I cannot begin to explain how much this is NOT done. When you are a government attorney, you must hold yourself to a higher standard in terms of ethics and maneuvering, precisely because you have a quasi-judicial position in terms of charging decisions and in terms of having the power of the government’s investigative capacity behind you.
The rules are that you do not, under any circumstances, woodshed your witnesses as to other testimony that has been given in the case during the course of a trial. Period. And you absolutely do not do so, under any circumstances at all whatsoever, when there is a court order from the judge prohibiting such discussion.
Defense lawyer Edward MacMahon also elicited testimony Tuesday that prosecutor David Novak had conducted a joint telephone conversation with two coming witnesses, despite long-standing prohibitions against trial witnesses interacting before they testify.
Novak told U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema the phone call, which apparently happened after the judge issued rules on witnesses on Feb. 22, concerned only the logistics of trial exhibits and not the substance of testimony.
I am beyond appalled. And every person who has ever been a prosecutor (or criminal attorney on either side of the line) ought to be as well. You may use every resource at your disposal to be certain that a guilty person is investigated, convicted, sentenced and punished in accordance with their criminal conduct — but you are never, EVER, supposed to cheat your way to a verdict.
Osmuss and Manno told the court they had read not only the e-mails but the trial transcript sent by Martin.
Manno said under cross-examination that he had read at least two newspaper stories about the trial and watched four or five TV reports about it until he was told not to, apparently by the prosecution. Prosecutors said they did not routinely advise future witnesses to avoid media coverage in this court district but would start doing so.
Martin also was summoned to the hearing, but had her questioning delayed when she told the judge she had not been able to arrange for her own lawyer. Brinkema had warned her that "you violated a court order and could be held in civil or criminal contempt," and directed her to return with a lawyer by Wednesday morning.
That a state’s attorney would coach witnesses to the point of providing them transcripts of prior witness’ testimony and talking points on how to address particular lines of questioning brought up by defense counsel in a death penalty phase is shameful, wrong, and disgusting. If I were the judge, they’d get the book thrown at them and then some.
The reporting thus far appears to indicate that the Transportation Administration attorney took issue with the trial strategy and opening statements of the DoJ attorneys, and decided to take matters into her own hands and coach witnesses from her own department within the FAA and Dept. of Transportation. This attorney may not have had any criminal experience, and may not have known the extent to which this sort of thing is prohibited…fine, I could buy that, but for one tiny, little thing: there was an order in place from the judge prohibiting just this sort of behind-the-scenes coaching and collaboration.
But today’s testimony also reveals that at least one DoJ attorney was also involved in woodshedding government witnesses as to testimony, trial strategy, and the like — over and above the normal witness preparation which would normally be perfectly acceptable. To get two witnesses on the phone — together — to discuss testimony is to give them a chance to compare notes and "get their stories straight" prior to their testimony in court. To do this in direct violation of a court order is asking for potentially being criminally sanctioned for contempt as well as having the judge ask that your law license be suspended, and to have your case hamstrung or dismissed if you get caught.
When you are a public servant, you owe the public nothing less than the your highest level of ethics and conduct, because you represent the interests of every citizen. When you are an attorney, you also owe a duty of respect in upholding our system of laws and the orders of the court. That an attorney would hold those laws and her public duty so cheaply that cheating would seem an appropriate option — in some win at all costs mentality — might be a symptom of a larger problem within the Bush Administration. But that does not excuse the behavior, nor does it mitigate the fact that it is flat out wrong. Shameful. The judge issued her ruling this afternoon on this, and it was scathing.
"I don’t think in the annals of criminal law there has ever been a case with this many significant problems," Brinkema said. She ruled the trial could proceed after a daylong hearing into whether coming witnesses had been tainted by improper coaching by a federal lawyer last week.
I’ve been raked over the coals a time or two by a judge — generally for something my client did or said in the courtroom, but I have never had a blistering this bad. And I must say, based on everything I’ve read about the misconduct, they deserved what they got and more.
Brinkema added, "More problems arose today that none of us knew about yesterday." She said that her order to isolate planned witnesses from trial transcripts and news reports was clearly violated. She also said she was troubled particularly that one witness sought by defense lawyers was told by federal attorney Carla J. Martin that he could not speak to them and that Martin falsely told the defense that two others were not willing to speak to them. "I wouldn’t trust anything Martin had anything to do with at this point," Brinkema said. She said that the proper remedy was not to eliminate the government’s bid for the death penalty but that the point of the case dealing with aviation security matters was now "irremediably contaminated."
The government can continue putting on its case, but without the transportation and aviation testimony, that have very little else. That was their case. Frankly, I’m not so certain that dismissal of the death penalty phase wasn’t warranted, and I say that as a prosecutor who sees putting bad people away as a very good thing — but it has to be done with integrity and justice, and the government’s attorneys who stepped over the line (and my understanding is that this was a limited number of people and that there are some fairly pissed off DoJ attorneys left holding the remnants of this nasty mess) acted without honor in what they did.
Absolutely shameful.
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Fitz!
In a speech shoring up support for the war in Iraq before Monday’s third anniversary of its start President George W Bush said some bombs seized there “were clearly produced in Iran”.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..wstop.html
No more ReddHedd?
Christy!
