
The last few days have been an avalanche of criticism regarding the Bush Administration playing fast and loose with the law and the facts. And it isn't just coming from Democrats.
The recent decision (warning: PDF) by the 4th Circuit on the Padilla case is a good example of how even conservatives are disgusted by this Administration. Judge Michael Luttig, writing for the court, accuses the Administration of attempting to avoid review by the Supreme Court, by playing fast and loose with the law and trying to get the Court to aid and abet them in mooting the issue. To say Judge Luttig and the rest of the 4th Circuit judges involved in the decision were not amused is an understatement.
Then there is the decision recently issued by the D.C. Circuit (warning: PDF) regarding two Uighur detainees, already determined by the US military to be "no longer classified as enemy combatants" (whatever in the hell that means, since there is a substantial question as to whether they were ever enemy combatants in the first place, according to the Court, which can't get a straight answer from the Administration on this point and calls their description Kafka-esque). The case was sent along to me by Hilzoy from Obsidian Wings (who has been doing excellent work on this issue, btw, major kudos), and reading the opinion is an exercise in frustration and disgust.
It seems these two men have been held for four years in Guantanimo and, despite being determined by both military and civil courts as being innocent, are still being held because they are in some sort of legal limbo in terms of relief. Under the law, the D.C. Circuit cannot order release into the United States, but as uighurs who have been determined to have been in Afghanistan, the Chinese government has a "special interest" in them.
So, they are prisoners without a country of safety, and will remain in Guantanimo indefinitely until someone decides that imprisoning innocent people is unacceptable, and finds a third party nation to take them (since the US isn't exactly stepping up to the plate with offers of sanctuary, seeing how they might be pissed at us for wrongful imprisonment in the first place and all).
Then you add in the fact that Congress specifically negotiated with the Administration that there would be no domestic spying included in the Afghan resolution, according to Tom Daschle -- you really get a feeling that this Preznit is an awful lot like my toddler. Telling her no makes her cranky and obstinate, too. But, really, don't you expect more from an adult who styles himself the leader of the free world?
Apparently, some folks don't, like John Schmidt in the Chicago Tribune. Just one problem -- Schmidt ignores this in his reasoning: The Keith case specifically addressed domestic surveillance and determined that it DID require a warrant.
Moreover, the Supreme Court in that case did not rule that any surveillance methods used to surveil foreign actors were okey-dokey. Rather, they expressly stated they were reaching no opinion whatsoever on that matter, since it was not addressable under the facts at issue in that case. I'd suggest a re-reading of Keith, along with the Youngstown case, for good measure, for Mr. Schmidt. And some contemplation as to why the FISA court was established in the first place -- it's called Presidential overreaching and bad faith and ignoring Congressional and legal oversight. Sound familiar?
While the Preznit keeps touting his great legal advice, I have a little for him myself: try talking with lawyers who aren't just telling you what you want to hear. The value in legal advice is listening to all sides of the issue, even the ones that don't support your own viewpoint -- that way you don't continue to get an ass chewing from irate Federal judges that you are playing fast and loose with the law.
Of course, it's a little late for those uighurs in Guantanimo, isn't it? About four years too late.
UPDATE: Glenn Greenwald has more, including an update on Administration supporters' latest attempts at justifying all of this.
Also, TalkLeft addresses the Administration contentions on domestic surveillance authority.
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Morning Redd-Merry Fitzmas
It’s a bit late for Clusterfuck to be gettin legal advice- yep! Shoulda called you earlier.
Why is he holding the phone like that?
I have to ask, is that a real photo or a photoshop?? HILARIOUS
Ken — no idea. But the picture cracked me up.
I like his Christopher Lloyd hair.
In the past- I haven’t been much impressed with those who talk about leaving the country–but if things continue in the current direction- I will at least consider it. My wife has dual citizenship–would be ironic to go to Germany to escape fascism wouldn’t it?
“Hello…Helllloooo! Is dis ding on?”
He is holding the phone that way because he does not want to hear what the other person is saying. Many people do that, with or without a phone…
…And is that a picture of his favorite poodle in the backround?
I got this pix in an e-mail from someone who did not want attribution. My guess is that it is photoshopped but I can’t say that for certain, so it’s just my guess.
