucklehead Stalinist.
Sailer is one of the best bloviating shitbag racists on the web.
You’re just another knucklehead waiting for him to take a fist full of Crisco and give you a reacharound.
Fly that Confederate Flag and try not to soil your Klan robes, eh?
Thank god for Steve Sailer. It’s good to have someone who can speak the truth. I hope he one day ecomes a nation wide columnist. I want you all to know that I have donated hard earned cash to the man, and will again. If you care about the truth, you should think about doing it too.
PS: Here is an example of some PC misleading of the masses:
“As immigration has surged, violent crime has fallen by 57%.”
-excerpt from David Brooks op-ed “Embrace Immigrant Values”
Brooks tries to put an implicit relationship in the readers mind between the two parts of that sentence.
Contrast this with Sailer’s bluntness:
“..Hispanics are imprisoned, overall, 2.9 times more per capita than non-Hispanic whites….”
http://isteve.blogspot.com/200.....nnett.html
The mainstream media (as well as blogs like firedog lake) do not care about the truth. If they did, I wouldn’t have to give money to Steve Sailer.
Late to thread.
Unpleasant fact #3 (not mentioned by the estimable Sailer). Dont know where I read this so dont have link but IQs of Asians are higher than whites and they perform rather better on average in the sciences. How would Mr. Sailer address that?
Sailer keeps blowing the whistle on the Stalinist Lysenko hard-left on their absurd theories that races in the sense of extended families do not exist.
New Century prof hasn’t read enuf of the estimable Sailer to know that he believes that their higher IQs make them destined to exceed the Northern Europeans who currently dominate world discourse. Also, most Asians don’t share the imbecilic religion of Armando & his clones that race and IQ just don’t exist. You clowns sound like Jared Diamond when you peddle that nonsense.
Sailer is too timid in drawing the obvious conclusions. Yes, Yes race is real, and cognitive differences exist - but he refuses to defend the White race ipso facto.
I think he is timid.
I am all for Steve Sailer becoming a very prominent figure.
Reference IQ. How come almost all Nobel Prizes go to white males from the beginning right to the present? Same for math prizes (Field Medals) and computer science prizes.
“Not really a commenter” has accused me of being Steve Sailer in disguise. That’s pretty funny, and I’ll take it as a compliment. I’m not Sailer, nor is tangoman. Anyone at all familar with these individuals should know that. It takes a peculiarly dense and paranoid mentality to go around accusing all the people who disagree with you of being the same person. Actually, I’ve observed this mechanism on this site - www.majorityrights.com - which is populated with real racists, albeit ones who debate at a higher and more civil level than anything to be found on this site.
And, yes, NewCenturyProf, Sailer does discuss high Asian IQs, as well as the fact that Jews have a considerably higher average IQ than non-Jewish whites. You should read more of his stuff before making false accusations about him. Sailer is not a white supremacist; he is interested in studying the differences between races and ethnic groups. He refers too these differences as hbd - human biodiversity.
Old Wolfie is up to no good with Jeff Greenfield today.
They do a report on Congressmen with ethics problems and end the report mentioning Tom Daschles reelection failure which had nothing to do with ethics, leaving the impression that he did have ethics problems!
Quote:
BLITZER: The bigger they are the harder they fall. Tom DeLay was known as “The Hammer” when he was the House majority leader. Now plagued by corruption charges he says he will quit Congress altogether. But DeLay is only the latest leader to take a tumble. Let’s bring in our senior analyst Jeff Greenfield. He is joining us from New York — Jeff.
JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN ANALYST: Well, Wolf, one of the most powerful leaders of Congress, as you say, is leaving under fire. That’s not only a big story in itself but also a sign of a striking change in our political process. Once upon a time the most powerful members of Congress were relatively immune to challenge but in more recent years the watchword has come from Mr. Shakespeare, “Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
GREENFIELD (voice-over): This is Joe Cannon, Uncle Joe they called him. As speaker of the house at the start of the 20th century he used and abused so much power that the House revolted in 1910, stripping him of much of his clout.
