I just don’t understand this. Every time any Democrat opens their mouth they talk about how the netroots community is more an more influential every day on the course of party politics, and they are most certainly looking to turn us into a virtual ATM for the next election cycle.
Yet they are so disconnected from the palpable rage of the base — and yes, we are the base, the people who show up every day, who write about this stuff, send letters, make phone calls, give money, give a shit — that they have no concept of stepping into a leadership position on matters of great concern like the illegal NSA wiretaps and channeling that emotion into positive action.
They are then often startled to find that frustration turning back on them. Is it really such a mystery?
EJ Dionne understands:
Consider the disparity between the response to Feingold’s initiative among Democratic senators and the reaction among Democratic activists.
Senators mostly scampered away from the cameras earlier this week, because they didn’t want to say publicly what many of them said privately. Most were livid that Feingold sprang his censure idea on a Sunday talk show without giving them any notice. Many see Feingold as more concerned with rallying support from the Democratic base for his 2008 presidential candidacy than with helping his party regain control of Congress this fall.
Some Democrats want the party to forget the issue of warrantless wiretapping, because engaging it would let Bush claim that he’s tougher on terrorists than his partisan enemies. Others share Feingold’s frustration with the administration’s stonewalling on the program, but they think they need to know more before they can effectively challenge Bush on the issue. Both groups were furious that Feingold grabbed headlines away from those delicious stories about Republican divisions and defections.
But at the grass roots and Web roots, Feingold has become a hero — again. They already loved him for his courage in opposing the USA Patriot Act and his call for a timetable for troop withdrawals from Iraq. Feingold’s latest move only reinforced his image of being "a Dem with a spine," as the left-liberal Web site BuzzFlash.com put it in a comment representative of the acclaim he won across the activist blogs.
In an interview, Feingold was unrepentant, arguing that before he made his proposal, "the whole issue of the president violating the laws of this country was being swept under the rug." "We were going to sit back as Democrats and say, ‘This is too hot to handle’ — well that’s outrageous." He warned that "the mistakes of 2002 are being repeated," meaning, he said, that Democrats should never again "cower" before Bush on security issues, as so many at the grass roots saw them doing before the 2002 elections.
And it’s a sign of Feingold’s view of some of his Democratic colleagues that he defended his decision not to let them in on his plan. Had they known what he was up to, he said, "they would have planned a strategy to blunt this."
Here’s the problem: Feingold and the activists are right that Democrats can’t just take a pass on the wiretapping issue, because Bush’s legal claims are so suspect — even to many in his own party. The opposition’s job is to raise alarms over potential abuses of presidential power.
But Democrats, unlike Republicans, have yet to develop a healthy relationship between activists willing to test and expand the conventional limits on political debate and the politicians who have to calculate what works in creating an electoral majority.
For two decades, Republicans have used their idealists, their ideologues and their loudmouths to push the boundaries of discussion to the right. In the best of all worlds, Feingold’s strong stand would redefine what’s "moderate" and make clear that those challenging the legality of the wiretapping are neither extreme nor soft on terrorism.
That would demand coordination, trust and, yes, calculation involving both the vote-counting politicians and the guardians of principle among the activists. Republicans have mastered this art. Democrats haven’t.
Turning a minority into a majority requires both passion and discipline. Bringing the two together requires effective leadership. Does anybody out there know how to play this game?
I don’t know how to make it any clearer. You can’t tell people what to care about. They can continue to harp on the Dubai Ports mess all they want, but that moment has passed. It will make a fine talking point but the white-hot emotion fueling the discussion is gone. Russ Feingold saw where the conversation was going and he stepped in to provide leadership in a timely manner, not six weeks from now when they’d caucused the fucker to death and the world had moved on.
So let me speak in a language that even the dullest, the most remedial, most thick-witted Democratic consultant can understand.
According to a new Rassmussen poll:
"Initially, 22% of Democrats had a favorable opinion of him while 16% had an unfavorable opinion. However, knowing he advocates censure, Feingold’s numbers within his own party jumped to 52% favorable and 14% unfavorable."
Every day that goes by and the party leaders do nothing but carp about an investigation that will never happen they are single-handedly delivering the loyalty, dollars and activism of the base over to Russ Feingold.
Are we communicating now?



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Another ecxellent post Jane. The numbers don’t lie. It’s right there in front of them.Other Dem congressmen and senators should be able to see this as plain as the nose on their face.We, the people are mad as hell,and we AREN’T going to take it any more.Makes you wonder if they paid any attention to Cirro.
it seems that Sen. Feingold is hogging the Democrats strategy brain. Perhaps you can let some other democrats share it for a few hours!
Oh God. We da base? Oh. How do I look? I’m gittin nervous now. Should I put on coffee er sumpin? Uh, doesn’t it make US responsible fer sumpin? Shouldn’t we have some sort of base CAMP an CORE values er PLAN? This is HARD work. :)
Dang ,Excellent post…
Good post Jane. I will steal some of it and link you in. The numbers don’t lie…..
Stay after them Jane. If 1/3 even of the Dems were really phrasing this issue as it should be (see the ABA poll) we would have more like 65% or more saying no way should this program go unchecked and no way should the President get a bye (or Bayh) on it.
Dionne is right.
Feingold is right-er. ;) And it is nuts to say that he is being leftwing and appealing to the left extreme on this —
THIS IS the issues that pulls the disaffected Repubs (Fein, Barr, etc. ) that the party wants to pull. Why would those disaffected jump ship when no one on the other ship is going anywhere they want to go either?
Jane – We might as well be sending smoke signals to em for all the good it’s doin. Bunch of clueless bastards. The sad thing is they are OUR bunch of clueless bastards. Only game it town. God it’s frustrating.
jason – hilarious. It’s too sad that it feels that way.
Jane – Some events over the last several days have started me thinking about trolls (thugs). Does this new software have a log/trace function for individual poster IDs? A feature like that would make keeping track of them so much easier. Less time and more facts. Know what I mean? They will be comin after ya in numbers now. You da target.