Hi Christy- Great article. I did a bit of poking around after your last on this where you were (based on limited info that far) willing to consider that Martin was just being naive (or maybe not). What I read then made me conclude that she was not being naive. But your article leaves no doubt about that.
And, have we lost ReddHedd? So loved that id. But maybe the new old name is part of your break-out into the Sunday talk shows? xxooo
When the drumbeat from the top is flout the law, bend the rules, make your own rules, anything goes….
Any attorney involved in this activity should not only lose their law license, they should cool their heels in jail and contemplate the Constitutional Law classes they evidently did not attend in law school.
God I love how you’re coming out!
ccmask says:
March 15th, 2006 at 2:33 am
I can’t believe that bush is celebrating the third anniversary of the invasion of Iraq. That is a day that should live in infamy, the day our government took us into an unnecessary war based on a web of lies. And a war that the commander-in-chief declared “mission accomplished” almost three years ago,before thousands more died. Maybe we should commemorate THAT day–not as a great day for freedom and democracy, but as an eternal reminder of the evil and folly of this administration.
If all the aviation and security aspects of the case are severed, what are the remaining parts that the government can pursue?
Are you telling me that our Bush-run government is so incompetent that they screwed the pooch on the one bona fide terrorist we have in our mitts?
I hope the judge does not proceed outside the boundaries of true justice. But I also hope that doesn’t mean that a truly guilty party doesn’t get appropriately convicted and sentenced.
The justice system may suck, but it is infinitely better than the alternative.
Been ten minutes of: “This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota” Coudln’t get onto the site. Though you’d want to know.
A society of experts and scholars contends that the prosecution of Zacarias Moussaoui–for willfully concealing advance knowledge of the events of 9/11–has the status of a Soviet-style “show trial” and functions as a diversion from the real culprits. The nonpartisan group, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, asserts that the evidence implicating Vice President Dick Cheney of that very offense is more obvious and compelling. If they are even remotely correct, then the alleged terrorists appear to have been cast in the role of “patsies.”
http://www.st911.org
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Thank you for walking triumphantly into the light, Christy Hardin Smith with the lovely red hair. :)
Iraq thing not goin too well..
It’s not a matter of “insurgents” now- it’s ordinary shiites and sunnis killing each other..so the story line has to change- and GW Clusterfuck hasn’t decided how to handle the change..What’s he goin to call the fighters now? Sunni radicals and shiite radicals? Will he treat both equally in his verbiage?
Well he’s takin this one on HIMSELF as we have recently learned- so I guess he’s figuring that all out now.
So do we go out hunting for shiites or sunnis or both? If a sunni group kills a shiite group- do we bomb a sunni village- and then do we bomb a shiite village when the shiites return the favor?
Decisions decisions..
The fact is- this “war” has just take a hard turn- and we no longer know WHAT it is.
I was CPU’d too. but it was worth the wait. were they so salivating for a triumph in the war on terra in this case, that they got sloppy? or did they think that they had a slam dunk case and the judge would overlook anything that was done? can i still call you ReddHedd, Christy?
Dat you Redd? And at Night- Holy shit! things are changin.
Nice post by the way. Thanks.
Redd
Does such behavior warrent dis-barment? (
I’ve never been convinced that ZM is not profoundly mentally ill; I know the court appointed MD found him to be “legally” competent but that doesn’t mean he is not sick.
AND …glad to make your acquaintance, Ms. Christy Hardin Smith!
It’s me. Feel free to call me ReddHedd any time you want. Got tired of hiding behind a pseudonym — frankly, I just never expected things to get this busy, and it seemed so silly not to use my own name. :) Plus, I’ve finally figured out the new posting software — so, mercifully, tomorrow morning won’t be so scary.
RH- and, BTW for future reference, somehow the new format makes it really hard to read long paragraphs- e.g. the one that starts with “That a state’s attorney would coach witnesses..” especially. In the MSCM they have paragraph breaks about every two sentences… not that you should emulate the MSCM (main stream corporate media
Christy is a beautiful name for a beautiful ReddHedd with a beautiful mind. ;)
Christy –
Could I please still call you ReddHedd a little longer? Just a little longer? You see, I’m a little disoriented here.
Just need to get my sea-legs first. Just a moment ago when trying to refresh I got, not this page, but a warning that “this account has exceeded CPU usage” or some such.
Then there’s the matter of my eyeballs trying to get used to the text looking different. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the way the site looks now — it’s just some weird psychological thing whereby the way the text “looks” on the page was something I was very used to, and now it seems to take longer for me to read all the comments and note who is making them, etc. It’ll be fine just as soon as I’m used to it. [Does this mean I’m turning into an OLD LADY?!? Aargh!]
So you see, being able to call you ReddHedd is sort of like holding onto the very edge of the comfort blankie being pulled out of my hands.
Anyways, Christy is a very lovely name.
Now I have to go back and read all the details of this story. From the quick scan I made, and the story linked, which I also scanned, it sounds like an absolute outrage on every level.
Apparently, we’re no longer allowed to expect honest, by-the-rules behavior from ANY of the people who represent us or work for us. My outrage meter is broken, and my blood pressure is approaching new dizzying heights of dismay.
Thanks for documenting the atrocities so thoroughly!
Bush lost Iraq.
He’s weak.
Well hello, Christy Hardin Smith. Missed you today. When I first logged on this morning, this post was in the other parallel universe, then I lost it and couldn’t get back. Wasn’t sure it was real. Glad you’re back.
