From the NYTimes: The Newspaper of Appeasement:
We understand the frustration that led Senator Russell Feingold to introduce a measure that would censure President Bush for authorizing warrantless spying on Americans. It’s galling to watch from the outside as the Republicans and most Democrats refuse time and again to hold Mr. Bush accountable for the lawlessness and incompetence of his administration. Actually sitting among that cowardly crew must be maddening.
Still, the censure proposal is a bad idea. Members of Congress don’t need to take extraordinary measures like that now. They need to fulfill their sworn duty to investigate the executive branch’s misdeeds and failings. Talk about censure will only distract the public from the failure of their elected representatives to earn their paychecks.
We’d be applauding Mr. Feingold if he’d proposed creating a bipartisan panel to determine whether the domestic spying operation that Mr. Bush has acknowledged violates the 1978 surveillance law, as it certainly seems to do. The Senate should also force the disclosure of any other spying Mr. Bush is conducting outside the law. (Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has strongly hinted that is happening.)
The Senate Intelligence and Judiciary Committees should do this, but we can’t expect a real effort from Senator Pat Roberts, the Intelligence Committee chairman, or Senator Arlen Specter, chairman of the Judiciary Committee. They’re too busy trying to give legal cover to the president’s trampling on the law and the Constitution.
Wow, what a stellar idea. The NYTimes editorial board would like Harry Reid to shut down the Senate again and demand a blue ribbon bi-partisan commission to investigate what it already reported was going on — using the NSA (and other agencies) for illegal domestic spying without a warrant in violation of the FISA laws and the 4th Amendment. (Remember James Risen? Remember your big news back in December? Hello?!?)
And the shut down of the Senate? Sure, it was a brilliant tactical maneuver at the time — but one that surely works well as a surprise, and when used rarely. Not gonna be much of a surprise at the point, now is it?
And it got us…erm…another blue ribbon panel, this time of Senators, who haven’t been able to move Phase II forward in the Intelligence Committee because the Republicans on the panel aren’t interested in doing any real oversight and the Democrats aren’t the sort who will go public with their concerns. So what did we get? Stalemate.
Just what the nation needs.
You know what I think this nation hungers for — what we are all feeling in the back of our minds and in the deepest parts of our hearts?
That the misuse of government for political payback, rampant cronyism, corrupt influence peddling and bribery, and the overstepping of national security and legal boundaries to spy on Americans whose only crime is to disagree with the President is flat out wrong. And there are a whole lot of us — liberals, ultra-liberals, moderates, libertarians, fiscal conservatives (everyone but the "maintaining party power is my whole world" crowd) — who think that our nation and our Constitution ought to come first.
How about some accountability? Some oversight? Some real work on the part of Congress?
Don’t make me laugh. Republicans control Congress right now. The people who have been placed in the party hierarchy in Congress and in the Committee Chairperson seats are either party loyalists or members who are willing to suppress their own personal ethics in order to hold their power chair.
Remember the last time Arlen Specter forgot his place and got all uppity about honoring the Constitution — and he got a visit telling him he’d be removed from his seat at the head of the Judiciary table? How quickly can a grown man back down from his principles, I ask you? Apparently, pretty damn quick.
This Congress is not going to step up and provide any oversight so long as Republicans control both houses. The party leadership has decided that political power interests trump any allegiance to the Constitution or to our long-term national interests with regard to liberty or laws, and the hell with that pesky oath to the Constitution they all take when they enter their public office. It’s a sad fact, but it is true nonetheless.
There are two options for dealing with the illegal NSA domestic spying on the table at the moment that hold some promise for accountability: censure or the appointment of an independent counsel. Everything else is simply window dressing and appeasement.
And for all those wingnuts who are now hopping up and down and saying I’m soft on terrorists and unpatriotic and I don’t want to give the President the tools he needs to protect America and fight terrorists, I have this to say: BULLSHIT.
No one in their right mind is saying that surveillance under the law is not an appropriate means of combatting terrorism. No Democrats are saying this that I’ve heard, and I spend a whole lot of time listening about this issue. Hell, I’ve helped write up enough wiretapping warrants in my day for undercover investigations to know how useful they are as a tool — they are essential. But they also must be tempered with the review of a third party with no personal interest in the investigation, to be certain that this awesome power is not being misused.
And that is the point: every police officer and federal agent in this country knows that they have to do the proper paperwork and present it to a judge for their third party, objective review, before proceeding with the substantial power that the government has of investigation.
There are emergency provisions already written into these laws which allow for surveillance to begin — and for the government to be able to wait up to 72 hours before obtaining the warrant, after they have already been doing the surveillance. The FISA laws already cover this contingency.
There are very good reasons for third party oversight by the judiciary — the power that the government has to do surveillance is enormous. And it has the potential for misuse, because that temptation is great.
The fundamental question that every citzen in this nation ought to be asking themselves is this: do I trust the government to make appropriate choices each and every time they decide to surveil someone, and to not misuse this power to spy on their political enemies or on people who criticize them or for some other wholly inappropriate purpose?
And then ask yourself this question: would I trust the government not to misuse its power if it were being run by the person on the opposite side of the political chasm that I distrust most? Just think about that for a second, and see if you don’t get a huge flinch in your gut at all the possibilities.
Our Founding Fathers had a substantial mistrust of unfettered power, which is why our system was set up as one of checks and balances. It was that whole getting out from beneath the boot of the King for them — and the fact that they had to fight for every inch of liberty that we now blithely toss aside in the name of partisanship.
I remember the days when the Republican Party gave lip service to the notion that individual rights were most important and that government ought not tread on our freedoms or our liberties. Those days are over under the current party leadership — and all those civil libertarians and anti-government folks out there had better get used to it, or rise up and start taking their party back. Today it’s domestic spying without a warrant and to hell with the 4th Amendment. You think if the crony money isn’t in it for them they won’t start chipping away at the 2nd Amendment, too?
The 1st Amendment has already taken a hit — can’t have people disagreeing with George Bush where he might actually see or hear him, so we already scuttle those horrible, nasty people who want to hold their government accountable by having the Secret Service drag them out of any public appearance the President might make. (The fact that these appearances are paid for with public funding be damned.) You think the whole of the Bill of Rights isn’t up for sale right now? Jane was absolutely right that the Dubai deal was the prime example of national security and public interest taking a back seat to the crony with the largest, bulging wallet.
This is not a partisan issue. That it may have use for partisan implications is plain, but fundamentally for me, this is an issue that is wrong at its Constitutional core. Our government is failing all of us, because they are no longer interested in governing. It’s about maintaining power — and the status quo — and every citizen in this nation ought to be sick at how things are currently being run in Washington.
I do not trust the Bush Administration to do anything that is not in their own personal or crony interests, and the nation be damned. And a whole hell of a lot of Americans out there are feeling the same way — I get e-mails about this daily, and not just from our usual progressive readers, it’s been libertarians and fiscal conservatives as well.
The system of checks and balances is currently skewed, because Republicans control both Congress and the White House — and the Republicans in Congress have abdicated their oversight and balancing responsibilities in favor of being a rubber stamp for the Bush Administration.