Every day that goes by Feingold gets stronger and stronger and the ‘06 contenders for the ‘08 nomination are gunna be measured against ‘im. Feingold knows he doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in a hot place of gettin’ the ‘08 nomination but he’s gunna move the party in the direction of the base and euthanize Hillary, Bayh, Edwards and the General for ‘08. This is a win-win for Feingold and the Democratic voter and places Feingold in a strong position to vie for leadership of a majority party. The absolute bankruptcy of political intelligence among the elected leadership exposes more than political stupidity…it exposes where political loyalties really rest with these people and it ain’t with their constituents. Hillary Rockefeller Clinton, ken you hear me??!!
KEEP THE FAITH, WE’LL TAKE ALL THE MOTHERFUCKERS DOWN IF WE HAFTA DO IT ONE ATTA TIME!!
I agree with this post at TPM
Dems should express beliefs asap (paraphrased title):
http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27947
Mabye conventional wisdom is wrong about how $@!%%^!!*!! organized and smooth the Democratic party should be anyway. Remember Will Rogers:”I don’t belong to an organized political party, I’m a Democrat” Well those disorganized fools produced rescue from Depression, victory in WWII, victory in cold war and best combination of economic stability and prosperity in US history. Maybe we should look to them for inspiration. And in a way, Democrats are certainly most organized bunch we have seen a long time: they shut-up all together all the time, they turn tail and run together, and they all cower together.
Ooh ooh Lamont on the blog report on cnn– act blue, daily kos, featured and report says he is getting a lot of support from the on line community because they are angry at Lieberman.
Oregon’s Senator Ron Wyden has posted his (non) position on the censure resolution.
He’s on the intelligence committee, so no excuse for being out of the loop.
Oregonians, (that includes you, Jane) should read the on line statement then email Senator Wyden with their comments.
wesgpc – Yep, the spineless bastards are organized in the wrong direction. Got to help em. Somehow. Don’t know how really except when you find a good’n donate.
I received one of those insufferable fundraising emails two days ago from Howard Dean. This time, the Democratic Party tried to leverage a right-wing legislator’s attack on Feingold as a mobilizing point to solicit donations.
Dean wasn’t supporting Feingold’s resolution, mind you, just highlighting a McCarthyite attack on Feingold. And asking for money.
I couldn’t yell “Fuck You!” at my computer fast enough. And then I gave $50 worth of love to Feingold’s PAC.
Poll numbers are the first “only language they understand,” as Jane highlights. Bucks are the second. And I’m not giving a cent to the party or the DCCC. Only to the real agents of change — Feingold, Lamont, and the next Democrat with a goddamn clue. And then the one after that.
From Helen Thomas The Nation dot com..
“Ted Stannard, an academic and former UPI correspondent, put it this way: “When watchdogs, bird dogs, and bull dogs morph into lap dogs, lazy dogs, or yellow dogs, the nation is in trouble.”
lot more good stuff where that came from…she is talking about reporters but it goes for all of us
Russ gets the Political Play of the Week!!! And they are saying it is spine and principled!
It occurs to me that the DNC would like to use the netroots in the same way the the Republican party uses the fundies…take their money, wink and nod, then don’t do anything for them. At least until recently, that’s how rightie wackos were always handled. I think the DNC views us as left-wing wackos who should be appealed to but never appeased.
angie – I wish he was my Senator.
I don’t know about anybody else, but I’m getting pretty dizzy jumping back & forth from Old FDL to New FDL… I need a beer.
Russ Feingold first came to my attention when I heard that the other democrats were mad at him because he wouldn’t take campaign contributions from their fat cats. They said he was jeopardizing democratic control of the senate. He won.
Folks should read this 2002 interview from progressive magazine. The more I learn about this guy the more I like him. Here is one excerpt from the interview.
“Q: Why is the DLC dominating?
Feingold: I think it’s because the Democratic Party decided that corporatizing was a way to help with fundraising, especially in an era of soft money. It allowed the Democratic Party, in their view, to blunt some of the issues, like trade, that were causing problems with, frankly, the larger moneyed interests. And the ultimate example of that was the coronation of Gore in Los Angeles. That convention was a corporate trade show. It was nothing like the Democratic conventions of the past. So I see the DLC as, to some extent, taking the soul away from the Democratic Party. And I see the DLC as having sold American workers down the river. I oppose GATT, and NAFTA, and all the things Clinton and Gore were for. When we lose our commitment to opposing something as manifestly wrong as the death penalty, I’m very uncomfortable with that.”
http://www.thirdworldtraveler……ngold.html
This guy is no triangulator, that is for sure.
JoeB,
The elected leadership is who yer talkin about…that is the DCCC and DSCC but NOT Howard Dean and the DNC. The DNC is the only thing between us and the complete capitulation of the Democratic Party. These elected folks all suffer from battered wives syndrome and are so worried about playin the game to get corporate job insurance that they haven’t made contact with the real world in a long while.
KEEP THE FAITH AND KNOW WHAT YER AIMIN AT BEFORE YA SHOOT!!!
crc– me too, but I think a lot of us here have adopted him and I don’t think he’ll mind at all ;) mine are hopeless rethugs, but I still keep trying.
I will now attempt to clarify my rather incoherent post above, Russ was given the CNN Play of the week and Schneider spoke about him in terms of showing spine and being principled. I was just so pleased, my fingers babbled.
Called Akaka and Inouye yesterday- they are both still sitting on the fence- political weather vanes, waiting to see which way the wind blows.
Gosh, the repubs are as depressed as we are about their spineless [republican] party and the merciless beating they’re taking from the liberal press. From the guy running for House against Francine Busby, in California:
“Friends,
Today NBC News reports that a majority of Americans would like to see the Democrats back in control of Congress. And the news media is cheering this news. [The article I am referring to can be found here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11843383/ ]
I’m sure your [sic] about as sick and tired as I am of hearing the old line news media beating the drumbeat of “Republicans are finished.” These liberal journalists are doing everything they can to make their predictions a reality.
I’m running for Congress to change things – to stand up for the conservative Republican principles I believe in, LOUDLY and STRONGLY.
