Look who is planning to ride on planes, trains, automobiles, boats and buses near you?
According to internal Transportation Security Administration documents, the program calls for newly created "Visible Intermodal Protection and Response" teams — called "Viper" teams — to take positions in public areas along Amtrak’s Northeast Corridor and Los Angeles rail lines; ferries in Washington state; and mass transit systems in Atlanta, Philadelphia and Baltimore. Viper teams will also patrol the Washington Metro system.
I’m all for security. But after the shooting incident in Miami, I’m wondering how much training and what sort the air marshalls get before they are sent out to patrol. It can be incredibly difficult to ascertain the difference between a true threat and a mentally unstable individual — it takes years of training and experience, and frankly a very good sense of intuition in a lot of cases, for an officer to know the difference.
This is another one of those cases where some public discussion is certainly warranted. Sorry, but I don’t trust the DHS to make this decision for me without some input from the outside. Officers need to be given clear guidelines on action and threat assessment — the incident in Miami ought to give everyone pause. Anything less is unfair to the officers involved, let alone the general public.
Especially given that Homeland Security is now putting a plainclothes Air Marshalls on a whole host of modes of transportation. Security is essential given the threats to this nation and the number of people pissed at us at the moment, but that security cannot be achieved in a way that encroaches on our personal liberties any more than is necessary — and it must be considered from every angle, rather than simply being hastily cobbled together without proper guidance to everyone involved, including passengers on the modes of transportation which will be affected.
Next up, a fun ride in to work on the subway. Or the ferry. And not knowing whether a shooting could occur at any moment — from the "good guy" side of things. If that doesn’t give you pause, then you aren’t thinking hard enough.



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Whata bunch of idiots. If you want shooting war on the street, this is one way to do it. Air marshall on airplanes makes sense because passengers can’t carry guns.
Since I presume they do not wear uniforms nor official badges, the potential chaos, confusion, and disasters that’ll follow is not worth the extra security they provide beyond what we have now with uniformed officers.
“I’m wondering how much training and [of] what sort the air marshals get before they are sent out to patrol.”
Yeah, we got a look at how important Homeland Security considers training to be when we heard that Heckuvajob Brownie gave as one reason for stalling on the Katrina situation that people still had to be trained. This, after FEMA had been under DHS for four years.
This may seem trivial, but with measures like these, you can pretty much kiss the tourism industry good-bye. I for one would not even consider going to the US for a vacation under these conditions.
i am wondering if they will be on the lookout for any of us? cointelpro has been revived, you know, see this NBC News report.
“A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn’t know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military…. A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a “threat” and one of more than 1,500 “suspicious incidents” across the country over a recent 10-month period. … One of the CIFA-funded database projects being developed by Northrop Grumman and dubbed “Person Search,” is designed “to provide comprehensive information about people of interest.” It will include the ability to search government as well as commercial databases. “
If that doesn’t give you pause, then you aren’t thinking hard enough.
I agree, but so many things this Administration is doing scare the devil out of me, that I can’t remember what it was they’re doing that scared the devil out of me this time last week.
That’s what really scares me.
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‘marshal’ is spelled with one ‘L’, not two.
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Not long ago I was in the regional Social Security office in Astoria, Oregon. I overheard a couple of local city cops talking about how they were going to become air marshals. I am here to tell you that generally speaking, these are NOT HIGH QUALITY LAW ENFORCEMENT officers, but dipshits who see big paychecks with little oversight. These ARE the DARK DAYS, my friends!
Its long past time to reign in the TSA. This organization is a total waste of money and an actual danger to the nation.
Mark it on your calender as the first to go after Team Bush is out of power.
Soldiers are not needed anywhere on the streets of America -ever.
new thread
Rayne and sonofslothrop~
RE: Osama,
FYI:
http://www.whatreallyhappened……o-real.gif
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=53
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=98
Osama and al Zar-INSERT NAME HERE-qui are, unquestionably, the Emmanuel Goldstein of this fiction…
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You shoulda seen George Carlin on Imus this morning in regard to the Viper plan. To paraphrase, he said they should consider putting marshals in cabs, too! Guess you had to be there. Anyway, there’s a new thread you know.
We’ve got a problem. A BIG one. Multi-pronged.
First, placement of U.S. Marshals inside jurisdiction of local or state police may be a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.
