
Holy shit some people just don’t know when to shut up. I mentioned yesterday that the Washington press corps has no idea of the smoldering public rage that threatens to engulf them, but I had no idea that it was about ready to immolate WaPo’s National politics editor John Harris so quickly.
After his haughty laird-of-the-manor remarks about Dan Froomkin and what an embarrassment his column entitled "White House Briefing" was to the real reporters who cover the White House, readers struck back with some 675 comments supporting Froomkin.
Then Harris told Froomkin supporters to pipe down and dismantled their piffling complaints with his masterful strokes of lairdly logic, if he did say so himself. And then OH MY GOD IT GOT UGLY. My favorite:
Don’t be so hard on poor Mr. John Harris. The only thing in his post that I take issue with, is that he forgot to start with: "Hey Rubes !" After that, his whole post makes more sense.
Now Jay Rosen interviews him. Does he care anything about the thousand plus readers who have written in almost unanimous support of Froomkin, whose column the paper acknowledges to be consistently amongst its most popular?
Not a damn. Says Harris:
Without agreeing with the views of this conservative blogger who took on Froomkin, I would say his argument does not seem far-fetched to me.
If you follow the link, you will find it leads to Patrick Ruffini, webmaster for the Bush/Cheney ’04 campaign, who calls Froomkin a "second-rate hack," a "trite Democratic partisan" and accuses him of writing "fluff."
Nice.
But here’s the money quote. Rosen asks if White House officials are the ones complaining about Froomkin’s column:
John Harris: They have never complained in a formal way to me, but I have heard from Republicans in informal ways making clear they think his work is tendentious and unfair. I do not have to agree with them in every instance that it is tendentious and unfair for me to be concerned about making clear who Dan is and who he is not regarding his relationship with the newsroom.
This flap is brought to you courtesy of the Republican Party, who will not stand to see itself criticized by a major media outlet without seeking to take down the one who is doing so. And John Harris bends over and spreads ‘em. Of course, considering Harris’s past as one of the people who hijacked the nation and started speaking in tongues over rumors of penis-shaped ornaments on the Clinton Christmas tree, this is hardly surprising.
I normally wouldn’t suggest this. But any uppity peon who wants to speak back to Massa Harris can do so here.
Says Digby:
Fine. Fuck it. Change the name if it bothers the "real" white house reporters so much. Call it The Whorehouse Report. It amounts to the same thing.
And Brad DeLong:
I look at what Dan Froomkin has done today and I find John Harris’s complaints incomprehensible. Liberal bias? There is a bias, but it is toward the snarky, not the liberal. The quality of the work? As a doorman directing customers to good daily news taxis, Dan Froomkin is superb: http://washingtonpost.com is extremely lucky to have him. Confusion with the print Washington Post’s news operation? John Harris should be so lucky.
I’m there.
Update: Over at E&P, Len Downie removes any doubt about which master the WaPo serves in this matter: "We want to make sure people in the [Bush] administration know that our news coverage by White House reporters is separate from what appears in Froomkin’s column because it contains opinion," Downie told E&P. "And that readers of the Web site understand that, too."



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you’re doing a heckuva job, Downie!
Ok, so farang was incorrect: Seems Froomkin must be one of the Last Mohicans, journalistically speaking, if nitwits like Harris are allowed to spew venom on such a popular columnist.
The infection is DEEP.
I’m thinking surgery with dull blades, while others still cling to wordsmithing.
I hope you are correct.
Mr. Harris, you don’t get it.
When I read what you have to say in regards to Mr. Froomkin and his articles, I am reminded of people who would say such wonderful things as “If man were meant to fly, he would have wings.”, “You can’t sail around the world, you will fall of the edge.” etc etc etc.
Your paper is dead. If not today, soon. And clearly you don’t see that, as you desperately hold on to what little you have left of what you once had. The fact that your paper, a “respected” institution, refuses to fire the likes of Bob Woodward, tells the story (many many other examples). You cannot be trusted. Trust is the cornerstone to the press. Your job is to tell the story of what is happening in our world. If people do not trust you, they will not listen. If they do not listen, you will not have sales. If you do not have sales, you will wither and die. And it is not just the left that is feed up with the machine that tries to fit the people into a nice neat box, it is the right as well.
God Bless The Power Of The Free Market System.
Good riddance to you and your kind. We are quite simply fed up with the BS.
Great job on this story. I’ll make sure to check back here.
The whole ‘respect for the office of the President” thing throws people off.
I have increasing fondness for the title “Former Governot of Texas”
More accurate and less confusing.
ecoast,
Sorry, there is no way Froomkin makes $150,000+ a year. He’d be lucky to pull in $100,000. This is journalism…remember. If I am wrong, hats off to him but I seriously doubt it.
And don’t forget what is happening to Krugman, Dowd, Herbet….they have been locked behind a subscription firewall called Times Select…Their relevance to the national conversation drops day by day…not because the don’t have important things to say, but because they have been effectively silenced!
In the old days it was just two in the back of the head…now corporations do their bidding.
Don’t believe me? Seriously…think how much the wingnuts hate the New York Times for its alleged liberal bias. What better way to castrate it voice?
Dead Last, you are “dead on.” It’s one thing to complain about the MSM, it’s another to dispense with them. I did a couple weeks ago when I fired my daily newspaper for derilection of duty. I hope it becomes a movement.
Ah. Ehrenstein’s read of the entrails is… correct.
Back over at the Harris responses… I REALLY liked this suggestion:
“Perhaps the question that should be addressed is whether the WP should consider adding a second National Politics Editor to balance Mr. Harris?” — Mary
Dan Froomkin is in trouble. Foomkin has been noticed by those in control of approved informaion. Robert Scheer at the Los Angeles Times recently learned that it is not wise to criticize the controllers. They will fire anyone who pretends to demand the old-fashioned version of truth.
In the new corporate world of “fair and balance,” truth, it seems, lies somewhere between what two pre-screened pundits have to say.
Ethics, wisdom, getting the story right are so 20th Century. So Dan should get on the bandwagon and march to victory with the winners…through Baghdad, Tehran, and Pyongyang! And he will be rewarded…or not (there may not be any money left).
So why do YOU, DEAR READER, still pay money (subscribe) to your paper that publishes the three types of corporate news: scare me silly, blah-blah, and happy news?
Corporations only understand the bottom line. Today’s HuffPo says that People, US and other glossy-page turners are on the skids. Why is YOUR local paper still arguing that Sadam was invovled in 9-11? Did you forget to unsubscribe and then tell the subscription department why???
Your work is cut out for you today.
Wow, seriously…the WaPo comments section is still slammed.
I can’t stop reading it…we’ve got some witty mutha f*ckers on our side. There is hope!