That’s the one thing I think Republicans on Capitol Hill are doing wrong, they are too timid and too much on the defensive.
Republicans right now offer the best ideas on how to deal with national security and the threat of international terrorism. Republicans offer a better approach to lowering taxes. Republicans offer a better approach on how to stimulate the economy and create jobs.
Yet, too often we see the Republicans beaten down by the liberal news media and the Democrat politicians and liberal political acftivists.
Well, no more, my friends.
I am asking you to join me in my campaign to change things.”
McCafferty on CNN ripping into the repub 45 day concept – he’s asking why “we’re not prosecuting under existing law instead we’re going to change the law!” – calls them all morons.
Now Jack Cafferty is all over DeWiner’s NSA/FISA proposal–loosely transcribed-’only republicans are sponsoring this(names them here) and instead of following the law and investigating what went wrong here, they just want to write a new law. And we elect these morons.’ Sure is a nice Friday afternoon on cnn ;)
scarecrow: I hope the center-to-left netroots never gets identified with anything as simple minded as that kind of factless brainles cash-register tripe. But I guess it works for them in bringin in $ from their marks.
Come on now folks, ya gotta know who the enemy is: first come the real fascists in the Republican Party and corporate media, second are the surrogats like the DLC, Hillary, Bayh, Biden and Lieberman and third are the professional bloodsuckers like Bob Schrum and the DC insiders who are bought and paid for by the corporate fascists. Howard Dean has been fightin’ all of these folks since the day he announced his candidacy and if we are to beat the forces of fascism entrenched in our own party, then we gotta recognize that our cash riddin on Dean’s horse,the DNC.
Let’s not circle the wagons and start shootin each other, remember there are more of us than there are of them and they know it…
KEEP THE FAITH AND HIT WHATCHA SHOOT AT!!
KEEP THE FAITH
Checker said – “Oregonians, (that includes you, Jane) should read the on line statement then email Senator Wyden with their comments.”
I am an Oregonian and I called Wyden’s office every day this week telling him to support Feingold. He put his position up yesterday. Shorter Wyden response-We need to investigate the Presidents activities before I will support a censure even though I already know he broke the law and I know that the republican controlled senate will not do the investigation I just called for.
It is time to write LTE’s to the Oregonian and other Oregon newspapers and tell them what we think of Wyden’s position.
I think that he’s doing a service in our names that other politicos should realize they should do too. He’s actually standing up (albeit not as strongly as most of us would like but as strongly as he can considering) and making this into news that strikes where most of America feel it. At least that’s my hope. I really hate the fact I feel so alone here in the middle of Texas. Hell, I feel so alone here in the US. My senators and representatives are so tied to the money at this point that I know my voice won’t affect them at all.
I have the printed out kiss off letters in response to my calls, emails, and faxes to prove it.
so the DNC wants us to fuss at Repubs for attacking Feingold but doesn’t want to take a position of support themselves – brilliant!
when folks like McCafferty get it, how can Dean et al not?
I like reading Daily Kos and other “reform the Democrats” sites, but I really don’t think anything will change until EVERYONE abandons these two do-nothing/corrupt parties. Harry Reid says Bush is the worst. Whoopee. He’s still spying on us…
The Democrats will not wake up until we all go way and challenge them on our own. Yup, until a real third party comes along, we got nothin’.
The good news is there enough people to do this. The bad thing is the perception that a third party wouldn’t work, or that the Dems just need a few more chances.
I think what Kos and others are doing is educational and eye-opening. I’m just waiting to see if they continue to support lame Democrats, and when they abandon them. I think it is inevitable. How much lack of responsiveness do Democrats have to demonstrate. I’m bored waiting for the Democrats to get a spine…
wesgpc — I agree, but I would be hesitant to do a side-by-side. If you just switch the names of the parties, and switch “liberal” to “conservative” or vice versa, these fund raising pleas tend to look more alike than we might like.
What struck me about the fundraiser letter I quoted from was how this particular candidate — a Republican — invited readers to look at a new poll showing the President’s declining numbers, negative comments about the Pres explaining why that’s happening, and the result that more Americans favor Dems than Repubs for Congress. Now, why exactly would a candidate for the Repub nomination want to emphasize that? He must be using a Dem political consultant! And you can take that any way you want.
wesgpc – The party needs people with your focus to speak for it – some savvy politician needs to snatch you up as a consultant. ;)
You know, I wasn’t aware of him at all until December – vaguely I was aware that there was “one guy” who voted against the Pat. Act. The important thing there, IMO, is that he was not and is not “against” all of the Act. It has a lot of good stuff – but he was against things that really had no business in there – like some of the most overreaching provisions relating to NSLs and burying sneak and peaks forever.
Most of what he was against, got changed. He negotiated the Senate committee to an incredibly better position. Even Senate Judiciary committee Repubs like Specter agree that the things Feingold was fighting to get changed this last time through probably should be changed, but they thought they had no power to fight the imperial Presidency when they were thrown a bone.
Now that I have been paying attention, Feingold just strikes me as very smart – in a real world as well as smart talking aspect. So I looked closer at his creds on his Progressive Patriots site.
LOL – uh, yeah – smart guy for sure!
Staring with undergrad – Bachelor of Arts with honors.
Next up – Rhodes Scholar, Final Honours School of Jurisprudence, Magdalen College, Oxford University, Bachelor of Arts with Honours
Topped with – Harvard University Law School, Juris Doctor with Honors, 1979
Color me, not so much more impressed, just impressed over a greater area of coverage. ;)
I want to know what we can do to send these spineless fuckers a real message. Is it a one-day fundraising blitz exclucisve to Feingold’s PAC — with the message that this is money that could be going to the DSCC if they’d only REPRESENT THEIR CONSTITUENTS?
At this point I want to go Joe Pesci on these people. I want heads in vises, I want to inflict pain. I’m tired of waiting for their spines to grow. We need to seriously threaten them financially somehow.