But it took 79 years for another House Speaker, Jim Wright to be brought down. He resigned his post and his House seat after Republican back benchers led by Newt Gingrich leveled a series of ethic charge against him. And house majority whip Tony Coelho, whose finances became the target of inquiry, also left the House.
Wright’s successor, Tom Foley, fared no better. Not only did he lose the speaker’s post when Republicans won the House in 1994, he lost his own House seat. The first speak tower suffer such an indignity since 1862. Foley’s successor was Newt Gingrich, a congressman who led the ethics attacks against Democrats.
But Gingrich himself was the target of an ethics investigation over fundraising. He was forced to pay a large fine. Was almost ousted by his fellow Republicans in a coup and after Republicans suffered losses in the 1998 midterms, Gingrich resigned.
His successor was supposed to be Bob Livingston, chair of the Appropriations Committee. But in late 1998 in the midst of impeachment proceedings against President Clinton, Livingston, accused of his own sexual misconduct, dramatically announced to the House that he will resign.
BOB LIVINGSTON, FORMER REPRESENTATIVE: I have hurt you deeply and I beg your forgiveness.
GREENFIELD: And the Senate hasn’t provided security for its leaders lately. Trent Lott was forced from his post-in 2002 after suggesting the country might had been better off had it elected segregationist Strom Thurmond as president.
SEN. TRENT LOTT (R), MISSISSIPPI: And if the rest of the country followed our lead we wouldn’t have had all of the problems.
GREENFIELD: And in 2004 Tom Daschle became the first party leader in the Senate in more than 50 years to lose a reelection effort.
(END VIDEOTAPE) GREENFIELD: It really is a measure of how Washington changed. The one-time assumption of civility, of political adversaries of remaining friends and colleagues after hours is pretty much gone. If the other side thinks you can bring you down it just doesn’t matter how high up you are — Wolf.
BLITZER: Jeff, thank you very much.
Here is a link where Sailer discusses high asian IQs. He has a table there with Japan and Hong Kong at the top of the IQ list.
http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/wealth_of_nations.htm
Robert Hume writes:
[Reference IQ. How come almost all Nobel Prizes go to white males from the beginning right to the present? Same for math prizes (Field Medals) and computer science prizes.]
Japan already gets a signifigant, and growing proportion of nobels. This is because they are the most westernized of any large asian country. Give the rest of asia a few decades to get richer (and more western) so they can fund more research. As for asians in the US, they have only been here in signifigant numbers for a relatively short time.
Asians plus a western environment = nobels.
Still more OT - Libby
The Recent Appointments Clause Cases (Weiss and Edmonds):
Background info. By luck of the draw, both of these cases (Weiss and Edmonds) involve the military judge system. The Judge Advocate General for each branch of the military (who is NOT the Head of a Department and therefore cannot make inferior officer appointments) would detail existing commissioned officers (who had been appointed with advice and consent) to serve as military judges. They had to be members of the bar. Between the dates for Weiss and Edmonds, the military changed the procedure to have Dept. Heads (instead of JAG) make the appointments and used some civilians (who hd not been through appointment, advice and consent) for appellate courts as well as the military officers. So here’s how that worked for them.
Weiss v. United States, 510 U.S. 163 (1994). The Petitioners in Weiss had been convicted by a military judge who was a commissioned officer. The main argument they made under the Appointments Clause skitzed (legal term)right over the “principal/inferior officer argument†and focused more on whether the detailing of the officers to serve as judges caused them to serve in a position that was not “germane†to their original appointment and required a second appointment/advice & consent.