And fine post. Any word on who these screw-ups are (and who appointed them?)?
ReddHedd – So, you thought your brilliant writing would languish in medeocrity? How’s that for modesty? You ROCK!
ccmask says:
March 15th, 2006 at 2:33 am
cc — a later report on Harball by ex-gen who wrote a book in the invasion, says that General Pace, CJCS, said today there was no evidence of the Iran linkage.
RH- Oh, I see you fixed the paragraphs even before I posted above. Thanks. During transition time maybe you could be Christy Hardin Smith (aka/ formerly/ nee ReddHedd). Just so all of the new peeps that I am seeing here won’t be asking all of the time– ya’ know, like “what does EPU mean?”
“I’ve finally figured out the new posting software — so, mercifully, tomorrow morning won’t be so scary.”
Now if I can just figure out this “commenting software”…and spell “throw” correctly. :(
Ugh. Access problems. Exceeding my CPU.
I use a dual-core CPU here — perhaps it’s time for the server to do the same?
A prime example of federal government cronyism good bad. The TSA lawyer’s clients are the FAA, United and American Airlines. God forbid they will ever be found at fault for 9-11, so the witness are coached. Mixed in is a win at all costs prosecution directed by “the hell with legalities†political appointees. A client hell bent for paradise. An finally an American jury that will gladly inject him.
The judge is the only public servant left. Civil Service use to mean serving the American public but with deregulation, federal employees now serve their Stakeholders, the President and Campaign Contributors.
Fdl rocks! I love the new look of the site.
I’m sure that the kinks will work out with the CPU error. Betcha the high traffic is part of the issue.
I promise — we are working on a new host. The CPU thing is more irksome for us than you can possibly imagine. Blergh. Hopefully, we’ll have all the kinks ironed out within the week. (a/k/a ReddHedd)
What, you dyed your hair? Speaking of screwing up prosecutions, is warrantless wiretapping going to let some terra-ists outa jail?
Hmm… CPU just ate my comment.. suggesting that for a while you be Christy Hardin Smith (aka/ formerly/ nee ReddHedd) so that the newcomers wouldn’t be confused. (Like that EPU question that keeps coming up…_
back to the use of GMT in here and its kowtowing back to the days of Great British seapower: I have noticed some Islamic sites using Makkah time on the webpages. A little research showed it was “Mecca Time” – why not use that for an international site.
Maybe Washington DC Time would be appropriate for this site?
It’s the beginning of the media Iraq/Iran meshing, me thinks. Sorta like the Iraq/911 meshing.
As far as Martin, it sounds like they wanted to blow this case….for national security, perhaps.
Please , Please ,pleease tell me how to make a happy face……….:(
The message I’m getting is, “suspended.” Damn that double secret probation.
“I wouldn’t trust anything Martin had anything to do with at this point,†Brinkema said.
I don’t have t/b an atty to know when a Federal Judge in a high profile case says that about you – you are beyond screwed.
Nice coming out Ms. Smith, hope no one expects me to do the same, I like my pseudonym so much I’m thinking of making it legal
Welcome, Christy
Anyone who writes as well as you do does not need a pseudonym.
Please , Please ,pleease tell me how to make a happy face……….:(
You have to use a space (above) after the period. :)
Redd’s having a bad CPU day.
I tried earlier nanakat and it did not work, i did my usual semicolon and parentheses thingy just now and it took to my suprise. let me try again ;)
The only problem I’m having with the new site(other than the damn happy faces) are my cataracts. the text is a tad small, so I’ve like, got nose prints on my screen!
rwcole (#12)- He could call them “scofflaws”. Oh, wait, no working parliament, no laws. How about “scofflawlesses”?
:>)
I wanna be a neologism
A shameful Request From Liberty
Redd–er Christy–wouldn’t this have implications for the ENTIRE case?
I mean if the prosecutors were this blatant in regard to ONE part of the case- it raises serious questions about their behavior through the whole thing..
What options does the defense have with regard to this?
kathi: never take for granted what some fancy-pants (or no-pants) web-designer uses for text size. All browsers have a simple control for either permanent or temporary textsize adjustments. In Firefox I simply hit CTRL & + simultaneously which increases typesize. I might have to hit it several times to get the desired size. Once set, it stays set for that open window.
I am not a lawyer, but it seems the rather novel prosecution ideas might be applied to the whole Bush administration. I would appreciate any actual attorneys taking a look at my post on this at Dakota Today, but with a bit more serious intent than I could arouse today.
http://dakotatoday.typepad.com…..ergst.html
rwcole: What options does the defense have with regard to this?
File a motion for a mistrial and appeal the decision if they don’t get it ;)
wilson46201– thank you very much for that tip– you helped my shoulders, eyes and neck with that.
“Another day, another blunder” should be this administration’s motto. They’ve certainly lived up to it.
Hello Christy!
good luck with all the growing pains. the content rocks as ever.
Redd: I’m not complaining. Tech transition issues are annoying, but small potatoes.
I talk too much anyway.
http://www.tag-board.com/smilies/smilies.htm
I’ll try it.
:dizzy:
Yet cnn.com’s headline about the whole affair was “Government goof may save Moussaoui.” That wacky government and its goofs! Can you believe that bastard is gonna get off scot free because of some technicality? Tort reform!!