Severely OT re: 01 (Dru)
My sister (named Drusilla/we call her Dru) is named after my maternal grandmother. Both of them are/were, respectively VERY STAUNCH REPUBLICANS. (My sister adds pro-life/born-again into the mix, so we can NEVER discuss issues of the day without ending up screaming at each other – a very sad situation for me.)
SO, every time I see “Dru” post something, my heart jumps with joy, if only for a millisecond until I realize, “NO, Jacquie, that isn’t your SISTER Dru, it’s a Dru on OUR side”
Stupidly OT, but I wanted to let you know Dru, how very much I enjoy reading your name on Firedoglake and appreciate what you have to say – even if it is only “Feingold!”.
-Jacqrat
Wilkerson says on CNN: Feith politicized the intelligence on Iraq, so did the VP, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld.
siun — don’t you think that the letter Dean got out was surrepticious? He has to represent the party, the whole party. He couldn’t come out in total support of Feingold, when most of his party was officially “I haven’t decided yet.” It’s good that he got out what he did, because (1) if the appeal does raise funds, that shows the party that defending Feingold is good for the party, and indirectly that supporting Feingold is okay; and (2) it gets more coverage for Feingold. I think this was a good thing for Dean and Feingold.
Wilkerson ended his interview by saying that the American people are just waking up to the fact that they were LIED to.
Mercury,
“Is it a one day funraising blitz exclusive to Feingold’s PAC…”
What a great idea…you betcha, if Jane and Christie (god that sounds strange!!) get behind it I think it would catch on throughout the blogosphere.
KEEP THE FAITH, THEY HAVEN’T GOT ALL OUR MONEY YET!!
Man, I’m glad to live in Wisconsin lately! Too bad our other Senator is Herb Kohl, who is basically Bayh without the strong convictions.
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Hello to everyone, as always, will post when I can. Hugs and kisses to y’all.
Keep up the fight! And a Happy St. Patrick’s Day to all, especially to Mr. Patrick Fitzgerald.
since we’re bi-siting, here’s something I posted on our other spot:
There is an essential error in the Dem strategy – they have assumed that people voted for Newt, et al and for Bush, et al because they agreed with them on policy.
People rarely vote on policy, they vote on character – and while we know these critters have none, they know how to project character.
What hurt Kerry the most (besides being a nitwit) was the I voted for it before I voted against it. What got Bush votes was “I know what he stands for”
If, as I believe strongly, most non-voters are not simply “apathetic” but rather do not see enough impact and difference no matter who they vote for – and if voters have a choice between someone who appears to have strong principles and someone mired in nuance, they will vote for the one who takes a stand – again, “at least I know where he stands”
This is why we are falling all over Feingold – how many here have reviewed his voting record, position on all issues, analysed his strategic thinking, sorted our his foreign policy positions, etc? a few maybe – we’re cheering for the guy who took a stand.
There is no big tent that will attract non-voters and centrist voters and lefty voters – but a tent with a great liontamer will draw one helluva crowd.
siun | 03.17.06 – 2:56 pm | #
censure has no teeth whatsoever. it is a fucking parliamentary move with no real consequences. the fact that the losers in the democratic party can’t even step up and reprimand bush for breaking the law tells me all i need to know about these idiots. look at the polls! what are they afraid of?
people talk about impeachment… heh- get real…
Samurai Sam: as a Hoosier I found your characterization of “Herb Kohl as like Bayh but without the strong convictions” wickedly good. It will be quoted down here…
OK, everyone who is pissed at the Democratic Party elected leadership for not supporting Feingold…let’s start a movement to move the Golden Boy to the front of the PAC, so ta speak. If we all send e-mails to ‘im and organize a 1 or 2 day fundraising blitz accross the blogosphere, that should stick a sharp pole up the ass of the rest of the elected Dems. Let’s take over the Democratic Party right now behind Feingold…we got nuthin ta lose and the money we send to him won’t go to vichy Dems.
KEEP THE FAITH, THEY’LL START GETTIN’ IT ANY TIME NOW!!!
Herb Kohl hasn’t been awake fer 6 years…let’s not wake ‘im up now!
In our continuing quest for words that describe repugs actions; for one word memes that require no further definition, maps or pictures to explain. We have today’s candidate. It is a time honored, loaded political word, straight out of historic illegality of Repug admins past.
Cover-Up.
Every single one of use should be repeating it. Early and often. Ad nauseum if need be – I for one never tire of it.
What are the Republican’s covering up?
I’m surprised Cafferty didn’t use the word (or at least none of you have said he has – he is a smart guy with a good ear, so maybe he did). It might get over-used given that everything the repugs do seems to involve a cover-up, but I’ll take the chance it becomes stale and loses its power.
Redd, feel free to use. It’s beauty is that everyone knows what it means.
What are you covering up about the War?
What are you covering up about the lies that were told to sell the public on the war?
What are you covering up about the outing of Plame? Of the role of Karl Rover, of the role of the Vice President and his cheif of staff, Scooter Libby?
What are you covering up about the failed response to Katrina?
What are you covering up about about Jack Abramoff’s connection with the you and your White House.
Its easy, its free, and its fun (in some ass backwards, since, yeah, it would be better if we had competent, open representation).
Redd – Not that you will need help, but it might not be a bad ace in the hole to keep for tomorrow. :) (I want my emoticons)
Guess what? That master of insulting nonsense, whom we feted here at FDL, Joe Klein, is going to be on Lou Dobbs this hour.
Guess it’s time to switch to TCM. Klein makes my blood pressure leap to stratospheric levels. Too dangerous.
Oh, and I just want to say that I’m furious with the Dems like all of you.
But for the long term, I’m positive. We’ve got the energy, we’re way ahead of the curve when it comes to sensing what the American psyche believes and needs. I think we have to be the leaders now, we have to keep hammering, and events will combine with our efforts to prove that we’re right about the Constitution and about this administration. Patience (even in the midst of ripping our hair out and banging our heads on the wall) will bring the cowards around. They will have to either join us or ultimately be defeated by new candidates who know how to fight.
It’s (sadly) a long game. Who is the poster? “ck” I think — who keeps comparing this to the Civil War, that cowardly McClellan vs. Grant and Sherman. That’s the right image. We have to be in this for the long haul.