A remotely moral administration would offer the Uighurs sanctuary in the US, in order to at least partially compensate for what we’ve done to them. They might be substantially less pissed at us in that case, and even more so if we demonstrated true American values by bringing to justice the people responsible for their imprisonment.
I’d guess it’s either photoshopped, or it’s from some White House “humor” piece, like the “where are the WMDs?” sketch.
Well two turkeys for the homeless shelter in the ovens- and now for the gift wrapping- ugh.
This holiday should be called- “Get part of your inheritance early”.
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Large demonstrations broke out across the country Friday to denounce parliamentary elections that protesters say were rigged in favor of the main religious Shiite coalition. Also, the U.S. military said two soldiers were killed when their vehicle struck a roadside bomb in Baghdad on Friday
Gee Whiz–what if the elections in Iraq HADN’T gone well?
And the headshot in the background–more photoshopping?…hard to figure out the writing on the lower right-hand corner….more of a paw-print than a signature, really….
NEW YORK The politician and onetime administration and U.S. newspaper source, Ahmed Chalabi, “appears to have suffered a humiliating defeat at the recent Iraq polls,” NBC News reports today, according to the uncertified preliminary results.
It said that preliminary results in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad indicate that ChalabiÂ’s Iraqi National Congress scored a minuscule 0.36 percent of the votes.
In the Shiite city of Basra, the results indicate Chalabi, the current deputy prime minister who some neocons thought might soon head the country, had an equally dismal showing of 0.34 percent of the vote. In the Sunni province of Anbar, 113 people voted for him.
“The election results in Iraq may present ChalabiÂ’s ardent U.S. supporters with a quandary: Chalabi, as well as other losing candidates, is alleging fraud in the election, even though the Bush administration hailed the vote as a historic step for democracy in Iraq,” NBC reports. Indeed, the country is now in political turmoil over this.
During the election, ChalabiÂ’s campaign posters proclaimed, “We Liberated Iraq.”
Just last month, with the help of major U.S. lobbyists, he toured this country, meeting with Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and appeared widely on American television.
Morning! Now ensconced in a new location, visiting family
for Xmas.
The href=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05356/626195.stm>Pittsbur
gh Post-Gazette
has a nice summary of the legal cases andlegal issues in the President’s quest for Absolute Power.
Three biggies are summarized:
href=http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=U
S&vol=71&invol=2>Ex parte Milligan
(during Civil War,ruling that the President’s war power does not overcome
certain constitutional rights — there, habeas corpus)
Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito defended the right of government officials to order domestic wiretaps when he worked for the Reagan Justice Department, documents released Friday show.
He advocated a step by step approach to strengthening the hand of officials in a 1984 memo to the solicitor general. The strategy is similar to the one that Alito espoused for rolling back abortion rights at the margins.
The release of the memo by the National Archives comes when President Bush is under fire for secretly ordering domestic spying of suspected terrorists without a warrant. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., has promised to question Alito about the administration’s program.
The memo dealt with whether government officials should have blanket protection from lawsuits when authorizing wiretaps. ”I do not question that the attorney general should have this immunity,” Alito wrote. ”But for tactical reasons, I would not raise the issue here.”
Despite Alito’s warning that the government would lose, the Reagan administration took the fight to the Supreme Court in the case of whether Nixon’s attorney general, John Mitchell, could be sued for authorizing a warrantless domestic wiretap to gather information about a suspected terrorist plot. The FBI had received information about a conspiracy to destroy utility tunnels in Washington and kidnap Henry Kissinger, then national security adviser.
That case ultimately led to a 1985 ruling by the Supreme Court that the attorney general and other high level executive officials could be sued for violating people’s rights, in the name of national security, with such actions as domestic wiretaps.
”The danger that high federal officials will disregard constitutional rights in their zeal to protect the national security is sufficiently real to counsel against affording such officials an absolute immunity,” the court found.
However, the court said Mitchell was protected from suit, because when he authorized the wiretap he did not realize his actions violated the Fourth Amendment.
Alito had advised his bosses to appeal the case on narrow procedural grounds but not seek blanket immunity.
”There are also strong reasons to believe that our chances of success will be greater in future cases,” he wrote. He noted then-Justice William Rehnquist would be a key vote and had recused himself from the Nixon-era case.
The incremental legal strategy is consistent with the approach Alito advocated on chipping away abortion rights. In memos released Friday and last month, Alito said abortion rights should be overturned but recommended a roadmap of dismantling them piece by piece instead of a ”frontal assault on Roe v. Wade.”