Of course, I’m sure they didn’t mean to insinuate that. They probably just lacked the vocabulary to call it, oh, an egregious violation of judicial protocol.
if the typesize is too large in Firefox, use CTRL & – simultanously to make the text smaller. Control and plus for bigger, control and minus for smaller. ;-)
Comment Pilfering Underworld says:
EPU, we know that’s you, you greedy, greedy boy
We seem to have a whole new ball game in Iraq- reports are that the US is using aircraft to bomb and strafe more- but what the fuck are they bombing and strafing? Who are the bad guys?
I have a hunch that the public is about to go ballistic when they find out that we no longer have an enemy- or that EVERYONE is now the enemy.
Maybe we’ll use the “enema” stratergy?
Valley Girl,
I think only the top five or six on that site work here. I saw that site too!
This whole thing works fine for me- I find the box and type the stuff in the box- and then hit the button- no problemo!
Doug Wiken- March 15th, 2006 at 3:16 am
Hey, great to see you here, Doug! I check out your SD blog often now, after I found your coining of the “Rapist’s Bill of Rights”… you have a great way with words, and much sympatico with the great writing we also appreciate here at FDL. Hope you will visit often. Not an atty, but hope others will look into Doug’s request.
I was reading on this when I saw your post. This is what I found.
The case in the sentencing phase of the Moussaoui trial has been seriously undermined by . . . the government itself. In this sentencing phase, the prosecution had a two pronged approach to show that if Moussaoui had talked what (1) the FBI and (2) the FAA could have done to prevent or deter 9/11. Because of governmental misconduct, one of those avenues is gone (pending appeal). I am no lawyer but it seems almost a how to in how to destroy your case and really piss of a judge.
From an MSNBC story here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11823125/
(1) Government lawyers sent a letter Feb. 14 saying that at least three federal aviation officials (Transportation Security Administration intelligence liaison officer Robert White, TSA intelligence analyst John Hawley, and TSA intelligence officer Matthew Kormann) called as defense witnesses refused to talk to defense lawyers.
The three said they had never seen the letter and one of them (White?) said he would have been willing to talk to the defense.
(2) Carla Martin the TSA attorney representing the 7 witnesses from the TSA/FAA told one official, sought as a defense witness (I’m assuming White), that he was not to have contact with defense attorneys.
(3) Two of these witnesses (Claudio Manno, deputy chief of security for the Federal Aviation Administration on Sept. 11, 2001, and Pat McDonnell, who retired in May 2001 as FAA director of intelligence) read and watched news coverage of the week-old trial despite the judge’s order not to follow the case. The government admitted it had not advised the witnesses of the judge’s order.
(4) David Novak one of the government prosecutors admitted that he had spoken over the phone to two witnesses at the same time. He said no content was discussed and that the call concerned scheduling.
Government prosecutors apparently found out from one of the witnesses Lynne Osmus of Carla Martin’s activities. They informed Judge Brinkema in a letter on March 13. The prosecutors seeing a large part of an already doubtful case disappearing before their eyes wrote: “We view Ms. Martin’s conduct as reprehensible and we frankly cannot fathom why she engaged in such conduct. They accuse her of “pontificating about the openings, wrongly understanding the proof that the Government intends to offer.†They assert that her “misguided opinions†are not Brady material but are attorney work product and should not be shared with the defense. Bolting the barn door after the horse is gone comes to mind.
Carla Martin the TSA attorney e-mailed all 7 witnesses. Her e-mails are here: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/…..emails.pdf
In them astoundingly she critiques the weakness of the government case and provides transcripts of the first day of Moussaoui’s trial which Manno and Kormann admit reading. She also provided highlights:
“The defense, essentially responded by saying “what the Govt. wants you to believe is only a dream, and its most seductive quality is that we all wish it had come true, but it is only a dream.â€
and pretty blantantly coached witnesses as in this exchange
From: Martin, Carla
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006
To: Blacked out but apparently Lynne Osmus
Subject: RE: Got your message
Lynne. . . all of us aviation lawyers, were stunned by the opening. The opening has created a credibility gap that the defense can drive a truck through. There is no way anyone could say that the carriers could have prevented all short bladed knives from going through-Dave [Novak, one of the prosecutors] MUST elicit that from you and the airline witnesses on direct, and not allow the defense to cut your credibility on cross. . .
—-Original Message—-
And agree w need to be careful in describing how these measures would have impacted the attack, and will be prepared. . .
As I said at the beginning, I’m no lawyer but where did they get these guys? The OJ Simpson trial? TSA lawyer (she was removed after this, big surprise) slams government prosecutors. Government prosecutors slam back. Defense and Moussaoui standing, watching, laughing their asses off and one very pissed judge.
Speculation I had heard is that this was an intentional act by the Bush government to get the death penalty thrown out, so they could then make a big public relations push about not being able to prosecute terrorists in our judicial system. While I don’t believe that was the intent, the Bush orcs are skilled at taking advantage of chaos and I don’t doubt they would have turned a tossing of the death penalty into an attempt to justify their extra-legal acts such as the Guantanamo above-ground dungeon.
The judge in this case may have sliced a Gordian Knot. She has effectively removed the Bush government’s case for the death penalty due to their misconduct, while avoiding the political opportunity for an assault on the judiciary if she had tossed out the possibility of the death penalty.