I’m just so glad we have this place to vent and to support each other, and to bounce new ideas around.
So thanks again to Jane and ReddHedd and all of you fellow commenters. God bless us everyone.
scarecrow asks in #40 if the Dean letter isn’t a good way to show support for Feingold within the constraints of Dean’s role.
In my experience, the party chair enforces party discipline and controls candidates by controlling the cash. From what I’ve seen, the DNC is very big on raising cash but has taken on no role defining party positions, let along disciplining Dems who don’t toe the party line.
When the party itself won’t even act partisan enough to support such a wimpy gesture as a censure, why have a party? Dems love the cash game but they think they get paid whether they work or not … and it’s time to teach them about the real world.
I love the idea of a day of cash to Russ, none to any other D orgs. Take the time to organize this enough to have a significant impact and they might take notice.
MrsK8,Cool,idnit?
NorskeFlamethrower said – “OK, everyone who is pissed at the Democratic Party elected leadership for not supporting Feingold…let’s start a movement to move the Golden Boy to the front of the PAC, so ta speak.”
I am in.
It would be most successful with lots of frontpage coverage on the blogs. Also, any Moveon.org movers and shakers listening to this? Moveon.org could really help crank up the numbers.
MrsK8 – I make do with CNBC, its not perfect, they are a bunch of corporatist repugs (things like “Port Deal. Ummmmm, not a big thing, will be forgotten in a week”), but they are not “social” repugs, they just care how things will effect the markets, so it is easier to take. And some of it is quite funny (although not intended to be – like that Port Deal No Biggy thing.
I’ve been calling my Democratic senator (Ron Wyden of Oregon) every day this week, alternating between his Portland office and his Washington office.
On Thursday I found that the good senator had finally taken a position and finally had an answer for my questions and concerns. He wanted an investigation but made conciliatory sounds about poor Russ Feingold. Ugh.
Gee… it only took him 4 days to make up his mind on whether or not to support his colleague. Although it’s not really much support.
I’m so frustrated. Instead of calling today I sent the following email via his website. I’m glad I read this article first because I appended a section about the Rassmussen poll (as you can see):
EPU – I was addicted to CNBC for a long time. I enjoy the “everything comes down to how they move the markets” and in ways, though not yet reflected on CNBC, the corporate world is moving to progressive much faster than the political one. Take a look at the upcoming Ceres conference for a glimpse of what’s going on in the corporate scene – http://www.ceres.org. They even have Gore keynoting.
I mentioned this the other night, but with all the confusion with the transition underway, it wouldn’t surprise me if very few people saw it:
This week I received solicitations for contributions from the DCCC and DSCC.
Happily, I took a big fat sharpie pen and wrote across a page from each envelope:
Not one penny until you support Russ Feingold! Censure King George! Save Our Constitution!
Then I stuffed each page in its respective return envelope, and sent it off immediately, on their nickel (postage-wise).
Made me feel much, much better. And who knows, maybe it’ll have an effect if we all do it. That’s what I did when all the fraidy cats were dithering over Howard Dean: I wrote “Not one red cent unless Howard Dean is DNC Chair!” — and we got Howard. I’ll get this message out to them whatever way I can.
On Monday I think I’ll call DNC offices in D.C. directly. Does anybody have phone numbers for DCCC and DSCC (fax numbers would be loverly too!)??
If I my make an anology (and you couldn’t stop me from doing so anyway): Dean is in essence the Chairman and CEO of Dem Corp, thus the top dog; the elected officials are all the workers (even if white collar)who theoretically work for you and me, THE SHAREHOLDERS.
The Chairman and CEO/Preznit of the party not only sets policy (the role of a board) but also implements that policy (the role of executive officers). It is perfectly proper, nay mandatory, that Dean take the lead. He has not only the right but the duty to choose what is corporate policy (such as supporting censure) which employees to support on our behalf, which ones to promote, which ones to demote, which ones to provide more capital resources to, etc., etc.
If Dean can’t get off the pot, than we, as shareholders, need to elect and new board and senior management.
It many not be a perfect analogy, but I think it is a good way for us to think about it and think about the roles of all involved. At the end of the day, Dean works for us, and our employees work for us.
And if any pol doesn’t understand that they are our employee and their job is to do what is best for their shareholders, then it is our job to fire them and replace them with people who will.
the Internets are wonderful things for looking up contact numbers. Something called “Google” can help you…
Siun – Thanks for the link.
Rhodes Scholar? Well, hell that explains it right there. I was a supporter of Bill Bradley as well. Let’s push through a Constitutional Ammendment that no one can hold that office that isn’t a Rhodes Scholar. Might weed out a few of the dick weeds IMHO.
Like Wyden – who was not a Rhode Scholar. Can we implement a rule not to talk about his weaseling – I keep getting reminded that I once worked for him in DC and it is pissing me off.
The Big Dog was just a barefoot country boy from Arkansas who went to Oxford…
Feingold, Boxer, Harkin, Conyers..not many heroes for us in the Democratic Party but better some than none. The rest of the Dems can go jump in the fucking ocean along with the Rethugs as far as I’m concerned.
Feingold for President! Yeah, baby.
EPU — Thanks for the CNBC suggestion. I had so thoroughly forgotten about that station, it took me several minutes to find it amongst all the rest of the basic cable junk.
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Tech question for everybody:
Can anybody tell me if there’s a way to get that “ID repetition cookie” to kick in on this site? What I mean is, it’s going to get annoying, really quickly, if I have to keep typing in my email address every single time I write a message. My handle is short enough, I don’t mind that, but the email address is starting to tick me off.
I have cookies permitted for this website on my firewall software. At some point will the identification info just “take” and start appearing automatically?
Apologies for my ignorance in advance…
PS. FDL.com rules. blogger sucks.
Bill Clinton was a Rhode’s scholar too.
MrsK8 – #58, which I did not see. That is what I am talking about: shareholder activism.
you bet EPU …
I’m just sitting here stunned by an ad that just ran on CNN (in between Lou Dobbs snarking it up vs. Bush) from Evangelicals against global warming – here’s a CNN article -
http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/0…..e/?cnn=yes
and the group is at
http://www.christiansandclimate.org
They’re still on their abortion kick but this is good news.