Compare them to the comments wingnuts would have left for a liberal (used to be middle road) editor trying to kill Brooks’ column…you support terrorist, why do you hate america, I’ll kill you in your sleep…ad nauseum…
Froomkin economics:
Froomkin is probably in the salary range $150K to $200K. Wapo has
1 million to 1.5 m visitors a day and half of those read Froomkin. If he goes out now and sets up his own website and charges $10 per month, easily he will get at least 100K subscribers. With a $10M per year subscriber fee, his site will be worth a gold mine for any investor
in a couple of years.
Don’t you think Wapo execs know this? He is untouchable, just like Paul Krugman/Bob Herbert are at NYT.
All this griping and sniping from Harris and the wapo reporting staff
(and the repubs) is due to jealousy and their powerlessness.
And the new ombudswoman is a conservative hack too.
The sheet volume and ferocity of the responses at wapo website are a lesson to the wapo execs.
That’s why Wapo.com exec Brady was so strong in his comments
today. He pretty much told wapo print editor Len Downie to take a hike.
Norske: To answer a question you asked of me yesterday and I did not read until 2:00 a.m., as to where in Minnesota I live — I live one hour west of the Twin Cities. Along Hwy. 55 in a nice little town (soon to be a bedroom suburb) called Buffalo. The town is between 3 lakes and used to be a resort town for the rich and wealthy. And still is the center of the reddist political district in the state.
We are represented not only by that slimeball Norm Coleman, but also by Mark Kennedy. Ugh.
new thread
“ohio on the edge of voting to ban recounts in federal elections……..”
egregious | 12.13.05 – 2:31 pm | #
I come here to read about PlameGate mostly, but for more on election stories you should also read the BradBlog
BradBlog.com
where Brad Friedman focuses a lot on election issues.
For example, he’s just broken a story, also in Ohio, where a class action suit has been filed against Diebold, claiming the stockholders were defrauded when the trustworthiness of the electronic voting machines Diebold makes was oversold. In another related story the machines failed a test in Florida and their election chief has said they’ll never use Diebold machines again.
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rwcole:
thanks for the info.
It sure is would be some firestorm if the
President and V.P were named as conspirators.
Would the Republican Congress ignore the
charges to their electoral peril by not bring
articles of impeachment? would Congress
swing Demopcratic in 06?
A lot of unknowns.
Can only pop back in for a second…
Primordial Ooze –
Thanks so much for the reprint! I still can’t figure out what’s wrong with my mouse on the WaPo page; it won’t highlight text. Clearly it worked for you, so it can’t be their own evil selves responsible…
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meta –
Aha – Now I understand your question. No, it’s not illegal to lie through your teeth, I guess. However, it does go to show motive and intent, no?
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Everybody –
You all have the best comments on the web. Even when I can’t post, I always try to catch up with every single one. The fight goes on!!!
Sam– Cheney CAN be indicted- but he can’t be forced to leave office unless he is impeached.
I’m not a lawyer- but the president cannot be indicted while in office (although he can be named as an unindicted co-conspirator).
I have a question for the lawyers commenting
here. If Fitzgerald indicts a whole bunch of
people on conspiracy charges and the
PRESIDENT IS ONE OF THEM—-what is the
real effect——resignation-impeachment?
what about Cheney’s fate?
I do believe there will be conspiracy charges
brought. There seems to be a lot of information Fitz has that we all don’t. I just
hope the good Sheriff who comes to town
to clean out the outlaws really does the job
completely. It is a true American Hero Myth.
Olbermann has a story coming up next on the treatment of our war dea, being sent home in the baggage area of planes. He’s going to have the father of a soldier who was about to be handled by the baggage folks at the airport.
Welcome to the CEO presiduncy. We’re treated with the same cost-cutting contempt corporate America shows for its employees and suckers, I mean customers, while executives make out like bandits with self-serving crony deals.
I’m surprised they haven’t outsourced the death notifications to a call center in India.
BushÂ’s job approval rating languishes under 40%, despite an upturn in the economy and a public relations onslaught defending the role of the U.S. military in rebuilding Iraq, a new telephone poll by Zogby International shows.
Just 38% of Americans said they approve of the job the President is doing, down from 41% in a national Zogby America survey conducted last month.
The survey showed Mr. Bush is most popular in the western United States, where 46% approve of the job he is doing, and the South, where 44% approve. Just 28% in the East and 37% in the Midwest and Great Lakes states give him good marks.
(Zogby)
gotta & rw, yep I saw that Williams piece too about having to put up mattresses under the curtains as a noise buffer against the protesters. The second I saw that it suddenly made sense why Bush is evilly smirking more than normal in all the preview clips they’ve been showing about that interview. I have no plans to watch it but I’m wondering if the audio does get tweaked, as in tweaked right out to nothing.
OT Judy NYT watch, via the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/print…..219fa_fact
“Sulzberger and the paperÂ’s executive editor, Bill Keller, waited outside the prison to greet her, but federal marshals wanted Miller to leave in handcuffs and shackles. Suspecting that photographers were waiting, Miller protested; instead, the marshals put her in the back seat of an S.U.V. with tinted windows.”
“The TimesÂ’ stock price fell 33.2 per cent between December 31, 2004, and October 31, 2005—sixty per cent more than the industry average, according to Merrill Lynch newspaper analysts.”
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WASHINGTON – The Pentagon is in the early stages of drafting a wartime request for up to $100 billion more for Iraq and Afghanistan, lawmakers say, a figure that would push spending related to the wars toward a staggering half-trillion dollars.
(linked at Raw Story)
Marc—Well very little actual news originates on blogs- it’s all propounded by the MSM and then reprinted on blogs. The blogs aren’t about news- they are about analysis and commentary.
gotta- Saw that about the mattresses- and Williams was proud of muffling out the sound of the protest and never mentioning that it was happening.
A journalist would have amplified the sound and forced Clusterfuck to deal with it!
If the name bothers the “real” WaPo, how about changing to PRESIDENTIAL DAILY BRIEFING? It’s a title some (in the White House) may find easier to ignore.
Mom—It’s pretty clear that the Clusterfuck administration is engaging in an all out assault to raise the Approval ratings- part of the assault is to call up editors and threaten em if they aren’t “fair” to Clusterfuck- we’re seeing a major shift among many- the rest of the campaign involves Clusterfuck himself trying to act like a human.
According to Zogby- the whole thing’s fallin flat- approval ratings DOWN 2 points since the last polling to 38%.
Norske,
Glad to see you reviving one of your signature styles — letting everyone know that the fight has just begun and that it’s gonna get ugly. To think for even a second that the Bushies will not fight to the death on their way down is to ignore reality, and to deny the instinct for self-preservation. Is everyone ready for this? Suspension of elections, national emergency, etc. What is the plan when even the pretense of participatory democratic government is gone.