The New York Times is high on something if they think that simply setting up a "bi-partisan commission" to study the potential problems with the current system is going to do any good. What part of the President admitting publicly on multiple occasions that he was breaking the FISA laws — and that he would continue to do so — are they not understanding?
What part of this country being a nation of laws that the President — who is after all only a man elected to office for a short period of time — has to follow just like every other citizen in this nation do they not understand?
It’s the accountability, stupid. For me it comes down to this: are you an accountability patriot — or are you just another appeasement rubber stamp?
Give me liberty. Give me accountability. Give me my Constitution back.



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Happy St. Patrick Fitzgerald’s Day! Top of the mornin’ Christy!
The Feb. 17 decision by Judge Trager in Arar v. Ashcroft can be found at
http://www.justicescholars.org…..060217.pdf
It is the ruling discussed by Nat Hentoff on March 13 in the Village Voice: The Torture Judge
U.S. court rules our government can break international laws to keep us safe.
Hentoff writes:
In a startling, ominous decision—ignored by most of the press around the country—Federal District Judge David Trager, in the Eastern District of New York, has dismissed a lawsuit by a Canadian citizen, Maher Arar, who, during a stopover at Kennedy Airport on the way home to Canada after vacation, was kidnapped by CIA agents.
. . . In his decision, Trager said that if a judge decided, on his or her own, that the CIA’s “extraordinary renditions” were always unconstitutional, “such a ruling can have the most serious consequences to our foreign relations or national security or both.” . . .
What about the separation of powers? Ah, said Trager, “the coordinate branches of our government [executive and legislative] are those in whom the Constitution imposes responsibility for our foreign affairs and national security. Those branches have the responsibility to determine whether judicial oversight is appropriate.” . . .
I have not finished reading the 88-page decision by Judge Trager, but wanted to pass this along in case others want to delve into it.
Hard to figure out why my comments sometimes don’t post here. Trying again:
The Feb. 17 decision by Judge Trager in Arar v. Ashcroft can be found at
http://www.justicescholars.org…..060217.pdf
It is the ruling discussed by Nat Hentoff on March 13 in the Village Voice: The Torture Judge
U.S. court rules our government can break international laws to keep us safe.
Hentoff writes:
In a startling, ominous decision—ignored by most of the press around the country—Federal District Judge David Trager, in the Eastern District of New York, has dismissed a lawsuit by a Canadian citizen, Maher Arar, who, during a stopover at Kennedy Airport on the way home to Canada after vacation, was kidnapped by CIA agents.
. . . In his decision, Trager said that if a judge decided, on his or her own, that the CIA’s “extraordinary renditions” were always unconstitutional, “such a ruling can have the most serious consequences to our foreign relations or national security or both.” . . .
What about the separation of powers? Ah, said Trager, “the coordinate branches of our government [executive and legislative] are those in whom the Constitution imposes responsibility for our foreign affairs and national security. Those branches have the responsibility to determine whether judicial oversight is appropriate.” . . .
I have not finished reading the 88-page decision by Judge Trager, but wanted to pass this along in case others want to delve into it.
Redd, why must comments sometimes “await moderation”?
Thanks, Angie. You, too. :)
Am having trouble with the blogspot software this morning — cannot get it to post properly, just FYI for everyone. If you were looking at the old site for this post and couldn’t find it, it’s because the software won’t let me post…again…this morning, for some reason. (Yep, there are many reasons why we’ve had to live through the ordeal of moving. This is the biggest one.)
Prof — no idea. It may just be a bug that we are working out at the moment. Will check on that…
The Dewine bill authorizing unlimited domestic surveillance, which Glenn Greenwald says the WaPo has mischaracterized this morning, can be found at http://www.scotusblog.com/mova…..nebill.pdf
Also, you’ll see that I tried to post the same long message twice (modifying the first line so it would sneak through the “duplicates” filter). The reason is that the first time, even the “awaiting moderation” signal didn’t appear; nada; just no comment. So tried again.
Prof — I just don’t have an answer. It may have something to do with length or with having links in the post, but I really have no idea. As I said, I’ll ask — I’m not very tech-oriented, but I’m certain the genius who has been re-coding all of this for us will be able to tell me. I’ll let you know.
Redd, not sure why you have a picture of TJ for a quote from Patrick Henry, but it is a nice picture anyway.
Maybe you didn’t want to give the full quote because it might be mistaken as an invitation by some….
Elizabeth de la Vega on the Administrations stonewalling and obfuscation on the NSA scandal is a must read. It is called “Reprogramming the Inifinite Loop.” Her point is that the BushCo. defense is a series of obfuscations that eventually lead back to the starting point, and you go round and round forever. It takes a finer legal mind than mind to understand everything she says, but even for me it is worth reading. She is a former US Attorney.
Along with our hostesses, de la Vega is one of the most astute commentators on Bushco malefeasance.
http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=8716
Well, at least the two-site blog keeps us always on the alert. Been posting for the last hour to the old ‘late night’ post. And here you all are. Or at least some of you. This new site had been remembering my name and email, but forgot it this time. And wow, as I type it goes right into preview mode. At least there is a preview mode. Progress.
As for the post itself, everyone (in D.C.) keeps talking about finding out whether Bush broke the law. Don’t the newspapers and congresscritters keep up with the news? No investigations are scheduled, none will be done, and many legal scholars have already said it was illegal. Gesh. Asking for an investigation is just kicking the ball …
I want my country back.
Prof — because the new software wouldn’t take the picture that I wanted to use, and I was in a rush because blogspot won’t let me post this morning. I’ve previously used this picture and I needed to get this up. Searching for proper pictures is a long process for Jane and I — and this morning, Jefferson was the best I could do under the circumstances.
Oops! malfeasance…”male-feasance” is bad things that guys do.
A “commission?” Run by Rubber Stamp Republicans?
tie a blue ribbon ’round the old oak tree
male-fees-ants = what guys charge to spray Raid
sing it, Redd! shout it into the teeth of the gale force storm of wrong-ness.
beautiful rant.
there’s gonna be some serious housecleaning to be done in DC after 11/06….if the Dems can get their act together.
male-feces – political bullshit from the “daddy” party
Like many of you, I am at a loss as to where the roving party is these days. I wish the font here was smaller, but nonetheless it is a lot nicer than haloscan.
Punaise-
That would be Tom DeLay??
Oh, EPU, have mercy on us elderly visually challenged!! This is so much easier for me!! My work computer (charting program) is an 8 font, and it can’t be enlarged. I come here to rest.
Prof — re “the rest of the quote” — I am resisting the notion that we’ve come to that point, but I’m frankly losing faith in other alternatives. I have yet to hear a credible argument or strategy for how we bring this lawless regime down, alone with the immoral sycophants who support it.
“Accountability” is a very polite term, but what does it mean, given the enormity of the crimes that are being committed, daily, before our eyes? We are witnessing war crimes, not merely “hight crimes and misdemeanors.” Removal from office is the least of the sanctions that would satisfy “accountability.”
The picture of Jefferson is a reminder that he once said that we might need a revolution every 20 years or so. Empty rhetoric, I suppose, but perhaps he really meant it. After all, his generation had risked everything, including their lives, to fight and win a revolution against a lawless and unaccountable regime.