Since it was EPU’d below, this is the link to my input on the ABA’s position
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ment-53220
IMO – the “bipartisan investigation” has taken place. ABA did it – pretty impressive list of credentials for all involved. The ABA then overwhelming endorsed the task force findings and resolutions.
In addition, a long list of Con. Law scholars (their letter linked as well) have skewered the program. Ex DOJ lawyer Kris whose emails were released – says it doesn’t hold. Dean Koh and Fein – pretty much round out the top law schools, bipartisan scholars, and add them in with past CIA GC, FBI Dir. SEssions, etc. — We have HAD the bipartisan investigation with the heavyweights, front liners, etc. already.
OTOH, Specter was able to get Gonzales himself (who faces criminal penalties under FISA if he doesn’t support the program); Woolsey (who is busy working to keep Libby out of jail right now) and a guy from Pepperdine who says that the focus shouldn’t really be if things are legal or not — as authority for the program.
MrsK* – If you are using IE, go to the TOOLS menu, pick INTERNET OPTIONS, when that opens up click the CONTENT tab, you will see a button that says AUTOCOMPLETE – hit that. It will open up another box – check off the one that says forms. Click OK all the way out.
Pretty sure that will do it.
the Internets are wonderful things for looking up contact numbers. Something called “Google†can help you…
Well, thank you for that. I assumed (wrongly, it turns out) that because I couldn’t find their phone numbers on any of the literature they sent, that it was some sort of closely held “secret.”
Thanks, EPU!
I don’t use IE, wouldn’t use it if someone paid me to. Too dangerous, security-wise. But you’ve given me an important clue. Off to check out my Firefox “Options” menus. I hope it’s possible to check an auto-complete option by individual website.
Once upon a time I accidentally hit a button with a wrong “drop-down” auto-complete form chosen, “fat-finger syndrome,” doncha know…and ended up having to change my handle and go through all sorts of extra security hoops because I had accidentally posted everything about myself on a public board. Ick. My own fault, it was, but too easy a mistake to have happen.
Mrs.K8: let me apologize for my ’snippy’ answer to your question about using Google. It’s so easy nowadays to find contact information about just any organization…
Mrs K8
I’m not having a problem although all the posts aren’t here, some are posting at blogspot.com
interesting – a comment I posted is labelled as awaiting moderation … not sure if it shows up to everyone or just to me? would be #70?
on the new site topic – my only gripe is that links do not open in new windows
otherwise, it’s all good to me
Siun #70 is from Mary, not you – you don’t have a post next to it either.
I agree on the hyperlinks. But that is something they can easily change. Right now I think they are still working out more major things.
So, Jane, if you are reading this, at some point will you please make hyperlinks open up a new window automatically. Thank you.
Here’s an interesting question for the thugs. Who do you want yer daddy to be? A Rhodes Scholar or the fuckin chimp? …I’m awaitin.
CRC – Sadly, some, like Tweety, pick Chimpy. I know, I know, hard to believe, but…..
Suin. If you are using firefox,try right clicking the link. It should give you the option of opening in a new window.
No apology needed, Wilson! (But thanks!) I should have checked first, it’s just that part of my rant to Mr. K8 the other night was that those scoundrels had no contact info whatsoever on the lit they sent me — like they didn’t want any input, just my money. All that was available was just the p.o. box on the return envelope.
So I (wrongly) assumed they made it hard to find them everywhere. Now I see there are email addresses for them, too. Will poke further to look for fax numbers.
I think it’s a good idea to bombard both DSCC and DCCC with telephone calls, faxes, even snail mail — with our politely worded, but VERY emphatic demands to support Russ.
Why should they be left out of the loop?
What do y’all think? Shall we let ‘em have it with both barrels?
Wow, it remembered my name. Weird that it types in the box and in the preview box at the same time.
Anyhoo, I have decided that for today the glass is hall full having heard that bush is a liar on T.V. several times today. Regardless of what else is happening, that is progress towards the truth. Bush lies, has lied, and will lie to America tomorrow.
I also heard Anderson Cooper last night declare that he doesn’t quite believe the hype about this ‘attack.’ He said once the trust is gone, you can’t get it back. HooHoo.
So for today, the glass is half full. I simply can’t remain on the floor emotionally for much longer, so today I lift my head up.
Joke Klein just got slapped hard by Lou Dobbs and said to the other ‘journalists’– anyone want to help me out here? Priceless.
CNN is making ‘questioning noises’ about Operation Swarmer … they aren’t ready to call it a hoax, a fraud, a scam — but they are hinting it might not be efficacious…
Another reason to be thankful today is my neighbors called my association and inquired if I was O.K. Here in MN we have had 2 snowstorms right after one another and I have been so down, and so tired after the last 3 weeks, I haven’t gone anywhere or even bothered to shovel out.
It is comforting to be asked how I am. As so many of you have asked in the past weeks. Did I say thanks? Thanks.
EPU – One of the reasons why I liked Clinton so much – and he did have his problems – was that he could actually think beyond what he was going to have for his fuckin breakfast. God save us from these dolts.
ralphbon (#16) — I posted a comment earlier today explaining what I believe is the concern for Dean and DNC.
http://www.haloscan.com/commen…..44/#412846
I wouldn’t give to the DSCC or the DCCC until the Senators they support get on board with Feingold. But I’d give to the DNC because it’s goals are NOT the same as DSCC/DCCC. Better yet, give directly to your local party, cut out the middle men.
Grandma J
We were talking about that last night. I kept thinking of the fake war in the movie , “Wag the Dog!”
Bustednuckles—thanks for that right click tip. Works like a charm.
wow – I’ve been deleted!
since it wasn’t trollish I’m guessing it’s a glitch or test … the post is up on the other site just fine
it was a link to an evangelical group that is advertising for action on climate change and, while they are spouting the usual anti-choice, etc stuff, they do a great job on climate change/global warming
ps – non-opening new windows is simply an issue of mine – when I ran a site, it was an absolute rule that we never sent people off our site but always opened a second page for any link – just good traffic management. Understood that we’re still at the big transition issue stage, just mentioned to get it on the list.