Second, the Pentagon spying on U.S. citizens — without an explicit threat against the government — may also be a violaiton of Posse Comitatus Act.
Thirdly, the Real ID Act allows the DHS to suspend any and all laws that interfere with its protection of borders or prevention of entrance from other countries, without judicial review.
You can surely see how these are all connected and how the DHS and AG will defend their efforts; the DHS need only say they will take over the Pentagon’s domestic spying roll or outsource it to protect its functions.
I don’t believe the POTUS need declare a state of emergency any longer, what with the Real ID Act in place.
So VIPER teams will now be dispersing throughout the US? Any indication of how many officers this entails?
This looks like the beginning of a kind of national police force. Except the kind that, like air marshalls, keep their identity secret. So, it would be better termed a national secret police. Or, if you like, the Secret Police. Kinda reminiscent of Pinochet’s SIDE in Argentina during the Dirty War. The Dept. of Homeland Security has already begun to insist all video surveillance in urban areas be submitted to them (and for which they are immune to all FOIA or other requests as to what they do with it), now they’ll get their own secret police force to move among the population with.
And people are shocked that the Pentagon is spying on American citizens who oppose the war. That is really the least of your worries.
Our mentally ill are no longer safe to travel.
Too bad none of these VIPERs will be able to communicate to the local police/fire/EMS via radio….
We’re shooting ‘em over here, so we don’t have to go over there and uh, er, hmm…
Ummm, how did that one go?
one of the comments from an air marshal after the killing, left me with the impression that alot of their training is fear-mongering — which doesn’t allow much room for thought. he was rationalizing the shooting and his comment was “A terrorist knows who I am and how to slit my throat by placing two credit cards together,” the air marshal said. “I don’t want to make it any easier for him.”
http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne…..-headlines
new thread: Revelations
Robert Novak’s comments are up in a diary at Daily Kos. The more this story spreads the more likely it is that Bush will have to answer them.
“The SS Men wore black uniforms with a skeleton’s head on their hats, the motto Unsere Ehre heisst Treue on their belts and their symbol was the double S-rune. They had sworn eternal faith to Adolf Hitler and they were his most ruthless henchmen, men often seen as the very personifications of evil. A violent group who rose to power in a democracy and established institutions of legitimized terror.”
so i guess this means we solved the security issues on the airlines, right?
once again, real time news reports from courthouse stakeouts indicate that GJ is not meeting.
Rayne,
Osama? I saw somee spin on that the other day.
The talking point was that Osama had lost operational control of al queda and that Zarqarwi (sp?) and Osama were at odds about al queda in iraq.
I guess the morph is that we should be focused on Zarq rather than osama….further rationalziing our engaagement in Iraq.
ml,
I posted about this on the prior thread under a WAG alert (wild ass guess). It seems to me that this is an absolutely incendiary leak. Is rNovak trying to get recalled by Fitz? Who is his source for this?
I think Cheney is scared, because he knows that part of Bush’s exit strategy from his low poll numbers is possibly to blame Iraq and U.S. energy policy on Dick and then ask him to resign. Cheney imo is sending a very, very strong message/salvo (via rNovak) back to Bush saying that if Bush tries to keep scapegoating Cheney, he Cheney may go back and tell Fitz that Bush ordered him, Cheney, to order Libby to leak Plame’s name.
What is relevant now is not what actually happened, but what Cheney is willing to testify to if he feels Bush is being disloyal to him. Cheney may think that his age and health issues may strenghten his leverage here. He will not last long in prison, so what does he have to lose? He may be counting on the fact that Bush being younger and healthier has a longer timeline to deal with. This may also be a signal to Scooter to keep the faith, big Dick, is behind you.
Another possibility is that rNovak is just plain nuts and really really wants to piss off Bush and get an invitation back to talk with Fitz under oath.
As long as the MSM pick this up, Bush almost has to issue a public denial of Novak’s claim. WAG alert.
Dear FDL friends:
Just wanted you all to know that I’ve passed along many, many emails of condolence to Du. The FDL community is amazing – and I’m sure all your messages will mean so much to Du and his family.
If you missed the message last night, here’s a link to the post, the message is in the Sweet Dreams comments at 10:20PM.
Here’s the scoop at Raw Story
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/….._1213.html
Fitz going to GJ today!!
Merry Fitzmas maybe?
Off Topic, but…
Tookie WHO ???
I’mean, y’KnowWhutI’mSayin’?