I have have been struggling with the notion that we do not really have a coherent strategy, or even an effective tactic. In the somewhat romaticized movie about Ghandi, he adopts a strategy of “non-violent, non-cooperation.” That helped remove the British regime, but only because there were specified ways of “non-cooperation” that really weakened the regime. What are the counterparts here, in our time?
I cannot see how in good conscience I can support this regime, but just spouting off here on fdl, or sending a few $$ to Lamont and Ciro, etc, and making phone calls to people asking them to grow up — as much as I support these actions, frankly, they just seem pitifully inadequate. We need something more. But I don’t know what it is, and if there is no clear answer, was Jefferson correct?
How can one NOT COOPERATE with this regime in ways that will make a difference?
“I withhold allegiance from this lawless, unAmerican regime, and reaffirm my alliance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. . . .”
Christy-
just a question for whenever.. Will there be a blogroll and a firedoglake donation button here as well? I know blogrolls are cluttery, but I personally like them as a way to learn.
Hi, Fiona!
And my apologies for my typing, for which even “preview” (thanks for that, FDL) is not sufficient remedy.
Zennurse – Not so much the font of the comment type, but the font for the numbering is way to large, and the layout could use more of the page so that you could read more with less scrolling. I don’t have a vote, so I don’t think you have anything to worry about.
I have heard that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I am so frustarated with all the blatant, lying lip-service this brown-nosed Congress has done on each and every issue Bush has screwed up. For the NYT to suggest that they have a committee to look into it (yet again) is pure insanity.
I felt the heat and passion of your comments as I read your post. And I sense a huge amount of frustration and resentment at the general laissez-faire attitude of the corporate press, Democratic constituancy, and Democtic members of Congress.
I have called Senators during the Alito cloture vote and presently during this Censure battle, leaving my thoughts, feelings and suggestions with them (including a few false zip codes and false current cities of residency…my bad?).
I am frightened that our Village-idiot President and his Neo-con masters are driving our Nation to the point of no return deliberately and intentionally. With their theocratic grip on the judiciary, election machine rigging and corporate control of the media, I sometimes worry that our opposition and actions are too little , too late.
The redemption and hope I find is in this domain of like voices, thoughts and actions. Its re-assuring and gives me the strength to make yet another call, to sign another petition, to donate a little green here and there.
I have to rememeber that our cause will not be won if we don’t begin the battle. And the battle will not be won if we decide not to fight. So on it goes….
As someone said earlier, I consider myself to be a proud (though weary) member of the Firedog Brigade…Thanks for your words, encouragement and stamina Jane and Christy.
Zen — yes, we’ll be redoing the blogroll as soon as we are settled in here. We didn’t want to get it typed in only to have it disappear and have to do it all over again.
As for the donation button, it’s already up (via paypal) just underneath the FDL store ad in the upper right.
EPU – I agree about the number font and less scrolling. Those are issues that will be addressed AFTER the damn thing runs right. Too many bugs right now.
zennurse – have job interview on Tuesday because of you . . .
my logic: if I’m gonna make crap money, might as well make crap money doing something I’d like and might make a difference
. . .so it’s for a glorified gopher position at our county’s only domestic violence shelter
and it all started w/ your reference to redneck mother – so keep reading through all the blogrolls you can handle, ya never know where it might lead.
CRS said it wasn’t legal, and so did Specter!
Redd – there is another track to this. What’s happened with the court cases that were raised after the program was exposed? There were a number of court cases.
This may have been posted earlier, but I think it’s pretty important, given the sphere of our discussions. I totally forget how I got to it, bopping around this morning. Another example of priority dissonance..
from Bob Harris:
“Temp worker, regular guy with a wife and a dog and a mortgage and all, stumbles across legal documents indicating that Diebold looks way fishy re California elections. Like their-own-attorneys-thought-it-was-criminal fishy. (Incidentally, since Democrats simply cannot be elected nationally without California, this is a national issue. Big time.)
So guy blows the whistle, sends the papers to the California secretary of state, calls the newspapers, tries to protect the most fundamental aspect of our democracy. Like that.
Our friend seems to have pissed off the big boys royally. Now he’s facing three felony charges.”
What was that crime again?
Right, set up another committee to look into this whole thing again. Are they expecting different answers this time? Are they, maybe, thinking it will get results? because I think another committee looking at this is a waste of time and OUR money. Especially since any honest results will be buried, just like the last time.
Marrons.
Give me liberty. Give me accountability. Give me my Constitution back.
Oh, Christy that is one beautiful post! Give us our country back! It hurts to be us right now, we are way past the tipping point, people hate us around the globe, thanks to bushco. That’s why I cringe when people say that we are the world’s greatest superpower, greatest democracy, leader of the free world, blah, blah, blah. Today it is not true and has not been for a long time now. We have an ideological bunch of morons leading the charge that abortion and contraception should be outlawed, yet those same people clamor for the death penalty and the bombing of innocents who never hurt us. There is such a huge disconnect here. People in Africa are dying in genocidal attacks and from starvation, filthy or no water, HIV/AIDS and other treatable diseases. What does this administration do? Cut funding. bushco’s lauded increase in funding to fight AIDS worldwide is severely hamstrung by the fundies’ demand that birth control not be part of the picture– only abstinence will do. I could go on and on– there are angry proclamations against Venezuela/Cuba/Haiti, etc. None of it helps us. We need to clean house and get back some dignity and join the world community instead of alienating everyone.
‘The first step is for the American people to demand accountability from this government.’ The world is watching and waiting for a change. That is why Senator Feingold’s move to censure has made me so hopeful and why I clamor for Patrick Fitzgerald. I want the world to know that a lot of us over here do care about our democratic republic and the ideals it holds dear and we care about those less fortunate than us.
zennurse says:
March 17th, 2006 at 8:02 am
Punaise-
That would be Tom DeLay??
that thought came to mind, but I didn’t want to indict all maledom (present company included) by association with the Bugman. nowadays he tries to spray Reid, not Raid.
Thanx Christy,
I think we are closer to a “revolutionary moment” than I have thought previously. The disarticulation of the mechanisims of power from the great majority of people in the country is creating a vaccuum between each that threatens to blow the whole thing up. We have the corporate media, elected political party leadership and the professional political class working the levers of governance in complete opposition to the interests and views of the majority of citizens. This situation can not last.
The fascist baby that has been gestating since 1877 has been born and the only thing that can kill it now is a real democratic revolution. We have all the structures including parties, ideologies, mediums of communication, social-economic networks and most importantly a constitution necessary to take back power. We don’t have to destroy the village to save it. Most folks understand that everything comin out of Washington is bullshit and the great mass of voters are waiting to take their anger out at the polls. Let’s recognize that the Vichy Democrats are necessary to remove the fascists, they don’t have anywhere to go and they know it…first we get Democratic Party control of both houses of congress, then we back the good guys in the battle for control of that party in January of ‘07, and then we run all the fascists out of government ROOT AND BRANCH!