He said of his plan: ”It has most of the advantage of a brief devoted to the overruling of Roe v. Wade; it makes our position clear, does not even tacitly concede Roe’s legitimacy, and signals that we regard the question as live and open.”
The documents were among 45 released by the National Archives on Friday. A total of 744 pages were made public.
OK– Now we know- this guy’s a fascist- and that’s why Clusterfuck nominated him– fillibuster the fucker!
Hi Prof- eager to read your links- but I can’t seem to click on em!
What a mess I just made.
I am on slow dialup now, and am trying to preview, but partially posted. Wait a minute.
.
Sorry about your toddler. Not all toddlers are unreasonable.
My daughter was almost always willing to listen & negotiate. Even at 2, she could come up with good, logical, arguments delivered in a pleasant manner.
On behalf of toddlers, please don’t compare them to the Preznit.
Redd, another excellent post; helpful especially in pulling together the various court decisions that are sending the same message to Bush: “You’re out of line.”
There is a profound legal ethics issue going on here, as your final paragraphs imply. WH counsel and Justice Department are not doing their jobs, which is to keep the President out of legal trouble, not walk him into it. Hence your very ethical advice to get outside counsel. They’re behaving as though their job is to come up with the best defense they can for a criminal defendant, but that’s not their job.
The Greenwald response to the Bush legal arguments is again spectacular. A helpful clarification is that he’s speaking, (I think???) about the area of the Constitution in which BOTH the executive and legislative branches have constitutional power — Congress has power over setting the rules for surveillance, to define what’s reasonable under the 4th Amendment, just as the executive has power in that filed. Because we have to acknowledge both grants of authority, the President cannot igore a Congresssional statute making it a crime to spy on Americans without a warrant. I think that’s what Greenwald is arguing.
I assume there are powers that are exclusively executive in nature. For example, the President has the power to veto legislation, and congress does not have the power to legislate that vetoing a bill is a crime. A president could, unless I’m wrong, ignore such a statute.
But domestic spying is not of that kind. Does this make sense?
btw, another thanks to Prof, who yesterday gave us a graduate refresher class in Constitutional Law, using the Youngstown decision cited by Redd and Greenwald. Worth reading for those interested in the separation of powers issues.
I remember this photo from 2002, when he was trying to drum up support from Security Council member countries for second UN resolution.
He gave up that effort after a few days. Phone and Tony Blair’s photo may have been photoshopped.
Can someone find the original?
Noce PhotoShop job, if a little obvious upon close examination.
;)
—
This all brings more light as to why Bush wanted Harriet Miers on the SCOTUS doesn’t it?
Here is the latest on Uighur detainees from Reuters.
U.S. District Judge James Robertson said he finds that “a federal court has no relief to offer” Abu Bakker Qassim and A’del Abdu Al-Hakim, who are being held at the U.S. military prison in Cuba while the United States searches for a country to take them in.
You may want to include this in the “Bad News for Bush” file, also from Reuters.
Opposing views? Surely you jest! He’ll do what he’s been doing–and always does–when he’s caught red-handed, which is attack the messenger and keep droning on about 9/11.
P.S. Are there any engineers out there? Could you really bring down the Brooklyn Bridge with blowtorches? It sounds like trying to knock down the Hoover dam with baseball bats, but I want somebody who knows what they’re talking about to weigh in. After all, I didn’t think you could hijack four airplanes with boxcutters, either.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Grandma had her hands full beating off the Indians:
ALITO DEFENDS WIRETAPS
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Supreme_Court
Not a very good photo op., Generalissimo George. Perhaps it’s a good send-up by the graphics people. If it’s legit, it might be a very good symbolic indication of how the pretender to the throne’s world has turned upside down. Pressure will do that, Mr. President. What a riot. Either way it’s hysterical!!!
Oh Mark, you just made me snort my coffee.
Quick, someone pass Grandma some more ammunition…
I love you, too, Redd. Keep smiling!
Hello Karl… I’m out of Old Crow, and speaking of that, where’s my mother?
rw,
If Prof has trouble on line, I think his cites can also be found through Redd’s article, going to Greenwald, where Greenwald talks about the the same (I think) cases.
Off topic:
Maybe this story is starting to get a little ‘traction’?? ’bout time!