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Oops — that was supposed to by posted at TLC — my bad.
John Casper-Great point in the last post about Robert Novak. Cheney knows a Rove indictment will explode in the mainstream media and lead alot of otherwise docile reporters to ask what role the VP played. Clearly he has trotted Robert Novak out to warn Bush, in effect, “you’re as guilty as I am.”
At FDL, commenter ml asks:
If r.novak says to ask Bush about the identity of the leaker, does that mean it’s Cheney?
Could it be that in telling the world to ask GWB, R Novak is telegraphing the message that Bush was the leaker?
“p.s. By the way, where the hell is Osama?
Rayne “
He’s on the slopes at St. Moritz. He always takes the family there for Christmas.
If r.novak says to ask Bush about the identity of the leaker, does that mean it’s Cheney?
Could it be that in telling the wolrd to ask GWB, R Novak is telegraphing the message that Bush was the leaker?
Caliphate ?
Who exactly do you think are the terrorists?
This is exactly the same as Europe in the 30’s.
Same Demon. Different victims demonized.
Fascism survived the trials at Nuremberg.
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p.s. By the way, where the hell is Osama?
Pure and utter bullsh*t, this new “marshall plan”.
They’ll point to the attacks in UK and Spain, use related chatter as justifications.
In the meantime, our port security remains grossly inadequate. They’ve forgotten that New Orleans was once one of our largest ports; what have they done about that other than “remove targets” through their social Darwinism?
They’ve also ensured that economically we’ll be at the mercy of other countries who hold our debt. Bush has even committed an impeachable offense of impugning our debt, as if that will somehow stave off our impending economic decline.
“VIPER”? How very brown-shirt of them. I can imagine what a VIPER team member would have done to that poor woman in Colorado who’d refused to ID herself.
We desperately need a return to sanity. First, we need to get Feingold’s back on the Patriot Act. Second, we need to pull out all the stops and win back the majority in Congress.
If r.novak says to ask Bush about the identity of the leaker, does that mean it’s Cheney?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/
Pentagon spying on Americans again. You think they’d want to focus all their attention on Iraq and Afghanistan, since that’s where they’re getting their asses kicked.
Btw, last week they were gonna storm banks and demand ID. That got kiboshed.
Why haven’t the fascisti just engineered a fresh terror attack? It would enable every manner of police state behavior forever.
“I’m not opposed to beefing up patrols on systems like Metro. I completely disagree with the idea that that would be “fascist” – riding public transportation is a privilege, not a right, and if we can ensure a reasonable security force then so be it. ”
I live in the NYC metro area and my husband rides the Northeast Corridor line every day to work. When we’re in NY (which is often), we’re constantly riding buses and subways (unless there’s a transit strike this week . . . )
I agree with poster WDC, I have mixed feelings about beefing up security on public transportation. I’m not particularly worried about “terrorists” as much as I am about common criminals and obnoxious sports fans (hockey fans are the worst) on the trains. Most riders would welcome more security. However, we east coast commuters are a tough crowd. We ‘re probably already tougher customers than the “Visible Intermodal Protection and Response” teams. I say–Bring ‘em on.
ck — my guess is that it really is 40 hours of intensive training all at one, continuous time, and then follow-up training of the inservice variety. That’s what our local officers do, even the SWAT folks, although I’m not certain of the initial training hours for them — whether it is more or less than 40. But the continued in-service stuff is the truly invaluable part, because it’s always better once the officers have had some time in uniform and dealt with real-world situations instead of the initial training stuff.
Both Drudge and Raw Story have posted that Robert Novak in front of the John Locke Society, stated that President Bush knows the identity of the CIA leaker.
that was
“stand-out meme”
A lot of people, including some here it seems, take things as black or white, this or that. There is never anything less than 100%.
Look, ALL of us are concerned about what happened on 9/11. No one wants that to happen again. Yes, we need to have our guard up. We need to be vigilant. We need to take action when it is warrented. But geez, guys. We need to be SMART about it. And having some armed men with obviously hair triggers shooting people getting off airplanes because they were “acting suspiciously” says to me that MAYBE we need to look at what we are doing. There is being vigilant, being prepared, being ready to act, and there is also raging paranoia. I sometimes take the ferries around Puget Sound. I want them to be safe. The guy who was trying to bring a trunkful of explosives in around New Years 2000 destined for LAX was caught here at the Wash. state/B.C. border crossing. Great.