Coz- well thanks- wonder what the odds are- no judge wants to be responsible for letting a “terrorist” walk free–even one who never did anything.
rwcole says:
March 15th, 2006 at 3:21 am
hope they do go completely ballistic. i cannot for the life of me imagine being invaded, shock and awe and all, burying my family and friends and not fighting back. occupation sucks– too bad nobody making policy in D.C. served or learned any history at all.
It’s a pretty sad day, but then, the courts have been seeing a lot of them lately.
Sadder still are the ones that the court never sees.
DOJ under this Administration shows why the rules SHOULD exist independent of the “war powers of the President” – disregard for the Constitution, fibbing to judges, misleading courts, let’s make torture *legal* memos, mishandling witnesses, yada yada yada. WIth all that rampant of course a little thing like a judges order, esp. when the judge “might not find out” is kind of small potatoes.
Aren’t we going to get a chorus of Congresscritters soon to tell the Judge she is an al-Qaeda supporter for questioning the government lawyers decisions to ignore her orders?
Sheez – doesn’t she know there’s a war on terror?
It tarnishes all the other work DOJ does and brings our whole system to such a low standard. I seriously can’t work up anything like respect in general. You know that there are great lawyers with integrity and credibility in DOJ but you don’t really “believe” it. Not with everything that has gone on and keeps going on.
Kessler already said it in the GITMO toture hearing, “It’s a sad day when a federal judge has to ask a DOJ lawyer this [about the U.S. military] but how do I know they’re telling the truth.”
That was even before this – - people just never want to realize the long term affect of all the compromises in integrity that get made early on “because we are under attack” and that come back to destroy much bigger pieces of the country than an enemy ever could.
So many compromises were made early on. Torture, warrantless surveillance, hiding actions from Congress and from the American people, etc.
Sad times – but we do have Russ Feingold. For now at least.
It’s something.
I’m waiting for the inevitable Republican talking point that this whole episode demonstrates what a terrible thing it is to live under the rule of law.
BTW, you’ll always be ReddHedd to me ;)
Maybe you could sign posts with “AKA ReddHedd” for a while. Just an idea.
On second thought…
“I think only the top five
or sixon that site work here”. ;)Coz- thanks since we don’t have preview yet I’ll try this: :D
Not that I really want to do smilies anyway…
BAGHDAD, Iraq – American forces have dramatically increased airstrikes in Iraq during the past five months, a change of tactics that may foreshadow how the United States plans to battle a still-strong insurgency while reducing the number of U.S. ground troops serving here.
A review of military data shows that daily bombing runs and jet-missile launches have increased by more than 50 percent in the past five months, compared with the same period last year. Knight Ridder’s statistical findings were reviewed and confirmed by American Air Force officials in the region.
The numbers also show that U.S. forces dropped bombs on more cities during the last five months than they did during the same period a year ago. Airstrikes hit at least nine cities between Oct. 1, 2004, and Feb. 28, 2005, but were mostly concentrated in and around the western city of Fallujah. A year later, U.S. warplanes struck at least 18 cities during the same months.
The spike in bombings comes at a crucial time for American diplomatic efforts in Iraq. Officials in Washington have said that the situation in Iraq is improving, creating expectations that at least some American troops might be able to withdraw over the next year.
On Monday, President Bush stopped short of promising a withdrawal. But he said he expects that Iraqi government forces will control more of Iraq, allowing U.S. forces to carry out more targeted missions.
“As more capable Iraqi police and soldiers come on line, they will assume responsibility for more territory – with the goal of having the Iraqis control more territory than the coalition by the end of 2006,” Bush said. “And as Iraqis take over more territory, this frees American and coalition forces to concentrate on training and on hunting down high-value targets, like the terrorist (Abu Musab al) Zarqawi and his associates.”
There are risks to a strategy that relies more on aerial bombings than ground combat patrols. In the town of Samarra, for example, insurgents last month were able to spend several hours rigging explosives in the dome of a Shiite shrine that they later destroyed, in part because American troops patrolled less. The shrine’s destruction triggered a week of sectarian violence that killed hundreds. U.S. soldiers interviewed in Samarra three weeks earlier said patrols in the city had been scaled back because the number of troops had been reduced by two-thirds.
Airstrikes also risk civilian casualties, driving a wedge between American forces and Iraqis, Iraqis say.
Osama Jadaan al Dulaimi, a tribal leader in the western town of Karabilah, a town near the Syrian border that was hit with bombs or missiles on at least 17 days between October 2005 and February 2006, said the bombings had created enemies.
“The people of Karabilah hate the foreigners who crossed the border and entered their areas and got into a fight with the Americans,” al Dulaimi said. “The residents now also hate the American occupiers who demolished their houses with bombs and killed their families … and now the people of Karabilah want to join the resistance against the Americans for what they did.”
(from an article linked at Raw Story)
Geez–the fuckin ingrateful Iraqis are pissed cause we blew up their houses and killed their aunties–INGRATES
Freedom on the MARCH!
watou: Are you telling me that our Bush-run government is so incompetent that they screwed the pooch on the one bona fide terrorist we have in our mitts?
They’ve screwed up pretty much every other prosecution they’ve tried. (Jose Padilla? The “sleeper cell” in Buffalo?)
I suspect that the bigger problem is that they hype every case for PR value, and then the actual evidence can’t live up to the hype.