So let’s not circle our wagons and start shooting each other, let’s keep our eyes on the prize and…
KEEP THE FAITH, THEY CAN’T MAKE A LIE BIG ENOUGH THAT WE ALL CAN SWALLOW!!
zennurse says:
March 17th, 2006 at 8:21 am
thanks for that link. another outrage! great letter to the DA by Bob Harris. love his banner theme: Basic Human Decency Shouldn’t Have to be an Act of Rebellion”
(Ps don’t miss cbl’s shout-out to you above – #30)
Christy, FYI
Via Firefox, I am still getting this message at the new site.
“There is no website configured at this address”
I am commenting here via IE.
John C,
I had no problem connecting here with Firefox.
Open Firefox, try Tool, Options, Privacy, Clear Cache. Then try to link back here.
Thanks RBG. This happened to me at the old site, about one out of every 100 posts. The post I couldn’t get to via Firefox always appeared in Firefox as soon as the next post went up.
Thanks for the post, Redd-Hedd (OK, Ms Smith, but I LOVE that nick-name). My only comment is that the word “incompetence” only appeared once. I think another reason for oversight and checks and balances is to ensure oversight and review necessary to avoid waste and incompetence. I think this should always be emphasized along with danger to civil rights. The saying attributed to Franklin is way too optimistic when applied to Bushites. The Franklin line goes something like “whoever would sacrifice essential liberty for temporary safety will keep neither.” Whenever I hear that I say, yes, that is a wise saying, but who thinks BushCo can keep us safe? I have had zero confidence that BuschCo could keep us safe the day it became clear several years ago that these nuts were actually going to invade Iraq. Everything I have learned since then has decreased my confidence level from that point. I know there is supposed to be some kind of floor at zero, but somehow my confidence keeps dropping anyway. Anyone here feel the same way?
OT Note to Redd-Hedd/Smith re Moussaoui Trial: I have heard media interviews with DA types who are saying that the judges restrictions on what could be done to prepare witnesses in this case was really weird and unusual. They say that the court order absolutely had to be obeyed, but are saying that it was an unusual order, and IMO, implying maybe it was weird, excessive and unreasonable. Could you address this issue next time you post on Maussaoui? The latest news I heard this morning makes the story sound even weirder: something about insurance liability issues, an airline attorney, and prepping witness in way the seems almost like tampering in order to influence court record re liability. This was on morning national radio news and I can’t find a link. this was very early this morning driving to work, and maybe I was very sleepy, but it sounded like crony capitalism interfering with national security (and after the lack of procedure on the UAE ports deal, something that outrageous is plausible to me.)
If you can help me out on this, I would appreciate it.
Someone is very very unhappy….
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor…..815912.stm
The NYT is the paper of the dim witted boy scout Sulzberger and the “if there’s a problem, I’ll be in China” Keller. It is a paper that wrote umpteen editorials in defense of Judy Miller. It is a paper that has been lost in self parody for some time now. There they see a problem usually later than sooner, propose a completely ineffectual solution, and afterwards have the unmitigated chutzpah to think they have actually done something. Perhaps instead of rechristening the MSM as the TM traditional media or the CM corporate media, we should just start calling them the JM the joke media.
the wackos are getting restless – pressure from the right:
US evangelicals warn Republicans
By Jamie Coomarasamy
BBC News, Washington
Prominent leaders from the Christian right have warned Republicans they must do more to advance conservative values ahead of the US mid-term elections.
Their message to Congress, controlled by Republicans, is “must do better”.
Support from about a quarter of Americans who describe themselves as evangelicals was a factor in President George W Bush’s two election victories.
The Republicans will need to keep them onboard if they are to retain control of Congress in November.
42 = 44 :-)
Sent this LTE to the NYTimes last night.
“Dear Sir,
Your editorial on March 17 criticized Senator Feingold for introducing a resolution to censure President Bush for illegally wiretapping Americans, According to you, Senator Feingold should have proposed a bipartisan panel to investigate whether the President’s wiretapping has violated the 1978 FISA law. Your editorial position is amazingly similar to the position taken by my democratic Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon. I wrote a letter to the Oregonian newspaper criticizing Senator Wyden’s statement as duplicitous because he knows that President Bush is breaking the FISA law and he knows that the republican controlled senate will not investigate the President’s illegal activities. His call for an investigation is a duplicitous dodge designed to let him avoid the issue. So is your editorial. You know that the republican congress is not going to investigate this President even though they also know that the President is breaking the FISA law. By failing to endorse Senator Feingold’s censure resolution you are guilty of the same behavior you deplore in your editorial when you criticize the republicans and most democrats for failing to hold President Bush accountable. Your suggestion of a bipartisan panel, knowing it will not happen, has all the appearances of an attempt to get this hot issue off the table. Count yourselves among the contemptible republicans and cowering democrats who are letting President Bush avoid accountability for his illegal wiretapping.”
Great post Redd. (Do you want to be called Chirsty now?)
I had no trouble getting here using Safari. (Yes, I’m a Mac user.) This post is sort of a test to see if I (like Prof, apparently) have any trouble posting a comment.
How long are we going to be “two-sited”??
Site looks great! I love it. This falls elections will be the turning point for the Dems. Unity Now!
I want to make sure everyone has seen this item from the ACLU: http://www.aclu.org/pizza/
The short version is, without action you will no longer have a private life.
Second thing, and this relates to recruiting people onto the Accountability Wagon, as Redd hinted at, just ask any Republican you know if they would stand for this if Bubba was President rather than Dubya. I mean, censure wouldn’t be on the table! They spent years and millions to find something, anything, on Clinton, and it was never really a matter of if they would impeach him but for what offense. As it turned out, it was for an affair…perhaps the first taste of the Republicans prying into our private lives.
So the question for your conservative colleagues, when will you have had enough? What will it take?
I choose accountability, freedom and liberty.
It was Bill Clinton who famously said:
“Give me liberty or give me head.”
Oh yeah, thank G.W. Clusterfuck for the new and improved nuclear arms race.
From Al-Jazzy:
“Pakistan has said a nuclear energy deal between India and the United States would wreck international agreements to stop the spread of atomic weapons, the Financial Times reports.”
-GSD
Hey, y’all. Guess who’s going to be on Charlie Rose tonight? The fine Sen. Russ Feingold!http://www.charlierose.com/
BTW: Thanks for the preview box. Yippeee! It works automatically, cool.
As per usual Christy, you nail it: “(Remember James Risen? Remember your big news back in December? Hello?!?)”
Courtesy of Porter Goss, DeadEye, and the neocons, the FBI is investigating Risen, the WaPo’s Dana Priest, and their sources for TREASAON. Don’t get many “leaks” about this investigation, do you NYT’s and WaPo. It’s all “classified,” and until DeadEye gives another “exclusive” to FOX news, I don’t think DeadEye is going to “declassify” anything.
I’m just going to brown nose by saying your new site is working great for me.
Purely anecdotal evidence, but I work among a large number of conservatives and the comments coming from them are amazing. Bush is completely losing his base over this and other issues. Even if Congress doesn’t act on the NSA spying issue, I more and more suspect that the Republicans are going to pay a steep price in November for backing their king. Even the dimmest conservative has that spark of Americanism in them that makes them uncomfortable with unfettered executive power.