But we need to be very careful of excesses. When does it get to be “overreacting”? That is what we are discussing here.
Republicans and conservatives always seem to think because we complain about some actions that they are taking means that we are somehow supporting terrorists, or we want to lose the Iraq war. That pisses me off. The other night, I went to a kids Christmas show at a very fundamentalist religious school. Personal reasons, I won’t go into them here. But before the show, I was treated to a conversation by the couple sitting next to me. The guy was complaining about how liberals want to lose the war just so we can say “we told you so”. Yeah, I’m rooting for many more meaningless deaths of U.S. military personnel and Iraqi citizens, just so I can get some satisfaction.
I wish people would stop looking at things through this “black or white” filter.
The stand-uot mem for me is:
The terrorists have won.
They have successfully attacked our democracy and our freedom.
They have , for the time being, fallen short of the primary objective of re-establishing a Caliphate, but within the US, 9-11 set into motion the events leading up to the catastrophic Katrina response and the first steps to an armed Federal presence “protecting” the civilian population.
People, the SOTUS is the lynchpin.
Write those letters. Call your Senator. Do not let this happen.
We are short of checks and balances and cannot count on Fitz for everything.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. “
Benjamin Franklin (1706 – 1790), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
ck -
I work for a federal contractor. Every year we have to undergo government “computer security training” regarding the federal network system we use, and pass a test. The test is online multiple choice, open “book” (i.e., you could have a 2nd browser window open with all the training material available).
Everyone in the office, brilliant that we all are, scores 100%.
Our federal bureaucracies are a fucking joke.
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Anyway, like duh. They don’t want to protect us, they want to threaten and cow and kill us.
Well I for one will never rush to get off a bus, plane or train for fear of contracting high velocity lead poisoning. Are things at an intolerable state yet? It’s getting close to that for me.
Firstly, condolences to Dublhatch. Sad news and the time of year often makes such matters worse. My sympathies.
Secondly, in regards to the shooting in Florida. The rule of thumb is if you are going to shoot someone, you are shooting to kill. Aim for the center of gravity, the whole conecept of “winging” someone is really a myth, something for tv dramas. Funny, the fatal shots are never at a caucasian, 60 year old business executive in suit and tie….
As for the the VIPER teams, I hope they deploy in the Global War On Christmas. This fight is real and the troops must gird themselves for battle against the liberals, athiests, Muslims and Jews and especially the Unitarian Universalists…a most pernicious bunch….Santa should be fitted with kevlar vests and his sleigh should be up-armored too. I recommend an elf be sent along as a taste tester, no telling what some of these anti-Christmas creeps would do to his cookies.
I still have a tickling in my old war wound and I am thinking Friday will be a big day..
Finally, it really seems that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran is truly a man dedicated to bringing about World War III.
His latest salvo:
“I assure you that we won’t step back one inch from our nuclear rights,” the president told the crowd, drawing chants of “Death to America!”
This after his denial of the Holocaust in the speech and his comments that Israel should be shipped to Alaska or Europe..
Clearly he is a Neo-con plant and a gift that keeps on giving to the “unending war for everlasting peace” crowd.
-GSD
The only “good guy” is an “obedient guy”.
This is not, I repeat NOT, an episode of ‘The Twilight Zone’Â…
You get it ?
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BobbyG, I was just listening to Stephanie Miller’s radio show where they trashed the moron’s speech in real time – and even they couldn’t keep listening.
9-11 gave me pause. This doesn’t.
On NPR’s Talk of the Nation on Tuesday, they had a long discussion on these issues for law enforcement. They also discussed question of imminent threats (bomb in the suitcase, threatening moves toward the preznit) vs not-so-imminent threats (domestic disturbance / crazy person with a knife) kind of things.
The first speaker was a Major with the Memphis PD, which has one of the best programs in the country for training their officers. They give them 40 hours — a whole 40 hours — of training.
If that’s as good as it gets, what kind of training do the TSA Marshalls get?
Viper. Jesus Christ.
G’mornin’ eminent FDL’ers -
Just finished driving to the office. Bush was carried live on NPR giving his latest slurred speech trying to shore up support for his Iraq debacle. I swear, my BP went up 50 points, I wanted to smash my fist through my radio. The endless recursive ad nauseum rhetorical sewage spew of simplistic red herrings and straw men and petitio principii…
AggghhhhhhHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
He started out yet again alluding to 9/11 to continue the conflation of Iraq and that event. The “man” makes me physically ILL.