I hope the judge does not proceed outside the boundaries of true justice. But I also hope that doesn’t mean that a truly guilty party doesn’t get appropriately convicted and sentenced.
The judge is tough and fair, both from my brief experience (I was in the initial jury pool) and what I know by reputation. The administration may be trying to go outside the boundaries of justice, but she won’t.
Wilson
papadoug tells me I should use firefox, so maybe I will from now on, I’m not crazy about this MSN Browser either!
haven’t followed this case closely- but the only substantive charge I’ve read about is that the guy “dreamt of flyin an airplane into the White House”. I suppose there’s more to it than that?
Everyone sounds like a bunch of kids on xmas morn…..playing with the new toy.
rwcole says:
March 15th, 2006 at 3:30 am
Geez–the fuckin ingrateful Iraqis are pissed cause we blew up their houses and killed their aunties–INGRATES
Freedom on the MARCH!
And my brain explodes when wonks say that the Iraqis have a choice, civil war or Amerikun given democracy. With no water, electricity, safety, jobs and oh yeah, bombs falling all around you, yeah, do what we say NOW. We gave you so much, say thank you now and give us yer oil.
Christy,
You rock! Can I bear your child? :-)
A dedicated commercial web server with 1000GB of monthly download and 100 Mbit bandwidth is only $100 per month (at most), and multiple servers can be automatically load-shared. Sometimes you just have to pay to get what you need. I’m sure you can get donations to cover server costs (I know I would help).
Doug Wiken, btw, there are a lot of legal types who regularly post here. Not so many around right now… Mary? see #51 Doug Wiken?
OH WILSON!!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!!
Don’t the Iraqis know that when our bombs blow up their houses and kill their aunties- WE’RE REAL SORRY? Sheeesh! Some people will complain about nearly ANYTHING!
watou – Moussouai is not “getting off”. I believe he has been convicted already. At this point I think the only issue is sentencing.
So the issue is whether he gets life (a given no matter what from what I heard) or the death penalty. Since he did not kill anyone himself, I had originally thought the request for the death penalty had something to do with a conspiracy aspect.
I have not followed it closely but from what I heard on coverage (which is not something that you can trust really, IMO) the request for the death penalty is a bit stretchier than that – it is based on the fact that when he was questioned he did not reveal information (but we do normally have a 5th amendment right to not self-incriminate – so I’m a bit at a loss on that??) and his “failure to reveal information” resulted in deaths and therefore supports the application of the death penalty.
I haven’t followed closely enough to have a solid opinion – but the concept in general makes me more than a little nervous. I’m hoping that I am misunderstanding.
Anyway – the only question being decided at this point as best I can tell is life v. death.
Damn, Redd, first I thought when I heard about this fuckup was “Redd’s gonna tear them a new one!”
And, lady, you did. Thank you for this.
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Had enough?
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General tells congress that the US MAY decide to keep PERMANENT military bases- to guard the oil (yeah he really said that)..
Well hell- we’ve known that for YEARS!
rwcole,
“Coz- well thanks- wonder what the odds are- no judge wants to be responsible for letting a “terrorist†walk free–even one who never did anything.”
You gotta follow the law, end of story. What Martin did was outrageous.
I’m on firefox now and I can seeeee!!:)
I presume others have noted this, but our own Professor Foland has been quoted on the front page of Glenn Greenwald’s blog:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..ciary.html
for you weenies that persist in using Internet Explorer and are having visibility problems with the text :
To display Web page text larger or smaller
On the View menu, point to Text Size, and then click the size you want.
OK- I’m one of the “weenies”- but I can SEE just fine!
new thread
The increased bombing in Iraq follows the pattern of Vietnam. Nixon/Kissinger tried to cover the “Vietmization” of the war by increasing US bombing and trying to send the South Vietnamese Army instead of US troops into the more dangerous areas — a strategy designed to lower the “body count” of US casualties. I was there part of that period — 1970 — and went on patrols with Vietnamese irregulars, carrying the radio for the US adviser, usually a Captain or 1st Lt. The Vietnamese villagers always seemed to know where the NVA and Vietcong were, and avoided engagements, much to the chagrin of my Captain but to my relief. They weren’t crazy; only we were. Sound familiar?
Raw Story has five or six significant Iraq stories linked- worth a read- unless you ran out of blood pressure medication today.
Re: Text Size
For Internet Explorer, click on “view” on your top tool bar then click on “text size” :D
Oh boy, a new toy!!
I want to try the smileys.
I’m not :evil: or :twisted: I’m just trying to be :cool: Hope this doesn’t come out as a big :oops:
this whole episode was a VERY big deal—it’s not like it never happens—usually it’s the case agents who “forget” and go talk to a witness, but this??? Only a civil lawyer could have done this and had any thought of getting away wit it—criminal lawyers on both sides know that the rules are followed very closely in criminal cases. The judge was very careful in choosing a remedy which the 4th Circuit has already sanctioned as appropriate in cases where the sequestrtion order was in place—to have dismissed the death notice would probably have gone too far for the court of appeals. But this rememdy (exclusion of the tainted witnesses) will have the same effect and be more palatable in Richmond. Martin, the TSA lawyer, is in a world of shit—I hope she is prosecuted (obstruction of justice??? corruptly influencing witnesses [probably won’t fly] and held in contempt, and disbarred—this is so far beyond egregious—probably all done to save the civil case—she just sunk that too. Geez, if a judge ever said about me what Brinkema said about her, I would just shrivel into the floor on the spot.