Rueters:
Scandals cast light on congressional lobbying
Top staffers now expect starting lobbyist salaries of $300,000
conflict of interest, because lawmakers and staffers may not push policies that hurt their future job prospects as lobbyists. MAY BE?? we have the best government money can buy.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200.....MlJVRPUCUl
.
How would Alito vote if the domestic spying case reached SCOTUS? We obviously won’t know until that happens, but here is a hint, and how the court decided (when Nixon AG Mitchell wanted a wiretap for security reasons).
Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito defended the right of government officials to order domestic wiretaps when he worked for the Reagan Justice Department, documents released Friday show.
[…]
The release of the memo by the National Archives comes when President Bush is under fire for secretly ordering domestic spying of suspected terrorists without a warrant. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., has promised to question Alito about the administration’s program.
[Â…]
That case ultimately led to a 1985 ruling by the Supreme Court that the attorney general and other high level executive officials could be sued for violating people’s rights, in the name of national security, with such actions as domestic wiretaps.
“The danger that high federal officials will disregard constitutional rights in their zeal to protect the national security is sufficiently real to counsel against affording such officials an absolute immunity,” the court found.
[Â…]
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s.....E=home.htm
Morning! Now ensconced in a new location, visiting family for Xmas.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has a nice (but of course very short) summary of the legal cases and legal issues in the President’s quest for Absolute Power.
I have been going through the famous Milligan case and will now work through it with y’all.
Or to put it another way, Constitutional Law 101 is back in session this morning.
Haloscan does not allow me to post more than two embedded web links at a time, so what I have written will require a series of successive posts. Here they come.
Prof
I like what Daschle’s saying about this. However, it’s been heard that the NSA is ramping up operations in anticipation of the Alito confirmation to SCOTUS.
and Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (Sandra Day O’Connor 4-vote plurality saying that the AUMF gives Pres. Bush some power, but not absolute power)
By the way, the position of the United States that was expressed in Ex parte Milliganhas this interesting sentence, which might be worth pondering:
“Martial law is the will of the commanding officer of an armed force, or of a geographical military department, expressed in time of war within the limits of his military jurisdiction, as necessity demands and prudence dictates, restrained or enlarged by the orders of his military chief, or supreme executive ruler.”
“Martial law” sounds a little bit like the President “expressing” his “will” in “time of war” without specific legislation by Congress authorizing that particular expression of will, doesn’t it?
To put the question more clearly: Is the President, by claiming that his power to wiretap domestically, essentially making the same claim that the United States made in Milligan regarding its power to impose martial law in the United States?
It seems so.
(I am not an expert on “martial law,” I should note.)
But let me quote a bit further from the government’s position in Ex parte Milligan
“The officer executing martial law is at the same time supreme legislator, supreme judge, and supreme executive. As necessity makes his will the law, he only can define and declare it; and whether or not it is infringed, and of the extent of the infraction, he alone can judge; and his sole order punishes or acquits the alleged offender. “
The first part sounds rather like the current Presidential assertions of Absolute Power. The President defines and declares (through secret Executive Orders) that His Law (pardon the seasonal capitalization) governs whether people in the US have certain rights against his electronic surveillance. His answer is “No.”
The lawyers for the government in Ex parte Milliganeven argued that the Fourth Amendment does not apply when we are at war.
I won’t bother quoting from the lawyers for Milligan, but will cut to the chase scene, namely the ruling of the Supreme Court. If you want to click on the Ex parte Milligancase, you can then search (ctrl-F) for this phrase:
Mr. Justice DAVIS
and you will be taken directly to the opinion of the Court, which is 3/4 of the way through the materials online. Then search further (ctrl-F) for this phrase:
By the protection of the law human rights are secured; withdraw that protection, and they are at the mercy of wicked rulers. or the clamor of an excited people.
But might a state of war imply that those rights need to be diluted, for the sake of Order? Well, the people at the time of founding our nation thought about such eventualities:
And so strong was the sense of the country of their importance, and so jealous were the people that these rights, highly prized, might be denied them by implication, that when the original Constitution was proposed for adoption it encountered severe opposition; and, but for the belief that it would be so amended as to embrace them, it would never have been ratified.