The argument that, as a judge, they might be serving as a Principal Officer (not subject to supervision) who could not be appointed by the JAG (Principal officer requirng appointment, advice & consten) was not really addressed directly. The Court discussed the difference “between an office which would require a separate appointment and a position or duty to which one could be “assigned†or “detailed†by a superior officer.â€
The Court looked at the fact that the military judges do not have any “inherent†authority separate from a court marital to which they are detailed (just like, for example, Fitzgerald would not have had authority to investigate the Washington based Libby/Plame matter absent having it detailed/delegated to him) and that “Until detailed to a specific court-martial, they have no more authority than any other military officer of the same grade and rank.†So, despite the fact that they were assigned a duty, serving as judge on a court, which could not be susceptible to supervision by a principal officer in most aspects (judicial independence being a core value maintained), the assignment was held consistent with and germane to the duties of a military officer and upheld. However, Weiss is a bit odd for not addressing the inferior/principal officer situation more specifically and Justice Souter raises that.
Justice Souter filed a separate concurrence, joining in the decision (that it was ok to make the assignment) but specifying that this was because he found that the military judges were inferior officers and so existing inferior officers (who had already received proper appointment) could be detailed the task of serving as military judges without having to be re-appointed (but finding a more difficult constitutional question might exist if the judges were deemed principal officers and noting that “no analysis permits the conclusion that each of the more than 240,000 active military officers [cite ommitted] is a principal officer.”). Souter spends considerable time explaining the issues and points out the military judges do not meet some of the Morrison requirements, but he nonetheless finds they are inferior. Scalia, in a separate opinion, spends more time on the “germaneness†argument, but also decides the assignment to act as judge is germane to the initial appointment of the military officers.
Edmond v. United States, 520 U.S. 651 (1997) and Morrison get the most attention. Edmond involved the same military trial and appeal structure as Weiss. Here, though, the Coast Guard was also using civilians who had never been through appointment, advice and consent as appellate judges and all the judges were appointed by a Dept. head and not the JAG.
This case more clearly raised the “inferior officer†question. The assignments in Edmonds did NOT meet the Morrison tests in particular jurisdiction and tenure. However, the Court recognized the differences in the many types of Executive branch appointments and the variations in their correlataive duties and responsibiites and that they needs must have different approaches in detail, although in sum they all involved a determination of whether there was a principal officer supervising in some fashion the inferior officer.
The Court stated, “Our cases have not set forth an exclusive criterion for distinguishing between principal and inferior officers for Appointment Clause purposes.†While Edmonds failed two of the Morrison tests, the Court said that bc Morrison was “clearly†within the inferior officer side of the line, it was not dispositive of Edmonds that it failed to meet Morrison’s tests and relied on the following:.
“Generally speaking, the term ‘inferior officer’ connotes a relationship with some higher ranking officer or officers below the President: whether one is an ‘inferior’ officer depends on whether he has a superior. It is not enough that other officers may be identified who formally maintain a higher rank or posess responsibilities of a greater magnitude. … we think it is evident that ‘inferior officers’ are officers whose work is directed or supervised at some level by others who were appointed by presidential nomination with the advice and consent of the Senate.â€
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Nowhere does Edmonds purport to overrule or modify Morrison; rather it finds an alternative way to designate an officer as “inferior” when the Morrison tests were not applicable to the different types of duties involved in the assignment.
So brinkman is familiar with TangoMan–excellent. I couldn’t have diagrammed it better.
Armando, take heed of these individuals–they are working overtime to make their racist beliefs mainstream. They try to wear people down with ‘reasoned’ and pseudointellectual bullshit statistics and graphs (See the Bell Curve) so they can desensitize people to what amounts to placing certain races in a false pecking order.
Ain’t gonna happen–too many people see Grand Wizard Sailer and his comical lackeys for the horrorshow that they are.
Keep posting good stuff on that hate merchant.
TangoMan posts at gnxp.com, an interesting site I would recommend to anyone interested in genetics. That’s how I know of him.
Brinkman: “Actually, I’ve observed this mechanism on this site - www.majorityrights.com - which is populated with real racists, albeit ones who debate at a higher and more civil level than anything to be found on this site.”