Happy Saint Pat’s – Begorah and waiting for Fitz’s Shelaley to strike again soon!
So, this is the lead paragraph in the Yahoo story on the “big joint US/Iraqi” mission.
Apparently they threw an attack and no one showed up.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
BAGHDAD, Iraq – U.S. and Iraqi troops pressed their sweep through a 100-square-mile area on Friday in a bid to break up a center of insurgent resistance, the U.S. military said. No resistance or casualties were reported.
neojoe, punaise… when I saw the BBC article, I immediately was reminded of sour Kraut today.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01312.html
That’s the slipperiest slope I’ve ever seen.
Prominent leaders from the Christian right have warned Republicans they must do more to advance conservative values ahead of the US mid-term elections.
In the past year we’ve seen: abortion bans, “conscience clauses”, gay marriage bans, gay adoption bans, Missouri trying to establish a state religion, “Faith-based initiatives” and an FDA refusing to approve Plan B for over the counter use. And they’re STILL bitching about not getting their theocratic agenda through? What’s next, a cross beam on the Washington Monument?
And another thing, I would be considered an evangelical, and I strongly oppose Dubya BECAUSE OF my faith, rather than in spite of it.
If you don’t know Jim Wallis and his book God’s Politics or his website http://www.sojo.net you need to spend a few moments there.
Those of us who understand that Jesus was basically the greatest radical of all know that it is time to storm the temple and overturn a few tables.
OT: Love the look and functionality of the new site. Really nice.
I’ll give a hint on SourKraut’s article… Polygamy, it’s destroying America.
Apparently they threw an attack and no one showed up.
Well, Bush needed a big military action to help boost his poll numbers. Nothing gives the armchair Rambos wood like a declared operation, though “Operation Swarmer” sounds kind of limp. Rumsfeld is still fighting the wrong war, it seems.
Thanks Anotherpawn
So, is polygamy a good primative conservative Christian thing (out west, Utah and Idaho, maybe) or a bad progressive secular thing (in Georgia)? I’m getting confused? What else do Evangelicals want now? Feds declare King James version as only version of Bible you can read without being damned to Hell? Is there an action list?
If you don’t know Jim Wallis and his book God’s Politics
A great book! One of my favorite quotes comes from an On Point interview was with Wallis. He basically said there are about 5 verses in the Bible about homosexuality and 2,000 about helping the poor. That fact tells you everything you need to know about the beliefs of the conservative Christians in the Republican party.
OT
For a searing read from an Iraqi family’s perspective go here on the 3rd anniversary of our illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq go here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/omethboubx
Great, great post, ReddH…er Christy. I probably don’t need to remind you, but be sure and hit these points over and over when you’re on C-Span this weekend.
I’ve just finished an excellent op-ed piece by Stuart Taylor, Jr. in the April Atlantic Monthly (”The Man Who Would be King”). Sorry, no link. Taylor quotes Justice Robert Jackson (during the Truman years):
“No penance would ever expiate the sin against free government of holding that a President can escape control of executive powers by law through assuming his military role.”
In other words, simply calling yourself a “War President” doesn’t make you King.
Oh yeah, and one more thing. In response to a commenter above, I love your writing-no matter how long or short. In my book you have that Koufax award sewn up.
anotherpawn says:
March 17th, 2006 at 9:08 am
wow – gay marriage is responsible for the “outbreak” of polygamy – whoda thunk!
but were the wackos for it before they were against it? or is it vice-versa? it’s soooo confusing……
Scarecrow,
You ask how we can “not cooperate” with this government. We can refuse to pay taxes. If we can organize a grassroots resistance to taxation then it will hit the rethugs where it will hurt them most – the wallet. No taxation without representation – and guess what – without free and fair elections we have no representation. Let’s insist that our election system be restored. Let’s throw out the Diebold machines and hold transparent elections with a paper trail to verify results. If we’d had fair elections all along we would not be in this mess now.
Let’s call it the Abu Ghraib Effect.
Sexual assaults in the US military are up by 40%.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics…..id=1736496
Westgpc -
1. I don’t think there is anything odd about the judges order. In a criminal case witnesses are never supposed to know what other witnesses have testified to. The idea being that knowing what another witness has testified to will (potentially) taint what another witness will say. That is how I have always seen in criminal court, federal or State. It sounds like spin – blame the Judge, not the admin. Judges (at least 99.9% of the time) don’t “make up” or invent how they manage cases or how they rule on procedural issues. There are written rules on procedure and conduct – there are the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, there are rules issued by the Circuit, there are rules issed by the District, and there are rules issued by the individual judge, and there are rules on procedure and conduct set by legal precedence (case law) that might be codified and referenced in the written rules but I guess there is a chance they are not in some instances. I am not going to go look it up, but somewhere there is a black letter law case that says that providing witnesses with prior witness testimony violates the right of an accused. It may be codified in a written rule someplace or not, but it is the law. The judge did not make it up or invent it. There are also ethical rules put out by state bars on attorney conduct, but in Federal Court they don’t have to follow state ethical considerations (it is a jurisdiction thing more so than a difference in ethical standards, although I think it is fair to say that State ethical standards are tougher). So, go with Repug spin.
2. Liability. I have not really read anything about civil suits relating to 9/11, so take all this with a grain of salt (I have also never practiced tort law). But, obviously, the outcome of a criminal trial could greatly impact civil liabilities. Let’s say that someone is convicted of manslaughter – it would seemingly be much easier to win a “wrongful death” suit based on that information. But, you don’t always need it – OJ Simpson was not convicted of murder criminally, but he was convicted of it civilly. I don’t know enough about any civil lawsuits regarding airlines and 9/11 to comment more specifically – and perhaps am a bit suprised that I haven’t now that I think about it. I am just not sure how those generalities apply to 9/11, but for the airlines the best outcome would be it was purely the gov’t’s fault, or an “act of god” that no one could foresee and thus no ones fault.
Samurai Sam says:
“What’s next, a cross beam on the Washington Monument?”
I am sure they would settle for summary executions of gays, abortion care providers and the carpet bombing of Hollywood and Greenwich Village.
Not much for a radical theocrat to ask for is it?
-GSD
Maybe we need to vote out all incumbents and overturn the whole apple cart!
Christy
I am going to donate to you guys to help, I just need to wait til Pay Day on the 8th. Can’t do a big bunch , but I can help a little.
Christy (hey, my first time calling you that!):
Not sure if this has come up yet, but FYI, the Times editorial board was on record as supporting a motion of censure against Bill Clinton in 1999. I dropped four bucks to download a Feb 13, 1999, editorial confirming this.
BushCo has proven its incompetence beyond a reasonable doubt to the American people. Democratic Senators need to “lead, follow, or get out of the way.” With all the polls moving in their direction, can’t Senate Dems see that America is with them right now? They need to lash themselves to the mast with Russ and take us through these perilous waters. Our country requires adult supervision: Americans (with Diebold’s assist) have chosen a government without a v-chip, and we need to monitor our government’s behavior with all the tools at our disposal. Apparently, Congressional oversight ain’t the tool it’s cracked up to be, either.
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Had enough?