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Mal…..ign_ad.jpg
White House staffers surveilling this blog: your boss is a LIAR, and a WAR CRIMINAL.
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One other thing: this means that anyone who is wanted dead by anyone in government with sufficient power, can be shot and killed, either as a mistaken target, or by an errant shot or two. Picture Vic Mackey in _The Shield_ shooting a guy he’s decided is a mole on his team, and getting away with it.
To paraphrase Henry II, won’t someone take care of this meddlesome democracy for me?!?
I see two problems here:
One is identifying the target accurately: terrorists (the Jack Bauer fantasy) and guessing wrong (the London/Brazilian reality).
The other is hitting the target and hitting random, innocent, civilians.
Random violence in public space – because that’s what this is a license for – is what the terrorists do. If we permit this, we are doing their job for them.
ml,
During a news blurb earlier, David Schuster, who was at the courthouse, said the GJ had not been observed to be in session today.
This was probably a little more than an hour ago, so despite what we have been reading, perhaps they aren’t meeting today after all.
Mainsailset – I’ve seen Canadian Bacon, and so have the NeoNuts, and better security on the Great Lakes is obviously in our interest.
Deadly force isn’t necessarily the best method of countering even a suicide bomber. In last Sunday’s NYT Magazine, devoted to “the year in ideas”, one article explained:
There are other techniques to disarm a bomber, though, that don’t involve guns. A company called International Security Defense Systems in Dallas offers antiterrorist advice to airlines and airports and employs several former high-ranking members of the Israeli security services. Chaim Koppel, one of I.S.D.S.’s trainers, explains that it is extremely difficult to shoot someone in the head perfectly, and adds that a shot to the head could in fact set off a suicide bomb. Koppel and his colleagues instead teach an array of moves based on Krav Maga, the self-defense martial art used by Israeli soldiers, that would disarm but not kill a potential bomber. If you’re behind a bomber, according to Koppel, the best thing to do is grab him around the shins, lift up and push forward. The bomber will instinctively use his hands to block his fall. Once his hands are away from the trigger of his bomb, you grab them. If you are facing a bomber head-on, you use a different move, one that basically amounts to punching the bomber in the face and grabbing his hands. Violent, but certainly not deadly. And if you get the wrong person, as the London police did, you don’t have a corpse on your hands. Instead, as Koppel’s colleague Clive Miskin puts it, “you brush his coat off and say you’re sorry.
Am I just naive to think we’re all over-reacting just a tad about terrorists? Britain kept its cool more or less over the IRA; at least they didn’t bomb Ireland over it. The world has been living with terrorism for years. We have more to fear from the creeping fascism that is the result of our country’s response than we do from the terrorists, IMHO. As my neighbor said, after calling the police out one night: “The only thing I fear more than a bear in my backyard at midnight is a nervous cop with a rifle looking for a bear in my backyard at midnight.” The Patriot Act makes me real nervous.
GrandmaJ-
Even though the link may look weird in the comment box, try checking out the Haloscan preview- it will probably be fine. Haloscan automatically condenses long links.
I was up near the Can border a few weeks back, came around a corner and there was this brand new ultra heavy duty fancy pickup with all the bells and whistles, towing a Miami Vice kind of offshore racer, side of boat read “Homeland Security”. Now a bit later I was at the vet picking up my ailing pooch and in walks a guy with Homeland Security badges all over his uniform. So I ask him, hey do you know anything about that boat, he says why yes, he is one of the ones who runs it and how cool it is to go 65 mph over the water. And I’m thinking, mmm boxcutters. I’ll bet the terrorists use Kayaks and rowboats … and the drug runners aren’t rumrunners with fast boats either. But then again, he said that when he hits a log or a reef the boat’s real easy to fix.
Combine the so-charmingly named Viper teams with this morning’s NBC story about how the Pentagon is spying [ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10.....mode/1098/ ] on such vicious potential terra-ists as Quakers, add in a soupcon of Froomkim flap (government cutting press access because of disapproval over reporting of truth) and you see how far gone we are into fascism. Terrifying.
GrandmaJ, I think that one explanation is that it can’t be handled internally, because the print Post is under different leadership than the online Post. Harris and probably Howell work at the print Post, so all they could do “internally” is ask Froomkin nicely to rename his column, etc. They have no authority over him.