In other words, the people said that we would not ratify this new Constitution unless our rights are written directly into it. And so our Founding Fathers did so — precisely to protect us more than 200 years later in situations like the present. That is,
Those great and good men foresaw that troublous times would arise, when rulers and people would become restive under restraint, and seek by sharp and decisive measures to accomplish ends deemed just and proper; and that the principles of constitutional liberty would be in peril, unless established by irrepealable law.
Moving along, we find this in the Court’s ruling:
The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances.
And then search for this phrase, involving whether individual rights may be suspended during war.
Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism
What about the ‘laws and usages of war’? Could they not justify actions involving citizens “where the courts are open and their process unobstructed”? The Court replied that in such situations, the laws of war “can never be applied to citizens.”
But even if the President could not act alone under his power, could Congress give the power to ignore the Constitutional rights such as the usage of the courts?
“Congress could grant no such power . . . .”
And what about martial law? That is, what about the power of a military commander (and remember that the President is Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy) to suspend civil rights and remedies because of war?
if true, republican government is a failure, and there is an end of liberty regulated by law.
I am sorry, but I cannot stop the quoting. I simply cannot. Because here, nearly 140 years ago, our Supreme Court spoke directly to us today, in 2005:
This nation, as experience has proved, cannot always remain at peace, and has no right to expect that it will always have wise and humane rulers, sincerely attached to the principles of the Constitution.
The President tells us that we are not at peace. And some of us believe that we do not have wise and human rulers. This possibility was foreseen 140 years ago:
Wicked men, ambitious of power, with hatred of liberty and contempt of law, may fill the place once occupied by Washington and Lincoln; and if this right is conceded, and the calamities of war again befall us, the dangers to human liberty are frightful to contemplate.
Indeed, it is frightful. But so is terrorism. Surely such a contingency could not have been foreseen more than 200 years ago. So our President seeks Absolute Power to deal with its unique characteristics, such as listening in on domestic conversations without order of a court. But the Milligan Court replied that our Forefathers were indeed far-seeing:
If our fathers had failed to provide for just such a contingency, they would have been false to the trust reposed in them. They knew-the history of the world told them-the nation they were founding, be its existence short or long, would be involved in war; how often or how long continued, human foresight could not tell; and that unlimited power, wherever lodged at such a time, was especially hazardous to freemen.
And so they acted:
For this, and other equally weighty reasons, they secured the inheritance they had fought to maintain, by incorporating in a written constitution the safeguards which time had proved were essential to its preservation.
I will stop. I will leave something for you to discover in this great decision of the US Supreme Court.
But before I go, just this:
It is difficult to see how the safety for the country required martial law in Indiana.
Let’s update that:
It is difficult to see how the safety for the country requires martial law in the hands of George W. Bush.
And just to keep you guessing, the following paragraphs were intended to be at the beginning of the posts above. Everything follows after these:
Three biggies are summarized in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article:
Ex parte Milligan (during Civil War, ruling that the President’s war power does not overcome certain constitutional rights — there, habeas corpus)
Youngstown
and Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (Sandra Day O’Connor 4-vote plurality saying that the AUMF gives Pres. Bush some power, but not absolute power)
Did someone call? Someone mentioned passing Grandma some more ammunition? I do have my hands full beating the “indians” back, but since I am a “little bit” Cherokee (great-grandpa from Scotland married a Cherokee to help keep his Texas dry goods business from getting attacked - or so the story goes), never fear, I will negotiate first.
Wait a minute, I will saddle up my horse, grab my ammunition belt armed with the truth, and ride like Paul Revere, screaming for freedom all the way. And when I get there … get the bail money ready.
Maybe I can persuade Grampa to aid and abet.
WaPo has a long headliner on the how FEMA became so dysfunctional. Probably worth a thread by Jane or Redd. It is important not to let the Katrina disaster disappear into the soggy swamp of forgetfulness (sorry about choice of metaphor). The recovery effort is still a huge national disgrace.
Certainly a thread on FEMA by one of the ladies would be more worthwhile than wasting blog bandwidth on the likes of Corn, Harris (of WaPo), and O’Reilly.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....02213.html
new thread
Great stuff Prof– keep it coming!
We are at a watershed moment in the direction of the country.. If what Clusterfuck has done is allowed to stand- there are no practical limitations on his power- he cnn ignore the law with impunity..
We are now engaged in a great war- testing whether this nation conceived in liberty- and dedicated to the proposition that all men- including the president- are created equal- and stand equal before the law- can long endure.