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Carolyn
I’m with you kid. We can just take a page out of our Founding Fathers’ Handbook. Worked for them!!
Way OT,Jesus’ General has a picture up that is so funny it will make you spew coffee.
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/
Great catch ralphbon about the 1999 NYT’s editorial.
Slacker Friday letter about our very own Horatio at the Bridge –
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11822749/#060317
Eric,
I am dismayed but not surprised that so few Democrats are willing to stand with Senator Feingold and his censure resolution. All “progressives” continue to be disgusted with the timidity of the Democratic party; for this writer, this fearfulness no longer passes any test of reason. First, the Democrats need to realize that no matter which Democratic politician or position is in question – they or it WILL be slimed. If we ran a member of the Third Reich, the Fox/Limbaugh propaganda apparatus would scarcely cease using its favorite epithet “liberal.” We must get used to this, because a lot of money was spent to erect said propaganda machine. It has been quite successful, and it is not going to suddenly go away. Currently, Democrats have the enviable if never-utilized advantage of being able to counter any criticism of any advocated position with the simple “Where has the current policy gotten us?” Has there ever been a better time to take on the raging talking heads of the right? Next, and closely connected to the preceding, is the idea that even trying to be in the political center – if that’s the best these cowards can do – does not mean using centrist tactics. The American people are, if polls are anywhere near accurate (somehow it’s only those darned Ohio exit polls that seem so inaccurate), more than ready to hear “the frauds and felonies” of Bush & Corp. described forcefully and honestly. I believe we are also ready to see dramatic tactics used, even if we do not currently have the power to do more than that. All of this is by way of saying the Republicans have played hardball, every day and on every issue, for a long time. The sooner the Democrats stop treating this as a local beer league softball game, the sooner we understand that they are never going to like us or say good things about us, the sooner we can begin to try to correct some of the disasters that represent the Bush Administration’s legacy. If we must use negative campaigning and monotonous propaganda, so be it. We certainly aren’t short of material for negative campaigning, are we? If we are afraid of the likes of Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter, or for that matter Bill Frist, how can we expect the American people to trust us against Al Qaida?
Kathi/Nanakat says:
March 17th, 2006 at 9:28 am
Maybe we need to vote out all incumbents and overturn the whole apple cart!
I have seen that sentiment a lot lately, and that really would be the ultimate thing to do. For every good person that was lost, we’d get rid of 10 weasels, regardless of party.
Trouble is, the elections process in this country so heavily favors incumbents, regardless of party, that it is no wonder elected officals aren’t interested in fundamentally changing the rules.
To get Republicans in power to stand down or Democrats (who seem to embrace their powerlesness) to stand up, an appropriate rallying cry for 2006 would be, “It’s the Constitution, stupid!” I just wonder if there are enough citizens out there who care enough or believe they actually can make a difference for that to be effective. There is a lot of truth in the old song lyric, “I’ve been down so long, being down don’t bother me.”
Feingold’s call (and Dean’s in 2002) is, “Wake up, America!” What will it take?
Teddy SanFran
I am going to keep harping about this, but I think we need to STOP using the word “Incompetent” when referring to these criminals!! Incompetence has nothing to do with their behavior, it is calculated, pre-meditated an deliberate.
So then, here’s the letter I just sent to the Times:
To the Editor:
Perhaps you’ve forgotten, but in 1999 the New York Times editorial page backed a resolution to censure Bill Clinton for the unforgiveable crime of lying under oath about a personal dalliance.
Yet now, in the face of your paper’s own extensive documentation that George Bush has broken the law, you somehow can’t work up a head of steam to support Russell Feingold’s eminently reasonable resolution.
George Bush is openly doing to the Constitution what Bill Clinton came close but never quite got around to doing to Monica Lewinsky, and what Dick Cheney advised Patrick Leahy to do to himself. And yet now you consider censure too drastic a move. Thanks so much for your help.
Sincerely, [etc, etc]
Kathi/Nanakat:
Too true, most of the policy disasters, including Katrina, are the result of calculation in order to do intentional harm to government institutions. What they are purporting to do, and will only admit to within their circle of ideologues, is somehow “ween” people off of a reliance on government, so that every public program can be sold off to private concerns. What they are in fact doing is breaking shit, just for the sheer destructive pleasure of it, because they get a charge out of having the power to cause mayhem, which is a lot less work than trying to run the system properly. Sociopaths are not incompetent, they are simply dangerous. “Dangerous” is the word that most aptly describes Bush, whether he is conscious of the harm he is doing, or not.
#81; agree that they are calculated, premeditated, deliberate criminals when pursuing their own agenda; but 100% incompetent when pursuing the one they should be on behalf of we the people…
Check out ‘leader’ Pelosi’s stance on Russ’ call for censure– she has left the party. Leader Lemming
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11866980/
The New York Times is trapped in The Game. I, for one, refuse to play.
The more the Wingnuts talk and demand the better for us. I’ll take an article that says 25% (although I think that is a very high number and must include anyone and everyone who considers themselves “evangelical”) want to impose the Inquisition on the rest of the nation. Repugs do love that identity politics thing, but the more the rest of the country knows about what that identity is, the less they will want to be identified with it. Sooner or later they (the Wingnuts and their political enablers) will piss everyone else off – in the thousands or one by one.
One interesting thing about the language in that article – “THEIR ISSUES.” They are their issues, their not OUR issues or the nation’s issues, the math proves that.
The point is to get the pols and the corporate media to talk about other issues. Are abortion, school prayer, government funding of religious endeavors, anti-health, anti personal freedom, really anyone elses’s issues.
I think it is a meme worth talking about. US vs Them.
Kathi/Nanakat
How about the concept of intentional pre-mediated incompetence.
Like shortly before 9/11 if someone were told of possible attacks on the US and decided to look the other way On Purpose, knowing full well that someone else (Al Queda) was going to do something that would benefit them (Bushit) politically (make him maximum supreme leader with total police state powers.)
Isn’t that making your ‘incompetence’ work for you intentionally?
Maybe I’m just splitting hairs.
For all the political and blog reading I do, I have only just now found the most perfect, most succinct characterization of our current condition:
“Remember when Dukakis took heat for his matter-of-fact answer to a hypothetical rape of his wife? He lost by displaying wonk instead of fire. It’s analogous to how the Democratic leadership’s acting now.”
From Kevin Hayden’s American Street
(tinyurl.com is returning Server Error…)
http://www.reachm.com/amstreet…..esnt-work/
Kathi-
As the Democrats bow to King George and his apparent ineptitude, I’m not certain that this was not the plan all along. King George and the NeoCon court NEVER liked government of, by and for the people. They have created disdain, hatred and loathing for government for a long while with Goldwaterism, corporatism, theocratism. They have incrementally taken the power of the government and slowly given it to the private sector and the religious right.
-Halliburton et.al. basically control the infrastructure of the military operations.
-Nasa is being squeezed out of its long history of innovation and progressive thought and science.
-The national weather service may be privatized.
-Medicare is being slaughtered and rebuilt into a inescable labyrinth of redtape and dead ends.
-The national parks are being given to private-for-profit corporations who plan on taken our heritage, despoiling it and selling you their ill-gotten gains deeded them by the Royal Bush Court.