It appears from Deborah Howell’s Dec. 11 column that the matter was being discussed vigorously internally. She appeared to be quoting from online chats (although perhaps she interviewed the players as a result of those chats) when she wrote:
“The two Posts interact every day. Post reporters and editors often participate in online chats (about 50 hours a week). . . .
“Political reporters at The Post don’t like WPNI columnist Dan Froomkin’s “White House Briefing,” which is highly opinionated and liberal. …
“John Harris, national political editor at the print Post, said, “The title invites confusion. …
“Froomkin said he is “happy to consider other ways to telegraph to people that I’m not a Post White House reporter.” …”
All that strikes me as her deciding to go public with a spat that had been well-hashed out in their internal online chat.
Prof
Redd:
The title of this thread is: “This should give you pause.” Looking at the graphic, the title could also have been: “This should give you paws.”
Marysz, thanks for your link on the previous thread. I was unaware that Ken Lay also had a separate trial for bank fraud.
WDC – It is not about objecting to increased security, it is about shooting mentally ill people because of lack of training, or even too much military training. Shoot first and think about it later.
It makes every person with any paranoia, or mental illness who gets upset on the bus, train or whatever, likely to get shot. As in our recent episode.
As usual, the Bush administraiton takes a good idea and mangles it and absues it (ala FEMA) until we shout STOP. Then we are accused of being against national security. Hurmmphh.
They’ve tried like hell to eliminate freedom of speech, now this VIPER will take care of freedom of assembly.
You never know when a gov’t agency will find it threatening when a group gathers on the street, kind of like Communist China. They’re just ticking down the Bill of Rights like it was a laundry list.
I find it completely astounding that the wingnuts used to worry about the United Nations taking over and having “black helicopters” patrolling away in the U.S., taking away our basic freedoms. But when it is our own government doing it, everything is just hunky dory. No problems here. All in the name of combating terrorism….
Takes me back to Spain and Brazil in the sixties where the cops carried submachine guns. Not a good time to travel in the US if you have mental problems, are subject to seizures, are deaf, don’t speak english, or can’t see to well.
I take Metro every day, and I’m wondering how this will deter terrorism when we still can’t keep people from mugging, beating and raping Metro riders. Still, although I don’t hold out much hope of the current DHS doing anything correctly, I’m not opposed to beefing up patrols on systems like Metro. I completely disagree with the idea that that would be “fascist” – riding public transportation is a privilege, not a right, and if we can ensure a reasonable security force then so be it. I do think the left needs to be careful about rejecting any and all efforts to increase security as necessarily an encroachment (or at the least an unnecessary encroachment) on reasonable civil liberites.
Josh Marshall at TPM has some interesting takes on the Froomkin/Harris skirmish. He was wondering why this wasn’t handled internally if all they wanted to do was change the name.
But he believes by going public it sends a signal to the complaining White House that they are taking a stand against the stubborn Froomkin (he is NOT drinking our kool aid goshdarnit). He wonders if access to those wonderful ananymous sources was restricted and Harris wants his access back. But they won’t get access back until they dump Froomkin.
Makes a great deal of sense to me. (Sorry, I have tried learning how to link over at DKos, but I keep breaking the margins. :( )
Sounds to me like the intellligence readers are hearing lots of chatter that is leading those in leadership positions to this
al Queida must be gaming the system to see which way the systems respond
Puppetry plain and simple
“Eventually, the truth will emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall.” – Robert C. Byrd
The only reason we are seeing visible security teams on public transportation is to try and instill fear in people so that the NeoNuts can play their “safety” meme. It is part of their psy-ops against the American people, which has lost a lot of steam but is the only trick they know.
If the reaction is anything like that of New Yorkers to the last “terrorist” threat, it won’t have the effect that the NeoNuts want, but that isn’t the point, is it.
And why do they always give them names like “Viper Team?” Oooh. Why don’t they call them “Safety Teams,” or even less threateningly “Crossing Guards.”
Prof thanks for the numbers
The fundamental problem with the “VIPER” plan is that the ratio of mentally unstable, but mostly harmless people riding public transportation to the number of violent terrorists is probably over 100,000 to 1. The plan would almost guarantee that a small but significant number of innocent people will become the victim of misguided shootings, even if all the marshalls act appropriately.