The Padilla decision is a must read. It is withering in its contempt for the actions of the administration.
Why does Judge Luttig side with terrorists? Why does he hate the United States? It is he who should be imprisoned, not Padilla!
Did I say “withering”? I meant to say outraged and contemptuous.
They are fucking angry.
Prof: Thank you so much for sharing these insights and cases with us. What a gift for us Fitzmas celebrants - our very own constitutional law class! Merci!
I’m planning on reading carefully now that I’m on holiday break from work - or at least holiday slow down work from home.
But a question - the quote you included about martial law at the beginning of this lesson - has Bush really just declared martial law (but not directly told us) since he is commander in chief and his war on terra has no national boundaries? While we imagine martial law as troops on the street corners, how much more effective to simply use those powers secretly and without bother of tanks and such? In a technological world, the soldiers in the streets may be redundant - and we might not even notice if W is lucky?
You know, the more I follow the sorry course of American history since the election of George II, the more I have the utmost, the most emphatic and affirmative, the most violent hatred and disgust for the Democratic Party. It is they who are the weasels in this story.
Fine. Compare George II with Ted Bundy, as I have done on numerous occasions. But I am an insect, a flea on the body politic. I am a pathetic, lone citizen without a voice.
But I have voted for “representatives” who have assumed a position of extreme lordosis before George II. These are the people for whom my most sincere revulsion. May they go straight to hell, and may Dennis Kucinich be elected President.
Here is Luttig, a fucking conservative Republican:
It should go without saying that we cannot rest our decisions on media reports of statements from anonymous government sources regarding facts relevant to matters pending before the court, nor should we be required to do so or to speculate as to facts based upon such reports. The information that the government would provide to the media with respect to facts relevant to a pending litigation, it should be prepared to provide to the court.
Note: I caught the tail-end of the last thread on this Alito post. But since this thread is on Alito I feel justified in reposting on this new thread. Both articles refer to Alito’s somewhat creative approach to judicial activism: beat back an existing statute incrementally.
Here is the repost:
How would Alito vote if the domestic spying case reached SCOTUS? We obviously won’t know until that happens, but here is a hint, and how the court decided (when Nixon AG Mitchell wanted a wiretap for security reasons).
Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito defended the right of government officials to order domestic wiretaps when he worked for the Reagan Justice Department, documents released Friday show.
[…]
The release of the memo by the National Archives comes when President Bush is under fire for secretly ordering domestic spying of suspected terrorists without a warrant. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., has promised to question Alito about the administration’s program.
[Â…]
That case ultimately led to a 1985 ruling by the Supreme Court that the attorney general and other high level executive officials could be sued for violating people’s rights, in the name of national security, with such actions as domestic wiretaps.
“The danger that high federal officials will disregard constitutional rights in their zeal to protect the national security is sufficiently real to counsel against affording such officials an absolute immunity,” the court found.
[Â…]
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s.....E=home.htm
“However, the court said Mitchell was protected from suit, because when he authorized the wiretap he did not realize his actions violated the Fourth Amendment.”
Of course he didn’t know, what do expect, he’s only a dumb Lawyer!!!! Oh, and only a poor ignorant Attorney General!!
Gosh you guys! Quit pilin’ on!
Separation of powers - that’s a novel idea, at least to dubya and the enabling sychophants in his administration.
“….In the “war on terrorism” it is important that we lead by example. A cardinal principle of our Constitution is the doctrine of separation of powers. By placing all three powers of government in the same hands, military commissions violate Madison’s balanced system of government. Under certain circumstances (i.e., military government or a state of martial law), Congress can authorize the use of military commissions. Yet, since 9/11 the nation’s lawmakers have not chosen to do so….In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson warned against having “the military independent of, and superior to, the civil power.” The use of military commissions continues the trend toward what one constitutional scholar has aptly called “the military pocket republic.” This is a trend that all Americans should be concerned about.”