I’m the one MR is most fond of accusing of being all kinds of things, though they have simmered down now.
The level of purblind ignorance of modern genetics and psychometrics exhibited at THIS site speaks for itself. All these liberal know-nothings congratulating themselves on being such warm, wonderful human beings and psychoanalysing the opposition– only in America, where therapy has ousted rationality.
Steve Sailer does an excellent job of drenching the fuzzy-minded and self-satisfied with continual douches of ice-cold facts and reasoning from the frontiers of knowledge: the labs where analysis of the brain is confirming what we have known to be true from external observation since Darwin’s heyday– the reality and intractability of racial differences in intelligence, motivation and social morality.
By officially pretending for 40 years that every man could be a king if only ‘prejudice’ didn’t hold him back, and by weighting the scales to reward the stupid, lazy and criminal, America has fashioned a future dysgenic hell. How the Japanes, Chinese and Indians are laughing at your multiracial moonshine.
The multiracial moonshine you’ve been drinking turned out to be pure wood alcohol and now your eyeballs are useless. And please–false indignation is the mantra of the wingnut. You wear it like a cheap shirt.
No one believes that prejudice prevents every man woman and child from becoming a king; what is evident is that Sailer wants us to think there is a permanent underclass of people who will never rise above their circumstances because of their genetic makeup.
It smacks of keeping out the Irish; how’d that work out for the United States of America? There was a time when the Irish were considered a plague on humanity. Sailer is simply bringing a new brand of Irish hating to the mainstream of the Republican Party.
Armando was right–the more prominence we give Sailer and his apologist ilk–which have come out of the woodwork on a dead thread–the brighter the light to shine on a cockroach that swims in its own clinging filth.
So how much longer is it going to take the blacks to pull themselves out of their self-created slough of despond? How many more billions of dollars extorted from the bright, the hard-working, the thrifty and the continent will it take to turn the homeys into Nobel Prize winners and good husbands and fathers?
The more they partake of the wealth created by their superiors, the longer they linger on the welfare plantation, the more degenerate they become.
Abe Lincoln was right. They should have been shipped back to Africa where they’d feel at home among negros as useless as they are at preserving, let alone enhancing, the civilisation the white conqueror bequeathed.
Whites brought modern cities to Africa. Africans have brought the jungle to Detroit.
Why should the GOP waste effort trying to get a few votes from the blacks and seditious Mexican Indians and half-breeds, when there are millions more votes from angry white working men waiting to be grabbed by a party that will slam the door on low-IQ immigrants and stop exporting blue-collar jobs?
Sailer is on the money, and fauxcon Bush and his pathetic Spanish-spoutining sycophants are fighting a losing battle. Multiracial societies don’t work. America has de facto segregation; time to do away with all the silly laws that fetter the competent and subsidise promiscuous, drug-sodden dimwits.
Reading the *hilarious* comments on this thread is a pretty good indicator that Steve Sailer is right about at least one thing: Many liberals adopt the “anti-racist” position not out of a concern for minorities, but instead so that they can feel morally superior to those mean nasty white racists.
About 2/3 of these posts (you know, the ones not obsessing about Tom DeLay) are positively dripping with self-righteous sanctimoniousness. I loved one poster’s comment about how it’s necessary to always be vigilant in preventing racist thoughts from creeping in. TeeHee! Yeah, you have to always be on your guard against reality. That sneaky bastard is always trying to intrude where he’s not wanted.
I hope to someday visit Liberal Land: You know, that magical place where you can attack racists to make yourself feel good while still choosing to live in an all-white neighborhood. Because, uh, you enjoy the higher property taxes. That must be it. Paying more taxes means more support for the public school systems. What altruists you must be.
Reading the comments here I suspect that most people here are white, middle class and dont live in Detroit. Would I be correct?
You guys actually think you are having a debate here about Steve Sailer yet all you do is parade your PC opinions. Its a load fluff; sponge bob PJs, someone’s thought crime from the 1960s, really how incisive, are there any grown-ups here at all?