Murtha’s on a roll:
I sent the following to my colleagues in the House and Senate today.
click here
A couple of things I wonder about the ruling — first, if the judge declared a mistrial, could the government seek a new trial? (That’s what I seem to remember, but I’m just a layman, and I’m not sure if that would apply to a penalty phase even if it’s true in general.) So I’m thinking perhaps she’s letting them proceed with a big handicap because she doesn’t want them starting over with someone else.
Second, it wouldn’t surprise me if she wants to make sure that they hang themselves with their own rope (i.e, presenting a weak enough case that the jury won’t give them the death penalty), rather than let the administration’s lackeys paint her as “the judge who let off Moussaoui easy.”
IANAL, and yet these guys did things I would have known not to do. I think “stupid” is a good adjective for these folks.
There was an interview on the News Hour who used to be a Federal prosecutor. He said much the same thing as ReddHedd has. He was a little more subdued, but he also seemed to be disgusted by what he’d heard about this. If nothing else, it will probably turn this sentencing trial into a big waste of money.
I’m disgusted, too. It makes me start to wonder how much else is screwed up about this case, and whether we’re jailing or executing an innocent man. When you can’t trust the prosecutors to do the right thing, it makes everything about a case suspect.
Oh, and hello Christy Hardin Smith ;)
Redshift,
“A couple of things I wonder about the ruling — first, if the judge declared a mistrial, could the government seek a new trial?”
Absolutely!
Just trying to play with the new toy test:
:evil:
:twisted:
No, Coz, the govt does not get a new trial when they cause the mistrial.
Wow, great post Redd. I guess I will miss your name but Christy is pretty too.
By the way, over at Kos there is a post that we are going to be sending over “more” soldiers to Iraq for a month or so. Can you believe. I wonder what that will do to the Chimps poll numbers.
Love the site, I think, when all the kinks get worked out.
tom: No, Coz, the govt does not get a new trial when they cause the mistrial.
Ah, that makes a lot of sense!
Redshift–the judge could have granted a mistrial–there are rules & case law re: whether the case could have been tried again—depends on whether the court finds that the prosecution provoked the defense into asking for a mistrial. But the defense doesn’t want a mistrial here—not if it could be tried again–cuz then the witnesses could testify–new sequestration order. The prevailing law in the 4th circuit says the options are: rigorous cross-examination; exclusion of witnesses and giving a curative instruction. So the judge gave an acceptable remedy, which will have the effect of the govt having committed hari kari upon its own case–and this has to be framed that the govt. did this to themselves, the judge didn’t do it to them.
gyro gear — interesting coincidence or clever tactics?? Murtha puts out his long list of “they said this but here are the facts” sheet so soon after the Feingold Motion to Censure Bush re warrantless surveillance (and lying about it).
If the Dems were really smart, there would be another Motion to Censure Bush announced Sunday and introduced next Monday, on Iraq, using the Murtha fact sheet.
A readability rule of thumb from the world of print and paper … in long passages of text, it helps the reader a lot if the type is sized so that the line-length is somewhere between 45 and 65 “average”-width characters.
For what it’s worth…
Kind regards,
Dog, etc.
searching for home
“No, Coz, the govt does not get a new trial when they cause the mistrial.”
Thanks. I didn’t know that. Whoops ;)
: )
Oh heck, i give up: :
It looks like she’s in big trouble. How often does a lawyer get a miranda warning from a judge?
“Yesterday’s hearing featured only a brief appearance by the woman at the center of the controversy. Brinkema warned Martin that she could be held in criminal or civil contempt. In an unusual move, the judge read Martin a version of the Miranda warning given by police to criminal suspects as she took the stand at the start of the hearing.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00132.html
And…
A (albeit not proven in a court of law) ~very~ dangerous individual goes free?
Incompetence places America further at risk.
We cannot even get these guys by the rules when they serve themselves up on a silver platter.
Move the fear color indicator up a notch, the DoJ is letting another terrorist escape.
Oh man, here you go:
Ms. Martin’s mother, Jean Martin Lay, said she spoke to her daughter Monday night.
“She was so devastated,” Ms. Lay said in a telephone interview from her home in Knoxville, Tenn. “She said she just didn’t hear the judge.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03…..awyer.html
Gaby
it’s the ‘Oops’ defence
I get better from my 6-year-old
“The rules are that you do not, under any circumstances, woodshed your witnesses as to other testimony that has been given in the case during the course of a trial. Period.”
Ahhhh, “woodsheding.” So that what they call it now?
I always preferred the rawness of “suborning perjury.” But that’s just me. : )
[Watch out, Redd…there’s a new kid on the block!]
Mack: And…
A (albeit not proven in a court of law) ~very~ dangerous individual goes free?
Incompetence places America further at risk.
We cannot even get these guys by the rules when they serve themselves up on a silver platter.
Move the fear color indicator up a notch, the DoJ is letting another terrorist escape.
Well, not quite. This was the sentencing phase, not the trial (Moussaoui ended the trial by pleading guilty to a number of charges.) The jury is deciding between the death penalty and life imprisonment, so Moussaoui isn’t going free either way.