James B. Staab, “‘With the Stroke of a Pen’: President Bush Cannot Unilaterally Establish Military Commissions”, Journal of the Institute of Justice and International Studies: Papers from the March 2003 Counter-Terrorism & Civil Liberties Conference, Central Missouri State University, 3, pp. 53-65 [as numbered]. ISSN 1-538-7909 [pdf]
Krauthammer has an article entitled “Impeachment nonsense” in today’s WaPo on this stuff. When I read, “George Washington University law professor Orin Kerr (one critic calls him the man who ‘literally wrote the book on government seizure of electronic evidence’) finds “pretty decent arguments” on both sides, but his own conclusion is that Bush’s actions were ‘probably constitutional,’” I knew that I better check the source . I found that Professor Kerr went on to conclude that Bush has probably violated FISA and that AUMF doesn’t provide the statutory authorization that would have provide Bush an exception: “In the end, my best sense is that the AUMF doesn’t extend to this. I have three reasons. First, O’Connor’s [majority] opinion says the following about detention for interrogation: “Certainly, we agree that indefinite detention for the purpose of interrogation is not authorized.” It seems to me that surveillance and wiretapping is pretty similar to interrogation: the point of both is getting information about your enemy. Second, it doesn’t seem like wiretapping counts as a “use of force.” If you read the text of the AUMF, it doesn’t seem to me that it authorizes wiretapping. Finally, note that Congress passed the Patriot Act about a month after passing the AUMF; if Congress had intended the AUMF to give the president wide authority to conduct domestic surveillance against Al Qaeda, I don’t think they would have spent so much time amending FISA for terrorism investigations. So at bottom, I think the AUMF probably didn’t authorize this, although the Hamdi case gives some colorable (if ultimately unpersuasive) arguments that it might.”
Interesting stuff!
Krauthammer has an article entitled “Impeachment nonsense” in today’s WaPo on this stuff. When I read, “George Washington University law professor Orin Kerr (one critic calls him the man who ‘literally wrote the book on government seizure of electronic evidence’) finds ‘pretty decent arguments’ on both sides, but his own conclusion is that Bush’s actions were ‘probably constitutional,’” I knew that I better check the source . I found that Professor Kerr went on to conclude that Bush has probably violated FISA and that AUMF doesn’t provide the statutory authorization that would have provide Bush an exception: “In the end, my best sense is that the AUMF doesn’t extend to this. I have three reasons. First, O’Connor’s [majority] opinion says the following about detention for interrogation: ‘Certainly, we agree that indefinite detention for the purpose of interrogation is not authorized.’ It seems to me that surveillance and wiretapping is pretty similar to interrogation: the point of both is getting information about your enemy. Second, it doesn’t seem like wiretapping counts as a ‘use of force.’ If you read the text of the AUMF, it doesn’t seem to me that it authorizes wiretapping. Finally, note that Congress passed the Patriot Act about a month after passing the AUMF; if Congress had intended the AUMF to give the president wide authority to conduct domestic surveillance against Al Qaeda, I don’t think they would have spent so much time amending FISA for terrorism investigations. So at bottom, I think the AUMF probably didn’t authorize this, although the Hamdi case gives some colorable (if ultimately unpersuasive) arguments that it might.”
Interesting stuff!
Anon — do you have a link on the Kerr article you are quoting? Would love to take a peek.
is this the Orrin Kerr business?
http://www.volokh.com/archives.....1135029722
Please excuse the victims of our war in Iraq (and elsewhere) if they are bewildered by this furore about telephone taps, after all that has transpired in the name of this GWOT.
Does our hypocrisy have no bounds?
Better Start Listening to Opposing Views
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Like you listen to opposing views….
glad you think you know everything!
Anybody but me notice in that pic of Shrub, he’s talking to the wrong end of the phone?!!!
LOL!! I should have ead the comments first.
By the way- new poll out from Gallup- Clusterfuck JAR down to 41% (from 42%)–it’s beginning to look as if the WP poll that showed Clusterfuck with 47% was a fluke- hope so- it appears that he’s getting a bit of a lift from:
Miers in the rear view mirror-
Gas prices declining
The election in Iraq- which he ballyhooed as a great success.
His vulnerabilities are pretty obvious:
Iraqis having huge demonstrations about rigged elections (why didn’t we think of that)
Rove waiting for indictment
The unpredictable spygate case
Housing bubble lookin like it wants to pop!
High heating oil and natural gas prices
The Abramoff case coming to a head
etc.
He’s got a nice little bump at the moment- but that could be history by spring.
I think Fitzmas is late because he is finding so much illegal crap he does not know where to start?
Cheney in Iraq probably to check for things left behind that should be shredded.
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