If they terrists hate our freedoms then they have manifestly just won.
This is an amazing article on just what it takes to be able to tell the good guys from the bad guys. Basically, you need a sixth sense not to see dead people.
Since this thread seems to be about government surveillance, this post is appropriate. Here is a piece of a Times article about the Coummunist gov’t of China effectively censoring Chinese blogs.
[snip]
Until Tuesday, Web users who turned to search engines like Google and typed in the word Shanwei, the city with jurisdiction over the village where the demonstration was put down, would find nothing about the protests against power plant construction there, or about the crackdown. Users who continued to search found their browsers freezing. By Tuesday, links to foreign news sources appeared but were invariably inoperative.
But controls like these have spurred a lively commentary among China’s fast-growing blogging community.
“The domestic news blocking system is really interesting,” wrote one blogger. “I heard something happened in Shanwei and wanted to find out whether it was true or just the invention of a few people. So I started searching with Baidu, and Baidu went out of service at once. I could open their site, but couldn’t do any searches.” Baidu is one of the country’s leading search engines.
“I don’t dare to talk,” another blogger wrote. “There are sensitive words everywhere – our motherland is so sensitive. China’s body is covered with sensitive zones.”
While numerous bloggers took the chance of discussing the incident on their Web sites, they found that their remarks were blocked or rapidly expunged, as the government knocked out comments it found offensive or above its low threshold. Some Internet users had trouble calling up major Western news sites, although those were not universally blocked.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12…..38;emc=rss
Could it happen here? Well, the gov’t has made historic inroads on privacy with the Patriot Act, which has seen incremental implementation in so many areas already. It is only a matter of a few more steps to censoring blogs, and it may be easier than you think. Almost all of the activity on the Internet passes through a limited number of URL address servers, and they easily be surveilled to block what the gove’t deems ’seditious’ blogs. Remember, possession is nine-tenths of the law, and physically, most of the Internet ‘backbone’ resides in the US.
more like . . . VIBER . . .
“Visible Intermodal Boondoggle and Response”
gee — wonder who is getting the contracts ?????
OK, 3 or 4 is more like 0.2% in favor of the National Political Editor and the jealous White House beat recorders, not a mere 0.1% as I wrote.
About 99.8% criticize the Post’s editors and print reporters and support Froomkin’s blog-like reporting of the White House.
And there is no sign of a clearly organized campaign to make these postings.
Prof
I was in London the day that Brazilian got shot in tube station. Only place to live these days is New Zealand. Although I hear there are tax advantages to Luxembourg.
The number of commenters just busted 1,600.
Prof
The move to turn America into a facists police state are progressing nicely.
auto transport
there’s no media advisory on PF’s web site. didn’t the last one go up a day in advance?
Readers of the Washington Post online edition have now pounded the National Political Editor of the print edition for just over 20 hours in comments posted at http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/washpostblog/. As of this morning, 1,598 readers have taken the time to write often lengthy rebuttals to the Political Editor, John Harris, and the Post’s Ombudsperson Deborah Howell, and to express their admiration for the unfiltered view of the White House provided by online Post columnist Dan Froomkin. They do so in response to three postings: one by Harris, one by Froomkin, and one by Howell:
Number of postings as of this morning in response to WaPo National Political Editor/WH-Recorder John Harris: (756)
Number of postings as of this morning in response to online columnist Dan Froomkin: (794)
Number of postings as of this morning in response to Post Nonbudswoman Deborah Howell: (48)
The postings are less of a debate than an avalanche:
Number of postings supporting WaPo’s Harris and Howell: maybe 3 or 4 — less than 0.1 percent.
Details at http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/washpostblog/
Recall that Harris wrote that Dan Froomkin’s online column “White House Briefing” was “confusing” readers with the use of the words “White House.” The confusion may be real, since the rest of the Washington Post really has become little more than a briefing from White House officials, who are often disguised by the Post’s print recorders as “anonymous sources.”
The readers are also going after Post print Executive Editor Len”Heckuva Job” Downie, who revealed that the real source of the complaints against Froomkin were not readers at all: “We want to make sure people in the [Bush] administration know that our news coverage by White House reporters is separate from what appears in Froomkin’s column because it contains opinion.”
As for Froomkin’s column (which is clearly labeled “Opinion”), you can bookmark it at http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00879.html
Prof
Fitz, is today the day?