It is so obvious that Mr Harris is doing this because of the WH was pissed.
What he said about not getting a “formal”call, but hearing from Repubs
unofficially is soooo revealing.
Shorter: My friends at the Christmas Parties told me to gag Froomkin or loose access.
Would it come as a great shock to anyone that John F. Harris’s opinions about the Plame investigation match up very well with GOP talking points?
Well worth reading Swopa’s link above.
Prof
Thanks, Swopa.
Perhaps it’s time for Harris to move on. Not because he’s critical of liberal views or of someone we like, but because he is clearly not competent to be a detached and unbiased editor of a major daily newspaper.
Mr. Harris should have remembered the words of Mark Twain –
‘better to be quiet & thought a fool,
than to open your mouth & remove all doubt.’
Anyone who heard Hiatt and Downie on their book tour few years back is not going to be surprised.
Would it come as a great shock to anyone that John F. Harris’s opinions about the Plame investigation match up very well with GOP talking points?
Gentleman Jim,
I don’t think so, advertising revenue is still too important to existence of the paper form of the media…I think the response is gunna be thru legislation to obstensively “regulate” internet political blogs. We have already seen a couple of half-assed attempts this last year through the FCC and the FEC and the attacks have come from Dems as well as the nazis.
No, I think that we have reached a critical mass between deteriorating institutions and new technology that threatens the entire fabric of our political economy. We are going to see a suspension of elections and declaration of national emergency giving rise to disbanding of congress if the efforts to institutionalize Diebold and non-constitutional redistricting fail.
Olbermann has a story coming up next on the treatment of our war dea, being sent home in the baggage area of planes. He’s going to have the father of a soldier who was about to be handled by the baggage folks at the airport. If this is a story that has grabbed you, flip on MSNBC. Keith sounded po’d. Should be a good one.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpo…..hdA–
I think I heard Brian Williams correctly tonight during his interview-bit with Bush in PA today —- Williams said the protesters (anti-war) were so loud that the MSNBC crew had to place mattresses against the windows, covered by drapes to drown out the noise during his talk with Bush — even with that protestors could still be heard.
Seems like a good sign… wish there had been more about it.
Mrs. K8
Thanks for answering my question on a previous thread. I was thinking more along the lines of Karlio and obstruction rather than Scottie McLiar and obstruction. I was just wondering if you lie you ass off to everyone and not just attorneys, if that counts as some kind of obstruction. I guess it’s just plain old lying!
Really love the expression of your indignation!
I’ve been poking around Fitz’s site to see if there are any intuitively named pdf’s sitting there in the documents directory waiting for links. No such luck. Shoulda known. I was really hoping to find:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/…..122005.pdf
But no dice….
“There is room under the big tent folks. The MSM and blogs can complement each other. Digby understands the need for a strong MSM. If FDL was a WaPo blog, it would be considered Opinion, with a HUGE following.
bush’s jaw | 12.13.05 – 4:13 pm | #”
I agree 100%.
You know, I read many of the posts in response to Froomkins column I was so impressed by all the eloquent and intelligent responses. I however, found myself shamefully giving into my into my baser instincts.
My Posts
I have one….no, no… two words to say to Ms. Howell and Mr Harris…
“Tar and Feathers!”
I’m laughing my ass off! You GO Mrs. K8! This is the best [RANT ON] we’ve had in a few days. Like someone said yesterday (EPU maybe) I’m about ready to cough up a lung, I’m holding my sides.
I’m going to paraphrase Bush and the Constitution…
“The WaPo? It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
where’s Fitz? I thought he might be in disguise as the Elvis in the Elvis Pumps–but it’s not….
d0n camillo | 12.13.05 – 4:25 pm | #
That was funny.
I agree with MarcLord, we are witnessing a change, nay, a revolution in how journalism is done in this country. The “big” media outlets will still have a role to play but it will be much diminished in the near future as blogs drive the discussion.
“As subscriptions dry up in the MSM (and they are), share prices drop, money will move to better sources, and behavior changes.”
Exactly. Economics does drive everything. And although I’ve never paid to join a website, I would gladly fork over my hard-earned cash to be a member of Firedoglake.
But Jane, Redd, please don’t make us pay!
First Robert Scheer gone from the LA Times, next Froomkin from WaPo. Who will replace him?
If Froomkin from the internet arm of WaPo is being attacked, can the attack on blogs be far behind?
NorskeFlamethrower
The agree with your point on the MSM editors being at the core of the rotten media apple.
However, I think it’s one notch deeper.
If everyone stopped buying the WaPo tomorrow, and I mean every single bloody copy of the rag, they would still print it and distribute to the street, At A Loss, because it really is our Pravda. It must be seen on the street, literally for the propanganda effect to work.
They would continue printing and disturbuting it even if the real advertisers pulled out. They would hire shills to buy copies like they do for right wingnut books on the NYT best seller list.
They would place fake ‘bought’ advertising in place of the real advertising if push came to shove. Just look at Iraq media and Armstrong Williams here.
They would put out a Potemkin WaPo if neccessary and subsidize the financial loss with a slush fund, pure and simple.
.
Can we ship Harris off to the Northern Front in the Great Xmas War?
Somehow, I doubt Rove had anything to do with the attack on Froomkin. I’d bet he’s occupied with more serious matters at the moment.
If had to guess, I would say this was WH retaliation for an article that Froomkin wrote recently about a certain interview on CNN. The Trust is Gone caption was spread all over the ‘net. Funny how that works. It doesn’t take a master’s degree in journalism to figure out how to do it.
OT
“CIA prisoners in Europe were apparently abducted and moved between countries illegally, possibly with the aid of national secret services who did not tell their governments, according to the first official report on the so-called “renditions” scandal. Dick Marty, a Swiss senator investigating allegations of secret CIA prisons for the Council of Europe, said that he did not think the US was still holding prisoners in Europe, but had probably moved them to north Africa last month.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/fron…..25,00.html
Oooohhhhh, aren’t WE in a widl mood this afternoon???
ccmask, that was me who suggested the name change to the White House Post- thought they might as well, and Harris has proved me right. What a dunce, to just go ahead and say it…well, he actually was saying it last night, he just didn’t know it, did he? Haven’t been over there today, it takes 2 hours just to get caught up here.
Redd, thank you for the post on Katrina, very grateful. We were just talking, my child and I, about how to do our Christmas Charity Santa Claus this year. We have left presents late at night outside the door of local children we know who won’t have much, and delivered balloons to nursing homes. Now I have our answer, but he mentioned doing something for NOLA. Good Kid.