Since today’s glass is half full, thanks to this site allowing me to refresh without leaving the comments. Much saving on clicking energy.
Grandma J – I’m glad to hear you have good neighbors! and always glad to see you here.
Mrs. K8 – I think we need a Howell the DCCC and DSCC as well. And any direct mail without a phone number is bad marketing 101 – sheesh, they don’t even have good design teams! (of course, they just want your money, not your thoughts so I guess no phone # is strategic)
GrandmaJ –
I’m with you, sweetie. The glass is half full for me, too. We need to find our strength within, as it will indeed be a very long battle. But I like our chances and our situation much better than Georgie’s.
Did someone offer to come dig you out of your snow drifts? I hope you have someone to help.
The support here on this board is a huge help, isn’t it? It feels as real a community as anything I’ve encountered in “real” life. [Still keeping your whole family in my prayers.]
siun –
Actually, the DCCC sent me a form to fill out, to tell them my “priorites.” I took my big fat sharpie and wrote across it “Here’s my priority: Save the Constitution! Support Russ & Censure King George!”
But no contact numbers anywhere, the cowardly rascals.
Mary @ March 17th, 2006 3:31 pm — Thanks for the links. I think I remember reading about this in some news article somewhere, but it’s an extraordinary report to have gotten so little attention.
Suin, See post #80. You might have missed it. Like me, bouncing between both sites.
Thanks Bustedknuckles (now why does that name worry me?)
I’m on a pc laptop today (and until my beloved powerbook with safari gets fixed) but I have to run IE (company laptop/no downloading s/w, etc … luckily I’m in the “creative” area and allowed to view all the net and not just the intranet screens!)
Happy St Pat’s and middle of the evenin to all. Just returned home from my corned beef and cabbage down at the VFW. What a riot those guys are…..everyone is dressed up in green…I mean, even their shoes! The reason why I love to go there is because I am always the youngest in the place! For $6 they give you a double drink, corned beef, cabbage potatoes carrots roll.the works.
Of course, they didn’t have my Tequila Rose so I came home early and I got one now.
I brought up a conversation wrt our cammando and they all agreed that while he is in office, they can’t say anything bad about him. Strange…
EPU – I know those Scholars come in all shapes and sizes. Do you happen to be one, by any chance?
Hoooo Boy.
Michael Wolff (sp?) of Vanity Fair is on CNBC now claiming that “V for Vendetta” [which the channel mistakenly calls “V Is For Vendetta” in their graphics] glorifies terrorism. An “incendiary movie” he claims.
Figures.
Mrs. K8 @ March 17th, 2006 4:16 pm — Considering what happens to the Parliement in the previews, “incendiary” might be a good description.
ccmask –
Do you remember if the folks at your VFW felt the same “speak no evil” obligation when Clinton was CinC?
since we’re asking personal questions …
EPU – read Ian Banks? (w or w/o the initial)
I always imagine you as a culture ship
So, is this how it feels to be pandered to?
I like it.
Keep pandering, Russ, just keep pandering me.
mmmmmmmmmm
Yay, the timestamp works now, and in this comment section, my previous message got stamped 4:20.
Woo hee !
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Cujo –
Good point, LOL!
I just think the commentator could have mentioned the extent of the lock-down tyranny the character is fighting against in the film (not that I’ve seen it, just have read various articles and descriptions).
Where I come from back home in the Delaware Valley there’s a park along the Wissahickon creek. At that location, American revolutionaries dressed in drab clothing hid up in the tree branches and dropped down upon bright red uniformed British soldiers — those easy targets — to slit their throats. The British Empire called them “terrorists.”
I just dislike the idea of people being turned off to the film without seeing it — because they don’t hear about the CONTEXT.
jane is upstairs with slippery Joe.
siun & EPU — in re: Dean and DNC versus DSCC/DCCC — see my post #87 above.
I will tell you that from the earliest days BEFORE Dean became the DNC Chair, that we, the grassroots, had an understanding with him. Dean went around to all the DFA groups in the U.S., asked them whether he should run in 2008 OR run for DNC chair. We collectively told him to run as DNC chair because without a substantive change to the Dem Party there would be NO Dem with a chance in hell in 2008. (I was present at the discussion he had with 25 Michigan DFA folks in November of 2004, can testify directly to the unanimity of this understanding and the regret with which we came to it.) We knew from our experiences working with the party that real change was critical to the long-term survival of the party, let alone the chance at undoing a Republican majority any time in the next decade.
Dean is doing just that, with the 50-State Strategy. He is spending all the funds that are raised by the DNC on building the grassroots of the party, by hiring and deploying organizers to all 50 states, by doing everything possible to leave no seat uncontested, to concede no vote to the Republican Party whether dogcatcher, school board or Senator.
But this change is ENORMOUSLY at odds with the existing entrenched power structure within the party; it makes their comfortable complacency difficult. Do not expect the DNC to be all about one Senator right now; it can’t afford to be.
Cujo – I just sent the links to Jack Cafferty to fwiw.
I told Bayh’s office and was a bit snitty about the fact that as a member of the ABA he should already know all about it, but I’m happy to send him the info – guess I will on general principles.
As a matter of fact, I think I will send it on to my KY Red Rep Senators too. To me, that’s about as “talking point” as you get — the ABA investigation by heavyweights – add in Tribe et al on their letter, then point out that the Admin supporters get jail time if they don’t support the program bc, after all, it is ILLEGAL, and there you go.
I may draft some LTEs this weekend.
I wonder how much “stage of life” has to do with how much more politicized I feel than any other time in my life? I wonder that bc I now notice that someone I went to highschool with is running for the HOuse in my work city, two someone’s I went to Law School with are in the House (one an ex-AG, and his family was always political) and looking at some Dem-KY sites, I found out another lawschool alum is running in Lex. this year.
Feels odd.
I kinda liked it better when I just didn’t pay attention.