-The religious right is slowly stacking local, circuit state and the supreme court with their theocratic candidates
-The labor markets have been NAFTA-ed and CAFTA-ed and WAL-MARTED overseas.
-Global Corporations own the worlds natural resources and just tried to secure control of the trade ports (Dubai).
Does this sound like incompetence?
I have always thought no administration could be this stupid and inept..and I may be right. BUT I am beginning to think I could also be very wrong.
Perhaps The Ineptitude of King George is a ploy by the NeoCon cabal that operates behing the curtain. The grand Farce played on our backs; the point being to dilute the government we cherish, give the spoils to Royal BushCo, dumbdown the American populace to level of sheep as King George and the Royal Bush Court laugh all the way to the bank.
carolyn @ #68: Refusing to pay taxes is one way to make a personal statement — life imitates art (or atleast teevee). But are you really saying that if we were all willing to go to jail for not paying taxes, it would bring the regime down? I wonder.
I think they’ve already awarded the contracts to Halliburton to build the needed detention centers. I would hate to do little more than contribute to their profits.
Don’t worry about me. I’ll be passive and submissive again in a few hours. We’re all going through this. “Please ignore that guy in the corner beating his head against the wall. He’s just dealing with reality at the moment!”
For more informatin on Carla Martin, Moussaoui and the 9/11 civil litagation, Jeralyn has a few posts at Talk left
Mr Blifil says:
March 17th, 2006 at 9:53 am
If someone says,”Government does not work”
Then they say,”Elect me and I’ll show you that government does not work”
And then you do elect them to government, and sure enough, it does not work and ‘proves’ their case.
What do you call them?
A Republican or a Libertarian?
They peddle and package this self full-filling circular logic as Reason.
Wow, I need to get a piece of that action.
Break government and then say,”I told you so.”
It’s all so clear to me now.
Anotherpawn,
Rant warning: I hate muddle headed thinking so naturally I detest Krauthammer. OTOH, he argues that polygamy has been around forever and OTOH, he argues that it helping to do in traditional marriage. Conservatives when they try to think always give me a headache.
The parameters of marriage are and should be defined where society has a specific overriding concern. There may be, for example, a few stray cases where polygamy and incest work for those involved but the prevalence of sexual abuse in these relationships gives society (at least our society in the here and now) a strong reason for not sanctioning them. In the case of gay marriage, society has no such overriding concern. There are economic tradeoffs and costs with gay marriage: increased healthcare costs for spousal coverage vs. stabler, healthier family structure, but such changes have been widely accepted in our society. Think of the effects on society because of changes in attitude toward divorce, adoption, contraception, in vitro fertilization. One of the reasons that the abortion controversy is so problematic is that a “new” and not very well thought through “societal concern” is being promoted. It is illegimate precisely because most Americans support a woman’s right to choose from a societal point of view if not from a personal one.
I think the terms of the debate are also poorly defined. When someone says “polygamy” or “incest”, we assume we know what they mean but do we? Divorce and remarriage have given rise to what has been called “serial polygamy”. From these relationships come family structures with decidedly mixed degrees of consanguity. We as a society accept them, not because abuse never occurs in them, but because they are better than the alternatives. In a similar way, we accept single parent families and cohabitation although we do not support them as we should and as we think we should. Others are tolerated but not supported. Think of Wilt Chamberlain’s claim that he had sex with 10,000 women or what about those Republican Senators would flagellated Bill Clinton for his affair with Monica Lewinsky during the day and spent their evenings with their mistresses before going home to their wives.
Incest too is not a strict prohibition. I forget the exact number but something like 20 states allow first cousins to marry. Society’s concerns are met by balancing the knowledge that we are all related to each other to some degree with the downsides of increased likelihood for abuse and genetic disease. The goal is not to be perfect but to be reasonable.
In future, our society will change and these parameters or others we have not even thought of may change with it but this is where we are now.
I would love to accept the figures posted on the Family Research Council poll -
63% evangelicals don’t think Congress has done enough to advance the value voters agenda
let’s see, they get 2, count ‘em 2 lifetime appointments to SCOTUS and they’re dissatisifed ?!?!? Can you say rapacious ingrates ? . . . I knew you could
I say “love to accept” b/c that means Repubs will have to do an awful lot of bowing and scraping in the next few months . . . at a time when the polls are tilting blue ?!?! are you kidding me ?!
some of the more experienced, saavy among us – is that how it will go ? If so, the coming contortions will be right outta Cirque de Soleil
Carolyn – More on not paying taxes. Aside from being illegal, it is also a bad idea Would you then support NeoNuts not paying taxes if the government funded family planning? Are you advocating that all citizens have the right to have their taxes go only for those programs that they support? Or just in this instance.
We do have representation (putative though it may seem), the issue is that the representation sucks and needs to be changed.
Here’s the challenge: Can anyone come up with a plausible, workable, credible strategy for bringing this regime down? (strong preference for non-violent) Describe the scenario/strategy and its logic, so we can understand how specific tactics support it or not.
Are we just waiting around until January 2009 and hope they don’t steal that election? And if so, exactly how is that different from the passivity we’ve been criticizing in the Dems?
EPU — carolyn was just responding to my request for some example of “non-violent, non cooperation.” Hers was the only response I got, which troubles me. I don’t have an answer, but at least carolyn’s example fit the definition.
New thread,old site. WHEEEEEE this is fun!
Colorado Springs is and has always been the breeding ground for this religious fanaticism – the home of Perkins, Dobson et. al. not to mention 2 large Air Force installations and a huge Army Base. I can recall travelling thru there while working for the state of Colorado and having this unease of having to traverse the city, as if I was being “watched”.
I know you guys were hiding from me over here…..you’re giving me a complex. I know that is why two sites are now open.
Hey, “billy” in the other FireDogLake thread calls for sitting out the day, not showing up for work on 14-JUN, Flag Day.
Think about this; our American culture doesn’t even grasp the words “general strike”. Maybe it’s time it did.
Great question #97 scarecrow!
Angie – thx for that link. Pelosi is an absolute abomination. But I’ve heard that the true liberals in the House have been unhappy with her for some time now. Talk about “incompetence”!!! I’m calling her office right now.
Special thx to GrandmaJ and green 917 for your info on the jouney to the Minn. arboretum. I’m there for a convention in June and the arboretum is the only day trip I’m really interested in. But it looks like too long a jouney for my schedule. Darn.
BTW, OtherWA, RBG and others – Cantwell and Obama are hosting a Town Hall thing at Garfield High School together – tomorrow 12 noon. For what purpose I don’t know. The event is free but Cantwell’s people are insisting folks “reserve” tickets beforehand. Doesn’t make much sense and sounds typically hamhanded to me (Can’t-wellian?) but I’m planning on crashing the party anyway. You?
Now lemme find Pelosi’s number again…
Evil P. Universe:
First of all, I would far prefer that the wingnut branch of the prolife movement withheld their taxes instead of their current strategy of staking out clinics with snipers.