Miss Fiona is a beauty, our little mascot, along with Kobe, Jake, Whiskers and Zoe as blog pets. Is that a little red hair I see? Explains the nap situation.
And now PoolBoy is gonna get the naughty chair, goody. What a dope, WH reporter or smarmy gossip? you decide.
WELCOME HOME BOBBY G. I was looking around for you yesterday, forgot you and the lovely one were off celebrating.
I’m pissed. Where’s Fitz??
z
No announcement of a press conference tomorrow by Fitz– is that a sign?
If the WaPo follows this course, the Bush administration will surely end up constituting a “large share” of their readership.
NorskeFlamethrower–shit outta luck. I could not say it as well. I love you….
mmouse, yes, the Washinton Post Corporation owns many other subsidiaries besides Kaplan and they’re planning on getting into more media-based properties.
Hey, maybe a buy-out of Crooks and Liars is in the offing (funny right now, but in 2 years it won’t be so outlandish a thought).
Let me highlight the good news again. Not only will Dan Froomkin’s column not get a name change, the Exec Editor of washingtonpost.com stated explicitly:
“The column is extremely popular and it is not going anywhere.”
He is of course, lying. The column is going right down the shitter, and Froomkin along with it. His search for a new place of employment begins today.
And he should watch his back because these people will stop at nothing.
I’m not kidding.
Mrs. K8, here’s the whole thing for your records:
Everyone else said it here, eloquently.
I’ll just add this:
Surely you are aware of all the writings of Thomas Jefferson about the absolutely essential role of a vigorous, challenging press to the life of a democratic republic. Without such a press to challenge those in the seats of power, a democratic republic cannot long survive. Jefferson and other founders deeply feared a citizenry captive to any sort of automatic “reverence” toward the Executive.
You cannot be unaware of the administration’s championing of what is often called an “imperial presidency,” an extremely powerful executive branch with virtually no checks or balances to interfere with its will. Why did we have an American Revolution, if we are to end up with another King George?
You are helping to kill a once-vibrant democracy. You are a handmaiden to an administration which has repeatedly and consistently shown contempt for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. This makes you an enabler of the dismantling of all that’s been good in this nation’s history.
Are you proud now?
Posted by: Mrs. K8 | Dec 13, 2005 4:49:58 AM
…and I must say, nicely done!
mmouse,
Thanx for your post and sharing your exerience. I think that the point you make is very important and goes to the heart of how the fascist machine is able to control the institutions of communication in this country. They don’t need to own any reporters they just need to buy the line editors (producters in the case of TV). The editors/producers hire and promote whores and the rest of the staff is SOL (shit outta luck).
That’s where the money is goin…to the editors and producers. Of course the corporate hierarchy doesn’t hafta get its hands dirty (or spend any money), they sit back and light a cigar as long as their ratings/advertising numbers are ok.
I think what we’re seeing in the WaPost (and the NYT)is a deep fissure in the working staffs between the Editors and their chosen streetwalkers and the workin writers who can’t get a look unless they give up the booty.
The only thing that gives me any hope is the fact that the corruption of the establishment media is so obvious to the growing audience of the new media and that old media like the NYT and WaPost realize they hafta have a presence on the web if they are gunna survive.
mmouse | 12.13.05 – 4:32 pm
(Kaplan) whatever it is, it is not higher education….
You are absolutely right on that. It is a way for kids of the rich to learn to pretend to be smarter than they are– money buys access to work the system.
There is only one behavior that is acceptable when dealing with this scum– Boycott the publishing source. If it is wapo, so be it. A total removal of support will definitely work. But i will bet anybody that it won’t happen. Not a chance!
prof
Political Editor Harris did not provide any examples of reader confusion, but Executive Editor Downie’s statement above shows that the “large share of readers” to whom he refers apparently have their desks at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
And it’s not like we didn’t know these people were confused…..duh!
With all the discussion about torture policy in the Land of the Brave and the Home of the Free, I’d like to wonder out loud about the results we would witness if we ‘waterboarded’ Woodward, the Novaks, Andrea Mitchell, Tim Russert et al.
Yes, they would scream like stuck little pigs but would they finally be honest?
I seriously doubt it, I’m that cynical at this point after witnessing the jaw dropping stupidity of the MSM these last few ‘Days of Thunder’. It’s like they all got hold of some bad acid.
I don’t think any of them even knows what the ‘truth’ is anymore in the context of the current times. They are that deluded with their own special toxic culture of DC hubris.
Honestly, I think the whole lot of MSM media whores would actually have to fabricate a twisted little vision of the ‘truth’ on the fly if they were really tortured a la Gitmo/Abu Ghraib. They don’t have anything else in their kit bags kids.
They are incapable of even Recognizing the Truth anymore, even if it kneed them in the groin, even if theirs worthless little ‘professional’ lives depended on it.
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MarcLord–recently (on NPR?) someone said that WashPo was doing ok because the company had diversified. Yeah, they have–into for-profit educational institutions (Kaplan Education? I think they call it)–and somebody might want to look into that as well….whatever it is, it is not higher education….
re small plane “accidents”
“kind of related: stephen gaghan, writer/director of syriana was on charlie rose last week and hinted at the dark doings he was told while researching the movie. he commented that he will never again fly in a small aircraft, after hearing too many stories of the easy disposal of troublemakers” bkny | 12.12.05 – 2:27 pm | #
former CEO of Diebold: died in a plane crash
sen. wellstone
gov. carnahan (against ashcroft)
rep. boggs
rep. begich
secretary ron brown
rep. jerry litton
sen. heinz
sen. tower
rep. leland
all died in “accidental” plane crashes. 2006 = ?
who’s next?
dem or mod repubs?
Okay, here’s another title suggestion. Not a Co-Opted White House Post Presser
Oh come on guys! Let’s cut poor Mr. Harris some slack. Why don’t you try thinking for yourself with Karl Rove’s arm up your ass and see how well you perform?
Er, that should read Digital Millenium Copyright (not write) Act above.
Mr. Harris:
Remember that house payment that we had that nice Mr. Tan from Mariana make for you?
If a news source is owned by a publicly traded corporation, chances are you shouldn’t be reading it. You should cancel your subscriptions to MSM outlets; investigative journalism has been done for the past 5 years in The New Yorker and Harper’s and not coincidentally, both are private and/or well-endowed in every sense of the term.
Publicly traded corporations, on the other hand, constantly engage in compensatory behavior, and, given how they’re built, they don’t have a choice. They have large shareholders who indirectly (and sometimes directly) control content. All that has to happen is for a CEO to get a call from one big investor or institution expressing displeasure about a journalistic choice, and it will get watered down or redirected. If a group of institutions express displeasure and sell some shares, the CEO will ask what he can immediately do to make them stop, and it rolls downhill from there. It’s that simple.