Mack-
I certainly hope your 6 year old is not prosecuting terrorists.
I agree with whoever said above (I can’t find it now) but will paraphrase – This is the problem with a leader who is able to disregard the rules, it trickles down and everyone becomes corrupt.
It seems like this dumb TSA lady somehow convinced herself the rules do not apply to her for some reason.
I get better from my 15 year old (who is already smarter than I am).
I like Debbie Stabenow’s slogan: “Dangerously incompetent”. Granted, she’s talking about Bush (I think.), but it applies to this case, too. Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like these are things you’d know not to do after you’ve been through orientation at law school.
This is why the actions of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Dumbsfeld et. al. are so heinous. They are setting the standards for honesty for the whole country and what a low standard it is.
Lying…OK, no problem.
Flout international law…OK, no problem.
Violate the Geneva Convention…OK, no problem.
And with human scum such as Alberto Gonzales and John Woo to spout the most egregarious bullshit they have gotten away with it until now.
Perhaps no more….
Although I fail to understand why the Judge is persisting in going on with this farce. Should be a mistrial by my, admittedly amateur, perspective.
The defense will be appealing this sucka for years and years.
Sy Hersch wrote some months ago that the next phase of the war would be increased air strikes. It’s not at all clear who the strikes are against unless they’re just blowing stuff up to prove that they can do it.
I think that Judge Brinkema deserves a lot of credit for the way she has handled this extraordinary case. If you have been following the writhings of the crazy defendant, his off-again on-again legal team, and the pitches the government has been throwing to her, you have to admire her. She has what used to be called, back in the day, “judicial temperament.” She wants the defendant to have a fair trial. She does not appear to care what the result is as long as it is fair. She has kept her cool through some really incredible provocation from both sides. She has resisted the urge, if she had one, to throw something. If only there were more like her on the federal bench we wouldn’t care who appointed them or what their politics are.
Christy Hardin Smith has a very nice ring. Any relation to John Wesley Hardin, immortalized by Bod Dylan with the eponymous album?
I just read the NYT article about Martin linked to above– horrifying. She didn’t “HEAR” the judge’s order??? It’s a WRITTEN order! Yes, Redd (er, Christy), as one who has been on the defense side of the courtroom, I find this utterly amazing. And apparently this is not the first time she’s tried to flout the basic rules, trying to keep secret a motion for summary judgment, from the OPPOSING PARTY!
I was about to say, of course she will be fired, but then again, no-accountability for egregious mistakes is the norm for this administration. Had a judge ever said of me what Brinkema said of Martin, I would have just sent in my resignation from the Bar and moved out of state within the day.
Sigh.
Christy,
Did Jane not pass along the bit I forwarded about how Martin got her training working as Chief Clerk on Dan Burton’s witch-hunt committee, alongside good ol’ Babs Comstock?
David Finley
Because Brinkema was already reversed once by the 4th Circuit when she earlier ruled that the death penalty is off the table, she is probably (and justifiably) a bit gun-shy about doing that again. I think she took the risk-averse path, which may well have the effect of killing the government’s already tenuous case in any event.
This reeks of high-level pressure to secure a death sentence by any means necessary, in order to attempt show that this maladministration is fighting terra. That they are putting up this show trial with a Al Quaeda flunky (who also is, to use the clinical term, cuckoonuts) is just shameful.
Having read throught the e-mails in their entirety now, I am struck by the degree to which they dump on the way the prosecutors were setting up the case. This was reported, but I certainly did not get a full sense of what Martin’s complaints were and how serious they were. She not only accuses the prosecuotrs of overreaching, she is basically sayinf (to be fair to her, in an area of her own expertise) that the lynchpin of the government’s syllogism — i.e., that the FAA had the capability to turn on a dime if the FBI had alerted them to the danger of shosrt-bladed knives and create a screening system that would have prevented those weapons from getting on any plane anywhere in the U.S. — is factually incorrect, even leaving aside the tenuous chain of “ifs” that stack up before you even get tothe FAA’s role. Martin says that the FAA — her client (and she has experience, having been involved in the Lockerbie matter) quite simply could not have done what the government said it not only could have but *would* have done. (And, in any event, she notes that determined hijackers, trained in hand-to-hand combat may well ahve been able to pull it off without box-cutters, which also is a fair point: if you’re determined and brutal enough you can do awful things with a ball-point pen after all.)
So, setting aside the witness-tampering aspect of things for a moment, I think it pays to note that Martin’s criticisms of the prosecution strategy — which amount to an accusation that the prosecution either negligently or deliberately painted a false factual picture of the FAA — are both serious and, at least on the face of things, pretty damn persuasive.
This gets me to thinking . . . Perhaps the reason why the prosecuotrs (who are themselves no Boy Scouts in this case by a long shot) decided they had to out Martin is that she was not being a team player, not going along with their game plan, quibbling about mere facts as to what her client was and was not capable of doing in response to a warning from the FBI. She was undermining their version of the case by insisting on a different narrative — one that, in her view, would impugn Moussaoui while doing less violence to the actual facts.
To follow this speculation further, I wonder if the prosecution would have been so quick to out Martin if her coaching had been in line with thier own theory of the case. Even from their letter, you get the sense that they can’t help basically admitting that in their view, her sin was to second-guess their judgment rather than the much greater actual sin of coaching witnesses in violation of the sequestration order.
Something to ponder.