Mrs. K8 @ March 17th, 2006 4:25 pm
That’s one of the items in Carl Sagan’s “Tools for baloney detection” – labeling. Just call something some name people don’t like and you don’t have to discuss it anymore. We had a discussion about that over at the other FDL on the Samarra thread.
It’s probably working the same way here. Label it as “advocating terrorism” and you get some people to shut their minds off.
One of the great things about science fiction and comics (er, graphic novels) is that they get to discuss issues of justice and humanity in a non-threatening setting. It’s too bad yahoos like this reviewer don’t get that.
Where I come from back home in the Delaware Valley there’s a park along the Wissahickon creek.
I grew up in the Lehigh Valley, not far from there. Hadn’t heard the story about hiding in the trees, though.
Mary @ March 17th, 2006 4:36 pm
I wonder how much “stage of life†has to do with how much more politicized
Maybe that’s my “problem”, too, but I like to think that I’m calmer than I was a decade or two ago. I just look at what’s going on right now and realize how much things are changing in a really dreadful direction. Once a freedom is gone, it’s really hard to get it back.
The other reason it may bother me more now is that I’m no longer a kid. This is my world now, along with the rest of us in the boomer generation, and it’s sobering to realize that what we screw up may stay screwed up for the next few generations as well. I want the world to be a better place because we were here, and right now it’s not looking like that’s how it will turn out.
It’s actually been a relief to find there are others who feel the same way.
Mary,
I think you and I are of an age, and although my activism started in ‘89 when I was very involved in AIDS services, I think I am looking back at my years of simple awareness of what was happening around me and feelinga real sense of loss. I remember Jack Kennedy and Martin Luther King through my father and was in high school in the late 60’s. I remember the hope and despair of that time as my sister’s friends came home in body bags and the beauty of the turbulent changes. I have never really stopped being a member of the great unwashed and am proud of it. My high school boyfriend contacted me recently as he does about every 5 years; he is an attorney now and worth 1.5million, so he says, and has a Rolex. This is what I know after 4 e-mails and a phone call, demonstrating the gulf between us after all these years, and it makes me so sad.
It is disheartening to see where we were then, what potential for good there has been over the years and how very badly things have turned out. We could have solved so many things, used corporations for the public good and taken technology and medicine so much farther if there had been an effort to check the avarice and greed. But we have American citizens freezing to death on the streets of our cities and our elders are left alone to die alone. Families are fighting for thier financial lives and there is no such thing as the American Dream anymore. I read about the monumental amounts of money moving around washington and mentally spend it on efforts to improve the lives of millions around the world. The money spent on sports figures alone makes me feel like I need to take a shower.
Am I a hopeless pollyanna? No, I think of myself as an unrealist and am proud to be.
Cujo –
A lovely area, Lehigh Valley. My niece went to college at Lehigh.
The park (actually it’s just a piece which connects with the much larger system, and ultimately with Fairmount Park) I have in mind is called Valley Green.
A gorgeous spot. It’s hard to believe you’re within city limits. Can’t hear traffic, except for the cars snaking in to park at the staggered small lots. There’s a restaurant on the Wissahickon (cleverly called “Valley Green”!) which is a lovely ancient house. Lots of historical info is on display in the restaurant itself.
[Wait — I ought to say that this is how it WAS when I was last there some years back. I HOPE it hasn’t been changed in any way in the interim. Shortly before I moved to the Southwest, the head waiter, who was in his mid-nineties, died in a freak electrocution accident. He had started working at the restaurant in the 1920s. Sigh. I miss living in a place where the vast majority of buildings are much, much older than I am.]
zennurse –
I am like you. Although I tend to think of it as the *real* realism, although perhaps you mean “unrealism” in a tongue-in-cheek way. Vast sums of money seem obscene to me, too. It makes me extremely uncomfortable deep down in my soul to be in the presence of “conspicuous consumption.”
To think that many of the obscenely rich consider themselves to be “Christian” is the icing on the nausea-inducing cake.
“For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but to lose his immortal soul?”
BTW — I owe you an email, but things here at home have been insane; I’ll write as soon as I can. Just want you to know I think of you often, and you and your patients are still in our prayers here.
OT but
woo hoo
the canary is chirping
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A federal judge Friday delayed sentencing of Jack Abramoff, a move the prosecutors requested to further the former lobbyist’s cooperation with their investigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI…..index.html
Norske, Alvord (54), glad you think it makes sense…it seems to me if the blogosphere could, OF ITS OWN ACCORD, suddenly decide to raise, say, a hundred grand in a week for Feingold — or for whoever we wanted to, people might sit up and take fucking notice — especially if we all followed Mrs. K8’s example and let the other Dem orgs know that they’re NOT getting any of that love.
I dunno, makes sense to me.
angie- that is in the “nawhern” suit – in the Florida suit I think he is still looking at 3-29.
ANd BTW – there is a hearing on Safavian’s motion to dismiss on the 24th – and aren’t there supposed to be some additional Libby filings soon?
A whole ‘nuther meaning to March Madness
Rayne 88 –
Thanks for the link to your comment. I appreciate that Dean and the DNC couldn’t have come out (at least at this moment) and actually supported the censure resolution. Still, I found it grating to see the DNC trying to capitalize on Feingold’s suddenly high profile, without actually backing him up, to raise funds.
Beannachtaà Lá fhéile Padhraig oraibh go léir.
And now I’m off to bed as they only let me out of hospital on condition I’d be good. Sheeeeesh it’s like being 8 again and I mean that just as grumpily as it sounds :-) .
Mháircaish Éireannach
markfromireland; gladelig Sct. Patrick’s dag og jeg haaber du foler (o with a line thru it) bedre snart!
ralphbon (119) — When you think about the nature of the DNC, that Dean is trying to fund the grassroots, meaning, trying to help people like me who are running for precinct delegate, training and providing training to other activists, developing our chops as we go door-to-door, I think it perfectly acceptable for Dean to tap the anger the grassroots feels right now about the general Senate Dem malaise to fund the tools to deal with their anger. Works for me.