That’s why we’ve been seeing so Much WaPoo About Nothing. Publicly traded, money changers in the temple. Not to mention they’re as much as censored by their political sources and are infiltrated by intelligence assets. While I enjoy Jane’s and Redd’s case-raking, muck-cleaning skills immensely, expecting journalistic professionalism out of the WaPo, much less ethical behavior, is way late at this point. The ownership dynamic is fundamentally against speaking truth to power, and even a good reporter with good ethics has to work in the system if they want to, say, get a story published.
I refuse to read propaganda, and no longer subscribe to its outlets. I strongly suggest that everyone who comes here regularly do the same. The future is in news blogs, because they’re privately owned; you’re at one of the very best right now, and every word written here is protected under the Digital Millenium copywrite act. As subscriptions dry up in the MSM (and they are), share prices drop, money will move to better sources, and behavior changes.
Jane or Redd, tell me where to send you my $99.99 FDL yearly subscription check, and you’ve got it.
Sorry Duckman…I should have said ON HARDBALL….
I agree with you..YUCK!
Only the folks at The Onion are winners in this goat rope.
Whew, found it!
You are helping to kill a once-vibrant democracy. You are a handmaiden to an administration which has repeatedly and consistently shown contempt for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. This makes you an enabler of the dismantling of all that’s been good in this nation’s history.
RAHR!! Go get em, Mrs. K8!!
T-Rex –
I tried to copy it to save it as a text file, but something’s not working right. I can’t get my mouse to highlight any more than the first line. Don’t know if it’s something wrong with my mouse, my computer, or if the evil WaPo has some built-in trick.
If somebody else can get it and bring it back here, I’d be grateful. Just wanna save it as a memento since it came straight from the heart.
Suggested title for “conservative balance blog:” The Execrable Ombudsman.
OT…but tweety just said to heffa Hughes and I quote” I AM SO IMPRESSED WITH THE WAY THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN EXPLAINING WHO THE INSURGENTS ARE”…Is he kidding???
PattyLou,
That is a very disturbing picture you suggest, and I don’t appreciate it inside my head.
Thanks, thanks a lot, no sleep for me tonight!
Duckman –
Sorry all, I’m a bit disturbed by all this.
No need to apologize. So are we all here, eh?
Virtual hugs to you and anyone else who needs it — our outrage meters constantly need recalibration and that affects the blood pressure. And it’s gonna be a long haul…
Meanwhile, I have to take my fury and use it to go clean the kitchen and laundry room. They should be sparkling when I’m done from the high octane I’m running on…
See y’all later.
Bobby G:
Hello, and thanks for the link to Harris. I wasn’t going to bother to post a comment there, but I finally broke down.
“Mr. Harris, thank you for making your agenda and your bias so exceedingly clear. Your words are very helpful in understanding why so many people make derisive comments about people in the media, calling them whores, and such. Now I understand where they are coming from.”
Felt good, that.
Not so much shorter Len Downie: “Unfortunately the current Administration is too stupid to differentiate between news and opinion. Please speak more slowly.”
Would someone be so kind as to reprint Mrs. K8’s post from the Harris comments? I can’t find it in all the confusion.
*First of all, let me say that I donÂ’t like the fact that my readers are using me as cudgel to smack around The PostÂ’s political staff*
There is room under the big tent folks. The MSM and blogs can complement each other. Digby understands the need for a strong MSM.
If FDL was a WaPo blog, it would be considered Opinion, with a HUGE following.
OT but that heffa karen Hughes is on tweety spinning like a top!
What’s wrong here is the notion that opposing the White House makes one a ‘liberal.’ If they had any integrity, conservatives would oppose this administration as well. Bush/Cheney consistently violate every significant principle of conservatism, and nobody calls them on it. I think this is a huge deal– our pundits have allowed BushCo to camoflauge a reactionary, rightwing agenda as ‘conservatism.’ I grew up in a little town in the midwest in the 50’s and 60’s and here’s what I thought the word conservatism meant:
* fiscal prudence
*cautious and sensible foreign policy
*keeping government out of our private lives
*wise stewardship of the resource base
IMHO, genuine conservatives have even more reason to despise the Bushniks than liberals do….
It is getting deliciously ugly over at the comments….The non -computer working stiffs are home from a hard day, and are pissed…someone told Harris he had Roves Jizz all over his face…YUCK!!!!
My take:
Look, it is obvious this administration is shelling out the propaganda contracts like they are cigarette samples at a Nascar event.
Why wouldn’t the Washington Post want to curry favor with an administration that is the biggest sugar daddy ever to come down the pike.
(Edited for brevity at the behest of the Whitehouse and the RNC)
-GSD
Gotta go and play some poker tonight. Good night FDL and good luck.
I haven’t had so much fun hitting “refresh” in WEEKS. Thanks a TON, Jane – I’ll be up all night (and probably wetting myself from laughing).
Seems to me that the solution is for somebody/bodies to buy the goddamned paper, fire harris and downie et al, and set up shop as a god damned fucking newspaper.
Oh, and woodie? He’s not just fired, but all the property rights, intellectual or otherwise, gets pulled back. He’s working on the Posts dime, it’s the Post’s work. (And I know, he’s got agreements to protect his book deals no doubt, but no more free use of the copiers and such!)
Al Gore’s got a new network I hear, but instead of re-inventing the wheel, why not buy the damn thing?
K8, I’m with y ou, Sister! I’m pissed. And the more these fuckers talk, the more pissed I get. “We want to make sure the White House isn’t offended.”
That’s your job, you farkin troll, to offend people, make them see they’re crapping their pants and it’s running down their legs and all over the carpet.
Sorry all, I’m a bit disturbed by all this.
It’s taking them a lot longer than usual to put up text and/or video from the White House press briefing today. Did something interesting happen?
damn, the comments section at the WaPo is averaging about 5-10 comments a minute. And I have yet to see even one GOP troll defending Harris.
After reading more of the posts at harris’s page, I was thinking that Olbermann would do a great report about what people are saying there…We should all email him to get on it, he would be a stitch with the commentary!
Recently, there was an article which talked about the corruption in D.C. and in going over names, a Democrat’s name was put in despite having quit before the era the article was talking about.
Josh Marshall talks about it here.
Wonder if Harris was the one who changed it… but hmm Cillizza works for the Post.com, not the paper Post huh?
OK, so the idea is that they might put up some sort of “conservative” (barf! where’s the truth-in-advertising?) “version” of Froomkin?
Hah! If they try it, it will be a royal flop. And the saccharine, cloying stench will be nauseating, noticeable a mile away.
[It reminds me, analogously, of the attempts during the reign of the Axis Powers to create a fascist “art.” No can do. Sucks by definition.]