So, anyway, Steve Sailer, he thinks that groups vary in ability and attributes to some degree. These differences being partly cultural and partly genetic. Well that sounds plausible to me.
Whats the alternative explanation as seen by the firedoglake collective? There are no differences except obvious superficial ones like pigmentation? Everything else is some manifestation of white male oppression?
For instance black students do badly academically, on average, everywhere in the western world compared to white students. Over the years Ive heard various explanations for this. Fear of excelling ie “acting white”, low self-esteem, white racist teachers, cultural bias in educational materials, tests etc. A racist educational system that denies resources to black children.
It all seems a bit complicated, lower average IQ would go a long way to accounting for it across different educational systems, countries, periods etc.
Im not saying that those other factors are not present sometimes but its very hard, for instance, to measure low self-esteem accurately and how is it that its effects seem to be statistically similar (the gap, on average, between black & white academically) in Birmingham, Alabama to Birmingham in Britain, or between 1985 and 2005. I mean, really, what are the chances of that?
Thats just looking at one cause, if you posit more than one in more than one educational system in more than one era you are really asking a lot for the same gap to show up - but it does.
Metzger,
Read the post from your ’ship them back to Africa’ pal and you’ll see what this argument is all about.
Spend some time in the military and deal with all people, all races, and then tell me why this is a ‘liberal’ fantasy.
It’s not. It’s common sense. Let the race thing go and quit sucking in Sailer’s nonsense.
Nice use of altruistic–dictionary at hand? Bravo, wingnut.
Actually not really a commenter has hit upon the general truth of the multiethnic/multicultural society. They only survive as part of an empire or through dictatorship ie police/military state. British India has broken into four parts already.
Anyone here want to pack their bags and move to Yugoslavia, Iraq or Lebanon, form a line behind me and off we go. Hello anybody there? Hello?
Metzger: “Spend some time in the military and deal with all people, all races, and then tell me why this is a ‘liberal’ fantasy.”
Congress forbids the military to recruit anyone with an IQ of under 85, which happens to be the African-American average. Hence half the blacks are automatically ruled out.
Within the service, tasks are assigned on IQ, which the Army has been testing since America entered the First World War, and which has been found to be a more reliable predictor of competence than anything else.
That’s why in an age of technologised war with expensive kit, you don’t see many blacks or “Hispanic” Mexican Indians on the Iraqi front line, and why their combat casualties are far lower relative to enrollment than those suffered by higher-IQ races.
The military is not a colour-blind, quota-ridden paradise. It’s a ruthless meritocracy. It cannot afford to be anything else. In matters of life and death, common sense and science trump sentimental egalitarian fantasy every time.
Conversely, liberals who moan about ‘white supremacists’ using culturally biased intelligence measures to discriminate against blacks and browns are all too eager to quote IQ scores in persuading a judge to spare some serial killer the death penalty.
Steve Sailer has freed himself from the hypocrisy of the guilty white bourgeois lefty, who goes to college to (a) learn to love the non-whites and (b) ensure he earns enough not to have to live next door to them.
The cost involved in hosting Congoids in the US isnt just confined to welfare. Add the cost of Black criminality,educational failure,family non-existence and the law-enforcement/criminal justice budgets and it is obvious that the Blacks are treated as a superior race, mollycoddled and privileged by the White boobs who fund their low-IQ, criminal, libidinous and perfectly natural behavior.
Holy crap–the evil just drips off of these people.
And I brought up the military because they do a fine job of weeding out white supremacists and exposing people to other cultures. Granted, after exposing people to that culture, thousands tend to die, but you get the picture.
Drip, drip, drip…the evil forms in pools around the feet of these wingnuts.
The evil may drip off but can we have some actual counter arguments please.
Notice how neither poster actually presented their own argument or challenged the fact that what they espouse is, in fact, evil.
Better wingnuts please. These two have the stink of failure on them and need a sponge bath to get their flopsweat and panicked emissions removed.