Second. Representation? I don’t think so. Granted, on a local level, many of our election systems still work. I have total confidence in our functioning democracy here in Vermont, where our town elders hand count paper ballots. But nationally? If our system of voting is sabotaged, if voters are intimated and threatened, if voter registrations are destroyed, if votes are electronically overturned, if polling places are locked down while votes are secretly “counted”, if hard drives are erased so that there is no accountability – I could go on, but is there any real debate about whether that went on in the last two elections? If we do not have a fair election system than our democracy has been knocked off its feet. Chimpy is not our fairly elected president. He stole his way into office, and fucked everything up royally.
I’m starting to think that being tried at the Hague would be too good for him. That’s been my dream for some time, but I like the suggestion of leaving him in Bagdad for the insurgents to sort out. Maybe he could cowboy his way out of that.
zennurse–
Re tiny font on your work computer, even if you can’t change the font there may be other solutions.
I recently stumbled onto an Internet Explorer program that makes a section of the whole screen large, larger, or like the E on the eye chart. Sorry I can’t remember which key I hit by mistake to get there, but it did seem like a program that could help a lot of visually impaired folk.
hth
I do not understand why the NYT, Evan Bayh, et al discount, out of hand, the review that has already been done by the ABA. It has been over a month and no reaction or response from the President, Administration, NSA, Intel Committee (other than cancellation of hearings and attempts to do the time warp) and Judiciary Committee.
Link to, and text for, the short cover letter to the President that accompanied the ABA report:
http://www.abanet.org/op/greco…..e-0206.pdf
Last month I appointed a distinguished and bipartisan task force of lawyers to address issues and concerns regarding the program of domestic electronic surveillance being conducted by your Administration outside the FISA process. The membership included a former Director of the FBI,a former general counsel of the CIA, a former general counsel of the NSA, former chairs of the ABA Standing Committee on Law and National Security, former federal prosecutors and others possessing great expertise in constitutional and national security law. That task force
unanimously brought forward to our House of Delegates a set of recommendations on the subject which were adopted today by an overwhelming vote of that body. I enclose a copy of the recommendations, accompanying report and roster of the membership.
We hope that your Administration will give serious consideration to these recommendations. We would welcome the opportunity to discuss with the appropriate officials our views in this matter.
We join with you in the conviction that terrorism must be fought with the utmost vigor, but we also believe we must ensure this fight is conducted in a manner reflective of the highest American values.
Here’s the report as well:
http://www.abanet.org/op/greco…..2-0206.pdf
Now, in addition to that, there is the letter from Con. Law Scholars:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18650
from these authors:
Curtis Bradley, Duke Law School, former Counselor on International Law in the State Department Legal Adviser’s Office[14]
David Cole, Georgetown University Law Center
Walter Dellinger, Duke Law School, former Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel and Acting Solicitor General
Ronald Dworkin, NYU Law School
Richard Epstein, University of Chicago Law School, Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution
Philip B. Heymann, Harvard Law School, former Deputy Attorney General
Harold Hongju Koh, Dean, Yale Law School, former Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor, former Attorney-Adviser, Office of Legal Counsel, DOJ
Martin Lederman, Georgetown University Law Center, former Attorney-Adviser, Office of Legal Counsel, DOJ
Beth Nolan, former Counsel to the President and Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel
William S. Sessions, former Director, FBI, former Chief United States District Judge
Geoffrey Stone, Professor of Law and former Provost, University of Chicago
Kathleen Sullivan, Professor and former Dean, Stanford Law School
Laurence H. Tribe, Harvard Law School
William Van Alstyne, William & Mary Law School, former Justice Department attorney
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Dean Koh, of Yale Law School has been similarly emphatic in testimony before the Judiciary Committee.
Granted, Specter and Gonzales were able to “balance” testimony with input from Pepperdine Law professor Doug Kmiec (next appearing as Chicken Little at the Fairy Tail Revivalists Theater) who was promptly chewed up and spit out by Russ Feingold. As per all good law professors – Kmiec support was based on his determination that we really shouldn’t worry about whether or not the program is legal.
Uh huh.
http://www.ombwatch.org/articl…..?TopicID=1
law professor Doug Kmiec, who stated in his testimony that we should not be concerned with the legality or illegality of the program but rather with “what is the appropriate course as we go forward.”
Somehow – my podunk schooling at UK never quite got around to this principle. Perhaps someone needs to flash this info to all the US Attys with cases and investigations pending right now—- HEY KIDS, just ask them if they’ll be good “going forward” ‘K? Pepperdine straightened us out and apparently there’s an “Ollie Ollie Oxen Free” clause in the Constitution, previously ignored. Coffee stain I guess.
Wild eyed liberals like (Bruce Fein?) put up a defense – indicating that, like the Bush Nat. Guard memos, the O.O.O.F. (which oddly enough resembles the sounds made by the testees for the torture memo) clause is likely a forgery – sinc the rest of the Constitution is not printed on Walmart watermark Bond paper and in Arial font.
However, Sen. Orrin Hatch took a statesmanlike stance that, “When [the President] makes an argument on constitutional grounds, we have to give him some slack.”
There’s some sound analysis.
Second note to Prosecutors everywhere – if your defendant mentions the Constitution (e.g. I have a Constitutional right to murder for gain) then you should give their argument “slack”. Technical term I missed out on at UK as well.
*s* At least I did learn when (and when not) to say, “How bout dem Cats” ;)
They did also pull in Woolsey to make the sign of the Neocon and bless the mess. Interesting that they kept referring to him as “Clinton’s” CIA agent. I guess memories only go back so far and not further. ;) I also guess the national security input of a guy who is working closely to bail Scooter Libby out is,well, almost a necessary ingredient before a Republican Committee these days.
*s*s*
Here’s the shorter me.
We have to lock up criminals – we do it after a trial.
We have to wiretap terrorists – we do it with a FISA warrant or under the 72 hour emergency provisions.
We can go to a no-trials situation (hmmm – actually I guess Padilla was a good step forward on that, huh?). We can go to a no warrant situation. We can go to Pterry Pratchett’s version of “one-man, one-vote” wherein Bush is the one man with the one vote. We can go to State Propaganda instead of free speech.
But we might as well be honest if we do that and not pretend it is being done in accordance with the principles, values and language of the Constitution.
From Al-Jazzy:
“Pakistan has said a nuclear energy deal between India and the United States would wreck international agreements to stop the spread of atomic weapons, the Financial Times reports.â€
-GSD
Ehhh, this would be the same Pakistan that sells nuclear stuff to North Korea and won’t let us even interview Khan? Riight.
BTW – Prof, thanks for the Arar update. It’s just sad sad days lately.
And for the mention above of Wallis’ book (forgot who mentioned it) – there is a big difference between true New Testament Evangelicals and Fundies. Some Fundies may be Evangelicals – many are not and many misuse the term, but some may be – however, not all Evangelicals are Fundies.
Sojourners are much more likely to have footholds with the left than with what has become the “right” these days. IMO.
I began reading the NYT in 1965 as a freshman at Yale. I canceled my subscription at the beginning of March because the national and foreign-policy reporting has become so terrible. Until the present management changes (and from the top down), I don’t see much hope for improvement. Bottom line: The Bushies take down another important institution.