Froomkin at PressThink- Jay: First of all, let me say that I donÂ’t like the fact that my readers are using me as cudgel to smack around The PostÂ’s political staff. I think The PostÂ’s political coverage is the best in the business.
My response there: Saying that the Post’s political coverage is the best in the business is not exactly high praise, to my mind. The MSM “political coverage” is woeful at best.
Kept the comment short and polite. But, as I’ve said before, Howell and Harris haved backed bare-assed into a hornet’s nest. (disclaimer: yesterday I left a comment of support for Dan Froomkin at http://blogs.washingtonpost.co…..e_bri.html )
Dan Froomkin is the only one with the balls to say what needs to be said. These fucking cowards that currently represent our ‘media’ are nothing but shills slobbing the knobs of the likes of filth like Rove, Hadley and Rice et al.
Fucking losers. Katie Couric, and the rest of those hacks at the supposed “today show” are textbook examples of state controlled TV.
Cowards like Couric, Lauer and Tweety are what have enabled Bush and his merry band of thugs to fuck our country into the ground without a kiss.
Let me highlight the good news again. Not only will Dan Froomkin’s column not get a name change, the Exec Editor of washingtonpost.com stated explicitly:
“The column is extremely popular and it is not going anywhere.”
Hurrah!!!
Hear that, Jonah Goldberg? You’re going to have to hock your X-Box after all. Froomkin’s job is secure.
re harris taking sides w/the conservative ruffino’s declaration that froomkin is a hack — ruffino offers up these headlines as the incriminating evidence:
“A selection of headlines from FroomkinÂ’s last few weeks paints the picture:
BushÂ’s Two Minds (March 28)
BushÂ’s Approval Takes a Tumble (March 25)
What Trumps What in the White House? (March 24)
BushÂ’s Roadshow May Be Losing Its Magic (March 23)
For Bush, High Drama and Mixed Reviews (March 22)
Fake News Gets White House OK (March 15)
HughesÂ’s Return is a Blow for Rove (March 11)
Bush vs. the Governors (March 1)
Far be it for me, a fiercely partisan blogger, to decry partisanship in online media. “
forgot to mention–when I wrote about Froomkin (I maybe hit the wrong button) I did get a response from Michael Golden, Director of Customer Relationships (right, customer relationships) thanking me for helping them to make a better Web site. I don’t understand–I begged them to keep Froomkin but it sounds like they might not, it sounds like they’re ginning up a much worse Web site…
“Wow, you mean to tell me there’s a newspaper called the Washington Post that has some association with washingtonpost.com? Who knew?”
Thanks NTodd. LMAO
A question for John Harris. A few years ago, when I lived in DC, I saw you riding a bike on one of the bike paths. My question is: Do you still have that fat ass?
Thanks, PattyLou!
I don’t believe for a minute that the White House isn’t involved in the complaints about Froomkin.
ccmask –
LOL!!!
Tell you what:
You refrain from gleefully destroying our beloved Constitution and the institutions which have made for the very best this nation has ever stood for, keep away from being a social Darwinist hypocritical “moral values” thug, make sure you never work overtime to stuff your pockets with loot stolen from taxpayers in general and the poor in specific, and I promise never to get in your face.
How’s that?
;-)
It may have been too early to conclude that Washingtonpost.com Exec. Editor Brady is solidly defending Froomkin’s column. In a Q&A session at PressThink with Jay Rosen, Brady made this reply:
Q: Howell says Brady is “considering changing the column title and supplementing it with a conservative blogger.” What do you want the title to reflect that it is not refecting now?
Jim Brady: We have not really discussed the name in any depth, either internally or with the paper. As I said before, I’m willing to have a discussion about it with the newspaper. But I don’t know where we’ll come out. The issue is not what the title doesn’t reflect, it’s more the confusion that’s caused by use of the words “White House.” But it’s too early to tell where we’ll come out.
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubz…..ressthink/
Just thinking…..this sounds pretty wild, but if this keeps up, anyone think we have a chance on becoming a democracy?
Someone else just called for a paper name change to the Charmin Post.
My post was this:
Harris & Howell: White House Lockstepn’ Doughboys! Cookie Cutter Crumb Buns!
Froomkin, you’re too good for this batch of cookies!
Words Up!
Note to self- do not piss off k-8
A Cat 5 shitstorm of John Harris derision continues to ensue at http://blogs.washingtonpost.co…..l#comments
LOL!
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MrsK8 your post was GREAT!
ccmask –
Hooo Boy, I had real fire in the belly when I wrote that. Still do. While I refrained from profanity, I’m not one to mince words.
Destroying a vibrant democratic republic. That’s what they’re up to. Nothing less.
ROFL Lobstergirl. This Froomkin fiasco was the topic last evening as I was leaving the house, I’ve been so busy catching up today I haven’t been able to go read the comments there yet, this should be fun, I’ll probably have to come up for air several times it sounds like.
I’m wondering, is the title of his column HIS intellectual property or does the Post technically have the rights to it? I wonder how much they pay him to abuse him and do yet another WH orchestrated and timely character assassination? Froomkin should get his own website and tell them to fuck off, if he can. Geezzzz
I admit I am powerless over Firedoglake. I’m one of those ’special posters’ over at Kos, but I always stop here first.
Can you help me give up ciggies, too?
Sue | 12.13.05 – 2:47 pm | #
LMAO Sue. I never thought a blog could come before Kos until now. I love this place and the posters.
the MSM–especially in Washington–may be awash in reporters run amuck, but my experience in newsrooms is that there’s often an editor demanding certain coverage from reporters–even if reporters have strong reason for disagreement. Now I wasn’t dealing with matters of national policy and security, but I did refuse to interview an 11-year-old who had been in a house explosion where a number of his relatives had died. I checked with a source on this–a psychologist at the VA Hospital who works with PTSD stuff–and he said, and I’m glad to quote him, “Tell your editor to go fuck himself.” So I did. The reporters aren’t always driving the bus…
You all have me rolling on the floor with the comments!
There was a “how many layers of lipstick do we need to put on the pig” comment that got my vote.
It is infuriating a) that Harris didn’t answer any of the direct questions asked; b) did not acknowledge what a bad job of reporting has been done re: the Administration; and c) had the nerve to, when trying to justify his position, link to a blogger’s Column titled “Dan Froomkin, Second-Rate Hack” and say he can see the argument.
Froomkin comes out swinging, even against his supporters, about what good reporters WaPo really has — while Harris links to a blog on Froomking being a second rate hack? WOW. Just wow. The fact that Harris, who seems to want to stay happily unaware of the blogosphere, is so aware of the site for someone who helped run the 2004 Bush/Cheney campaign, says a lot in and of itself.
How disingenous was this?