Sailer’s a racist and there’s simply no effective defense for anyone who has been following this argument.
No hippie music for me - listening to the Verve.
Since none of you boys have managed to put up a factual argument yet I’ll leave you to stew in your juices. I want to answer Brinkman, who made an intelligent observation at 196.
The effort to discover something about one’s interlocutor is important in ethnic politics. Liberalism advances the ethnic genetic interests of minorities, so if a liberal criticises the right of people of European descent to advocate their interests - or denies the existence of race and racial difference - it’s necessary to know whether the opposition is principled or racist.
Here, for example, if any of you guys actually managed to raise a debate I would first want to ascertain whether you are debating in good faith or simply to harm my racial group. If the former - and it is NOT impossible intellectually for racial minority liberals to debate in good faith - I would then join with you on the issue.
Knowing something about one another and understanding where each is coming from is a sound basis for a useful exchange. It’s as simple as that.
Guessed Worker won’t debate if he/she believes that we are out to “harm his/her racial group.”
What the F???
What on Earth does that have to do with anything? Why does that smack of baldfaced wingnuttery? That’s insane and irrational. How does your manifesto of racial superiority read in the original German? Lots of hand gestures and screaming to the crowd at Nuremburg?
(Godwin’s Law–that’s when you call it, dumbasses.)
Here’s the deal–Armando made a fantastic post; Sailer is a racist; the resulting parade of wingnut freakshow contestants have actually done -MORE- damage to Sailer through attempting to engage in a debate that does not exist. Armando has -NOT- been refuted in any way, shape or form.
Race has nothing to do with intelligence. This is due to the fact that no one has done an unbiased study with a truly representative sample of the various populations. How so? Simply because there is no such thing as racial purity. There is no such thing as a 100% pure race of anyone on the face of the Earth. We are a massive, complex genetic melting pot of mixed races. Anyone with a cursory grasp of human civilization and human migration can handle this concept. We’re all genetically linked and that’s all there is to it.
Get over yourselves. It ain’t liberals you should be afraid of–be afraid when your companions in the wingnut blogosphere being informing on each other. Be afraid of the day Sailer and Red State turn over their archives to the FBI on subpoena so that the FBI Task Force that handles the militias and the hate groups can begin attacking the White Supremacist movement, one IP address at a time.
Yeah–Sailer will go to bat for you, til they put the screws to him. Ben the plagiarist? He’ll go to bat for you til they make noises about removing his revenue stream? They’ll sell you hangdog beyatches down the river.
You can close this thread by betting on it.
Not really a commenter, Sailer is not in danger yet. We still have free speach in this country. But, yes, in britain or australia he might have a reason to worry. As long as liberal Democrat wackos are kept in minority party status here, hopefully it will stay that way.
Not really a commenter:
“There is no such thing as a 100% pure race of anyone on the face of the Earth. We are a massive, complex genetic melting pot of mixed races. Anyone with a cursory grasp of human civilization and human migration can handle this concept. We’re all genetically linked and that’s all there is to it.”
JB:
We can all interbreed like dogs can yet even a rainbow flag waving Hillary groupie wouldn’t go as fas as to say dogs are all the same and have all the same abilities in the same proportions because of that.
Not really a commenter:
“Sailer’s a racist and there’s simply no effective defense for anyone who has been following this argument.”
JB:
racists conclusions are wrong because, because… they’re in league with Evil. You’re quite a religious person for wingnut-hating liberal. It’s funny how everything is supposed to be relative but you guys come up with moral absolutes when we tickle your dogmas.
I’m debating an academic version of Sailer (who happens to be a colleague and, yes, friend) over at Objectivist v. Constructivist and I’ve invited comments from folks at The Panda’s Thumb, Pharyngula, and Gene Expression to comment on our arguments. So far only a couple from GE have joined in. I want to extend the invitation to anyone from FDL who gets this far in the comments. Thanks.