“I donÂ’t keep a running log, but I regularly run across people who think Dan is one of our White House reporters. One of them was a very news-saavy source of mine who actually runs campaigns.”
Wonder what kind of campaigns? And if Harris, with his journalist hat on, bothered to dig into whether or not the “news savvy source” truly did not comprehend that Froomkin was not one of the WaPo reporters or simply was miffed that he pointed out gross inconsistencies?
Is it just me that thinks, perhaps, if Harris is relying on sources with these kinds of comprehension capabilities as his “news savvy” go to guys, this might help explain a lot?
Oh, alright, someone has to play the devil’s advocate–if only to kick the tires–so here we go: on the subject of Froomkin, the WaPo’s getting unshirted hell from “readers” of the Bush persuasion, and so Harris (feels that he) has to do three things at once (which may also happen to come from the heart, but that’s beside the point): first, he has to assure those angry folks that he’s a “reasonable man”; second, he has to show that he’s still in charge of the newsroom; and third, he has to show that he has no direct control over Froomkin–that Harris can’t fire Froomkin (that Froomkin doesn’t belong to his club).
Because if Froomkin ends up being fired, Harris wouldn’t want to be held responsible. Not by Froomkin’s supporters, anyway.
He’s afraid–and he’s afraid of everyone. But then it’s a weak environment, where only the loners can keep their health.
I should add that this particular “culture” was fostered and cultivated by the not-so-very-healthy Katherine Graham. It certainly didn’t start with these guys, and it certainly wasn’t so weak in the mid-to-late sixties. But that’s the topic for another thread….
Ya think maybe Moon bought controlling interest in the WP?
Why doesn’t the WP just go ahead and hire Pruden and give the country over to the cult that’s working so hard to drive us right and theocratic? You know, the cult that has financed and guided, the religious right’s rise to power? The one lead by the right’s savior, deliverer. The one who lead, selected and guided, molded his brand of conservatism and lead them out of the 40 year liberal wilderness?
I mean is anyone really surprised by what is happening to our nation? The man BRAGS about using the Washington Times to “influence” us. The right is scared to death that U.S. Citizen George Soros is going to “buy the democratic party.” Soros spent what? 20 million one election cycle? He’s a tightwad compared to the BILLIONS the right’s savior has spent turning our nation into theofascist land.
But no one will talk about it. Not the left, right or anyone.
Truly crazy.
There is a reason this is happening to our nation and it is NOT the product of the free market of ideas nor any democratic process. Moon paid for it, guided it and we are being drug along by the soul selling chumps on the right who have worked with and honored him ever since he opened his pocketbook of cash which he swindled from the Japanese.
This is really pitiful. But what is even more pitiful is no one will look at the root cause and talk about it.
I read your response over there Mrs.k8…you go girl!
Harris said “The first issue is whether many readers believe Dan’s column is written by one of the Washington Post’s three White House reporters. It seems to me–based on many, many examples–beyond any doubt that a large share of readers do believe that.”
one of the respones over at the WaPo blog was this:
“Are any of these readers named “Lazlo Toth”?”
bbbwwwaaaaaaa!
These people (note VandeHei’s presence here) are so egregiously disingenuous.
Oh, they’re just SO concerned the people might think it’s reporting and not opinion.
I suppose the fact that you have to navigate to the OPINION section of the site in order to get to Froomkin just is not enough.
Fuckers. Disingenuous fuckers. And we’re supposed to not notice that if they’re really telling the truth about their motives in criticizing Froomkin, it means they don’t know how to EFFIN’ READ!!! Or they at least believe WE don’t know how to read.
Man, I am so steamed. What goes around, comes around, and I can’t wait for it to come around and sock these weasels in the kisser.
Best comment on the WPo John Harris blog:
“Hey Harris: You’re doing a heckuva job.”
Things were much easier for John and friends when I was leaking details of Clinton’s sex life to them…
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Thanks for reposting that link Mrs. K8.
From it:
[..] Both Harris and Downie said they have presented their concerns about the name of Froomkin’s column to Brady, but will leave the decision up to him about whether it should be changed. “They will sort it out.”
[..] Downie, who meets with Brady every Thursday, said he has discussed the Froomkin column with him, but no changes had been planned. “They decide what the column ought to be called,” he said of the Web editors. “We have discussed it and they will decide what to do. It is their decision, not mine.”
So they meet every Thursday huh? Blog swarmers… to your keyborgs! ;)
Does anybody have Downie’s email?
I just re-read the article I linked to — got so excited about the good news in it, I skimmed the other stuff — and Downie is oh-so-concerned about the line between reporting and opinion.
Really? I want to email him to ask him why he doesn’t sit on Milbank’s new piece of junk, something more confusingly laid out than Froomkin’s column. And I want to ask him why readers — who know how to read! — would somehow miss 4 separate references in the online site to the fact that Froomkin’s column is called “opinion.”
Pinhead. (But he’s stupid like a fox.)
Well the whornalists haveta defend their pimp. There’s no pimpin’ like white house pimpin.
Editor and Publisher has the goods on the imbroglio at the WaPo on Dan Froomkin’s column. It is revealed that the White House is the source of the complaints against Froomkin’s “White House Briefing” column. E&P’s Joe Strupp quotes Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr.:
“We want to make sure people in the [Bush] administration know that our news coverage by White House reporters is separate from what appears in Froomkin’s column because it contains opinion,” Downie told E&P. “And that readers of the Web site understand that, too.”
Downie’s revelation flatly contradicts the statements of his National Political Editor, John Harris, who wrote at http://blogs.washingtonpost.co…..s_res.html :
“The first issue is whether many readers believe Dan’s column is written by one of the Washington Post’s three White House reporters. It seems to me–based on many, many examples–beyond any doubt that a large share of readers do believe that.”
Political Editor Harris did not provide any examples of reader confusion, but Executive Editor Downie’s statement above shows that the “large share of readers” to whom he refers apparently have their desks at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Although Harris had written further yesterday: “People in the newsroom want to end this confusion,” it appears that the the people in the newsroom are, by Downie’s admissions, “people in the [Bush] administration.”
This, of course, raises serious concerns about the integrity of Political Editor Harris, who failed to report that the Bush Administration was source of pressures and instead attributed them to unnamed “readers.” Thus anonymous sourcing has moved beyond mis-attributing White House remarks to “former Hill staffers” and now encompasses the entire universe of readers.
1,100 comments have been posted on the Washingtonpost.com website at http://blogs.washingtonpost.co…..g/2005/12/ discussing the threat from Editor John Harris. The pushback of those comments is likely responsible for the backbone displayed today by Froomkin’s actual boss:
Washingtonpost.com Executive Editor Jim Brady said he does not plan to change the name, claiming it has not caused the misinterpretations that some believe it has. “The column has been on the site for two years and that is not something we have heard,” Brady said about concerns. “The column is extremely popular and it is not going anywhere.”
Wow, you mean to tell me there’s a newspaper called the Washington Post that has some association with washingtonpost.com? Who knew?
If any of y’all don’t think that the letter-writing we do doesn’t matter, this is proof that it does. Thanks, Jane, for the tip on this one. Harris notices now that he can’t walk over a supine public like he once did. Pushback counts for so much. So much.
And no, Blub, I’m from Joisey.
So when are we going to do something SERIOUS about this mess?
We don’t have any idea how much money our own government is using against us to manipulate us through the press (see Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher et al and the unaudited amount of money expended at this administration’s directive on “PR” and “marketing promotion”).
We don’t have any idea how much of DoD contracts to companies like Rendon and Lincoln Groups and others are also being directed at us in the US. Much of these two firms’ work was aimed at shaping opinions via the internet, remember? How do they limit or control the spread of propaganda on the internet??
We don’t know how badly corporate- and privately-owned media has been infiltrated by opposition members intent on reshaping news (although ownership has very much consolidated into conservative hands).
Even the feeds — AP, Reuters, UPI — can be too easily manipulated. They in turn disseminate so-called news to other major outlets like CNN.
When are we going to stop consuming any of this toxic crap they are poisoning us with and set up our own independent media? There already are vehicles in place, just need a critical mass of folks to throw behind them and walk the walk.
Editor and Publisher has this quote from Editor Downie: “We want to make sure people in the [Bush] administration know that our news coverage by White House reporters is separate from what appears in Froomkin’s column because it contains opinion,” Downie told E&P. “And that readers of the Web site understand that, too.”
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Okay, so the exec editor is saying that it’s what the Bush administration thinks that’s important. Notice that “readers” are just an afterthought there. So– maybe the ombudsman should find out whether it was reader complaints or WHITE HOUSE complaints that started this imbroglio.
Now Harris is saying that it wasn’t really readers or reporters but “Republicans” who complained.
What is so weird is that they don’t even notice how deep this hole they’re digging is– how every time they speak, they’re saying, “Well, the last thing I said wasn’t really true.” And they actually end up with the truth– “Some Republican/White House staffer complained, and we hopped to it.”
Let me highlight the good news again. Not only will Dan Froomkin’s column not get a name change, the Exec Editor of washingtonpost.com stated explicitly:
“The column is extremely popular and it is not going anywhere.”
and from len downie at e&p:
“We want to make sure people in the [Bush] administration know that our news coverage by White House reporters is separate from what appears in Froomkin’s column because it contains opinion,” Downie told E&P. “And that readers of the Web site understand that, too.”
change the name of the paper to “The White House Post”. A great suggestion.
ccmask
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LOL! Hmmm…I may have to pull down the WaPo logo and redo it in PhotoPaint.
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Why not call the column
“Outside the Bubble”
Can I use Harris’ ass, too?
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tendentious, my how precious.
Well, if Dan has to change the name, I say go with White House Wedgie.
What a coincidence! I just posted this below:
Froomkin column update:
http://www.editorandpublisher……1001659333
“Washingtonpost.com Executive Editor Jim Brady said he does not plan to change the name, claiming it has not caused the misinterpretations that some believe it has. “The column has been on the site for two years and that is not something we have heard,” Brady said about concerns. “The column is extremely popular and it is not going anywhere.”
Take that, John Harris!
Oh, somebody asked earlier today if any of us who responded directly to WaPo about the Froomkin nonsense received a return email:
Not me, I got nothing. And I wrote both at John Harris’ laughable “blog” post, and in a personal email to the execrable “ombudsman.” [Since she’s not representing the readers, I put her title in quotes.]
I doubt I’ll get an email from Harris — not after I asked him if he was proud of helping (via the destruction of decent journalism) to dismantle the institutions of a vibrant democratic republic.
Mrs. K8 | 12.13.05 – 2:41 pm | #
I thought this was funny (trancript of chat via Editor and Publisher):
On Tuesday, during an online chat with readers, Baker received numerous questions about the Froomkin matter. Among the angriest was the reader who said, “I was wondering if you are one of the insecure, jealous, Washington Post reporters who feel threatened by Dan Froomkin’s White House Briefing. Sir, would you please comment on getting a life, doing your job relentlessly and not being so afraid anymore?”
Baker’s retort: “Insecure? Jealous? Need a life? All of the above. Threatened by Dan Froomkin’s column? Hardly. Dan compiles links to other people’s work and throws in some thought, analysis and opinion of his own. There’s great value in that. But it’s a different thing from being a White House reporter.”
My read on Baker: I’m a White House reporter, why the hell would I consider other people’s work (i.e. put the bullshit I am fed into wider social and political context), and why the hell would I actually use thought, analysis, or opinion; all that work fact checking and doing research in the hopes that I might ask a real question might make me late for the post briefing Happy Hour.
They don’t even pretend anymore.
Someone suggested that instead, the ombudsman should change the name of the paper to “The White House Post”. A great suggestion.
I guess the best way for Froomkin to improve his standing at the WaPo is to start refering to Scooter Libby as Stephen Hadley.
Jane,
Nicely done.
ohio on the edge of voting to ban recounts in federal elections……..
egregious | 12.13.05 – 2:31 pm | #
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As Jon Stewart would say “Whaaaaaaaaaaa?”
I don’t get it. And isn’t that unconsitutional?
I admit I am powerless over Firedoglake. I’m one of those ’special posters’ over at Kos, but I always stop here first.
Can you help me give up ciggies, too?
Posted over at http://blogs.washingtonpost.co….._res.html, to John Harris, National Political Editor, by “Karl Rove”:
John,
You really need to take down this part of the website soon. It will just be more and more embarrassment to all of us if readers keep making comments like the ones above.
It is particularly bothersome that these readers are not only criticizing you but hinting at our cozy deal.
You were not supposed to do it this way. Maybe I was a little distracted by my pre-indictment packing of my office files, but I thought I could trust you to do this quietly.
It looks like the trouble is that you hired Deborah and she made it all public in her Sunday column. If she keeps this up, you’ll have to dismiss her after you dismiss Dan. We can’t have this kind of public exposure of our conversations. You people are getting to be as bad as the people at TIME who blab all over the office about my conversations with them. But you and Deborah went a step further and put it all on your website. Don’t you understand that when I go on super double-secret background, you are NOT SUPPOSED TO WRITE ABOUT IT.
By the way are Froomkin’s resignation papers on your desk yet? That was supposed to have occurred already.
Karl
Posted by: Karl Rove | Dec 13, 2005 11:59:53 AM
AOL
Fitz!